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EXCLUSIVE: Chantel Christie's Side - Basketball Wives · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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  Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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  Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey
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  Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
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  Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in
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  Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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  Speaker 1: scripted as well.
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  Speaker 2: Chantell Crisy Day, thanks for coming.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 4: Chan. Tell Christy, let's have a real conversation.
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  Speaker 3: That's okay, That's what I came for. Okay, please come on.
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  Speaker 3: But I'd rather be in one central place than to
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  Speaker 3: try to fight strangers.
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  Speaker 5: Tell Christy, yes, yes, yes, how are you?
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  Speaker 3: All things considered, I'm okay, I'm doing good.
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  Speaker 2: Well. First of all, you're beautiful. You are a gorgeous woman.
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  Speaker 2: You really are.
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  Speaker 4: I do want to start by saying this, thank you
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  Speaker 4: so much for reaching out to me.
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  Speaker 2: It was unexpected. I open up my d M and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like.
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  Speaker 6: You weren't expected it, Christy, and then I was shocked
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  Speaker 6: in a good way.
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  Speaker 4: But what also showed me was look I have created
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  Speaker 4: this safe space for people like you to feel comfortable
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  Speaker 4: have being a conversation when they are going through something
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  Speaker 4: as tumultuous my mental the gravity in which you're going
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  Speaker 4: through things. I created this platform for that. So I
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  Speaker 4: just want to stop by saying thank you for what
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  Speaker 4: you got to me. Yes, I really do appreciate.
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  Speaker 3: That, absolutely. I mean, I feel like I've heard a
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  Speaker 3: lot of different think pieces and opinions on my situation
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  Speaker 3: and what has been showed on TV. And I watched
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  Speaker 3: you and Dustin's Full Thing at what hour and whatever long,
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  Speaker 3: and even though, like I told you, there were things
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  Speaker 3: in there that I may not agree with or that
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  Speaker 3: I would like to defend myself on, it was done
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  Speaker 3: in a very tasteful way, and I didn't feel attacked,
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  Speaker 3: And I felt like, Okay, this is You're a producer,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And so I feel like
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  Speaker 3: explaining to you the events that led up to this scenario,
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  Speaker 3: maybe you can better understand, and even if you don't
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  Speaker 3: agree with the way that I handled it, you can
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  Speaker 3: you can kind of gauge like, Okay, now, I know
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  Speaker 3: now that you mentioned that. But because the viewers don't
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  Speaker 3: get to see all of the ins and outs and
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  Speaker 3: the you know what I'm saying, Like the things that
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  Speaker 3: are cut, the things that never see the life of day.
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  Speaker 3: It's very hard to understand, like why would you talk
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  Speaker 3: to her like that? Why would you do that? Why
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  Speaker 3: would you so? Like I said, even if if you
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  Speaker 3: walk away from here today feeling like bro, you still
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't have did that. I'm okay with that, Like I
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  Speaker 3: understand that, But I do want it to be somewhere
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  Speaker 3: on wax my side of the story. If I never
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  Speaker 3: do anything else in entertainment, if I never go back
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  Speaker 3: to basketball lives, whatever happens, I want to know that
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  Speaker 3: there's that it lives in history somewhere my side of things.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I received that.
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  Speaker 4: I received that, and I seriously just cannot thank you
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  Speaker 4: enough for sitting down because I know everybody wants to
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  Speaker 4: talk to you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm assuming a lot of people reach out to you.
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  Speaker 3: A lot TMC, Shape Room, any new site that you
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  Speaker 3: can think of, reached out and the majority of them
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  Speaker 3: they wanted me to be in LA They wanted me
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  Speaker 3: to come out there, and I told them, you know,
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  Speaker 3: that's not where I'm based anymore. Like when this show
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  Speaker 3: was done, filming, I moved away, and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I wash my hands of it. You know. So when
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  Speaker 3: I reached out to you and you said, listen, if
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  Speaker 3: I can, if I can situate this, I can be there.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, now see that's journalism to me,
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  Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying, that's like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 3: he's serious about the story. And it didn't give like
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to be messy. It's just more so I
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  Speaker 3: want to get to the bottom of things, like what's tea?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: That was funny.
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  Speaker 2: And so I'm like, where you live.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, I so call my.
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  Speaker 2: Producer here like talking.
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  Speaker 4: And I said to myself, God is in this conversation.
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  Speaker 2: And I do want you to know that because for me,
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  Speaker 2: I did not seek you out.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and.
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  Speaker 2: I flew in town.
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  Speaker 4: I flew my producer and I said, in order for
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  Speaker 4: me to have a conversation with her, I need to
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  Speaker 4: feel her. I need to be able to like look
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  Speaker 4: her face and face eye and the eye and I
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  Speaker 4: needed to, like I all of my guests, I want
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  Speaker 4: to feel the energy from you. What I will say
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  Speaker 4: before I get started with the questioning, you are very
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  Speaker 4: likable right now? You are.
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  Speaker 3: You got introduced to the world.
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  Speaker 4: You're very likable, your spirit. I didn't know what I
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  Speaker 4: was going to get coming into this. I didn't know
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  Speaker 4: if you were rightfully so in a different space. But
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  Speaker 4: what I want, what I want the rain drops to
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  Speaker 4: know right now, this is real. Y'all know a lot
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  Speaker 4: of y'all.
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  Speaker 2: Your energy is infectious, You're in a great mood.
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  Speaker 4: You are you, You're beautiful camera, You're stunning in person.
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  Speaker 4: You do have a light, you do you have something
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  Speaker 4: and obviously you have been a meme for the past
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  Speaker 4: couple of days. So before we get started, I do
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  Speaker 4: want to ask you, with all things considered mentally, mentally,
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  Speaker 4: how are you doing.
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  Speaker 3: I think I'm doing a lot better now than I
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  Speaker 3: was when this first dropped. And when this first happened,
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  Speaker 3: I think I was in a really dark space. And
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  Speaker 3: even though I knew that it was coming, because obviously
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  Speaker 3: I was there in Hawaii when it happened, and I
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  Speaker 3: didn't know how much they would show, but I was
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  Speaker 3: kind of bracing myself through the Green Screez and the
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  Speaker 3: interviews that I did. I answered questions that let me know, like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, this is gonna see the light of day,
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  Speaker 3: you know, what I'm saying, this is not a fight
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  Speaker 3: or whatever that they're gonna scrap. And so even though
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  Speaker 3: I tried to prepare myself, it's just different when when
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  Speaker 3: you're in it and you have millions of people just
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  Speaker 3: saying the wildest stuff. I mean, they've wished death on me.
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  Speaker 3: They tell me when they see me, they gonna curb
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  Speaker 3: stomp me on Jackie's behalf. And I'm like, you want
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  Speaker 3: to go to jail for Jackie? Like I'm trying to understand,
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  Speaker 3: Like I get how crazy this looks, right, Like it's terrible.
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  Speaker 3: It is terrible.
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't. I'm not negating that fact. But you guys
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  Speaker 3: are judging me based on how I'm handling someone that
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  Speaker 3: i've that has been in my life for thirty two years, right,
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  Speaker 3: and you guys are seeing thirty two minutes of an episode,
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  Speaker 3: and so it's very hard to carry that weight. But
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  Speaker 3: you know, I make the joke to people, I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't only inherit her neck, I also inherited her
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  Speaker 3: thick skin, not even being funny, but for real, Like
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  Speaker 3: I know that I can take this. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: have a really strong support system. I have a really
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  Speaker 3: strong village around me that is checking in on me consistently.
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  Speaker 3: When I can't pick myself up, They're there to do that,
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  Speaker 3: whether that be my husband, my sister in law, my friends, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Like I've established a really strong support group. So I'm
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  Speaker 3: just taking it day by day. You know, some days
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  Speaker 3: it's like these people are so ignorant, like I'm not
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  Speaker 3: even gonna pay it any mind or attention. And then
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  Speaker 3: other days it's like I want to argue with every
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  Speaker 3: single person, and I want to prove myself and I
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  Speaker 3: want to explain myself, and I know that I can't,
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  Speaker 3: like I can't respond to each and every one of
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  Speaker 3: these individuals. So this felt like the safest space to
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  Speaker 3: do that and then just kind of wash my hands
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  Speaker 3: of it, you know, Like what I say here today,
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  Speaker 3: this is my final statement, Like I'm not going back
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  Speaker 3: and forth with anybody because I know that this is
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  Speaker 3: my truth. I know what my intentions are and what
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  Speaker 3: they've always been, and I'm not going to let outsiders
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  Speaker 3: create this narrative that really isn't me. Like if you
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  Speaker 3: know me and you're just meeting me, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like you've been around me all of ten minutes.
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  Speaker 3: There are people that have known me my whole life
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  Speaker 3: and know, like, this is not who you are. That
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  Speaker 3: was a really bad moment in your life, and it's
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  Speaker 3: publicized for everybody to see, but this is not who
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  Speaker 3: you are. So you can't wear that for the rest
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  Speaker 3: of your life. Yeah, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: You can't and I don't want that for you at all,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm happy that.
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  Speaker 2: Look, after this conversation, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 4: They have this to watch until the end of time
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  Speaker 4: before obviously your next ventures, and we'll get to that too,
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  Speaker 4: But I want to start from the beginning. Okay, let's
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  Speaker 4: who was Chantel Christy as a little girl with the
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  Speaker 4: parents of Doug and Jackie, Like what was her childhood?
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  Speaker 3: Like everybody used to call me the poor little rich
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  Speaker 3: girl because even though like my parents had money, people
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  Speaker 3: think that I was born with a silver spoon in
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  Speaker 3: my mouth, right, and of course, like you have those
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  Speaker 3: material things, but I was the kid that wanted to
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  Speaker 3: work for it, Like I was making the family newspapers,
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  Speaker 3: I was trying to do hair, like all of the
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  Speaker 3: little hustles. That is something that I get from my mom,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Like I'm a hustler. At heart. So this
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  Speaker 3: idea that I grew up just very privileged and like
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  Speaker 3: spoiled and braddy, it couldn't be the furthest thing from
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  Speaker 3: the truth. I mean, I think that having my grandmother
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  Speaker 3: in the house for all of my life, literally like
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  Speaker 3: she passed away when I was eighteen, So for eighteen years,
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  Speaker 3: I have this incredible woman that is around, dropping all
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  Speaker 3: these gems and kind of just raising me in the
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  Speaker 3: ways that my mom Couldn't you get what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: This is Jackie's mom. She's been on the show before,
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  Speaker 3: I think in the first season her her journey with
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  Speaker 3: cancer and stuff like that was kind of chronicled a
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  Speaker 3: little bit. And so yeah, I mean, I just even
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  Speaker 3: though I didn't have maybe like a conventional or like
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  Speaker 3: a typical upbringing, because we moved around so much. Every
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  Speaker 3: time my dad got traded, we're moving, we're you know,
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  Speaker 3: we were never stationary like I am with my kids now,
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  Speaker 3: you know. And so I just I experienced a lot
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  Speaker 3: over time, just living in Canada, living in Texas, living
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  Speaker 3: in California, Like, I've had so many different experiences over
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  Speaker 3: my life that I just have a I'm just I'm
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  Speaker 3: just a different person. You know, then, I guess you
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  Speaker 3: would you would typically meet because I've had so many
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  Speaker 3: experiences and I've lived so many places, and I've met
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  Speaker 3: so many people, Like I think in that way, I'm
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  Speaker 3: I'm a little more well rounded than maybe I present myself,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like when I get upset, obviously I have
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  Speaker 3: a heart time talking and expressing myself. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: just that little girl. She still lives in me, you know,
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  Speaker 3: but I think I have just kind of buried her
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  Speaker 3: away a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: When you were a little girl growing up, your grandmother
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  Speaker 4: obviously lives there. You were saying that you know she
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  Speaker 4: pretty much was not to be worse your mom, but
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  Speaker 4: I'm assuming the mother figure you were looking for.
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  Speaker 2: You did sit on camera that Jackie was obviously.
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  Speaker 4: Chasing Doug, but obviously there was there there with her
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  Speaker 4: husband as he is. Being a basketball player. We all
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  Speaker 4: know Jackie Christie was at every game. Did you feel
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  Speaker 4: like your mother abandoned you and your siblings for her husband.
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  Speaker 3: For a long time, I did feel that way, and
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  Speaker 3: I think that now that I'm a mother and a
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  Speaker 3: wife myself, and I'm married to someone that is actually
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  Speaker 3: in that same profession, I can understand her thought process
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  Speaker 3: or where she was coming from. Like, listen, it's all
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  Speaker 3: these groupies out here. I want to be next to
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  Speaker 3: my man, right. But what I realize now as a
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  Speaker 3: mother myself, is that that's a choice. You can choose
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  Speaker 3: to go and be with your man, or you can
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  Speaker 3: choose to be with your children. And you made your choice,
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  Speaker 3: and that's okay. Like it is what it is, and
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  Speaker 3: I can't go back and change it. You can't go
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  Speaker 3: back and change it. But you also can't tell me
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  Speaker 3: that that wasn't my experience when I had these basketball games,
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  Speaker 3: when I had these school events, when I had the
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  Speaker 3: parent teacher conferences, when I got my first menstrual cycle,
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  Speaker 3: like this, my grandmother was who was there for those experiences.
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  Speaker 3: So that doesn't take away the fact that you gave
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  Speaker 3: birth to me, or that you know, we do have
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  Speaker 3: memories throughout my life, Like I'm not taking that away
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  Speaker 3: from her at all. But to try to rewrite history
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  Speaker 3: in an effort to discredit me, that's where we differ.
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  Speaker 4: There's been conversations about there seems to be so.
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  Speaker 2: Much blame.
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  Speaker 4: With your mom and there's none with your dad, and
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  Speaker 4: the two of them both made the decision that have you.
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  Speaker 4: They feel like Jackie gets all the smoke. They recognize
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  Speaker 4: that your mom may not have been a perfect parent,
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  Speaker 4: but they do feel like a lot of the smoke
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  Speaker 4: your mother gets and your father doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: Why is that?
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  Speaker 3: Because these are my experiences. I mean, you can very
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  Speaker 3: well live in the same house and everybody has a
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  Speaker 3: different experience. And I tell a lot of people like
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  Speaker 3: my dad has had the pleasure of experiencing my mom
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  Speaker 3: as a wife, me and my siblings have experienced her
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  Speaker 3: as a mother, and there is a difference there. And
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  Speaker 3: if you don't acknowledge that or you don't understand that,
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  Speaker 3: I love that for you. But as for me, it
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  Speaker 3: was different. Like I'm watching you put on this like perfect, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: Dad is on the way home, Like let me make
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  Speaker 3: sure everything's good and perfect, like I've seen it in
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  Speaker 3: real time. You get what I'm saying. And so now,
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  Speaker 3: as I said a mother and a wife myself, especially
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  Speaker 3: to someone that's in the same profession, I understand how
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  Speaker 3: busy their schedules can get. You get up, you go
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  Speaker 3: work out, you got a shooting practice, you gotta meet
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  Speaker 3: with the coach, you got it's a full day's work.
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  Speaker 3: And I get that. So when I hear people say, well,
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  Speaker 3: why doesn't he get any of the blame? Do y'all
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  Speaker 3: think that he was just sitting there and he would
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  Speaker 3: just watch her like verbally abuse me and go on
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  Speaker 3: about his day like that's not the way that it happened.
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  Speaker 3: It didn't. These instances didn't. I'm telling you, she's telling me,
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  Speaker 3: if you don't go clean your room, your dad's gonna
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  Speaker 3: kick you down the stairs. And this is clearly he's
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  Speaker 3: not here, which is why she's saying that. But I
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  Speaker 3: think that the viewers are in some ways choosing to
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  Speaker 3: be wilfully ignorant and say, well, why are you putting
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  Speaker 3: all the blame on her? I'm speaking about my negative
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  Speaker 3: experiences with her. If that's the blame, I mean, if
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  Speaker 3: the show fits, wear it by all means. But I
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  Speaker 3: didn't have the same sort of negative experiences with my
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  Speaker 3: dad that I have with my mom. And I think
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  Speaker 3: that that's a story for a lot of people out here,
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  Speaker 3: that you do have a great relationship with one parent
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  Speaker 3: and they can very well still be married. I think
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  Speaker 3: that my dad has shown over these last three decades
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  Speaker 3: that he will love her through and through. You get
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  Speaker 3: what I'm saying like I'm going to try to love
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  Speaker 3: you out of this. I'm going to try to love
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  Speaker 3: you into being a better person and all of these things.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't want to speak on their marriage. I
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  Speaker 3: think that what I did and said on the show
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  Speaker 3: in regard to their marriage was very tacky and tasteless,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that being a wife myself, like I
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  Speaker 3: don't want nobody to do that to me. So just
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  Speaker 3: because I'm upset, like girl, all right now, like you
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. But in that moment, I just
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  Speaker 3: saw red and I just felt so like you're really
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  Speaker 3: playing in my face and like now I'm just unloading
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  Speaker 3: the clip, like you know what I mean, and saying
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  Speaker 3: things that I typically wouldn't or that I know that
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  Speaker 3: I shouldn't. But here we are. Now we're both rolling
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  Speaker 3: around in a pig pen looking crazy, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying. So I don't know. I just and I
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  Speaker 3: think the tough times that I have had with my
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  Speaker 3: dad over the years, whether it was as a teenager
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  Speaker 3: or whatever, he's always apologized. He's always at the standard,
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  Speaker 3: he's always taken accountability. If there was something that he
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  Speaker 3: did wrong, he stood on that and he parented me
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  Speaker 3: in a way that I respect you, Like we may
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  Speaker 3: not have always had this perfect relationship, but I respect
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  Speaker 3: the way that you've treated me. And I tell people,
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  Speaker 3: I say, I wasn't raised for as far as my
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  Speaker 3: mom goes, I wasn't raised on respect. I was raised
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  Speaker 3: on fear. And because of that, when I believe that
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  Speaker 3: when you get to a certain age or a certain
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  Speaker 3: point in your life, that fear dissipates and then it's
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  Speaker 3: like I'm looking in your face and I'm telling you
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  Speaker 3: I'm not scared of you. And so that's what I
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  Speaker 3: think that the viewers aren't really understanding. We didn't have
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  Speaker 3: this close locked in mother daughter, Come lay down on
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  Speaker 3: your shoulder, tell you like, we didn't have that my
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  Speaker 3: whole life. We've tried, we've had those moments that you
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  Speaker 3: do see on the show from previous seasons where we're
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  Speaker 3: out and we're shopping and I got my daughter, and
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  Speaker 3: we've tried to have those moments, but we just we
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: don't have that. And that's okay.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: Well listen, I'm gonna go on a limb and say
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: that's not okay. You know what I mean, It's not
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: okay because one thing I even said, my recap was
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: and we'll get to the incident and later. But one
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: thing I did say was I believe your experience, and
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: I'm not here. I wasn't there on the zoom to
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: negate your experience, and in person, I'm not not there
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: to negate your experience.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: I was blessed as a black person to have both
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: parents in the household. I was the quintessential mother's boy
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: before she passed away. And I've been honest with my
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: brain drops about me and my father were not close
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: growing up. I was scared of him. He put fear
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: in me, and a lot of that had to do
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: with the fact that just how he was raised.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: And we'll get through that a second too. So I
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: disagree with you.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's okay, and I think it is
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: okay though to talk about it. And I do think
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: it's okay to listen. Just because it's the minority to
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: say things about your childhood experience that you know to
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: be true doesn't mean it's not your experience. Yes, the
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: overwhelming population of the black household that we both grew
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: up in.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: You don't go against your parents, Yes, but I know
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: what it's like to adore one parent, and I know
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: what like as a child to feel like this person
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: doesn't like me. You love me, but I don't feel
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: like you like me. You said something earlier that I
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: want to go back on. You talked about your mother
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: being verbally abusive. What did that look like for you.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: As a child.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: I think that I don't know. I think expressing the
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: things that she said to a lot of people, it
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: would come off as like that was a typical black household,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Like your mom put fear in your hearts, she talked
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: down to you. She But for me, that wasn't the
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: type of parenting that I needed, right. And you, I've
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: learned through being a mother myself that you have to
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: kind of meet your kids where they are, and you
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: have to handle them differently. And so I think that maybe,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: and this is where I give her grace, maybe you
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: didn't know how to be a parent right. Maybe you
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: didn't understand how to be a mother, how to talk
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: to your kids, how to problem solved and be kind
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: and gentle and all of those things. I can give
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: you grace, but you can't tell me that I didn't
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: experience what I experienced. Right, And so that's where the
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: rub comes in, because it's like, you want to rewrite
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: history and tell me I didn't do that. I gave
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: you everything. I gave you the best life you did.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: You could provide all of the material things. He made
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: millions of dollars and you could provide all of the things.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: That doesn't take away from the fact that I felt
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: like you was talking to me really crazy, or I
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: feel like you were emotionally abusive, or that that doesn't
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: give me the name plenty of times the word absolutely okay,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Like you tell me at twelve years old to my face,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: I hate you, verbatim. That is a moment I will
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: never forget.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Why does she say that.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: We were just in the middle of one of our
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: many heated arguments disputes about whatever it may have been,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: and it just got to a point where she was like,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: I hate you. And I think that out of all
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: of her kids, out of all three of us, I'm
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: the most outspoken. I'm the one that is like pedaled
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: to the floor, right. I've always been that way. Anybody
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: that knows me knows that. And that's something that I
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: need to work on. That's something that I need to
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: change about myself and improve on. But this didn't come
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: out of nowhere, and it definitely didn't happen for the
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: sake of this show. This is who I've been and
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: the instances that we've had that have been very heated.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: It's never gotten physical, but it's gotten right there beneath it,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: the words that are being exchanged, the things that are
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: being said. This is not new. This didn't come out
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: of nowhere like this is. We've had those really hard
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: moments where it's like, I cannot believe that you're my mom,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: and maybe at times she thought, I can't believe you're
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: my daughter.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know, would you call her the beware back?
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: I don't think that I've ever called her the bee
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: word to her face until we got to Hawaii.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So at twelve years Olga mother says, I hate
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: you as you guys were arguing, and as a twelve
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: year old girl, that chips away at your at your
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: confidence and the chips away at your ability. And again,
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: I really the blessing of this conversation is because I
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: think if people can can can not look at what
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: happened on Basketball Wives, and I want you guys to
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: just for a second, remove the altercation of basketball wives.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: And what I want people to really focus on right
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: now is as a kid, and as I'm talking to you,
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: you know what, it's so fascinating, Chatel. I can relate
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: to you. I can relate to you. I can relate
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: to you. And I'm not saying that to blow smoke
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: up your ass am. I saying that beautful, comfortable. I've
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: said this before my own podcast. I've had issues with
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: my dad. We're past that now, but I know what
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: it's like for a parent to say something to you.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: My father said to me I was subven, and he said,
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: stop acting like a girl.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: And again I'm not called out my name, but as
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: a little.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Boy hearing that, that was the day I said to myself.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, you don't like me right there, you don't like me.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: And I was suvin and I was thirty five. So
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: twenty eight years later, I took him aside and spoke
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: to him about that. So for twenty eight years on it,
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: I held on to it. I never forgot it, And
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: for twenty eight years I lived my life thinking my
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: father doesn't like who I am because I am a
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: feminine boy. My sexuality has nothing to do with it
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: is the fact that I mean eminem boy and him
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: saying stop.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Acting like a girl made me look at him differently.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: And I held on to that for twenty eight years
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: until I said something to him and he said to me,
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I didn't I didn't even realize I said
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: that to you, and I apologize, And now I made
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: him a good and refined I'm able to move forward.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: And I think for me, as I was watching the
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: dynamic between and your mom, I knew, listen, I'm gonna
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: be rip with you. I thought to myself, Okay, how
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: deep is the pain? How deep is the pain? And
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: what I'm realizing right now in this moment, it doesn't
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: have to be the physical pain of being physically abused
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: sexually abused. It doesn't have to be those those monumental
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: like like black or white thing where we're like boom.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: It can be your mother at that time saying to
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: you I hate you, yes, and things not ever.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Really being the same. Does that make sense?
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: No?
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think that in the back of my mind.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: I always held on to that, like even if I
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: was able to walk away from that conversation, and you know,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: we move on and whatever, And here I am twenty
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: years later, still feeling that way in the back of
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: my mind, like you still feel some sort of way
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: towards me, whether that's what for whatever your reasoning is,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: you have to hate me, because if you didn't, why
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: would you treat me like this?
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: Obviously, your sister will get down in a second. Your
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: sister said, baby Chantale was spoiled. My mama looked paraphrase,
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: of course, but it appeared that or what was said
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: was you were the apple of Jackie's eye, were the
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: one who got everything they wanted you. You were the
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: one that they poured so much into and that you
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: are a MENI Jackie yourself, is that something that you
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: can acknowledge that you, out of all your siblings, you
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: are the one that got the most or it was
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: boil on.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: I won't stay out of all my siblings because me
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: and my brother have the same mom and dad, right,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: and so for my sister, and I'm going to try
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: to be not careful with my words because my truth
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: is my truth, right, But I now understand that she
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: doesn't want me to speak about her and her experiences,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: so I can speak on mine. Right. My sister has
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: a different father and so not to in any way
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: take away from her experiences. Right. But I have a
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: daughter from a previous relationship, and now I have my
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: son with my husband, and I know that for me personally,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: I go out of my way to ensure that they
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: feel equal. I never want my daughter to be in
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: this house feeling like, oh, Mommy and Noah and Duquan
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: are sitting there on the couch and I'm off to myself.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: I don't play like that my kids are equal. It
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter who your father is. I'm your mother, and
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: this is what it is. So I think that a
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: lot of what she may have felt came from the
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: fact that you see mom and dad in this household,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: and no matter if my dad adopts you, no matter
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: if he takes you under his wing, no matter all
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: of these things, you still don't feel like this is
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: really mine. You almost feel like an outsider in some ways.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: And so for me, I always felt like, how do
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: I get us to be equal, or how do I
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: get her to feel like she's just as much loved
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: and adored as I am? You know what I'm saying.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Like you see me having these great experiences with my father,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: I want you to have the same thing. So I
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: can't tell you what her thought process was. I can't
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: tell you what I'm thought process was. But for me,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: even if I did have the material things, I still
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: felt just as my sister did. We was both left
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: here with our grandmother. She didn't take me with her
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: like our experiences. Maybe because yours are different, it doesn't change.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: It doesn't change that we were raised by the same mother.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Do you get what I'm saying. So much of what
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: you experienced I probably did too. It may have looked
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: different for you because it is different for you, but
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that you got this monster and I
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: got this perfect mother. That's not what happened. Now, If
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: that's what you if that's your experience, I understand that.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: But that wasn't my experience.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: And it goes back to what we say that children
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: can live in the same household with their parents and
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: have a different experience. And I think that's the case
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: with you and your siblings when it comes see your father,
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: Would you open up to your dad about how you
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: felt about the things I've gone with your mom or
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: you kept that too. Oh no.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: We just got to this point in like my late
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: twenties where I finally started to really open up and
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: be transparent with my dad and tell him because I
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: started to see him as a person and not a parent.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: So because of that, I'm like, Okay, I could see
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: where you were coming from when you didn't want me
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: to do this or you didn't want me to do that.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: I started to relate to him more, and so I
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: felt comfortable opening up. I felt comfortable saying yeah, like
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: this is this is where I was at, or this
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: is what I thought, or this is what I felt.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: And the difference and I'm not trying to compare them,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: but I'm speaking on my experience. The difference between my
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: mom and dad is that he is very quick to
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: take accountability, apologize, acknowledge, understand even if he doesn't agree right,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: And so then you have the polar opposite parent who
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: is the no accountability And it's it's very hard to
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: find that balance because on one hand, I don't feel
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: safe to share this with you, and on the other hand,
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: you're like my best friend. It's very hard to find
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: that balance.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: I've been told through many psychiatrists and the many books
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: that I read that for most girls, not all, but
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: for most girls, your first bully is your mom. I
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: have been told that when I say that, I'm not
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: calling your mother a bully. What I'm saying is based
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: on your relationship with your mother.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: And you said.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: Something so poignant earlier when you said, perhaps my mother
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: did the best she could with the information she had
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: of being a mom.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Do you think mother intentionally.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: Wanted to treat you the way she treated you, or
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: do you think, now being a mom, my mother did
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: the best she could with the information she had.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: I think it's a bit of both. Honestly, I think
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: that that is my truth, that I experienced a mom
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: who maybe had no plans of being a mom, right,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: and this all kind of just fill into your lap,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: like maybe you didn't want to be a mom, but
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: you're taking your responsibilities on. I don't know her backstory
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: like that, or I haven't had these sort of layered
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: conversations with her to understand where her mind was when
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: she had my sister, when she had me, or when
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: she had my brother. But I think that at times
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: you didn't know any better, so you couldn't do any better.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: But then there are other instances where it's like, now
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: you know you was dragging it right, like you know
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: you was out of line. And because I can never
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: have that sort of real, honest conversation where she just
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: takes the mask off and she just says, you know what,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: this is the real right and meets me in this
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: conversation with the desire to understand instead of attack or
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: feel attacked. We can't really get anywhere because I'm telling
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: you what my experiences are and you're telling me what
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: maybe your intentions were, and we just can't We can't
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: meet somewhere in the middle, you know what I mean.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: And that's how things start to really deteriorate and play
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: out how they have.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: You were closer grandmother with is Jackie's mom growing up?
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: What did you see in terms of how was Jackie's
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: relationship this strange mother figure who you felt at the time,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: what was her relationship and dynamic Like with your grandmother
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: who you cherish and just love so much.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: It wasn't bad. I think that she was. I think
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: the only one in this life that I've witnessed outside
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: of my dad, who really loved my mom unconditionally, like
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: I know who you are, I know how you are,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: and I'm gonna love you through that. I'm gonna try
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: to fix you in some ways, you get what I'm saying, Like,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: my mom is one of nine. My room had nine kids,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: and this is the one that you chose to live
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: with help out. Do you get what I'm saying? Like
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: there are still eight other children, But my mom was
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: more so like I'm not gonna say the problem child,
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: but I think that my grandmother knew she is the
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: one that needs it the most, and so having her there,
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: it was like she just picked up a lot of
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: the slack. She just did all the things. You're cooking
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: every meal, you're taking us to school, pickup, drop off,
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: sitting in the parking lot sometimes like do you get
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying? You're taking on you're being the mother
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: for her, and whether that was you are enabling her
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: to not step up to the plate as a mom,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: whether you feel like you're giving her the support that
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: she needs for her own mental I don't know. And
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: because my grandmother is no longer here, I can't really
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: have that conversation and get that sort of clarity and
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: understanding to be able to better understand, my mom, I
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: don't have that.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: In this very moment, I have a light bulb moment.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: Maybe you recognize it in yourself and you have or
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: maybe you have it. In this very moment, I have
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: aha moment of if any black child grew up where
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: their grandmother pretty much raised them, the moment your grandmother
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: passed away, you lost her protector. Oh my gosh, you
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: lost her protector. And I think, subconsciously, Chantelle, the moment
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: the woman who you felt protected you was there for you,
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: you love, the moment she passed away, you were now
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: forced to deal with your mother alone, without that.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Shield, without that shield.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: And at that point, I really felt like a motherless child.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Even though my mother is here in the flesh. This
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: woman that has raised me and taught me and picked
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: me up when I was down and just been that safe,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: protective space for all of these years. Now she's gone
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: and she's I mean, she passed away from cancer, like
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, so watching her deteriorate, and
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I was her caregiver for like the last year of
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: her life. Like there were so many hurt feelings and
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: just so much It was just so heavy for me,
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: you know, what I mean. And I think that maybe
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: my mom in her mind thought things would change between us,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: or maybe she I don't know, but I wasn't able
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: to build a relationship with her at that point. Like
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: I moved out at eighteen, And this is what people
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: fail to realize about me. They think, like I've just
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: been spoiled all my life. I moved out at eighteen
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: and when got a job at Walmart because I wanted
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: to be away from my mom. I didn't want to
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: live off of her. I didn't want to be provided
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: for and all these things that people think. When my
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: grandma died, I was like, Okay, now I got to
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: hit the ground running. I have to figure something out.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: And within a month I was a cashier at Walmart,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: name tag and all, and from there moved to North
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: Stroum and assistant manager at Hustler Hollywood. And I've had
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: a lot of odds and end jobs along the way
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: to prevent depending on my mom and to prevent maybe
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: having the tough conversation.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: I was just about to say, I don't think it
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: was to prevent to prevent you from dealing with her.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: It's not prevent what you did, was chantel when your
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: grandmother passed away and you're eighteen years old. Well, you
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: don't realize you did, my love. You were escaping your mother.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: You ran away, You ran away from home.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Oh no, for sure.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like you ran away. The
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: fact that this woman who.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: I love is no longer here, Yes, and she's removed
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: from the equation. I'm not forced and face to deal
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: with that. And I can't deal with that because again,
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: I relate to you so much because when my mom
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: passed away, because I want the world to know that
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: I now see you so differently now when my mom
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: passed away, all nine, I have ten siblings, so I
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: can relate to Jackie too. I have nine siblings. It's
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: ten of us. All of us were extremely close to
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: our mother. The moment our mother passed away, I'm not
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: gonna speak for everybody. I'll speak for myself, just to
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: be safe, because I don't need no drama in my family.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: The moment my mom passed away, I said, I have
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: to talk to my father. Now we're fine, but I
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: will call my mom and she'd be like, you know,
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: she is your dad's birthday.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Oh tell my seventy birthday? All right?
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, Carlos blah blah blah blah, your father in the background.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Oh time, I said, Hi. It wasn't until my mother
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: passed away that I said to myself, I now have
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: to develop a relationship with my father. When your grandmother
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: passed away, you ran away because you did not want
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: to deal with the heavy work. And it's heavy to
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden at eighteen years old start a
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: relationship with your mom. And you've been what you have done, Chantelle,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: which is no far of your own and you said
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: it earlier. You are still a little girl inside processing
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: your experience, and unfortunately you haven't been able to find
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: the worst to articulate it, and you suppressed it and
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: and your and your anger has manifested.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Absolutely m I read a comment that said, Takari is
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: sad and Chantelle is mad, and I said, preach, Clockey, preach,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: That's that's what you see manifesting people you because maybe
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: because you don't see me crying and carrying on, you
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: can't have any sort of empathy for me. Right you
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: see the anger, and it's like, how could you? But
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: if you don't understand my plight, be grateful for that.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: I've been through a lot of experiences in my life,
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: and that doesn't excuse my behavior. It doesn't you you.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: You you hold full accountability absolutely for your behavior.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, when I got to that door, I could have
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: and should have turned around and walked out of it
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: one thousand percent when I when I seen in real
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: life outside of these cameras, you're not going to take accountability.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: You're not gonna acknowledge what you've been doing all season long.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Right now to the outside world, we both look like fools.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: I just need to go. I couldn't do that. I
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: couldn't do that. For the first time in my life,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: I'm tote to told with who I feel like was
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: my first bully, and I'm not backing down. I don't
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: something in me just I was spiraling and that's what
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: you see play out. I don't people think that because
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: I haven't come out and said I apologize to my
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: mom for this, is not that I think that I
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: was right in the altercation or in what happened. There
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: are plenty of instances and times during this season where
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: I was wrong, where I could have removed myself, where
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: I shouldn't have engaged. Absolutely, I understand that I'm not delusional,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: like I know it looks that way, and I get it,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Like it's fear. You guys can only go off of
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: what you see, Like you said, you know, I get it,
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: But I know what a what I have experienced since
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: the start of filming this show, And that's what I
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: think that people fail to realize. When I'm on the
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: show and I'm talking about her taking accountability and apologizing
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: and so on and so forth, I'm talking about stuff
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: that's happening right now at my big age at thirty
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: two in Los Angeles, on these cameras, off these cameras
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about right now in this season, I wasn't
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: even talking about my childhood. Now, if we want to
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: tell the backstory and you want to understand better how
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: I kind of came to this place of not being
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: super close with her, we can do that. But what
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: I was searching for this season was not her to
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: go back and say, you know what, I shouldn't have
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: talked to you like that when you were a kid,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: I shouldn't have such and such. I wasn't. That was
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: not what happened, and it did not come across that
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: way on camera at all. So that's something that I
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: have to live with. But because I know my truth
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: and I know my intentions, that's the only thing that
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: is keeping me afloat right now.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: So let's get into that. You've been on the show before.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: We've seen you a part of Basketball Guys a couple
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: of times. This was the first time where Okay, Chantelle
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: is low Kia full time cast member. When you got
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: the call to join the show, did you know that, Okay,
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: this is going to be an opportunity for me to
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: work with my mom. Like, where were you and your
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: mom's relationship when you got the phone call to join the.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Show this season?
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: We weren't in a bad space by any means necessary,
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: But we also weren't close. We weren't besties. We weren't
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: you know. I'm calling her and telling her my business.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: What I want people to understand is that I moved
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: away from Sacramento and away from my mom when my
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: daughter was two and a half years old. She's eight
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: years old now, so me and Jackie have not been
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: living in the same state for five years. We're talking
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: over text, we have our phone. She'll send the kids
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Christmas gifts. That's the sort of interactions that we're having
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: ever so often. I'll go to Sacramento. Obviously my dad,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: you know where he works. So Disney on Ice is
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: coming to Golden One Center. I'm gonna take the kids,
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: things like that. But me and my mom had not
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: been in the same space for extended periods of time
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: in years years. This is not somebody that I'm seeing
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: and everything is great off camera and then I get
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: on camera and I cod switch on you. That's not
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: what happened. We were not locked in. We were not
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: where we are now by any means necessary, or I
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: never would have agreed to come and do the show.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: But I think that I had high hopes that I've
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: been on this show before I had to sit down
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: with Laura, I've had all the drama with other girls
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: and all of these things. I can come on and
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: show the growth I can show. Okay, like, no, we
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: definitely don't have the best history. We definitely don't have
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: you know, the we have a very checkered past. But
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: we're moving forward. We're trying to move forward. So when
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: my mom reaches out and the producers reach out, this
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: is this is months in the making. And the first
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: several times I said no, I'm a newlywed, I have
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: this new baby, Like, I don't need this, respectfully, like
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: I get it. Everybody said I did this for a check.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: I was. I appropriately compensated for my time. Absolutely, I
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: wasn't gonna do it for free. But did I need this? No,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: my husband takes impeccable care of his family. So I
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: didn't come on here for the sake of a check
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: to embarrass Jackie. That's not the way that this played out.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Y'all came and found me. I was in Arizona, out
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: the way for years. I was never in the blogs.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: I was never in no drama. I was out the
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: way for years. I was living a happy, peaceful life,
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: letting my husband love on me, letting my kids build memories.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: And I was good. Y'all came and found me. I
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: turned it down multiple times, and grow continued encouragement and
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: petitions and so on and so forth from my mom. Oh,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: come on, Danna, we're gonna do this. It's gonna be great,
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be positive. Come make your little money and
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: go on about your business. I'm talking to my husband
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: about him, like, what do you think he's like? I mean,
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, you know same thing my
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: dad said, you know how y'all could get I don't
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: know if it's the best idea, but if.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: You your father wasn't even into the.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: Idem Wow, hell no, all right now, because he knows,
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: like we don't have the best track record, we don't
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: have the closest relationship, and he knows that we're both
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: firecrackers in that way.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: He knows his child, and he knows I'm not going
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: to back down. And once you take me to that point,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: I could give up about these cameras and anything else.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't play like that. You can see
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: in her previous interviews where she says, my daughter is
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: a very private person. I begged her to be on
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: this show, so I didn't. I wasn't looking for this,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: ye know.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: I interviewed your mom, of course, and she says, your
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: mother said I but you said, like she reached out
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: to get you on the show.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Your mother hick con from that to me.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: So you brought me here to play in my face?
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: That's how you felt, or do you still feel that way?
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, we could get into the meat bones of
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: what happened. Absolutely, that is what happened. You played in
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: my face.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm a huge Basketball Wives fan. I watch
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: every single episode. I'm a Basketball Wives historian.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: Okay, I saw you on the show, you and dre
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: et Orlando that whole thing, and I saw you confront
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Evelyn about Jackie and the Jackie's like what you doing?
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: You're like, Mom, I came down my weed.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: Stel intact, like everything's good, right, I'll trust me. Carlo's
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: kigs are fed up of Wives. It's the greatest show
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: bah one in my opinion. So we saw the top
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: of the season. We see your mom be you know,
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: adulting grandmother in the sense of, like, you know, having
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: fun with you guys. But one thing that I still
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: do not understand. And again us producer, I know that
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: oftentimes a lot of things aren't shown, and I want
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: you to have the ability to address it. What was
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: the moment this season where you felt like things took
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: a turn between you and your mom?
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: The first scene.
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: In the.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Apartment apartment, Now, put your producer hat on. Follow me here.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Everybody is saying from the first scene that she came in,
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: you act like you was on ten. You were so disrespectful.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Understand something my mom met my son when he was
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: seven months old. When she comes in the door and
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: I say, oh, he got to warm up. That's meat
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: for real, real as a mama bear. I'm not gonna
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: put him in your arms for the sake of these
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: cameras and have him on here howling and carrying on.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: I want him to be comfortable. I'm I set out
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: when I when I signed up to do this show
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: to really establish the real and reality TV. I understand
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: that people have grown accustomed to seeing these women get
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: on here and sit down and fight and argue and
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: throw drinks and go to dinner and talk about the
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: same thing. And I that wasn't what I signed up for.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be my real, true, authentic self. Whoever likes it,
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: likes it, whoever doesn't, that's okay too. So you're seeing
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: these little you know, nuances or whatever in our relationship.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: This is our real dynamic. And I'm not gonna get
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: on here and pretend for anybody here you go, here's grandma.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna do that. Why would I do that
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: to this is my real son. This is not no
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: prop baby.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: And how old would your son up the time of
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: that scene?
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: I was, I think nine months postpartum, so he was, Yeah,
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: he was like nine ten months, so right in there.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: So your mother met yourselphabet part seven months? Was that
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: the second time she was around?
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: That was maybe maybe the third, right right within there.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: I think that that she had because obviously I had
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: been in La in that apartment well before we started filming,
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: right like a week or two or whatever. She had
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: seen him on different occasions. But not, my mom is
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: not picking up my son taking him to the park.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: This is not one of those sort of situations. You
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: can come over and see him. You can come and visit,
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: visit him, absolutely, like, that's not I'm not going to
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: keep you from your grandkids, right, but you also don't
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: have that sort of typical grandparent relationship with him, right
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: you may she may have had that with my daughter
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: because I lived in Sacramento at the time, So for
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: the first two and a half years of her life,
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: you are able to see her, you are able to
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: have these great experience as a grandparent. But when it
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: comes to my son, that wasn't the case. So fast forward,
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: she comes in, she sits down, We're having our little
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: you know talk, whatever she says, and I haven't said
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: this publicly. She says, Banna, I don't mean to pry,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: but how are things with and insert my daughter's father's name.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: She says, how are things with Stacy? And I'm like,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: I know you fucking did, now mind you? Leading up
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: to this, We've had multiple conversations that we will not
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: talk about that on this platform. I'm in the thick
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: of a custody battle. I'm going through a nobody out
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: of my grandmother's nine kids. Nobody in our family has
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: ever had any sort of custody court anything family wise.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: They always figured it out amongst themselves. So here I
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: am in the middle of this very heavy, serious situation.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: You promised me that you are not going to talk
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: about it. You promise me that you will not bring
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: it up. And if somebody else brings it up, you
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: could just get up and you could just walk away,
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: don't engage, and you get in here in the first
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: thing and you throw me under the bus. Now, as
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: a producer, you know, we don't know what's gonna be
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: used at this point. I don't know if they're gonna
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: use it. I don't know if this is gonna get legs.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know if now they're gonna take this and say, Brandy,
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: ask her about her daughter's father or such and such,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: asker about the court case. I don't know how this
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: is gonna play out, but I know that you and
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: I had multiple conversations leading up to the start of filming.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: We agree we would not talk about this. Understand, my
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: daughter has her father, My sister has her father. Mom,
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: you have a child from a previous relationship, just like
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: I do. Do you want me to come in here
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: and sit down and say, so, how are things with Tyrone?
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: Have you talked to him lately? What is the drama like?
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: That would have been so messy, that would have been
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: so crazy and tacky on my part as your daughter.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: So you can do that to me, and I'm just
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: supposed to eat it now. You and Dustin both said,
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: she's very well versed at this. She knows what she's doing.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: She knows there are certain things that you just don't
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: because you never know what's gonna be used. So in
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: that moment that it clicks in my mind and I'm like,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: here's she go yet again. You're not protecting me. Now,
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: you're taking me back to my childhood. Now I'm feeling
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: exposed now I'm feeling naked now. I'm feeling like the
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: very person that begged me to come here is gonna
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: play in my face for what reason. I'm if we
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: really get to the nitty gritty of things. Out of
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: everybody on this cast, technically I am the basketball wife.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: My father played basketball, but he's a coach now. Nobody
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: else on this cast is married to someone that is
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: currently in the league. That's not me tooting my own horn.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: If we're talking about the title of this show, that's
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: what it is. You had so much meat and bones
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: and things. You could have talked about, what is life
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: like with your husband living here and you live in
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: there with the kids, and there's so much we could
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: have talked about. Why would you come on here and
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: bring up my daughter's father when you know the dynamic
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: and you think that I'm not gonna feel some sort
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: of way, you know me, So I didn't allow that
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: to ruffle my feathers on camera. I gave her a
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: very you know, diplomatic answer, just you know, we're trying
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: to work through this as a family. Hopefully you know,
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: the judge will approve the relocation and whatever. As best
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: as I could wrap it up in that moment while
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: my mind I'm spiraling, I'm like, this, lady did not
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: just do this when we rap filming. I called my dad,
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: I called my brother, I called my husband. I said,
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: she's on some bullshit. She's on some bullshit. I don't
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: know why she brought me here. I don't know why
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: she would do that. And collectively they're all like what,
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: there's no way she got on camera and said that.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: They did not believe me. I said, on my children,
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: this is what she just got in here and said.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: And you know you're wrong, which is why you let
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: it with. I don't mean to pride, but you're being messy.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: You are being so messy right now for what reason?
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: There was a thousand things we could have talked about.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: If we're you guys sold me on the idea that
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: you're trying to bring back basketball wives, you're trying to
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: bring it back into the fold and talk about the
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: things in the NBA and so on and so forth.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Why are we not talking about that? What does my
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: ex and whatever we have going on with my minor
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: daughter have to do with right now today?
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: Did you confront your mom after the scene was over?
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: Absolutely? Are you serious?
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: No?
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: Banna I did, I said, Mom, So you mean to
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: tell me that we haven't had multiple discussion. Well, I
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: didn't know that. I was just saying it so I
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: could just get it out the way.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Because one thing that and this is me being rial
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: with you.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: One thing that all of us collectively who watch the
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: show and love your mom's personality on this show, is
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: your mother knows your mother is a great reality star.
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: Absolutely right. Yeah, so we know that your mother has
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: ability to bring up stuff, or say stuff, or do
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: stuff for the entertainment of the show.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: So in that moment, you felt like this, you're playing
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: up for the cameras.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: You're planning up for the cameras with me, your blood daughter,
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: who were supposed to be This storyline is that we
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: are rebuilding and you know I'm living in the same
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: building you're able to do. You get what I'm saying,
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: like that is the plan, And then you come in
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: here and you throw me under the bus like I'm
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: one of your castmates. I don't really understand where you're
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: coming from, got it? But now going forward, you still
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: want my loyalty, You still want me to hold you
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: in this high regard and paint this picture that everything
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: is great between us. I'm not doing that. That's not
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: what you're gonna get from me. But even still, even
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: after that, there were still multiple scenes where I tried,
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: I really just I'm just gonna fight the bullet. I'm
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: just not gonna feed into it. I'm just gonna She
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: had a photo shoot. I went and supported her. I wasn't.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: I didn't come on camera and melt down about that.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: I didn't say how dare you do that? I let
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: it die in hopes that they're never going to use this,
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: like maybe they just won't even pay it no mind
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: and just go on right. But because this is my
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: first go round as a cast member, I decided ultimately
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: later on in the season to bring it into the
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: fold and to say listen, so that there's nothing nobody
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: can come and put no card down on the table
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: for me. This is what I'm dealing with. I am
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: going through custody case. I am trying to get approved
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: of relocation. I do have judges and so on and
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: so forth in my life. This is what's happening. Because
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know what they're gonna use, but I know
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: that you as the mega incredible reality star that you
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: are you know the way that this game goes, So
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: to do me like that, I just I really couldn't
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: stomach it. And I think that that coupled with and
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: this is also something that I've never talked about publicly,
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: and I don't know if she will feel a way
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: about me doing this. But off camera, on the way
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: to Hawaii, Jackie tried to get Brandy to bring some
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: tea about me from a mutual friend that they had
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: a mutual friend that Jackie and Brandy had came to
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: Brandy and said, I got some tea on Jackie's daughter.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Now the tea was ice cold, he said, I was
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: a Lisbie. I'm not, but I can go ahead and
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: put that out there. She tried to get Brandy to
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: bring it into the fold. Brandy told her no. At
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: the airport on the boat scene where you see her
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: sitting there, she tries to get Brandy to do it again.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: Now this time it's on camera and Brandy's yelling at
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: her and we're like, what is going on in Brand's
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: going no, Jackie, I'm not doing it. No, Jackie, I'm
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: not doing it. After the fact, it's shared with me that, yeah,
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: she wanted me to bring this tea about you to
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: the show. Oh so you're playing a really dirty game
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: right now, and because you've been doing this so long,
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: you know I'm gonna get her to the point of
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: no return. She's gonna give this season all she's got
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: because she really don't have no filter and she really
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: don't care about these cameras, and she really doesn't I'm
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: not articulate in that way. Maybe I'm well spoken, but
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: when I'm mad, I'm mad. I'm not finna sit here
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: and play with nobody. I get that that's what y'all
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: like to do, but I don't like to do that.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: I told Brandy that in Vegas, everybody don't play like that.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: I know that that's what you guys are used to,
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: but I don't play like that. So maybe this isn't
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: the platform for me. Maybe this isn't the space for
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: me because I'm not about to play with y'all. That's
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: not Listen. Once you guys finally see as the viewers
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: me get to Hawaii. Now, I have you bringing up
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: my daughter's father. I have you trying to bring messy
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: t via Brandy to this platform. I have later on
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: in the Hawaii trip, you telling Jennifer that you would
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: have grandparents' rights to my kids. Now, how messy is
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: that of you to say when you know that I'm
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: in court right now. All of these things are coming
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: at me and I'm still sitting here trying to take it, like,
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: do not take it there with this, lady, I don't
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: care how you feel. I don't care. Like I made
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: a promise to myself, to my husband, to my children,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: to my father before I came on this show. I'm
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: not gonna get on here and show my ass. I'm
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: not gonna do it. I've watched you do it season
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: after season. I don't want to go along with that narrative.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: I don't want people to say, oh, the Apple dom
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: far far from the tree and everything that they've been
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: saying about me. Now, I never wanted this, but I'm
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: also not gonna let nobody play in my face. So
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: if that means that this is what I have to
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: wear and y'all don't understand where I'm coming from, that's okay.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: That's okay with me because I know what led up
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: to this point, and the cast members and castmates and
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: producers and so they all saw it in real time.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: So if you want to come out now at this
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: point and offer Jackie an apology because of the way
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: that this fight was relayed. I understand it and I
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: respect it, But to say that y'all didn't see in
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: real time what she was doing to me on and
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: off camera, this has been a tough pill to swallow. Man,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: this is crazy.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: So it sounds to me, again going back to the
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: dynamic between you and your mom, it sounded to me like, like.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: You said earlier, the little girl.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: Resurfaced again when your mother caught you off guard by
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: bringing us something on camera that you two talked about
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: not bringing up absolutely and then obviously your mother allegedly
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: hearing something told Brandy bringing up Branny said, no, Brandy
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: tells you. Is that when you started to unravel and
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: the loyalty was gone? Because is that when you started
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: to say, well, Brandy, Jackie said, it's about you.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: Well, what people don't understand and they always say, well,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: why didn't you protect her when Brittany was going in
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: on her. I'm not protecting nobody. That's not protecting me.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: This whole time that we're here in Vegas, you're on
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: the phone with me when we're not filming. I wasn't
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: staying at the house. I got a house separate from
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: them so that I could be with my kids. I
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: brought them to Vegas. You're on the phone with me
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: between these scenes. Yeah, because Brandy this and Brandy that.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: You're talking down on her, no matter what you said,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: I don't even have to repeat what you said, right,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: But then you get on camera and you're grabbing Brandy
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: by the hand. Sis, I know you've been dealing with
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: a lot, and I know now that shit is rubbing
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: me the wrong way. You're playing a very dirty game.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: If you don't want to get in between it, then
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: don't get in between it. There's eight other women here
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: that you could talk to, but you want to sit
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: here and buddy up to Brandy when you already know
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: I feel some sort of way about this person. Why
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: Because if the roles was reversed and I did that,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: if this was last season when Evelyn called you whatever
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: she called you and brought up whatever she brought and
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: I was doing that with her, you would feel some
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: sort of way. But I'm behind the scenes telling you, yeah,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: that's real tacky of her, and I just can't. You're
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: playing a very messy game and maybe you weren't prepared
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: for somebody that really knows you to come on here
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: and work alongside of you. And maybe when you offered me,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: or you brought this opportunity to my door, you weren't
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: prepared for the way that I was coming. But anybody
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: that knows me knows I really do not play like that.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: I don't play for these cameras. I could honestly care
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: less about any of I could have been ducked off
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: living on a farm. I wasn't bothering nobody. What did
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: you bring me here for? Just to do this? So
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: now I've become one of your castmates, and you're willing
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: to throw me under the bus and do me dirty
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: like you're willing to do everybody else. But you want
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: me to show you loyalty. You want me to stand
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: up for you because you and Brittany got into it. No,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: I'm actually not going to do that, because, respectfully, she's
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: the only one spoke up for me and said anything.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: Whether I met her ten minutes ago or I've known
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: her ten years, that's who spoke up for me. Why
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: are you so mad at her? You're getting defensive because
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: now now you see somebody else that's not just your
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: daughter that's saying this. Now, somebody that don't really know
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: neither one of y'all like that, is saying, Jackie, something's
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: wrong with this picture. I don't really like what's going
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: on here, and and now you want to jump over
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: couches and carrying on. But you can sit here with
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: the same person who Now mind you to give you
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: a bit of backstory on the Brandy thing. People say
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: that I started poking at her what they didn't show
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: you guys when we were in that room and I
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: said this to me, I said this to Denise and
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: whoever I think baby Evelyn was in the room. I said,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask Brandy personally when we sit down at
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: the dinner table, like what's t why, Like why would
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: you invite Jennifer here when you know her in Evelynce dynamic.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: Now I get everybody saying, well, why would you get
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: in it? You didn't know we're filming a TV show.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: If I don't say nothing, y'all gonna say, Oh, you're
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: sitting there quiet as a church bouse. Do you get
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying? You damned if you don't. Yes, I'm
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: saying I set out my mouth. I'm gonna ask Brandy directly.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: I'm not sitting here being messy with y'all. That's not
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: what I'm doing at all. I think it's crazy that
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: she did that. I'm going to ask her directly. Before
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: I had the opportunity to do that, Brandy comes barreling
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: around the corner with all the smoke for everybody in
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: the room. I get it you feel some sort of way,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: you feel like we was around the corner talking about you.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: But as for me, I said I was going to
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: ask you directly. You just didn't give me that opportunity
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: to So once we all make our way out to
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: the living room, the only person out of everybody that
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: was in the room you have smoke for is me
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: because I asked a very logical question, why did you
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: invite her here? Is this not the same thing that
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: you did last season when you invited Jackie to Brooks event.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: So you do have a track record of doing this,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: and I am asking you what's up? But I didn't
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: go picking with her. And regardless if in that moment
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: my mom wants to see that I can hold my
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: own I can. If this is on an audition for you,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: and you just sitting there. She's sitting there with a
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: water bottle full of Titos like this, watching like everybody else. Okay,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: you don't have to say nothing. You don't have to
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: insert yourself. You don't got to ask Brandy what her
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: issue is or why she got all this smoke for
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: me and nobody else. Maybe this was my freshman hazing,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: and y'all wanted to see how I would handle it.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: I don't care what they showed on that episode. I
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: handled myself very well. I get how it was cutting
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: spliced together, but I think that we walked away from
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: there with everybody on the same page that Okay, ain't
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: go back down like I'm not gonna hold you. That
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: was the general consensus. You understand, Oh, I totally understand.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: Listen, when I look at basketball, Yes, the reason why
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: it's such an interesting subculture amongst other reality shows is
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: because to me, it is about.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: This very unique, you know, organizing.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: Subculture principle to where we're all in some form of
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: fashion can relate on being associated, past or present of athletes,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: and it is sort of like I listen, I'll say,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: I do feel like by proxy of just the show, right,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: it's nobody's thought of it's all. I think it's a
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: subculture of basketball lives. Newbies get hazed. I think that's
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: what it is. And again, I've watched the show since
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: day one. I think that's just the nature of the show.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: I can see your point being like everybody like, well,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: this little bitch can handle her all and cheers of
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: the girls weekend like bitch.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: Okay. So now we work our way through the Now,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: mind you, we're in Vegas for several days. Over the
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: course of the breakfast the next morning, Brandy's making little comments.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: You see, I'm laughing. I'm not really feeding into it
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: because I'm not even gonna take it there because I
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: can I can already see now. I know that behind
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: the scenes, Brandy has already kind of established chantell No,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: I'm just playing, right, She know I'm not real right, No,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know that you're not playing. I think that
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: you're dead serious. And now every time I see you,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: I have a problem like That's That's how I'm feeling
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: in that moment. Obviously, later on throughout the season, I
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: was able to talk to Brandy and kind of get
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: a better understanding of her, and we just acknowledge. You're
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: a may Gemini, I'm a June Gemini, and we just
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: say it's just oil of water. You get what I'm saying.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: But I think that the picture that was painted, and
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: I can understand how viewers took this from the scenes,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: is that I'm telling her that I'm telling my mom,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: don't say anything on my behalf, just be quiet. That
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: actually isn't what I said. I said I can handle myself.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: I can.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: I mean no, like, I can take care of this.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: It's not a problem. Like you don't even got to
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: wory about it. You don't even if you don't want
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: to do it on your own, you don't have to
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: ask me for permission.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: You see her coming for me for no apparent reason.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: And I think where the lines get blurred is that
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: people are saying, well, you put boundaries in place. I
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: put boundaries in place for things like her not telling
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: my personal business. I put boundaries in place for her
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: not showing up to my apartment all hours the day
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: and night, coming in like that. Those are the boundaries
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: I'm speaking of. This has nothing to do with this
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: lady that you've known for all of these years. Keep
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: coming for me for no apparent reason. You're sitting within
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: arm's reach of this lady, you sharing this bread basket
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: like you are sending me. You are infuriating me at
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: this point, because why are you You just got off
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: the phone calling you If you don't want to involve yourself,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: don't involve yourself. But don't sit here and fake kiss
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: Brandy's ass on this camera and make me look crazy.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: If this is how you feel about Brandy, just hold that.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: There's eight other women here, mean Ti, Denise, Brittany, Evelyn,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: Shawnee that you could talk to, pick with, converse with,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: et cetera. Why are you going for the person that
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: you know I feel some sort of way about, and that,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: according to you off camera, you feel some sort of
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: way about. But I look crazy. No, No, we're not
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: We're we're not gonna do that' gonna do that. So
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: then to get to the lounge, where she eventually jumps
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: over the couch. As soon as I walked into the scene,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: she grabbed Brandy's hands. She says, Sis, you know I
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: wanted to bring us all here tonight because you know,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: I know that you've been going through a lot that
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: if you see my face, yeah, I'm like, I know
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: you ring like, I get that this is a show.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: I get you've been doing this for so long and everything.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: But if this is how you were gonna play, why
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: did you call me here? You could have done this
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: with any of the other girls. Why would you bring
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: me here knowing that our relationship is not the best already?
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: Did you think I was gonna feed into it? Did
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: you think that I had changed overnight and that I
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: had become someone that was going to play right along
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: with you? You know I'm not, so.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: It was it was challenging for you to I now
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: have a greater understanding of this. On one end, your
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: mother and you know her, yes, and you know the actions,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: the mannerism and all that of your mom, plus the
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: conversations you guys are having on camera, and then once
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: the camera's on, you're seeing a very different person courtesy
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: of what you're saying to me off camera isn't matching
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: things on camera. And because you're like, I'm here to
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: be my authentic self, you're leaving their confused and you
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: just don't know how to navigate through this. And then
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: all of this, obviously has been a built up from
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: the first scene bring up, your estranged relationship with your
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: daughter's father, and then everything just sort of like piled up,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: piled up, piled up, and you probably felt like you
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: were in the twilight zone. I was.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: I was spiraling now, mind you, I'm nine months postpartum
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: at this point, I'm going through postpartum depression. I'm dealing.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: I had so much on me and that does in
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: no way excuse my behavior. But I'm hoping that that
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: this interview will help people better understand where my mindset was.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: It didn't just happen overnight. We're filming over the course
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: of several months, through the holidays and everything else, and
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: at every turn you're taking the opportunity to play in
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: my face. And never once off camera did you come
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: to me and just say, you know what, I was
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: dead wrong, like I apologize, I'm gonna do better going forward. Never,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: not once did she ever tell you like girl that's
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: TV show. No, Brandy the only one that told me that.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: So it was very hard for me to accept. And
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: I think that when I finally get to Hawaii and
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: I'm coming in on ten and I'm asking her, did
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: you call me impressionable? That came from Vegas? The whole
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: cast and production. Everybody else is staying in the same house.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: When these cameras are not rolling, there are a lot
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: of conversations that happen off camera. You guys are all
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: conjoined in here in this living room talking about these scenarios,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: and you're telling this group of women who don't know
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: me and these produce well, yeah, you know, because Shanny,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: she's very impressionable, and so you just gotta, you know,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: kind of just keep an eye out, basically hold on out.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: Of all of your kids, you know that I'm the
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: least impressionable. You're saying things that you know are going
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: to send me off. And if that was you wearing
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: your producer hat and hoping to get good TV.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: Here we are when your mom kept leaving seen by
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: seeing by seeing by scenes off. No, I don't know.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: I'm just I'm asking because again, even on my recap,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: and I'm glad you watched it, I kept saying, I'm
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: only going to base this recap off of what you
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: say what I saw, because I the beauty of my
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: podcast is I am a producer and I know that
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: you can't show everything. So I kept saying what I'm
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: seeing with Jackie is every time the conversation is about
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: her daughter, she walks up to leave.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Was that just to play the audience, you think?
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: Or one thousand percent? And that's why when I released
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: my statement, I said, this was a masterclass in narcissism.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: You are dealing with someone who has been doing this
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: for the past decade. She is very good at her job.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: That's why so many people love her. I don't take
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: that away from her. You are a mega reality star
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: in every shape and fashion you are when you think
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: of basketball wives, you think of Jackie Christy. I will
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: never take that away from her. But because you have
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: been doing this long enough, I know that you know
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: what you're doing. On top of the fact, you're taking
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: a page out of my book in the previous seasons
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: that I haven't been on, and you're calling me after
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: the fact, I'm giving you this advice, Mom, if you
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: just get up and walk away from there, they'll just
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: be sitting there screaming in an empty room. Just get
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: up and walk away from the table. And now you're
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: gonna wait till I get on here and use my
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: advice against me. Oh, Carlos, I was spiraling. I'm not
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: even gonna hold you watching that back, I'm like, girl,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: you was melting down. You was just you were just
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: I was just losing it because I just couldn't believe,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: like you really gonna get on here and play, and
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: out of all of the years, you never get up
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: and walk away. Everybody knows you are willing to engage.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: You're gonna throw French fries, drinks, whatever, You're gonna sit
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: here and do this back and forth all day. But
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: now that you know, wait a minute, I got to
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: write where I want her. She's so mad, she ain't
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: gonna be able to articulate herself. She's gonna be sitting
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: here spot. I'm just gonna get up and walk out.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: I took that as I'm not gonna give the audience
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: a moment between me and my daughter. Okay, well that's
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: so you're saying that that was because that's how we
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: all took it. We all took it that she is
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: walking away from the audience seeing.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: A dispute between mother and daughter. That's how we took it.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: If in your heart you really do believe that, why
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: do you keep coming back to film? If you know
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: that I'm gonna be here and you know that this
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: is gonna be the topic. If you really felt like,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: I'm not engaging in this in any way, shape, fashion,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: or form. I'm not gonna discuss me and my child
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: and so on and so forth, why do you continue
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: to engage? Why do you continue to come and show up?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: Never once did you say, if Shanny's gonna be there,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to be there. If this is going
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: to be the topic of discussion, I'm not filming. You
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: can pull your trump card. You can be that one.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: You have earned that position on this show to be
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: able to call the shots and kind of say how
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: you want things to go. Now. You may not be
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: executive producer, but you are Jackie Christie. You showing up
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: just like I'm showing up. But I'm the one that
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: looks crazy because you get me right to that point
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: where I start to ask the very logical questions and
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: you know where I'm going with this. Did you call
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: me impressionable when we were in Vegas? Was you talking
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: about Brandy? She knows I'm a very logical person. I'm
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: going to ask, and I know everybody was eating me
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: up because I used rhetorical wrong. I did, I did.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: I definitely did watch it back I said, well, I
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: didn't go to college, so.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: I got that ate me up.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry, I need to do better next time.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: But the point is that because you know that you've
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: got me to this point of like's not she knows
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: me in a lot of ways, right, you know that
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to be able to properly articulate myself
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: because now I'm mad. Now I'm not worried about story.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: I'm not worried about buttoning this up. I'm not worried
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: about explaining it to the viewers. Now I'm just looking
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: at you, mother to daughter, like, are you serious? Right now?
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: I now have a greater understanding of all of this.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know why all of.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: A sudden this hit me too, which is strange, but
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: it just has your mother, your birth mom.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: This is your mother where you two have had a
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: very complicated relationship.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: You're now on a shove where your mother, as you
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: have admitted, your mother is the Lesiondary one of the
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: greatest reality stars of all time. Because to be a
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: reality star icon there is a certain level of experience
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: where you're able to know cameras on move a certain way.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: And I now understand that I have no idea whatever.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: Feel like if a daughter comes on her mother's platform
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: that she has excelled at from day one, and you're in, yes.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: I played here and there.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: Of the seasons we did that, boom boom, But this
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: is a full time job.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: You asked me to do it. I'm trying to like
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: have a real moment.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: With you, and I now understand why you felt like
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: at that time, I'm being played. And when your mother
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: is sitting down and she's like trying to talk to you,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: I now understand that for you, right or wrong. I'm
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: not here judging you or your mom, but I now
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: understand as you're sitting down wanting to have a real
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: conversation with your mother, your mother getting up was away
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: in your mind at that time.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: You're playing in my face and you know this is
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: going to get me to.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: React, and you know that this is going to send
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: me off. You are literally And the thing is that
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: this She didn't get up and walk away one time,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: This was multiple times repeatedly in Hawaii. Now off camera
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: and on camera, all of the castmates are saying the
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: same thing. That's messed up. As a mother, I wouldn't
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: do that before any fight happened. You guys are acknowledging
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: in real time what is wrong with this that you
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: you don't want to be held accountable or you don't
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: want to have real conversations, so you're choosing to get
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: up and walk away. Before I got to the point
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: of speaking to her so disrespectfully on that last night
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: in Hawaii, I was actually very calm. I know it
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: may not translate that way on camera. It may be
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: sliced different. I approach these conversations very calmly. I started
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: asking very logical questions because I'm just trying to understand
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: why are you doing this? You have all of these
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: women sitting here at this table that you could play
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: this game with. Why are you doing this with me?
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: And do you understand how far this can really go?
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: Maybe in her mind she thought this is best case scenario.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: Me and my daughter can go back and forth. We
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: can have our little stat and it's never going to
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: go further than that, not at thirty two, not as
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: a wife and a mother.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: Of my own, but also not with and I'm gonna
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: say this also, not with the built up, unhealed aggression
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: that you have. And I think that's the missing piece
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: of everything what I want. And again, I'm not here
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: to defend you to the picture, mom. I'm here to
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: have a real conversation and really extract what you're given
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: to me because I now see things very differently. I
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: now understand as an unhealed woman, Yes, who's on a show?
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: Your mother? Who is the face of that shell? To me?
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: Who plays that game perfectly? Your mother's a legend in
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: the game. Yeah, she's amazing.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: I now understand how an unhealed daughter can recognize that
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: and feel confused.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: And now as we.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: Were in Hawaii and you guys are in your mother's
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: hotel room. When you walked into that room, Chantelle, what
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: was your sole intention that you wanted to get.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: Out of that conversation with your mother.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: I didn't go in there really with any intention. You
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: have to understand that the confrontation that happened in the
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: hotel room came right after sitting down on the terrace
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: and I had on the black suit. And she walked
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: away and said, you know, when the when the teacher
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: is ready or whatever, the student will appear, whatever it is.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: And she said, I know she was. She was reading
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: that before she walked in that scene because she wanted
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: to come across very poised and like in exactly how
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: she came across. You understand what I'm saying. I know
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: that this was prepared in her mind. So when I
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: went up to the room, I'm like, girl, what you
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: got for me today? Like I've already mentally checked out
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: in my mind because you're playing. You don't want you
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: called me up here to literally play into whatever narrative
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: it is that you want these viewers to go with
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: and send me on my way. We're not gonna get
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: to any real resolution here. We're not gonna get to
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: the nitty gritty of how we got to that point
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: this season. So when she's asked me, well, baby, what
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: is it and everything that you and Destin were saying?
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: You're not asking me because you really want to know,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: you know what happened you were here. I'm not talking
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: about my childhood. I'm talking about right now on this
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: season today. Well, we weren't cool before this. I don't know,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: you tell me were we called before this? Because if
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: we were so cool, why would you do that to me?
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: It's not adding up And now I am spiraling. Now
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: I do feel crazy. Now, I do feel all of
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: these things because what.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: No, So when she said get up and leave, and
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: that's a much better exit.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: Again, you're in your producer role. You don't care that
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: I'm your daughter. You don't care that I'm really for
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: real upset in real life. You don't care all of
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: the things that you've done to me leading up to this.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: Now you're sitting here and you're producing this scene. That's
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: a much better exit. M M okay, sweetie, Like, yeah,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: I am saying things to her, but do you not
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: realize that she's saying things back like ming said out
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: of her own mouth, Jackie cannot be bullied. I was
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: not bullying her. I treated her in a way that
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: watching it as as a daughter, I shouldn't correct. I
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: understand that. But this person is not innocent. She's not
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: sitting here like this meek mother. That's like, why would
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: you do this to me? Why are you treating me
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: like this? You playing in my face like I'm a
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: stranger in the streets. So I'm treating you the same way.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: Why do I have to treat you? Why do I
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: have to parent the parent? Why do I have to
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: treat you with more respect than you give me? I
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: understand now, through months of healing and therapy and all
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: these things that I have a burden to be better.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: I understand that now, But in that moment, oh lady,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: oh my god, I just that was just a really
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: that was a really heavy night for me. That was
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: a really dark time. And I know that I didn't
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: come to that place out of nowhere, and I didn't
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: go into that scene. I didn't even come onto this
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: season with the intent to embarrass Jackie, to trick her
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: out or spot all these things that people are saying.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: That was never my intention.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: Calling her Jackie. That's y'all thing, Yes, okay.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: Which is why I'm like, now, mind you, y'all want
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: to pick and choose me and get on live. And
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: she call her mom VICKI and don't nobody blink twice.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: But when I called Jackie Jackie, No, I call Jackie Jackie.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: At Christmas time, I called this just that's just our like,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: it's that's all child. Yes, it's never been in a
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: disrespectful way. I understand watching that. It's like, oh, she
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: was yellinger and she called her Jackie. I answered the
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: phone when we on good term, Jackie, what is it now,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: Like that's just our Okay, I want to.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: I'm my girl, Okay, so obviously listen when I when
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: I saw the moment of you and your mother's altercation,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: and I'm being very honest with you, and I even
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: said this on my recap, I felt awful. I felt
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: awful as a viewer watching that because it was something like,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: I don't want to see this. I don't want to
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: see this. I felt that way as a viewer in
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: that moment. Of course, people are saying, Chantelle, you deserve it.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: You pushed your mother, and people are missaying, Shantail, your
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: mother should have done worse to you when that happened,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: when you're mother, and I want to, I want did
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: she make contact with you?
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: She didn't. She pushed me into the camera like she
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: bawled up her fists and kind of tried to like
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: she was aiming for my head. But because I ducked
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: out the way I fell into the camera, man, that's
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: how the finger ended up bleeding. Like it wasn't. There
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: was no real contact that was made other than her
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: pushing me into the camera. Her intention was to probably
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: sack me in between the washer and dryer or whatever
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: day on here to stand. But that's not the way
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: that that happened. It didn't land I wasn't as you
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: see in the next scene, like nothing, it didn't happen.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: Then why did you go back and tell the girl
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: she hit you?
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: I think that for me, and what I want people
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: to understand is I can see how it looks like
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: I was a liar when I left that scene and
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: I went back down there and I explained to the
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: women what happened. This is fifteen twenty minutes after this
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: altercation with my mom. Now, should I have left that
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: room and went to my own Absolutely, that should have
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: been the end of it. Right. But as a producer,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: I think you can understand sometimes when you're in the
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: moment and you're we're filming this show with you got
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: the mic on, like you're trying to kind of complete
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: this story, if that makes sense.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: No, with us, listen, things get cloudy and and again,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: I'm just being real.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: And that's why it's the beauty of this podcast, because
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: I am a producer. Anytime a big altercation happened on
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: any of my shows, right, what I need y'all to
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: understand is cast member called to ask for a play
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: by play because things happen so fast that you don't
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: remember things, and sometimes you just it happened so fast.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: So I will say this, and I'm not making no excuses.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: As a producer from Pillow Talk on Land of Housewives,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: all the girls called me and said what happened? To
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: love and to hip hop? They all call me be like, now,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: what really went down?
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: Because it is cloudy? So I will say that does
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: happen yet?
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: So at that moment, did you feel like when you
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: walk back and told them she hit me? Is because
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: you thought she hit you? Or did did the memory
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: of the she didn't make contact with you?
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: What was?
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: I think it was all very blurry for me, And
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: I think that I led with she swung on me, yes,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: I And I think that that it morphed into she
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: really put her hands on me because I was just
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: I was just in disbelief that you really balled up
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: your fists and tried to aim for my head like
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: I was a stranger in the streets simply because I
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: pushed you off of me. And I feel like that's
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: what the viewers are. They're being wilfully ignorant in this way.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: You put your hand on my elbow knowing that I'm upset,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: whether you were trying to usher me out the room
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: or not, whether I should have left out the door
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: or not. As my mother, you know that I'm upset.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: You know that touching me is going to send me off.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: You're trying to not sun me, but you're trying to
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: come on, let's get Do you get what I'm saying?
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: And because I've already made up at my mind that
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: this is the game that you're playing, and this is
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: the narrative that you're going with, like don't like watch out,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: don't do that? You get what I'm saying. I see
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: now how that push looks like, well, girl, you started
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: in and you deserve everything that was coming to you.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: That is not how I felt in that moment, and
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: that's still not how I feel today. Should I have
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: pushed her, Absolutely not. I will never I don't want
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: my kids to put their hands on me. I do
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: I want my kids to treat me that way?
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: But will I do to my kids what my mom
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: has done to me?
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: So I guess we'll never know. But I know that
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: in that moment, I felt like, don't touch me, like
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: you hear me say, don't touch me now, whether or
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: not y'all want to acknowledge that her hand was on
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: my elbow, whether or not you want to acknowledge that
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: I'm upset and I'm angry, and I'm just you can
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: see that I'm spirally. Never once did she say, you
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: know what, cut the cameras, this is enough. Nothing you're
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: playing into this too. Never once did you say all
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: bets are off, this is enough. We both could have
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: said that, and neither one of us did. I know
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: my reason for it, because in my mind, at this
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: big age, I'm finally standing up to this person that
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: I have all of this anger towards. I'm not backing down.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: If that means that this has to be here on
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: this stage in front of all these people, I don't care,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: because I know that I'm confronting this problem in my
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: life for once. But for you, who clearly you take
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: this as a game, you could have removed yourself from
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: this situation, you sitting here on the couch, scrolling on
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: your phone, waiting for the next showdown. But I'm the
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: problem because a lot of us, in specifically black households,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: are raised to believe or are raised on the belief
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: do as I say not as I do. Have respect
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: for your parents at all times. It doesn't matter what
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: they say what they do. I think that there's a
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: new generation of kids and adults that are coming and
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: that are happening that are not going for that anymore.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: I need to respect you because you're my parent, but
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: you have got to give me something to respect. Why
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: do I have to respect you just because of your
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: title mother, father, sister, brother, cousin, husband. It does I'm
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: not going to accept anybody else's toxic behavior simply because
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: of their title. I'm not doing it if that means
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: that I'm a messed up person. If that's how y'all
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: want to view me, I'll be okay. The sun will
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: rise tomorrow. I'm gonna get Up'm gonna take my kids
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: to school. I'm gonna make my husband like I'm gonna
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: go on about my life because I know my truth
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: and I know my intentions. If I had came on
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: here with the intent to embarrass her, to out her,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: to talk down about her, et cetera, maybe I would
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: feel embarrassed or like, damn, like she really foiled my plans.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: Everybody's saying, oh, you came on here with the intent
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: to embarrass your mom and you failed. I didn't fail.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: I free myself.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: They didn't fail.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: This wasn't the goal. But I addressed a dragon in
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: my life, and I can walk away from the situation
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: knowing that I handled it the best I could. And
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: until you're in that situation, you cannot tell me how
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: to feel. You really can't. What people fail to realize,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: and I shared this with some of the girl's off camera,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: is that when I was twenty seven, I've always had
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: really bad migraines and headaches. I went to the doctor,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: I got MRIs and all these scans and the neurologists
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: came back with you have an aneurysm on the right
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: side of your brain. This is something that obviously my
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: parents are aware of. I've told all of my close
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: loved ones, like, you know, if something ever happens to me,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: like it could be that you just never know. Like
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: so for me one, we know that I've tried for
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: the last five years to live a very stress free life.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: That's why I was out there the way. So why
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: wasn't in nobody's blogs. That's why I wasn't doing I
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: was just out the way, living a very peaceful life.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: You brought me here, you stress me to the point
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: of disbelief, and then you aim for my head. Yeah,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna wear what they're putting on me. I'm
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: not gonna do that, Carlos. I'm not. If that means
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: that they feel like I'm not taking accountability or whatever,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: that's okay with me. I take accountability for where I
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: went wrong. Maybe I never should have gone up to
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: the room when she asked for the conversation. Undoubtedly I
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: should have walked out the door when I was standing
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: at it. I understand that. But nobody can tell me
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: how to handle pain that they have not experienced. It
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: is a different, triggering, crazy circumstance to be in. When
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: you're in it, it's so easy to sit there, turn
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: on a TV every Monday. Oh, she's so disrespectful to
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: her mom. Oh how is she acting like this? Why
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: is she acting like this when you don't know the backstory,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: when you already have in your mind that this is
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: the fan favorite that we riding with Jackie, right or wrong.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: I see all of these comments that say, but that's
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: still your mother. So let her do anything she wants
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: to me. Let her bring up things that she promised
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: she wouldn't. Let her try to get some random guy
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: that I've never even met to bring some tea about
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: me to this show, let her talk about grandparents, writes,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: When she knows that I'm in the middle of this case,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: at what point do you say?
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: Enough is enough? Now? The difference is everybody is telling me, well,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: you should have just walked away.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: Duh.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: I know that, But this was a very real situation
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: that y'all watched lay out. This was not made for TV.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: This was not something that I did for a check.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: She did for a check. I don't even think she
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: knew that that was gonna happen like that. I think
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: in her mind she thought, maybe she'll just remove herself
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: from this in general, that's what she told the producers
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: at Vegas. I don't even think that she's gonna continue
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: with this show because she knows. I don't get down
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: like this. I don't play these games. I'm not at
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: that place in my life. Even if at one point
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: I was messy, even if at one point I came
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: on and talked to Lauria, even if at one point
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: I had my drama Withdrea, I'm not at that space
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: in my life anymore. So, why are you pushing me
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: to this point? And now you light this fire and
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: then you walk away and you leave me standing here
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: holding the matches.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: Have you and your mother spoken since that night? No?
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: And how long ago did that incident happen?
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: Probably about seven months, six or seven.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: You haven't spunk to your mother in seven months. Your
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: mother's birthday was past weekend. Did you reach out? Did
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: you reach child? Has she reached out to you?
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 6: No?
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: She has mentioned through way of my brother when all
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: of this happened, she basically asked him, you know, does
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: she want me to come out and make a statement?
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: And I when the show after the episode air.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: After the episode aired, she sent word through my brother.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: Does she want me to come out and basically stand
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: up for her? Like I see that everybody's bullying her
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: and so on and so forth. Does she want me
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: to say something? And I said, no, one, if that's
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: not at the top of your mind, you shouldn't have
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: to ask for permission to do that. If you see
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: that people are wishing death on me and my family,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: and they're talking about the way my son looks, and
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: they hope that my daughter's dad wins custody and all
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: of this wild stuff. And you see this in real time,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: and you yourself have been in my shoes this first
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: several seasons. People called you an instigator, messy, all of
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: these things. You've been there, so you know how this feels.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: And now this is a very real situation with this
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: this mother daughter wound that is literally gaping open, and
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: in your mind, you no, you don't have to speak
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: on my behalf. I can speak on my behalf because
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: even if you did come out and say something, it's
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: not going to be the truth. You're not gonna take
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: accountability for what happened. You're not going to acknowledge that
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: you push me to this point. You're not gonna say
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: that my anger was justified. Maybe my actions weren't, but
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: my anger was. You're not gonna acknowledge that. You're gonna
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: leave me standing out here holding a bag looking like
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: this terrible, disrespectful, horrible daughter.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: And that's okay. How does your father feel about what happened?
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: I think that he is trying to prossess some very
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: heavy feelings. I think that he is at a point
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: in his life where all of these great things are happening.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: You know, he has this new opportunity as a head coach,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: and so any conversations that I have had with him
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: have really just been him keeping me encouraged and telling
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: me that you know, I know your heart, like I
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: know that you're not this person that people are making
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: you out to be. I know that this was a
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: long time coming. When I talked to him after the
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: Hawaii thing happened, I said, Dad, you know our dynamic.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: You know that this is not I didn't get on
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: here with the intent to do this. And so I
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: think that having his understanding and knowing that he knows
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: our history is very reassuring. And I think that what
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: people get misconstrued, and I've seen all sorts to sick
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: comments like I'm such and such from ease by you
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: and I want my dad and all of this, and
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: that what they fail to realize is that he has
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: been my protector in times that I needed one. He
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: has been that source of relief when things in the
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: house are too heavy or whatever. He will remove me
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: from the situation before I get to the point of
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: disrespecting her. You understand what I'm saying. So I look
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: to him anything that comes to her. I'm going to
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: my dad about it, period, because you know what it
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: is that I'm dealing with, and I feel like if
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: nobody else can get you together.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: I now get it.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 4: Every time you would bring up doug and you would
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: some calling my father, you feel like your father is
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 4: the only one who understands Jackie Christy.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: And is the only one that can that can check her.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, absolutely so that because because I think in
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: your mind you feel like my mother has full.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: The world and has audience and I can. But this
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: man not only.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: Can hold you accountable, he knows that what I'm saying
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: is the gospel. That he knows who he's married to.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: And that's the reason why you kept bringing your father's name.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: A lot of people And listen, you don't have to
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: answer this. If you don't want to, you can tell
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: me that's whatever. A lot of people were not happy
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: with you as well when you did say that's why
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: that's why Dougie's leaving you.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: Would you like to address that.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: What I can say about that is it's not my
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: place to speak on anybody else's marriage. It was very,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: like I said, tacky and tasteless and was clearly just
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: when I watch myself say that. I'm like, girl, now
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: you know that you didn't have to take it to him.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: You did not have to take it that far. That's
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: just not that's that is one regret that I do
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: have out of the entire season. That is the one
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: thing that I regret because I just I didn't have
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: to say that. I could have kept it right where
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: it was at. You get what I'm saying, Like, but
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: I'm spiraling like at this point now, I'm just.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you wanted to hurt her obviously. Yeah. Have
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: you heard from Sean O'Neil since the incident happened the episode?
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: Haven't heard.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: We talked briefly right after the incident happened, just I
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: think like because it was such a big deal that
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: it was like now the higher ups step in and like,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: you know, say something, communicate, But we haven't. We haven't
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: really talked since then. I've talked to all of the
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: different castmates at different times and points. I haven't talked
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: to anybody really since the fight aired, with the exception
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: of Jennifer and Brittany and Denise.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: To check in on you.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and what people don't understand about Brittany and Denise,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: and I just want to put this on wax right
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: because I know everybody has got they got their their
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: think pieces and things.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: Brittany de Niece, I'm just getting to know you. But
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: I love you, but I love Britney.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: I think Brittany's hilarious.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: But Brittany is a really But.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: Here's what I want people to understand, right me, Brittany
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: and Denise formed real friendships and relationships outside of this
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: show while we were filming. We had so much in common,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: Like my husband is planning for the Hornets, Brittany's child's
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: father played for the Hornets. You know what I'm saying,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: Like we're talking about things in Charlotte. Denise at the time,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: her daughter's uncle was my husband's teammate. You get what
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: I'm saying. Like we had a lot of similarities that
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: are out of everybody on this cast, we three can
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: relate the most because we have a husband or a
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: child's or whatever that are actively in the league right now.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: We can relate to each other better than anybody else.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: And then you throw the fact that we're all around
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: the same age, we have kids around the same There
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: were so many similarities that you just could not ignore.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: So we're building these relationships outside of the show, just
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: on some cool like this is not for TV, this
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: is just keeping in communication. They checked on me consistently
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: and vice versa. Like there were so many instances where
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: throughout the season one or all three of us felt
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: like I just cannot go on, like I just can't
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: do this, I'm about to just drop out. And we
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: kept each other encouraged, We kept speaking life over each other.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: And so I get that people feel like, well, you
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: just met her, and you did. Have you ever heard
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: the saying you could meet somebody, you could know somebody
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: for five minutes that does you better than somebody you've
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: known your whole life. So I get that people are
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: saying we're trauma bonding and we're no, this is just
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: somebody that.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: Really I felt that way. I felt, I'm gonna tell
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: you honestly how I felt. Again, this is me watching
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: the show.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 4: I did feel like Britney and you were trauma bonding
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 4: bits for your mother experience, and I felt like Britney
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: was dumping so much of her pain onto you.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: And again, this is the way before.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 4: Obviously we talked today and I get way more so
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: I regret saying that, but at the time I also
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: believe that it was trauma bonding because I just felt like,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: that's between mother and daughter. Don't step into it. And look,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: even today I do feel this way. I wasn't there.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: I'm not filming with you guys, I have no idea
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: what's going on.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: I will always feel like at the end of the day,
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: especially when it comes to mother daughter dynamics, I just
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: felt like it's so deeply rooted that Hona won't nobody
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: getting involved with that mess. And that's why I did
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 4: say that. So I'm going to admit to that, and that's
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: why I owe some real shit. I also was not
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: happy with Evelyn, who I love, but I was like, Evelyn,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: we all know when it comes to your daughter, baby,
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: we can't say nothing nothing about her before you go off.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: And although I'm now understanding now that Evelyn knew way
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: more than what was shown on the show, I still
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: today felt like Evelyn, being a mom, should have, in
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 4: my opinion, said I have to stand on the fact
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 4: that that's between y'all and I'm not gonna get myself
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 4: involved in it. And my apologies are to you too
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: for even me saying that I felt like you're bringing
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 4: a trauma bothering because now that I know more, you
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: guys weren't doing that.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I get it. People can only go off
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: of what they see on the show, right, But somewhere
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: along the way, we've gotten so far off path from
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: the real meat and bones of the situation to just
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: the death threats and all of the things that people
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: are saying. It's like, how do you get that from this? Like,
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: you're telling me how to handle somebody that I has
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: been in my life for thirty two years and you
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: don't know anything about me. You don't know what led
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: to this point. You don't you get what I'm saying.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: So it's it's very hard to digest. And I think
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: that even on the subject of Evelyn, you know, they're like, oh,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: you all have everyone's you want to be her friends
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: so bad? Look what she did to your mom. If
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: you watch this show. On one of the opening scenes,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: it was Jackie and Evelyn. They was out baby shopping
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: and Jackie said, out of her own mouth, I want
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: you to get to know my daughter. I want you
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: to get to know Shanny. She's in town. But now
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: I'm wrong cause I talked to the lady and gave
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: her a conversation like, I just don't people are picking
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: and choosing what they see, and I get it that
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: that's reality TV and whatever, But somewhere along the way,
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: we've just veered so far off from the real in
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: reality TV, and everybody is so used to come sit
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 3: down and have a drink, let's talk about each other.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: Da da da da. I would rather be on TV
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: dealing with the real situation, no matter how traumatic or
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: whatever that may have been with me and my mom.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: I would rather that any day over me sitting here
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: arguing with random castmates that I just met about a
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: bag or a man or This was a real situation
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: and you may not like the way that I handled it,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: but this is my real life and that's what we'll
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: live on.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: Mainly.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 4: Has since released a statement apologizing to Jackie, saying she
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: watched the footage as a mother with a daughter.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: She regrets stepping in, and she regrets it.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: She also has said since then that a lot of
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 4: her castmates have unfollowed her since she released that statement.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: Have you heard from me?
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: Here's what I'll say about me. I was one of
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: the castmates that unfollowed her after her statement was released.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: Me and I from day one from the friends giving event,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: we had a really cool connection. It was I knew
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: of her before basketball wives, from the snob Life brand
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: and everything else, and so meeting her in person someone
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: that was so seemingly like larger than life, and you
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: don't really know what to expect seeing that she was
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: so cool and she was such a girl's girl, and
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: I'm just like, wow, like I really like her, you
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, and vice versa. From that moment forward,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: I felt like we maybe we weren't close as you know,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: Brittany and I have gotten her whatever, but we were
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: really cool. Like she would text me, she would check
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: in on me. I'm texting her back like she's calling
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: me her partner in crime, my piic. We were locked in.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: From my standpoint, leading up to the fight, her opinions
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: were her own. You're seeing Jackie get up and walk away,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: You're saying out of your own mouth that that's wrong,
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: you would never do that to your daughter, etc. So
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: to now get to this point where the whole world
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: is on fire and everybody is talking about this, and
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: this is such a trending topic, and based on one incident,
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: you feel like you owe her this apology, which is fair.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: I get it, Like I understand you, I didn't best
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: explain the way that this fight happened, and so you
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: thought something else happened and you judged Jackie off of it.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: I can understand that. But I feel like what made
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: me unfollow her or what made me feel some sort
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: of way about her is like the other commentary in
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: the statement, like as a mother, I can understand and
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: if I was, but as a daughter you should also
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: be able to understand because you yourself have said you
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: and VICKI have problems. You yourself have said you understand
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: the mother womb. You and yourself have said the things
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: that she did to me during the season on and
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: off camera were wrong. So if you want to apologize
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: to her based on judging her, whatever your commentary was
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: after the fight scene, I understand and I respect that.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: I'm not never gonna take that away from you, and
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: I'm not trying to get anybody on my side. But
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: all of these opinions from all of these castmates were
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: their own. The only person you ever saw me say
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: essentially pick aside to on camera was Jennifer when she said,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: how can I assist you? How can I whatever? And
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: I said, well, you can start by holding her accountable,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: and if she's not gonna be accountable, then you could
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: tell her. I just don't for I want to be
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: around you, because that's the type of person I am.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: I don't I'm not fratnizing with bad mothers or disrespectful people,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: or you get what I'm saying. I don't play like that.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: I don't want you in my space. If that's what
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: you want, and that's what you'll do to your own kid,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: there's no hope for me. So that's what I meant
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: when I said that to Jennifer. I didn't come in
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: Jackie's friend group, mind you. Britney's new, fairly new. Denise
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: is definitely new, Ty is new, Meing is new. This
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: is not Jackie's fring group. Jennifer, Brandy and Evelyn is
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: Jackie's fring group. Okay, cool, But y'all are acting like
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: there's not this new group of people who have formed
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: their own opinions based off of these interactions that they're
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: witnessing on a day to day basis. They were there
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: in Vegas the house when the cameras weren't rolling, they
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: heard the stuff she was saying. So to now get
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: to this space where I feel like some of you
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: are like, oh, how do I you know what I'm saying?
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know how to I'm not looking for a
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: politically correct answer. Was it right or was it wrong?
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: Would you witnessed? Was it right or was it wrong?
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: If you are not basing anything else, not a childhood,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: not a nothing, off of what you experienced over the
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: course of this season, was it right or was it wrong?
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: Do you think she did that for the audience releases
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: the same man?
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know because I never took me really for
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: real as like that type of person. So I was shocked.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: I just quietly unfollowed it and just went on about
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: my day because since if that's how you feel, I
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: respect it. I'm not gonna press you about it. It
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: is what it is, and I just thought that we
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: were better than that, but you just never know.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: My hope is this for you and your mother.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: I obviously I've not said this before, and I know
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: your mom, and I want you to know. I text
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: your mother the night the night I saw it, and
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 4: my exact words your mom was, I love you.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: I'm praying for y'all. This too shall pass because.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 4: I want you to even enough for my spirit, and
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 4: I want to say this to you.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: I love you. I'm praying for you, and this too
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: shall pass. I want to say that too to your
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: face as well, because.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: I know that for me and our situation is vastly different.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 4: I know for me, I had to tell my father
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 4: how I felt. Not for him, it was for me.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 4: I had to release that shit. I had to release
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 4: that pain. I spent twenty eight years of my life
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: thinking my own father does not like me and the
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 4: way he treated me and spoke to me, and I
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 4: had to say to him, this is how I feel.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 4: And I even said to him, Chantell, this has nothing
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: to do with you. I'm doing this for me now. Granted,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 4: in his defense, I said to myself, I'm chantel. I
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: don't know what it's like to be born in nineteen
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 4: forty nine. I don't know what it's like to be
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 4: a black man drinking out of the color water fountain.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it's like to have a father
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 4: who pickedcotton. I don't know what it's like to grow
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: up and at a time where there was no openly
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 4: gay person in the world. I don't know what it's
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: like to be a black man in the fifties, sixties, seventies,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 4: and eighties when I was born. And I had to
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 4: give my father grace because I said to myself, all
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 4: the things you did to me. He didn't abuse me physically,
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 4: nothing like that, right, but the way he treated me
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: and sometimes ignored me. And I said to myself, if
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 4: I put myself in your shoes as a nineteen forty
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: nine born black man at that time, with the tools
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 4: that you had, and then all of a sudden, your son,
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 4: your third born son, comes out as Carlos King like that, Okay.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 4: I had to say to myself, I now know that
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 4: you didn't have the tools to deal with that, and
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 4: I just had to put myself in his shoes to
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 4: understand him more and to forgive him, and me forgiving
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 4: him was for me to release the pain. And now
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 4: we're the best of friends. What I want for you,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 4: your mom, at some point, not today, this year, next year,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 4: is whenever the time is right, because I agree with
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 4: you one thousand percent. I believe God situated this madness
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: for you and her to at some point have whatever
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 4: is meant to have. I don't think this is the
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 4: end of you guys. Do I see you guys being
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 4: best friends? No, I don't, But I do see you
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 4: guys being in a place of coexisting and whatever.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: That looks like for you. I want you to know this.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: For me, I am praying for your mental health.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 4: I'm sure it's difficult to see your altercation be a
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 4: meme and and to have that image displayed for the
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: rest of your life. That one day your daughter has
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 4: to see that, that one day your son has to
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 4: see that. And I want the world to understand that, Yes,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 4: you guys have given them content to work with. But
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 4: what I would like to implore for the audience is, Okay, y'all.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: Got it, and I think at some point enough is enough.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: Enough is enough.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 4: I understand where they're coming from in terms of being
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: a black person, like we don't.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: We just don't treat our moms.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: That you did.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 4: But I also understand I also understand this. I am
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 4: very proud of your generation who are now standing up
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 4: for themselves, saying just because y'all did that that way,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 4: that doesn't mean I have to subscribe to that.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: But I do think.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 4: There's a way for your generation to do things a
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 4: different way where the underlining thing is still respect. And
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 4: that's why I said on my own show, y'all both wrong.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 4: I said that right.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: But I.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 4: Appreciate you so much for having the ability within a
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 4: week to reach out to me and say, let's talk,
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 4: because I have been praying for your family in my
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 4: quiet times. I've been praying for you, your siblings, your father,
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 4: and you and your mom because.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that feels like.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 4: And I want you to walk away today with an
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 4: understanding of forgiveness and whatever that looks like for you
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 4: at the time that it looks like.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: And I want the world.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 4: To chill out when it comes to that me being
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 4: out there, because it's not an image that I think
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 4: it's funny anymore. It was never funny for me. But
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 4: I think, I think, I think we have to stop
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 4: for your mental health.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I agree. I think that it's hard
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: for people to maybe have sympathy for me because they
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 3: just see my anger. They just see me on tin, right,
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: And you don't when you don't really understand the backstory,
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 3: you don't have the pleasure to sit down and have
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: these sort of conversations with me. You're judging a book
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 3: by its cover or by this small efsert that you've
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: seen on social media or TV or whatever. I just
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: I have to for my own mental health just stop
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: feeding into it, you know, like people say, oh, well,
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: why did you turn your comments? So I've turned the
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 3: comments back, going this is my page. I will protect
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 3: my piece here by all means necessary. Now, if I
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 3: make my way to the blogs and I want to
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 3: and I want to dispute my truth or argue what
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: a random stranger would, I could do that. But as
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 3: far as for as for me at my house, We're not.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: We're not gonna do that. I'm not gonna sit here
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 3: and let thousands of people comment and say vile things
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 3: and judge me off of how I handle the situation
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 3: that is very painful and real to me, Like nobody
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 3: is perfect and it sucks that this will, you know,
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: live on. I think that it's interesting that there have
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: been there have been several fights in the history of
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: basketball wives that never seen the light of day, that
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: have been blurred out or cut out or whatever it
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: may have been. And so I think that it's interesting
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 3: that this one did see the light of day in
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: its entirety, and I don't know why that is, but
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: I think when I really sit with it, outside of
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 3: all of the hate that I've received, I have one
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 3: hundreds of messages Carlos from people that are saying, I
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: see you, I get it, I understand. I've been in
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 3: this situation before, and even though I don't agree with
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 3: the way that you handled it, or I don't agree
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: with the image of you put in your hands on
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 3: or whatever it may be, I have sympathy for you.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: I have empathy for you. Things that maybe people won't
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 3: say publicly I've received privately. So because of that, I
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 3: know that there is a light at the end of
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 3: the tunnel. And I can't get too down on myself
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 3: right now. You know, Like I've had the pleasure of
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  Speaker 3: that happened in Hawaii at like the top of the year,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like we're at the end
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  Speaker 3: of summer now. I've had months to sit with it,
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  Speaker 3: to heal from it, to go through therapy, to talk
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  Speaker 3: to the people closes to therapy. Yes, absolutely, I've been
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  Speaker 3: in therapy for like a decade. Job what I know
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  Speaker 3: people would be like, how are you in therapy. Acting
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  Speaker 3: like that. Sometimes you can when you're not around your
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  Speaker 3: triggers or you're not around those traumatic situations, you can
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  Speaker 3: just suppress them. But when you get in it and
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  Speaker 3: you're right face to face with something that you've been
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  Speaker 3: battling for so long, it's so hard to think of
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  Speaker 3: all of the tips and the tricks and the things
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  Speaker 3: that you've learned, and you know, the acupressure points, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm not thinking about none of that. I'm spiraling right now,
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  Speaker 3: and I want y'all to leave me alone. You get
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  Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: I get it.
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  Speaker 3: So I just I'm going to continue to give myself grace.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to continue to hold myself accountable. I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to continue to just try to grow and be better.
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  Speaker 3: Like you know, even in my green screens, Like I said,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what happened to my mom or what
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  Speaker 3: made her this way or whatever that may be, but
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  Speaker 3: I know that somewhere along the way, she made a
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  Speaker 3: conscious decision, and she continues to make a conscious decision
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  Speaker 3: not to get the help that she probably needs and
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  Speaker 3: not to go to therapy and address the things that
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  Speaker 3: she may feel about herself, about her kids, about her
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  Speaker 3: whatever that may look like for her. I'm doing the
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  Speaker 3: necessary work to change that in my life so that
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't bleed onto my kids. And that's the silver
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  Speaker 3: lining in all of this is that I really do
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  Speaker 3: feel like I broke the cycle. It was done in
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  Speaker 3: a very messy, crazy way. Sometimes that's just how it goes,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm okay with that. If my kids grow up
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  Speaker 3: one day and see that footage, am I proud of it?
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  Speaker 6: No?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely not, Like that's insane. Who would be proud of it?
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  Speaker 3: But that is why I wanted to take the time
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  Speaker 3: to sit down with you today so that my side
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  Speaker 3: of the story and my take on things right, because
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 3: of course there's always three sides mine, hers and the
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  Speaker 3: truth and everything. I get what people saying, but I
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: wanted this to live on somewhere in some part of
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  Speaker 3: the Internet that this is how I felt, this is
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  Speaker 3: what I was dealing with, this is what I was battling,
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  Speaker 3: this is what caused me to arrive at this point.
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  Speaker 3: And all I can do going forward is just be better.
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  Speaker 3: Like that's really it. That's all that you can ask for.
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  Speaker 3: I can't go and change it. I can't go back
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  Speaker 3: and not put your hand off of me. I just
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 3: have to move forward. And that's the problem with social
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 3: media and the society today. They don't want you to
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 3: move forward. They actually would drag this on for as
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 3: long as they could, if they possibly could. But there
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: will always be a new story, a new headline, a
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 3: new news cycle, and y'all will be picking on somebody
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 3: else tomorrow, you know what I'm saying. And because of that,
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 3: that's what kind of keeps me afloat. I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: y'all just don't know no.
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  Speaker 2: Better no, Like I said, what's next for Chantel.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie to you, Carlos, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: And that's okay, Yeah, that's okay. You don't have to know, Chantel.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want you to do anything, honestly, I want
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  Speaker 4: you to continue to heal. I want you to continue
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  Speaker 4: to be in therapy. I want you to continue being
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 4: a mom and.
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  Speaker 2: A wife, and.
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  Speaker 4: Don't feel the need to rush into the next thing.
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  Speaker 4: I want, thousand percent agree with you. God's hands is
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  Speaker 4: in everything, and it's up to you and your mom
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  Speaker 4: to figure out that relationship. But more importantly, Chantelle's up
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  Speaker 4: to you to figure out how to be an extension
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  Speaker 4: of a mother and a wife, and a woman and
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 4: a daughter and a sister moving forward. And that's the
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  Speaker 4: only thing I want for you. Don't rush anything as
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  Speaker 4: of now, and I thank you for this.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, my love, appreciate anytime. It was exactly what
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  Speaker 2: that means the world to me.
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  Speaker 1: Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King,
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  Speaker 1: produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership with the Lack
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