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Ep. 58 - Dabo Swinney on Wisdom, Foundation, and Calling · Beyond the Paw - Clemson Athletics

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  Speaker 1: What are some of the challenges that come with carrying
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  Speaker 1: the title of head coach?
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  Speaker 2: Everybody has a story and sometimes, like people, especially in
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  Speaker 2: a position like this, sometimes people will see.
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  Speaker 3: They see the glory, but they don't know the story.
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  Speaker 4: And so how do you go about throwing your circle
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  Speaker 4: when it is so important to have people that support
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  Speaker 4: you and that you can trust.
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  Speaker 3: Let somebody else's rear lights be your headlight.
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  Speaker 2: And some of these rear lights can can run your
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  Speaker 2: if you follow them, they'll run you right off a bridge.
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  Speaker 2: Liabilities are now some of my greatest assets.
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  Speaker 1: What are three words your wife would use to describe you?
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  Speaker 4: Oh boy, Hello everyone, welcome back to Beyond the Paw.
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  Speaker 4: I'm your host, Grace Lacrosse here alongside Ashley Pearson. We
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  Speaker 4: are super excited to be the new hosts of Beyond
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  Speaker 4: the Paw. Now, I don't know about you, Ashley, but
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  Speaker 4: this is my favorite time of year, the perfect there's
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  Speaker 4: perfect weather. People are starting to come back to campus.
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  Speaker 4: There's you know, it's starting to be fall. There's a
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  Speaker 4: buzz around campus and that is for one reason, and
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  Speaker 4: one reason only football season is on the horizon. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: So with that in mind, I want to introduce you
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  Speaker 4: to a very special guest today. Entering his nineteenth season,
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  Speaker 4: he is the winningest coach in ACC history, with one
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  Speaker 4: hundred and eighty seven wins, including nine ACC championships and
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  Speaker 4: two National championships. Amongst his many honors are two ACC
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  Speaker 4: Coach of the Year Awards, three Paul Bear Bryant Awards,
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  Speaker 4: and an AP College Football Coach of the Year Award.
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  Speaker 4: He is one of the fastest coaches in college football
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  Speaker 4: history to reach one hundred, one hundred and fifty and
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  Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy career wins at a single program.
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  Speaker 4: He is known for his incredible leadership and player development,
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  Speaker 4: having produced ninety five NFL draft picks. Please welcomed the
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  Speaker 4: fearless leader of our Clemson football team, head coach Dabo Sweeney.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Grace. Good to be with you.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, so thank you for joining us today. This was
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  Speaker 4: an idea that was kind of born on the beach.
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  Speaker 4: Last time I saw you, we were in Boca grand
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  Speaker 4: one of the most beautiful places on earth, and it
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  Speaker 4: was peak season. We were in July, and now we're
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  Speaker 4: in Clemson here.
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  Speaker 1: Peak season, it's fall.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Clemson is literally the best place to be
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  Speaker 4: in the country in the fall time.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I think that was my second time to meet you.
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  Speaker 2: And then you come to practice one time with the Emmlements.
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  Speaker 2: So the backstory you she was with the Emmlman family.
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  Speaker 2: Her boyfriend is a student here and with the golf team,
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  Speaker 2: and we I'm friends with the Emmlements and so we
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  Speaker 2: vacation together and we play a golf tournament and big shocker, Trevor.
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  Speaker 3: Emmelman won it this year. I'm not real happy about that.
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  Speaker 1: What happened?
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  Speaker 2: Jacob finished second, Yeah, he had, we took We put
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  Speaker 2: two good of players on his team.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's great.
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  Speaker 3: So we always have a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: But uh, I was kidding with Grace because she made
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  Speaker 2: the travel squad.
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  Speaker 3: I was telling Tanks Reverend Jake, I said, this is
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  Speaker 3: a big deal. Great Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Grace made the travel squad in the summer trip. So anyway,
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  Speaker 2: that's how we got here. She started telling me about
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  Speaker 2: this podcast and said, yeah, let's do it. Sometime we
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  Speaker 2: get back and fall and here we are and it's
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  Speaker 2: go time. It's football season. It's time we start camp today. Well,
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  Speaker 2: we started camp Tuesday, so we've been in two straight
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  Speaker 2: days and nights of meetings and program installation and you
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  Speaker 2: know a lot of things that you just have to
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  Speaker 2: kind of do to get the plane off the ground.
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  Speaker 3: And but today today's the fun part.
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  Speaker 2: We get to finally get back out on the field
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  Speaker 2: and start the process.
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  Speaker 3: We play in thirty days, so got a lot of
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  Speaker 3: work to do. Oh my gosh, thirty days.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm even more grateful that you were able to
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  Speaker 4: sit down with me and do this podcast because it
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  Speaker 4: is like you're hitting the ground running right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, we're we're organized, we're ready.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we've been we've been at it for probably
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  Speaker 2: about three and a half weeks now. We came back
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  Speaker 2: I think July thirteenth or so, and so you know,
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  Speaker 2: we five days of program meetings with our staff, kind
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  Speaker 2: of installation. There offensive defensive meetings. We've been on the
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  Speaker 2: field with the players a few times. Everybody had a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of a break right before we started camp.
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  Speaker 3: So we're ready to go. It's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Of planning and a lot of work to get to
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  Speaker 2: this point. But this this is actually a great time
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  Speaker 2: to be able to sit down with you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited.
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  Speaker 4: So I kind of want to start with a little
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  Speaker 4: warm up you're good with that, okay. Yeah, this is
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  Speaker 4: just going to be rapid fire questions okay, and they
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  Speaker 4: have nothing to do with football, just random rapid fire
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  Speaker 4: quest I feel like you're the best for this, So
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  Speaker 4: we're going to we're gonna work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna find out.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So it'll be like sixty seconds of rapid fire questions,
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  Speaker 4: full of the time.
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  Speaker 1: Best vacation You've ever been on?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, grand.
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  Speaker 4: Bucket list item and pick up with Michael Jordan's best
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  Speaker 4: concert You've ever been to?
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  Speaker 2: Oh oh man, I've been to some good ones. I
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  Speaker 2: love Kenny Chesney. I saw I saw Prince Purple rain.
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  Speaker 3: Times. Yeah, in like eighth ninth grade.
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  Speaker 2: I saw him twice in Birmingham and Atlanta. Still remember
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  Speaker 2: said and like Sheila e was opening act or something,
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, that was that was That one kind of
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  Speaker 2: stands outcause it was kind of my first concert, I think.
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  Speaker 3: But I've been to a bunch of good ones.
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  Speaker 2: I love, I love going to Kenny Chesney, but i'd
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  Speaker 2: probably have to send up.
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  Speaker 3: Like I said, I've seen.
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  Speaker 2: Beach Boys thirty eight special, I've seen the Eagles, I've
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  Speaker 2: seen Jimmy Buffett, I've seen all kind of people over
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  Speaker 2: the years. But but I've seen Garth Brooks. Garth Brooks
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  Speaker 2: were amazing. He was a as well. But I mean
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  Speaker 2: Prince was just so unique.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was pretty fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so we hit sixty seconds. I feel like we
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  Speaker 1: just got to scratch the six second rapid fire. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: When we sang karaoke, did you sing a Kenny Chesney song?
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  Speaker 1: Is one of the ones.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think, so, I don't remember what I say.
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  Speaker 3: We have we did carry over.
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  Speaker 5: Karaoke together, Hey, we might you might get it was
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  Speaker 5: pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: I did, Uh what did I do? I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I did multiple songs. I kept getting called up there.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like you put your name in that multiple
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  Speaker 4: times twice.
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  Speaker 2: But then I got shrug in a couple of times,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't remember what I was saying. Actually, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure it was great.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently it was great.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's ingrained in my brain. Okay, I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: ask you a few more of these because we hit
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  Speaker 4: sixty seconds, but I think they're kind of fun.
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  Speaker 1: So three things that you can't live without.
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  Speaker 3: Three things I can't live without? Man, Uh, my faith,
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  Speaker 3: I can't live without that. I just start there. Got
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  Speaker 3: I gotta have that. My I can't live without. And
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  Speaker 3: I mean big picture, my faith, my family, and my
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  Speaker 3: and and and and purpose having having purpose? Uh, you know, lighter.
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  Speaker 3: Three things that I can't live without. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I exercise. I love the exercise. Can't live without good health.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And and I would say.
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  Speaker 2: I gotta have a dog. I love my dogs. Need
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  Speaker 2: a dog. Yeah, I got two dogs. That's probably.
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  Speaker 3: That's probably some of the things can't live without.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all good thing. Okay, so kind of pizza.
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  Speaker 3: Need a pizza every now?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we just had a whole coming.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I need a pizza every now and then.
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  Speaker 1: You have to have it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, pizza.
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  Speaker 1: What's your what's your favorite?
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  Speaker 3: I'm pepperoni. I'm easy.
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  Speaker 2: My wife gets mad at me all the time because
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  Speaker 2: we go get ice cream and I get chocolate.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we go to pizza place. I get pepperoni.
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  Speaker 1: I mean there's a reason.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean I'll spice it. I'll get double pepperoni
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  Speaker 2: or double cheese.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'll go I'll branch out every now crazy
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  Speaker 3: are you are.
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  Speaker 1: You like I'm from Chicago? Are you deep? Dish. Are
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  Speaker 1: you thin crust?
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  Speaker 3: Like both?
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  Speaker 2: I can go back and forth, but I'm mostly mostly
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  Speaker 2: thin crust because I feel like I can eat more
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  Speaker 2: feel bad volume.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm probably probably thin crust.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that's good. Okay, So I kind of want to
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  Speaker 1: dive into some questions here. You're good with that.
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  Speaker 4: So you spoke a lot about your faith, and I
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  Speaker 4: assume that that's something that you care with you through
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  Speaker 4: a lot of things, and it makes me curious about you, know,
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  Speaker 4: who you are as a person beyond football, and how
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  Speaker 4: your faith and how your family and how all these
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  Speaker 4: these pieces come together to make you who you are.
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  Speaker 4: And so along those lines, right like, people often see
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  Speaker 4: coach Sweeney the head football coach and all these things,
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  Speaker 4: and it's but not necessarily Dabbo the person. And I
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  Speaker 4: was fortunate enough to get to kind of know you
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  Speaker 4: and see you in your true element. But what are
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  Speaker 4: some of the challenges that come with carrying the title
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  Speaker 4: of head coach? And and basically how do you stay
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  Speaker 4: grounded in your humanity when you have all these expectations
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  Speaker 4: placed on you?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Grace, I think you have a future. This is
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  Speaker 3: a great question. Wow, Ye what a great question.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's interesting, I would say the challenge is,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, people, like so many people today, and when
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  Speaker 2: I go speak, especially when I go and speak to
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  Speaker 2: a church or something like that, some one of the
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  Speaker 2: things I always kind of with is.
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  Speaker 3: People see me.
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  Speaker 2: And it's great because God's given me a great platform.
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  Speaker 2: People see me as the coach at Clemson. They they
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  Speaker 2: recognize me as the coach at Clemson. And but that's
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  Speaker 2: just what I do. You know, that's not who I am.
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  Speaker 2: And and so you know I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: There's everybody has a story and sometimes like people, especially
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  Speaker 2: in a position like this, sometimes people.
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  Speaker 3: Will see they see the glory, but they don't know
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  Speaker 3: the story. And you know, but for me, it's just
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  Speaker 3: not who I am.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a father, I'm a husband, I'm a friend, I'm
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  Speaker 2: a brother, I'm an uncle.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I love what I do, but I'm not defined by that.
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  Speaker 2: So my faith has been a huge part in my life.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I got saved when I was sixteen at
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  Speaker 2: an FCA event. And you know, everything we get shaped
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  Speaker 2: in life by our experiences, people that come across our path,
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  Speaker 2: Challenges that we deal with, adversities that we go through
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  Speaker 2: successes that we have, you know, we we get we
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  Speaker 2: get challenged by those things and and we get shaped
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  Speaker 2: by them and we grow stronger, you know, from struggle.
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  Speaker 3: Life does. Life never gets easier, you know, and it
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  Speaker 3: gets harder.
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  Speaker 2: You just learn how to handle hard better as you
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  Speaker 2: equip yourself through your journey, if you keep going, if
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  Speaker 2: you keep going. So I just try to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: be who I am, regardless of whether I'm the coach
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  Speaker 2: at Clemson or I'm just hanging out at the beach
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  Speaker 2: with friends. I really, I really don't feel like I
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  Speaker 2: have to flip a switch.
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  Speaker 3: I really don't.
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  Speaker 2: Again, people they see me as I'm the coach at Clemson,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of times one of the challenges is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because you've got a job to do, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and there's a lot of people out there that you
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  Speaker 2: know that as the coaching Clemson, they just instantly don't
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  Speaker 2: like you because you wear a different logo. Uh, and
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  Speaker 2: so you know, you're just that kind of that's a
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  Speaker 2: difficult part of this job. You just immediately people aren't
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  Speaker 2: gonna like you. So you have to be able to
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  Speaker 2: understand that part of it or maybe how you do
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  Speaker 2: your job decisions, you make, things you say that's gonna
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  Speaker 2: sometimes you create. There's a lot of haters, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot, and so you have to deal with that.
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  Speaker 2: And again, there's so many people in this role that
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  Speaker 2: judge you and they don't know you. They just know
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  Speaker 2: you're the coach at Clemson. So that's just part of it.
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  Speaker 2: That's a challenge. That's something that I think you know,
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  Speaker 2: to be to have any type of longevity in this
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  Speaker 2: role and type of profession, you've got to be able
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  Speaker 2: to manage that. If you're an accountant, there's challenges in
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  Speaker 2: that profession. Different that, but you have to have longevity.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to be able to manage those challenges. Every
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  Speaker 2: profession has certain challenges. But that's that's kind of something
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  Speaker 2: that go along with this one. But that's what I
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  Speaker 2: always say though then I mean, you know, and when
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  Speaker 2: I go speak, I always say I'm not I'm not
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  Speaker 2: here representing the Paw, I'm representing the Cross, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And I want you to know who I am as
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  Speaker 2: a person, who I am as a husband, who I
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  Speaker 2: am as a father.
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  Speaker 3: And and why do I think the way I think?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's because of you know, my experiences in life,
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  Speaker 2: and so that's that's really you know what I try
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  Speaker 2: to stay focused on. I just again, I try to
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  Speaker 2: just keep my eyes on the Lord and all I do,
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  Speaker 2: and that helps me have conviction and in in in
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  Speaker 2: the good and the bad, and and continue to have
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  Speaker 2: belief in myself and belief in in you know, what
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  Speaker 2: I do. And and then when you have adversity, you
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  Speaker 2: don't quit. You just keep going, you keep growing. That's
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  Speaker 2: just part of it. So, but there are some challenges
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  Speaker 2: that come with just people just identifying you as this role.
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  Speaker 3: But I love that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's so many good little nuggets that you had
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  Speaker 4: in there talking about who you are and overcoming adversity
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  Speaker 4: and staying true to yourself beyond your profession, and pulling
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  Speaker 4: in your faith and all these things. And in addition
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  Speaker 4: to your faith, I can imagine that the people you
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  Speaker 4: surround yourself with is so important. And so how do
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  Speaker 4: you go about growing your circle when it is so
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  Speaker 4: important to have people that support you and that you
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  Speaker 4: can trust.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's so important.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like, I don't think success or greatness happens
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  Speaker 2: in isolation. I think we all need people around us.
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  Speaker 2: And that's one of the things I always tell our team,
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  Speaker 2: especially new kids coming in because it's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people here, and I always tell them, man, like we
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  Speaker 2: learn learn from our own experiences.
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  Speaker 3: Now your mom says, don't touch the stove.
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  Speaker 2: You touch it, and you just learned, right, Like we
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  Speaker 2: all learn from We make good decisions, make bad decisions,
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  Speaker 2: and we learn.
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  Speaker 3: But wise people learn.
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  Speaker 2: From others mistakes and good decisions. And one of the
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  Speaker 2: things I always tell our players is and find somebody.
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  Speaker 2: And this is in our team, this is in football,
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  Speaker 2: this is in life. Find find somebody who's been really
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  Speaker 2: really successful doing something that you want to do and
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  Speaker 2: study them. And for me, I specifically like to study
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  Speaker 2: people who who've been really good at something for a
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  Speaker 2: long period of time. I've never really been very fascinated
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  Speaker 2: with people that, man, they were good today and two
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  Speaker 2: weeks later, you know they had a moment. Like I've
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  Speaker 2: always been fascinated with people who kind of have that
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  Speaker 2: competitive stamina gene, like they can like you're just like, man,
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  Speaker 2: I mean they've won so much, or they've they've been
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  Speaker 2: so consistent in whatever it is they're doing, Like there's
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  Speaker 2: something different about that person, that business, that team, whatever
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  Speaker 2: it is. Like, what is that then, and it's and
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  Speaker 2: it's that's always been a fascinating thing to me. So
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  Speaker 2: I love to study people like that. But I tell
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  Speaker 2: our players, like, let somebody else's rear lights be your headlights, right,
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  Speaker 2: And so it's very important. And some of these rear
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  Speaker 2: lights can can run your if you follow them, they'll
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  Speaker 2: run you right.
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  Speaker 3: Off a bridge, you know. And so you've got to
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  Speaker 3: be very careful.
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  Speaker 2: Who who you you listen to, the voices that you
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  Speaker 2: allow to influence you, and especially and especially for your generation.
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  Speaker 2: And y'all coming up and I didn't, I didn't grow
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  Speaker 2: up in social media.
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  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't deal with it. I don't.
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  Speaker 2: So but it's I'm very aware in the world I
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  Speaker 2: live in, but it's it's so judgmental, and it's so
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  Speaker 2: oh fake, uh, and it's it's just it's crazy to me.
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  Speaker 2: And so I just think you you have to be
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  Speaker 2: very careful who who you follow, who you learn from again,
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  Speaker 2: what voices you're listening to, what you're filling your mind with,
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  Speaker 2: because you know those ultimately fuel your beliefs, and your beliefs,
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  Speaker 2: you know, lead to your thoughts, your words, your actions,
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  Speaker 2: your boys, the Gandhi quote. I love that the Bible
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: says as a man thinks, so is he. So like,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: it's so important to be careful of the things that
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: shape how you think.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: And the people in.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Your circle, you know, they're they're they're a huge part
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: of that. And uh so, you know, my mom used
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: to always say, if you roam with dogs, you get fleas.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: And you know, the the Bible even says bad company
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: corrupts good characters.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: So it's just important, and you know, and then and
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: then as you have success, you know, and then all
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, you know, more people want to get
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: close to you, they want to know you. And I
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: think that's the challenge that I deal with with my players,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: and as I teach them and develop them.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Is especially as they have success.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Is learning how to say no, learning how to manage
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: you know, even like that's something I had to learn
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: over the years. I mean, I'm a very simple guy.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, you know, you.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Know, you lights get bright.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a lot of people and you know,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I had to learn how to say no and not
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: worry about that hurts somebody's feelings because they really don't
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: understand my life, so having to say no, but also
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: tightening my circle, like keeping a really tight circle and honestly,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: some of my best friends in life, and in fact,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: I just spent three days with with with two of them.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Or people that know Dabbo. Yeah they know Dabbo. They
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: they yeah, they know I'm the coach at Clemson. But
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: that's just what I do. They know Dabbo. And and
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: you know, some of my closest friends to this day,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: or people I grew up with high school, college, and
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: and I've never let that go. I've always stayed true
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: to that where I came from. And again, I've got
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: a great group of people and great network of people
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I really trust that. I think for young people it's
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: so easy to you know, I feel like you've got
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: to please everybody, or you've got to be something to
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: be in this group or this crowd or whatever it is,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: or you've in the pressures of social media, or I
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: got to post something so everybody likes me and follows me.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I can't imagine that. I know that's
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: a thing, but ain't my thing.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: And I mean, you know, if I post something, I'm
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: sending it to a group of ten people.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Via text.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Those ten people, that's who I wanted them to see
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: this picture and have some fun with. And so I
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: don't know, I just think you've got to be very careful.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: It's very important who you allow in your circle. But
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: more importantly again, but you let inside because if you're
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: gonna if you're gonna build your like I think it's
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: so important to try to build your life from the
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: inside out.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: You know. If you build your life from the outside
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: d you're gonna you're gonna sink, You're gonna be exhausted,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: you know. And so.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Again it's just, uh, it's really really important that you
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: have good friends.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: And I don't know if either of you have seen this,
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: but they say that you typically tend to become like
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: the five people that you spend most of it.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard that. Yeah, And I.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: Think it's so true because I've noticed in the past
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: changing environments or a new job or a new group
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: of friends, whatever that looks like over time, I'm like,
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: are these parts of me showing up? Are these things
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: showing up? Because this is how others show up, And
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: I'm now adapting. So I think that's multifaceted. Because you
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: want to be surrounded by folks who are aligned with entirely,
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: and do you start to show up like them? I
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: think it's especially the young age.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: You want to know what your future looks like, show
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: me who your friends are, exactly right. I mean that's
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: a that's a very real thing.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: So you know, that's one of the things that like,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: when I teach, we always talk about best as the standard,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: like you've got to be your best.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Well, here's how you here's how I teach that. You know,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: for you to be your best, you have to believe.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: You got to believe in yourself. You got to believe
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: in your future. You got to believe in what you're doing.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: But the E is for effort. You have to activate
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: that belief by doing the work. But the S is
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: for sacrifice. You have to sacrifice things that keep you
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: from being your best. And sometimes it's relationships that aren't
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: healthy for you. Sometimes it's people that aren't building you up,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: they're tearing you down. Not everybody's for you, and that's okay,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: that's okay, that's gonna it's okay. So uh, and then
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: the teas for toughness.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: You know, you got to have some toughness to do
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: all of those things when you don't when it's not
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: going the way you want you know.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: So. But but part of what I talk about in
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: sacrifice is.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Sometimes relationships that were good in a season, they're not
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: good for where you are now in life, as you've grown,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: and uh, it's important to recognize that.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, speaking speaking to relationships, I know that you
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: have a lovely family, and your wife and your sons
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: and the people.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: That you surround yourself with are so amazing.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: So I want to know, what are three words that
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: you feel like your wife would use to describe you.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: Oh boy, yeah, okay, she would say I am energetic.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: That would be one.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: She's always like, I don't know where you energy and
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: you and you don't turn coffee, right.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Don't it is?
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Well I love cough caw like di code. But but
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: she would probably say that she is. She would probably
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: say I'm funny, and then she would probably say so handsome.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: So so uh yeah, my wife and so we grew
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: up together.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: You know you're talking about having people and like we
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: we met in the first grade, went to the same
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: elementary school, middle school, high school. We started going together
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: at twelve. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we tell our kids that
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: later on.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Where'd y'all go? You know, like, where do you go?
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: It's talking now, it's talking.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so different words differently.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: And then we.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Started dating, dating in high school and they'd all through
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: college and been married thirty two years. So yeah, yeah,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: so she's amazing and and she you know, there's there's
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: just nothing like you know, having a great teammate, you know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: and she and she who truly knows me, and and
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: she's been there, she's had a front row seat all
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: the way, and you know, she's she's amazing too because
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: you know, again people see this version of coach Sweeney,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: you know, and but again they don't all know my story.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: And the great thing about cath is, you know, she
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: comes from a different family than I came from. You know,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: everybody in her family was master's degrees. Her dad was
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: a professor or doctor. And you know, I'm the first
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: one to go off and graduate from college. And my
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: family parents married at eighteen, no education, divorce, you know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: all these things. But she always just loved me for
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: who I was. You know, I didn't have a car
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: in high school. She'd come pick me up.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: My senior year.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: In particular, I lived about five different places, and I
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: remember part of them my senior year. I was sleeping
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: on the floor at a friend's house. She'd pick me
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: up and take me to school.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: She lived in a nice house and a nice neighborhood
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: and had a great family, and my family was a disaster.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: But she loved me, and that's that's the cool thing
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: about what we've been able to do in life. And
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: she she loved me for who I was, and that's
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: kind of honestly, that's how I handle my business and
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: recruiting in today's world. Nil and rev Share and all
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: that stuff, and all that stuff's great, but I don't
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: want I want people to come here because they love me,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: They love Clemson, they love what we're about, you know,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: and in the end, all that you have, all that
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: and so uh, I think that's what's been great about
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: our relationship is we've done it all together. Yeah.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: And she was my best friend before she became my wife,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: and so we've been together a long time. We've raised
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: three amazing sons. I mean, they're just they're just incredible.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the greatest blessing.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Uh, they're all they all know the Lord, they're all
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: two of them are married.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: The other one is getting married in March. So it's
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: been it's been an amazing journey.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: It's it's so beautiful when it's when people see you
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: at your lowest points or points in which you're not
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: not everything's going great, and it's so easy to be
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: a great person and happy and positive and show up
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: for other people when things are going well for you.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: So when you have somebody in your life that sees
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: you at the points when not everything is so great
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: and so perfect and they still love you for who
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: you are and they're there to support you, it's it's
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: an amazing thing, that is.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: And that's that's actually one of the great things of
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: going through adversity is you really find out who's with you,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean you find out who's who's really
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: with you. And uh so, I mean that's that's kind
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: of in my professional world, I mean, we we obviously
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: had a disappointing season last year, and you know, but
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: but that's but that's good too. You know, you grow
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: through adversity. That's a part of your life. Nobody wins
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: all the time, nobody, I mean, it doesn't matter. From
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Michael Jordan to whoever. You know, there's failure is a
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: part of winning, you know, it's just a part of it.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: It doesn't always go the way you want, but it's
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: there's always opportunity to just develop and grow stronger. We
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: all get pruned in life so that we can produce
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: even more fruit. And there are there are harvest seasons,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: there are pruning seasons. There's all of these things in
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: our life as we go through it. That's why you
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: have to build your life on a foundation of faith,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: you know, so that you stay anchored when those storms come.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: You don't get washed out to see you just know that,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: hey man, every storm is gonna run out of rain,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: and you can look back on your life on all
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: those other things that you were delivered through that you go,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: all right, I got this too. Yeah it sucks, but
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get better because of this. God's got God. God,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: God never says oops like and I'm gonna I've got
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: to keep my eyes on him and just continue to
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: be a light.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Keep a healthy eye, you know.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: That's that's one of my favorite verses in the Bible
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: is Matthew six twenty two. It says a healthy eye,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: you know, your says your eye is the lamp to
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: your body, and a healthy eye. If you have a
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: healthy eye, your body will be full of light. If
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: you have an unhealthy eye, your body will be full
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: of darkness. So how you see things, especially when it
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: comes to how you see yourself, it's so important because
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: how you see things is going to determine how you
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: respond to adversity.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Is it half full? Is it half empty? Yeah? Or
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: you know, so that's so important.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: And darkness can't bring light to darkness, So you know,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: sight is a function of the eyes.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Vision is a function of your heart.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: So if that's true, and I think that's a Miles
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Monroe quote, then it's so important that we have a
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: healthy eye so that our body will be full of
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: light because we all see better when there's when when
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: we all have better vision when there's light. So, something
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: bad happens in your life, you know, it's not you
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: sit around to celebrate something bad happens, but you have
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: to keep perspective, and when you have faith, it helps
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: you keep that perspective.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: So I think that's important.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: I think sometimes you talk about those pruning seasons or
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: when you go through a really difficult season in life,
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: and I think sometimes you get to that other side
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: and hopefully we can look back at some of that
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: with a sense of gratitude. If you didn't have that,
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: maybe I wouldn't be where I am now.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: So true.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: That's in fact, I say this all the time when
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I go and speak at churches and stuff like, because
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: I know people, you know, I mean, we all, we all,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: we all have failure, we all screw up, we all
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: have things that don't go the way we want somebody somebody,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: you know, there's so many things we don't control, you know,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: And like growing up, I don't You don't control who
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: your parents are. We don't control the color of our skin.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: We don't control what neighborhood we lived in. We don't
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: control whether our parents are divorced or married. We don't
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: control all these things. And I just remember as a kid,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I mean like there was certain times in my life.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Now I was so embarrassed or I was so mad
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: at things that I was dealing with in my life.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: And again that's what grounds me this day because later
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: on in life and to this day, the things that
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I hated the most, the things that were the biggest liabilities,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: are now some of my greatest assets. And that's how
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: God works. He takes these messages in our life and
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: creates messages if you let him, and if you hang
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: in there, if you keep going, if you get back up,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: and you just continue to keep the faith. And so
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: it's so important because you know, that's when you have faith,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: you'll keep going. When you don't, you're just gonna lay
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: down because life's gonna knock you down.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: And you've got a choice. You know, you got to
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: get back up. You got to make a decision that
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: I'm going to believe anyway.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: And so I just think that that's very important. And
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: you know, Jeremiah twenty eleven says, for I know the
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: plans I have for you, that plans for good, not disaster,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: plans to give you a future and hope. So if
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: there's hope in the future, there's power in the present.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: And you have to know, Hey, God's plans for me
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: are good period the end. And you either believe that
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: or you don't. And that doesn't mean that there's not
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: bad things that happen, but I mean it is. But
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: your faith I will help you keep a healthy eye,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: which will fill your body with light, which will bring
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: light to the darkness and so that's how you have
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: to navigate light.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: But that's how it works. And that's why you know,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, some of the worst things that have ever
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: happened in my life, I wouldn't change them for anything
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: because of what you just said. They make you, they
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: shape you. You're built from those things, all right. God's
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: preparing you for the purpose that he has for you.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, I mean, you hate it, but I
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: just know that. Like I said, I always say, God
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: never says oops. And there's so many things we don't well,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: we say my bad all time. We screw up all
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: the time. But God is perfect and you either believe
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: that or you don't. I believe that. And there's things,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: there's just certain things that happen this side of eternity
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: because you say, why would God allow that? Why would
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: God allow that? Why would God? We don't know.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: There's just certain things this side of eternity we'll never know.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: But what I do know is Roman's eight twenty eight.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: All things work together for the good for those who
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: love the Lord. So you just got may you gotta
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: love the Lord, and you got to just hang on
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: to that. And when we've screw up because we do. Maye,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: you just got to have something to come back to
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: center you, to center you and say okay, because life's
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: going to bring all of us to our knees, whether
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: it's professionally you have a bad season, or it's it's
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: personally where something happens, you know, it's devastating in your life.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: You've got to have something to.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Build your life on, you know, and so many people
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: they try to build their life on all these other things,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: and those things always come up empty sooner or later.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Sooner or later, there will be a circumstance in all
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: of our lives that that only this foundation of faith
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: and for me, this relationship with Christ that's going.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: To get you through it.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: I feel like you've talked a lot about kind of
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: finding yourself within yourself, right really not building a life
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: outside of you, but finding yourself here. And that makes
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: me curious. When you feel the most fulfilled, what does
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: that look like for.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: You, oh man, seeing other people be happy, you know,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: knowing that you had a part of.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: You know, just.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Impacting that creating that joy, if you will, like I
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: And that's like honestly, I mean, because I mean, we've
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: want to in my football world life. I mean, I've
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: been in five national championships, won three of them, played
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: on a national championship. I've coached in four one two
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: probably should have won another one. We've won nine ACC titles,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: been on three SEC titles. I mean, in my world,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: we're judged by all these championships and stuff, and I've
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: won a bunch of those, and all of that is
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: so great, but you wake up the next day and
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: it's like, okays it, you know, and so there's got
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: to be something more and for me, like I want
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I want all of my players to experience that. I
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: want my coaches to experience that. You know, I want
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: other people to experience winning a championship in this world.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: But more importantly, I just like seeing people happy. I
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: like seeing people smile. I like, you know, I just
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: had a player in here who's thirty two years old now,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: who had some challenge just here when I coached him,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: and he was just in here this morning. And I
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: always say, man, we run this program for what's best
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: for the thirty year old version, not the eighteen nineteen
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: twenty year old version. And you know, for this guy
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: to come in here and hug me and to me
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: That's what it's all about, is the impact that you
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: have the op It's such a huge responsibility as a
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: coach and we all have a circle of influence, you know,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: but as a coach, you have this massive opportunity to
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: impact people's lives.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of young hearts and souls in front
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: of you every day.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: And so that's that's what That's what makes me smile,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: you know, is knowing that hey, there, they're going to
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: be a great husband, they're gonna be a great father,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: They're going to be great people in society, They're going
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: to be world class leaders.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: That's what that's my purpose is really using this platform
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: of football and education to create great men, you know,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: that are going to go on and do great things.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: And then just but there's also a burden in what
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: I do too, because you know, it's this can be
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: a very lonely job, and sometimes it's hard to describe
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: the pain that you feel when you feel like you've
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: let a lot of people down, you know, when you
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: know a game doesn't go that way the way you
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: want it, and you just.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: You feel that because.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: My job, people are really passionate about the hobby for
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of people, and a lot of people are
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: very passionate about what happens and what my livelihood is
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: and so, you know, that's great when you win, but
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: there's also really a heavy, heavy, heavy part when when
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: you lose. So you've got to be able to have
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: good perspective in that as well. But man, I just
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: love nothing more than being able to, you know, have
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: relationship and being able to impact people's lives and serve
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: people and know that, man, you are a part of
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: that happiness.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's awesome.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you talk a lot about just some of your
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: recent players, but when you think about your lifetime, what
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: then is a lesson maybe that a player has taught
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: you that has stuck with you in all your time
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: doing this.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I don't know that I can narrow
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: it down to one lesson because I've had thousands of players,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: you know, all the way back to nineteen ninety three
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: when I started coaching. I learned so much from these players.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I've learned so much, you know, whether it's you know,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: don't forget the power of tongue, the power of the tongue.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: You know, I've had players that have mentored me spiritually.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I've had players that have mentored me from you know,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: maybe how we respond to something. I mean, I've had
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: players mentor me in how they handled adversity. I've had
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: players mentor me and you know, just their relentless effort,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: you know. So I've learned so much from from so
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: many players over the years. And uh, and then I've
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: learned I've learned how to be a better leader from
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: some of these players because I've had to figure out
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: how to.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Connect with that person all right, or I've seen great
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: leadership from them and that's been great for me to see.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: So I've I've have learned.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: You know, from from everyone. Be hard to narrow it
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: down to just one lesson. There's been so many across
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: my career.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: In the spirit of learning and teaching and stuff. I'm
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: curious and this can go anywhere you wanted to. If
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: you could teach a masterclass in anything other than football,
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: what would it be.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: If I could teach a masterclass, I would probably say,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: you know number one, I would probably say, you know,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: the power of faith.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: That would be one.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: And then from a football standpoint, I would because I
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: feel like we're the model program in college football.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: As far as.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Our why, and everybody knows what we do and you know,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: but how we do it and why we do it?
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: I think so I think makes us incredibly unique. And
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: you know, I can't I just I just know what
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: these kids get in this program, and I wish everybody
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: could get it. They don't, And you know, I hopefully
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I will have enough people that will come through here
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: that eventually we'll we'll Boston. We've got a couple of
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: coaches out there that are I know, we're trying to
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: do it the way we do it, and you know,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: so I would probably teach that. I would probably teach coaches,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: you know too, to be better coaches by how they
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: serve the player's heart and not their talent, and how
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: to structure and organize a program you know that can
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: that can manage failure and manage success, because I think
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: to have long term consistency, you got to be able
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: to do both.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you kind of spoke about having players go on
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: and coach and stuff, and I know your son is
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: now well, all your sons were getting into the coaching stuff,
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: but it is over at Samford. I believe what is
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: that like for you? Kind of seeing him following your footsteps.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: You know, we've been so blessed because when we moved
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: to Clemson, I think Will and Drew were four and
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: three and Clay was born here. So this is my
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: twenty fourth season at Clemsonley just turned twenty three. So
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: it's been such a blessing because in this profession, you
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: that's rare that your family gets to really grow up
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: in one place. And but kath and I knew that,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: like when I when I got I would have I
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: would have moved to Alaska, you know whatever. She's a teacher,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I'm going to coach, and we're gonna go live our life.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: And that was just just.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Felt like that's what God called us to do, and
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: and and just but we've been able to raise them here.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: They've grown up here, they have a home, they have
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: these relationships. It's it's amazing they've been able to, you know,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: be a part of it all, and uh, it's been awesome.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: And then to just watch them grow elementary, middle school,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: high school, watch them have their own successes, and and
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: then for them all to choose to come to Clemson
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: and and they're they're just the biggest compliment I can give,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: you know, because one of the things I worried a
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: little bit about.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: You know, they grew up a lot different than me.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but I think one of the greatest
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: accomplishments for Kath and I as parents is they grew
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: up very, very different from me, but they got that
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: same grit, got that same drive, they got that toughness,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: and I'm just so thankful for that. And the greatest
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: victory I ever have is they've all been saved. They
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: all had to make that decision. They're all strong in
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: their faith.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: They've been They've been great examples to.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Me, you know, in my faith, my sons, and that's
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: so interesting how God can do that, you know. And
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: we instilled these things in them as parents when they
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: were young, and now you know, they're they're great role
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: models for us, and I just love that. But you know,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: I never had no idea, you know, you just like,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: what are your kids going to do?
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: One day? You have no idea, you know, you just
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: like like, first of all, you're just like, you hope
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: you can make it through this week.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Right, You've got three of them, and they need they
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: need stuff, and it's you know, you're like it's especially
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: three boys just constant, you know, and they played every
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: sport and and you know, and then with my job too,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: it's just crazy. So Tat did an amazing job, but
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: I never knew what they would do. Drew, you know,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Will when he finished playing, he wanted to kind of
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: go do so he went and did real estate development
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: for a couple of years and then he just called
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: me and he said that and he was glad he
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: did that because I think for him it gave him
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: like a vision of what he really wanted to do.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: And he's like and he missed the grind, Like he's like,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: I I know I want to do football, and so man,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: he's going to be amazing. I mean, they're they're so
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: much better than I than I was, and so much
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: further ahead than where I was at that stage.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: And I got hired.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: I was twenty six when I got hired at Alabama,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: and so Will Will came back and and kind of
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: an intern and now he's an assistant receiver coach and
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: he's not going to have maybe maybe another year, he's
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: not going to be here forever. Drew Drew when he
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: was finished up, and it was just really a conversation
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: that he sparked about kind of he got his MB
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: they both got their nbas at two degrees. Threw finished
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: his playing and he was really struggle. He was either
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: going to go in the ministry or coach. And it
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: was interesting how finally one day he came to me
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: and I just remember he kind of had tears in
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: his eyes and he was like, made my decision, and
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: he said I want to coach.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: I went, really, you know, and and.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: He's like, because again we never pressured them in anything
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: or do whatever they want to do. And and he's like,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: I just know, Dad, that that as a coach, I
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: can do both. And I just in his perspective and
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: to watch his heart and him see his wife is amazing.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: And then his first job is at Stamford, which is
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: a Christian school, and to just know what those kids
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: it's and now they're grind and I.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Mean he he's in the grind. Uh. But he did
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: such a great job for us.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: And you know, it's hard when your last name is
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: the head coach's last name, but they they they navigated
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: that so well and it really was never a problem
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: because the player, the team, the staff.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: They know who they are, how smart, how hard they work.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: And when coach Gross got the job, you know, he
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: came to me, He's like, look, I really want to
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: take your son.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: So it's a great opportunity for him. And he's off
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: and running.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: And then Clay, Clay's got one more year to play,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: but he's he's expressed interest in going into football. He's
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: either wants to do like personnel or coach, so he's
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: kind of figuring that out.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: But but right now that's what he says he wants
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: to do.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: And and I think that's awesome because it's it's good
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: and bad because it's it's it's.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Good that, you know, they the way I did my job,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: I don't think pushed them away from this profession. Yeah,
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: we we.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: We've been able to have some balance, and I think
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: that's a good thing as opposed to no way do
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: I want any part of that.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: You know. The bad is uh in our family business.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, most family businesses you get to kind
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: of stay together. But in our family business, like, they
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: got to go and they're gonna they want to go
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: and do things. And but that's also exciting too because
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: it opens up it's you you you you get to
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: impact more people through something that you did, and so
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: I think that's great.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it is.
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: It's such a commitment for the family too. I think
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: when someone is a coach, for your wife, for your kids,
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: and so to be able to do that and for
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: them to still choose that is really is really special.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: And truly they just chose it. We had no idea.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: They've never even talked about it. We're all gonna do
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: one day. I don't know, we'll figured out. Yeah, It's
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: like it's kind of where they were. They just in
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: the moment. Yeah, like we're just in the moment. Like
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: I don't enjoy where I'm at right now, and I
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: love that.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: I was fortunate enough to kind of get to know
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: them a little bit over over the summer, and when
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: you talked about their toughness and the grit that you've
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: instilled them, like I could see it from everything that
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: they did, whether it be there, you know, throwing a
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: football on the beach or they're singing karaoke, like they
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: have that competitive story.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, every single Yeah, I'm still dealing with it, you
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: see that. I'm still dealing with it, still dealing with
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: a torn tendon in my finger here from basketball basketball
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: a month and a half ago down then Florida with
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: these boys. So it has made my golf game get
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: better though, because you know, when they were young, we'd
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: go your same trip. We'd go down there.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: You know, they grew up and one once a trip,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: I would say, going to golf, and I mean Kath
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: would dress.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Them all up.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hat like you got nothing matched.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Drew looked like you had just stepped out of Peter
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: Malaarm wanted to play with the masters. Clay just swag,
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: you know, he just swagged up whatever.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: And we'd go play golf one time their whole life,
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: and they hated it.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: It'd be like, we have to play another hole, and I'm.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Like, and I used to tell them the whole I'll
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: be like, I'm just telling y'all. One of these days,
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: one of these days, we're gonna have a foursome and
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: y'allre gonna love golf. I promise you. One of these days,
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: y'all are gonna love golf. Your buddies are gonna play
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: golf and it's gonna be like awesome.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: And they're like, I'm never gonna love this, you know,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: and just because it was hot, and they just you know, so,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: but man, and that's one of the things they say.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: You know, you used to say that's one of you
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: never said anything truer than that. Like theyll told me
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: that one time. He said, you used to tell us
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: that all the time. And they because they love to play,
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: they love to play.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: They can and their buddies play, and and and.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: They've gotten good. And so I'm like, I've had to
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: like because I never will practice it golf. I just
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: practiced golf.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: And I'm one of these guys that because I'm I
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: was a good basketball player, baseball player, football player, I'm
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: a good athlete, and I just want.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: To show up and be good. I don't have time
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: to practice. You got time for all that. But as
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: a coach, I know that's not no. That just does
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: how it works, Like you got to actually work at it.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: Like you can't get mad because your drive just hooked
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: into the woods if you don't work at it, you know.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: But I'm I'm I'm like, why is it doing that?
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: You know, Like I'm mad about it. So so I
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: I have as they've gotten better, especially through college, Man,
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: I've had to lock in a little bit like, Okay,
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to get embarrassed by these dudes. So
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: so I've had it's made me so. It's very competitive family,
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: like we compete. It's not always happy.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: We compete, and sometimes it's you know, it's fun.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: It's fun. Sometimes it can be a little.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Rough, but the dad still hangs in there with them.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: I hang in there with them the best I can.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: But it's awesome. It's been it's been great.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: But they are They're super super competitive, and I can't
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: wait to see what Sanford is. In fact, I'm gonna
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: go their first game they play. They play Week zero,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: so they play at North Alabama.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: So we're gonna we're gonna go up.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: You're yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Just get to see uh, get to see Drew in
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: his in his very first game.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: That'll be cool.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Are you going to being the Sanford.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Sam not staying that's there. That's kind of there.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: That's kind of their thing at Sanford. You know, if
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: everybody says Sam, they stand Sam not staying. Yeah, So
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: you'll have I'll.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Be decked out in Sandford gear and I think he
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: I think they're gonna be able to come up for
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: the North Carolina game.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: That's their open gates.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: So so yeah, it'll be it'll be it'll be cool
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: to be able to see him in that. But I
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: got to go to the spring game and it was
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: really kind of surreal because again, you know, you as
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: a father just we look I look you know.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: As a parent, you look at your kids as just
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: your kids. Even though he's grown. Man, he's you know,
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: he's married and he's all that stuff.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: You look at him, he's like he's still seven, you know,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: and you're like, I just can't believe, like this is
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: real yea, And you know he's just and just sitting
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: back and watching all his players gravitate to him and
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  Speaker 2: how he let him and how he's coaching and you know,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: post practice and the recruits coming over to him.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just like, wow, this is really cool. Yeah.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: In the spirit of Beyond the Paw right, that's the
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: title of this Who would you say you are beyond
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: the paw?
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Well, as I said earlier, I'm beyond the paw.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a husband, I'm a father, I'm a Christian,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: I'm a friend, I'm an athlete, i am giving, I'm
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: a giver. Like my name dabbo literally means in Latin,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: I will give, and you know I try to live
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  Speaker 2: that out. So those are those are things. I'm a competitor,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a winner. I'm a winner.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all great.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: I'm great his buddy, there you go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so so much.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this was fun. We're awesome? Is that it is?
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: There another question? Did you have anything left?
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: We got through them all? What about the rapid fire?
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Do we get through all those?
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  Speaker 3: You want? Is there another rapid fire? Okay, I'm curious
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: to what you had written down.
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: I'm a big I'm a big foodie. What's your favorite food?
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: I guess, uh, pizza? I love I love pizza. But
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: I mean I'm a I'm a meat and potato guy.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Misteak chicken, you know, but I love I love pizza.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: I love Mexican food. But like pizza is heartbeat.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Now do you cook?
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: I grill Youah?
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: Okay, I just I have a grill here my apartment
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: in Clemson. I built it like from like it was pieces.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: I built it. I'm out there. I'm grilling Jacob. He's
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: always like the man is supposed to be the one
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: and girls. Now I'm girling chicken. I'm girling everything for him.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: I love it. Yeah, yeah, do you have a.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Do you a favorite thing to grill?
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: I love the grill A steak. I love to like
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: put a good rub on it. So I love the
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: grill steak. I love to grill chicken. I love to
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: When I'm at the beach, I'll do some grouper.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Kind of Cagun's kind of put it in like and
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: kind of let it kind of simmer a little bit, like.
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  Speaker 3: I like to do that.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's some good stuff.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: But you built your grill.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: I built my grill.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: You like, went to Low's and got a grill, and
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: then you had to put it together.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah I did. I got a pro Paine tank put
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: in there.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: Like that's that's it. That's great.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: That's That's one of the things I always I will
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: talk about in player development, Like sometimes you get a
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: guy and it's all in the box, right, like these
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: two tables right here, like it's all it's all in
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: or the grill, it's all in the box.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: It's all there, but you got to put it together. Yeah,
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: and then you.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Get sometimes people walk in here and there's no assembly required, right,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: like like you know, you put you could have paid
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: another twenty bucks and then to probably put it together
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: for you something. But in the end they're exactly the same, right,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: you know, So there's a development process is because sometimes
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: kids come in here and like Sammy Watkins showed up,
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: no assembly required.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was ready to day he got here. Hunter
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: Renfro kind of had to be put together a little bit. Yeah,
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: but in the end you got two great players.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so it's kind of a lesson in
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: that putting your grill together.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: I guess that's right.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Quick, little room in there. Yeah, awesome, Thank you so much.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. This is great. Yeah, so who's next?
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Won't beyond the pall?
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're working on some some athletes.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, but this is the first episode for the.
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: First episode on the you're going to you're gonna listen
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: to it?
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: When does it come out?
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: First week of August seventeenth.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: August seventeenth, so first of your class. Well, I mean
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: probably maybe I'll let it.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Lay on the st it play while I'm watching.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: It, while I'm watching tape or something. Maybe I'm gonna
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: let it play. That's that's great. Well, you guys are awesome.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: It's this. This is a lot of fun. H m
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: hm