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Brewsers #407- Kikyo · Brewsers

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Bruisers, a podcast about beer, coffee, booze, and Bruisers.
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  Speaker 1: I am your host, Rody John, and today we talk
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  Speaker 1: to the fallen flower, Kikio. We talk about her journey
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  Speaker 1: into wrestling, coming back from injury, and so much more.
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  Speaker 1: This is such a great interview. Kikio is doing amazing
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  Speaker 1: things in the world of pro wrestling, whether it be teaching,
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  Speaker 1: in the ring, or all the above. So without further ado,
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to hear from me, you want to
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  Speaker 1: hear from her. So here is fallen flower, Kikio. I
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  Speaker 1: would like to welcome to the show the Fallen Flower, Kikio.
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  Speaker 1: How are you doing today?
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting through it, man. This weather change has got
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  Speaker 2: me feeling great.
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  Speaker 1: Well, for those listening, kind of paint us a word picture.
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  Speaker 1: Where are you at and what's going on around you?
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  Speaker 2: I currently live in the great state of Washington. Not D.C.,
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  Speaker 2: just Washington State. And it is now turning or trying
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  Speaker 2: to turn to fall. And it is wet and gross.
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  Speaker 2: And my face hates it. as well as my knees
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  Speaker 2: and my ankle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is here in Texas. It is still a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful thing. It's in eighties right now.
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  Speaker 2: So that's, that's too hot. No, I need it like
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  Speaker 2: a cool 70, like three all year round and I'm fine. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Then Texas is definitely not the place for you.
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  Speaker 2: No, I honestly, I kind of miss Florida. I don't
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  Speaker 2: miss the hurricanes, but I kind of miss the weather
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  Speaker 2: in Florida to be quite honest.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always heard it's beautiful and then it gets, like,
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  Speaker 1: you might get 20 minutes of rain and then it's gone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it depends on where you are. True.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's go all the way back in time. What
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  Speaker 1: is your earliest memory of pro wrestling?
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  Speaker 2: So I have, like, what my mom and dad tell
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  Speaker 2: me was what I was doing when I was, like,
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  Speaker 2: two and three years old, which was, like, jumping off
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  Speaker 2: of the couch pretending to be Jimmy Superfly Snooker and whatnot. I...
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  Speaker 2: distinctly remember watching sean michaels come down from the rafters
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  Speaker 2: in his white outfit so that's like the one that
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  Speaker 2: i personally like if i think back really really really
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  Speaker 2: hard yeah that's your i don't even remember what yeah
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  Speaker 2: i don't even remember what year that is at the
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  Speaker 2: top of my head i.
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  Speaker 1: Know it's six it was me i was.
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  Speaker 2: Seven years old okay i was seven years old so
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  Speaker 2: there we go No, I was probably actually six because
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  Speaker 2: I was born in July. So Romania is happening earlier
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  Speaker 2: in the year. So yeah, I was six going on seven.
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  Speaker 2: And I did not do that on purpose. That just
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  Speaker 2: presented itself and I knocked it down.
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  Speaker 1: There are kids in some dad's car listening, just rolling
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  Speaker 1: their eyes right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: We don't even do that anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Shouldn't have done it in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I've lived all the memes. It was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: when we were growing up, we would just tell each
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  Speaker 1: other suck it and give each other a middle finger.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that was about right.
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  Speaker 2: We had our own brain rot growing up too, like
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  Speaker 2: 1738 and all the other stupid crap that we did.
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  Speaker 2: Even though it doesn't make sense to us now, it
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  Speaker 2: makes sense to the kids because the stuff that we
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  Speaker 2: did didn't make sense to our parents and vice versa
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  Speaker 2: to them. Everything was ragged and gnarly and cool in
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  Speaker 2: the 80s. Everybody's like, what in the hell are you
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  Speaker 2: talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and then everything was like, no, that's bad.
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  Speaker 1: It was like, Like, oh, it's bad? Like, no, bad
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  Speaker 1: means good.
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  Speaker 2: Bad means good. Yeah, like, yeah, exactly. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Bill and Ted. Like, no, bad means good, bro.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, I just love knowing what the new stuff's
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  Speaker 1: going to be. And then just throwing a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of the old stuff at them. Be like, you don't
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  Speaker 1: know that? Ugh, you're not cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, you don't know how to do cursive? Sucks
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  Speaker 2: to be you, bro.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely a lost art.
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  Speaker 2: Facts.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what was your first live wrestling show?
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  Speaker 2: First live wrestling show was, I think, a Raw. It
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  Speaker 2: was either Raw or SmackDown. I know that. I'm pretty
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  Speaker 2: sure it was Raw. And I want to say it
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  Speaker 2: was the episode where Trish Stratus kissed Jeff Hardy. And
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  Speaker 2: I was highly upset. I was highly upset.
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  Speaker 1: I was upset for a different reason, but yes.
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  Speaker 2: You know what we were upset for the exact same reason.
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  Speaker 1: You're right yes you're right.
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  Speaker 2: We were upset for the exact same reason and i
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  Speaker 2: didn't realize later until it was for two reasons but
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  Speaker 2: you know it's it is what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Well exactly what so okay i always wonder because like
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  Speaker 1: if some people wouldn't go to like house shows obviously
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  Speaker 1: those are so much different or like you know obviously
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  Speaker 1: a raw or smackdown is gonna be very structured or
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  Speaker 1: if people just happen to go like to a local
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  Speaker 1: carnival or even an indie show somehow, like I'm always
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  Speaker 1: curious about that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, like I had went to raw when I was
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  Speaker 2: a kid with my, like my dad had taken me
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  Speaker 2: and stuff. I had went to like, I think a
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  Speaker 2: SmackDown house show and I got to see undertakers. That
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  Speaker 2: was kind of cool. I think Brock Lesnar was also
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  Speaker 2: on the show. Like it was, it was a wild
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  Speaker 2: time to be a wrestling fan in the early two thousands.
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  Speaker 2: But when I was like six, like 15 or 16
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  Speaker 2: or so, um, WWE had, um, they had just released
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Hardy and he was coming to town through big
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  Speaker 2: time wrestling in Newark, California. And every month or so
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  Speaker 2: they would go through, um, my friend Milo, um, through
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  Speaker 2: his shop Milo's collectibles and they would do like autograph
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  Speaker 2: signings and stuff through Toys R Us. And, um, Jeff
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  Speaker 2: Hardy was coming through town. I'm like, oh, there's no
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  Speaker 2: way in hell I'm going to miss this. Like, bro,
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  Speaker 2: absolutely not. My, yeah. So, you know, made my mom
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  Speaker 2: get tickets and everything. I even like, I accidentally like walked,
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  Speaker 2: like left it in my pocket because ADHD and it
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  Speaker 2: like got washed. Oh, I had a meltdown. It was,
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  Speaker 2: everything was fine. I got to do it and everything.
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  Speaker 2: But like, because of that meet and greet, that's how
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  Speaker 2: I found big time wrestling and started going to like
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  Speaker 2: indie shows as a kid. And so I got stuck
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  Speaker 2: into that little big time wrestling loop and bubble and
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: got to see people like dark chic for the first time. Um,
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  Speaker 2: so I've been watching dark chic wrestle since I was 15,
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  Speaker 2: 16 years old, um, getting to meet all of these,
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  Speaker 2: you know, former and current WWE superstars. Cause they would
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  Speaker 2: come in and do the meet and greets through him because,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they had whatever deal that they had going on. Um,
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  Speaker 2: so yeah, it was just, it was really cool to
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  Speaker 2: finally see and like how intimate professional wrestling can get
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  Speaker 2: when there's not like a 50 foot guardrail radius from
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  Speaker 2: you in the ring. And like the wrestlers aren't, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they don't have to, they're not held back by unfortunate,
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  Speaker 2: you know, some of them should be held back, but
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  Speaker 2: you know, they're not held back by laws or rules
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  Speaker 2: that they have to abide by. Otherwise they're going to
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  Speaker 2: lose their job because it's independent contracting and whatnot. So.
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  Speaker 1: When was it that you, it, the bug bit you,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, you know what? I want to be on
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  Speaker 1: that side of the guardrail. I want to be, I
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  Speaker 1: want to be in that ring.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, let's see. July 31st, 1989 at 2 45 PM.
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  Speaker 2: When I came out of my mother, you didn't have
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  Speaker 2: a choice. No, not at all. My, like my parents
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  Speaker 2: and my grandparents watched it growing up, like my dad, especially.
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  Speaker 2: And so we watched it as kids and I just,
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  Speaker 2: I grew up watching it. I was the weird chick
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  Speaker 2: in school that I, I wasn't, you know, hey, Kiki,
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  Speaker 2: what do you want to be when you grow up? Like,
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  Speaker 2: I want to be a princess or I want to
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  Speaker 2: be a veterinarian or a doctor. Like, no, I want
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  Speaker 2: to be a professional wrestler. And they're like, I'm sorry, what? Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I want to be a wrestler and a singer.
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  Speaker 1: And I've seen online you've done both at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: I did. That was a fun day. It was myself
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  Speaker 2: and Namor Sage. And he called me out for culturally
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  Speaker 2: appropriating his fish man race. Because I have the Little
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  Speaker 2: Mermaid along with Sebastian and Flounder tattooed on my left arm.
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  Speaker 2: And so I decided to try and appease his people
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  Speaker 2: by singing my very own rendition of Part of Your World.
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  Speaker 2: And it did not go well at the first. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But you nailed the ending and you really got the
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  Speaker 1: crowd into it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I was so excited because like go going
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  Speaker 2: into that show. I knew that something stupid had to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Cause I'm like, I know that at the time I
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  Speaker 2: was always going to be doing a promo of some
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  Speaker 2: sort because it was the flight attendant. And I was
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  Speaker 2: like introducing things throughout the show. And I was always
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  Speaker 2: like that one little, you know, it's like your flight
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  Speaker 2: attendant on your flight. They give you your little updates
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  Speaker 2: throughout your flight and how everything's going and check on
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  Speaker 2: your stuff. Uh, So like on my way, I'm smoking
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, it'd be hella funny if
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  Speaker 2: I did this. So I ordered a ukulele off of,
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: because this is what I love about SOS. So SOS
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  Speaker 2: Pro Wrestling here in Tacoma, Washington, most of the time
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  Speaker 2: the show is named after like some sort of movie
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  Speaker 2: or like a TV show or something cool like that.
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  Speaker 2: And that particular show was called The Road to El Dorado.
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  Speaker 2: And well, when you have shows like that, it is like,
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  Speaker 2: I can't not do something stupid related to said show.
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  Speaker 2: So like we had uh when nature calls i'm a
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: 90s kid so ace ventura immediately in my head And
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  Speaker 2: I was wrestling a chick who is like a wolf
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  Speaker 2: type character and she bit me. So I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know the Von Slashers were biters, you know,
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  Speaker 2: things like that. And like, she like made my arms
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  Speaker 2: not work. So I'm running around the ring with no arms,
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  Speaker 2: like how he was running in the forest. Like it's
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  Speaker 2: too much. So with it being The Road to El Dorado,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I can pull from the cartoon or
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  Speaker 2: I can pull from the live action, which are two
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  Speaker 2: completely different movies. I'm like, let me pull from the
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  Speaker 2: cartoon because duh. And so I got the real nice
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: picture of the meme with me and the guitar and
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  Speaker 2: the red outfit. I even put up like the, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the side by side at one point.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you have to do stuff like that because
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  Speaker 1: it makes it better for, well, just everyone really.
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  Speaker 2: It makes it fun. Like, yeah. If you're not having fun,
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  Speaker 2: then what's the point?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's what, like, it's the old saying
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  Speaker 1: that wrestling needs to be a buffet. It literally needs
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: to have a little bit of everything. And they always
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: say funny that makes no money, but Santino did great.
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  Speaker 1: I think Mick Foley was doing very well. So clearly
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  Speaker 1: that's not true.
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  Speaker 2: Funny doesn't make money because they say that because they
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  Speaker 2: don't know how to do it. Exactly. If you know
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  Speaker 2: the psychology and you know how to do it properly,
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  Speaker 2: look at Cole Cabana, man. Yeah. Look at people like
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  Speaker 2: Taguchi over in New Japan.
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  Speaker 1: Look at Orange Cassidy.
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  Speaker 2: Orange Cassidy? Look at Dan Housen for criminy's sake. How
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  Speaker 2: funny does it make money? Like, bro, I'm sorry. Are
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: you watching them on television? Yes? Okay, then shut your mouth.
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: Are you doing that? No? Okay, shut your mouth.
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  Speaker 1: I believe he was, yeah, I think WrestleMania time this year,
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  Speaker 1: he was the number three seller or number two? merchandise
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  Speaker 1: seller that weekend obviously cody rhodes was number one and
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: i think punk was two but then like later in
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  Speaker 1: the year when he was around more i think he
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  Speaker 1: was number one or number two he was like oh
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  Speaker 1: it's him and cody rhodes back and forth with like
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  Speaker 1: merchandise like it's just nuts how much money he's actually
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  Speaker 1: making like real human money.
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  Speaker 2: Real human monies yeah so it happens when you're a
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  Speaker 2: good person and you have a great gimmick.
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  Speaker 1: See exactly yeah the cream always rises the crop Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what, so obviously funny on a independent level
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  Speaker 1: and funny on a national level are much different because
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: you get a lot more time and you have so
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  Speaker 1: much more freedom in the independent world. And you can
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  Speaker 1: obviously include so much when it comes to the fans.
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  Speaker 1: What is some stuff that you have really kind of
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  Speaker 1: seen that works and stuff that you thought was really
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  Speaker 1: going to be good and then you kind of fell flat?
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  Speaker 2: In what way?
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  Speaker 1: In like the funny kind of like something that you
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  Speaker 1: were trying to do, obviously to lighten up a match
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  Speaker 1: or a situation, but it just kind of fell flat.
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  Speaker 2: I honestly off the top of my head, I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: even tell you.
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  Speaker 1: Everything lands.
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  Speaker 2: Not even it's not even that everything lands. It's I
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  Speaker 2: don't even try and dwell on it. Like I've been
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  Speaker 2: doing this for so long that. if something goes flat,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to allow it to be flat. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just going to bulldoze over and like, all right, cool.
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  Speaker 2: That didn't work. Next thing. Let's go with wrestling. I,
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  Speaker 2: I call it physical improv.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's just, it's exactly the same. At least to me,
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  Speaker 2: it is in my brain because in improv, we know
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  Speaker 2: what the, what the joke is supposed to be, but
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  Speaker 2: it's not funny until the comedian makes it funny. They
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  Speaker 2: have to tell the joke to make the word potato funny,
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  Speaker 2: you know? We know what's going to happen at the end.
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  Speaker 2: You don't know what's going to happen. It's up to
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  Speaker 2: us to tell that story. Right. It's up to us
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  Speaker 2: to suspend that disbelief of like, yes, we know that
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  Speaker 2: you know that we're not punching each other in the mouth,
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  Speaker 2: but we're still doing, you know, a anywhere between four
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  Speaker 2: and sometimes 60 to 75 minute straight one shot, no
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  Speaker 2: stop action sequence.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: And people forget that kind of stuff or they don't
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  Speaker 2: realize it. And when you put it in that perspective
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  Speaker 2: of like Jackie Chan, those one shot action scenes that
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  Speaker 2: he would do, and it'd be like anywhere from like
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  Speaker 2: three to five minutes of him just running and beating
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: the crap out of 50 guys. And it's all of
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  Speaker 2: this choreographed sequence, but he has to have so much
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  Speaker 2: time and practice to do all of these things. And
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: we get a couple hours before the show, if we're lucky,
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  Speaker 2: And even then you're.
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  Speaker 1: Just talking it over like ideas of what you think
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  Speaker 1: will work.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. And sometimes you don't even get that. Sometimes it's, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: my music's on and my dude's finishing putting on his boots.
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  Speaker 2: I'll see out there, brother, man. Hopefully you know how
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  Speaker 2: to bump. Like I, I, and I've also watched, you know,
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  Speaker 2: people who have had the time for like, I've watched
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  Speaker 2: my trainer, like Bobby Hart and Timothy Thatcher go, Hey brother,
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  Speaker 2: Wrestling the night. All right, cool. I'm going to go
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  Speaker 2: take a nap and I'll see you right before the curtain.
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  Speaker 2: Like as a kid, I'm looking at this. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: you've got to be, you've got to be kidding me.
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  Speaker 2: Like how? Knowing, knowing what I know now, I'm like, okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I still don't want to do that, but
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  Speaker 2: if I had to, I could. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Do you, so you, you don't do it just to
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  Speaker 1: challenge yourself and just be like, you know what? Let's
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  Speaker 1: change things up for a night.
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  Speaker 2: Oh God. No. brother i've torn my knee three separate
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: times and broke my leg like i'm i'm not trying
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  Speaker 2: to go into nothing without like on the floor no
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  Speaker 2: no sir especially if like unless i know you or
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: we work together before often like sure there there's a
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  Speaker 2: a leeway that i can give but like i mean Shoot,
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  Speaker 2: I actually, I just gave a girl her very first
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  Speaker 2: match about a month or so ago. And we ended
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  Speaker 2: up being late getting there. And I'm literally like in
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  Speaker 2: the tent, putting my gear on, trying to call something
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  Speaker 2: while also putting on my makeup. Once I'm doing like
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  Speaker 2: we have, I have about half an hour to not
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  Speaker 2: only put my gear on, put my makeup on and
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  Speaker 2: call this match. And then we ended up getting our
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  Speaker 2: time cut right as my music was hitting.
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  Speaker 1: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: So we had like eight to ten. And then they're like, oh, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you have eight. We're like, all right, cool. That's no
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  Speaker 2: big deal. And then right as I'm like, we're on deck.
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  Speaker 2: And they're like, hey, you guys have five minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Five minutes?
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  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 1: Is that bell to bell or curtain to curtain?
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  Speaker 2: Bell. Again, for me, not a big deal for someone
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  Speaker 2: who's never had a wrestling match before. And our time
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: is getting Bella twinned, you know, exactly like it's that
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  Speaker 2: stressful for them, you know? Yeah. For me, I'm like, Oh, okay. Whatever. Like,
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  Speaker 2: especially thankfully as, as the heel, like I can, I
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: control the pace and I can, can, you know, make
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: sure everybody's good and Gucci. But like, I'm looking at
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: her like, all right, cool. We're going to do this
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: and this. Just listen to me out there. We'll be fine.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: See you out there. Do my entrance.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But obviously with her first match, it didn't matter.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Like no time was cut. You guys were somehow going
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: an hour Broadway. Like it still would have been like
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: the biggest fucking like, Oh my God, what am I
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: supposed to, I'm going to forget everything. Absolutely. Blow up.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: You know, all the bad scenarios are in your head.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And like afterwards, their partner came up to me
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: and was like, oh, my God, I'm so glad it
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: was you. That was their first match. And like, I'm
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: grateful to even be in that position where people trust
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: me enough to be like, here's my student who's never
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: wrestled before. Here you go. Please help. And I'm like, OK,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: got you. Because it's crazy, like the especially now that
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I'm out here in Washington, there's a lot more people
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: training and stuff like that. So, like, I've done a
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: lot more first-time matches, but, like, even back in the day, like,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: the random first-time matches that I've got, people would be
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: highly surprised, be like, I'm sorry, you broke who into
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: the business?
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, who is, so who is somebody that, when you
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: were getting in, that they kind of did that for you?
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Well, like, when I was in training, and I hadn't
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: even had a practice match before, my very first match
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: ever was Christina Bonieri. Okay. So she and I are from, yeah, we're,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: we're from the same area. We were trained by, you know,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: most of the same people. Um, but yeah, she was
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: my very first like practice match ever, ever, ever. Um,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: and then we ended up getting to wrestle each other
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: a couple more times down the road. So that like, she's,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: you know, like my, it's funny. She's like my big
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: little sister. Cause we're right around the same age. I
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: think I'm actually a year like older than her or
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: something like that. Like we're very, very close in age,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: but she's been wrestling like three or four years longer
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: than I have. Um, But like somebody who did that
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: for me, it's hard to think about because like a
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: lot of the people that I grew up wrestling at
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: the beginning were all kind of like along, like we
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: kind of all taught each other and we were all
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: on the same level. And I didn't really get like
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: a big name.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: No.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Now that I think about it, Candice LeRae. Okay. Candice
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: LeRae did that for me. And it kind of happened twice.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Once with Candice and then once with Jessica Havoc.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. What do you think you learned from, obviously...
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: obviously so early in your career, but what do you
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: think you learned from both of them?
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Being able to work with Candice, like just working, like
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: learning how to work with the crowd, learning how to
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: work with, uh, bad things happening in the match. Like
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: there was, there was a tag match that she and
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I were in. that not only did one of my partners,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: she tweaked her, it was me, Hudson Envy, and I
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: think Sage Sin versus Candice, Hanaya Howling Huntress, and Cole Pistol,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I think. I mean, you're testing my CTE here. And
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: what happened was me and Hudson were supposed to catch
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: somebody and like when she landed her she like tweaked
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: her knee or tweaked her ankle or something like that
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: and I had to get up and immediately like cat
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I think it was like Hanaya dived us and she
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: tweaked her knee and then I had to get up
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: and uh because like it was like the can not
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Candace but uh Sage was diving for Hanaya and caught
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: me instead or something like that so I had to
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: be up to make sure I was there to catch
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: her I think Cole had already dove too. So now
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: it was like up to Candice and Candice goes to
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: do her big moonsault that she does off of the
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: top turnbuckle. And I look around and everybody's behind me,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: like significantly behind me. And I look at her and
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: so funny is when Candice and I had first wrestled,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I accidentally kicked hers like square in the mouth on
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: one of our sequences. I felt so freaking bad. Oh
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: my God, I felt so fucking bad. So as, as
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I'm getting up to look and I see her, she
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: goes to do her moonsault. And like, as I catch her, I,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: we kind of like 69 on the way down. Cause that's,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: that's how, that's the only safe way I can get
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: her and not have her just fucking die. And so
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: it like need be square in the mouth. And later on,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I was like, that's cool. That was your receipt for,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: for me kicking you. I'm so sorry. But yeah, like
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: just being able to like be there and work on
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: the fly and like do that kind of thing. But
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: with Jessica, it was my Shimmer debut and it was
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: supposed to be a, you know, quote unquote squash match
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: or whatever. And she's like, I know we only have
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: a significant amount of time and it's, you know, a
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: squash or what people would consider a squash, but I
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: want you to be able to, you know, kind of
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: get your shit in. Like, just because she's going to
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: win and she's going to, you know, she's the bigger
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: name or whatever, doesn't mean that she has to completely
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: like negate anything that I've done prior to getting there.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Like there's a reason why I'm in the spot that
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I'm in. So let's showcase what you can do, even
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: though everybody knows I'm going to win.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: So it really helps me with people who are either
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: younger in the business or maybe don't have as much
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: experience wrestling around. Like maybe they don't have as many
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: reps or something like that, or, you know, just don't
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: have certain knowledge that others could. And it helps me
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: to bring them to the top of their level and
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: then like kind of push them further than that, because
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: you can't expect somebody to work at your level if
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: they're not there.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Obviously.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, so who are some veterans now that
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: you will still kind of I mean, you're a veteran
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: yourself and so you're helping people all the time as well.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: But who are still some people that you kind of
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: bend their ear on when it comes to matches or
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: ideas or whatever it is?
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Straight up text my trainer I'll text Mike Rain and
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: be like hey does this make sense um depending on
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: the show that I'm at like whoever's on the car
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: like I'll I'll hit it you know I'll walk up
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: to Ethan HD and be like hey does this make
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: sense or like for for the people that like because
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I'm currently in Washington so there's there's really not like
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: a ton of people that I get to really be
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: around that are more nationally known I guess you could
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: say but like uh ASW this past weekend I was
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: wrestling Murphy Madsen she and I've worked together before but
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: there was a certain story that needed to be told
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: involving the referee and like he and I have had
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: a story that's being revived after the last couple of
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: years of me being hurt so not only did I
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: ask her trainer Dave Turner I also asked Evan Rivers
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: because like it to me it's not necessarily like oh,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I'm going to ask this veteran. Like, I've been on
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: shows with Nick Wayne and gone to Nick and be like, hey, Nick,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: does this make sense? Hey, Nick, what do you think
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: of this? I've gone after a match and I see
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Nick standing there. I'm like, Nick, did you watch my match?
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: What did you think? Like, my freaking career is damn
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: near almost as old as he is. But... it doesn't
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: matter if you've been wrestling longer than I have or not. If,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: if you have more knowledge that, that I don't, or like,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not a sequency person. I'm not a spot monkey.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I'm a brawler. So my brain doesn't think that way.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I I'm thinking of ways to stop your sequence, not
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: how to like make myself flashy. So like if, if
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: it works, I'm like, okay, does this, does this work?
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Does this make sense to you? Is this something that
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: you would do? And they'd be like, yeah. Or they'd
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: be like, you know, yeah, I get what you're trying
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: to do, but like, what if you did this, this
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: and this? Oh, that makes sense. Like me and Evan
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: had went over two different spots for the ref bump
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: that I wanted to do on Saturday. And it ended up,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: we ended up using the second one because I was
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: thinking about it, thinking about it. And then I would
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: go back over to him. I was like, Hey, what
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: do you think about this? He's like, actually, you know,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: what if we did that? And I'm like, oh, you
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: know what? No, that works too. That's super good because
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I need this story to be told and I need
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: this to happen.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: That's why I love the collaboration when it comes to
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: pro wrestling. Because I'm lucky enough to be backstage a
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: lot of times and I get to see this and
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: then you go out and then you get to watch
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: the match after you've heard them talking about it and like,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: you see like, okay, they didn't do it from this angle,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: but then they did get it, but it came in
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: from the corner as opposed to off the rope or
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: different things like that. And as a pro wrestling fan,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite things.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I was watching, I think I was watching AAA the
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: other night and somebody went to go do a freaking,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I'm stealing the shit out of this. My next match,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: oh my God. They went to go hip toss them.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: And instead of the hip toss, they fucking clothesline them
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: out of it. Oh, thank you. I was like, you
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: can do that. What? Stolen. Immediately stolen.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I was watching one of the, because
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: unfortunately I don't, you know, make the time to watch
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: all of New Japan. But I like to watch the
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: highlights that I guess they put on YouTube. And there
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: was a spear off the apron that I was like, oh,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: from that angle, it looks so much better. And I
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: was like, that's going to come to America so fast.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet, but I'm not saying it
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: hasn't happened either.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I'm sure one of my students will end up swooping it.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I'll even go up to like, so like my partner
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: is also like, he was my partner first and then
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: he started training, but like my, my partner and I'll
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: go up to him and he'll, he'll ask me questions
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: and stuff. And then I'll go up and like, Hey,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: does this make sense? Cause you're more of a sequencing guy.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Like you're more like, you know, this particular trainer that
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: you took after, like, but if you don't collaborate, like
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I take, Something that Ric Flair said to heart is
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: if you think that you've stopped learning, then get out
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: of the business. Because there's always something new to learn.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: There are always going to be what I call clicks.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Like once you think you've understood something, something else will happen.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Somebody else will say something. You'll go to a seminar
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: and somebody will talk about it a different way. Or
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: somebody might even say what pisses me off so much
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: is I will tell my students something. Or I'll tell
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: somebody something and then they'll go and listen to somebody
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: else say, I'm so dead ass when I say verbatim
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: word for word, the exact same fucking thing that I did.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: But it clicks for them because that person said it again.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Like perfect example. I was texting, texting one of my
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: students and I was like, blah, blah, blah, blah. We
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: go to training the next day. The other trainer, I
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: hadn't said shit. Didn't even know that that's what they
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: were going to talk about. Fucking verbatim. Exactly what I said.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I'm just looking at him. Didn't even say where. I'm
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: just looking at him like, wow. You know what? That's
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: a good point, Dave. Yeah.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, it got in. So, I mean, that's the
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: best way to look at it. At least the knowledge
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: got in.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, but yeah, that shit just irks me. Because I
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: can see when it's because it's usually either because I'm
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: a woman or they're just like, oh, well, she's always
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: trying to say something. So, you know, whatever. It's probably
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: not as serious as she's making it. I don't know
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: what their fucking excuse is. But then I hear somebody
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: else say something or they'll come back and be like, oh, yeah,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: so-and-so said X, Y, Z. And I'm like, oh, okay.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: So-and-so, huh?
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Well, do you still see people looking at you differently
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: because you are a woman in the industry? I mean,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: obviously it may have happened more when you were earlier
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: in your career, but now in 2026, do you still
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: kind of see that?
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. You know, I'll get, I'll get students who
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: come in and, you know, they see me. It was,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: it was a little difficult at first when I was
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: hurt because I was, I was trying to teach while,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: recovering as well so like not being able to physically
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: do everything but like explain that i know how to
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: that i know what i'm fucking doing uh well i've
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: been doing this for 18 years coming in march like
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: i know what i wouldn't be here if i didn't
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: know what i was talking about for for one um
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: but like the the big I'm going to, I'm going
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: to look at you and pretend like I'm not like
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: pretend that I'm patient. Like I'm going to pay attention
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: to what you're saying, but there's a giant man next
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: to you. So I'm going to look at him and
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: make sure that you're actually like saying what's correct. Like
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I'm going to double check with him to make sure
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: that you're right. Or still fighting for intergender wrestling. Like,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: holy hell. Is that a struggle and a half? Like
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: I've been, I've been working for this at a, a
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: couple of companies, one specific company in Canada, uh, for
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: over the last like four years. And the storyline is
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: finally happening where it's full on intergender and not mixed tag.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Like this is a full on one. It's going to
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: end in a one V one with a man versus
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: a woman. Um, and, and my, my big thing about
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: it is like my mentor, Lou Fisto did not fight
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: the Canadian sports commission and win the to fight for
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: intergender wrestling and for it to not happen just because
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: you think that like the, the, the domestic violence thing
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: gets me every time. Cause I'm like, I'm sorry. I
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: didn't realize that domestic violence was consensual because as far
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: as I'm concerned, if I go out there wrestling a man,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I fucking consented to it. Pretty sure
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: that I'm wrestling with people that went through the same
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: thing that I did and trained the same way that
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I did. And I probably trained harder, if not worse
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: and got treated worse because I'm a woman. To do
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: exactly the same thing that you're doing right here. So
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: how dare you discredit me and what I've done and
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: how hard I've worked to get to this point by
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: saying that, oh, no, it's going to make people uncomfortable. No.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: You know what? Let them be uncomfortable then. Because it
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: starts a conversation. And you know what else it does?
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: It gives people in those situations the courage to leave.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: The amount of women that come up to me when
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: they see me, even if I'm wrestling a girl who
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: is smaller than me, the amount of women I get
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: up that come up to me and say, I'm so
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: glad to see somebody who's real looking out there. I'm
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: so glad to see somebody who looks like me. I
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: love how powerful you are. I love that you're curvy.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I love this. I love that. And it's because they
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: don't see it. We have Nia Jax and Lash Legend.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Thank fucking God. We had Piper Niven before she got hurt,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: and I hope she recovers quickly because she's also a
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: good friend of mine. We need that representation. We don't
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: have the Dusty Rhodes and the Bam Bam Bigelows anymore.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: We've got people making fun of people like Mason Rook.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: You can run circles around these people. Like you can't
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: even wrestle yourself out of a wet paper bag and
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: you want to make fun of him because he's a
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: big dude. Get the Holy, like get the, like all
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: the way the hell out of here. They, we need that.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: We need it.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: No, you're, you're a hundred. Yeah. You're a thousand percent.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: We need people of all sizes, no matter whether it
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: be super skinny or all the way on the other spectrum. Like,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: everybody in the middle, like if we're doing wrestling as
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: a buffet, we need it all in all forms. So
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: the fact that people are getting so up in arms
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: about this kind of stuff, well, get into the business,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: do something about it. Like, or don't watch. That's the
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: other thing you could easily just not watch. Do you
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: watch TV on a regular basis? Like, ah, there's too
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: many of these people. Like, no, that's not how this works.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Like you go because you are here to support independent
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: wrestling or, or, giant wrestling, whatever it is, the sport
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: of pro wrestling, you have to embrace every single part
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: of it. And if you don't like that part, then
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: either don't watch that part or, you know, just open
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: your mind a little bit to it and be like, oh,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: you know what, this isn't as bad as I thought
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: it was. It was just something that I was making
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: up on my own.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Well, it's funny how they'll be so supportive of, like,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: a Marvel superhero. Like, oh, yeah, let's get Yelena Belova
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: to freaking kick the shit out of the Foot Clan
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: or whatever the crap, you know, like... You're okay with
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: that kind of intergender violence. You're okay with Tomb Raider
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: or Resident Evil or something like that. Oh, well, that's
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: just a movie. Say it again slowly. Let me hold
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: your hand while you think.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Let me draw you a crayon picture for you.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Like, or watching a Broadway or a play. Like, well, yeah, well,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: that's just a Broadway or a play. Okay. Okay, again,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: I'm going to hold your hand real hard. You're almost there.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: We're going to get there together. I love intergender matches,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: and again, it's the story on how you do it.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I've seen Tessa Blanchard and Brian Cage, and I thought
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: that was one of the best matches I've ever seen.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: It didn't matter that it was intergender, but it was
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: just a very well told story and between two phenomenal wrestlers.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: So it can be whatever it is. It's just how
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: the story is told.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: My favorite thing about intergender wrestling is going to like
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: going to the back. Cause there's always, there's always going
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: to be somebody in the back. Like one of the
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: boys that's like not a super fan of intergender wrestling,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: but like they either like one or the other person
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: in the match. They're like, all right, you know what?
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Let me, let me just see how this turns out.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Cause you know, whatever. And like a big, ugly JD Bishop,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: love him to death, but he was not the biggest
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: fan of intergender wrestling, even though he's produced like four
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: of the greatest women's wrestlers in the fucking world between
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: like me, Von Erie and Brittany Wonder. Like he, he,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: he produces great women's wrestlers and his daughter Salem and
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: his son, Titus Alexander, like, The man knows what the
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: hell he's doing, but he just was never a huge
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: fan of intergender wrestling until me and Brittany started wrestling,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: and then he started watching us, and he's like, oh. Oh, shit. Okay,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: you know what? You guys actually made me like it
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: because you took... You added psychology to it. You made
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: it make sense. It also helps that me and Brittany
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: are very thick and curvy women. So we used our
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: size to our advantage, but I always was weirded out by...
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: the fact that like, just because somebody is taller than me,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: that didn't make them bigger than me. And I'm like, look,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: just because I'm wide doesn't negate the fact that they
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: have a six inch leverage on me. Certain things don't
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: work very well. If I pick them up on my
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: shoulder and they can just put their hands on the ground. Yeah.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: There's a big difference.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Can't really give, you know, big Cass a driver when
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: I'm five foot two and he's seven feet tall.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Doesn't work out well for him.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: No, not very well. I'm going to make sure I
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: put him on his knees and tell him to look
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: at the flowers. I'm going to kick him in the
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: fucking head.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Well, so what are some standards that are normally in
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: your bag? Cause I know show days can be very
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: long days. And a lot of times, uh, there's no
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: food backstage. So how, what is the standards for your,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: for your bags?
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Um, I don't have any, even though I really should. Yeah. I,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I am no longer in my twenties, even though I
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: pretend like I am. I it's, it's very hard on
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: my body to be like, all right, cool. We're going
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: to go drive three hours to a show and not
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: eat anything until after the show's over at 9. PM. So, uh,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: my body started rejecting that a few years ago was
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: like hey you're gonna you're gonna get a fat ass
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: migraine you're gonna throw up on the way home so
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: have fun I try and make sure that I at
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: least eat something within like two to three hours before
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I wrestle um that doesn't matter not not that it
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter what it is but I try not to
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: make it anything like fried or anything that like is
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: going to upset my stomach because I have this innate fear,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: knock on wood, that it's never going to fucking happen
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: of me. That's something happening in the ring. Okay. I am. No,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: please don't. I don't want that ever to happen. So nice,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: nice break between food and the match. Uh, and then
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: I just actually started bringing electrolyte packets with me because
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I don't hydrate as well as I should, because I'm
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: a girl and who wants to hydrate? Okay.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Well, so we kind of talked about it, but like what,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: if people have never seen you wrestle before, what three
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: matches did they go out of their way to watch?
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Three matches go out of their way to watch me
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: versus Shotzi. So Kikio versus Shotzi for the gold rush
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: women's wrestling championship, the lady luck championship uh be the
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: second one the one where uh she is the champion
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: it's a hardcore match um there's that one um maybe
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: me versus robin renegade from sos pro wrestling um oh
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: this is a hard question me versus Lou dark best
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: of seven world series of glass match from IWA.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: That sounds fun. Oof. Just trying to think about that. Um,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: so I normally ask all the wrestlers, this male and female.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: So I will ask these to you as well. Do
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: you have a double stick tape story?
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: No, I, I do not have like, I, probably should
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: tape my stuff in but i'm lucky enough to have
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: found a sports bra that um keeps the girls in
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: so i i don't have a double-sided i do have
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: a uh a onesie story though tell us so the
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: first time that i met brandy lauren um was at
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: shine in florida and she needed help getting her stuff
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: snapped and so She's like, somebody help me. I'm like, yeah,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I got you. And she just, on the couch, ankles
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: to shoulder. I'm like, all right. Snapped it together. All right,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: you're good.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: That's how you truly get close to somebody.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah. Either that or you go to massage
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: therapy school like I did and then tell everybody, hey,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: by the way, I know how to do massage therapy.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: And they're like, please touch me. Yeah.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, you just opened yourself up for that one, yeah.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, exactly. All the butts. I get to touch
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: all the butts. Like, I helped Cat Power stand up
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: one time because her hips were all screwed up, stuck
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: an elbow into her glutes, and she got up off
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: the floor, and Allison Danger's like, you realize what you
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: just did, right? And she's like, no, what are you
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: talking about? She's like, you just got up off the
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: floor by yourself. She's like, oh, shit, you're right. Bought
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: me a drink that night. It's like, all right.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: It's little things.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Well, as much as it's a physical sport, it's also
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: a mental one as well. What do you, what have
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: you found is kind of works for you mentally, whether
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: it be before a match or getting hyped up or
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: coming back down from one or remembering things at spots
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that?
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I try not to like bombard myself with super intricate
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: details because When it comes to like the spots and
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, I really like to call my matches
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: in moments. I really like to do, you know, beginning,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: middle and end. I'll start at the end and I'll
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: work my way backwards because I can't tell this. Like
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: for me, I can't tell the story that I need
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: to tell if I don't know how it's going to end. Right.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Or if we have something specific that needs to happen
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: in the match, I'm going to work. I'm going to
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: work how we want to use that and where and
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: then kind of build it that way. um so like
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: i try and like like i'm not somebody who's gonna
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: be like okay so we're gonna lock up and then
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: i'm gonna take your wrist and i'm gonna move you
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: into this and then yeah i can't do it like
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: no or or all right so after i cut you
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: off i'm gonna punch you three times then i'm gonna
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: kick you into the like no you just stay open
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: and fucking protect yourself i don't know um be a
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: wrestler I shouldn't have to call my heat. Like for
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: me personally, other people, they might have to do that.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: That's completely fine. Like I know some people like coming up,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I was, uh, I would hear people getting made fun
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: of for writing their stuff down. And then I go
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: to Japan and the girls at stardom are writing shit down.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, cool. If I ever hear of
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: anybody making fun of anybody again, I'm slap the shit
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: off them because if the girls at stardom can write
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: their shit down, you can write your shit down. If
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: that's how you have to remember your stuff. I've literally
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: put it in my phone. Cause I don't keep a
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: pen and paper with me, but I'll just, I'm, Wrestling, gosh,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: I had three matches one day. I was doing the
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Queen of Thorns tournament a few weeks ago, and I've
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: got three matches to remember. So, yeah, I wrote a
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: couple of things down because how else am I going
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: to fucking remember it if I don't? Yep.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: What about when it comes to aftermatch? How do you
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: kind of like to come down from that?
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I smoke a lot of weed. I get it. I'm
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: not a pill person. I honestly don't even drink very often.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: My pain medicine is all marijuana.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I completely understand that one. Well, I have a segment
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: on the show I call the five count, which is
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: five random questions. Number one, what are the last three
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: things you Googled?
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: I How much it would cost if I'm buying two
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: bags of cat food for $ 19. 29 because it was like
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: a buy two save $ 10. I'm like, okay, well, how
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: much am I actually fucking spending? Translating kittiness and downloading
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: YouTube videos. Actually downloading them to my phone so I
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: can make videos for myself or upload it to my
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: own shit because it's hard to find my stuff nowadays.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, promoters are pretty bad about Making sure they put
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: all the shit out, really.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: It's not even that they're bad about it. It's more of, like,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: I don't want to take away their views. Right. So, like,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I let things go for a certain amount of time,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: and then I'm like, alright, cool, let me go find.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: But then, like, by that time, either I forget about it,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: and CageMatch.net helps me out and remembers things that I forgot.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: I think CageMatch is kind of the unsung hero of
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: the internet wrestling community, honestly.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: It's also kind of creepy, because I've never once put
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: anything on there, and they've got a ton of shit on.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've talked to a lot of wrestlers and they
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: said a lot of matches are not on there. But again,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: it's stuff that you have to report and actually log in.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: I've never reported it and they've got more stuff on
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: there than I actually personally wrote down myself. I'm like,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: when did that? I'm like, oh shit, you're right. I
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: did do that. Oh my God.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: So again, cage matches are an unsung hero.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Right. Question number two.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Question number two. If you owned a liquor company, brewery, winery,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: coffee shop, or dispensary, which one would you own and
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: what would the name be?
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Definitely a Dispo.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's in the name, I feel like.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: It would be called... It'd be called Flower Nation. Okay.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I like that. I thought you would have called it.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: I call my fans the Boomeroo Nation.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: So I'm just like, you know what? I don't want
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: it to be the Boo-Boo Nation, though. I want it
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: to be the Flower Nation because you're getting flour at
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: the shop.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: There you go. Number three, who was your first celebrity crush?
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Probably Tommy Oliver and Kimberly the Power Rangers.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Either that or Xena, one of them somewhere around there.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: All great choices.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Xena's Rider Strong, a.k.a. Fucking Sean Hunter from Boy Meets World.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, again, fantastic.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I got to meet him when I was like six.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, I bet you're going crazy.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: You know, no, it was wild. I'm at Disneyland. So
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: I think they were actually either filming the Disneyland episode
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: or like they just happened. I don't know. He was
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: standing by a tree. Me and the girl that we
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: went with, like her family and stuff like she and
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: I are just standing there and we're like, oh, my God,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: that guy's really, really cute. Had no fucking clue who
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: the hell he was. And so we go over there
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: just because he's cute and like want your autograph. Cause
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: it's the nineties. Like that's just what you did in
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: the nineties. Cause people are weird like that. And then
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: I get home and I'm watching boy meets world. And
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, I'm like, what are you talking about?
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: What is wrong? What's going on?
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: I still have the photos actually up on my Facebook
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: somewhere of, yeah, me and her and like Sean Hunter
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: just randomly in like 1998, something like that.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like eight, like seven or eight years old, something.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Just out of the blue. Had no clue it was
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: even him until fucking way later.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: You've got him. I think he still does a circuit.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure you could meet him again and
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: recreate the picture. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Make that happen.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Daniel Fisher has to pretend to be my friend in
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: the middle, though.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, she is a huge wrestling fan, so I
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: think that would easily work.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: The universe is all works the same. Number four, who
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: or what inspires you?
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: That's a good question because it's hard now, especially doing
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: this so long. getting hurt at like, I, I like
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: to say I Finn Ballard myself, but I got hurt
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: at the pinnacle of my career. Like I, I was
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: three days into a three month stardom tour and I
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: tore my knee. Um, and I just haven't been able
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: to get back to that same level ever since. And
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: it's been eight years. Um, actually it's been nine years
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: now that I think about almost, yeah, this is 2018.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: So it's, it's getting there. Um, And so it changes like, right,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: like for the last couple of years it was my
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: students like those like just trying to help them be
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: better and then trying to just get like it got
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: to the point where the majority of the students that
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: I was training had never even seen me wrestle in
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: person Like, that was wild. Just even doing a practice match.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: And I remember asking them, I'm like, raise your hand
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: if you've never even physically seen me do a practice match,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: let alone wrestle in person. It was like, everyone but two.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: And that's when I was like, okay, no, I need
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: to like, I need to get my shit together. Like,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: I need to be able to wrestle in front of them. Like,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: I need to show them that I know what I'm
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: talking about. And I'm not just some, you know, fat
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: bitch on the corner, just run in my mouth you
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: know like so now it's okay let me my my
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: partner right now and it sounds so corny but like
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: his drive and the way that he pushes me and
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: he believes in me has really helped like it's it's
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: slow going because it being injured that heavily, like back
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: to back to back to back. Like I'm so serious. 20, July, 2018,
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: I tore my knee, came back the following August, tore
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: again that following March of 2021, had surgery again, didn't
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: come back until November. So like I didn't even wrestle
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: until like January of 2022. And then tore my right knee.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: That was both of my left knee. Like the first
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: one tore, then the second one was the graft never took.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: So then we used my hamstring because I used a
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: cadaver the first time. Uh, my third knee tear happened July, 2024.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: And my right knee just said, fuck it. I'm out.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: I was, I had, I was wrestling Amira and I
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: had her in a headlock. She picked me up. I
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: wrenched down and my knee just said, Nope, gone two
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: minutes into the match. Um, and then I came back
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: that following July of 2025, I had four matches. Um,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: I had an absolute fucking banger with Sue Young. My
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: first match back, um, You can catch that. Oh, I
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: watched that earlier.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: That was your first match back?
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: That was my first match back from my knee tear.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't look like it.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: That ended up being third match of the year for
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: that company.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: My first match back. And then I had three more matches.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: I wrestled twice at Bunker Shoot. And then I wrestled
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: at SOS like a week or so. Was it September 12th?
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: or September 11th, 12th, something like that. And then after
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: the show, we go to the bar and I tripped
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: in a pothole and broke my leg. Jesus. Yeah. Like
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: it was just, I literally like, everybody's like, dude, didn't
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: she just come back? Like, yeah, yeah, she did. And
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: so I literally just now came back from that just
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: a few months ago. So I had four matches last
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: year and now I think I'm up to 25 after
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: just coming back in like July or August or something
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Thank you so yeah now it's just like trying to
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: trying to just get back in the groove of things
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: and and remind everybody like hey I'm still here I
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: might be 37 but I don't wrestle like I'm in
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: my 30s like late 30s I don't I still know
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: what I'm doing I can still give the like I
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: can still give the people that you want to put
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: over all the things that you need them to do
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: but like you wouldn't have shit without me. Like I'm
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: coming back to certain companies and they're like, Oh my God, finally.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: And I'm like looking around and like, Oh my God,
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: what has happened since I've been gone? I think this
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: is terrible.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Well, now you get to come back and clean it
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: all up.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, I came back in May.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: And number five, what would you tell your 17 year
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: old self?
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: So many things. So many things. Don't go here. Avoid
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: this person. Don't believe them when they tell you that
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: like there's so many things. And I know people say like, well,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: if you tell if this didn't happen, then you wouldn't
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: have this or if this didn't happen, you wouldn't have this.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah. But, you know, also looking back on it,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: if I would have done certain things, I would have
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: avoided not only avoided certain traumas. but I would be
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: in such a better position, not only like mentally, but
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: in wrestling. Like had I gone to a different school,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: had I made it to the school that I was,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: that I eventually ended up going to after all of
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: the bull crap, I would have a better mental health,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: like regarding my body. I would have learned how to
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: wrestle the way that I do quicker, which means I
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: would have been better at it. and I would have
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: been wrestling men and people above my pay grade quicker.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: I would have been afforded opportunities that should have been
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: given to me and were given to other people instead
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: because of who I was around. So there's certain things
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: where I'm like, you know what? No, like, hey, go here.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: If you're going to do this, go here. Trust these people.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Let these people into your life, but only let them
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: so far. Do not let them get past this point.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: believe in yourself just because you are a bigger person
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: does not necessarily mean that you have to be a
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: heel because that's bullshit. That's what I was told day one, like, Oh,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: you're fat. You're going to be heel. Cause all the
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: girls that you're going to wrestle are smaller than you.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: And I'm not, I'm not, I was not even barely
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: 220 pounds. Like I'm 5'2, but I'm a stocky person.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: I did cheerleading and soccer, so I have legs.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: That's what happens.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: That is exactly right.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: BMI says I should be 103 pounds. No. I would
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: look like death if I was 103 pounds. I sit
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: very well at 200. Right.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the fact that we're still going by that BMI
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: is fucking... It's ridiculous. John Cena is morbidly obese. If
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: we're being honest, John Cena is morbidly obese if we're
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: going by the BMIs. Makes no sense.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Whatever your body feels comfortable at, however, if you are
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: not in pain and you are able to do all
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: the things that you are able to do, there it is.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: If you can go to the doctor and they're like,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: you're big, but everything is healthy. You're healthy as a horse.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: All right, bet. Yeah, six months.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: That's all I needed to know.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Because everybody looks like, oh, she's got to have diabetes. Oh,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: she's got to have this. Oh, she's got to have that. Brother,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: the only thing I have is more testosterone than you
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: because I have PCOS. Like they put my balls on
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: my chest to prevent chafing because they were so big.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: So sit down.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: I love that. Well, if people want to find out
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: more about you, see you live, follow you online, help
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: support you in any way, buy your merch, how can
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: they do so?
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: You can find me on all platforms, including Pro Wrestling Tees, Instagram, X, Facebook, YouTube,
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: at Fallen Kikyo. And I like to keep my Jeff
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Jarrett impression here. If that's F-A-L-L-E-N-K-I-K-Y-O, Fallen Kikyo. Ain't I great?
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: He's probably going to send me a cease and desist now.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't do his full thing. I think he's
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: more or less the last outlaw.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Hey, I changed it by 10%. That's the legalities of it.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: I changed it by 10%.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: It's the little things they get away with all the time.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, you can find me on everything at
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Fallen Kikyo, TikTok on there as well. I just started
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: posting videos on there again. Now that I'm wrestling again,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: I'm starting to try and put out more content. So
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: I'm doing my best. Try and Trying to keep up
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: with all these kids around here, goddammit.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Well, back in your day, they were hanging from the rafters,
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: and they're going to be hanging from the rafters again.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Back in my day, I had to have a fucking
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: USB drive in order to have my music, or a
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: CD along with, like, a burned CD. And no, not
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: burned with fire, you fucking gen alpha fucks. Use Google for,
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: use AI for something good, Jesus.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, kids. Kikio for being on the show. Again, obviously
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: follow her journey. Find out what she is doing because
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: she's doing great things in the world of wrestling. So
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: follow her on social media. And while you're going to
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: follow us or her on social media, go follow us
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: on social media. It is Bruiser's Pod. That is B-R-E-W-S-E-R-S-P-O-D
• 58:34
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• 58:37
  Speaker 1: want to send us an email, it is bruiserspod.gmail.com. If
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: you want to follow me directly, it is Roddy John.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: That is R-O-D-I-E-J-O-N. Roddy John is the name on the Twitter.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: And I'm untapped. In case you want to find out
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: what I'm drinking, maybe we can have a beer together.
• 58:49
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• 58:50
  Speaker 1: the Instagram, it is officialrodyjohn. So until next time, make
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: sure to enjoy life, drink local, and cheers.