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The Kenny Report | 12 August · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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Speaker 1: Kenny Report tonight, would we really let Hummus supporters into
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Speaker 1: this country? Dave Sharma joins me. Also an exclusive look
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Speaker 1: at how the push for the Muslim vote is making
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Speaker 1: life tough for labor lots. On the Olympics and whether
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Speaker 1: they rank as our greatest. With ninety ninety six Olympic
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Speaker 1: gold medalist Nova peris joining me. Another massive wind farm
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Speaker 1: being opposed by a local regional community. I have the
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Speaker 1: latest on that. Also. Paul Murray will join me, so
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Speaker 1: too will jemmaton Uni, carolinea also and Sophie Ellsworth on
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Speaker 1: ABC staff resisting a move to the suburbs. Let's get cracking.
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Speaker 1: With the Olympics over and Parliament sitting again, it's time
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Speaker 1: to get back into the national sport of politics. And
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Speaker 1: after talking up a big game about Newspole performance, the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister's lead has been clawed back again again with
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Speaker 1: less than one lap around the Sun to go before
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Speaker 1: the election. News poll has the major parties now at
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Speaker 1: fifty to fifty on a two party preferred basis, and
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Speaker 1: that's because Labour's primary vote has slipped back to an
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Speaker 1: abysmal thirty two percent versus the Coalition at thirty nine percent.
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Speaker 1: In polling, the trend is your friend, and the trend
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Speaker 1: favors Peter Dutton and the Coalition at the moment, and
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Speaker 1: that could be embarrassing and politically dire for Anthony Alberzi
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Speaker 1: given this, Hubris, I showed you back in February.
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Speaker 2: We haven't lost a news poll since I've been Prime minister.
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Speaker 2: We ever lost a news poll since I've been Prime Minister?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Well, Malcolm Turnbull famously once justified overthrowing Tony Abbott by
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Speaker 1: citing his news poll losses before going on to lose
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Speaker 1: more than Abbott and getting flicked himself. Since boasting he'd
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Speaker 1: never lost a news poll, Albanezi has seen the Coalition
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Speaker 1: draw level with him a couple of times. How will
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Speaker 1: he react and more importantly, how will his colleague to
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Speaker 1: react if he slips behind? Expect panic? I mean, Albo
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Speaker 1: and Labor have been handing out energy rebates, they've been
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Speaker 1: handing out pay rises, they've been handing out reconfigured tax cuts,
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Speaker 1: and they've largely abandoned Israel in their effort to hold
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Speaker 1: on to the Muslim vote, and they're destroying our energy
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Speaker 1: grid to try to appeal to the hard green left.
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Speaker 1: And all of this is driven by base politics, none
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Speaker 1: of us good governance. It's all about lifting their polling,
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Speaker 1: winning votes. And they're still going nowhere, facing minority government
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Speaker 1: most likely, or even the possibility of being defeated by
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Speaker 1: Dutton and the coalition. So what will they try next?
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Speaker 1: I'm tipping whatever it is, it won't be good for
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Speaker 1: the nation. Now. I'll have plenty on our Olympic success tonight,
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Speaker 1: with Nova Peris in a moment joining me. But let's
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Speaker 1: have a look at some of the more amusing aspects
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Speaker 1: of the games. The Aussie break or breakdancer Ray gun
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Speaker 1: who scored zero and has been the subject of much
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Speaker 1: mirth right around the world. Now, first up this activity,
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Speaker 1: this dancing shouldn't be in the Olympics, should it. And second,
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Speaker 1: while the Aussie danced about as well as most Aussie
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Speaker 1: blokes do at a wedding reception, let's be glad we
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Speaker 1: all got a few laughs out of it. I'm pleased
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Speaker 1: to say the dancer herself, Rachel Gunn, didn't take herself
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Speaker 1: too seriously and she gave a bit of an encore
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Speaker 1: performance for her teammates in the Olympic village, but around
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Speaker 1: the world, takeoffs of Raygun have dominated social media. Oh
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Speaker 1: it's too good, isn't It looks like Saturday morning at
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Speaker 1: our place. And even Seeinger Adil has chatted about this
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Speaker 1: during a concert and she's talked about the joy she
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Speaker 1: got from the performance.
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Speaker 4: I have to ask you because because it's all that
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Speaker 4: me and my friends have been talking about last night,
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Speaker 4: after the show and today.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying anything.
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Speaker 5: I'm you know, I think it's taken out.
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Speaker 6: I think it's the best thing that's happened in the
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Speaker 6: Olympics the entire time. Did anyone see the break dancing lady?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? And one wag in Australia suggested that we should
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Speaker 1: have entered Humphrey b Bear and based on this old clip,
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Speaker 1: he might have done okay, Humphrey Gunn. But I reckon.
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Speaker 1: You have to wonder how ray Gun or Rachel Gunn
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Speaker 1: got to the Games in the first place. And I
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Speaker 1: hope it wasn't some exercise in virtue signaling. I mean,
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Speaker 1: have a look at her, pH D. Yeah, Yeah, that's right, PhD.
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Speaker 1: It was on deterritorializing gender in Sydney's breakdancing scene. De
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Speaker 1: territorializing gender in Sydney's breakdancing scene, where she wrote. This
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Speaker 1: thesis critically interrogates how masculiness practices of breakdancing offers a
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Speaker 1: site for the transgression of gendered norms. Drawing on my
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Speaker 1: own experiences as a female within the male dominated breakdancing
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Speaker 1: scene in Sydney, first as a spectator and then as
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Speaker 1: an active crew member, this thesis questions why so few
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Speaker 1: female participants engage in this creative space and how breakdancing
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Speaker 1: might be the space to displace and de territorialize gender. Now,
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Speaker 1: that's as difficult to interpret her dancing. I sure hope
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Speaker 1: none of that nonsense helped her win a place at
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Speaker 1: the Olympics. These pointless PhDs are a worry, of course,
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Speaker 1: our treasurer Jim Charmers wrote his thesis not on economics,
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Speaker 1: but on the political genius that is Paul Keating. Having
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Speaker 1: a bit of a laugh about breakdancing is one thing.
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Speaker 1: Enduring a cost of living crisis is quite another. And
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Speaker 1: Jim Charmers isn't winning any medals, and unlike Reygun, he's
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Speaker 1: not even putting smiles on people's faces. One of the
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Speaker 1: reasons the Albanese government is under duress and losing the
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Speaker 1: confidence of voters has to be immigration and national security. Sure,
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Speaker 1: cost of living has got to be at number one,
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Speaker 1: But the fact we have record immigration while there's a
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Speaker 1: cost of living crunch and a housing crisis doesn't fill
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Speaker 1: the public with confidence. Doesn't. On top of that, we've
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Speaker 1: had boats arriving and hundreds of violent criminals who are
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Speaker 1: non citizens set free from immigration to Tenson, with dozens
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Speaker 1: of them being arrested over subsequent alleged offenses. And now
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Speaker 1: after the Albin Easy Labor government has accepted hundreds of
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Speaker 1: refugees from Gaza, we've heard the ASIO boss. The ASIO
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Speaker 1: boss tell us that even if refugees support Hummus, they
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Speaker 1: could still be allowed in.
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Speaker 7: If they're giving financial support or material aid, that can
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Speaker 7: be a problem, And obviously we take each case on
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Speaker 7: its merits and context of the information we have before us.
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Speaker 1: But if it's just rhetorical support.
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Speaker 7: If it's just rhetorical re support and they don't have
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Speaker 7: an ideology or support for a violent extream as an ideology,
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Speaker 7: then that's not a problem. If they have a support
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Speaker 7: for that idergy that will be a problem.
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Speaker 1: Really, humm Us is a murderous Islamist extremist terrorist organization.
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Speaker 1: If you support humm Us, you are supporting Islamist extremism
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Speaker 1: and terrorism. How can anybody support but not support their ideology.
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Speaker 1: If you support labor, you support their union based ideology.
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Speaker 1: If you support the Liberal Party you support their free
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Speaker 1: enterprise ideals. This is an absurd proposition from the AZO chief.
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Speaker 1: You can't support Hummas and not support their ideology. This
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Speaker 1: comes just days after the same man spoke at a
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Speaker 1: press conference announcing the elevation of our terror threat level
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Speaker 1: without once mentioning Islamist extremism. Instead, he mentioned Islamophobia and
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Speaker 1: said it was almost as prevalent as anti Semitism. This
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Speaker 1: is worrying weakness. This is trying to avoid a threat
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Speaker 1: by pretending it away. When it comes to support for
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Speaker 1: Hummus and our immigration and security checks, the Coalition has
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Speaker 1: a totally different take.
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Speaker 8: The acceptable number of Hummas supporters to be brought into
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Speaker 8: this country is zero. Anybody who supports using violent means
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Speaker 8: to achieve political objectives is not welcome in Australia and
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Speaker 8: should not come to Australia.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, said James Patterson. This is deeply worrying stuff.
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Speaker 1: If we're not clear and robust about our security and
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Speaker 1: how we will stand up against those who want to
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Speaker 1: destroy not just Israel but all of Western civilization, including
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Speaker 1: our own country, well we'll end up in the social
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Speaker 1: mess that the UK and much of Western Europe is in.
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Speaker 1: At the very least, there is nothing racist or bigoted
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Speaker 1: about sensibly barring from your country those who oppose your
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Speaker 1: country and its democratic freedoms. If you support UMAs, you
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Speaker 1: support ending our democracy, our rule of law, our personal freedoms,
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Speaker 1: and you support replacing it with Sharia law under an
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Speaker 1: extreme Islamist monoculture. It's not anti Muslim to oppose that.
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Speaker 1: Most Muslims don't want that. That's why they've come here
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Speaker 1: to live in freedom. As a country, we should have
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Speaker 1: no qualms about opposing a radical Islamist ideology and protecting
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Speaker 1: this country from it. We need governments to be absolutely
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Speaker 1: clear on this. Joining me now is Liberal Senative for
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Speaker 1: New South Wales Dave Shama, obviously former Australian ambassador to
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Speaker 1: Israel as well. Dave, tell me in what universe anybody
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Speaker 1: who supports humus can be welcome in this country.
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Speaker 2: Well, look, Chris, we have a duty to every citizen
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Speaker 2: in this country not to allow people to come to
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Speaker 2: this country who might endanger them or endanger our own democracy.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'd make the point that no one has
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Speaker 2: a right to move to Australia, or my great to
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Speaker 2: Australia will be granted humanitarian refuge in Australia. It's a
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Speaker 2: choice we make as a nation and it's part of
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Speaker 2: the exercise of our sovereignty. It's making sure that the
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Speaker 2: people we bring here are not going to detract from
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Speaker 2: social harmony, and're not going to cause division and not
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Speaker 2: going to pursue or persecut one another. I'm not going
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Speaker 2: to seek to undermine our values and our system of government.
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Speaker 1: Does the Coalition have faith in the Director General of AS,
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Speaker 1: Mike Burgess?
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Speaker 2: Look, I'd say that Mike Burgess is offering his professional opinion. Ultimately, though,
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Speaker 2: it's the government and ministers that set the policy about
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Speaker 2: who can come to Australia, and then he might be
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Speaker 2: correct in terms of a legalistic sense of what ASIO
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Speaker 2: looks at and doesn't look at, but the government will
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Speaker 2: rarely has to have questions of character ability to integrate
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Speaker 2: adaption to the Australian way of life, in Australian values
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Speaker 2: first and foremost, and of course the security of Australians. Now,
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Speaker 2: you know, we've seen last week, for instance, Michelle Bulk
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Speaker 2: there is a Bank Governor of Australia be prepared to
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Speaker 2: talk truth about to power, so to speak. And we
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Speaker 2: should expect that of all of our senior civil servants
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Speaker 2: in statutory protected positions like that of the Director of Security.
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Speaker 1: But in just the last week we've seen Mike Burgess
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Speaker 1: say that the threat of Islamophobia in this country is
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Speaker 1: almost equal to the anti Semitism that we've seen rife
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Speaker 1: in this country since October the seventh. How can he
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Speaker 1: make that equivalence and shouldn't that be opposed publicly, not
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Speaker 1: only by the Coalition but by the government.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think empirically that is clearly not the case.
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Speaker 2: I mean, clearly, we've seen a huge outburst in anti Semitism.
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Speaker 2: It's incidents that are well documented, widescale protests, people being
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Speaker 2: docs and we frankly have not seen anything like that
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Speaker 2: level of Islamophobia being expressed. If we had, you know,
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Speaker 2: I would be the first to condemn it. We should
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Speaker 2: all be quick to condemn it, but it's sagreeinic not
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Speaker 2: being the case. Now, look, I'm you know, like Burgess
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Speaker 2: as a public servant. I think, you know, as a politician,
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Speaker 2: you should spend your time criticizing and focusing on the government.
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Speaker 2: But it's not an assessment I would make, and I
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Speaker 2: don't think it's an assessment that is supported by the evidence.
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Speaker 2: And I do worry a little that he's saying what
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Speaker 2: he thinks his political masters want him to say, and
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Speaker 2: that is not a good position to be in.
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Speaker 1: Well, this is the problem. Of course, of course the
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Speaker 1: Coalition doesn't want to undermine confidence in public officials, especially
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Speaker 1: when they're in this intelligence area. But here in the
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Speaker 1: last week you've got Mike Burgess saying that equating the
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Speaker 1: threat from Islamophobia and anti Semitism in this country, would
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Speaker 1: you say is empirically not the case, and then on
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Speaker 1: the weekend suggesting that we would let people into this
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Speaker 1: country who support hummus if they don't support the ideology.
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Speaker 1: I mean, both of these statements seem manifestly untrue, and
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Speaker 1: they're conveying the wrong message to Australians about how we
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Speaker 1: manage our own society and our own security. Threats.
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Speaker 2: I think you make some good points there, Chris. I'd
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Speaker 2: just say, look, the Director General of Security in Australia,
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Speaker 2: it's in a very important position. I think that public
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Speaker 2: appearances should be pretty rare and sparing, and when they speak,
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Speaker 2: it should be with authority and in a way that
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Speaker 2: doesn't undermine the reputation of their office or the integrity
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Speaker 2: of their office ultimately. I mean, you know, the policies
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Speaker 2: that we've seen in Australia, the outburk, outburst in anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism concerns, we've seen about the security and immigration checks
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Speaker 2: that are being placed on arrivals from Gaza, those are
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Speaker 2: ultimately responsibilities of the governor of the day, the Alban
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Speaker 2: easy labor government of the day, and they're the ones
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Speaker 2: who ultimately should be held accountable for this.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you one more question on this. Do
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Speaker 1: you believe that Mike Burgers seems more intent on not
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Speaker 1: offending pro Palestinian Australians than he is about being frank
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Speaker 1: about our security environment.
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to answer you directly about, Chris, but
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Speaker 2: I would say that, look, it's important at these sorts
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Speaker 2: of times that people who hold public officers level with
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Speaker 2: the public are honest and frank with the public. You know,
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Speaker 2: politicians are allowed to portray a particular side of the argument,
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Speaker 2: but statutory officeholders need to be frank and feelers and
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Speaker 2: their advice not only to their political masters, but the
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Speaker 2: public at large.
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Speaker 1: All right, Dave Shama, thanks so much for joining us.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Dave Shama, their Liberal senator for New
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Speaker 1: South Wales. Let's get on to the Olympic Games now.
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Speaker 1: In Australia's performance in Paris is being hailed as our
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Speaker 1: greatest Olympics ever. Certainly, we've won more gold at these
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Speaker 1: Games than ever before, and we finished fourth behind the
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Speaker 1: much more populous nations of the USA, China and Japan,
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Speaker 1: and we beat France, also about three times our population.
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Speaker 1: We even beat the host nation into fifth place. So
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Speaker 1: to help put it all into perspective, I caught up
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Speaker 1: with Olympian Nova Peris, who was a gold medalist in
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Speaker 1: hockey from Atlanta and reckons this Olympic team deserves all
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Speaker 1: the accolades it gets. Yeah, it was absolutely brilliant.
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Speaker 9: And as a woman as a mother, to see so
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Speaker 9: many females take gold and you know, get up on
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Speaker 9: that dice is just incredible. And whilst we're comparing this
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Speaker 9: games to Sydney, which is, you know, one of the
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Speaker 9: most successful, we had six hundred and thirty athletes in
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Speaker 9: Sydney as opposed to only four hundred and sixty one
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Speaker 9: athletes at this Olympic. So it just goes to show
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Speaker 9: that with less people, we've certainly punched.
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Speaker 1: Well above our weight.
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Speaker 9: And it was just so many incredible memories for me
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Speaker 9: out of all of the Olympics. You know, I just
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Speaker 9: see the Fox sisters.
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Speaker 1: Knew Kennedy.
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Speaker 9: I cried in that that she was historical for track
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Speaker 9: and field. She became our first ever field events Olympic
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Speaker 9: gold medals, taking out the gold in the poll vault.
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Speaker 9: But who could also forget our amazing little pocket rocket
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Speaker 9: Jessica Hull taken out silver in the fifteen hundred, which
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Speaker 9: was also historical for us.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting you say that, because I think you
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Speaker 1: need a can of these. Gold in the pole vault
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Speaker 1: speaks for itself and was absolutely brilliant. But yeah, I
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Speaker 1: don't think Australia has ever won a better silver than
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Speaker 1: jess Harlowe the fifteen hundred metering. You know, it's just
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Speaker 1: such a blue ribbon event so hotly contested around the
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Speaker 1: world and over the ages, and for her to be
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Speaker 1: there right there at world pace and getting the silver
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Speaker 1: is fantastic. She's twenty seven. Is she going to be
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Speaker 1: able to go for gold in four years time?
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Speaker 9: I think so. Well, the athlete, she came second to
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Speaker 9: Faith Kip Yeegan who that was her third fifteen hundred Olympic.
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Speaker 1: Gold medal, and she's just a legend.
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Speaker 9: Hold does she break the world record going? Oh, she
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Speaker 9: was phenomenal. So someone like Jess knows if she can
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Speaker 9: come second to one of the greatest fifteen hundred meters ever,
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Speaker 9: absolutely she could be eyeing off a world record and
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Speaker 9: we could see the tides turn come the La Olympics
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Speaker 9: where our young Jess Hull could pick up gold and
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Speaker 9: that fifteen hundred Because I don't think Faith will be
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Speaker 9: around for another four years, but I could be wrong,
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Speaker 9: but it'll be a calling for Jess Hull.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Think in the context, no one would want to
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Speaker 1: take away anything from this Paris performance. It's fantastic, but
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Speaker 1: for context, it's worth recording that if we were to
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Speaker 1: equal our nineteen fifty six Melbourne Olympics percentage of gold
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Speaker 1: medals we would have won twenty eight. So there are
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Speaker 1: more than there are about double the sports and double
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Speaker 1: the events on offer now compared to nineteen fifty six,
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Speaker 1: So we just got to remember that context. But also
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Speaker 1: in terms of context you mentioned the swimmers as well.
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Speaker 1: The girls in the pool were fantastic, Kayleen McEwen and
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Speaker 1: morio'callaghan and Narrian Titmas and Cam mckivoid got a gold
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Speaker 1: for the blokes there as well. I think the stunning
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Speaker 1: result here is on the medals tally we finished above Frontce,
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Speaker 1: the host nation, a nation with a proud sporting record,
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Speaker 1: to finish above them in fourth place is just incredible.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, And like for Australian something, we are a
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Speaker 9: nation of sports lovers. But even like going back to
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Speaker 9: the per capita Chris, when you look at you know,
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Speaker 9: we've got one gold in one point four million Australians.
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Speaker 9: When you look at China, there's the population there, they've
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Speaker 9: got one goal per fifty six million, USA one goal
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Speaker 9: per twelve million. So when you look at our tiny
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Speaker 9: little population against you know, everywhere else, it is just
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Speaker 9: phenomenal of what we've had to do. And the exciting
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Speaker 9: thing is obviously we've got Los Angeles and next Olympics,
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Speaker 9: but we've got a home Olympics which is just eight
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Speaker 9: years away. So all these young kiddies who are thirteen
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Speaker 9: fourteen year olds now watching our Olympians, you know, excel
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Speaker 9: the way that they did, and it was just it
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Speaker 9: took us all on an emotional rollercoaster. Like I remember
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Speaker 9: watching Naomi Fox when her gold and her sister Jess
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Speaker 9: when she jumped into the water and I was doing
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Speaker 9: that on stand and I was crying. Yeah, it's that's
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Speaker 9: a beautiful thing with sports. It brings us together, but
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Speaker 9: it allows the next generation to see something to witness,
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Speaker 9: and then our young kids have the ability to dream
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Speaker 9: big as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, brilliant stuff, Just fantastic. And yeah, thinking ahead two
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Speaker 1: games time in Australia and Brisbane, that's just going to
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Speaker 1: be superb. I just want to get you on another
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Speaker 1: issue while you're then over. You and I both had
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Speaker 1: the honor of judging a Jewish school public speaking event
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Speaker 1: last Friday and you made a fantastic speech there. I
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Speaker 1: think a lot of Australians would like to hear what
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Speaker 1: you said there. Your point about the Aboriginal flag being
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Speaker 1: seen so often at these Palestinian protests, which are so
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Speaker 1: often anti Semitic, and you make the point that Indigenous
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Speaker 1: Australians have a deep affinity with Jewish Australians and the
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Speaker 1: State of Israel explain that to us.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, the thing is, Chris is like, as you would know,
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Speaker 9: our flag was under copyright for many, many years, and
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Speaker 9: there's myself and a couple of others who led the
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Speaker 9: campaign to ultimately the government buying the to own it.
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Speaker 9: So the government has the obligation to care for that flag.
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Speaker 9: We know that the movement everyone has a right to
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Speaker 9: be able to have free speech and protest accordingly, so
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Speaker 9: it's not bringing hatred. But we have seen the protests
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Speaker 9: give rise to anti semitivism in this country and it's
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Speaker 9: not fair to the Jewish people who have contributed that
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Speaker 9: built this country up, and they are the true people
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Speaker 9: of the Land of the Israel, the Kingdom of Israel,
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Speaker 9: and it upsets me to see our flag misappropriate in
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Speaker 9: that way, and a lot of Aboriginal people are not
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Speaker 9: happy about that because it's not how.
21:41
Speaker 1: All Aboriginal people think.
21:42
Speaker 9: And we have a long affiliation with the Jewish people,
21:45
Speaker 9: and the Jewish people lawyers Ron Cast and jeffreysher. You
21:48
Speaker 9: know the freedom Rides of nineteen sixty five. There are
21:51
Speaker 9: Jewish people that's still in solidarity and supported my people.
21:54
Speaker 9: So it is upsetting and I hope that the government.
21:57
Speaker 9: You know, I've written to Mark Drethus to ask us
22:00
Speaker 9: where's the responsibility lie with the use of the Aboriginal flag.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, great perspective. Nova, thanks so much for joining us.
22:08
Speaker 1: I really appreciate catching up with you today.
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Speaker 4: Pleasure.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Chris, Yeah, Nova, peris. They're great to talk about
22:13
Speaker 1: the Olympic Games with someone who's been there and done that,
22:16
Speaker 1: and she has been a strong and brave voice standing
22:19
Speaker 1: up against anti Semitism in this country. Now, let's go
22:22
Speaker 1: back to the renewable energy debate, and another community is
22:25
Speaker 1: fighting back against Labour's reckless renewables push. The federal government
22:30
Speaker 1: has given the green light to the Palma wind Farm
22:33
Speaker 1: that's fifty kilometers east of Adelaide, the back of the
22:36
Speaker 1: Adelaide Hills near Palma and Tungkillo. Forty turbines up to
22:41
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty meters tall have been approved. Philip Morvil,
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Speaker 1: from the No Palma Wind Farm Community Action Group joins me, Philip,
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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. This has been approved. What are
22:56
Speaker 1: your community's objections and how are you going to stop it?
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Speaker 4: Oh?
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Speaker 10: Thank you for having us Chris. Look, we've had we
23:03
Speaker 10: had a number of concerns about this development. Probably the
23:07
Speaker 10: first and foremost concern to be aware of is that
23:11
Speaker 10: the announcement made by the Prime Minister and Minister Plivasek
23:15
Speaker 10: has actually interfered with the state planning process. The development
23:20
Speaker 10: has not undergone state planning approval yet We've got serious
23:24
Speaker 10: concerns that the announcement made by the Prime Minister about
23:29
Speaker 10: this development has interfered with that process and effectively given
23:33
Speaker 10: it a rubber stamp. We find it very unlikely the
23:37
Speaker 10: Labor State government minister is going to go against his
23:39
Speaker 10: federal counterparts. So we asked the question, as a community,
23:43
Speaker 10: where's the due process, where's our right to have our say?
23:47
Speaker 10: I mean, what's interesting, Chris is our community has been
23:51
Speaker 10: under siege over this development for over a decade now.
23:55
Speaker 10: We've already had a goal at taking Child Renewables to
24:01
Speaker 10: the ERD Court and also onto the Supreme Court in
24:05
Speaker 10: trying to fight this ridiculous development that is essentially in
24:12
Speaker 10: a population area that's way too dense to have this
24:16
Speaker 10: type of development. We estimate there's about seven hundred and
24:21
Speaker 10: seventy households, so over two thousand residents that are going
24:25
Speaker 10: to be within the wind farm's impact zone.
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Speaker 1: So what's your main objection, Philip? Is it the visual amenity?
24:32
Speaker 1: What it does to the environment. I suppose another concern
24:35
Speaker 1: with some of these developments. You're in a really high
24:37
Speaker 1: risk bushfire zone there in the Adelaide Hills, and the
24:40
Speaker 1: Lord help us if one of these turbines catches fire
24:43
Speaker 1: as they have done elsewhere and starts a bushfire.
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Speaker 10: Look, certainly, the firefighting is a major concern. Look, visual
24:55
Speaker 10: amenity is an issue. Destruction of the eastern amount, low derangers,
25:00
Speaker 10: hilled space is a concern. The usual concerns that these
25:05
Speaker 10: sort of developments always bring up, such as the risk
25:08
Speaker 10: to eagles and raptors that we have in this area.
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Speaker 1: But what you need to.
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Speaker 10: Understand, Chris, is these wind turbines are equal to a
25:16
Speaker 10: seventy story building. So to bring some perspective to that,
25:20
Speaker 10: currently the tallest building in Adelaids CBD is one hundred
25:23
Speaker 10: and thirty eight meters high, and they want to put
25:26
Speaker 10: two hundred and twenty meter high wind turbines. The impact
25:30
Speaker 10: that these monstrosities are going to have on the two
25:35
Speaker 10: thousand people that live near these you can't measure it.
25:39
Speaker 10: It's untested technology. This is the tallest wind farm development
25:46
Speaker 10: to date in Australia.
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Speaker 1: It's extraordinary. You're right, Yeah, the Adelaide's CBD. I think
25:50
Speaker 1: the highest building is less than thirty stories and so
25:53
Speaker 1: you're talking about wind turbines almost twice that height. It's
25:57
Speaker 1: just extraordinary. Well, we'll keep in touch with you, Philip,
26:00
Speaker 1: because we're keeping in touch with communities right around the
26:02
Speaker 1: country who are opposing some of these major renewable installations.
26:07
Speaker 1: I appreciate your time. We've got to get to a
26:09
Speaker 1: break coming up. After the break, Gemuton Uni joins me
26:11
Speaker 1: as long as well as Caroline Russo. We'll talk about
26:14
Speaker 1: the youth crime crisis after a nineteen year old motorcyclist
26:18
Speaker 1: was killed by a stolen car allegedly driven by teenagers.
26:27
Speaker 1: Let's bring in Gematon Uni from GT Communications joins me
26:30
Speaker 1: on the desk as it and in Perth. We're joined
26:33
Speaker 1: by a Royal Report host, Caroline derul So. Good to
26:35
Speaker 1: talk to you. Carolin. Let's start on youth crime. This
26:39
Speaker 1: horrible case in Melbourne over the last couple of days
26:42
Speaker 1: where a nineteen year old on a motorbike has been
26:44
Speaker 1: killed by a stolen car, allegedly stolen and driven by teenagers.
26:49
Speaker 1: This sort of thing is becoming so endemic right around
26:53
Speaker 1: the country, particularly Queensland. A lot of the problems with
26:57
Speaker 1: youth crime, and in Melbourne, let's be frank, it's just
27:01
Speaker 1: heartbreaking when innocent people pay such a heavy price.
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Speaker 11: And the community expects better, and the community keeps asking
27:10
Speaker 11: for better policing and we keep not getting it. And
27:15
Speaker 11: this yere is a huge issue. And we've heard the
27:18
Speaker 11: opposition leader in Queensland talk about this generation of an
27:22
Speaker 11: untouchables and it feels a bit that way across the country.
27:25
Speaker 11: It's like if you weren't hugged as a child wall
27:27
Speaker 11: it doesn't matter if you know you commit whatever crime,
27:32
Speaker 11: you're often out on barlor or off without charge. My
27:36
Speaker 11: understanding from reading the report in relation to this particular matter,
27:39
Speaker 11: there were two people in the car. The driver they
27:43
Speaker 11: haven't been able to apprehend yet. The other person in
27:45
Speaker 11: the car was let go without charge pending inquiries. Well,
27:49
Speaker 11: I'm not really sure that the community would think that
27:52
Speaker 11: that there was acceptable. We know that the police probably
27:57
Speaker 11: won't go hard on this one. The core system definitely won't. Frankly,
28:00
Speaker 11: I'd be more worried about the Sicilians.
28:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Now, Jimmy, this is so horrific, right, But
28:07
Speaker 1: it's such a vexed issue. But you're having teenagers sometimes
28:10
Speaker 1: stealing cars, not talking more broadly, getting caught. They're not
28:14
Speaker 1: put into custody. They do literally get a slap on
28:17
Speaker 1: the wrist and they go and reoffend. Now, no one
28:19
Speaker 1: wants to institutionalize kids early, but you can't put that
28:23
Speaker 1: risk about the back out in the community. There's got
28:25
Speaker 1: to be a way of teaching people a lesson and
28:28
Speaker 1: keeping the community safe.
28:29
Speaker 12: Well, it's like a systemic breakdown over a number of years,
28:32
Speaker 12: and these things that we're talking about, whether it's youth
28:34
Speaker 12: crime or the fall and standards of education and all
28:38
Speaker 12: of these things that people are all of a sudden
28:40
Speaker 12: waking up and going, well, it's terrible because you know
28:43
Speaker 12: the standard of teachers who are graduating, for example, from
28:46
Speaker 12: universities in the toilet all of this stuff. It hasn't
28:49
Speaker 12: happened overnight. It's been a systemic failure over many, many,
28:52
Speaker 12: many years, and there's no swift way to turn it around.
28:57
Speaker 12: But you have to start somewhere. And the logical step
28:59
Speaker 12: is to provide and furnish these cases with consequences. If
29:05
Speaker 12: there was a reason to think twice, then there would
29:08
Speaker 12: be it's action and reaction, right, So giving a potential
29:13
Speaker 12: offenders first of all, a reason to think twice about
29:16
Speaker 12: doing it, but also looking at what's happening to those
29:18
Speaker 12: who go into the system, focusing on true rehabilitation, like
29:24
Speaker 12: it's not a simple problem, but this did not happen
29:27
Speaker 12: like that.
29:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you've got to break the cycle too, because
29:29
Speaker 1: when they don't go into cash, so they come back
29:31
Speaker 1: to their mates and their heroes, and it encourages everyone
29:33
Speaker 1: to go down that pathway totally.
29:35
Speaker 12: And I don't please, don't write me letters, write them decrease.
29:38
Speaker 12: But I do think there is a place for optional
29:41
Speaker 12: you know, let's call it military service boot camp, that
29:44
Speaker 12: sort of stuff. There are so many examples around the
29:46
Speaker 12: world where that as an option has had extraordinary positive results,
29:51
Speaker 12: And I don't know why we're so afraid of that
29:52
Speaker 12: in this country.
29:53
Speaker 1: Now, I've got to ask you, sitting here in New
29:55
Speaker 1: South Wales with a former Treasurer of New South Wales,
29:57
Speaker 1: Matt King, former Liberal treasure He got that well paid
30:02
Speaker 1: job from the Labor government to push the renewable energy agenda.
30:06
Speaker 1: Now he's taking a cozy gig with a private investment
30:09
Speaker 1: mob in the same area. I just follow the money
30:12
Speaker 1: when it comes to renewables, isn't it.
30:14
Speaker 12: Well it seems to be that way. I mean, I
30:15
Speaker 12: mean from I don't know mister Kean, I've never met him.
30:18
Speaker 12: I'm politically not a fan at all, but that's.
30:20
Speaker 8: By the bye.
30:21
Speaker 12: When I looked at that story today, the first question
30:23
Speaker 12: I thought, and maybe you've got an answer for me.
30:25
Speaker 12: It seems to me like, is that not some sort
30:27
Speaker 12: of area of conflict here you would have to I mean,
30:30
Speaker 12: obviously it's declared the whole world not the whole.
30:31
Speaker 1: World now, it must have been approved by the government.
30:33
Speaker 1: But it's so weird you're running the renewable transition in
30:36
Speaker 1: a way at the same time you're advising.
30:38
Speaker 12: You ring fence those things from one another. I'm sure
30:41
Speaker 12: there are processes in place. There would have to be
30:42
Speaker 12: reputable companies and all that sort of stuff, But look,
30:45
Speaker 12: I just think, yeah, I don't know as you know,
30:49
Speaker 12: I have for not much longer an electric vehicle breaking.
30:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a testla going cheap, going.
30:56
Speaker 13: Cheap, But I don't I don't, you know.
30:59
Speaker 12: I think it'll be interesting to see what that environment
31:02
Speaker 12: looks like in.
31:02
Speaker 1: The next trop See. Now I want to go to
31:04
Speaker 1: US politics. We can't wait any longer. Joe Biden's done
31:08
Speaker 1: one interview. Now the President's done an interview. He hasn't
31:11
Speaker 1: done one for a long while, has one more than
31:13
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris is done in recent weeks. But it was
31:16
Speaker 1: pretty interesting to hear the president here talking about for
31:19
Speaker 1: the first time publicly about how he was convinced to
31:23
Speaker 1: not recontest the presidential election.
31:27
Speaker 14: A number of my Democratic colleagues and the House of
31:31
Speaker 14: Senate thought that I was going to hurt them in
31:34
Speaker 14: the racist and I was concerned if I stayed in
31:38
Speaker 14: the race, that would be the topic you be interviewing
31:42
Speaker 14: him about. Why did Nancy Pelosi say? Why did some
31:46
Speaker 14: And I thought it'd be a real distraction. It's a
31:49
Speaker 14: great honor being president. I think I'm an obligation to
31:52
Speaker 14: the country to do what I the most important thing
31:55
Speaker 14: to can do, and that is we must We must
31:57
Speaker 14: we must defeat Trump.
32:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was pretty honest. I reckon Karro. He's basically
32:03
Speaker 1: saying the party every weight's told him, mate, you're a loser.
32:06
Speaker 1: We need you not to run again if we've got
32:08
Speaker 1: any chance of defeating Trump. Yeah.
32:12
Speaker 11: Absolutely, And I was a little bit shocked to hear
32:15
Speaker 11: it myself. That was probably more honesty than I was expecting.
32:19
Speaker 11: But equally at the same time, he says what other
32:23
Speaker 11: people said to him, but not so much what he
32:26
Speaker 11: necessarily thought about what they had to say.
32:29
Speaker 10: Right, So.
32:31
Speaker 1: You get that obviously.
32:34
Speaker 11: That view of his colleagues, But did he actually agree
32:37
Speaker 11: with that view or did he just get to the
32:39
Speaker 11: point where he felt so railroaded into a decision. I mean,
32:42
Speaker 11: that's the bit that he leaves out there and which
32:44
Speaker 11: I actually think is probably critical to that piece. Look,
32:49
Speaker 11: it has been absolutely fascinating to watch, and particularly obviously
32:54
Speaker 11: with Biden having withdrawn from the race, all of us.
32:58
Speaker 11: I mean, the man is still president.
33:00
Speaker 1: We are hardly hearing from him exactly.
33:02
Speaker 11: He has already quiet literally been put out to pasture.
33:05
Speaker 1: It's like he doesn't exist and all of a sudden.
33:09
Speaker 11: Kamala Harris is a Rhodes scholar it's been a fabulous
33:12
Speaker 11: a few weeks.
33:12
Speaker 1: It's been extraordinary. Christ, it is extraordinary. We wonder how
33:15
Speaker 1: long it lasts. I mean, I think the bottom line
33:17
Speaker 1: is he lost that argument about whether he should stay on,
33:20
Speaker 1: and that's the point. He's not capable of winning any arguments.
33:23
Speaker 1: Talk about honesty. Here's some dishonesty, in my view from
33:27
Speaker 1: Biden talking about whether he's up for being president till January.
33:32
Speaker 5: I could say his.
33:33
Speaker 1: Wife that's oh.
33:34
Speaker 14: Look, I had a really really bad day in that
33:37
Speaker 14: to be because I was sick, but I have no
33:41
Speaker 14: serious problem. I was talking to Governor Shapiro, who's a friend.
33:47
Speaker 14: We have to win Pennsylvania, my original homestead. He and
33:51
Speaker 14: I are putting together a campaign tour in Pennsylvania. I'm
33:54
Speaker 14: going to be campaigning other states as well, and I'm
33:56
Speaker 14: going to do whatever and come on, thinks I can
33:58
Speaker 14: do to help most.
34:00
Speaker 1: Not much honesty there, Jimmy he reckons he's going to
34:03
Speaker 1: help them win Pennsylvania. He's going, all right, just watch.
34:05
Speaker 12: Me, do you know genuinely that I find that really
34:08
Speaker 12: hard to watch because he reminds me of my late
34:10
Speaker 12: father in the last months of his life. His voice
34:12
Speaker 12: is very very.
34:14
Speaker 1: Like it's a pale voice.
34:15
Speaker 12: I know that might sound like a strange descriptor, but
34:19
Speaker 12: he reminds me so much of Dad in the last
34:21
Speaker 12: six months of his life. I cannot believe that this
34:23
Speaker 12: is what it's come to. He's clearly not well, he's
34:26
Speaker 12: clearly not physically well, and he's clearly not mentally competent.
34:29
Speaker 12: So I don't understand I except for absolute power corrupts
34:32
Speaker 12: absolutely and this is an example of that.
34:34
Speaker 1: He is not up to the job. But it does
34:36
Speaker 1: mean there's essentially a leadership vacuum there in the US.
34:38
Speaker 1: He's running the country. Well, there's a campaign going on,
34:40
Speaker 1: there's a vacuum. It's a shocker. Now I want to
34:43
Speaker 1: get to finish up on matters Royal Caroline. There's a
34:46
Speaker 1: lot of fuss over a picture of Prince William. He's
34:49
Speaker 1: the next one. He's going to be the next King
34:51
Speaker 1: of Australia. But have a look at this. There's a
34:53
Speaker 1: picture of him sporting a beard, is what everyone's saying.
34:56
Speaker 1: It doesn't look like a bear to me. It just
34:58
Speaker 1: looks like hasn't shaved for a couple of days. Carrot, Yeah,
35:03
Speaker 1: that's it.
35:04
Speaker 11: He's on holidays. He's on holidays. Give the bloke break.
35:08
Speaker 11: Yet he's most definitely.
35:09
Speaker 1: Not let me interrupt from out there. It is there. Yeah,
35:13
Speaker 1: I expecting it wants to show people the beard, but
35:16
Speaker 1: apparently there's there's a grap We've got him talking and
35:18
Speaker 1: we can see and hear the beard. Here we go.
35:21
Speaker 1: Greening's love words from all of us watching at home.
35:24
Speaker 12: Congratulations to team GB We know you've.
35:27
Speaker 1: Achieved from the inspiration to assault. Yeah, well but it's
35:32
Speaker 1: not a beard. He's just slept in asn't it, Caroline.
35:36
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's just it's just three or four days on holidays.
35:40
Speaker 11: You know when you're when you're taking it easy, you
35:43
Speaker 11: haven't washed your hair, and you think, oh, I better
35:46
Speaker 11: jump on and do a pre record and thank these
35:48
Speaker 11: Olympic athletes.
35:49
Speaker 9: He'sn't trying too hard, you know what.
35:51
Speaker 1: That's okay. What you ever gives him the vote?
35:53
Speaker 12: I would say, God save the King, and I would
35:56
Speaker 12: say I like the beard twelve out of ten.
36:00
Speaker 10: Pow.
36:01
Speaker 1: He's just doing what there. When you lose the hair
36:03
Speaker 1: up here, you gotta go up bit under here. Thanks
36:05
Speaker 1: for joining us, Jematoni and Carol Andrea. So we'll catch
36:07
Speaker 1: you next week. Now after the breaking to catch up
36:09
Speaker 1: with Paul Murray, you will talk News poll. Also, I'm
36:12
Speaker 1: going to talk about a former Labor senator, Fatima Payment.
36:14
Speaker 1: She's launched an extraordinary broadside against her old party a
36:19
Speaker 1: special Sky News investigation. Now, I spoke earlier about the
36:26
Speaker 1: week approach from Asio when it comes to immigrants who
36:29
Speaker 1: support Hummas and the alb and easy Labor government has
36:32
Speaker 1: been weak on Israel and week on anti Semitism because
36:35
Speaker 1: it's trying to appeal to the Muslim vote in some
36:38
Speaker 1: key electorates. Now, former Labor senator turned independent, Fatima Payment
36:43
Speaker 1: has launched an extraordinary broadside against her former party, accusing
36:47
Speaker 1: it of using her as a diversity box tit box
36:50
Speaker 1: tick to help get elected into government investigations. Reporter Jonathan
36:55
Speaker 1: Lee spoke with Senator Payment exclusively for his special Sky
36:59
Speaker 1: News and investigation Clash of Faiths, the Fight for Muslim
37:03
Speaker 1: Votes that's airing tomorrow night here on Sky at nine
37:06
Speaker 1: thirty pm, and JOHNA joins me at the desk. Mate,
37:09
Speaker 1: this is extraordinary for her to come lashing out in
37:13
Speaker 1: this way. You've spoke to her earlier in the last
37:15
Speaker 1: couple of days. Tell us about it. Absolutely.
37:17
Speaker 13: I've got to say the last few weeks I have
37:18
Speaker 13: actually felt a bit more like an election campaign in
37:20
Speaker 13: terms of those we've spoken to right across the country.
37:23
Speaker 13: We traveled to Perth over the weekend to speak with
37:25
Speaker 13: Senator Payment exclusively, and she made it very clear that
37:28
Speaker 13: she felt that she had been used effectively as a
37:30
Speaker 13: box ticking operation, that the Labor Party was happy to
37:33
Speaker 13: bring her on board, but didn't want to listen to
37:35
Speaker 13: her opinions when it came to Gaza, and not just
37:38
Speaker 13: that that they actively silenced her and really took away
37:42
Speaker 13: her agency.
37:43
Speaker 1: Have you listen to what you had to say to us?
37:46
Speaker 5: Every move, every interaction, every event I went to, every
37:50
Speaker 5: speech I delivered was controlled, was reviewed. I was told
37:55
Speaker 5: what to say, what not to say, And there comes
37:58
Speaker 5: a point where you lose your age and see as
38:01
Speaker 5: an individual and you wonder what am I doing here?
38:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough for Labor to hear that. There'll be
38:07
Speaker 1: ramifications from that. She's also accused the government of abanning
38:10
Speaker 1: its platform and principles. John.
38:13
Speaker 13: She made it very clear when she talked about her
38:15
Speaker 13: integrity and the reason she did it, crossing the floor,
38:18
Speaker 13: going against carcass solidarity. That it was something which was
38:21
Speaker 13: extraordinarily difficult for her, but she did it on principle.
38:25
Speaker 13: She made it very clear in the interview we had
38:26
Speaker 13: with her over the weekend that she feels voters have
38:29
Speaker 13: been fundamentally let down by those who were brought into
38:32
Speaker 13: the party on the belief that Labor would recognize Palestine
38:36
Speaker 13: as an independent state, not just work for a two
38:38
Speaker 13: state solution, but actively recognize Palestine. It's the reason she
38:42
Speaker 13: crossed the floor, and she now says voters have been betrayed.
38:47
Speaker 5: I'd probably say that I didn't expect the Labor Party
38:53
Speaker 5: to not follow its own platform. I've been hearing from
38:58
Speaker 5: people underground that they do. You'l betrayed that it wasn't
39:02
Speaker 5: me who crossed the floor. It was the rest of
39:04
Speaker 5: my caucus members in the Senate who crossed the floor
39:08
Speaker 5: to the wrong side.
39:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is going to have big gratifications good many
39:13
Speaker 1: on the Labor left who agree with that point of view.
39:16
Speaker 1: So she's not just a lone wolf, even though she's
39:19
Speaker 1: outside the party. And Jonathan, you've also spoken to some
39:22
Speaker 1: Muslim fundamentalists in the community.
39:25
Speaker 13: I want to make the point, Chris, that I haven't
39:26
Speaker 13: experienced a level of anger out there in the community.
39:29
Speaker 13: Like I've said this story, people are fuming with rage.
39:32
Speaker 13: They want action. They've seen babies on their phones, have
39:36
Speaker 13: been pulled from rubble. They know who they want to blame,
39:39
Speaker 13: rightly or wrongly, but their anger is acute. And we
39:42
Speaker 13: spoke with a fundamentalist preacher who has given us his
39:46
Speaker 13: take on the reason why Muslims should not be involved
39:50
Speaker 13: in democracy. It's a split within the faith itself, and
39:54
Speaker 13: it goes to the heart of the migrant vote, whether
39:57
Speaker 13: they listen to it or not.
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Speaker 3: So all these verses that we bring together showing us
40:03
Speaker 3: that legislation belongs solely to God, a lot of himself
40:07
Speaker 3: has said that Mussom should not be involved in any
40:10
Speaker 3: system of a being democracy otherwise.
40:13
Speaker 13: So only Allah in your faith has the right to
40:16
Speaker 13: tell people what to do.
40:18
Speaker 3: Correct.
40:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that is almost extremest point of view where
40:24
Speaker 1: our democracy plays second to religious fundamental is to beliefs. Jonathan,
40:29
Speaker 1: I think I mentioned your seven o'clock tomorrow night, seven
40:32
Speaker 1: thirty tomorrow night of course here on Sky News, and
40:35
Speaker 1: you're going to have to include in that development on
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Speaker 1: this issue that's happening tomorrow where doctor bass Uni is
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Speaker 1: going to run as an independent in Watson against Labor
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Speaker 1: front bench at Tony Burke. So you'll be busy putting
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Speaker 1: the finishing touches on this right up for seven thirty
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Speaker 1: tomorrow night. I won't be getting on a plane for
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Speaker 1: a while. Thanks Jonathan Lee. Don't you forget to watch
40:54
Speaker 1: that Sky News investigation Clash of Faiths the fight for
40:58
Speaker 1: Muslim votes tomorrow night. Here on Guy at seven thirty pm.
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Speaker 1: Now I want to go to News poll with Paul
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Speaker 1: Murray just before he joins me on set. Let's have
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Speaker 1: a look at what's unfolded today.
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Speaker 15: Labour's primary vote has decreased to thirty two percent, while
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Speaker 15: support for the Coalition has increased to thirty nine. The
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Speaker 15: major parties are tired fifty to fifty on two. Party
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Speaker 15: preferred voters maintain Anthony Albanezi is the better Prime Minister
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Speaker 15: than Peter Dudden at forty six to thirty nine.
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Speaker 6: Every time a pole comes out, there's always another angle
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Speaker 6: that people will focus on. What we certainly have as
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Speaker 6: a government been focused on. It's making sure we help
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Speaker 6: people with their cost of living relief.
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Speaker 4: Australians have woken up to the fact that this government
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Speaker 4: is not doing what it needs to do to make
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Speaker 4: them better off, to make more money, put put more
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Speaker 4: money back in their pocket in a sustainable way, and
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Speaker 4: to improve their standard of living, in their quality of life.
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Speaker 1: We will see the great man. Paul Murray joins me
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Speaker 1: on the desk.
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Speaker 5: Mate.
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Speaker 1: It's only fifty to fifty two party preferred, but it's
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Speaker 1: Labour's primary vote. Going backwards from the last election, the
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Speaker 1: Libs starting to get to the number that could win
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Speaker 1: them government. They get anything. There are at thirty nine
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Speaker 1: now over forty on a primary vote would make that
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Speaker 1: sort of that could just about win the election. So
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Speaker 1: stuff's getting real. Well, absolutely, thank you for it.
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Speaker 16: As always a very kind introduction. The big as risk
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Speaker 16: scaltors always is what's happening in the tail seats because
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Speaker 16: mathematically say that, because there are people who are half
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Speaker 16: watching and getting ready to run off to the umpire
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Speaker 16: about our conversation. But at some point people have to
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Speaker 16: realize how close this is getting and how the conversation
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Speaker 16: is nowhere near majority government. It's all about minority government,
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Speaker 16: and as you've been talking about quite correctly, potentially something
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Speaker 16: much more dramatic. Can I also throw In the data
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Speaker 16: that came via the Channel nine newspapers and the Resolve poll,
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Speaker 16: fifty one percent of Australians believe the Prime min is
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Speaker 16: doing a poor or very poor job now they are
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Speaker 16: behind on the economy. The economy remains the number one issue.
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Speaker 16: They have thrown everything they can added from centerpiece of
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Speaker 16: budget the period of time between January and the budget
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Speaker 16: in and around cost of living, and the reality is
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Speaker 16: they haven't moved the needle.
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Speaker 1: See this is the point i'd have a look at
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Speaker 1: poles just in isolation, right, You've got to use that
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Speaker 1: as data that feeds into your assessments. And they have
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Speaker 1: thrown the reconfigured tax cuts of people, They've thrown in
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Speaker 1: the energy rebates, they've been giving people pay rises, They've
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Speaker 1: been thrown everything at it and they're not going anywhere.
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Speaker 1: And the assessment is a rational assessment. Things could change
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Speaker 1: for them, but there's a lot of intelligence would suggest
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Speaker 1: things will get bad, things will get worse for them
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Speaker 1: over the next six months. So they must be very,
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Speaker 1: very worried.
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Speaker 16: Well, can I give a shout out to a pretty
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Speaker 16: regular segment I think Laura Jays does each and every
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Speaker 16: week where she has a chat to the people from Redbridge.
43:43
Speaker 16: Now remember having part of these red Bridge people are
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Speaker 16: informing the teals about politics and last year they were
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Speaker 16: talking about just before the end of last year that
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Speaker 16: what was about to become concrete in the Australian psyche
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Speaker 16: was incompetence in this government. So if you put that
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Speaker 16: together with underperformance, broken promises and the gas lighting.
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Speaker 1: That goes on every day, then are they.
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Speaker 16: Going to get into a place where people stop listening?
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Speaker 16: Also interesting to notice all those people in the media
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Speaker 16: that are frankly panicking and offering free advice. They wouldn't
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Speaker 16: be doing that if everything was okay.
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Speaker 1: Bottom line is there's enough concern and doubt about the
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Speaker 1: government and if Peter Dutt then the Coalition could convince
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Speaker 1: people that they're the alternative. It is game on. Well,
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Speaker 1: and that's the.
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Speaker 16: Thing I mean, I'm always informed by politics around the
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Speaker 16: world as well. Remember the Red Wave, the red wave
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Speaker 16: of the Red Wave. The Republicans in last in twenty
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Speaker 16: two were great at saying what the problem was. You've
44:38
Speaker 16: got to start to offer solutions. Until somebody thinks you
44:40
Speaker 16: are part of the solution, then they will stick with
44:43
Speaker 16: the devil that they know the opposition must do better
44:45
Speaker 16: in their questions today as we're all over the shop.
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Speaker 16: Hit them hard, straight direct and then watch their lack
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Speaker 16: of answer and that's what the people will see.
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Speaker 1: Good stuff, Paul, love it. Thanks for joining us. See
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Speaker 1: at nine o'clock. Paul will be back at nine o'clock
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Speaker 1: with Paul Murray Live. We're going to take a break
44:59
Speaker 1: on the other side of that. Sophie orl's Worth joins
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Speaker 1: me as ever on media issues and the ABC stuff.
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Speaker 1: They don't want to leave the middle of town. They
45:07
Speaker 1: go away. It's got to Melbourne and catch up with
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Speaker 1: a media writer for The Australian. Sophiel's Worth. Good to
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Speaker 1: talk to you as ever, Sophie. On couple items I
45:18
Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on when it comes to
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Speaker 1: the ABC. What is this yarn that's popped up where
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Speaker 1: the chairman of the ABC, Kim Williams, has done a
45:26
Speaker 1: cozy chat at the I think the Nooser Writers' Festival
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Speaker 1: or the Byron Writers Festival with Carry O'Brien and he
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Speaker 1: said that the ABC should be the last broadcaster standing.
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Speaker 1: I mean, does that mean he wants to use his
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Speaker 1: one point one billion dollars of annual taxpayer funding to
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Speaker 1: kill the rest of broadcasting. What's on about that? Well?
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Speaker 17: I think it their interesting comments, Chris, because it would
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Speaker 17: be probably the last broadcast standing if it goes on
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Speaker 17: the basis of the fund that is received, because as
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Speaker 17: we know, they receive a billion dollars of our taxpayer
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Speaker 17: funds every year. But they are interesting remarks, and of
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Speaker 17: course we know, Chris, that the ABC does not have
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Speaker 17: the challenges that commercial outlets have battling the economic headwinds
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Speaker 17: and the advertising downfalls. They are immune to that because
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Speaker 17: they get this money regardless.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they should stick to broadcasting and stop
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Speaker 1: wasting our money on all their advertising and on all
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Speaker 1: their Instagram and digital media stuff. They're supposed to be
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Speaker 1: a broadcaster and they've strayed far and wide from that.
46:39
Speaker 1: We've talked before about this move to get some of
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Speaker 1: the people from ABC headquarters in Sydney's ultimow in a
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Speaker 1: city location get them to work out of Paramatter. The
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Speaker 1: idea behind this is that the make it easier for
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Speaker 1: the ABC to employ staff who live in suburban areas
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Speaker 1: and are more connected with their community. But most of
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Speaker 1: them don't want to work out there. I think Paramatter
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Speaker 1: twenty k's west of the city center is too far
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Speaker 1: from inner city Sydney for them.
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Speaker 17: Well that's the case, Chris. We had a story James
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Speaker 17: Madden and I in The Australian Today showing there's a
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Speaker 17: lot of grumbling among staff who have been told they
47:17
Speaker 17: must pack up their desks and head to Paramatta and
47:20
Speaker 17: work from there. Now is about a twenty five minute
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Speaker 17: train ride from the city in Sydney. It's really not
47:27
Speaker 17: that far, but there's quite a few people pretty annoyed
47:31
Speaker 17: about it, and a lot of talk about the Drive
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Speaker 17: host on ABC Sydney, Richard Glover, who recently wrote a
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Speaker 17: column in Nine's Papers complaining about modern workplaces. And someone
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Speaker 17: described this to me as like a de facto complaint
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Speaker 17: to the ABC that he made in this newspaper about
47:52
Speaker 17: having to work at Paramatta. Now, I asked mister Glover questions.
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Speaker 17: He didn't respond. But there are people, Chris, that don't
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Speaker 17: want to be there, They want to be in town.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we perish the thought some of them might bump
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Speaker 1: into people who don't vote for the Greens or something.
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Speaker 1: I suppose it's a problem of kind of indicative. It
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Speaker 1: proves the point of why they need to try and
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Speaker 1: decentralize a bit. We haven't got much time left, but
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Speaker 1: i'd love to get your thoughts on what's happening at
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Speaker 1: Channel seven, Sophie. They're in a world of pain with
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Speaker 1: scrutiny over their culture, which they admit was a problem,
48:21
Speaker 1: and also a court case from a former reporter.
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Speaker 17: That's right, Chris, and tonight four corners are looking at
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Speaker 17: the conduct of Channel seven. I had a story today
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Speaker 17: Robert o'vardiers taking legal action in the federal court one
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Speaker 17: of their senior reporters after he was sacked. They're definitely
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Speaker 17: in a world of pain, but let's not forget so
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Speaker 17: to their rival Broadcast to nine, who are also under
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Speaker 17: investigation for allegations of misconduct at their network.
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Speaker 1: Also, yeah, it's going to be interesting to watch. Thanks
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Speaker 1: so much for joining us, Sophie. I appreciate it, Sophie Ellsworth.
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Speaker 1: You and read all the stuff in the Australian newspaper
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Speaker 1: I do. We're going to a dinner with a bunch
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Speaker 1: of Channel seven people many years ago with Louise Milligan
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Speaker 1: and Robert Avadia. First time I met both of them
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Speaker 1: at the same dinner. They know Seven very well and
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Speaker 1: now they're problems for that network. We'll see what transpires.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. I will be back tomorrow night
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Speaker 1: at five o'clock. In the meantime, here's Peter