Latest / Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo / Mark & Amber Archer: Growing Intolerance Of Christianity, Free Speech

Transcript

Mark & Amber Archer: Growing Intolerance Of Christianity, Free Speech · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

• 0:00
  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
• 0:10
  defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
• 0:16
  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
• 0:20
  Friends, family and Christ, thank you so much for tuning in.
• 0:23
  And as always, watching, listening, and sharing the podcast, we are getting out there,
• 0:28
  thanks God and thanks to you.
• 0:31
  Special treat today, I've got my friends Mark and Amber Archer with Fearless Features in
• 0:38
  studio.
• 0:39
  There's the website.
• 0:40
  I forgot to give that to you, FearlessFeatures.org.
• 0:44
  Guys, welcome.
• 0:45
  Thank you for coming in.
• 0:46
  Thank you for having us.
• 0:47
  Thank you for having us.
• 0:48
  So, what are you in town for?
• 0:49
  Well, we're making a movie.
• 0:51
  The principalities, we've talked about that before.
• 0:54
  But we do have newer viewers and listeners so that maybe didn't catch previous podcasts
• 0:59
  to know what you've been working on and what you are working on.
• 1:02
  Do you want to give us a quick rundown?
• 1:04
  Go ahead.
• 1:05
  Well, we just started a new documentary film about spiritual warfare.
• 1:11
  We've gone through the issue of life, the issue of transgenderism, the pornographic books
• 1:16
  in schools, just the law fair, everything that is really attacking our families and our
• 1:23
  kids.
• 1:24
  So, that's what we do through our nonprofit Fearless Features to make documentary films
• 1:28
  about the issues about culture.
• 1:29
  Awesome.
• 1:30
  Can I spill the beans about Mr. Newman?
• 1:33
  Oh, sure.
• 1:34
  So, Alex Newman, a friend of this podcast, he's going to be in Prince Palace, the interview
• 1:39
  him last night.
• 1:40
  Before we get into the topic today, though, I want to mention Mark's book.
• 1:43
  I have it in hand.
• 1:45
  Personal delivery.
• 1:46
  Now, he can't bring it to all of you, but you can order this.
• 1:49
  You said it is on Amazon.
• 1:50
  It is on Amazon.
• 1:51
  It has compromised a prodigal journey, a prodigal journey home.
• 1:55
  You want to just give us, see, there's the effect I was talking about in the course.
• 1:58
  So, cool.
• 1:59
  Would you give a brief synopsis of the book?
• 2:04
  Compromised is basically my autobiography, so people in following our journey together
• 2:09
  doing Fearless Features and doing these films, people have asked many times, well, how
• 2:14
  did you get to doing this?
• 2:17
  So, to understand our story together doing Fearless Features, you have to understand our
• 2:23
  individual stories.
• 2:24
  And so, I started with mine, and kind of where I started, and how I was a train wreck for
• 2:31
  a long period of my adult life.
• 2:33
  How much of the book is that?
• 2:35
  Most of it.
• 2:36
  Most of it is train wreck.
• 2:37
  Yeah.
• 2:38
  It's somebody who read an early copy said, it feels like one big apology letter to the
• 2:44
  Lord as what it is, and that's really what it boils down to.
• 2:49
  It's me trying to save other men from the mistakes I made by talking about the journey
• 2:55
  that I was on.
• 2:56
  And it's just an odd journey because it's in Hollywood doing films.
• 3:01
  I bet you it was somewhat therapeutic, writing, getting it all down, getting it out.
• 3:06
  Some of it was, yeah.
• 3:07
  Some of it was painful to relive.
• 3:09
  Really?
• 3:10
  Even though, you know, God's forgiven you, given you grace, and accepted you, and you're
• 3:14
  loved, and it's still hard, huh?
• 3:16
  To go back and...
• 3:18
  Yeah, there were some things that I was talking to a friend of mine last night from high
• 3:25
  school, and he's in the book.
• 3:29
  And he had read it, and so he called me and he was kind of giving me his feedback.
• 3:34
  And I said, you know, there's actually some things that I wrote in the original draft
• 3:38
  that I took out because it was, I thought, why, this is really painful stuff.
• 3:43
  You really should just, it's time to just let this go.
• 3:45
  So from a therapeutic standpoint, yeah.
• 3:47
  Okay.
• 3:48
  I wrote it down and went, okay, I'm done with that.
• 3:50
  Just delete.
• 3:51
  Oh, good stuff.
• 3:53
  So friends, you can get this on Amazon, Compromise, fearlessfeatures.org, and you're going
• 3:59
  to be coming up, you're in town to work on principalities, but you'll be coming back
• 4:05
  to Wisconsin.
• 4:06
  Yes, we will.
• 4:07
  Well, May 1st and 2nd in Green Bay, the World View Matters conference, we're calling it
• 4:12
  a Biblical summit, but friends, we're going to get that website.
• 4:16
  It's very close to being up and running.
• 4:18
  We'll get the registration connected so you can register for the conference.
• 4:22
  And I'll give you more details as the weeks go on and the months progress here.
• 4:27
  So another thing I wanted to talk to you about, and we think we did a little bit on one
• 4:32
  of the podcasts.
• 4:34
  Actually the last time we spoke since Charlie Kirk's assassination, that is something
• 4:40
  America and especially even, I think the church is never going to be the same since then.
• 4:45
  And from reasons that I don't think a lot of people realize, and that is how the left
• 4:51
  and how some are justifying his murder, his assassination, some are justifying violence
• 4:59
  because of the words we speak.
• 5:02
  I think we've got to continue to warn other believers, especially people that maybe have
• 5:07
  a podcast, maybe our writers, maybe our out-of-the-public eye, we're up against a really different
• 5:13
  kind of spiritual warfare.
• 5:15
  Let me talk before we jump into this great article by Richard Harris over at Town Hall.
• 5:20
  You've had death threats, and this was BK before Charlie Kirk's assassination because
• 5:27
  of what you do.
• 5:29
  So have you seen the resistance and the actual pushback increasing through the years?
• 5:35
  I'm guessing the answer is yes, but do you want to touch on that real quick?
• 5:38
  Well, I think yes and no.
• 5:40
  There have been, it just, it really depends on where you're at.
• 5:43
  What do you mean?
• 5:44
  Well, it's isolated, it seems like in some places.
• 5:48
  Or I mean geographically, right now, okay.
• 5:50
  And it depends if you're going on a college campus, which the college campus is where
• 5:55
  we really started to see the death threats.
• 5:58
  If you're going to a church, you don't necessarily see those that much.
• 6:01
  There are people who come to try to disrupt and disturb, but it's never anything where
• 6:07
  it's violent harm, you know, being threatened against yourself or others.
• 6:13
  But it has been the college campuses, was really the leading point for-
• 6:18
  Wait a minute.
• 6:19
  Don't they pride themselves on being tolerant?
• 6:23
  Yeah, it's in Christian College campus, too.
• 6:26
  Yeah, yeah, we got, we got nasty.
• 6:31
  There was one Christian college we were going to show dysphoria and we got a death
• 6:36
  threat in the email on the way up there.
• 6:39
  Yeah, an hour before the show.
• 6:40
  Yeah, and so we had a contact, the authorities were like, hey, this was going on.
• 6:44
  And they were very gracious.
• 6:45
  I mean, everybody at the college campus, police knew what was happening.
• 6:50
  They brought in the local police just to make sure that everybody was going to be safe.
• 6:54
  But I mean, I'm thankful that people take it seriously enough because you just never
• 6:59
  know who's out there.
• 7:00
  How did you follow up on that or did you just track down where that threat came from?
• 7:04
  We did not, we did not, we just, it came through with the website email.
• 7:09
  And so really there was nothing, nobody pursued it or wanted to pursue it any further, but
• 7:14
  just wanted to make sure that there was coverage.
• 7:16
  Yeah, there's, there's only so much you can do.
• 7:20
  I sent it to a police detective friend of ours and he, and he looked at it and he, he said,
• 7:30
  well, you know, there's, it's, it's a veiled threat.
• 7:33
  There's not much you can do, but, you know, we'll log it and make note of it.
• 7:38
  Yeah, and you can't really tell where, right, country, right, right, right.
• 7:43
  And that's the thing you can't live in fear, right?
• 7:45
  So you, you have to realize that there's, there's people that they, they feel empowered
• 7:51
  because they don't have to face you.
• 7:53
  No one, no one yet has keyboard, yeah, keyboard commandos, they, we haven't had anybody
• 7:59
  who's actually come and gotten in our faces, you know, Charlie Kirkstell.
• 8:04
  So, but they do feel empowered when they, when they can sit in mom's basement.
• 8:09
  So the last time we had you on, we talked about your trip to Colorado, and Amber going
• 8:17
  down to the lobby and interviewing us, which are a satanist of both, and, and you guys
• 8:23
  being canceled by a church.
• 8:25
  Oh, yeah.
• 8:26
  Yeah.
• 8:27
  Yeah.
• 8:28
  Yeah.
• 8:29
  That now for, if you missed that episode, guys, go to worldviewmatters.tv type in Mark and
• 8:34
  Amber, archer, if you just type in Mark and Amber, it should come up.
• 8:38
  And you shared details on that story.
• 8:40
  I guess for some of our viewers and listeners, they don't understand how Christians would
• 8:46
  not be open to what you guys do.
• 8:51
  Can you give us a little bit of, you know, you're, you're, what you've learned and what
• 8:56
  you're seeing in the, like the body of Christ.
• 9:00
  Well, first, I think just remember that even the apostles were rejected for the truth
• 9:09
  that they can, they continually spoke everywhere they went.
• 9:12
  And so, yeah, I think of the stoning of Stephen and, um, appall at, uh, Philippi or Ephesus,
• 9:18
  I can't remember which one right now, but, you know, they spoke truth and were continually
• 9:23
  just beaten down for those things literally.
• 9:26
  And so it's, there's nothing new under the sun.
• 9:29
  And so when we see the resistance today, and we look at it and go, within the church,
• 9:34
  within the church.
• 9:35
  That was a little different.
• 9:36
  They're, they're preaching a whole new way to be saved, a whole new Messiah, a whole
• 9:40
  new, that's true.
• 9:41
  Jesus, they were preaching to the, the Jews were offended because, wait a minute, that
• 9:45
  means we got it wrong, right?
• 9:47
  Yeah.
• 9:48
  So this is in the body of Christ.
• 9:49
  This is just truth about biology and God's creation that you're talking about.
• 9:54
  The interesting thing that I would add to that is that it's, when we can get in front
• 10:00
  of, so we, you know, we, we were part of a church that, where this is perfect example
• 10:06
  of this, where you see that it's not so much, if it's not so much the church body, it's
• 10:13
  the leadership that's the gatekeepers.
• 10:17
  And so from that standpoint, I look at it as a guy who's worked in Hollywood his whole
• 10:23
  life and I go, you, you're no different.
• 10:25
  You're, you're no different from the Hollywood gatekeepers who just flat out tell you that
• 10:30
  they hate you and what you stand for versus the, the glad handing, you know, church leaders
• 10:35
  who will tell you what the Jesus smile that they, that they love you, but they're not
• 10:40
  going to let you in.
• 10:41
  And they'll, they'll lie to your face the same way.
• 10:44
  So the, what's really behind it is it's, it's the, it's the, I think the inevitable results
• 10:53
  of the prosperity gospel and the secret sensitive movement where they're, they're, they're,
• 11:00
  the lot of churches, not all, but a lot of these churches, they're run by, by corporate
• 11:04
  brand managers.
• 11:05
  And so they see it as their, yeah, as, as their duty before the Lord to protect the wealth
• 11:12
  of the church.
• 11:13
  So anything that might cause any kind of ripple, right, then they're, they're not going
• 11:17
  to let it in.
• 11:18
  And they just ignore you.
• 11:21
  It's not surprising.
• 11:22
  It is prophetic.
• 11:23
  I mean, if you read 2 Timothy 3 and other places in scripture, sad that even people in
• 11:30
  the church would go astray or not want to support what you guys are doing, but so it's
• 11:35
  not surprising.
• 11:36
  It is disappointing though.
• 11:37
  And it's month for you guys when you're traveling and you're on the road, you travel
• 11:42
  halfway across the country.
• 11:43
  And then a church says, no, I'm sorry, we changed our mind.
• 11:46
  Yeah.
• 11:47
  Oh, you've got more patients than I think I would have at least I think so I wasn't there
• 11:53
  with you.
• 11:54
  I didn't see your reaction in the moment.
• 11:55
  It was cool.
• 11:56
  It was cool.
• 11:57
  But we're, but we're independent filmmakers and as such, we're entrepreneurs and we reacted
• 12:02
  very quickly and within and know about an hour and a half, we had another location
• 12:06
  lined up.
• 12:07
  Praise God.
• 12:08
  Okay.
• 12:09
  So now the topic, there's an article, friends, I want to let you know about it.
• 12:13
  This is what we're going to go through right now because I think this is so well written.
• 12:17
  We just had Richard Harris on the podcast a couple of weeks ago.
• 12:21
  It's called the deadly lie that words are violence threatens to destroy America's republic.
• 12:30
  I said that very slow because I absolutely agree with the premise and this title.
• 12:38
  So Richard, let's just start off with the foundation for individual rights and expression
• 12:44
  did a survey and you guys have seen the article 90% 90% of college students in America believe
• 12:56
  that words are violence.
• 12:59
  So this means America is in serious trouble.
• 13:02
  That means their reaction is going to be different if you believe it's not just someone's
• 13:07
  actions, it's what they say and for us and for the Charlie Kirkson, for others, it's
• 13:13
  what we believe the biblical worldview about the truth of God.
• 13:19
  That is now, well, hate speech we've known that for years, but it's, this says 90% of college
• 13:26
  students believe words are violence and this worldview is, it's incompatible with
• 13:32
  America's ideals and how we were founded.
• 13:35
  So Amber, could you speak to that first and then Mark?
• 13:37
  Yeah, well, when we read the article, the first thing I thought is Mark and I just through
• 13:42
  the research that we've done, especially as we're making these documentaries and especially
• 13:45
  when we were working on dysphoria and the transgenderism and all the confusion that's happening.
• 13:51
  And we've stated many times we are going to see the most violent generation America has
• 13:57
  ever encountered and you really, you really start to see it because a lot of what we, you
• 14:02
  know, researched and learned doing the mind polluters was how the teachers are educated
• 14:07
  and how are, and so it continues to trickle down and average generation seems to be getting
• 14:12
  worse and worse.
• 14:13
  And now we're just telling kids flat out lies and they have no idea, physical reality
• 14:18
  is not even reality to them anymore.
• 14:21
  And so it's, it's very alarming, especially reading that, but I do tend to agree.
• 14:28
  For the devil, that's good marketing when you can get someone to believe that, well,
• 14:34
  I'm a girl or I'm a woman, you know, I mean, well, my goodness that they really can
• 14:38
  believe that, Mark.
• 14:40
  I think there's one of the things that I've held on to was, I think it's a Tom McDonald
• 14:47
  song.
• 14:48
  No, Tom McDonald, he's a rapper, he's got a bunch of tattoos on his face, he's, he's a
• 14:55
  little odd, but some of the stuff that he does is really good.
• 14:59
  And he says in, in one of his songs, there's a difference between hate speech and speech
• 15:03
  that you hate, right?
• 15:07
  And this, because of the, what this generation has been taught through the education system,
• 15:16
  social, emotional learning in particular, has taught them that feeling is everything, facts
• 15:21
  are inconsequential.
• 15:22
  And so if everything is dictated by feeling and you say something that makes me uncomfortable,
• 15:26
  then of course it's violent.
• 15:28
  And he does a great job in that article of weighing that out, it's exactly, it's exactly
• 15:34
  right on.
• 15:35
  Richard Harris writes, it is an historically grounded assessment of where our nation is
• 15:41
  headed.
• 15:42
  If we do not wake up and restore the education system in this country, so this is a very
• 15:48
  broad issue when it comes to government corporations, the corporate world, social media, our culture,
• 15:55
  but he says, that's the root of the problem, education, you've talked a lot about that.
• 16:00
  I mean, you just talked to Mr. Newman about that.
• 16:03
  Well, the focus of all of our films is education.
• 16:05
  I mean, when we started with the sanctity of life and you know, ended up interviewing the
• 16:10
  abortionist and then he dies and they find over 2,000 fetal remains at his home and
• 16:14
  car.
• 16:15
  And we get done with that and we say, now, how is this happening?
• 16:19
  What is going on?
• 16:20
  And then that's when really the Lord led us to focusing on education and that really
• 16:25
  has been what the last, you know, three films have been about is all about the education
• 16:29
  system and who's educating who?
• 16:32
  So let me read this quote now, Mark, I'll ask you to respond to this.
• 16:36
  This is from the article, the lie that words are violence is a convenient idea for the
• 16:41
  loser of an argument.
• 16:44
  Self-dust ideology cannot withstand open debate.
• 16:48
  It always collapses under the weight of historical reality, moral truth and the eternal principles
• 16:55
  enshrined in America's founding documents.
• 16:58
  Yeah, it's spot on and it doesn't, you know, I have watched this, I mean, you've worked
• 17:08
  in Hollywood, right?
• 17:10
  And you see, we saw this year decades ago and it was always just the weirdness of LA
• 17:17
  in Hollywood and the entertainment show business crowd, but it has become so absurd that then
• 17:26
  it was part of humor, it was part of comedy, right?
• 17:31
  Now, and even then, I didn't realize until it started showing up in mainstream doctrine
• 17:40
  and in the churches looking back that this, it was all part of the conditioning that was
• 17:45
  happening, right?
• 17:46
  We were taught in the, from the 80s, you look back, the hair bands, they were masculine,
• 17:52
  but they all dress like women, right?
• 17:55
  And in the 90s, it started, you started to see the heavy metal groups embracing, you
• 18:00
  know, Marilyn Manson, guys like that that would kind of run with this androgynous look
• 18:06
  and it was being pushed and then it was everything was, you know, one man's ceiling is another
• 18:11
  man's floor, all these pop phrases that came in through entertainment culture.
• 18:18
  So it's the natural outcropping of what's been going on for generations now.
• 18:24
  It's very interesting, I'd to continue to go through and just read a couple of points
• 18:28
  here, the numbers from this survey say nearly 40% 39, let's just say nearly 40% of young adults
• 18:39
  said political violence can be acceptable in certain circumstances.
• 18:44
  And another poll found that nearly a quarter of young voters said America was better off
• 18:50
  after Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
• 18:52
  Now, you guys aren't surprised by this, I'm not surprised by this.
• 18:56
  It's a little disheartening knowing the history of America, and I wrote a chapter in one
• 19:02
  of the books, my recent book called What Would Our Great Grandparents Think.
• 19:07
  And that's the question I put out there to our viewers a lot, what would our, we're
• 19:11
  just talking about now people justifying violence and saying, yeah, he's better off
• 19:15
  and saying the most vile things and not being ashamed to say it.
• 19:19
  And I think, well, what would our great grandparents think?
• 19:21
  And then I ask, what changed?
• 19:25
  Where is the church?
• 19:25
  What changed and where is the church going?
• 19:28
  No, that's the first thing I thought, as soon as I read that and I thought, where is the church?
• 19:32
  How can, how can that many, how can that many young people really believe that that is acceptable?
• 19:39
  I mean, it's a foundation, it is, it is, you know, it's, it's foundational to society.
• 19:46
  And, and you look at it and you think, wow, where, where is the outreach to this youth?
• 19:53
  What has happened?
• 19:55
  When you said that, where is the church?
• 19:56
  John R.W. Stott, I believe this, if I remember this quote right, he said, we should not ask,
• 20:03
  what's wrong with this world?
• 20:05
  Because that diagnosis has already been given.
• 20:07
  We should ask, what has happened to the salt and light?
• 20:11
  And then, and that's, I wrote a book, The Cost of Our Silence, about in 2015.
• 20:17
  The, where is the church on these issues?
• 20:18
  Why has some of this evil progressed in our culture and people are now proud about it, proud to do evil?
• 20:26
  It really is amazing.
• 20:28
  Evil is called good, good is called evil, Isaiah 520, but because the church has not preached
• 20:34
  on sin or talked about, there are any moral guidelines, it's just okay, let's just, you
• 20:39
  mentioned the seek your sensitive church.
• 20:41
  Yep.
• 20:42
  Okay, let's not talk about that to make them feel uncomfortable or offend them.
• 20:45
  Right.
• 20:46
  And you think, well, what about, I mean, the gospel, what about repentance?
• 20:51
  You know, I, there, there's a story that I told in Compromised and again, I am not laying
• 20:57
  the blame for my actions on another man, but I, as a young man, just coming out of high
• 21:04
  school and I, I was one of those kids that was hard to reach for the youth, the youth
• 21:11
  pastor, he tried to have a ministry to me, but I just didn't fit in because I wasn't,
• 21:17
  it was kind of a secret sensitive youth group, right?
• 21:19
  So I was not an athlete, I was not a musician and so I didn't fit in and so I was always
• 21:25
  kind of on the, on the outskirts of that.
• 21:28
  And then he was caught having an affair in the church, in the TV studio.
• 21:37
  And that was all it took to push me over the edge and I went, see, hypocrites, they're
• 21:41
  a bunch of hypocrites.
• 21:43
  Now for those that are listening, guess what, yes, they're a bunch of hypocrites, there's
• 21:47
  room for more.
• 21:48
  So come on in, right?
• 21:49
  And so the church needs the hypocrites to come in and stop being hypocrites, that's, that's
• 21:53
  the point of the gospel.
• 21:54
  We can't believe.
• 21:55
  So, I don't know where I was going with that, but it was, well, let's, we've were down
• 22:01
  to five minutes, I already believe it or not.
• 22:04
  But I'll just read a little bit more from the article, it's just so well written, thank
• 22:08
  you, Richard Harris.
• 22:10
  He said the disciples gathered publicly, they reasoned in synagogues, proclaimed the truth,
• 22:16
  boldly, and suffered imprisonment, beatings, and death, not for harm they caused, but because
• 22:24
  authoritarian powers feared the strength of their speech and I'll, we'll talk it another,
• 22:32
  I'll take it another step, they feared the truth.
• 22:34
  And they feared the truth about Jesus Christ.
• 22:37
  And so knowing that America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles and values and knowing
• 22:42
  where we are now when it comes to the threats against free speech, it really kind of is a
• 22:48
  head scratcher.
• 22:49
  It's one of those things where it had to have been a gradual decline, right, of our freedoms.
• 22:56
  I know where I was going with that and to go ahead to riff off what you were just saying
• 23:00
  there, when you say what has happened to the church, in the case of what I saw as a young
• 23:05
  man was, I saw how the church handled it, that I didn't perceive that there was, that it
• 23:13
  had really been handled, it was, yes, he was removed, but it was kind of brushed under
• 23:19
  the rug and, you know, let's just move on.
• 23:20
  And I'm telling you, what we're seeing with our films is people of all generations,
• 23:26
  but especially the younger generations, they are dying for truth and truth and consequences.
• 23:35
  They want to know that if you say something's wrong, that if it's violated, that there's
• 23:40
  going to be real consequence to it, there's this interesting schism happening where some
• 23:45
  of them say, no, there shouldn't be, right, because words are violence.
• 23:51
  So I should be able to say what I want, but you can't say what you want.
• 23:54
  So there's the hypocrisy there, but people are dying for anything genuine because we
• 24:00
  naturally perceive when people are lying to us.
• 24:06
  So what's happened to the church is it's just gotten very managed.
• 24:12
  They don't want to address these things, right?
• 24:14
  And that's what's so sad, so many churches and pastors, some of them, you quite frankly
• 24:20
  have to put pastor in air quotes, so they want to address the most pressing issues of
• 24:25
  morality that their congregants need to hear about.
• 24:29
  They need to be informed about, even if they're not dealing with them, they need to be able
• 24:33
  to know how to respond to what's going on outside of church walls.
• 24:37
  One more quote here, just kind of like a conclusion to this article and there's more that we
• 24:41
  couldn't get to for the sake of time, but it says, the scripture affirms what the founders
• 24:47
  later enshrined that freedom of conscience, freedom of speech and freedom of assembly
• 24:52
  are essential for the life of a moral, self-governing society.
• 25:00
  And so I think we need to wrap it up, but frankly, he also calls out the Democrat Party,
• 25:07
  teachers unions, universities, media, and the woke notions that words are violence.
• 25:15
  These are lies and the wackos will react to the lies that's someone like the murderer
• 25:25
  of Charlie Kurt.
• 25:26
  Well, some people are being told what to think and not how to think, and they don't even
• 25:31
  know what the truth is.
• 25:32
  And that's going on for a half century almost.
• 25:34
  Yeah.
• 25:35
  Well, the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
• 25:38
  And so when the church lost its reverence for the Lord and the gospel, then it stopped
• 25:43
  being able to teach people how to fear the Lord.
• 25:46
  So we don't have any wisdom.
• 25:48
  We have a bunch of knowledge in the form of social media and Wikipedia.
• 25:53
  Well, you can find out anything in an instant, but if you have no way of perceiving what
• 25:58
  to do with it, because you don't have the Lord, you don't have wisdom.
• 26:02
  You don't have discernment.
• 26:03
  Yeah.
• 26:04
  You know, that's the word of the year, I think.
• 26:06
  We've been talking about that on every other podcast I've done so far, discernment.
• 26:10
  So guys, you're in Wisconsin, where are you headed after this?
• 26:14
  Texas.
• 26:15
  So you're going home first?
• 26:16
  Back Indiana.
• 26:17
  Yeah.
• 26:18
  And then you're heading out to Texas, and then how many more places do you have to go before
• 26:22
  you wrap up interviews?
• 26:23
  Well, that should be the last of the interviews, and then we go into editorial.
• 26:28
  There's some other stuff we have to film, but we're not, we haven't scheduled any of that
• 26:34
  yet, because we've got to see, we know we had some fabulous interviews yet to go.
• 26:38
  So will principalities be available in May?
• 26:43
  We hope so.
• 26:44
  That's the plan.
• 26:45
  Maybe.
• 26:46
  Yeah.
• 26:47
  Okay, we hope so too.
• 26:48
  Any closing thoughts?
• 26:49
  We've got about a minute, you guys.
• 26:52
  Closing thoughts.
• 26:53
  Closing thoughts.
• 26:54
  We love you in your show.
• 26:55
  We love everybody here.
• 26:56
  We're so accommodating.
• 26:57
  Thank you.
• 26:58
  Yes.
• 26:59
  It's been great.
• 27:00
  Yes.
• 27:01
  Well, thank you guys so much.
• 27:02
  It's so good to have you in studio.
• 27:03
  You're awesome.
• 27:04
  Yeah.
• 27:05
  Great to meet you too.
• 27:06
  To be continued.
• 27:08
  Friends, again, fearlessfeatures.org.
• 27:11
  You can support their ministry too, obviously, by giving, but you can check out Mark's book,
• 27:16
  compromised.
• 27:17
  Make sure you can get that on their store or at Amazon, Amazon.com.
• 27:22
  It's up there now.
• 27:23
  I encourage you to support what they do.
• 27:27
  It's probably not fun all the time, because it is the subject matter you guys deal with.
• 27:35
  Because I write about some of it too, so I understand, but it's important to get out
• 27:38
  to the body of Christ.
• 27:40
  Thank you guys so much.
• 27:41
  God bless you.
• 27:42
  And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.