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FILM REAL | Independence Day vs Signs · The Recess Bell

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  Speaker 1: This production is brought to you by the Recess Bell
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  Speaker 1: All right, Hi everybody, this is Film Reel right here
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  Speaker 1: on the Recess Bell Network. My name is Justin and
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  Speaker 1: joining me on today's program is my good pal Jonathan.
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  Speaker 1: How's it going, John?
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  Speaker 2: What's going? How are you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm great, I'm wonderful. I met Jonathan probably,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe like a year or so ago
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  Speaker 1: because of his girlfriend Jackie, who's like a fantastic bowler.
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  Speaker 1: And now I've joined John's bowling league and sorted to
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  Speaker 1: get to know Jonathan here and there. But I don't
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  Speaker 1: know too much about Jonathan. And we got to introduce
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  Speaker 1: the audience of the film Reel to Jonathan. So I
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  Speaker 1: got some questions for you. First of all, do you
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  Speaker 1: go by Jonathan or John? Johnny?
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  Speaker 2: You?
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  Speaker 1: What do you normally go by Jonathan?
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  Speaker 2: Right, Jonathan or a lot of times? I just introduced
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  Speaker 2: myself as John. But Jonathan's fine, John's fine.
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  Speaker 1: We're going with Jonathan, all right. So Jonathan, we got
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  Speaker 1: to know about your childhood quickly quickly when you were
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  Speaker 1: growing up. All time favorite cartoon as a kid where
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  Speaker 1: you're a Ninja Turtles guy or you a he man guy, Transformers,
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  Speaker 1: What was your thing?
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  Speaker 2: ThunderCats?
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  Speaker 1: ThunderCats?
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  Speaker 3: Oh it's when Wiley, Kat and Kidd are pretending to
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  Speaker 3: be the most helpful that they're dropping their pens on
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  Speaker 3: the thing while I'm talking, let's find the Megacan Dancer.
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying that too fast. Let's find the Megacan Dancer.
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  Speaker 3: Still going too fast?
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  Speaker 2: What's wrong, Lionel?
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  Speaker 3: Fuck? Here it is again?
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  Speaker 2: What's here again?
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  Speaker 3: That thing? That that mega thing?
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  Speaker 2: Want me to say?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you know I met the voice of Lionel a
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  Speaker 1: few times at local conventions, Larry Kenny. He also did
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  Speaker 1: the voice of Sonny, the Cocoa Puff mascot, and the
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  Speaker 1: voice of the operation commercial for the Operation Board. Oh yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: care a little fun fact there. Now, as far as
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  Speaker 1: video games growing up, dude, you play video games now
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  Speaker 1: at all?
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  Speaker 2: Or no? I have a PS four. I go in
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  Speaker 2: and out, like I'll play for a couple months and
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  Speaker 2: then I won't turn it on for a couple months.
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  Speaker 2: I really like the uncharted games. My buddy turned me
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  Speaker 2: on to those. Those are fun, not really like a
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  Speaker 2: sports even though I love sports to play myself. It
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  Speaker 2: was never like a big Madden guy.
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  Speaker 1: No, Oh, what about back in the day, like NBA Jam,
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  Speaker 1: NFL Blitz.
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  Speaker 2: NBA Jam. Yes, yeah, like because those are more like
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  Speaker 2: fun arcades. No, yeah, exactly, not like you're trying to
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  Speaker 2: actually run, you know, NFL offenses and defenses.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, these games have become so just overcomplicated,
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  Speaker 1: especially you know controllers. Now I sound like an old man,
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  Speaker 1: I sound like what my dad sounded like, but it's
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  Speaker 1: true because controllers now have so many buns, the R two,
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  Speaker 1: L two, L three, and then you're you have to
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  Speaker 1: know like how to actually run offense. You know, there's
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of plays in these playbooks and Maddens. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the last time I turned on a Madden game, I
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  Speaker 1: was so confused. And I'm usually playing like an NFL
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  Speaker 1: blitch where you get one hundred plays off in two
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  Speaker 1: minutes and it's just NonStop action. Then to go from
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  Speaker 1: that to the slow, monotonous, sort of realistic style of football,
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  Speaker 1: because when you break down football it can be boring
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  Speaker 1: at times, it's very slow.
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  Speaker 2: I actually was at the Jet game last week.
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  Speaker 1: Yikes, who do you want to win? Goddamn Jets?
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  Speaker 2: Normally we watched red Zone. So you're, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: like an NFL blitz. You're just seeing play after play
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  Speaker 2: after play from every game. When you're actually at the game,
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  Speaker 2: they stand around on the field for two three minutes
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  Speaker 2: at a time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the game should be it's a sixty minutes,
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  Speaker 1: sixty minute, you know time, but it goes on for
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  Speaker 1: three hours, three and a half hours, depending on penalties
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  Speaker 1: and just stupidness. Football can be extraordinarily boring. But uh,
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  Speaker 1: back back to your childhood you mentioned sports. Who are
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  Speaker 1: your teams? I feel like I always forget because you
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  Speaker 1: have different teams that you like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're the exact opposite Yankees, Rangers, Giants, Knicks.
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  Speaker 1: So what do you think was the best moment of
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  Speaker 1: your life as a fan of sports? Would it be
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  Speaker 1: one of the Well, the Rangers Stanley Cup in ninety four,
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  Speaker 1: would it be the Giants couple of Super Bowls? You
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  Speaker 1: got to see some of those.
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  Speaker 2: It's either the Rangers in ninety four or Yankees beating
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  Speaker 2: the Mets. Sorry, you son of a bitch. Well, especially
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  Speaker 2: because I was in college at that time and my
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  Speaker 2: roommate who I had just met, was from Jersey and
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  Speaker 2: he was a Met fan. So you know, we still
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  Speaker 2: have the uh, you know, we were allowed to trash
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  Speaker 2: talk to Mets still because they haven't beaten us in
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  Speaker 2: the World Series.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, they haven't. And I thought, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if the Mets did make it to the World Series
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  Speaker 1: this past year, you know, we're recording this in November
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  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four. I think if the Mets did
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  Speaker 1: face the Yankees, I think they would have won.
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  Speaker 2: I agree.
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  Speaker 1: So let's let's get down to why we're here here
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  Speaker 1: to talk about movies. I feel like every single week
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  Speaker 1: I meet up with John, I meet up with Jackie,
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  Speaker 1: and we talk about what movies we've seen in theaters,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of the times we have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things in common. I feel it feel like our
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  Speaker 1: love for certain action movies, certain genre of films, comedies
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  Speaker 1: from the nineties, we're pretty much on page. You know.
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  Speaker 1: We like our Major Pains, we like our Wayne's World,
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  Speaker 1: we like our Jim Carrey movies. But every now and
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  Speaker 1: then I think you have one of the dumbest takes ever,
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  Speaker 1: and then you think, you know, vice versa, You think
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  Speaker 1: the same exact thing with me. So let's get into
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  Speaker 1: what we eventually are going to get to, and that
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  Speaker 1: is the great debate of Independence Day. Versus signs. That's
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  Speaker 1: like the main course for this podcast for today. But
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  Speaker 1: before we get to that, let's talk about some recent
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  Speaker 1: movies that we've seen. I know you did see Heredic
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  Speaker 1: from a few weeks ago. I enjoyed the performances. I
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  Speaker 1: liked the movie. I thought it was a different type
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  Speaker 1: of horror film. It wasn't your typical slash your film.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't your typical, you know, ghosts sort of paranormal activity,
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  Speaker 1: exorcist type of movie. It was a different vibe for
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  Speaker 1: a horror movie, which is why I enjoyed it. I
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  Speaker 1: know you and Jackie felt different.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I think Hugh Grant was
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  Speaker 2: very good and like you said, it was more like
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  Speaker 2: of a mind thriller. He was, you know, trying to
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  Speaker 2: make the girls think and about what they were brought
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  Speaker 2: up in as far as their religion.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so there are Mormons that are going down to
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  Speaker 1: town or door to door, and I guess this is
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  Speaker 1: something that he's done for a while now because he
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  Speaker 1: spoiler alert, he's a psychopath that captures women, and you
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  Speaker 1: see that he's been doing this for quite some time.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, it was a different type of movie.
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  Speaker 1: But what didn't you like about it? That was like
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  Speaker 1: a slower type of movie or no.
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  Speaker 2: So I didn't like that part that you just talked
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  Speaker 2: about at the end where he has all these women
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  Speaker 2: in his basement and he kind of he was trying
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  Speaker 2: to with the girls like have them witness a miracle
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  Speaker 2: when the one older woman was supposedly what was she
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  Speaker 2: like an angel or something she was supposed to be. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and then she ate the pie and died, and then
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  Speaker 2: they figured out that she didn't come back to life,
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  Speaker 2: that he just had another woman from the basement come
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  Speaker 2: up and take her place. Like to me, that was
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  Speaker 2: a little weird. Like I said, he was great in
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  Speaker 2: the movie. And then again at the end, the one
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  Speaker 2: girl is dead and she wakes up just enough to
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  Speaker 2: kill you know, to smack him in the face with
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  Speaker 2: that with the nail with the board with the nails
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  Speaker 2: in it, and then dies it was a miracle, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: But then the other girl was out. She could have
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  Speaker 2: got out and then went back downstairs for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 2: To me, like, I just didn't like the ending. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't like that he had those women down there. It
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  Speaker 2: just seemed weird to me.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think it was a masterpiece by any stretch
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  Speaker 1: of the imagination. And I also feel like a lot
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  Speaker 1: of movies these days are lacking with their endings. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't think the ending was awful. I like
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  Speaker 1: the movie more than you, but I do feel like
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  Speaker 1: that is a trend with a lot of modern movies,
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  Speaker 1: where they don't have that satisfying ending. I'm a sucker
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  Speaker 1: for movies that have a feel good ending, like give
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  Speaker 1: me a movie like Rocky, give me a movie like
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  Speaker 1: Field of Dreams. Obviously these are completely different genres than
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  Speaker 1: something like Heretic, but I'm just talking about movies in
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  Speaker 1: that same sort of field of a Field of Dreams
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  Speaker 1: in a Rocky. A lot of these movies have these
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  Speaker 1: open ended endings where oh, well, the audience could think
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  Speaker 1: one thing, but your interpretations. Just just tell me how
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  Speaker 1: does the movie end? Because I don't want to read
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  Speaker 1: into it. I don't need to do research. I don't
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  Speaker 1: have to look up YouTube lo or videos. Just tell
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  Speaker 1: me the fucking ending to the damn movie.
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  Speaker 2: You're making the movie, so end it did the way
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  Speaker 2: that you want it to end. And if I don't
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  Speaker 2: like your ending, that's on me. But at least like
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  Speaker 2: you said, you're giving me an ending. And I think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of these movies nowadays do the open ended
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  Speaker 2: endings because they're all making sequels and that gives them
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  Speaker 2: the out to, like you want to talk about We're
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about m night shamlaw movie Trap, like
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  Speaker 2: the movie.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't actually see it, you didn't, but I'll kind
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  Speaker 1: of give a shit no.
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  Speaker 2: I like the premise to the movie, right, this guy's
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  Speaker 2: a serial killer. They set him up with this fake
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  Speaker 2: concert because they know he's gonna go there with his daughter,
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  Speaker 2: and then the whole movie's good, and then at the
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  Speaker 2: end it just turns into a shit show, like when
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  Speaker 2: you do see it, like all these different things. They
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  Speaker 2: could have ended the movie three or four different times
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  Speaker 2: and just kept it going, and then again the ending
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  Speaker 2: was open ended.
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  Speaker 1: I heard it was like a vanity project for his
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  Speaker 1: daughter because his daughter's like the singer in Oh Yes,
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  Speaker 1: Nice daughter was like the Taylor Swift in that universe
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  Speaker 1: that they're going to see in concert, and she's not
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  Speaker 1: a bad singer, but it's pretty forced.
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  Speaker 2: Like Andy and Jackie said that, it was like we
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  Speaker 2: were at we were watching a movie of a concert. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Like that was a lot of it and it's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: this isn't what we signed up for. But again, could
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  Speaker 2: have ended three or four different times and just kept going,
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  Speaker 2: and then when it finally did end, we were like,
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  Speaker 2: why why do that?
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a big issue with M. Knight Shyamalan,
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  Speaker 1: just to begin with, I think he has a lot
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  Speaker 1: of great ideas and then sometimes I think they're executed
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  Speaker 1: perfectly in something like a sixth sense or in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: something like Signs, but a lot of the times they
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  Speaker 1: fall flat, whether it's something like The Village or Lady
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  Speaker 1: in the Water. I mean, I could go on and
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  Speaker 1: on on M. Knight's follies. I think he's a director
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  Speaker 1: that a lot of people thought was going to be
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  Speaker 1: the next Spielberg. In fact, there's a Time magazine or
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  Speaker 1: maybe it was Newsweek, and it says the next Spielberg.
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  Speaker 1: It's a picture of him on it, and clearly that
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  Speaker 1: never panned out. He made bomb after bomb, and not
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  Speaker 1: just financial of flops, but just critically. He hasn't really
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  Speaker 1: made a movie where it was well received in years.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, every now and then something here in there
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  Speaker 1: that's a minor head or minorally liked, but nothing on
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  Speaker 1: the level of a Signs or a sixth CeNSE where
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  Speaker 1: it's making you know, half a billion dollars or so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like you said too, I think he has
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  Speaker 2: a good premise for most of his films, he just
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  Speaker 2: doesn't execute it properly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he needs he needs maybe help with with writing
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  Speaker 1: every now and then, you know, maybe hire a buddy
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  Speaker 1: to sit in with you and be like, is this
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  Speaker 1: something that you think works. I think that's something that
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  Speaker 1: he could definitely benefit from. But before we get to
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  Speaker 1: know more about the Independence Day and science, which we
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  Speaker 1: will get to in a bit, have you seen anything else,
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  Speaker 1: because I mentioned to you guys that I saw a
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  Speaker 1: Gladiator too, and I wasn't a fan of it. I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was fine for what it was. Again, it
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  Speaker 1: was very long, and I don't mind the long movie
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  Speaker 1: if it's good. This one dragged on a bit and
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  Speaker 1: too many throwbacks to the previous movie. And sure, you
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  Speaker 1: have to have callbacks every now and then if this
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  Speaker 1: is a continuation of the story. But when you do
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  Speaker 1: similar scenes where it makes no sense for them to
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  Speaker 1: be saying certain lines or to be doing certain things,
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  Speaker 1: and you're only doing it because the previous movie did that.
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  Speaker 1: I think that is one of my least favorite tropes
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  Speaker 1: in Hollywood. They did that in the Alien movie that
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  Speaker 1: came out earlier this year, where they're saying direct lines
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  Speaker 1: that there would be no reason for this to say
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  Speaker 1: that line. So I think Gladiator fell into that same trap.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously you're not gonna get performances. I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: equal Russell Crowe or Joaquin Phoenix in Gladiator. And then
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  Speaker 1: it was weird seeing Denzel Washington in this Gladiator Too
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  Speaker 1: movie because it took me out of the role. And
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  Speaker 1: I love Denzel Washington. I mean, who does He's one
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  Speaker 1: of the greatest actors of all time. But he's not
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  Speaker 1: putting on a voice. He's just doing Denzel. So it's
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  Speaker 1: weird seeing a movie said in you know, three hundred
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  Speaker 1: AD with a guy talking like he does in Training Day.
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  Speaker 2: I said the exact same thing to Jack, we saw
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  Speaker 2: it on well you did see we saw it on
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  Speaker 2: Wednesday and everything you just said, I said the exact
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  Speaker 2: same thing. Yeah, again, love Denzel. Half the time I'm like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: he's in the role. And then, like you said, half
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  Speaker 2: the time, I feel like I'm watching Training Day with
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  Speaker 2: his accent or how he's saying things, his mannerisms.
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  Speaker 1: They need it to hire an unknown in that role.
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  Speaker 2: But he's but he's he's doing a fellow like he's
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  Speaker 2: done please, so he should know how to act like that, Right,
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  Speaker 2: That's what I think. But exactly like you said, I'm
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  Speaker 2: I'm seeing him from training day. I thought the main guy,
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  Speaker 2: I thought he did well. Pascal Pedro, Pascal hit or miss.
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  Speaker 2: The the two emperors, I don't know where they came from.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know who they are.
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  Speaker 1: Did not like that they were weird, they were what
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  Speaker 1: they don't So the.
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  Speaker 2: Issues that we had with the movie, well, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: we did look this up and it was true. She's
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  Speaker 2: like they filled the arena with water, and I looked
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  Speaker 2: it up and they actually did do that.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think they had no shark.
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  Speaker 2: No, they're not bringing sharks exactly. But I don't think
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  Speaker 2: that Gladiator Too did anything better than the First Gladiator at.
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  Speaker 1: All, not at all.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, it decreased in things that you thought would
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  Speaker 1: advance with technology. There was from the opening scene. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they had like a ship battle. There was maybe like
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  Speaker 1: fifteen or sixteen giant ships and was trying to advance
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  Speaker 1: on a base area, and I'm looking at these ships
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  Speaker 1: and I'm thinking this looks off. Something about this doesn't
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  Speaker 1: seem realistic. And if they made this movie forty fifty
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  Speaker 1: years ago, they would have actually had real ships. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: to save money, they made it with CGI, and CGI
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  Speaker 1: could be really good. I know a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: love the Dune movie from earlier this year. The CGI
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  Speaker 1: in that is unbelievable. It's top tier. It looks realistic.
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  Speaker 1: The CGI in this movie. They had CGI monkeys and
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  Speaker 1: CGI sharks that looked like something you would see on
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  Speaker 1: the Sci Fi channel or a PS three video game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand who designed those monkeys and was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is what we think they would look like. Like
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  Speaker 2: you said in three hundred a d like Jackie said,
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  Speaker 2: they they look like a mix between a monkey and
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  Speaker 2: a dog.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like the movements of them were fine, but the way
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  Speaker 2: they actually looked were terrible.
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  Speaker 1: See, I disagree with even that because the movements. There
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  Speaker 1: was a scene where we're getting to some spoiler or
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  Speaker 1: so whatever it is, what it is. There's a scene
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  Speaker 1: in the nineteen ninety film Mortal Kombat where Luke Can
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  Speaker 1: goes to grab reptile, and he's like this CGI freakish
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  Speaker 1: character because CGI is in this infancy and he's holding
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  Speaker 1: him up and he's not really holding anything because it's CGI.
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  Speaker 1: And they did that exact same movement of the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Gladiator's son. I forget the actor's name, but he's
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  Speaker 1: holding up this monkey and he's doing that same hurky
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  Speaker 1: jerky moment where movement where he's not really holding on
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  Speaker 1: to anything, and it felt really weird. It felt like
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  Speaker 1: I was watching something from thirty years ago. And this
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  Speaker 1: movie has an extreme budget. This is a three hundred
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  Speaker 1: million dollar picture. It's making money, but it has to
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  Speaker 1: make I read it has to make over seven hundred
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: million dollars to make profit, because if the budgets three
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: hundred million dollars, you still have to pay the theaters
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: for actually having the theaters for actually having the movie
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: rather and then to advertise for commercials and posters and
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: you know, advertisements on YouTube and Instagram. All that costs money.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's gonna make profit. It's
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: making money, but it's not gonna make profit. But I
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: did not like the CGI. It was a little too long.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: The action sequences were fine, and it did have I guess,
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: a satisfying ending in the sense that it had a
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: happy ending, which I was complaining about with a lot
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: of other movies. But it's just an unnecessary movie. Why
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: are we making this?
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: I agree? And like I said, it didn't do anything
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: better than the first one. I think the fight scenes
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: in the first one we were longer and better, Like
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: there were a lot of ones here in this movie
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: that were kind of short and quick and done. One
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: thing Jackie said is like, well, why did everybody just
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: follow him right away? Like they didn't know he was
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Maximus's son right away? They followed Maximus in the first
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: one because of who he was the general one, I guess.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Because he was a good fighter, because he fought monkeys
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: in one scene.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: I guess. But like I said, you know, I think
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: you gave it a I think you said a six
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: point two. I think I said, like a six point five.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, again, which is weird plot holes and coincidences. It's like, Okay,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: this guy get captured and he's the only one that
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: that's captured, and he just so happens to be, you know,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: the son of this guy and set up in this
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: one camp in prison where you know his old armor is.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: It's like, come on, this is comic book stuff where
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: oh here's his armor. It's like, oh, this is Batman's
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: old armor. Here's you know, Russell Crow's old armor. So
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: and here weird movie.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing when Maximus died in the first one
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: and commonists, right, Lucius would have been the emperor. Yeah,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: why did she send him away?
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: And I couldn't tell you?
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: And where did he go that? She just lost him?
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Like just go away and that's it, you know, like
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: again talk about plot holes.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: It not look for him at all.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like you didn't, like I understand because he was
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: a child, but if he's supposed to be the emperor,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: then he should have been the emperor. Yeah, Like but no,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: you just send them away because people are gonna try
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: and kill him. I guess.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: But who who's going to kill him?
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know. And then and then Denzel just again spoilers,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: but just works his way right up and then comes well,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: first of all, he made the monkey the first whatever,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: which was hilarious, and then Denzel and then Denzel is like, okay,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: now a member, Like that's it.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, you think there'd be more voting and democracy that
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: would need to be happening. Who knows. I think this
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: is one of those movies. In ten fifteen years, you're
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: gonna go they made a Gladiator too, Like, you're not
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: even gonna remember that they made this movie. That's how
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: I feel with the Blade Runner movie. They made a
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Blade Runner sequel like five or six years ago, maybe
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: it was ten years ago. At this point, I don't
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: even remember being a thing. And that's Ridley Scott. Another
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Ridley Scott movie that they're bringing back, although I don't
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: think he directed the most recent Blade Runner. But it's
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: hard to bring back characters, even though no characters really
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: being brought back, but franchises twenty thirty years, especially comedies.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Comedies you cannot bring back. We've seen that Dumb and
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Dumber is horrendous, but action movies as well. Your Die
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Archer Indiana Jones is some things are just better left
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: off in the past, and to have that legacy tarnish
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: is unfortunate because now people when they do think of Gladiator,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: some of them will be like, well, there's Gladiator too,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: and it just sort of ruins what the legacy of
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: that original Gladiator is. Have you guys seen anything else.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: You didn't see The Wicked. You didn't want to see
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the Wicked.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: No, I saw a wicket on Broadway and you Yeah.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: So growing up, one of my favorite movies of all
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: time is The Wizard of Oz. You are one pathetic loser,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: and Wicked came out and everybody was so about it,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: and I was younger at that point, so I waited
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: for a little while until ticket prices went down. So
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: I think all the hype for like four or five
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: years just made it. It couldn't it couldn't rise to
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: the level that everybody made it. So when I saw it,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I didn't like it. Jaggie doesn't want to see it
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: because it's two hours and forty minutes and it's only
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: the first part, the only first act, So no, not
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: going to see that. What do we see? We saw
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: a Real Pain, which was the Kieran Culkin and Jesse
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Eisenberg movie. It was okay, it was nothing special.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: It's not being advertised at all. I don't think I've
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: seen a single commercial. Maybe you've seen a YouTube ad
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: here and there, but like if I'm watching football, I'm
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: seeing no edguab no, no.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I saw it because he was on
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Kelly Clarkson. I think I saw it on Instagram or
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: something like that that he was talking about it because
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: he directed it and wrote it. I thought Kieran colchinb
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: was great in the movie. Actually, what else did we seriously?
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: He was in Signs.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the kid. Yeah, no one of the cults,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: the other one or third Brother, Yeah, but no. I
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: thought he did a he did a great job in that.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: But again, I think that movie was only an hour
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: and a half and it felt like it was about
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: two and a half.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's never good.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: And like you said, I don't mind, I'll watch a
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: three hour movie. I just don't want to feel like
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: it's three hours.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: A big issue is with me as I get older
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and these drinks get larger at these theaters, and now
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: they're serving alcohol at these theaters. They need to have
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: like a five minute intermission if your movie is two
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: hours and forty minutes. I understand why they don't do
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: it because you know, if you take a break, then
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: you can't have as many showtimes. And if extend the
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: time for this, then you can't make as much money.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: But it would benefit I think a lot of people
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: if they knew that there would be a time for
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: them to go re up snacks, because every now and then,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: if I do get a snack at the movie theater,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: it's done before the previous we're even done. And then
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the bedroom. If I'm getting a large or even a small,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the small sodas at the theaters are gigantic. If I
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: get some beers at the movie theater, it's done, Mike
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: bladder does not exist at all. So I think, you know,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: a nice little pause button or like some intermission I
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: think would be something that I think if they pulled moviegoers,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: but they would want to be done to actually increase
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: people to go to the theaters. Because theaters, unless it's
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: a big movie like a Wicket or a Marvel movie,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: theaters are not doing too hot, no, So I think
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: maybe let's start like asking people what they actually want
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: with their theaters. Now, I rented or rented, I gave
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: you guys this movie. I'm holding right here, Briggs be Bear.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I said, this is one of my favorite movies of
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: all time. I lent it to you and your girlfriend Jackie,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: and you both didn't like it. Why what are you
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: watching the same.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Movie as me?
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: We were we were. I don't know. It was very strange.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Uh strange is great again, it could be. I don't
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: even know how to describe it, honestly. I mean it
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: was sad, you know, with what happened to him, and
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: then he's a twenty five year old guy and doesn't
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: know anything.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So basically the premise from what I remember is
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: he was sort of kidnapped as a kid and his
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: dad was creating this fake TV show called Briggsby Bear
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: and he held him like captive in this weird desert
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: basement sort of layer. And then eventually, like within ten
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: minutes of the movie, he's sort of broken free from
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: this prison layer and he gets to reunite with his
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: real parents and he sort of forms this relationship with
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: his sister. But then they want to make a movie.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: They want to make the briggs be Bear, which is
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: this character that his dad made up into a feature
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: length film. So's he won a very bizarre movie. For sure.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I understand why people wouldn't like it, but I love
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: that weirdness factor. I love Kyle Mooney, the guy who
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: wrote and a start in the movie. I think he's
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: plays that sincere sort of likable Goofball who is a
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: fish out of water. I think he played that really well.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: So I love the practical effects. You know, they're making
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: like an old fashioned eighties science fiction Teddy Ruckspin which
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: was like an eighties bear thing, which I'm sure you knew.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Jonathan mixed with I guess Barney the Dinosaur in to
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: a feature length film. So it hit a lot of
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: notes and beats of stuff that I enjoy. So I
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: like the movie. You guys didn't again even anything. Jackie
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: hated it apparently.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Again, I you know, it was strange, it was weird.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: There were certain parts that I liked that I laughed at. Again,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: his story is sad.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Would I watch it again?
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: No?
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: But whatever, Like we had discussed that it reminded you.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: We had brought up Blast in the Past with Brendan Fraser,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: and uh, I like you said the name right. Yeah,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: well I watched your your documentary so because I had
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: been saying it wrong.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Frazier, Yah, it's Fraser.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: But again that one, that one had a little more
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: comedy to it.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: That was a less insane movie. This is yeah, breaksby
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Bears is a trippy type of film. Yeah, yeah, the
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: past is more Hollywood, and I like the Blast from
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: the Past. I like both of the movies. But well,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: there goes your Christmas gift. I guess I have to
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: buy a new Christmas gift for you. Guys. I got
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: to the whole I got you the special edition.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Actually for Christmas, did you get us the whole Brigsby
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Bear collection?
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Yes? Unfortunately, I'll have to return that with this shirt
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: But I was also surprised that how many people were
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: in that movie. Yeah, Mark Hamill, look at us. Claire Danes,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: it's a psychologist, yeah, Claire Day Yeah, and this Andy
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Samberg was in it.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Well he's got the SNL connection, so I'm
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: sure he has for some favors here and there, even
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: like the kid actors, the the guy, the girl who
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: played his sister. I thought it was really good.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: The guy Spence that helped him with the Hispanic guy.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was good and he liked the movie.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: And I think this came up because we were talking
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: about Y two K.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's the new movie from Kyle Mooney, the
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: same guy who wrote and directed Briggsby Bear. As a
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: new movie Why two K coming out, which is by
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: the time this gets released, probably will be out that week.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I think it comes out next week, so probably the
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: day this gets released, it should be out. So I'm
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: excited for that. I know you guys thought it looked terrible.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Now you're definitely not gonna see because I was like, listen,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: give breaks me bear a chance. Then you want to
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: see Y QWK. You hated this, there's no chance you're
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: going to see Y two K.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Like you said, we do get we
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: are on the same level on certain movies and then
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: other things we just have different taste on. You know,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: that's why people make movies, because there's plenty of people
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: who like, you know, certain things, and other people that
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: don't like them.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: So but at least I can respect your opinions. There
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: are some people that you just hear them talk and
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: what they're saying is is not even though I don't
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: agree with it, it's also just dumb. Yeah, at least
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I can respect. Like, you don't like this, I hate
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: you for it, but I respect your opinion on the matter.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Again, I just not my type of movie, that's all. Like.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I watched it again. There were certain parts that I like,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: just overall, I was like Okay, yeah, you know it
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: is what it is.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go on the record and say that movie
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: brings me. Bear and Creed are my two favorite movies
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: of the last fifteen years. Okay, did you like Creed? Yes,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I create a lot, Yes, I love The Rocky Series
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: is actually my favorite film series of all time. I
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: think they're all great, even shitty Rocky five. I will
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: watch if Rocky five's on TV. I'm not not watching it.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I gotta watch that street fight at the end. But
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the guy says, touch me and I'll sue you then
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: punches him. He's assuming for what. I gotta watch all
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: of these movies whenever they're on And we're recording this
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving weekend, and I always think of the Rocky Series
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: and Thanksgiving. They sort of go hand in hand. A
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: lot of the movies came out around that time. A
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: lot of them are set in the fall season. But
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: the reason why we're here, Jonathan, we're gonna get to
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the main event, Independence Day and Signs. These are two
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: movies we were talking about. I don't even know where
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: it came up from. We just brought it up randomly
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: at the bowling alley. I'm sure We had some beers
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: in US and we were just discussing these two movies,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: and you were on the side of Independence Day being
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: the superior movie, and I was on the side of
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Signs being the superior movie. Now, let's just break down
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit of the facts. Independence Day grossed almost well.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: It grossed eight hundred million dollars over that eight hundred
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: and seventeen million dollars worldwide on a seventy five million
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: dollar budget, which just do the math. Let's just say
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: hypothetically it cost with advertisements and all that stuff, two
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: hundred million dollars, which it probably didn't probably a hundred
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: fifty million dollars. It grossed. It made a ton of profit.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: It mad It made twentieth Century Fox a boatload of money,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: which is shocking that they didn't do more things with
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the property. Now, they had an action figure line, which
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: was not really advertised too well. I would have thought
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: they would have tried to do a cartoon show. I
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: would have thought they would have tried to do more
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: video games. They did a shitty PS One game, but
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I mean an alien invasion movie that's just asking for
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: more content. It needed, I think to be because you
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: think it could be like the next Star Wars, which
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: had that giant juggernaut of multimedia surrounding it. Independence they
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: sort of just was, and then twenty years later, when
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: no one asked, they made a shitty sequel which better
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: not have liked.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I don't even think I saw it.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Oh that's bad. That's a bad one, you know what
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I think that, like we've been talking about, I don't
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: want to see a sequel to a movie that I
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: love twenty years later. Now, yes, I did go see
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Gladiator two, but I kind of wish I didn't. Like
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: you said, just leave it yep.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: At the original at least with Gladiator too, at least
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: you have Ridley Scott, who, although he's aged and he's
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: not what he once was, he's still a competent director.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Roland Emrick, who directed Independence Day. I don't like him. No,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: I like The Patriot. I think that's a really fun movie.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Godzilla from nineteen ninety eight probably one of the most
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: disappointing times I've ever had in the movie theater. He
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: did a bunch of shitty like destruction movies like The
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Day After Tomorrow and ten thousand BC. He did one
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: where oh what the hell was this they had to shoot.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: It was like sort of like Armageddon, where there was
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: a meteor was crashing down to Earth. Just terrible disaster movies.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: But it made a lot of money, as did Signs,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: which had a relatively same budget, even though it came
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: out a few years later. Seventy two million dollar budget
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: didn't make nearly as much, but it made a lot
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: of money. Four hundred million dollars plus worldwide for Signs.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Two different types of movies, but similar in the sense
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: that they're both alien movies. So here's the reason why
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I think I like and I want to say this,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I like Independence Day. I'm not gonna go on the
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: record and say I don't like this movie. I've seen
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Independence Day far many more times than i've seen Signs.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Every fourth of July, I'm pretty much watching Independence Day. Signs, though,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: is a slower build of a movie, and I think
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the older I get, I like movies like this where
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: it's less as more. You don't see the alien. You
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: see you know, you hear stuff, You hear stuff on
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: the roof, and then you see, you know, his cornfield's
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: all messed up, and then you see a shadow of
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: an image and then you know, lights are in the
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: sky on the news and you're not seeing anything. It's
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: not really until you see a birthday party scene where
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: they're filming a Mexican birthday party and Joaquin Phoenix is
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: in the TV, you know, watching the TV, and he
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: flips out because you see this quick image of this alien,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: a grainy footage from far away, sort of like a
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: big foot footage of this alien, and that shocked the
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: hell out of audiences. I remember vividly the audiences in
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the theaters. I saw this one twice in theaters going
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: nuts with that scene.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: The startling footage we're about to show you was photographed
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: by a forty two year old Romero Valadaries. This video
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: was taken yesterday afternoon at his son's seventh birthday in
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: the city of Pasofundo, Brazil.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Wolve children Promenos.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: And it's less is more. It's not like Independence Day,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: where there's within the first thirty minutes there's one hundred explosions.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: The White House gets exploded. You don't really see the
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: aliens per se, but you see all the ships and
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: the CGI and all that stuff. So they're two different
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: types of movies. And I think like I said, the
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: older I get a movie like Signs is more my Alley.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, now let me ask you. This was Signs. M
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: nightshall on second movie.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: He did Unbreakable also in between then and he did
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: like a short like like an independent type movie, but
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: it was his third like big movie was.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Sixth Sense, then Unbreakable, then Signs.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I would say that that's going to be partially the
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: reason why I made so much money. I think at
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: that point he was still.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Here's still a lot hot direct. Well that's when the
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: article came out. I was talking about the Newsweek. It
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: said the next Spielberg. Obviously also having a guy like
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Mel Gibson pre anti Semitism, leaking and you know, beating
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: girlfriend getting out there. He was bankable. He was box
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: office you know, Oscar winning for a Brave Heart, The
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Patriot with actually another connection there because he was in
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: The Patriot that was directed by Roland Emmerick. But you know,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Gibson was on fire, Joaquin Phoenix up and coming act there.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: It had a lot going forward. Also, there hasn't really
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: been a UFO movie probably since Independence Day really since then.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: You know, it was a five year, six year gap
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: in between alien movies. It wasn't a saturated market, so
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: and I think it was a well received movie. Critics
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: liked it, audiences loved Signs. I think though, you know,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: if you made this movie after some of his bombs,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: obviously it wouldn't have made four hundred million dollars.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's what I was saying. As far as
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: that goes, you're one hundred percent right that it's definitely
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: they're not the same type of movie. Yes, they both
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: have to do with aliens, but Independence Day is an
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: action film, definitely more comedy in there. There's really no
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: comedy and Signs Signs, like you said, is just a
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: slow build. I don't know. My thing with Signs is,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: first of all, I don't see mel Gibson as a
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: as a priest, right, which he was. Then he lost
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: his faith because of his wife getting hit by the car.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Now what is that? What is her getting hit by
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: the car? Now she's basically giving him the recipe to
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: defeat the aliens? Like, how does that She got hit
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: by the car and saw what was gonna happen.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Listen, I'm not a religious man, Jonathan, but there are
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: miracles in this world, right and I'm sure there are
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: lots of plot holes in Signs. I'm not gonna say
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: that it makes sense that an alien species that can
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: travel hundreds of millions of light years would want to
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: travel to a planet filled with eighty percent water When
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: they're one achilles heel is water. What happens if it rains?
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they got to stay inside.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: They have to stay they have to bring umbrellas with them.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: So does that make sense? Of course not nope. But
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: you know, let's think of the stupidness of Independence Day,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: some of the goofy comic book, you know, characters that
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: we have the typical over the top Jewish father, Oh,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: my David, you don't be dead without my David. That character?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: What about the over the top gay guy, Oh, I
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: gotta call my mother, Like these are these are not
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: human beings. There's nobody that's like these. So maybe maybe
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: there are, but they are there. It's just it's so
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: over the top where Signs is so grounded it is.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: You know, I thought Gibson was fantastic. I thought I
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: thought he could play a priest for sure, And I
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: think his performances is a grounded performance where if you're
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: getting attacked by aliens. Are you gonna have the ability
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to be like, oh, you better not shoot that green
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: shit at me. It's like, what did he have a
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: writer with him in the back of the spaceship, like
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: say this one liner? When you know they shoot green
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: shit at you, you're just gonna be like, ah, fuck Eleen,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Like you're not gonna be thinking like that. Again, different
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: types of movies. That is a summer popcorn box office
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: in line with the Marvel movies of recent years where
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: they're doing some of those corny things. But again, I'm
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: not gonna I hate the disparage Independence because I love
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: the movie.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: I love it well and like you just said, you
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: watch it pretty much every year, every fourth here's my thing.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: If I'm flipping channels and Independence Days on, I'm gonna
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: watch it. Yeah, if Signs is on, I'm gonna go
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: buy it. That's how I know that I like Independence
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Day better. And again it's because again it's an action movie.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Like you said, it's over the top. It's something that
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: you can watch over and over again because it's entertaining. Yes,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: like Signs, you gotta be like you gotta be in
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: the right movie invested it? Yeah, exactly.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: You want to watch scigence at You don't want to
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: watch Signs in a bright sunny day. You want to
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: watch it, you know, nighttime, creepy, yep, in the right atmosphere.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: But I don't agree with the statement because I've only
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: seen Field of Dreams maybe five or six times, and
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: it is in my top ten favorite movies of all time, Okay,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: and it's just a movie that it's It's not that
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: it's a hard watch, but it's just a different type
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: of movie. Like I could throw on Dumb and Dumber anytime.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I could watch Dumb and Dumber five times in one year.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I can't watch Shindler's List more than you know. I've
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: only watched that two or three times in my lifetime.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: They're just different types of movies. Where Independence Day you
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: can have a few beers, relax, goof off with your friends.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know how once you could do that with
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: something like Signs, although it is it is like an
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: introduction horror movie because it's got horror elements to it,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: it's got you know, great practical special effects. This is
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: both of these movies. I do want to bring up
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: their time capsules in the sense that Independence Day is
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: pretty much the last big budget movie to really use
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: practical effects in the sense that they use a lot
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: of miniatures. If this was created, if that was created
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: three or four years later, none of those things would
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: look good today because it would all be CGI. Like
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: that White House getting blown up that was a miniature
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: of the White House. If that was created in two
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: thousand and three, two thousand and four, all that stuff
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: would be CGI and it would age poorly, because CGI
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: ages really badly. So it's cool that both of these movies,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: you know, the the Alien and Signs that's an all
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: you know, a practical effect. That's a guy in a suit.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I think if that was made five or six years later,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: that would all be CGI and it would not age well.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: So I like the idea that both of these movies
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: are doing things that I enjoy with my movie making, experience,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: practical effects, miniatures, all that stuff. And they're two different
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: types of movies. If I'm grading them, I would say
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Signs is a better movie. It's a better movie. I
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: think it's a better active movie. It's definitely a better
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: shot movie. It's got a good film score to it.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Although I do like the music and independence say I
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: think that is a good iconic score. When the president's
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: giving this speech and the music's hitting in the background,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: that's good stuff. We're going to live on.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: We're going to survive. Today, we celebrate our Independence Day.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: But I think as far as like filmmaking goes to
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: be like a snooty film critics sort of guy, I
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: think Signs blows Independence Day out of the water.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, never made a movie. I don't really know how
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: they make movies. Again, I think Independence Day is a
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: better movie all around.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: All around, all around. That's ridiculous, all around.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Like you said, the acting.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Mel Gibson, acting circles around Jeff Goldblum and Will Smith
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and I love well and Jeff Goldblum.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: But again, because it's a more serious movie.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you said all around. Well, the acting is
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: better in Signs. You know, it's better in science. The
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: connection between the kids, the kids.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: The kids were good. The kids were good.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I did like the kid Signs and then the kids
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: and then dependence. They're they're like full house actors. My
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: daddy did this, my dad, oh my mommy died. We'll
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: get over it.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: I do like uh, I do like Randy Quaid's character.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: He's amazing.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: He's great.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Oh it's amazing.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Again different, it's hard because again, like you said,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: they're completely different types of movies. You know, I just
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: don't know. Signs for me just didn't do it like
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: you said. But you even you even brought up the
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: plot holes in there. You know, I didn't even have
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: to make those points for you. Like and again, we
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: know in Independence Day they're coming to take over the world.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: They're coming to take over Earth. Yeah, what are they doing?
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: And uh, I mean they're like I'm.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Assuming they're there to take over Earth as well.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: You would think, but they're only like going to like
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: people's like houses, like individually too. I think what they
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: wanted to take them back to maybe probum or or
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: do whatever with them. Like in Independence Day they were
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: trying to blow up Earth like they were trying to
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: kill everybody, right, and Signs they're at his house, they're
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: wherever else they were.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: But again, we don't know what else is going on
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: in the world. See that That's the beauty. That's why
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I like science because it's just it's basically it takes
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: place all in that one farmhouse. He goes to m
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Night Shyamalan's house, because of course he has to shoehorn
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: himself in every single movie he directs. But it's the
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: story of how one family would react to an alien invasion.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I find that to be a fascinating story instead of this.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: There's so many characters, And in the Pennance Day, you
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: have Randy Quaid and his kids. You have the President,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: you have the President's daughter, you have Jeff Goldblum, you
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: have Jeff Goldblum's dad, you have the gay guy, you
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: have the whole military aspect, you have you know, yeah,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Will Smith, you have Will Smith's friend. There's there's like
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen different characters, and they all are memorable, but
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: there's a lot out there that you cenerally develop any
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: of their characters. Yeah, they have an arc here and there,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: but it's not developed where you get their relationship. You
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: see the relationship, you see you know the way that
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: mel Gibson has changed once his wife died. Because you're
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: only focused on that family, I think you get a
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: better opportunity to watch that character and watch those characters grow.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I agree with that, yeah, definitely.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: But I will say Signs does not have the greatest
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: character in motion picture history, and that is Boomer the Dog,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: because when Boomer the Dog in Independence Day escapes that
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: explosion and he jumps out of the explosion into that
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: little crevice that how do they survive that? All you
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: have to do is shut a door and then you're
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: able to survive a nuclear explosion of sorts. I don't
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: know how the dog knew to do that, but it
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: jumped like Tom Cruise. And there's no Boomer the Dog
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: in Signs. So maybe if Boomer was in Signs.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: I think Tom Cruise played Boomer.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, all right, I think we got to
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: get down to it. Let's just let's just get down
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: to it. I still stand by there. There's gonna be
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: no convincing that Signs is the superior movie. Actually, you
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: know what, has has your girlfriend Jackie seen both of
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: these movies?
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: She probably has, right, I know for a fact she's
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: seen Signs.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: What did she think of Signs? She likes Signs, She's
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: seen an Independence Day.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Okay, listen, we talk. We like, I
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: bring up movies that I would think that there was
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: no way she went throughout life without seeing Gladiator being
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: one of them. We just watched that last month. She's
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: like I had never seen Gladiator. I'm excuse me.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's insane.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like, because she watches the same movies over and
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: over again, Wage Worlds or Bohemian Rhapsody, Lemize she watches
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: seven thousand times, so I don't know if she's seen
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Independence Day.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: To be honest with you, how about she is the
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: deciding factor. That's because I'm not changing my stance. It
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem like you're changing your stands.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: No, I'm definitely not changing my stand So we need Jackie.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: When's the last time you watched Signs?
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Though?
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: I just watched it with her. Uh, she fell asleep,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: but yeah, she I mean she's seen it more than
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: I have. I don't remember. I didn't remember it, so
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: that's why I watched it maybe two weeks ago when
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: we had the discussion. Yeah, and I need to watch
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: some of his other ones again because I told her
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: I liked The Village Terrible and that's what she said.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: And now I don't remember it because now I have
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: to watch it again.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: He made a movie called The Visit with two kids
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: that go to visit their grandparents, and that was sort
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: of his resurgence. It was a smaller film It was
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: after he made these big budget like Avatar and he
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: made that movie with Will Smith that were like three
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: hundred million dollar movies. This was more of a smaller
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: film of return to his horror roots. And I remember
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: liking the Visit. I think that's the name of the movie.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was too well received, but I
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: remember me and my ex thoroughly enjoying that movie. Then
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: he did the Split movie. Did you see Split? Yes,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: that was pretty good, and then they did The Glass
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: which which was not as good visually, it was really
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: impressive with a lot of different lighting stuff going on
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: with that movie. But he's made so many weird choices
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: with his movies. He made The Knock in the Cabin
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: or Cabin in the Woods with Dave Bautista, which was
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: like a gay couple with their kids and they had
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: to make a sacrifice for one of the parents to
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: It was really really strange movie. And then his daughter's
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: now directing movies. He directs directed a terrible movie, was terrible.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: What was that one with What's your Face? Dakota Fans?
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Oh no, we didn't watch that The Watchers, right, the
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: one of the woods. Yeah, yeah, we didn't even watch.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: It awful awful. So his his family, I guess isn't
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: talented because the daughter not too good of a singer,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: other daughter terrible director, and he's just coasting. Buy But uh,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: all right, Jonathan, we'll have to have you back then.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: All right. Yeah, so I'll make sure that Jackie watches
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Independence Day and then.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: We need the final vote. Jackie will decide which is
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: the superior.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: And now you said the visit was a m Night night.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I liked it. Again. Obviously, it has the m
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Night tropes that you you know, used to do with
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: the crazy twist and turns and whatnot. But I enjoyed it.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: I thought it was fine. How'd you think he did
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: on the podcast? I thought you started off a bit slow,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: a little nervous maybea first, but then as soon as
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: like we got into it, I thought you brought the energy.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, listen, I, like you said, we might not
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: have the same opinion, but I have my basis for
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: it and my reasoning. Yeah, Matta started off a little slow.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to, you know, jump well on top
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: of you or you talk over you. So just first
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: time on a podcast, so just trying to learn the.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Ropes I thought you did fantastic.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: All right, I appreciate it.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: You know, I wanted to bring up watually one thing,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: back to Independence State. I just like, I hate bashing
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: the movie because so I'm gonna give it some praise.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I remember seeing that that one in theaters as well
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: with my grandma and my cousin, and there was a
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: scene with an autopsy. It's like they finally get the alien.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: I think Will Smith like punches the alien Welcome to Earth,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: punches it in the face. By the way, listen to
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Opie and Anthony with Patris O'Neil. He breaks down Independence Day.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: It's like the funniest radio of all time. It's got
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: to be somewhere on YouTube. But I remember seeing this
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: movie in theaters and that autopsy scene and they cut
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: the alien open and then there's like this jump scare.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: There's this loud sound and I remember vividly the whole
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: audience screaming, And it's probably the first instance where I
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: can remember a jump scare with an audience.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Is that when they open him and then the little
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: head is in.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: There, yeah yeah, yeah, and then he starts do you
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: know who?
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Do you know who the doctor is?
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Brett Spiner, the guy from.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Stark Start Data.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: The only reason I know that is because my dad
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: was a treky. The only reason I know that.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen Brett Spiner at quite a few conventions. Okay,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: he's uh, he's aged. Yeah, and then they tried to
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: make him data because they brought back like Picard. He's
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: supposed to be like Agels, but he's like you know, old.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: So it's always rough when they try and bring back characters. Ye,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: all right, but we're gonna bring you back, Jonathan. Thank
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: you for joining me on this addition of Film Real.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: We'll be back, and I promise I say this every week.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I say I'm going to finish the Transformers podcast. I
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: did two parts of the Transformers we're supposed to do
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: part three. I haven't done it in three months, so
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: maybe they'll be a bit. Maybe they'll just continuously never
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: finish Transformers. But thank you all for listening doing that
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: on all the movies. Yeah, I did all the movies
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: to talk about my love for the franchisees and whatnot.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Did you eventually see Transformers one?
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: No we didn't.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I'm supposed to review.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: But I am a big fan of the Transformer movies, of.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: The shitty Michael Bay ones. They're terrible. Okay, we'll have
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: to get you back on all right. We'll discuss maybe
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Transformers next time. And Jackie's vote on Independence Day and signs.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Thank you all for listening so long.