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Olivier Melnick: BDS and the Three D’s of Antisemitism · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hey, friends.
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  Welcome back another day.
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  But part two of our interview with Olivier Melnick, his website, if you missed the first
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  show, is newantisemitism.com, that's newantisemitism.com.
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  His books are available on Amazon.
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  We'll be talking about several of them today.
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  And also his YouTube channel.
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  Make sure to check out Shalom in Messiah Ministries.
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  And at YouTube, you can just search Olivier Melnick if you're not already following him.
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  So in the first program, we talked about the cancer of anti-semitism.
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  And he defined it for us, we're going to touch on that a bit again.
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  Talked a little bit about replacement theology, dual covenant theology.
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  We talked about the source of anti-semitism.
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  And we even connected some dots on what's going on today in our government and our college
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  campuses and universities.
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  And we did all that in just one show.
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  So here's part two.
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  I want to bring back Olivier Melnick, brother.
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  Thanks for extending this for us.
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  Well, thank you for having me again.
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  I mean, we did cover quite a bit in the first program,
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  but we can definitely do another show in probably more than one.
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  Oh, my goodness.
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  So much we can pack in this one.
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  Well, we could do six shows on just this one book.
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  But anyway, to go back, if you're just watching this guys and you didn't see part one,
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  Olivier, would you please just give us that definition of anti-semitism for them.
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  Anti-semitism is the irrational and demonic hatred of the Jewish people in Israel characterized
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  by thoughts, words, and or deeds against them.
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  And again, in the first show, I emphasize that it is demonic, satanic.
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  And because it's demonic, it's irrational because you see what's happening in the world.
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  And in Satan can very easily make something look rational when it is irrational.
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  I'll give you an example when you have the radical left joining forces with radical Islam
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  against Israel when really you put a liberal leftist and the radical Muslim in the same
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  room, they'll kill each other.
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  But when it comes to go after Israel, they'll work together in a mixed sense.
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  Exactly.
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  It's a strange bedfellows.
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  So you know, Satan's behind some of this.
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  So let's talk about what a lot of people don't understand.
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  We hear BDS.
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  We hear these, you know, our, whether it's our government or policy wise, BDS.
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  And you write a lot in your book and times anti-semitism.
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  And on page 264, you talk about boycott, divestment, and sanction.
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  What the heck is that?
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  And you mentioned also three bullet points about this and what the co-founder for BDS, how
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  he explained it.
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  So please tell us what that is and what we need to understand about that.
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  Okay.
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  BDS is very pernicious.
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  It's a movement that has been going on since 2005.
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  I mean, actually it's older than that from the, from the standpoint of being a boycott
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  of Israel and Jewish people.
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  You can go back to the 30s and 40s, really, when you started seeing, you know, during
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  Crystal Knock, when they were boycott businesses and put big Jewish stars on, on the front
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  of businesses in Berlin and in Burnt Synagogues and killed Jewish people, which, by the way,
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  was the November 1938 was the start of the Holocaust, Crystal Knock was that day.
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  So you can go back that way.
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  But looking at today, the modern iteration of BDS started in 2005.
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  It was co-founded by Omar Barguiti and Palestinian guy and Mahmoud Abbas.
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  And basically, it's the model, their philosophy.
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  So they say on the, what happened in South Africa to boycott South Africa when it was going,
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  you know, when they, when they had the issues of racism that some of that boycott in South
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  Africa worked.
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  So they said, we're going to do the same thing, but it's only against Israel.
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  It's boycotting Israeli products, boycotting Israeli artists, personalities, movies, books,
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  or divesting from people that basically have business in Israel or even businesses in
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  America or parts of the world who partner with Israeli companies.
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  So they say, we don't want to support that.
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  So we divest, we boycott, and we sanction all those things.
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  And what's interesting to me is that they're so inconsistent.
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  There's no ethical, nothing's not ethical at all.
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  They're so inconsistent.
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  They will boycott anything that's Israeli.
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  So my question is, should you stop using a cell phone because cell phone technology was
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  invented by Israel?
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  Should you stop using an Intel computer because the Intel chip was invented by Israel?
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  Should you not use a thumb drive because they were invented by Jewish people by Israel?
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  And then what's interesting to me also is that Mr. Bargootie has a PhD from Tel Aviv University.
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  That's Israel.
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  So should he return his PhD because it really is not valid.
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  It's an Israeli school.
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  So they're not consistent.
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  They're just, but the world is going like, oh, again, not checking on historical accuracy,
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  not checking on facts.
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  The world is going, this is a good way to promote social justice and to do good.
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  So I'm going to boycott Israel.
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  So did I misunderstand while I was reading your book on that section on boycott divestment
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  and sanction?
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  And you said there are some in the evangelical church that for some somehow this is appealing
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  to them or they're supportive of this.
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  Can you explain that?
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  Well, it's going to be appealing to some in the evangelical church simply because again,
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  Christians, the vast majority of Christians today, you know that they do not read their
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  Bible.
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  They do not understand the place of Israel and the plan of God.
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  They do not understand that that the Palestinian narrative is a false narrative based on an
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  agenda of a destructive agenda for the Jewish people.
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  So they go like, well, the Jewish people in Israel, the Israelis have colonized and have
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  occupied and to stop that, we have to boycott.
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  And there are people within the church and those are the churches.
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  There are some condemnation within Christendom that will promote BDS because they think it's
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  the right way to stop the occupier, the colonizer that Israel is when in fact Israel is not
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  an occupier.
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  You do not occupy a land that you own.
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  Okay.
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  Go ahead.
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  No, no, it doesn't answer your question.
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  Yes, yes.
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  I wanted to, I didn't mention in this part two, the titles of a couple of the books we're
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  talking about.
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  I just want to do that briefly.
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  The BDS section that we're talking about is in this book called End Times Anti-Semitism.
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  We're also talking about the time is now.
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  We talked about that in our first program with Olivier Melnik.
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  And the most recent book, The Normalization of Anti-Semitism when the oldest hatred becomes
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  the new normal and we are in a scary place globally because of that truth and it's become
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  normalized.
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  I want to go to the three points on page 265 claims that Israel must meet these three
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  obligations and get your response if you want to explain them further.
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  Number one, ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands occupied in June 1967 and dismantling
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  the wall.
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  Number two, recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab, Palestinian citizens of Israel
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  to full equality and number three, respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian
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  refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN Resolution 194.
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  And we know that UN has been anti-Israel for as long as I can remember so many resolutions
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  against Israel.
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  If you want to expand on any one of those three or share whatever you'd like Olivier to
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  help us out with.
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  Again, looking at those three points that Omar Barguiti made basically is trying to, they
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  rest on a false narrative saying that you have to return the land, you have to stop the
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  enemy reread, respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees, Palestinian
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  refugees are Arabs who were forced to stay in the land of Israel when Israel became a nation.
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  They were forced by their own people all around Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt.
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  They were forced to stay and they became refugees by default because they were not a lot to
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  go back to their own countries and then they became stuck in Israel.
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  But the reality, David, is that inside Israel, Arabs, inside Israel are treated very well.
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  And what's interesting when the world is joining forces with the people like Omar Barguiti
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  and Mahmoud Abbas and the haters of Israel, they're joining forces to say, you know what,
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  Israel is committing genocide and ethnic cleansing, let me set the record here.
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  And I think I put it in one of my books, I forgot which one it is.
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  But let me set the record, there are two million Arabs today in living inside Israel.
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  I'm not talking about the disputed territories, I don't call them occupied, I call them disputed.
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  I don't call, you know, I'm not talking about Judea, I'm not talking about Gaza, Arabs living
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  inside Israeli territory, recognized, you know, by that name, two million Arabs,
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  that's about 1.5 million more than in 1948.
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  That is the opposite of ethnic cleansing, my friend.
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  Now, look at the Jews killed in the Holocaust, 18 million Jews, 6 million died, 12 million left.
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  We have 15 million Jews in the world today.
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  Still, 3 million short of what we had before the Holocaust, that is ethnic cleansing.
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  Yep.
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  And by the way, we've talked about this on the previous programs with other guests,
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  but I want to get your take on their talking point that Israel is colonizing.
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  And what's the other word, their occupiers, we've showed the map of Israel and all the surrounding nations.
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  And a lot of us don't understand how they can get away with putting out that talking point.
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  Can you help us understand that?
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  Well, and the Israel is right now is the size of New Jersey.
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  And you look at the map of the Arab world, it's, I don't even know what percent it is,
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  but when you put, when you scan the whole, the map of the Arab world,
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  and you look for Israel, a little red sliver, it's hard to find it.
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  Yes.
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  It's hard to find it.
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  And as nothing to do with them being occupiers, it has all to do with, again,
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  the satanic desire to destroy all the Jews.
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  I don't care if Israel is in the Middle East, or if all the Jews lived in a different place of the world.
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  You know, before they were given the biblical land of Israel in 1948, rightfully so,
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  there were two proposals to move all the Jews back to either Uganda, in Africa,
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  or the island of Madagascar.
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  And they both said, you know, they said, no, it's not going to work.
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  We're going back to the land of Israel.
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  But it would not matter if all the Jews were in the land of, on the island of Madagascar,
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  Southeast of Africa, they would still be an agenda, a global agenda today,
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  to destroy all of them because they're a thorn in the flesh of Satan,
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  and he wants to get all gone.
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  So the false acquisition of colonization and occupation, you know, based on, you know,
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  you look at what's happening in Gaza right now.
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  The Jews are the Israelis are accused of occupation.
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  There was not one Jew in Gaza.
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  There's no occupation.
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  Gaza is ruled by the Palestinian Authority, by Hamas, actually.
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  So the Jewish people are not even allowed there.
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  They don't go there.
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  They're not, I mean, just, just that little strip of Gaza.
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  They're not occupying anything.
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  They're not there.
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  And so staying into occupation is wrong.
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  Calling for a ceasefire.
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  You didn't ask that question, but I'm going to tell you anyway.
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  Calling for ceasefire is wrong as well because guess what?
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  There was a ceasefire until October 6th.
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  And then Hamas broke the ceasefire on October 7th.
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  Wow.
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  Wow.
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  We heard the quote paraphrase quite a bit if they put down their weapons.
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  There will be peace.
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  If Israel puts down her weapons, there will be no more Israel.
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  We've got to take a very quick break.
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  We're with Olivier Melnick.
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  And when we come back on World View Matters, we're going to be talking about the three
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  That's what's driving all this.
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  So it helps you understand why some people can hate the Jews and they might not even understand
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  So Olivier, before we get into the three D's of anti-semitism in your book, your latest
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  book, the normalization of anti-semitism, you ask different pastors and church leaders,
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  which I absolutely love how you did this.
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  Four different questions for and you asked each one of them the same four questions.
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  Could you explain just their answers were almost almost unified or similar in some way,
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  but they all gave us a slightly different take.
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  How did you decide those are the four biggest questions you could ask all of these influential
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  people in the evangelical and Christian community?
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  Well, you know, they were, you know, in the questions, you know, we've, you know, to put
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  a little context in this, that one question was, do you think the church relationship
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  with the Jewish people was a factor in the Holocaust and how, and the next one was, what
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  should Christians do differently today to bridge the gap between the Jewish community
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  and the Christian community?
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  Third one was, what do you think is the number one reason for the lack of Christian support
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  of Israel and fourth, what is to you the most convicting verse or passage of the Bible
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  validating God's plan for Israel and the Jewish people?
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  Right.
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  What I said is that to those four questions and I asked, and all these wonderful Bible
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  teachers, they're all friends, I wanted Gentile believers, that's why I didn't ask any
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  Jewish believers.
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  I have, you know, a few people I wanted to ask, but they're Jewish believers like myself.
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  I wanted to ask Gentile believers who understand the Bible, who love Israel, who love the Jewish
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  people to give me their take on this, on those four questions to, and they all came up
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  with, you know, their own version of the fact that, you know, if anybody reads the Bible
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  properly, they'll find out that Israel is all throughout the pages of the Bible.
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  God has not finished with Israel.
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  God has a great plan for Israel that's going to kind of reconvene and finish its plan
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  for Israel throughout the seven year tribulation, the time of Jacob's trouble, and that doing
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  anything against the Jewish people is working against God and against his covenants.
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  So I wanted, the reason why I put those guys in there, I'm hoping that if Jewish person
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  who doesn't know Yeshua, who doesn't know Jesus, put, you know, get this book in their hands
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  and go like, oh, wow, there's a bunch of Bible teachers, they're Christians and they actually
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  love Israel and the Jews.
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  Right now, we need, and this is why I did that, really, we need to tell our Jewish friends,
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  our Jewish co-workers, neighbors, family members, maybe, we need to let them know, I've got
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  your back, because right now globally, the Jewish community is very, very scared of what's
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  happening, and they fear for their lives.
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  I got a lot of family from France, and life is becoming miserable for Jewish people.
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  The numbers for Al-Yah for making, you know, the law of return in Israel are, you know,
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  spiking again, because a lot of Jewish people in Europe are going like, we're done, it's
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  even though there's a war in Israel right now, it's still safer to live in Israel than
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  to live in the world.
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  That says a lot.
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  That says a lot right there.
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  And friends, I just want to mention who Olivier reached out to for these questions, David
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  Reagan, Mike Spalding, Mando Gonzalez, Mark Hitchcock, Todd Hamps, and Tommy Ice, Brandon
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  House, Brandon Holthouse, Andy Woods, Don Perkins, Tom Hughes, William Canig and Billy Crone.
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  So Olivier, before we go on to the three Ds of anti-Semitism, I want to go to question
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  number three and get your brief response.
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  What do you, Olivier Melnick, think, is the number one reason for the lack of Christian
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  support of Israel?
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  My, when I look at, you know, I've been doing this for 23 years, and I think it's the
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  illiteracy of Christians, they do not read their Bible.
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  We have failed.
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  This current generation of the younger generation, not interested in churches, not interested
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  in going to church or anything Christian, we, as in our generation and older, we have
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  failed in discipling them and excited about being believers.
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  So now they're walking away from the church.
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  And alongside that, of course, you've got this postmodern view of everybody has to,
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  you know, we all have to get along and the, what I'm looking for is, I can't, can't think
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  of the word right now, but, you know, lack of education is, is probably the number one.
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  They don't know what they're talking about.
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  They're not interested.
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  So anything that sounds good, that sounds like it's going to be bringing justice, they
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  jump on it.
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  And of course, again, the irrational aspect of social justice for the Palestinians, we have
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  not become under the new anti-Semitism, the new victims and the Jews have become the
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  new Nazis of the Middle East.
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  I just did a message at a church last Sunday on, you know, on what's happening since
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  October 7th, and I showed a series of cartoons that have been published, especially by Arab
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  cartoonists.
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  And everything on those cartoons portrays Israel in a way that is exactly what is being
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  done to the Jews, you know, the Jews control the press, which is one of the oldest tropes.
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  But it's not true.
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  The world is going against, you know, the press is spreading lies against Israel and
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  against the Jewish people.
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  And so all those different cartoons, they show exactly what the enemy is trying to do.
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  And they're like, they're painting Israel as being the enemy.
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  But Israel, when you look at how Israel is handling the war and every war they've had, what
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  that country in the world, according to conventional war methods, would drop leaflets hours before
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  they bomb and say, tomorrow, at this address, we are going to drop a bomb, get out, run for
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  your life.
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  This is not conventional warfare.
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  This is skincare of human beings.
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  I mean, there is another cartoon I saw when you have an Israeli soldier on, you know,
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  on this knees with a gun like this, and behind him is a little baby being protected.
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  And then you have on the other side of Palestinian soldier putting a baby in front of him as
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  a shield.
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  And that is, that's what's happening.
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  I mean, I think for those who are really interested in the truth, if they look at what's
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  happening with the United Nations organization, the UNRAW, right now that was actually millions
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  were funneled into that organization to help humanitarian crisis and with the Palestinians.
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  And some of the people over there actually, you know, sponsored by the United Nations ended
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  up being actors in October 7th or terrorist attack against Israel.
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  That's how bad it is and the world is not paying attention.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  Well, one of the reasons is the propaganda is off the charts because the left controls
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  the narrative that the Jews don't run the press in the media.
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  Oh, my goodness.
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  I mean, just look at what's coming out of there.
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  And anyway, we've got to move on to the three Ds of anti-Semitism before we run out
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  of time.
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  Okay.
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  By the way, if you run the press, we would, we would make sure that we look better for
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  the world.
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  Yeah.
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  Exactly.
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  So the three Ds of anti-Semitism, that's, I haven't found in all my research in all
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  the years, a better way to just to determine if something is anti-Semitic or not.
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  And this was originally written and explained by Natan Shoransky, who is a Soviet refusenic
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  who came to Israel.
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  And he worked a lot with the Leah program bringing Jews to the land.
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  And he said, if anything falls under those three Ds, any event or a person or a statement
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  of any of those three Ds, it is anti-Semitic.
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  And they are demonization, delegitimization, and double standards, demonizing the Jews,
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  saying that the Jews are evil people that kill, that kill poor Palestinians.
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  During the Middle Ages, the Jews were accused of killing Christian babies to draw their blood,
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  to mix in the unleavened bread for Passover, which is ridiculous, because under kosher
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  law, the first thing we get rid of is the blood.
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  Ignoring the facts and just a big lie about the Jews, that's demonization.
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  Delegitimization is basically saying the Jews do not belong in Israel, they do not,
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  the land is not theirs, so it's not legitimate for them to live there, they have to get out,
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  they have nowhere to go, so we're going to get rid of them.
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  And then D, double standard, well, just look at the United Nations and tell me, you do
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  not see a double standard, all those propositions, the resolution that I've been asked against Israel,
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  they, the number of those against one little country as opposed to the rest of the world,
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  like Sudan and China and Iran, nobody talks about those people killing their own people,
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  but Israel, focal point, that's double standard.
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  Yeah, all tons of resolutions against Israel, and this is a history that goes back,
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  but before we run out of time and we're, we are, it's getting close Olivier,
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  what can true biblical Christians do other than, of course, keeping an out for our Jewish
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  friends and neighbors and sharing the truth of the Messiah of Jesus with them?
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  What else can biblical Christians do speak up maybe on social media? Go ahead.
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  Oh, man, David, I wish we can do another show on this, maybe we should.
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  Let's do it. I am part of a network that started being developed three and a half years ago.
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  Now, it's not a ministry. It's a secret network like an underground railroad for Jewish people.
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  And we've been organizing Christian, like-minded Christians in America, but also in the rest of the
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  world, to prepare themselves to rescue and shelter Jewish people was way before October 7th.
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  And what's happening is that right now, I get a lot of Christians reaching out to me saying,
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  Olivier, count me in. My house will be open for a Jewish person or a Jewish family.
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  And that network is, if people want to be part of it, again, it's a secret network. We are not
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  on the web. We don't advertise. We don't raise money, but it's called Bridges to Zion.
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  So if people go to Bridges, number two, Zion, Bridges to Zion.com, they can sign up for that network.
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  It is no fee. We don't charge money. We don't take money. It just like-minded Christians saying,
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  it's time to redeem the past and really do better than some Christians 80 years ago did not
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  when they became bystanders. And I could explain this in great detail if we may do another show.
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  But I'm not trying to push myself on your show. No, I want you to promise. I want to get you on
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  record that we're going to do another show on this. Okay, I promise.
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  Well, friends, make sure to go to newantisemitism.com. And this is a short read. This book is the
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  most recent, the normalization of anti-Semitism. Make sure you check that out. It's on Amazon.
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  And we're just so thankful for the work and the years of research that we can glean from as
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  true biblical Christians and evangelicals. And from Olivier, we just thank you for your time.
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  What a blessing today. We'll do another show down the road a little bit in the near future. But
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  brother, God bless you. May he enlarge your territory and continue to give you good success.
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  Thank you, Shalom. All right. Thank you. Shalom. Shalom. All right. Olivier Melnick,
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  the books are great. Again, they're available on Amazon friends. Who do we have tomorrow? Where's
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  the list here? Pastor Claude Stoffer has got a book out. He did an extensive study on the book
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  of Romans and chapters 9 through 11 are in there. I'm sure. So that's tomorrow. We'll be talking with
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  him and then Mark and Amber Archer of fearless features. They've got a phenomenal documentary
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  called dysphoria. I watched it yesterday. It is eye opening and we'll talk to them on Thursday.
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  God bless you guys. And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.