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Can Don Dokken Survive This Stage Feedback Meltdown? (2016 Archive) · Classic Metal Show

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  SPEAKER_03: Hey, this is John Levin of Dockin' and you're watching CMS TV.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: It is your classic metal show right here on theclassicmetalshow.com from the
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_01: under lock and key release.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: That is The Hunter and just before that...
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: We heard Scribble with Cursed.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: Cursed!
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, did you like that?
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was a lot of fun.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: I just find that kind of music, that for me is just more just kind of silly entertainment.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's just kind of like, well, listen to this.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of like what you were doing last night with all that silly grabber by
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: the pussy music
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_02: and whatever the hell you were listening to.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_02: The Twinkie Man.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_02: We were just listening to some,
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_02: we were drunk and we were just listening to some goofy shit,
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_02: but you know, the Twinkie man, that was some funny shit.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, uh, last Friday.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let me, let me back up here on a Friday morning.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: You, you hit me up with an email.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cause apparently somebody tipped you off to something that just happened the night before.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh huh.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: How did this come about?
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_01: Who tipped you off on this Facebook post, this angry, outraged Facebook post?
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_02: I don't remember,
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  SPEAKER_02: and I'm not trying to,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: divert from giving the proper credit,
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  SPEAKER_02: but literally after the first one that I sent you,
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  SPEAKER_02: I must have got 20 more with the same story.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_02: This is funny.
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  SPEAKER_02: As soon as it posted on Metal Sludge.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I, this guy was ahead of the curve somehow before Metal Sludge.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like maybe he was at the show or something.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he was at the show according to his Facebook post.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So he sent one video, but then Stevie, I guess, picked it up.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then everybody that listens to the show and participates sent me video of it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I literally, literal number 2025 people sent it to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_02: Into the fryer.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_02: I get it.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_02: I got it.
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  All right.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I didn't know anything about this aside from this Facebook post.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: They played, Dokken played in Michigan just outside of Detroit there at some...
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm assuming that's probably the setup.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's a Thursday night of all things.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, this is, I guess you would consider it a midweek show.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of people,
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  SPEAKER_01: the most working people,
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  SPEAKER_01: that is,
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  SPEAKER_01: don't have time to go out to a show on a Thursday night unless it's something,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, that their friends are involved with, i.e.
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  SPEAKER_01: the local bands.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's tough for normal working people who,
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: you know, get up at six o'clock in the morning to be going out to a show.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: And as you and I both know,
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: when you're in these club shows and they've got two or three local opening bands,
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  SPEAKER_01: the headliner doesn't even go on till like 11.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I don't even show up until 1045.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I mean, I show up early to support.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: But regardless of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Most people aren't going to hang out till midnight or one o'clock and then get up
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  SPEAKER_01: and go to work at six.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: A lot of people don't,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, normal working, you know, blue collar people who have normal jobs.
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  SPEAKER_01: It just that's a tough that's a tough thing to do for a lot of people.
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  SPEAKER_01: And especially with an act such as a doc and that appeals to people in their middle ages.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're not talking about 18 to 25 year old kids here.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about people who are in their 40s, maybe into their mid 50s.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're not going to hang out till midnight on a Thursday when they got to go
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  SPEAKER_01: to work in the morning.
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  SPEAKER_02: The only people that are at docking shows are people that have to work
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  SPEAKER_02: the next morning or women that suck the dick of people that have to work
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  SPEAKER_02: the next morning.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's it.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, they were doing a three-day run.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, they did this show in Michigan at this club.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: Then they played here in Chicago in St.
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  SPEAKER_01: Charles at the Arcadia Theater, which is a fairly good-sized venue.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: They played with Winger.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, boy.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you about that, too.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then they played Saturday night at the Wisconsin Dells,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is kind of a tourist location in Wisconsin.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they did three shows within the region and went home.
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  SPEAKER_01: So again, I don't know enough about this venue that they played on Thursday.
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  SPEAKER_01: But just from what I read and heard and I talked to the guys, it's a club.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a Mitch Kershevsky type situation where they got several bands to open up and
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  SPEAKER_01: then they have a headliner on a Thursday.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So apparently...
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  SPEAKER_01: So Don or the band or Dokken, as it were, were having some issues on stage.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we've covered this many times that when they have to deal with
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: the local sound guy or the local club guy, they often run into problems.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because these guys are not professionals.
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  SPEAKER_01: They mix these local shows.
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  SPEAKER_01: They probably don't work with headliners and things.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they know how to do the little shows.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when it comes to a national act,
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  SPEAKER_01: there's a little more involved or maybe a little more experience required.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well...
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  SPEAKER_01: I got some audio here of the show,
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  SPEAKER_01: of the problems that they were having,
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  SPEAKER_01: and there is no doubt that every time Don walked to the stage,
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  SPEAKER_01: up to the front of the stage where the monitors were,
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  SPEAKER_01: just the feedback was just horrific.
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  SPEAKER_01: You could just hear it squealing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And unless you've been on stage and those monitors are pointed right at you
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  SPEAKER_01: and you've got a live mic and that feedback, it's just ear piercing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's just terrible.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's take a listen to some of this.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_01: This song is going to be tough to sing without, man, fucking feedback, Jesus Christ.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Don, you must have fucked somebody's girlfriend pretty bad.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: It must have been the sound guy in the 80s.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's where it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: I fucked his girlfriend.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I'm going to try to sing this song, and maybe there won't be too much feedback.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_03: Nope, apparently there's gonna be.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: I love you, too.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, Matt.
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  SPEAKER_03: I apologize for this.
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  SPEAKER_03: We're working on it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hang on.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for being so patient with us, because we love playing music for you people.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_00: Tonight's very, very difficult.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: Nick would love to hear his vocals in his way.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: Every time we walk to the front of the stage, it's...
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_02: I will ask Jackal's question, because I kind of agree with Jackal in here.
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  SPEAKER_02: At this point, why doesn't Don hire a fucking sound guy?
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm going to get to that.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm actually going to get to that point.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, good.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, every show he's got to fuck himself.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm going to get to that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there was a long discussion.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: Don and I had a very long discussion about this whole thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a good point because I am going to cover this.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, anyway,
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  SPEAKER_01: so as you can see,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: they're having some problems and, um,
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  SPEAKER_01: You sent me over a post that some guy by the name of Will Von Linsow
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  SPEAKER_01: posted
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  SPEAKER_01: on his Facebook.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: Was a great pact beyond capacity night.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: The band's kicked ass.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: Throttle killed it big time.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_01: I guess that must be a local band or something.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_01: Throttle.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: Throttle.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: Here's what I have to say and get this off my chest.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: The monitors mix all night was horrible.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: No one could hear themselves.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know what?
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  SPEAKER_01: Unless you're a performer and have actually been on a stage where you're trying
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: to hear the mix, there's nothing worse than a bad monitor mix.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because you can't hear.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you've ever done karaoke,
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: and I know you have,
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: they've got the little monitor speakers up there so you can hear the music
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: when you're singing along to the words.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: If you can't hear, you're like totally off.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that monitor mix is important on the stage,
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  SPEAKER_01: but it can't be so loud that every time you get near it with your live mic,
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: it feeds back at you and it just squeals.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: It just blows you backwards.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's just terrible.
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• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: The high-pitched squeal, but anyways.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: The monitor mix was all night was horrible.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: No one could hear themselves.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: Flash forward to Dokken.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: They played two songs and Don bitched about not hearing himself in the monitor.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's fair.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: Then he exclaims, quote, that's what happens when you have shitty opening bands.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: End of quote.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty bad there.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and I'll talk about that.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: Well, here's what I have to say about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was hot and I was on my way to the stage to punch him right in his fat fucking face.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: But I was stopped.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: Take it easy, big time.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: So you were going to walk up there and you were going to punch him in his face.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I'm sure Don would have just took that.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: For all, he did knock out somebody's mom.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: He did punch somebody's mom out last year.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Better watch out.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, hey, Don Dockin, fuck you.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, language, please.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's a family show.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: You egotistical, no-singing piece of garbage.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: I can see why you can't keep band members.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: John's been with them for 13 years.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: Mick's been with them for almost 40 years.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Chris has been with them for a little over a year and a half.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: God, has it already been that long?
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's been a year and a half.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: And you need to reevaluate yourself and stop being a has-been.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I guess it's better to be a has-been than a never-was.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: Right there, Will?
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: By the way, you lost half your crowd after that statement.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: I don't believe that at all.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: Half the crowd left?
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's what he says.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and one last thing.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_01: The shitty bands that opened for you made it so you can get paid tonight.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: Don was going to get paid regardless if shitty bands sold tickets or not
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: because that's in the contract.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I don't know these bands, so I don't know if they're shitty or not, but I do know this.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's the promoter's problem.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's my point.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's my point.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that has nothing to do with Don.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_02: Don does, believe me, forget Don.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: I'll just make a blanket statement as a fan.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_02: As a fan, I don't want to see any local bands either.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_02: Just give me the headliner at 8 o'clock on a Thursday, right?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_02: If you could go and see a show,
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_02: forget docking,
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_02: if you like Metal Church,
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_02: you can go see Metal Church at 8 o'clock on a Wednesday,
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: or you can go see Band That Sold a Lot of Tickets,
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_02: followed by Band That Sold a Lot of Tickets,
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_02: followed by Metal Church, Metal Church going on at 11.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_02: Which, as a fan, which are you going to go to?
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to go to the 8 o'clock show.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because you don't give a fuck about the local bands.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_02: Let's be real.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_02: Other than friends of the band, no one gives a fuck about the local opener.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to be like Jackal in the chat room.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Beer and piss break.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_02: Beer and piss break.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_02: Z!
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_02: Beer and piss break.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, this, you know how you're always looking for a...
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_02: A valid reason to have Facebook and you always struggle that you can't find
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_02: a valid reason to have Facebook.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to give you a valid reason to have Facebook.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_02: Our good friend,
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_02: Bill Peters,
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  SPEAKER_02: every night that there's a metal concert,
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_02: he posts the set list times, the times that the bands are playing at ahead of time.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: So you know what that does for me?
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_02: If I'm going to the same show?
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: It tells me when I can skip to.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_02: It literally tells me, well, I don't like this band at 7 or I don't know who they are.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_02: Skip.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know this band at 8.30.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_02: Skip.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_02: All right, I can show up at 10.15.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I can walk right in and see Metal Church.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and that's how it is.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_02: You know, no one wants to see...
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: I get it that,
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_02: the only way bands grow and develop or whatever is if they don't,
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: you know, if they...
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_02: If they get out in front of these bands or whatever.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_02: But who cares?
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_02: As a fan, I don't care.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: As a fan, you got to find me.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to fucking stumble into you.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_02: I just want to see the fucking show and be home by 9 o'clock.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'm old.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: Suck my dick if that's not good enough.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: So when he says...
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: Now take your money that we earned for you and go get a life you poor excuse for
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: a decent person and musician.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's a hell of a statement.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I was not aware of the audio or anything.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: All I got was this Facebook post.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: You sent it to me on Friday morning.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: And so later in the week, I heard this statement.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: So here's the actual statement Don made from the stage.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, hey, hey.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, hey,
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: Hey,
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, hey,
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: hey, hey.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, hey, hey.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, hey,
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: hey.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, hey, hey, hey.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, hey,
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: hey, hey, hey,
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_03: hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_03: hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oops.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't actually, obviously, I didn't see the show.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't hear that audio.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: So all I had was this Facebook post that you had sent me Friday.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: So they were here last Friday evening.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: I drove out to St. Charles, hooked up with them, and I was in the hotel bar.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: And John and Chris and Mick all came down.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: We were waiting for the van to take us to the venue.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: And so I said to John, I said...
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: I heard that there were some problems with the show last night.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: And John's statement to me, and you know how nice John is.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: John will say it.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_02: John is usually like, yeah, you know, there was some things, but we made it work.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that's John usually.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: No, this is what John said verbatim.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: That was the absolute worst show I have played in my entire career,
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: and that includes my high school bands.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: He said it was absolutely fucking horrible.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_03: Jesus.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: Hale and Kill Caller, you're on the air.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, it's Big E from Detroit.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, what's up, Big E?
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: Were you at the show?
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_03: I sure fucking was.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, that's great.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: I like to have a guy who was on the ground.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: So tell us your viewpoint of what happened.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_03: So I want to start by saying that's the first time I've ever seen Dokken in my life.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_03: And so I was like geek to go and see them.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know,
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_03: just like Chris said,
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: you show up when Dokken goes on the stage and we sure as shit did.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_03: We showed up, we got out there, they came out and there was tons of feedback.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_03: And Don did not do himself a favor by making that statement.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and I agree, and I'll address that in a minute.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you about the conversation I had.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, did he lose half the crowd when he said that?
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, my God.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_03: When we got there, we had to fight to get to the middle of the room to see anything.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_03: After he made that statement,
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_03: I turned around, and I swear to God, the place literally was just about half empty.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_03: He really pissed off a lot of people when he said that.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, oh, damn, he didn't just say that, did he?
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: Just people were screaming and yelling.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: What time did they go on stage?
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_03: 10.30, maybe 10 minutes late,
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_03: because I said to my lady, Chris, I was like, oh, they're a few minutes late.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_03: And so maybe they went on at 10.40, something like that.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so almost 11 o'clock on a Thursday night.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's getting towards that, yeah.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: Well, a lot of people,
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: normal working class people,
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: they can't stay out till midnight and get up and go to work at 6 or 7 in the morning
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: on a Thursday.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_03: No, for sure.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_03: There's something to that, you know.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_03: For me, it was like I've never seen Doc in here in town.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_03: This is a one-time thing.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_03: In the middle of the week, I'm going.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_03: And the bummer was,
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_03: I really fell for Don in the sense
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_03: that I could tell he could not hear what he was singing.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_03: None of the guys could.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_03: And so that has got to be super difficult.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_03: I can totally, you know, sympathize.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_03: However, who gets the shaft?
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_03: Me, as a fan.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_03: I get fucked.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_03: I pay my money.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_03: I see a crappy show.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: Everybody's pissed off.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, this is my first time seeing Dokken.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't that good.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't blame you.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: And believe me, there's more to the story.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: So if you hang out and continue listening to the show,
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you about the conversation I had about this particular show.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_03: I will.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_03: And I want to say one more thing because Chris brought it up and it was a super coincidence.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_03: I saw Metal Church at the very same venue about, I don't know, a couple months ago.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_03: They were amazing.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, they are.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_03: And the sound was awesome.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_03: They were fantastic.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_03: What's his, the new singer?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: He's not the new singer.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_03: He's not the new singer.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_03: He's not the new singer.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_03: The returning.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, he can sing.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_03: He is.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: He's absolutely amazing.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_03: Insanely good singer.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_03: And the one other thing about the Dock and Sugar was, who's the drummer?
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_03: What's his name?
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: Mick Brown.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_03: He was a saint.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_03: He kept Don in line as best he could.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: Don threatened to quit.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not singing any more songs until this is fucking fixed.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_03: The drummer was like, come on, let's play one more song.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_03: Let's keep going.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_03: He was really good about keeping the show on track and moving things forward.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_03: My hat's off to that guy.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_03: He kept the show going.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_03: I appreciated that.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: All right, cool.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's nice to hear from somebody who was actually there.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I was there.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_03: It was a bummer.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_03: It was nice to see the band and everything, but the sound could have been a lot better.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_03: There was feedback coming from the speakers itself as well during the show,
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_03: which is, I'm sure, a function of the monitor situation.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it feeds out of the monitor,
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: then it goes into the mic,
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: and then it goes out through the speakers and then back into the monitor and back to
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: the mic, so it's kind of a loop.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: And it just blows you off the stage when that happens.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_03: You know,
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_03: and he was,
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_03: he was singing like sort of half volume
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_03: because he couldn't really tell how loud he was.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: And, and I got more to cover about that too.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, he, he did, he did a few people.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_03: Bummer.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: Biggie.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_03: Alan kill.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_03: Alan kill.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: All right, there's our buddy Big E.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, anyway, so we were in the bar waiting for the van.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so John is as nice of a guy as he is.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: And as Chris just said, this guy wouldn't say shit if he had a mouthful of it.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's how nice and cordial John always is.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: But he was just like, worst show I've ever played ever in my career.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: Jeez.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so I said, yeah, I heard about it.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: I said, I read, you know, I read something about it on the, you know, Facebook and whatnot.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: And he goes, yeah, it was just terrible.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: He says, we couldn't hear anything.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: He said, there was no, nothing in the monitors.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: He said, we were basically playing blind and not the song.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, Chris, Chris McCarvel, and Mick all agreed.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: They were just like, yeah, we tried to make the best of it we could, but it was just terrible.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: And so I said to John,
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: I said, did Don say this is what happens when you have shitty opening bands?
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: And he goes, yeah, he did say that.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: He goes...
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: Why would he say that?
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: I said, I don't know.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't there.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: So he goes, yeah, he said that pissed some people off and people were not happy.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: He said, you know, he said it was just a bad night overall.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: So I said, well, you know, obviously I hadn't talked to Don about it yet.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, Don came down.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: We went to the venue.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: Winger was playing.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I've never been a huge Winger fan,
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: but I've got to give respect to Kip and the rest of the guys at Beach
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: and all those guys in Winger.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: Those guys,
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: even though they don't tour consistently and play consistently,
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: they are a very, very tight unit.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they're world-class musicians.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they are.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: They definitely, I mean, they really,
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: really are.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: They really are, and I'm not saying that in a facetious way.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: They really are.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're, I mean, what's his name, Rod Morgenstein?
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: He's regarded as a world-class drummer,
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_02: and Reb is obviously a pretty amazing guitar player in his own right, and...
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean,
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: even Kip,
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he was a good enough bass player to play with Alice for how many years?
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: Well, Reb played with Alice too.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's Kip and Reb played with Alice.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, obviously, Reb has never been unemployed.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know, he always stays in bands and he's always the feature guitar.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_02: Well, he wasn't the feature guitarist in Whitesnake, was he?
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_02: He's the rhythm guy.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he played, you know, obviously he and Doug Aldridge played.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, switched back and forth.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so they were the twin guitar attack in Whitesnake.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, Reb is still in Whitesnake.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then he, of course, he played with Dokken for a while.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: But they were absolutely amazing.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: I got to catch the last couple of songs and they were just on the top of their game.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was just amazing.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: You know, again,
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: I've never been a big fan,
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: but listening to those guys and watching them play, they were just fantastic.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, cool.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I got to take my hat off to them.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know,
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: when we were down in the dressing room,
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: Reb came down and Kip came down and we all kind of just chit-chatted a little bit
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: and stuff.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: And just friendly guys, just nice.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: Real friendly guys.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, anyway...
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: Dokken played our friend Tim Bedore.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: He took a picture of the stage.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: You could see me off in the corner.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: I was kind of like off the corner.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: And he posted on my Twitter.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like, can you spot Waldo?
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: Which was kind of funny.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's funny.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, after the show, I was talking to Don and I said, what happened last night?
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: I said, I heard that you said,
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: you know, this is what happens when you have shitty bands opening.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: I said,
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's not really what I meant.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: What I meant to say is this is what happens when they set the stage up for opening acts.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: But because I misspoke, he said it was the wrong thing to say.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: I wish I hadn't said that.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: It was a bad choice of words.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: What I was trying to say is this is what happens when they set the stage or
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: the sound up for local or opening acts.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: He says,
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't mean any disrespect toward the opening bands per se,
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: but they obviously did not set it up for us.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: Really, he should have just kept his mouth shut.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: True.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: I get it.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: He just killed the sound guy.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I agree.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: And he was regretful.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: He was just like, yeah, I shouldn't have said that.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: That was just a bad choice of words.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: But I was just after the second song, it was just like, oh, no, here we go again.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, with the bad sound.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: Well, where's this crack management team with the apology to love?
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: Never mind.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: So we got into a whole discussion about the sound.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Don, this has been going on way too long.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's like every other show that you do, you're getting feedback.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: The sound, the mix isn't right.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: I said, I've been with you so many times over the last few years that you get to
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: a small venue and you got to rely on the local sound guy.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he said, I would bring my own guy, but everybody's always busy.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: They've got tours.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: He says, we do these fly-ins on the weekend.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: And it's tough to find a guy who's available to work every weekend
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: or every other weekend because they don't do it every single weekend.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: And any competent sound guy is working.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_02: Right, he's out on tour.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're working, okay?
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: So finding somebody who can just pick up and fly with them for a couple of shows
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: a week isn't the easiest thing.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: And plus,
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: if he said,
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: I would love to and see,
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: he says, you know, Warrant travels with their own sound guy.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: Winger brought their own sound guy.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody's got their own sound guy.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: He says, but, you know, I've wanted to bring a sound guy.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: I bring Frank out who, you know, mixes sound for like Accept and people like that.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: But Frank is working.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: When Frank is on the board, everything's fine.
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  SPEAKER_01: He works with Accept.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: He works with several different people.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: And it's having somebody who's available on their schedule to go with them.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: There's got to be somebody, though, if Warrant has a guy.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: Well, here's the thing.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, see, Warrant plays more often than Dokken does.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_02: Do they?
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they do.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: But here's the thing.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: So this,
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: what was it, Sunday,
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: this past Sunday,
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: Don and I were texting back and forth,
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: and he thinks he found a guy who lives in Las Vegas.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't tell me who the guy was, but he thinks that he's bringing this guy out with them.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_02: His name's not the Snake Man, is it?
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_02: Great.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, Neely,
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_02: I'd like you to be Victor.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't think that's the case.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: But but he said he says he's had enough of this.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: He said they you know, they're they're getting more and more offers to play.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: So he's got a guy who's kind of agreed to travel with them.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: And mix their shows when they do play because they do the whole flying thing.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they don't do the whole bus thing anymore.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know,
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: it makes no sense to because we were just talking to Big E.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, nobody's going to go out to a show on a Thursday.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's that's a tough gig.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: So Fridays and Saturdays and maybe even Sundays, you know, sometimes.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: You can get away with it.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: But for the most part,
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: for these type of bands who still play,
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: they're going to only play two or three shows a week.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: And to find a guy who's available just for those two or three days, it's not that easy.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: So therein lies the problem,
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: but apparently he's found a guy who's willing to,
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: or is available to do those two or three shows a week.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: So that's where it's at.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: So he's just like, you know, enough of this bullshit.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's like after that fiasco on Thursday...
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like, can't do it anymore.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: And with the internet and with YouTube and with,
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: everybody with their cell phones and everybody putting,
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: posting a video within minutes,
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: you know, this is, this can destroy anybody's career.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so it's, you know, whether it's your fault or not, you're the people on the stage.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: So it's your fault.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's true.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_02: You know that's true.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: Of course.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: In the fan size.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: Of course.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's always true.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_02: Fucking ducking, man.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: Fuck them guys.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: That said, that said, though, Don's really got to not knock the door.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, believe me, he was very regretful.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: He was just like, I should have never said that.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: That was the wrong thing to say.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: He says, I just didn't need this.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: I walk out there and my mic is feeding.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and here's the other thing.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the other thing.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: Don is 63.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: He's not 25 anymore.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: So when he's on, he still can do some pretty good shows.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: But when he's pushing himself with the vocals and just tears up the vocal cords,
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: then he gets all that really raspiness.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, a lot of these clubs,
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: when you're relying on the sound guy,
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: the local sound guy, you know what a limiter is, don't you?
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sure.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: These guys, these clubs, they're saving their PA system by putting a limiter on.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the limiter doesn't only limit your speakers.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: It also limits your monitor.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: So when Don can't hear himself and the monitor is not where it should be to
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: where he can monitor his vocals, he's got to push.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: To hear, you know what I mean?
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: He strains his vocals to sing louder.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: When it's not necessary to do that because there's a limiter on.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: Because they play it in the safe.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: they play it safe so they're afraid they're going to blow their speaker,
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: their PA system or their monitors so they put it on a limiter.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: So when you put the limiter on, you start pushing harder than what you need to.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_02: And you're still not hearing yourself.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because you can't hear yourself.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_02: And then you really don't hear yourself.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: All you hear is your own voice echoing in your head.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: So it's just like if anybody's ever sung karaoke in a loud bar
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: and you can't hear yourself in the monitor,
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: you start singing, trying to push louder.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then you tear up your vocals.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well,
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: that's another benefit of having a sound guy is because he can take that limiter off
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: and adjust that sound to where you can hear yourself as well as mix the sound in
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: the PA.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: But if you're relying on a local guy where the manager is telling him,
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: don't allow that to go over so many decibels, you're going to blow my PA.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: So it's just like you're singing louder and louder just trying to hear yourself.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: And when you can't hear yourself, you just blow your vocals out.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: So that's the long and the short of the business.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_02: hopefully he gets it together because Lord knows I'm sick of hearing fans coming
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_02: at me like I have something to do.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_02: And believe me, I hear it too.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like...
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_02: But you're not on Facebook.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_02: They bring it to me for you.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_02: Of course.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, you know what?
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_02: And plus, people still think I'm in the camp.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like, I'm not in the fucking camp.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's like, I'm a fan too now.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I am.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm on the outside.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'm on the inside.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_02: Looking outside.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'm on the outside.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: But that's what happened.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I was told.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: It just was a bad situation.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: Don regrets saying what he said.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't really mean the opening bands were shit.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: He was just meaning that the sound was set for the opening bands and the sound is now shit.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's a bad misspeak, but of course the internet got hold of it.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_02: Of course.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway,
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: out of this,
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: they've made the decision that they've got to bring a sound guy with
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_02: them.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's a very smart decision.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_02: God knows.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: But it wasn't because they didn't want to.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: It was just a matter of finding one who's available to do those little fly-in shows.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: So for anybody who's interested, that's where it's at.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there you go.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to play one song.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: This is for you.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_01: Because you're standing on the outside.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, pretty much am.
• 38:55
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• 39:00
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• 39:01
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