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Episode 794: Rediscovering Myself Through Running with Aaron Klein · The Trauma Therapist

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Or welcome back to the Trauma Therapist Podcast. My name is Gamiferson. My
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Trauma Therapist Project dot com. Let's get started. So five four, three,
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two and one, our folks, welcome back to the podcast. Very
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excited to have as my guess say Aaron Klein. Aaron, welcome, Hi,
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Thanks guy, all right, good to meet you. Thanks so much
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for joining me today. So Aaron got into no Headphones Running in twenty twenty
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three unknowingly. It quickly transcended into a lifestyle choice and a form of self
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therapy that has unlocked a lot of self examination and has allowed him to explore
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his curiosities. Aaron lives an alcohol free lifestyle nearing nine years as of January
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twenty fourth of Booze Free Living. He's an advocate of healthy living and in
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general exploring curiosities that come up. One thing he preaches is this never give
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up all right eron welcome. So before we could go into here, share
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with the listeners where you're from originally and where you are currently. I mean,
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so if we go all the way back to my early life originally,
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I'm from the Bay Area, grew up in Sunnyvale, California, lived a
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little bit of time there until I moved up to Washington State in nineteen ninety
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three. I was a about eight years old, and so I've been up
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up here in Washington State ever since. My wife and I spent a small
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little portion of time about two years down in San Diego. But we move
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back up to Washington in November of twenty nineteen to deal with the perfect weather.
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No, couldn't deal with the perfect weather now, couldn't deal with it.
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Now. We missed home. We found out we were having a child,
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and so we didn't have a support system down there like we do up
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here. So we just made the trek back home and I bought a couple
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acres of property and we now have our horses at our house. And so
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yeah, we're up here in Port Orchard, Washington, which is in a
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general puge of sound area just across the bay from Seattle. So awesome.
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So your bio was interesting in that it is short, but it seems to
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me that there's a lot behind it. So how did this all start for
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you? This whole idea of no headphones running, That you would even make
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that kind of distinction, I think is very curious to me. But how
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did all this start for you? So I've been a runner for a little
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while. I ran a few half marathons and kind of hung up my shoes
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for a little bit after I had a knee injury and just kind of had
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this this false assumption that you know, running actually is bad for you,
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and so I fell back into it in twenty twenty three. Honestly, what
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happened was I was just having one of those days at work where it was
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just everything was compounding. I was just staring at my screen. I just
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I got to this mode where I just couldn't handle it, and so I
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shut my laptop and I just went I found myself downstairs putting my running shoes
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on, and I just left the house. I had no phone, no
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nothing, and I just went for a run. I ended up going for
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thing, it was like an eight mile run, which is pretty crazy for
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me after not having run you know, more than three miles and probably the
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last year and a half or so since my last race and since my injury.
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And I just found myself going and going, and I was spent the
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time to just process stuff. And you know, I was a crazy person
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out there. I was having conversations with myself. I was talking out loud.
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I was talking to this person that in that moment was kind of even
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me off, and you know, having these fake conversations, and I kind
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of just got done and I went, wow, like, I feel amazing,
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I feel great, and so like I just I and I recognize,
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you know, the feel good feelings that you generally get from running, but
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there was something more profound after that run, specifically for me, and I
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made the connection of Okay, I think I was undistracted by podcasts, music.
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I was really like spending time with myself, which I don't tend to
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do often, and so I just got honestly, I just got really curious
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about it. And I said, you know, hey, a couple of
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days from now, I'm going to do that again and see what happened.
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And then I did it again and again and again, and it just kind
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of collesced and turned into this thing for me. And then you know,
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I decided I'm going to run my first full marathon a few weeks after kind
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of getting back into running. Well, actually it was going to be a
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half marathon, and then I kind of shared it with my wife, and
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because I'm a very suggestive person, she asked me the simple question of,
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hey, do you think you'll ever run a full marathon? And so that
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kind of got bouncing around in my mind, and I came upstairs for a
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few hours and came back down and said, Hey, I'm going to run
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a full marathon. And so I made this goal with myself to do all
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of my training without headphones. And so that's just kind of what it turned
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into. And yeah, that's the general. So in terms of self exploration
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and curiosity, what did you discover about yourself? Were there any I guess
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challenges? I mean, did you find that maybe you were in fact anxiously
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distracting yourself and this was something different or how did that work for you?
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That's really good question. I found that I think that we're I don't want
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a blanket statement here and say all. You know, but I think generally
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in society nowadays, we have a propensity to subconsciously distract ourselves, you know.
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I think that in the world's world of social media and podcasts is another
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great one, which is kind of you know, it's kind of ironic that
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I'm even saying this while I'm talking on the podcast, but I would tend
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to find myself filling as much quiet time in my life as possible with something.
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And to me, when you pull back like that is a form of
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distraction, right, Like you're trying to distract your mind because you're not wanting
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to be in the thing. And I find this can be as the simplest
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tasks of washing your dishes, or you know, you throw a podcast in
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because washing your dishes is not the most fun task to do, So,
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you know, you find a form of distraction. And so I think generally
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as people, we are tending to shift more towards that modality of living.
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So it was it was a very eye opening thing for me to just realize,
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like, wow, I do that a lot, So maybe I should
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just try to remove this from my life and see what happens, and see
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what comes up and so yeah, there's been a lot of things that have
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transcended from it, which I wasn't expecting, you know. And I think
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the other thing too is I went into it without any expectation. I was
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just thinking, like, hey, you know, just kind of pay attention
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as you're doing it and see what comes out. And the things that have
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come out have been pretty eye opening to me, okay, such as you
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know, one thing that I have really recognized and I'm getting better at is
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paying attention to my body. And what that means is, you know,
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if we're talking more specific to run and the act of running, is when
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I am doing a lot of my long runs without these headphones and without podcasts
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and music, I'm really able to focus on you know, if I'm starting
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to feel an ache or pain somewhere, I can correct it like that because
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I'm able to stand my body where I can kind of call that out and
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maybe make an adjustment. Or I realize like, hey, I'm slouching a
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little bit here, my back is a little bit too loose right now.
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Maybe I tighten my core or whatever, and those that ache and my knee
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might kind of start to subside, and I realize, like, oh,
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you know, I wasn't engaged with my core. I wasn't fully in the
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moment present with my body. And so I've also you know, and taking
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it outside of running in connection with my body, as I've really been able
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to recognize the things that come up in my body that you know, So
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let me pause here for one second. And I'm sure you've read this book,
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but it was actually recommended by my therapist. The Body Keeps the Score,
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have you fantastic, amazing book, And you know that was I see
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a therapist every other week, and so one thing she'd recommended was trying to
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pay a little bit more attention to my body. And so I had a
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tough time with it. I really had a tough time with it. And
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so I found that sitting with myself doing something physical without the distractions has given
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me the opportunity to really actually get in tune with my body. And so
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I'm finding now, you know, I'm finding things like anger, frustration,
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sadness. I'm finding that stuff percolating in my body before it even hits my
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mind, and so I'm able to kind of recognize, like, oh,
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I'm feeling this way before my brain registers it. If that makes sense.
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So it's something that's allowed me the opportunity to really get in tune with with
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things like my gut and my chest and really know like, oh, anger
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is coming, or I feel a sadness coming. It's it's not hasn't quite
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got there yet, but it's coming because I know that this is the way
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that I feel when when you know, when I get in that in that
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in that space. This is really interesting to me. Obviously, this whole
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topic of mindfulness self awareness is coming up for me. Yeah. In the
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bio, uh, you mentioned drinking, and one of the things I just
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want to put that topic aside for a second. But one of the things
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that's coming up from me Arin is this was running. You were obviously an
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avid runner. Was that in and of itself a distraction? I mean,
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but not not. Everything is a distraction, right, It depends. But
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I'm just curious, was that in and of itself? Were you using that
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as an distraction? Oh? For sure, And so I think that's kind
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of interesting you touch on that because I the reason I got heavily into running
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in the first place was ten years ago was my decision to run my first
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half marathon, and I full transparency. I did it in kind of a
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last ditch effort for me to stop drinking alcohol because I tried all these other
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things. And you know, if anybody out there's listening and knows that tie
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and that issue that can prevail with alcohol use is it's you know, it's
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a tough thing to get over and it's a tough thing to kick and you
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can try all the things, but it's really hard if you have that in
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you. And so I kind of had this crazy thought of like, hey,
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maybe if I run this marathon and I just throw myself into running,
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I can distract myself enough to just not drink, right. And so I
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hold a lot of immense gratitude because it worked. That is the one thing
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that finally got me to stop drinking. And so it was definitely a form
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of distraction for sure. And I think that like, yeah, I can
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use you can use running as a form of distraction. Like I mean,
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if you boil it down, anything and everything is just a matter of what
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are you using it for and to go back to, you know, like
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listening to for me, listening to music and podcasts during certain activities, I
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just found like maybe I'm trying to avoid being with myself. And that's what
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it was for me. So what started the drinking? How did that?
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What? Oh gosh, I you know, I so I didn't. I
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started drinking a little later in my life compared to I think most from what
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I you know, I hear from stories that I gather from people. I
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didn't start. I didn't drink until I was nineteen, and I had my
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first drink at nineteen. And then what happened was it just honestly the confidence
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it gave me. I just realized, like, wow, it pulled me
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out of my shell because I'm naturally kind of an introverted person, and so
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that kind of lingered, and then you know that the good side of it
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obviously always morphs into something darker and sinister, and so I just, you
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know, years went by, and I just kind of found myself in this
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repeat, in this loop of getting in the bad situations and then recognizing that,
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you know, ninety nine percent of the time alcohol was the catalyst,
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and then not be able to give that up as kind of very concerning.
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So that always kind of stuck with me throughout of like, you know,
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this is obviously an issue for me because this thing in my life keeps showing
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up and keeps presenting bad outcomes, but yet I'm still doing it. And
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so you know, I went in and an that whole battle of quitting drinking
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for a number of years, for sure, a number of years. I
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mean, I appreciate sharing that. I mean, this to me is the
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story of this podcast. You know, here you are now at this point
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in your life where you've developed or uncovered the courage enough to okay, look
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at yourself without distraction. And what got you to that point where the impetus
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was in part this drinking and you know what that was covering up in a
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sense, because for most of us are you know, the things we do
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to distract ourselves and to cover up. There's a lot of there's something there,
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something that doesn't come out of nowhere, you know, And that overcoming
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to me is very inspiring. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I think
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you know, there was a lot of things in my childhood that definitely fueled
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that, you know, later in my life that I realized I was burying
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subconsciously. And I've since worked on pretty extensively, and I've investigated and examined
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and and so but you know, the old the other you know, honest
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fact is that I've my family is littered with alcoholics and addicts, and so
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I'm not you know, it's hard for me to play the genes are responsible
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for everything, and I think that, you know, the nurture nature,
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it's a blend of the two, in my opinion, And it's definitely if
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you have it littered in your family and the cards are stacked against you in
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some component, then your likelihood of falling into that is pretty hard. And
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but you know, in recognizing that though there, I felt though that I
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had this very very you know, honest and genuine reliability to break that mold
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in my family, right, because if I could contribute anything in this world,
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it's you know, it's it's really like helping others in some capacity,
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and if in any way, shape or form like my family history and what
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I've done in comparison to the people that have come before me and my family.
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And this is not me bad mouthing my family in any way. I
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loved the members of my family and they're all very unique individuals. But if
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I can at least be known for the person that kind of broke that mold,
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like that's enough for me. You know, and so I it was
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in my family and it was there, and it's a thing. And you
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know, ironically, my uncle he was a huge, huge component of keeping
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me mentally fit and out of alcohol use because he was a recovering alcoholic and
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he had quit and he had been sober for years. And I had the
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fortunate opportunity to get really close to him. Him and his wife, my
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aunt, moved from California to Washington probably about ten years ago, and so
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I got to spend time with him at the end of his life. You
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know, he had since passed. He passed away, I want to say,
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about two years ago, after moving back down to California to be with
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his family. But I had the chance to sit with him a lot in
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quiet reflection and have conversations that I couldn't really have with a lot of other
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people because he had gone through it and he knew it. And it also
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definitely helped that he was part of the family and he understood, Hey,
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you know, his brother was an alcoholic, his father was an alcoholic,
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My grandfather was an alcoholic. So it's just you know, you can just
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keep going down the list and counting on your fingers. I can just keep
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going and going and going and going, and so to have him in my
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life was just so impactful and to be able to share stories with him and
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it was Yeah, it was a blessing for sure. When you're running and
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you're you're not distracting yourself, You're you're consciously not distracting yourself. Yeah,
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does stuff come up where you're like, holy shit, get back down there?
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Oh sure every time? Is that? What is that? Like?
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I think, what's what stuff comes up where you're like, no, no,
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look at it that? Yeah, for sure, Like, I mean,
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there's definitely some things that come up in regards to the darker side of
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things. You know, A lot of it just might be my uh,
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you know, just general like how I might have responded to my kid in
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a situation, you know, the day before. We'll just come up out
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of nowhere, and like, I try to be very observant about those things
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when it happens, and I'm I'm usually pretty quick to recognize. And you
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know, if I make a poor parenting decision and I react poorly with my
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child, I'm usually pretty good about immediately addressing it and apologizing and talking to
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him. And he's granted, he's three and a half, so he doesn't
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quite understand it yet. But it's still a hard thing for me, and
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I don't want to, you know, be reactive, but that sort of
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stuff will come up when I go on these runs and I call back and
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you know, think that I might have addressed it with a quick talk and
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apology, but it'll come up deeper because it'll it'll kind of you know,
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why are you doing that? And you know, I'll just get into that
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mode of just like negative self talking, know like, and I'll get down
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upon myself for that. And then usually I find it in me to exercise
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some grace and realize that like, I'm not I'm still not doing a bad
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job, and parenting is hard and so things come up, but I'm pretty
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good about tempering them. But I find I'll be honest, what comes up
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more than anything is kind of feelings of gratitude and love and peace. I'll
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be honest, Like that comes up more than anything now when I when I
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go on these long runs, is I'll just I'll kind of get overwhelmed by,
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you know, feelings towards my wife, you know, and I'm not
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very I'm not a very vocal person, so I'm one to write, you
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know. So, my wife's birthday was yesterday, and I make her these
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cards every year, and they're kind of like my way of I guess still
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being a kindergartener and making your you know, your parent happy birthday cards.
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And so I usually make her a card every year. And like, I'm
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really good about writing how I feel, but I'm just not good about vocalizing
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it. I'm working on that. But a lot of that stuff comes up
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for me when I'm out there running is kind of feelings. I might feel
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gratitude and love for certain people, and and so yeah, I find more
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positive comes up than negative. Let me take a pause right here. We're
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speaking with Aaron Klein. We'll be back in two seconds. What what's It's
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interesting, Aaron? What strikes me about what you're saying is this whole topic
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is I mean, it sounds to me, uh as if you're almost kind
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of rediscovering, uh who you are, you know, with the alcoholism,
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uh, coming out emerging from that, almost like a rebirth. I don't
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want to be too dramatic here, but I mean you're being conscious of sharing
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this process of not of not distracting yourself and running in order to kind of
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rediscover and and share who you are. I think that it takes a lot
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of guts. I think it takes a lot of courage. Are there challenges
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for this to you? I mean, is this and it's one thing to
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do it and to distract yourself, but again you're making this conscious choice to
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do it undistracted. Do you ever do it and say, you know,
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is it scary any part of it? Or I think that I think that
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people in general, and I can only speak specific to myself here, so
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I'll let me just reframe that. For me, I think generally, like
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if something is going good or well, I will have a propensity to try
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to talk myself out of it somehow like maybe you know it's you know,
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not deserving of this or whatever. So I'm I mean, every day I
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try to talk myself out of running when I have it on my schedule.
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And that's the thing, Like that's the misconception I think sometimes is that like
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you know, these things are easy or this you know, this way of
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doing it has changed my life and made life easier, and like that's not
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the case. Like if anything, it's made up, If it's not the
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case, you know, I don't want to sugarcoat all this stuff because I
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think we we tend to apply that through the lens of things and you know,
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the self help will we live in, which I think is all great,
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but like not, sometimes these things that we do don't make our lives
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easier. They make them more fruitful, right, they make them more worth
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living. And that's what I'm finding. For me to get out and go
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on a training run, Mike, it's not easy for me to get out
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there and do it. I have to talk myself and to do it,
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and I have to gear myself up. I'll find myself distracting myself all the
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time. You know. I'll have a plan to go on a run in
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the morning at six o'clock on Saturday, and I won't leave till six forty
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five because I've found two hundred other things that I can do where it's like,
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come on, just get out the door. And so I I think
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there's that part of my my brain that's like, hey, are you sure
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you want to subject yourself to this? So yeah, it's not it's not
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easy, but I think just doing it and just telling yourself to just do
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it and do it, and when you're in it. You're you're in it
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right, You're just doing it. Do you see yourself as a somewhat different
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person from them when you were drinking? Oh? Absolutely, for sure.
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Yeah, I mean I think I'm man. That's that's a very hard that's
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a very tough question for me to answer because it's been a long so I
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have to like really put myself back in my shoes, you know, over
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nine years ago. I think I have a propensity to recognize love more than
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I did before. I think that I have h the ability to pull myself
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out of darker thinking quicker I am. I'm finding I'm having a little bit
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more grace with myself and I'm able to kind of be less selfish. I
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still have selfish tendencies, for sure, but I find myself less selfish and
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usually trying to make myself of service to other people in some way, shape
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or form. And so life, like I said before, like you know,
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this life didn't get easier after I quit drinking at all. Like in
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fact, that like it kind of got harder for quite a while because you
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pull back this this blanket in this thing that's kind of been serving as a
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crutch in some way, and it starts. What it does is slowly starts
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exposing all of these dark things that lie dormant that you didn't realize were things.
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And so I found myself, you know, maybe being more angry or
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more frustrated or more self defeating talk. And so I had to really go
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through a pretty large learning curve in regards to how to live life again and
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essentially like recover, like recover this person that I that I was, you
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know, years and years ago, you know, to the person I was
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when I was a kid, to the person I was when I was in
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high school. And I know that sounds weird to even like date high school
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is like a time where I'm like, yeah, things were pretty good,
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but like I didn't drink in high school, I didn't do drugs, I
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didn't do anything when I was in high school. And so I do think
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back to that time, it is like that was my baseline, right,
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that was my baseline, And so I'm getting back to my baseline and I'm
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finding that And so yeah, maybefore alcohol and after, I think life was
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harder, but uh it's definitely now, Like if I if I talking about
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it right now today, Uh, it's definitely better. I mean way better
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and less harder. So you have your website is the Daily Getaway, right,
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and you also have a newsletter. Uh, and we'll have these linked
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up, yeah at sub stack. What is your hope? I mean,
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what do you you have a message? How would you articulate what your message
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is to people? You know? I think my message to people is just
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stay curious with yourself and explore yourself and and just die, like dive into
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yourself and don't and don't give up, you know, because like that's the
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one thing I could say about my elf is you know, as many of
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these I would like to say, I have more character defects than uh than
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not. But I think like the one thing I can say in a positive
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perspective in regards to myself is that I I don't I don't give up,
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and I think none of us should ever get up. And so if things
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are tough in life, like just keep going, just keep going, keep
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finding the thing. If you're if you're on a path towards you know,
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your own uh mindfulness journey or healing trauma or whatever it is. Uh,
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just like, don't give up. Just keep trying things. Just keep trying
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things. Not every not everything's gonna work. But I think that if you
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try a hundred things and you find too that work, you know that that's
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a win and you'll you'll find you'll find what works, and then you'll just
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keep doing it. And that's kind of what I've done, is I just
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find the things that work, and then I just keep doing them. Was
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your level of drinking, I mean, was were you talking about every day?
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Were talking about it? Was? It was pretty much for four or
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five times a week for a little while. Like would you say you were
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an alcoholic? Oh? Yeah, sure, yeah, I would like to
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say. And I know there's like that that argument that like once you're an
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alcoholic, you're always an alcoholic, And I honestly I don't believe that because
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I don't I don't feel like that is me anymore. But I'm still cautious.
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But yeah, I definitely was in it. You know, a lot
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of it had centered around partying. It was a lot of social drinking.
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So it wasn't just myself. It was groups of people that were doing this
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four or five times a week. It was you know, parties at the
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houses all the time. And and then what happened is that I kind of
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had somewhat of the control on it to where it would become weekends, but
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I would always binge. I would always binge on the weekends, and I
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was I was a blackout drinker most of the time, and so that,
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yeah, that became the weekends. And then what kind of started happening is
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I would kind of say, Okay, hey, you know, you're you're
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done, You're not You're not going to drink till next weekend. And then
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Thursday might roll around and I'd find myself, you know, just standing in
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front of the beer aisle and You're like, how the hell did I get
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How did I get here? And then I'm and then I'm I'm having that
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conversation with myself of okay, not tonight, don't do it. But then
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you know, next thing, you know, you're ringing it up at the
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cash register and like that whole recognition, you know. And this is what
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came out a lot when I was training for that first half marathon. When
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I got to the end of that week of first training, I honestly I
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was said to myself, like, hey, you you owe yourself a drink,
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right, you can celebrate. But something in me, whatever it is,
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some sort of divine intervention whatever you want to call it, had enough
30:47
strength in me to say, like, hey, put a lot of work
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in this week. You know, one drink is not going to be one
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drink. It's going to be it's gonna be five six seven, You're probably
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gonna black out, You're gonna wake up like shit tomorrow. Then the whole
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thing is going to happen again. So just don't do it. And so
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that's as simple as That's the way it happened. And so yeah, but
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I was definitely a multiple times a week drinker and then it turned into a
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weekend, but it was always it was always just too much consumption. And
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so yeah, you know, plus the other thing I was looking at,
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you know, at that time, my wife and I were starting our relationship
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and we had just gotten married, and I kind of had this world that
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I was building too in a positive way, and I just kind of did
31:38
this whole thing where I'm like, hey, I don't I don't want to
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subject her to this. You know, it's not horrible now, but like
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I was just able to look in the future and like, no, like
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I think I know where this is going to go. I don't want to
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get it there. Let's just not do that. You know, if the
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day ever comes where I have kids, like, I don't want to subject
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my kids like hell, that's the saddest thing to me now that I have
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a kid is having seeing children grow up in households with addiction, and it
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just breaks my heart. And I just knew, you know, years ago,
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I was like, I don't want to be a part of that,
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you know, and it was a part of my childhood, and so yeah,
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I just didn't. I just was able to look in the future far
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enough to put a stop on it before it got to the point to where
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it was very detrimental. So again, your newsletter is called The Daily Getaway.
32:34
What are people going to get from reading your newsletter? Yeah, so
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it has yet to launch. I'm still working on the template for it.
32:45
But when it is finished, I'm hoping that what people can get away from
32:51
it is, you know, I'm going to share my running journey for sure,
32:55
I'm going to share, you know, some of the things that come
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up for me with no headphone running. I'm going to advocate for it,
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but I'm gonna I'm gonna do it in the sense that like, hey,
33:04
this helps me you can try it on for size, but no way,
33:07
shape or form like this is not a cure all for everybody's issues. That's
33:10
just working for me, So I just want to spread the word. And
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then the other aspect of it really is, you know, nutrition is a
33:20
part of my lifestyle as well, and so I want to share some things
33:23
that are working for me as it's centered around running. And then I'm a
33:30
I'm a book lover and I love reading. I love reading fiction books.
33:32
I love talking about them. So there's going to be a section in there
33:37
where it's just I talk about books that I'm reading and hope that I can
33:43
kind of spark people's love for fiction because I think it's coming back, but
33:49
I think we've we've moved away from it over the years and it's hard.
33:52
It's it's got thing I said you can get. You can get a lot
33:53
of help out of fiction too. So yeah, also awesome. Yeah,
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Well wins that launch date, I'm I'm hoping in January of twenty twenty four,
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and it'll be it'll be a monthly newsletter, so I'm not going to
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blow people's in box up with the newsletter as I'm growing it. But also
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on my substack, I put up posts periodically, and so you know,
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if people subscribe to my substack in general, they'll get notification of my posts,
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which are just I mean, honestly, it's just whatever's on my mind.
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Yeah, sure, awesome, we'll have those linked up here. Thank
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you at the showness page. You're welcome the Trauma taperspodcast dot com. Aaron
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awesome man, so inspiring. Appreciate you coming here. You're doing it.
34:42
Thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks for inviting me, and I'm super
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grateful to have this chance to talk. And anytime you get to have a
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real, honest, open conversation with people is that, you know, that's
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the stuff life is made of. So thank you. I totally agree.
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That's why, that's why I invited you. Want here. Love to have
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you back in the coming year. Two would be awesome today that our brother
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take care all right? Thank you. I appreciate it, all right.