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Republicans Beg Trump to Be New Person · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 1: On today's show, Donald Trump holds another absolute banger of
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  Speaker 1: a press conference while Kamala Harris and Joe Biden... Hold
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  Speaker 1: their first joint event since the president left the race.
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  Speaker 1: Big announcement about lower drug prices. And later, RFK Jr.
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  Speaker 1: was apparently willing to drop out of the race if
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  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris offered him a job. But first, there is
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  Speaker 1: one topic that Republicans are focusing on the last couple days,
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  Speaker 1: and it's not Kamala Harris or the economy or even immigration.
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  Speaker 1: It's this.
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  Speaker 3: Quit whining about her. The campaign is not going to
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  Speaker 3: win talking about crowd sizes. It's not going to win
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  Speaker 3: talking about what race Kamala Harris is. It's not going
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  Speaker 3: to win talking about whether she's dumb.
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  Speaker 4: I will say that in that discussion with Elon, to me,
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  Speaker 4: he seemed quite rambling. I mean, it was like he rambles.
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  Speaker 1: He goes on.
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  Speaker 4: Too long at his rallies and in these exchanges and
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  Speaker 4: at his presser the other day to where you get
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  Speaker 4: kind of bored, you lose the thread, you lose interest.
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  Speaker 1: The winning formula for President Trump is very plain to see.
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  Speaker 2: It's fewer insults, more insights, and that policy contrast. It's
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  Speaker 2: insane to attack.
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  Speaker 5: Kamala Harris personally when, in fact, the attacks on her
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  Speaker 5: actual policy statements will be much more devastating.
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  Speaker 1: So that was Nikki Haley, Megyn Kelly, Kellyanne Conway, and
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  Speaker 1: Peter Navarro.
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  Speaker 2: Fresh from prison to the podcast studio.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was guest hosting for Steve Bannon on The
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  Speaker 1: War Room. I guess Tommy wasn't available.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they record the same time as Pod Save the World,
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  Speaker 2: so Tommy's never available for the gig of his dreams.
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  Speaker 2: Peter Navarro went to prison for Trump and now is
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  Speaker 2: criticizing his campaign strategy. Like, Maybe you should take what
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  Speaker 2: he has to say a little bit seriously. No rhino there.
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  Speaker 1: So Republicans are once again nervous that Trump's lack of
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  Speaker 1: discipline and obsession with petty grievances, aka his personality, might
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  Speaker 1: cost him a race. He was favored to win just
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  Speaker 1: a month ago. So his campaign tried to send the
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  Speaker 1: old man out to talk about the economy. in what
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  Speaker 1: was billed as a major policy speech in North Carolina
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  Speaker 1: this week. Let's listen to how that went.
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  Speaker 6: We're talking about a thing called the economy. They wanted
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  Speaker 6: to do a speech on the economy. A lot of
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  Speaker 6: people are very devastated by what's happened with inflation and
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  Speaker 6: all of the other things. So we're doing this as
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  Speaker 6: an intellectual speech. We're all intellectuals today. Today we're going
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  Speaker 6: to talk about one subject, and then we'll start going
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  Speaker 6: back to the other because we sort of love that,
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  Speaker 6: don't we? But it's an important, no, it's an important,
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  Speaker 6: they say it's the.
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  Speaker 2: Most important subject.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not sure it is, but they say it's the
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  Speaker 6: most important.
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  Speaker 1: Spoiler, he did not talk about the economy in that
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  Speaker 1: economic policy speech. He ended up just going on. He
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  Speaker 1: did his usual STEM speech, rambling. He did his tampon
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  Speaker 1: Tim thing. He's yelling about Kamala Harris. It was just
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  Speaker 1: a complete mess. So then Trump's advisors somehow convinced him
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  Speaker 1: to shuffle out of another one of his golf clubs.
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  Speaker 1: today for a redo on economic messaging. Let's see how
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  Speaker 1: that went.
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  Speaker 6: She's running on the Maduro plan. We call it the
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  Speaker 6: Maduro plan, like something straight out of Venezuela or the
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  Speaker 6: Soviet Union. She wants to change a free enterprise type
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  Speaker 6: country into a communist type country. That's what she knows.
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  Speaker 2: Ideas and Joe Biden too.
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  Speaker 6: I mentioned him, but he's sort of gonzo. But you're
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  Speaker 6: allowed to rob a store as long as it's not
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  Speaker 6: more than $ 950.
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  Speaker 2: Has everyone ever heard of that?
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  Speaker 6: You can rob a store and you have thieves going
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  Speaker 6: into stores with calculators calculating how much it is. Because
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  Speaker 6: if it's less than $ 950, they can rob it and
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  Speaker 6: not get charged.
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  Speaker 2: That was her.
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  Speaker 6: I think I'm entitled to personal attacks. I don't have
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  Speaker 6: a lot of respect for her. I don't have a
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  Speaker 6: lot of respect for her intelligence. And I think she'll
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  Speaker 6: be a terrible president.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's.
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  Speaker 2: Very important that we win.
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  Speaker 6: And whether the personal attacks are good, bad, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: she certainly attacks me personally. She actually called me weird.
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  Speaker 6: He's weird. And by the way, I'm a big fan
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  Speaker 6: of electricity.
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  Speaker 1: It was nearly two hours, this press conference. He walks
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  Speaker 1: out of Bedminster in New Jersey, his country club there.
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  Speaker 1: And he's surrounded by tables with... cereal and other products
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  Speaker 1: because they wanted to do like an inflation event, a
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  Speaker 1: high prices event. And he walks out, he sort of
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  Speaker 1: sticks to the script for a little while. He seems
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  Speaker 1: just terribly bored reading what his advisors wanted him to say.
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  Speaker 1: He's doing like, he's just reading off statistics about the economy.
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  Speaker 1: This price is up 30%, blah, blah, blah, done those things.
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  Speaker 1: Then he goes and starts taking questions and just all
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  Speaker 1: bets are off as per usual. He was talking about,
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  Speaker 1: he was criticizing Hillary Clinton at one point. And like
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  Speaker 1: talking about how she should feel lucky that he never
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  Speaker 1: threw her in jail and he never really wanted to
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  Speaker 1: throw her in jail. And then he went back to
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  Speaker 1: the bleach bit. He's playing the old hits now. She's
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  Speaker 1: banging her Blackberry around and burning the emails. And it
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  Speaker 1: was wild. What did you think? Favorite moments?
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  Speaker 2: I just want to start with the premise here that
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  Speaker 2: they held an event that To highlight the high cost
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  Speaker 2: of living at a golf club where it costs a
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  Speaker 2: half a million dollars to join.
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  Speaker 1: You don't think that's a good setting?
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  Speaker 2: It's truly one of the fucking stupidest things I've ever
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  Speaker 2: seen a campaign do in my life. It's because he's
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  Speaker 2: too lazy to go do it at a grocery store.
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  Speaker 2: There's clearly a grocery store pretty close because they went
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  Speaker 2: and bought all the groceries. And this is a small
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  Speaker 2: thing that only people like us care about. But they
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  Speaker 2: set almost all the groceries up so they weren't in
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  Speaker 2: the camera shot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just like him and a random box
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  Speaker 1: of honey bunches of oats next to him.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, there was Cheerios, three coffees, and some meat just sitting,
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  Speaker 2: baking in the sun there for two hours. And they
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  Speaker 2: had all these signs that apparently had the increase, like
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  Speaker 2: an egg cost or something over the course of the
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  Speaker 2: Biden-Harris administration. No one saw any of that. All they
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  Speaker 2: saw was three tubs of coffee, some rotting meat, and
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  Speaker 2: his golf club in the background. I mean, just... Insane.
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  Speaker 2: A truly insane thing for a campaign to do. Like
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  Speaker 2: blown away by how stupid it was.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's very funny that that clip that we
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  Speaker 1: played of Republicans giving him advice. They're like, Kellyanne Conway's like,
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  Speaker 1: don't go with the personal insults. Talk about policy. And
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  Speaker 1: Nikki Haley's like, stop complaining about her. And then you
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  Speaker 1: heard there at the press conference, he's like, I'm entitled
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  Speaker 1: to my personal attacks on Kamala Harris. He just goes
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  Speaker 1: right into it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's in response to a question that was asked
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  Speaker 2: by a CNN reporter, essentially about the argument of Nikki
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  Speaker 2: Haley and others have made about the personal attacks. And
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  Speaker 2: apparently that's something a lot of Republicans have been saying
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  Speaker 2: on the Hill. And he then answered that with a
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  Speaker 2: 10 minute tirade of personal attacks on people.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't, I... I came into the studio to interview
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  Speaker 1: our friend David Plouffe, who's now in the Harris campaign.
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  Speaker 1: Tune into The Wilderness this Sunday at the finale. I
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  Speaker 1: got a great conversation with Plouffe. And I came out
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  Speaker 1: and he's like still giving that answer. It was wild.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I can't believe he's, I'm like, John
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  Speaker 1: and Tommy. I was like, what's going on? What did
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  Speaker 1: I miss? He's still talking. He's still giving this answer.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes I do the thing where I wait till it's
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  Speaker 2: over and then I watch Trump at, you know, 1.75
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  Speaker 2: speed to prepare for this podcast or whatever else I'm doing.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, what was that? Was that one 30
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  Speaker 2: hour time of day? We're recording it three hour time. Like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to sit in front of the
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  Speaker 2: TV and I'm going to watch it. And I watched
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  Speaker 2: it and I watched it and I watched it. And
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  Speaker 2: my kids came home from school and I'm still watching it.
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  Speaker 2: It's just, I mean, is it, did he actually stop?
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  Speaker 2: I had to leave my house to come to my
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  Speaker 2: office to walk.
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  Speaker 1: Right before I came in here, he was about to leave.
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  Speaker 1: And then they had one more shouted question. Do you
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  Speaker 1: wish you hadn't debated Joe Biden?
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  Speaker 2: He did a whole, that was the thing he was
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  Speaker 2: most passionate about in the opening remarks. He went on
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  Speaker 2: a little tangent about how he did too good in
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  Speaker 2: the debate by taking Joe Biden out. And maybe that
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  Speaker 2: was a mistake.
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  Speaker 1: He did. He did circle back to that. One thing
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  Speaker 1: I noticed is that like, even last time he did
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  Speaker 1: a press conference, I was kind of like, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: can't believe we have to watch this. But you know what?
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  Speaker 1: He always says some crazy shit. It'll be fun. We'll
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  Speaker 1: have some good content to talk about on Pod Save America.
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  Speaker 1: Like this one, We were just sitting there and he's
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  Speaker 1: going and going. I'm like, he's so boring. It's like
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  Speaker 1: what Megyn Kelly was saying, right? Where he just like,
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  Speaker 1: he rambles on and on and on and you lose interest.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just like, if it is not your job
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  Speaker 1: to watch Donald Trump like it is ours. Wonderful, wonderful job.
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  Speaker 2: What a series of mistakes have found us in this place.
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  Speaker 1: Why would you, I don't know why you'd watch that.
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  Speaker 1: Even if you like Donald Trump, I don't know why
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  Speaker 1: you'd watch that. It was so fucking boring.
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  Speaker 2: It's not easy to watch either. CNN cut him off
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  Speaker 2: like 20 minutes into the opening remarks and came back
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  Speaker 2: for the questions.
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  Speaker 1: So we all tend to think that the rambling, the incoherence,
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  Speaker 1: the two-hour press conferences, it's not really helping with persuadable voters,
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  Speaker 1: not really helping with much. But it does keep him
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  Speaker 1: in the news cycle. He is in the news cycle
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  Speaker 1: more than he has been. Now, in the the Biden-Trump race,
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  Speaker 1: the theory was the more Trump, the better, because then
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  Speaker 1: everyone's going to remember what they don't like about Trump.
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  Speaker 1: You know, now with Harris and Trump, people really like
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  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris and she's doing really well and she's got
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  Speaker 1: sort of this like hopeful, joyful message. And I wonder,
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  Speaker 1: just as an intellectual exercise here, do we think that
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  Speaker 1: there's a case to be made for the let Trump
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  Speaker 1: be Trump and more Trump the better strategy that they
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  Speaker 1: are seemingly pursuing now based on just, I'm sure, the
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  Speaker 1: desires of one man, Donald Trump?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, we're all intellectuals now, huh, John?
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  Speaker 1: We're all intellectuals, just like John said, just for the speech.
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  Speaker 1: There is no.
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  Speaker 2: Way in any sort of intellectual exercise, I could justify
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  Speaker 2: a strategy that allowed Trump to be this Trump. Boring, aggrieved, rambling.
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  Speaker 2: He mumbles through the message and the only thing he
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  Speaker 2: gets passionate about are things that involve personal grievances against him.
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  Speaker 2: This is, that does not matter. And I think it is,
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  Speaker 2: like it's, it is, from a, like a strategic question,
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  Speaker 2: it's sort of interesting because Trump's approval number, like he is,
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  Speaker 2: obviously Kamala Harris is doing much better against Trump than
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  Speaker 2: Biden was, but Trump's favorable ratings are the highest they
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  Speaker 2: have been possibly ever, other than maybe a blip right
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  Speaker 2: after COVID. He's in the mid forties in the battleground states.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly higher than they were at this point in 2016
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  Speaker 1: and 2020 in the campaigns. Yes, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: And that it might be because He has been out
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  Speaker 2: of the news for a month. There's been no Trump.
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  Speaker 2: And that may have helped him. Now, he can't just
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  Speaker 2: let Kamala Harris run to the White House on a
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  Speaker 2: wave of energy, hope, and joy as she is doing
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  Speaker 2: right now. So he needs a strategy to get in
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  Speaker 2: the news. And it's one of the reasons why he's
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  Speaker 2: acting like a lunatic is he has now run for
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  Speaker 2: president three times.
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  Speaker 6: Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: In a row.
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  Speaker 1: In a row. Who's the last candidate that's run for
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  Speaker 1: president three times in a row?
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  Speaker 2: Like Ron Paul, maybe?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, besides like your gadflies.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there is a threefer in modern history.
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  Speaker 2: We need to bring our own Daniel Dale.
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  Speaker 1: FDR? Maybe FDR?
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  Speaker 2: FDR, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: You have to go that far back. Okay. But this
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  Speaker 1: is the.
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  Speaker 2: First time that he has been losing the attention wars, right?
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  Speaker 2: In 2016, he dominated, obviously, the Republican primary. None of
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  Speaker 2: them could get their message out. Through much of the
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: general election, Hillary Clinton was responding to Trump, right? 2020,
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  Speaker 2: Biden had the strategy of basically let Trump light himself
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  Speaker 2: on fire, and that strategy worked. In 2024 against Biden,
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  Speaker 2: Biden just had no ability to ever put Trump on
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  Speaker 2: the defensive. That was not in his wheelhouse. But what
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  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is doing is not only is she getting
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  Speaker 2: attention and dominating it, she's kind of doing it without
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  Speaker 2: really talking about Trump. Trump is obviously in her speech,
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  Speaker 2: but it is not the way that everyone in politics
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  Speaker 2: and media has gotten attention for the last nine fucking years,
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  Speaker 2: which is take the crazy thing Trump says and then
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  Speaker 2: respond to that. She is driving the conversation and he
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  Speaker 2: is being forced to respond to her. And so he
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  Speaker 2: has to do something to change that dynamic. The things
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  Speaker 2: they have currently tried are not working for them. And
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  Speaker 2: this is not the right approach. So I don't believe
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  Speaker 2: that he's just let more of this or more Trump
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  Speaker 2: is good, but they need to find something between don't
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  Speaker 2: be in the news at all and call the cameras
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  Speaker 2: to your golf club to light yourself on fire, right?
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  Speaker 2: There's gotta be like a happy middle ground there strategically.
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  Speaker 1: In his mind, I would bet that he believes all
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  Speaker 1: attention is good attention, even if it's negative, right? Even
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  Speaker 1: if he's saying, he just wants to be in the news,
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  Speaker 1: he thinks that helps him. just being in the news
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  Speaker 1: because he's got to get attention. I think that even
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  Speaker 1: though he knows the economy is the top issue, despite
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  Speaker 1: the fact that in that North Carolina speech, he questioned that,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't believe that if he just talks about the economy, immigration,
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  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris's record, her plans, that that's going to do
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  Speaker 1: anything for him. Because A, people have sort of made
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  Speaker 1: up their minds about him. And B, that's not going
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  Speaker 1: to get him the kind of attention that he craves
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  Speaker 1: and that he needs and so what he wants to
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  Speaker 1: do that's why he said that thing i think about
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  Speaker 1: the personal insults which is like he he wants to
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  Speaker 1: draw her in to a fight you know and he
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  Speaker 1: he probably the thing he hates the most is that
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  Speaker 1: she is not responding to him like you said that
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  Speaker 1: she is barely talking about him or she's just talking
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  Speaker 1: about him like he's like a washed up entertainer in
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  Speaker 1: the past that's probably driving him crazy because what he
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  Speaker 1: wants to do is to goad her into responding to
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  Speaker 1: some of the crazy shit that he says about her
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  Speaker 1: and so far he hasn't been able to do that
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sure that's why he's probably looking forward to
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  Speaker 1: the debate.
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  Speaker 2: I think he has also confused attention and approval, right?
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  Speaker 2: What he wants is not to actually capture the mind
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  Speaker 2: share of the voters who are going to start the election.
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  Speaker 2: It's he wants applause. And the economy stuff doesn't get
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  Speaker 2: the applause, right? We're talking to David Oxrod on Wednesday's podcast.
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  Speaker 2: He made the point that Trump got up there to
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  Speaker 2: do the unity stuff during the convention speech, realized the
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  Speaker 2: unity stuff didn't get applause. We went back to throwing
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: them the red meat. And it's the same thing in
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  Speaker 2: all these events, right? He gets up there. He does
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  Speaker 2: the egg prices or whatever, or the gas prices, whatever else.
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  Speaker 2: And the rabid crowd of MAGA people in the room
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  Speaker 2: don't cheer for that. They're not showing up for that, right?
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  Speaker 2: They're showing up for the old hits. They're showing up
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  Speaker 2: for the shtick. But the audience is not people in
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  Speaker 2: the room. The audience is the people who are watching
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  Speaker 2: the coverage of what he's saying. And he can't separate
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  Speaker 2: those two things in his head because he wants the
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  Speaker 2: applause too much.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing when I was talking to Plouffe, he
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  Speaker 1: said that that Trump is at 46 in some of
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  Speaker 1: these battleground states. He's as high as 48 in some
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  Speaker 1: other battleground states. But it makes me think that he's
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: not really gaining a lot of vote share here. And
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  Speaker 1: his vote share has been relatively stable this entire race,
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  Speaker 1: even with all that's happened, survives an assassination attempt, convicted felon,
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  Speaker 1: wins the debate with Biden. Biden went up and down
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  Speaker 1: and then down and then Kamala Harris went up. But
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump has stayed steady. So how do you win
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  Speaker 1: if you're between 46% and 48% of the vote, well,
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  Speaker 1: you try to peel off some of her voters and
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  Speaker 1: either have them go third party or have them stay home.
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  Speaker 1: And you do that by just a scorched earth campaign
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  Speaker 1: where you say as much crazy shit about her as possible.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like that's his path. Because if she consolidates
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  Speaker 1: enough vote where she's getting 48, 49, 50 in these states,
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  Speaker 1: he can't win.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. There is scorched earth and then there is
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  Speaker 2: strategic attacks that actually peel off voters, right? He's just
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  Speaker 2: throwing all the shit against the wall. And once again,
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  Speaker 2: he is judging success or failure based on the applause
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  Speaker 2: of people who would lie down and moving traffic for him,
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  Speaker 2: not on the voter's side. Who is the soft Kamala
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Harris voter who's going to listen to the stuff Trump
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: just said and move away from her based on that?
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: No.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Some of the stuff they have on air about immigration
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: and the economy, that's a different deal. But Trump, there's
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: a real gap between what Trump's saying and what's in
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: the paid media. And I mean, in Franklin, the presidential campaign,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: what the candidate says in the broader social media media
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: conversation is way more important than the ads. And until
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: those get in alignment, he's in trouble, I think.
• 17:40
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  Speaker 1: So you might be wondering who could possibly get Trump
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: back on message? Well, we got our answer today. Corey Lewandowski,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Trump's 2016 campaign manager, who's been fired twice from Trump World,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: once in June of the 2016 campaign after he was
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: charged with misdemeanor battery for grabbing a reporter. And then
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: he was fired again from a pro-Trump super PAC. In 2021,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: when he was accused by a top Trump donor's wife
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: of making unwanted sexual advances towards her, now he's back
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: on as senior advisor. And Trump's also bringing back an
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: array of other goons from past campaigns and other parts
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: of his life. Always a good sign, right? How do
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: you think this is going to work?
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I think, look. What could possibly go wrong is what
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: I would say. What could possibly go wrong? This is
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: the sort of– like these are comfort items for Trump, right?
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: He's feeling at sea. He needs his blankie. Corey Lewandowski
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: has his blankie. And it's a way– this is the
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: thing that clearly Clarissa Savita and Susie Wiles are giving
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: to Trump to preserve their role in the campaign, right?
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: There are people calling for their heads. Trump has never
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: gone this long without really firing a campaign manager of sorts.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: So this is addition instead of subtraction, and I'm sure
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: they're going to continually give Corey Lewandowski the wrong passcode
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: to the Zoom for the meetings. And maybe he'll fly
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: on the plane.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Like we did to you this morning?
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Like you did to me this morning, exactly.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, you have a campaign like that,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: and you start adding people, especially people from the past
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: who were fired.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not great management style.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: It's never a great sign. So we're heading into the
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: DNC next week, which will be wall-to-wall coverage of Democrats' message.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: What is Trump's next opportunity to change the narrative here?
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: If you're trying to be strategic on that campaign, what
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: do you do?
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: You probably kind of wind Trump down. Maybe send him
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: to some battleground states. Do some whiter type stuff.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Sedatives, some horse tranquilizer.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Only show him. Limit his media diet, probably. No, I think...
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: You probably are looking at the first debate on September
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: 10th because you're going convention to Labor Day weekend to
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: start a school and you have to deal that debate
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: if you're Trump. Like that is, if he goes there
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: and he gets his ass kicked, that's a huge problem
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: for him.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: And they are probably guessing that since the media is
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: already sort of getting antsy and tired of the like Kamala's,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: you know, joyful campaign is surging narrative. she's going to
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: sit down for an interview at some point. She's going
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: to take questions. They're going to want a real race.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: And then if, you know, if that happens around the
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: debate and then they can argue that, you know, he
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: didn't do horrible at the debate or he won the debate,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: then maybe they can change things. And you can see
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: that through the beginnings of that strategy in the statement today,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: like originally it was billed as just, he's going to
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: talk about inflation, but he sort of unloaded the oppo
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: file on Kamala Harris. And he just did every single
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: position she's ever changed on, every position she took that's
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: too liberal, all of that stuff. He did it all today.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: So I guess that's a preview of what they're going
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I guess a couple things they would do. One is
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: wait for her to potentially make a mistake. She has
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: not made one to date. Maybe one happens in an
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: interview or on the trail. So you can see something
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: because the press is bored of this. And then there
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: is always this thing with poll numbers where the press
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: reads them in the context of the narrative they're currently saying.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: So right now it's like Kamala Harris is surging, right?
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: She's got all the momentum. And that is true. She
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: is surging momentum, but you can also look at the
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: polls and say, after all of that, she only has
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: a one point lead in the national polls. Right.
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Or she's taught, you know, she's doesn't, she's not ahead.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: The Trump that they're going to look at this, we're
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: going to get past the convention. Maybe she'll get a
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: little bump in the convention. It's typically three points and
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: pretty fleeting historically. And we'll give you heading into the debate.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: You're going to see the press like, Trump made it
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: through all of that, and he's still only down two points.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: And then the narrative shifts, right?
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: And then the pressure's on her and the debate and everyone. Yeah,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: that's what they're hoping for. Okay. While Trump flails and
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Republicans complain, Democrats are just in such a ray. We
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: are just, we're crushing it. Thursday in Maryland, Kamala Harris
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: and Joe Biden held an event together, their first joint
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: appearance since Biden stepped down from the race. The event
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: was notable for two things. One, Harris and Biden driving
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: a clear message on an incredibly popular policy. Imagine that. Two,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: the amount of love in the room for Joe Biden
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: and the feeling of ease between him and Harris. Let's
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: listen to a clip.
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: We finally addressed the longstanding issue that for years was
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: one of the biggest challenges on this subject, which was
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: that Medicare was prohibited by law from negotiating lower drug prices.
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: And those costs then got passed on to our seniors,
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: but not anymore.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Folks, I have an incredible partner. The progress we've made,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: she's going to make one hell.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Of a president.
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: And of course, I could speak all afternoon about the
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: person that I am standing on this stage with.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Let's start with the vibes. What did you think of
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the vibes? Joe Biden seemed happy. Kamala Harris seemed happy.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: The crowd was loving it. That's great.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: When I saw this on the calendar, and then I
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: saw this on the calendar on a day that we
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: were podcasting with an event happening right before we podcast,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: I dreaded this. I felt like maybe it was going
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: to be awkward or strange or tension-filled, and it was
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: on the above. It was awesome.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: You know why? Because we weren't there. That's why.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Speak for yourself. I would have been there in full sport. Well,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I thought it was great. I mean, the president really
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: did seem unburdened.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Like he wasn't, he was touting.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: He was having fun. He was cracking jokes, having a
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: good time.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Donald Dump, good joke there.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that was, but yeah, sure.
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: Great.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: And also more importantly, incredible accomplishment. Now like the top
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: 10 drugs under Medicare now much cheaper. Truly one of the.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Most popular policies anyone has ever passed. You know, I
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: just saw a poll from the folks at Blueprint, which
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: said that 70% of people thought that this policy was good,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: but also 70% of people thought this policy would affect
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: themselves or people in their family. You hear all kinds
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: of people like, I love this policy. It's great, but
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: it would never affect me. Here's one that everyone thinks
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: is going to help them. It's a huge accomplishment. It's
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: a huge political winner. It was great to see them
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: talking about it. It was great to see that easy
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: chemistry is still there with them. It was just great.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: The whole thing was great.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: There are certain policies that Democrats have loved forever and
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: talked about forever, and they also happen to poll really well.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: And one of them has always been, we're going to
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: have Medicare negotiate for cheaper drug prices, and we're going
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: to take on the drug companies to make sure that people,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: and especially seniors on Medicare, don't have to pay too
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: much for their prescriptions. And for years and years, couldn't
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: get it done. And in the Inflation Reduction Act, Joe
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Biden and Kamala Harris got it done. And You know,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Biden talked a lot in the campaign about capping insulin
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: at $ 35. There's other drugs aside from insulin that a
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: lot of people count on. They were way too expensive.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: And now they're going to be able to afford them
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: because of this. It is a huge accomplishment. And, you know,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: we don't talk a lot of policy here, but people
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: should be pretty proud of that accomplishment. And it's going
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: to really make a difference in people's lives. The conventional
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: wisdom is that, like, Harris doesn't want to be, like,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: tied too closely to the Biden administration because Biden's approval
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: ratings were quite low. for most of the campaign. But
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: this seems to be an example of why being tied
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: to the Biden administration and specifically the Biden administration's accomplishments
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: could be quite a good thing for her.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Do you know who's newly popular again?
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Well, everyone's approval rating is up. Harris's, Biden's, Trump's. Yeah,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: his approval ratings have gone up since he made his decision.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: He's obviously become a less polarizing figure. Democrats who Even
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: if they love the president personally, were head concerns about
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: him running, they now will tell pollsters they like him.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: It is a tricky dance for her because she does
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: not want to be the incumbent in this race. She's
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: actually managed to make Trump the incumbent. He is the past.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: He is status quo. She has changed. But there are
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: these really important things they've done, which– and I thought
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: this was smart about the way they did this in
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: this event is here's a thing we did and here–
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: this is proof positive that we're going to do similar
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: things and we take on powerful special interests in the future.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: And so this was the right tone for doing it.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: And just all over, you know, Biden, when he was
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: on his CBS interview over the weekend, talked about how
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: he had talked to Governor Shapiro about doing a tour
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: of Pennsylvania at some point with him to campaign for
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Harris and the Democratic ticket. And there are voters that
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Biden can be helpful with Harris. Like, when you look
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: at the polling, she has gained with a whole younger voters,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Black voters, Latino voters, but she has lost some with
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: older white voters. And Biden can be helpful with that.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he definitely can. And to your point about
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: here's some great stuff we did. We took on powerful interests,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: brought down costs for people, and now she's going to
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: do more in the future. That future is today, where
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: she is delivering a major economic policy speech. Unlike Trump,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I think she's actually going to probably give the speech.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: According to Politico, the focus of the speech is going
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: to be a federal ban on price gouging and other
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: actions she'll take in her first hundred days to lower
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: the cost of groceries and other everyday expenses. She will
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: also reportedly call for the construction of 3 million housing
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: units by offering tax incentives for builders that contract properties
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: for first-time homebuyers. What do you think of that? What
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: do you think of those policies?
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Love it. Love it. I feel like I was listening
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: to a podcast recently that maybe they suggested this would
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: be a good idea to do these economics before the convention.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Was it Hacks on Tap?
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I listen to Hacks on Tap. I took that
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: idea I brought to you right now. I mean, obviously,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: they did not get this idea from our podcast. I'll
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: be very clear about that. But I think this is
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: very smart because the– I can get to the politics
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: and the policy in a second here. But just she
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: has this tremendous burden that she's been running for a month.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: She got to give her convention speech. A normal candidate
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: at this point who had not just started a month
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: before the convention would have given 12 economic speeches over
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: the course of the primary and the general election already.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: And you don't want your convention speech to be the
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: State of the Union. It's just like a laundry list
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: of policies. So– by doing this now, and it's a really,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I would say, unfair burden to put on their speechwriters
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: to have to write this speech during the convention, but
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: this is going to make it easier to give a
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: convention speech that tells her story in the context of values,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: not policy. So I think it's great they're doing it.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: These are the right policies. These are popular policies. It's
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: very smart. It's like really stark contrast to the absurdity
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: we just saw with Trump today.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: It's also, she's addressing the top issues on voters' minds.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: And we were just talking about Kamala Harris tying herself
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: too closely to Biden or not, or what should she do?
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: The number one concern about Biden was his age. That
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: was the number one driver of his low approval rating.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: And the fact that people did not want this Trump-Biden rematch,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: and they weren't sure that they wanted to vote for
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden for another four years. And then the only
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: other driver, I think, significant driver of his approval rating
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: was concerns about lingering high prices from inflation and costs
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: and that he had not done enough about that, even
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: though he, you know, gave us the strongest recovery of
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: any other country since COVID. But like prices are still high.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: And so that is on people's minds. And on that issue,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: if she just focuses on her plans to lower costs
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: for people and goes around saying, you know, look, people
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: were struggling with high costs even before the pandemic sent
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: inflation soaring. And it's been like this for decades. And,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: you know, we've made progress and, President Obama made progress
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: with the Affordable Care Act and Joe Biden made progress.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: And we made progress in the White House by bringing
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: down the cost of prescription drugs and energy and child
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: tax credits. But now I got to do more to
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: bring down costs for everyone. And so I'm going to
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: bring down the cost of groceries. I'm going to bring
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: down the cost of housing. Look, in every focus group
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I did for the wilderness in 2022, every single, I'm
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: like a broken record on this, every single demographic, everywhere
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I went, open-ended question, what are you worried about? It's
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: not that people said the word inflation or high cost, housing.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Housing was the first thing. The cost of housing is
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the biggest challenge for people. And it is not a
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: topic that politicians have necessarily talked about a lot, or
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: at least it's not been central to the national debate
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: over the last decade, maybe, maybe since we had the
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: housing crisis around the Great Recession. And so coming out
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: by you know, talking about building new houses and incentives
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. It's a state and local issue.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: It's not just a national issue, but the federal government
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: has a role here. And the fact that she's now,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: like now her big plans, her big economic plans are
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: to lower the price of groceries, drugs, healthcare, and housing.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's great. It's great. And it's very popular.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: And I think it's going to be a great message
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: to run on.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: And just in breaking news here, the Wall Street Journal
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: is now reporting that tomorrow Kamala Harris is going to
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: propose a $ 25, 000 in down payment support for first-time homebuyers.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Wow. That's great. That's great.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Obviously, we can't speak to the full substance of policy.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: We know her economic advisors. I'm sure it's great. But
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: from a political perspective, from a narrative perspective, this is
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: right on the money.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Also, she's running against a former slumlord. Yes. Donald Trump
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: has screwed people out of their housing forever. He has
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: cheated people, homeowners, for a long, long time. So it's
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: a great contrast. All right. So if you've noticed that
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the last we heard from RFK Jr. was when he
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: was talking to Roseanne. about dumping a dead bear cub
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: he had planned to eat in Central Park. You're not alone.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: It seems like he might at least be considering a
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: way out of his campaign. According to Kennedy campaign officials,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: RFK Jr. has approached the Harris campaign about meeting with
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: her and also the possibility of dropping out and endorsing
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: her if she'll give him a job in the administration.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: It seems like he has not been able to secure
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: that meeting yet. Does it seem like the Harris folks
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: have gotten back to him? I'm going to go out
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: on a limb and say I don't think they're going
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: to give him a job in the administration. Kennedy himself
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: threw cold water on this idea after it was reported
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: in The Washington Post. He wrote a tweet on Wednesday
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: night that said VP Harris's Democratic Party would be unrecognizable
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: to my father and uncle. And I cannot reconcile it
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: with my values. And he ended it with, I have
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: no plans to endorse Kamala Harris for president. I do
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: have a plan to defeat her. Sure. Worth noting, RFK Jr.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: also met with Donald Trump in Milwaukee during the RNC
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: and might have made a similar offer to him. J.D.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Vance got in on the action today, urging RFK Jr.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: to endorse Trump, saying they have similar views on quote
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: unquote medical freedom and not starting stupid wars. What do
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: you think is going on here with RFK Jr.
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: Dan?
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I would say that RFK Jr. is an example
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: of the apple falling very far from the tree. I mean,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: the whole thing's absurd. He will forever, in my mind,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: be defined by the dead bear cub video. Just truly
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: one of the most bizarre stories ever told. And even
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: more bizarre that it was told on video and then
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: released to the public.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: To Roseanne.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: To Roseanne. Like, how did that.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I don't want to... Yeah. The story's incredible. I could
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: tell the story forever.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, the part where he goes to Peter Luger
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: with the dead bear cub at his back.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: The falconing at the beginning.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time trying to figure out
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: the geography of going from Peter Luger to Central Park
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: to the airport.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I know. I've been very... Yeah. It doesn't make any sense.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Where was he going? Why was it a night flight?
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: What was happening? I just don't understand any of it.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: And then there was the bear cub meat, right?
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: But that's... It's the soon-to-be-eaten bear cub meat.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: He does have a plan in his defense to defeat
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris. And that plan is to be funded by
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Trump's biggest donors to take away two to 3% of
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: her vote in a couple of battleground states and elect
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump. That is his plan to defeat Kamala Harris.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: He has that plan. The problem for him in this
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: is that his appeal, you know, and we saw this,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: I remember you and I both listened as we always
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: do to Sarah Longwell's focus groups on RFK curious voters
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: and what they all said about whether they were former
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Biden supporters or former Trump supporters, Republicans or Democrats was,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: he was the anti-politician, right? These guys are all corrupt
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: and he was not. And here he is doing the
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: single most corrupt thing you can possibly do in politics,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: which is like, you have said these people are terrible.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: They're warmongers and you're, but you're going to support them
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: in exchange for a job.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: And you've gone to both of them. That's like the
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: idea that you're like, well, I'm going to stand on
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: principle and I'm a third party. I'm a new, I'm
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: a brother fresh air. And it's like, but I tried
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: to get a job with Donald Trump and said, I
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: would drop out if he gave me a job. He said, no.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Then I went to Kamala Harris. I said, I'll drop
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: out if you give me a job. And she said, no.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: So here I am. I'm going to beat both of
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: them now.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: What are you doing? It's one thing to, like, if
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: you're RFK, you're like, you know, in the end, I'm
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: closer to Trump than I am to Harris or closer
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: to Harris than Trump. And I'm going to step aside
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: for one of them. But to be willing to go
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: with the highest bidder is just the highest form of corruption.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: And so if this story gets out and gets traction,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: and I imagine knowing the people we do who are working,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: have been working at the DNC on this third party stuff,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: it is damaging with a lot of the voters that
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: he had a shot with, which is not a ton
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: of voters, and we can get to that in a sec.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: But it is enough, right? We know what the margins
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: are in these battleground states. And if he's getting a
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: couple points, they got to come from somewhere. And the
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: person they come more from is probably going to lose
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: the state.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, this was supposed to be, you know, the
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: year of third party candidates. And, you know, when Biden
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: was in the race, it did seem like RFK Jr.,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Jill Stein, others were getting, you know, a bigger share
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: of the vote than polls showed in 2020, at least.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Was that overblown or did Biden dropping out just change everything?
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: It was changing before Biden dropped out. If you were
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: watching the tracking and the polling averages, RFK Jr. was
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: at a high about six to eight months ago and
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: had been coming down on sort of, it's still at
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: a particularly, at a high number for a third party candidate.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Normally his candidates are getting one to 2% and he
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: was getting five to seven and sometimes more. But what's
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: changed is third party candidates do well when people are
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: angry with both candidates. And we spent all this time,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: we spent a year talking about the double haters, people
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: who didn't like Biden or Trump. The double haters are gone.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: The number has been cut by more than half since
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Biden dropped out. That's because Kamala Harris's approval ratings are
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: much higher than Biden's, but also Trump's have gone up.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of why the third party share goes
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: down over time, because people sort of realign with their candidates, right?
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: You had all these Trump voters who Maybe they weren't
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: sure they were for Trump or they were voting for Trump,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: but they didn't really like him. But now the more
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: the race gets polarized, the more they like their candidate.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: So there's just the lane in which a third party
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: candidate can get a significant vote share has gone down. Now,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: that does not mean this is still modeling like an
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: incredibly close race. So if Jill Stein gets a point
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: or two, Cornel West gets a point and RFK Jr.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: gets two points, therefore points would be decisive, incredibly decisive.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: So it still matters a lot.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Well, we were just talking about Trump at, you know,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: if Trump's at 48 in some of these states, if
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: he could, you know, 47 or 48, and then three
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: or four points, yeah, then that becomes a tight race.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: He can win at 48 because RFK Jr. is going
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: to be on the ballot in almost all the battleground states.
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: And Joe Stein is already on the ballot in a
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: lot of these states.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Yep. And then you got the libertarian candidate too.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I don't remember his name, but he's out there.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Something Oliver, Gary Oliver. Does that sound right?
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: No, it's not Gary, but Oliver's right. All right. Let's
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: just work this out here.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Lastly, something fun before we go. The Harris campaign just
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: posted just an incredibly charming YouTube video of Harris and
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Tim Walz getting to know each other. Here's a sampling.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I called you, Tim. I was hoping maybe we wouldn't
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: have to.
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: I called you, Tim.
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: You didn't answer, Tim. I know.
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: What happened? The most important call of my life. It
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: popped up, and we didn't recognize the caller ID, and
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: it went to voicemail.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Hi, this is Tim.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: I'm not able to answer.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: There you go. It's not possible.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Hey, Tim, it's Kamala. I really want to talk to you.
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: Talk about how Prince was with that guitar, man. I
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: almost know by heart every one of those songs.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like a trip to Paisley Park is going
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: to happen here.
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: It's on my bucket list, I'll tell you that.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: I have white guy tacos.
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: What is that, like mayonnaise and tuna?
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: What are you doing?
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Pretty much ground beef and cheese.
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: That's okay.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Do you put any flavor in it?
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: No.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Here's the deal. She was so disappointed. Oh, you didn't
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: put any flavor. Where do you rank a video like
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: this on the impact scale compared to like a rally
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: or an ad? It seems like the kind of thing
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: that a lot of people, maybe people who aren't political
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: junkies like us would share because it's just like two
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: normal people having a good time laughing with each other.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: It's kind of nice.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: It's great. It's so much more valuable than a single
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: ad or even a rally because it's going to Especially
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: like in a world of TikTok, it's just going to
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: be there for a long time. It's going to circulate.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: People are going to see it. They seem like normal humans.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is– we know Tim Walz is great in
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: these scenarios. He's been posting– we've all seen them now,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: amazing videos for years now. I mean the video of
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Tim Walz's daughter telling him that turkey is meat is
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: still one of the greatest videos of all time.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Or the one where they're doing the hands-free PSA ad,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: which is also superb. Like he is very good at this.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is great at this stuff. She was, I mean,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: do you remember the video that she did cooking with
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Indian food with Mindy Kaling?
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: It's like superb, right? Superb. And we haven't seen a lot.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: The Trump later tweeted.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Thinking that it was damaging.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: To prove that she's not black. Yeah.
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I remember that.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: So this is like, this is like shows him as people.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Like we just listened to Trump spent, try to treat
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: her as this radical person. communist who's stupid and mean
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: and all of this. And here she is just being
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: a normal human being, have a normal conversation with a normal,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: normal human being. It's, it really is gold. Like this
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: is the people want, this is relatable. This stuff defangs
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: the caricature when they see it. And I love it.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Speaking of relatable, what do you think was going on with, uh,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: with Tim Walls missing the call? I said, she, she he's,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: he's getting a call. The most important call of his life.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Could you, would you serve as my vice president? And
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: because it's a blocked number, he just goes right to voicemail.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: It's inexcusable, frankly. Inexcusable.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: And I say that I am someone who never answers
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: the phone. I don't talk on the phone. You call
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: me on the phone. I don't answer. When Emily calls
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: me on the phone, I think it's an emergency. My
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: parents do. And certainly numbers I don't recognize or blocked numbers,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I don't answer those. So I don't, I mean, I
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: understand that. But if you know that, okay, she's probably
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: calling the winner of the veep stakes today, then I
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: turn on the ringer and I'd start looking at the
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: phone and I'd just pick up any number.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: If you knew you were the finalist to win Powerball
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: and you were going to get a call the next morning,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: one way or the other to find out if you
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: had won Powerball, you're answering the phone no matter what
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: the number is. It could say spam risk on it
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: and you would answer that phone. Like what's the, like,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: what is the worst case scenario? It answers that it
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: turns out to be a scam and he hangs up
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: on the person. He just says bye. And then waits
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: for the next call.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Like, did he, did he think that the call was
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: going to come through and just say like, it's Kamala Harris?
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he's.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Talked to her. It's so funny.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: It's really funny. It's really like, I get, there is
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: like a, I remember when we were in the white house,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: like you get those calls and it was like, it's,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: it's the, it's the president and it's like a blocked
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: number or it's the two, whatever. And you're like, it
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: is very scary when you're awaiting a call from an
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: important person. But like, you just got to do it.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: You got to pick up.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: You know when it's really scary? When you're not awaiting
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: a call from an important person and that phone rings.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: No, that's, you're right. That is the scary.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: That's when you know something's going, you're in trouble and
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: your night is over, whatever you were doing.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Like when I was at Lollapalooza in 2007
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: during the campaign and I thought that the speech was locked.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Our energy speech was locked because Barack Obama said, we're
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: all done. I have no more edits. And then right
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the concert on my phone, there
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: you guys, I want to rewrite the speech.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Well, look, in defense of you, people have been talking
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: about that speech for the 15 years since. Everyone remembers
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: the energy speech.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I don't remember anything about it. Tacos. Look, I'm a
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: white guy. I put seasoning on my tacos. Do you
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: like spice? White guy tacos? Come on, Tim.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I think there's a couple ways to look at this. One,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: the no seasoning thing, also inexcusable, right? They give you
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: a packet in the taco kit, Tim.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Put it in there. That's what makes tacos so good.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's called taco seasoning. Otherwise, you're just eating fucking hamburger.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: You're eating a hamburger without the helper in a tortilla chip.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: But I will say in Tim's defense, I have to
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: say this carefully. As someone who has now lived in
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: California for nine years and is married to someone from
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: the Bay Area who takes her Mexican food incredibly seriously,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I have no objection to a crispy shell taco. No.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I don't. Is that a– oh, because that's– That is
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: one of the key ingredients of a white guy taco
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: or a white person taco is crispy shell taco like
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: comes in the taco kit as opposed to.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: A corn tortilla. I also like a crispy shell taco.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look, it's not a traditional taco. I
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: have to say that if I want to be able
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: to return to my home later tonight. But I will not.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: If you want to give me a crispy shell taco
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: with some ground beef, with seasoning, Tim Walls, some lettuce
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: and some cheese, I'll eat that. That's delicious.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: But also, medium to hot salsa, jalapenos.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, spice, for sure. For sure. It is funny.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: And apparently Kamala Harris really likes spicy food. And she
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: should really go on hot ones. I mean, I think that's...
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: I have such.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I mean... The current podcast aside, I have such a
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: list of great podcasts for Kamala Harris to do that
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: I just want to see. And Hot Ones is one
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: of them.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I think she'll be able to hang on that for sure.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. There is a funny part in that video that
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: is not in our Supercut where he says that the
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: black pepper is the pinnacle of spice in Minnesota, which
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: is very funny.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: That is very funny. That is very funny. All right. Well,
• 46:50
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• 46:54
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• 46:56
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• 46:59
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• 47:01
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