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- 0:29All right, Hey Vikings fans, welcome into another episode of the School Hop.
- 0:33I'm Evan and I'm Austin. We're just a couple of dudes from Iowa.
- 0:37We like drinking beer, we like talking about the Vikings. Yeah,
- 0:39we do school and Merry Christmas. Christmas to you too. We've got some
- 0:44gifts here that we're going to exchange in a little bit. Yeah, that'll
- 0:46be fun. I'm excited. But before we do that, we got to
- 0:49pay the bills. So, uh, we just wanted to let you know
- 0:52that today's episode of the School Hop is brought to you by Big Top Ventures.
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- 1:42it. Yeah, we're drinking. We are drinkings. We have to drink.
- 1:48That was an ill advised pause there what I was saying. But the
- 1:52beer we're drinking tonight is Green Trees. Give me the name one more time,
- 1:57I always yeah. So I think they've changed their of this beer you've
- 2:00said, So you have gifted us tonight with a Green Tree Brewing out of
- 2:06LaClaire, Iowa. Their river Bottom X. It used to be called river
- 2:10Bottom Red. I think it was river Bottom Red when it was first released,
- 2:15but they must have changed it for some reason or another. But it's
- 2:17a six percent red beer and it's brewed by Green Tree Brewing, which is
- 2:23in Leclaire, Iowa, just the stones throwaway from where we're at. And
- 2:28it's a micro brewery. They don't distribute. You have to go to their
- 2:35brewery location in LaClaire, Iowa to get their beer. And that's what I
- 2:38did. Yeah, and it's good stuff and I appreciate appreciate that you did,
- 2:43because this is really good beer. Yeah. I think we said in
- 2:46the TikTok that it's a it's no secret that I gravitate towards the I Pas,
- 2:52but you have really been opening me to the Ambers and to the Reds.
- 2:57And I'm not disappointed at all by eat, just you know, being
- 3:00open to that kind of a beer, but especially this one. This one's
- 3:04really good. And I may have to make the quick drive out to their
- 3:08brewery sometime in the new future to try some more of this. Maybe we'll
- 3:12have to have a business meeting out out at that brewery. That would be
- 3:15a good thing. I would appreciate that. Yeah, that'd be fun.
- 3:19And I would say to anybody out there that's wanting to know how they could
- 3:23get their hands on some of this. Like I said, you have to
- 3:25go to their brewery. But they're right off of Interstate eighty and Leclaire is
- 3:31just a tiny little town, but it's loaded with tons of stuff to do.
- 3:35So if you ever drive in between like Des Moines and Chicago, it's
- 3:38a great place to stop. And the American pickers are there or do they
- 3:44still have a location out there? Yep? And then there's just a ton
- 3:46of different little shops and stuff. There's a great whiskey distillery right next door
- 3:53to the brewery. Oh yeah, just lots of good stuff. I'm just
- 3:57hyping up LaClair. It's good. That's a good spot. And the less
- 4:00we have to talk about the Vikings this week, I mean, I'm okay
- 4:03with that. I know you guys are here to hear about the Vikings.
- 4:06Maybe. I know we have some fans of other teams that listen. Yeah,
- 4:10so shout out JK a Browns fan. But yeah, yeah, it
- 4:13look clear, is fun, it's nice. They always do some some cool
- 4:16events to around the holidays and stuff, which we're just getting out of.
- 4:20But yeah, all right, Well we can distract ourselves a little bit more
- 4:27by exchanging some gifts that we got for each other. It is a school
- 4:30hop Christmas, Merry Christmas out there, school hot fans. So I kind
- 4:36of want you to open yours. I was gonna say, I want you
- 4:39to open yours. If you're the you are the gift opener. Let's let's
- 4:44do it, all right, all right? Just best a one, best
- 4:46of one and one two three? Shoot yeah, all right, rock paper
- 4:49scissors, shoot all right, alrighty oh, okay, So I mean,
- 4:56okay, so I'll probably have to narrate for those of you out there that
- 5:03are just listening. He's shaking it and he's trying to figure out what it
- 5:10could be. I'm a present shaker. I sometimes I know you carry a
- 5:14knife. Do not use a knife. Oh okay, okay, just sometimes
- 5:17all the time, just forewarning, Okay, I don't want you to break
- 5:21anything. Oh man, is it? Is it breathing? Do I hear?
- 5:27No, it's not breathing. It's actually Kirk's achilles. Oh no,
- 5:33just kidding. Too soon, too soon? You're right, Oh man,
- 5:41I didn't tape it super well, you take it a lot. Oh,
- 5:45there's another box in here? All right? Sorry for all the excess noise.
- 5:51Yeah, it's an ASMR podcast. I have just opened the wrapping paper
- 6:00of the second box. So it's a box within a box. Yeah,
- 6:03I swear if there's another box in here, not another box? All right?
- 6:11Okay. Did I do a good job wrapping? Yeah? Did did
- 6:15Raven wrap this? No? I wrapped it myself. Interesting if it was
- 6:19wrapped by my wife, it would have been way better. Yeah. Okay,
- 6:23Well I think I'm getting closer. So I've just opened up the second
- 6:27box and it is wrapped in siryane wrap. I've seen far too many videos
- 6:33on TikTok this year of people giving gifts that are ridiculously hard to open,
- 6:40so I was a little inspired. Yeah, but you're almost there. Did
- 6:44you have a few of those River Red River Bottom xes? No? I
- 6:48was saving it for this. This is gonna sound great in your guys years.
- 6:55I did waste some suran wrap. Yeah, this is so we're down
- 6:59to the sur layer and under that there's more wrapping paper. Yep, but
- 7:03you're almost there. I think I'm getting close. You're getting real close.
- 7:06It feels like a clothing item. It could be. Oh, I can
- 7:12see just regular paper, but I think there's another hip, another couple of
- 7:16wrap rounds of saran wrap. This has got to be terrible to listen to.
- 7:21I'll try to edit that out later, or at least put it on
- 7:26some effects to make it less obnoxious. Yep, maybe it'll be easier to
- 7:30watch. So we are on YouTube. You you can listen and watch the
- 7:35whole episode on YouTube. Hey, you made it, made it to the
- 7:42initial wrapping paper. You know, most people would have just handed some of
- 7:45this. That would have been too easy. And I'm a teacher on winter
- 7:48break, so we got all the time in the morning, all of the
- 7:51time on my hands. Here, all right, it is a cloth item
- 7:56at least. Second, see it's purple. There's more tape. How many
- 8:01rolls of tape did you use on this? I would have guessed more.
- 8:09Oh, there's two cloth items in here. Actually three? Oh my goodness.
- 8:13Okay, all right, it is wonderful. This is amazing. So
- 8:20first to first ever skull Hop T shirts, School Hop T shirts. This
- 8:26is awesome. So there are three shirts in there, because you never know
- 8:31how T shirts are gonna fit when you order them online, so you'll have
- 8:35to find one that fits you. I'll find one that fits me, and
- 8:39then we have one that we can give away to somebody out there listening to
- 8:43us. Look, get you ev we'll put you on movies. Just say
- 8:46merchandising. Yep. That we out the spectrum of sizes, and I think
- 8:52the spectrum will work out perfectly. So we'll have to figure out how we're
- 8:56going to give away that third shirt. Yeah, So if you're out there
- 8:58listening, I'll let you finish. Hang on. Oh yeah, just kidding.
- 9:05Yeah, you you should hit us up. We always, uh,
- 9:07we always promo our social media sites and our email and stuff at the end
- 9:13of the episode. So send us a message somewhere anywhere, and who knows,
- 9:18maybe we can send you a shirt. Yeah, and uh yeah,
- 9:22if you're watching on YouTube, you can see this, these wonderful shirts.
- 9:26I'm very excited about this. Thank you so much. Yeah, this is
- 9:28awesome. It's our it's just it's a purple shirt with our skull Hop logo.
- 9:33It's been on episode art, it's been I think it's our our profile
- 9:39picture on all the socials. So yeah, that's nice and that's us.
- 9:43Yeah, we've got this flag here too, that was kind of part of
- 9:46the same orders. So we're actually on Tea Public. So if you go
- 9:50to Tea Public, oh yeah, that's where these shirts and this, uh
- 9:54they call it a tapestry, this flag come from. So you can check
- 9:58us out on Tea Public, the school Hop. I would also like to
- 10:01make a quick plug for my wife's Tea Public store. It's A and J
- 10:07creative and she's made some pretty cool stuff, non Viking stuff, but then
- 10:13she's also made some really cool like ladies vikings, designs. So if you're
- 10:20out there and you're a Vikings fan and you've got a lady in your life
- 10:24that could benefit from some really classy looking Vikings gear, head on over to
- 10:31A and J Creative on Tea Public and you can check out her designs.
- 10:35I might have to do that because I do have some ladies in my life.
- 10:39Yeah that I have told our Vikings fans and they've been bribed with ice
- 10:43cream. Yeah, no ice cream this week. No, no dice,
- 10:46no ice cream at all. But we're not going to talk about that yet.
- 10:50Yeah, we're going to prolong the inevitable a little bit. And another
- 10:54gift, all right, Evan, it's your turn. Your wrapping was way
- 10:58more intricate than mine. I put it in a bag. The problem I
- 11:01have with this is it's green, and the moment you walked into my house
- 11:05we talked about it. Well, yeah, I didn't really realize the color
- 11:09of it until I walked into your house and showed you that I had a
- 11:13gift, and I was like, dang it, it's it's in a green.
- 11:15It's not really pack or green. No, no, no, it's
- 11:16okay, it's more like the main green is more like a light green.
- 11:22We'll call it football grass. Sure, it's got Christmas trees on it.
- 11:28Somebody who gave me or my family members a gift this year may recognize this
- 11:33bag. It probably came from that. We like to reuse bags. It
- 11:37feels round, Oh yeah, okay, kind of or oddly shaped. Okay,
- 11:43I know, we'll see or maybe is it? Is it multiple pieces
- 11:50or there there is one item in one bag? Yeah, you should quickly
- 11:56be able to realize what it is. I do know what this is,
- 12:03no way, Yeah, this is awesome, all right, so I'll do
- 12:07the narration. Evan has just opened a custom skull Hop mini helmet. It
- 12:15is a ri Dell Riddle mini helmet and it has on both sides the Norseman
- 12:22skull Hop logo, so it doesn't say the skull Hop above it. I
- 12:26kind of tinkered around with that. I should say. This is all thanks
- 12:31to my wonderful, beautiful, amazing wife who will never hear these words ever.
- 12:37She was the one who was the mastermind behind putting the logo on the
- 12:41helmet. That is cool, and that's gonna go like smack dab in the
- 12:46middle of this. And here's what's cool about this. I had a little
- 12:50extra money from Christmas sitting around, so I was perusing on Amazon and I
- 12:56actually bought a Vikings mini help. Oh nice, so we can do like
- 13:01two helmets, like right next to each other. I think that'll be really
- 13:05cool. It's like a seventies era with the gray Oh that's cool face mask.
- 13:09It was on Amazon. It was like thirty eight bucks. Yeah,
- 13:13like that're cool. Yeah, it should be here later this week, so
- 13:16hopefully that episode. Yeah, if you're watching on Spotify or YouTube or wherever
- 13:22you're watching us, you don't have to keep an eye out for some of
- 13:24the changes we're making to the old school hop set here. Yeah. So,
- 13:28yeah, this is awesome. Though, this is super cool. Merry
- 13:31Christmas. I do have one just like it. I kinda we kind of
- 13:35tinkered around with the size of the logos, so the sizing of mine is
- 13:39a little bit different, but outside of that, it's identical. That's cool.
- 13:43I'm going to put it on the shelf for a nice nice He's going
- 13:46to find a good spot and it'll probably change up once you get that that
- 13:50old school helmet there, you go right in Victor's lap and then I'll just
- 13:58take my my beer back. Sorry, Victory, you get a beer tonight.
- 14:01No beers for Victor. But that just looks cool. Yeah, that's
- 14:05awesome, that looks great. Well, Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas. Those
- 14:09were good guests. Fun. Yeah, they were all right. I'm tempted
- 14:13to put my shirt on right now, but I think that would ruin the
- 14:16flow of the episode here. We'll try them on afterwards. Sounds good,
- 14:24Well, we we have to. This is what we do. We always
- 14:28talk about the game. We've made a commitment to all of our mini fans
- 14:33out there that rely on us for all of the hot takes when it comes
- 14:37to the Vikings. So we got to recap the loss to the Lions twenty
- 14:43four to thirty on Christmas Eve. It was a white out game, a
- 14:48lot of anticipation for this game and a lot of frustration and a lot of
- 14:54frustration, and it ended in heartbreak. It wasn't a blow, It was
- 15:00close, and it was within the Vikings grasp even at the end. The
- 15:05Vikings got the ball with two minutes left, no timeouts. They moved the
- 15:09ball down the fields and Mullins threw his fourth interception of the game with like
- 15:16forty something seconds left. On the clock. He was trying to hit JJ
- 15:22and just underthrew him. Yeah. I think the defender read it perfectly.
- 15:26I mean, and the ball was kind of a duck yep. So just
- 15:31everything that could go wrong did go wrong in this game. Not only that
- 15:35game ceiling interception, but the injuries were just piling up. Mullins threw four
- 15:41picks. Yeah. I have two philosophies when it comes to my opinions on
- 15:48football and decisions I would make if I were ever, And nobody should ever
- 15:54put me in charge in a decision making capacity for a football team. But
- 15:56if I ever were, I've said my first one on the podcast already,
- 16:00and it involves running backs. Don't pay running backs. They just they put
- 16:06on too many miles, They get hit too much. Very rarely are running
- 16:11backs worth the money they get paid if it's a big contract, because they
- 16:15just get injured. So that's my first one, and we can we can
- 16:19fight about that in the comments if you want. My second one is,
- 16:25never give a guy the chance to throw a fourth interception, never ever,
- 16:32ever, ever. I don't care who it is or what kind of day
- 16:33he's having. If he throws a third interception, you pull him. The
- 16:40next guy's up because for whatever reason, the defense has figured something out or
- 16:45his confidence is completely gone. I don't care who it is. I don't
- 16:49care if he's thrown for five hundred yards already that game. If he throws
- 16:53a third pick, sit him down. I'd like to point out two things.
- 16:59Number One, just to reiterate what you've said, you texted me because
- 17:04we were watching in separate places because it was Christmas even anyways, you texted
- 17:10me after Mullins threw his third and said exactly that, don't ever give a
- 17:15guy the opportunity to throw four picks. Take him out. And obviously the
- 17:18Vikings didn't when he threw that game ceiling fourth interception. You screenshot at your
- 17:26text and sent it back to me and said, see, and I agreed
- 17:30with you wholeheartedly. The one thing that I would like to say, just
- 17:36playing Devil's advocate a little bit, is I'm pretty sure Kirk Cousins threw four
- 17:41interceptions in one of the first three games of the season. How did the
- 17:44first three games of the season go? We lost, But I mean,
- 17:47I guess the point I'm trying to make is we've talked about the length of
- 17:51the leash that you give these guys. Kirk Cousins I think has to have
- 17:56a much longer leash than a Nick Mullins. He throws for you just kind
- 18:02of got to keep rolling with it unless he's hurt. Yeah, but I
- 18:06mean, we saw it in the forty nine Ers Ravens game last night.
- 18:11I don't know if you watched it much. Brock Purdy got pulled. Well,
- 18:15it was I think the motivation of him coming out of the game was
- 18:18absolutely for injury. He needed to come out. I don't know what it
- 18:22was. If he was in the concussion protocol. He had to come out.
- 18:27He got hit and he had to come out. And I think that
- 18:32drive ended with Sam Darnold leading the Niners to a touchdown, and at that
- 18:38point the game seemed to open up. This is now a Niners podcast,
- 18:42I guess for the next minute. And then you know, the offense was
- 18:48on the sideline. The TV announcers were saying, like, who's going to
- 18:51go in? And they showed Shanahan talking to Brock Purty. Shanahan had his
- 18:56his mouth covered with his play call, but perty he he was being told
- 19:00some disappointing news. You could tell by his face, and it for a
- 19:06minute seemed like the Sam Donald switch was gonna work in that game. So
- 19:12even if you are someone who this year, before that game, brock Perty
- 19:17he was in the MVP conversation, I think now he's he's kind of inched
- 19:22his way out of that conversation after last night. But yeah, his leash
- 19:27got to the end of it, and ultimately, I think, like I
- 19:30said, it was a decision motivated by injury. But then it was easy
- 19:33to say, now we're gonna stick with with the hot hand at the moment,
- 19:37which was Sam Darnald. It is Sam right. Yeah, But yeah,
- 19:45like you said, Kirk had a way longer leash, and I'm not
- 19:48sure. I don't know enough. You're probably right. Kirk may have thrown
- 19:52four picks I think in that game earlier in this season. I don't remember
- 19:56specifically, but yeah, you just you can't let someone get the chance to
- 20:03throw a fourth pick. I don't care if it's Tom Brady and he's already
- 20:07got ten passing touchdowns that game. Like, if you throw three, be
- 20:12done, sit down that day, try again the next one. I don't
- 20:15disagree with you. I think there are circumstances. There are players where you
- 20:23look past those things, and yeah, the Vikings were losing in the game
- 20:29that Kirk threw four picks. I can't remember which. I feel like it
- 20:32was one of the first three because we dropped the first three. Oh yeah,
- 20:37yeah it probably was, so it would have been the Bucks, the
- 20:41Eagles, or who do we play week three? I don't remember. Week
- 20:48one was the Bucks in the this place dead air is great. I'm not
- 20:56getting this right. Yeah, I don't remember. It was probably one of
- 21:00those first few games. Yeah, and it doesn't matter too much now.
- 21:03But I guess the point I'm trying to make again is I think it's all
- 21:08determined by the player. Nick Mullins is not a guy that you give that
- 21:14long of a leash to. And I absolutely agree with you. He should
- 21:19have come out after that third pick, truthfully, like he probably could have
- 21:23come out after the second pick, because he threw two horrendous picks the previous
- 21:29game and the one pick was kind of historically bad. Oh ye, like
- 21:34it'll go down as like butt fumble worthy interception almost. But yeah, he's
- 21:41a he's a career backup. He's proven that he's got this gun slinger mentality
- 21:47and it hasn't really worked out for him, other than I think late in
- 21:52the game when he was slinging it to JJ and if you just put it
- 21:56within five yards of JJ, he's going to go out and get it.
- 22:00Oh yeah, for the most part, unless somebody jumps in front of him
- 22:03because it's a terrible decision to throw that time at that point, or they
- 22:06spear him in the side and he has to go to the hospital. Oh
- 22:08yeah, because Mullins threw him that ball too, didn't he And no,
- 22:14that was Josh Dobbs. That was to him. Well regardless, I think
- 22:18both of those guys have proven that their career backups, they're they're maybe gonna
- 22:25get another opportunity somewhere. Yeah, maybe, well so. I think a
- 22:30guy like Mullins, he he is a good player as a second string quarterback.
- 22:38He can come in and be sufficient. It's just he has proven in
- 22:45you know, his short tenure with the Vikings and the rest of his career.
- 22:49He he's not good when he's QB one, when he's the guy when
- 22:55it's all week, you know, he's getting all the reps. When he
- 22:57is the one that has to lead the team and know everything, and you
- 23:02know, be best friends with the coach and like he he's not great in
- 23:06that role. Where he has been successful is when it's like, oh,
- 23:10crap, Kirk's out, or you know, oh darn, QB one just
- 23:12went down, Nick warm up, like get in there out of nowhere?
- 23:17You know that. Could you go eight weeks without touching the field and then
- 23:21boom, you have to play most of a game. So he's proven he's
- 23:25good at that, and that is a legitimate position in the NFL. Not
- 23:30everyone is destined to be, you know, their position number one. I
- 23:34think i'd say the same about Alex Madison. He's always been good as the
- 23:38thunder as the change of pace to the RB one. I mean, in
- 23:42his case, it's been Dalvin Cook to you know, spell out the RB
- 23:48one when you need to. That's why Madison looked good and why it didn't
- 23:52seem so awful to you know, sign him and go into the season with
- 23:56him as RB one, because he's always looked decent and even in a few
- 23:59starts he always looked okay. But for whatever reason, this season, he
- 24:03has proven that he's not good as the guy the one to get the starter
- 24:10reps. And I don't know why that's different. But there's obviously something with
- 24:12that, at least with the quarterback position, and obviously the running back position
- 24:18too. But yeah, and I did look it up. And this is
- 24:22not to shove it in your face at all, because he made some good
- 24:25points. But Kirk the most he's the most interceptions he's thrown in a game
- 24:30this season is two. Really, Yeah, but and ESPN's not easy to
- 24:36look at right now. It's probably just a me thing. He may have
- 24:38had a game where he had a couple of fumbles and a couple of interceptions
- 24:42that I can't really see, but yeah, interception wise, he's thrown two
- 24:48picks in I guess just one game and that was against Carolina, and oddly
- 24:53enough, that's won where we said that was his poorest game at that point,
- 24:56and that was the first season. Yeah, I just think I've never
- 25:03been in an NFL quarterback. I've never been a quarterback. You know,
- 25:04most I can say is playing five hundred in the backyard, So I can't
- 25:08really say from experience. I just got to think after throwing three picks,
- 25:14like there's just got to be some kind of a like a mentality of like
- 25:18what's wrong with me? Especially if you don't, if you're not seeing things
- 25:22like obviously they picked it off because I missed this read. But if you're
- 25:26not seeing that, like, it's got to be so frustrating. And then
- 25:29you have to play differently, right, Like you have to go out on
- 25:32the field and almost be like mad and make even poorer decisions, which for
- 25:36a guy like Nick Mullins, he's a gunslinger, so he's already making think
- 25:40we saw that, yeah happen. And it almost seemed like the Lion's secondary
- 25:45was just kind of messing with him. Like there was that one interception.
- 25:48I can't remember which one it was. But the our favorite commentator, what's
- 25:56his name, Vilma, get that guy off TV, Jonathan Villa, he's
- 26:02he does have a smart defensive mind, and he pointed out that the Lions,
- 26:07I don't know if it was a corner or a safety, but one
- 26:11of the guys in the Lions secondary that was covering the route just kind of
- 26:17toyed with Mullins and then jumped in at the last second and picked them off.
- 26:22And yeah, and I mean that's if you're the Lions, that's your
- 26:26defensive game plan, like, hey, we've got this this backup guy in
- 26:30he's he's a gun slinger. Let's just let's force him to make some terrible
- 26:37mistakes. Yeah, they the Bengals did it last week. Let's let's make
- 26:41it hard for him this week. And that's what they did all day long,
- 26:45to the tune of four interceptions, which really really stings. We've spent
- 26:48a lot of time talking about that. But there were some other things in
- 26:55the game. The running game was quietly horrific. Totallyventeen yards on the ground
- 27:00for tuching, like completely gone. I think did Madison end up with positive
- 27:04yards because he at one point was two rushes for negative one yard His first
- 27:11rush I texted you because it was a one rush for negative two yards.
- 27:15I was like, oh, look another great run by Alex Madison. Yeah.
- 27:19It wasn't good and the defense didn't look great. They the first drive,
- 27:26I thought they looked really shaky and gave up a touchdown, which was
- 27:32the first opening drive touchdown they'd given up all season. And the Lions just
- 27:37looked like pros. I mean, they just walked down the field and put
- 27:42it in the end zone for six and it was easy and to kind of
- 27:47jump in for a second. To be clear, I think we can both
- 27:51say this. The Lions are a good team. Yeah. I mean,
- 27:53for sure, they're not the greatest show on turf, but I mean they're
- 27:56good. And we've been saying that for a while. It's clear to see
- 28:00they're not like a phony team this year. They're they're gonna do something.
- 28:06They might win a couple of games in the playoffs. Like I'm not saying,
- 28:08oh, the Lions are winning super Bowl, but like, they're good.
- 28:11So it's not surprising that this game ended up the way it did.
- 28:17It just it's very frustrating. I was messing around with that playoff machine again.
- 28:22Not I don't think I'll make another video, but we can talk about
- 28:27how the Vikings get into the playoffs, because I think that's a worthy conversation
- 28:33for later on. But the Lions, excuse me, the Lions still have
- 28:37a shot at the number one seed. Mm hmm. I mean, if
- 28:41San Francisco and Philly lose, which they have been they're not looking like the
- 28:47giants. Giants, they're not the New York Football giants, but they like
- 28:52juggernauts that they started off the season looking like, Yeah, they don't look
- 28:55amazing lately, they've they've shown their flaws and injured. He has kind of
- 29:00hit both teams a little bit. Yeah, the Niners were down to literally
- 29:03not having another offensive lineman to go in last night. If if somebody else
- 29:07went down, it would have been a tight end or something if somebody else
- 29:10went down. Yeah, the injuries have hit the league hard this year.
- 29:15Man high profile names too. Like there's always injuries, but like usually it's
- 29:22like, oh, somebody like Cam Akers gets hurt. He's a big name,
- 29:26but like not across the league. Everybody knows Kirk Cousins name. That's
- 29:30a big injury. Everybody knows Aaron Rodgers' name, like it started, that
- 29:33started off the whole season. Yeah he made it two plays into the year.
- 29:37Yeah, crazy, but yeah. Anyways, and the Vikings were not
- 29:41immune to the injury bug either. TJ. Hawkinson out pretty much indefinitely with
- 29:52ACL and mcl Yeah, right, that could be. That's gonna be an
- 29:56interesting storyline to keep tabs throughout this offseason because already my guess is he starts
- 30:03training camp on the physically unable to perform list. Maybe he misses, like
- 30:08he very well could miss a few games to start the season, could start
- 30:11the game on IR. Yeah, I start the season on IR. If
- 30:15you think about Adrian Peterson his two thousand yard season, that was the season
- 30:25immediately after he ended by tearing his ACL. That was the whole magic of
- 30:29the story is like, this guy is a monster, He's a physical freak,
- 30:33and nobody could have ever done this because he just tore his ACL and
- 30:38came back. And now he just did what only one other person has ever
- 30:42done, and that's rushed for that many yards in a season. And TJ.
- 30:48Hogginson tore his ACL on the same day twelve years later. So if
- 30:55it was that crazy for this Adrian Peterson, who everybody has always said as
- 31:00a physical freak and just a magical nightmare, you can't expect TJ. Hockinson
- 31:06to be back right away. I'm expecting him to miss a couple of games
- 31:11to start the year next year. Yeah, that'll be interesting. But he
- 31:14wasn't the only one that went down. Oh yeah, and Addison dj Wanam
- 31:18Makaya Blackman who Blackman came in with some like shoulder or something strap I don't
- 31:23know. I don't know what his injury even was coming into the game,
- 31:26but the secondary has already struggled with injury, so to see him go down
- 31:33was tough. It was just a really crummy game. Yeah for the Vikings
- 31:37injury wise, Did I see Addison's injury is gonna not be as crazy?
- 31:41I guess I didn't. I haven't really heard anything about Addison. I think
- 31:45Hockinson and Wanum are both out. Oh yeah, want Tom tores squad or
- 31:49something like that, like they're done. Yeah, he's he may never be
- 31:52the same guy again, because that's that's no small injury to have. Yeah,
- 31:57and I mean to that point Hawkinson too, Like, yeah, the
- 32:00ACL is not the career end or it used to be, but that's still
- 32:05not a great injury to get. Like, yeah, it'll be really interesting
- 32:10to see how these last two games of the season go, too, with
- 32:14a really depleted roster in general, and just probably a sense of I don't
- 32:22want to be over dramatic, but like a sense of the air out of
- 32:27the stadium, you know, like despair was the first word I could think
- 32:30of, Like what do you do now? Like how much can one locker
- 32:35room take? And how many speeches does KOC need to have to like keep
- 32:40these guys motivated, especially if you keep losing, and now as we sit
- 32:45and record on December twenty sixth, we have no idea who the starting quarterback
- 32:52is going to be in this this weekend against the Packers. Yeah, Koc
- 32:59said they're going to explore all options. To me, that includes exploring the
- 33:02idea of putting Dobbs back out there, which that seems crazy. I don't
- 33:07know. I don't Mullins just seemed like he's not the right answer. Jaren
- 33:14Hall, We've seen almost two full drives of him. I don't have an
- 33:19opinion on that. I just I don't know who's going to play. I
- 33:22think you put Hall in if your season is lost. I think if you
- 33:27go to Detroit and it's pretty certain that you're not going to make the playoffs,
- 33:31if the Vikings have dropped this coming game against the Packers at home on
- 33:36New Year's Eve, and I think Seattle and the Rams also win, and
- 33:44that kind of pushes the Vikings down in the playoff hopes a little bit,
- 33:49which again we can talk about that in a minute. But I think if
- 33:51you get to that Week eighteen game at Detroit and it's just like you have
- 33:57a three percent chance to make the playoff or something, like that, you
- 34:00need both the Rams and the Seahawks to lose and you have to win.
- 34:06You just you put Haul in and give him the keys, show me what
- 34:10you learned this season, and let's see what happens. To some extent,
- 34:15he's maybe interviewing for a backup job with the Vikings next year, or a
- 34:22backup job somewhere else next year. Yeah, regardless, I don't think the
- 34:29Vikings have a healthy quarterback at this moment that will be a starter potential next
- 34:36year. I think next year your starter is either Kirk Cousins if you somehow
- 34:42work out a good deal, which I don't know how i'd feel about that,
- 34:46just age and injury wise, or it's going to be a rookie or
- 34:51a free agent, Like it's not going to be one of the three guys
- 34:53currently in the loop for the starting job this coming week. Do you think
- 35:00I think we should talk about that for a second. Yeah. Sorry,
- 35:04my brain kind of like went three steps ahead, so I have to back
- 35:07up a little bit. So re signing Kirk, right, if we talk
- 35:13about that, probably gonna cost a lot and probably going to mean letting other
- 35:22guys walk. Then those are gonna be hard decisions to make. And the
- 35:28frustrating part about the NFL right now is you can't necessarily have your cake and
- 35:32eat it too, right Like, you have to make those tough decisions when
- 35:37it comes to the salary cap. But i've heard, I don't know concretely
- 35:42what this means, but I've heard the salary cap is on its way up.
- 35:45It always rises every year. I think there was one year maybe like
- 35:51twenty twenty one due to COVID or whatever. That was like the first year
- 35:54it didn't rise. But it always goes up a little bit, which they
- 35:59know they I'm sure whoever the money people are with every team, they know
- 36:04that they can expect a certain percentage of increased cap dollars and they probably plan
- 36:10out their contracts that way. But yeah, it always goes up a little
- 36:14bit. It's never anything that's like, oh, they just doubled the salary
- 36:17cap, like I think it's usually like five to ten percent more. So,
- 36:23I guess with all of that, if you're quasi think, thank goodness,
- 36:31I'm not. All Vikings fans are should be very glad that that's not
- 36:35That's the beauty of what we get to do. We get to just sit
- 36:37here and speculate and kind of pretend like we are in his chair for a
- 36:43moment, so I can take a turn as well. But if you're in
- 36:46his chair, what do you do next season? I mean, it depends
- 36:52on what you think you can do. If you think this team can continue
- 36:57that competitive rebuild and be someone to kind of hit reset and still be a
- 37:02contender, then I think all options are on the table. If your guy
- 37:07is Kirk. If you're like, nope, we are set everywhere else we
- 37:13can make the money work for one, two, three more years. Kirk's
- 37:16our guy. We're running. We're going for this championship with Kirk. Then
- 37:22if that's their mentality, they have to do it right, like they have
- 37:24to jump in and go for that full force. If they're thinking Kirk's not
- 37:30their guy, like just he's pretty old, which what thirty six thirty seven
- 37:37is pretty old as a quarterback. I think he's thirty six right now,
- 37:42thirty five or thirty six right now. I thought he was closer to Flacco's
- 37:45age for some reason, But no, no, no, no, he
- 37:47was because Flacco's thirty eight, right Oh. I don't know that I would
- 37:52have guessed older for Flacco but I'm not a Flacco expert. Flacco just to
- 37:57say his name one more time, or Flacco depending on how you say it.
- 38:00Yeah, who was calling him flocko? Who was the commentator? I
- 38:04don't know. Somebody was calling him that, But yeah, I think if
- 38:08their mentality is Kirk's not our guy. But we're still right there, We're
- 38:13still should be competing for the NFC North. This roster is really good outside
- 38:17of injury. The coaching's really good outside of the weird, terrible calls.
- 38:22Sometimes, if that's your mindset, then you try to jump all in with
- 38:28a proven commodity. Herbert from San Diego, not San Diego for his whole
- 38:34career from LA Maybe he's an option. You never know, I mean,
- 38:37you never know who's gonna maybe. I mean, shoot, Baker Mayfield's had
- 38:42a little bit of a resurgence in Tampa Bay this year, and I don't
- 38:45know what his contract looks like, if he's even gonna be a free agent.
- 38:49You wanted Bailey z Appy from New England, Yeah, for a little
- 38:53bit, for that one game. He got that one game. But I
- 38:57mean, you know, if your mindset is the quarterback, I feel like
- 39:00the Vikings have always been a quarterback away. And if that's your mindset and
- 39:05you're not confident in Cousins or Cousins is just way outside of your price range,
- 39:10then you got to jump in and get a guy like Herbert or somebody
- 39:15who's there. And if that's not your mindset either way, apparently there's some
- 39:22decent quarterbacks coming up in the draft. And a phrase I like to hear
- 39:27all the time. I think Eric Thompson says it on Twitter all the time.
- 39:30Go get your guys. Who cares what the media thinks, what the
- 39:34fans think if your guy is Pat Mahomes, Because when the Chiefs drafted Pat
- 39:40Mahomes, a lot of Chiefs fans were like, what the heck? This
- 39:45guy from Texas A and m like he's nothing, Like they just wasted a
- 39:49pick. What are they saying now? They're so glad that he's gifted three
- 39:53Super Bowl appearances to wins. I mean a lot of people were upset as
- 39:58Bills fans when they to Josh Allen famously not Jared Allen. That was a
- 40:06bad mix up last week, but like and even he's had some ups and
- 40:09downs. But I think most Bills fans are saying oh Man. Yeah,
- 40:14thank goodness they got Josh Allen. I don't know. So if the Vikings
- 40:19have their guy and I don't even know. I know Caleb Williams and the
- 40:24kid from LSU, and I think, don't the bo Nicks from from Jaden
- 40:30Daniels Jaden? Is that the LSU kid? Yeah, I don't. I
- 40:34don't know the names enough, but I know there's some people out there.
- 40:37I mean, even JJ McCarthy with Michigan for our friend Forrest. Yeah.
- 40:43If the Vikings have nailed down and they think, hey, JJ McCarthy is
- 40:47the guy, he's gonna fit so perfectly, then they have to do everything
- 40:51to get him or whoever that is. I just that's why me not answering
- 40:58this question in a three minute answer is why the Vikings are so glad that
- 41:01I'm not the GM. You are every armchair quarterback and every keyboard cowboys like
- 41:08worst enemy because you just circled around it for like three minutes and never gave
- 41:15a direct answer. But that's okay. I respect what you've said, and
- 41:16I think I think nothing you've said is wrong. And yeah, we're not
- 41:22in their shoes, but I think every fan is entitled to their opinion.
- 41:29Oh that's why. I mean, we're fans. We put so much desire
- 41:32into this, so much of our life, you know, our neighborhood into
- 41:38this. And you also pointed out it's so complex because it's not just about
- 41:43one player, right, it's not just about like you mentioned, Yeah,
- 41:46maybe the Vikings are just one quarterback away, but we had the quarterback last
- 41:50year and our defense was terrible. Yeah, we're the worst defense in the
- 41:52league. And now we started this year with arguably a terrible team all the
- 41:59way around, and somehow got it figured out mid way through the season and
- 42:01won five games in a row despite losing our quarterback and all the time the
- 42:07best player in the league and JJ. So anyways, I'll give you one
- 42:13hot take. I'll take it of mine. I want you to give me
- 42:15a hot take too, Okay, without getting into the weeds of all the
- 42:22complexities of who has to stay and who has to go and is there going
- 42:28to be enough space in the salary cap and blah blah blah. I think
- 42:31you bring back Kirk Cousins. That's my hot take. I don't think that.
- 42:37I don't think that's the controversial take. It's not, and it's probably
- 42:40a little bit conservative, actually, but Kirk himself is conservative. I'm a
- 42:46fairly conservative guy. But I think all of those things aside. I think
- 42:52he's proven that he can play at a high level, and he was he
- 42:57was already silencing the doubters, and even now going into week seventeen, he
- 43:02still sits a top quarterbacks in terms of a lot of statistical things after not
- 43:09having played since Week five or whatever it was, was like we eight whatever
- 43:14whenever most of the Packer game, that's right, whenever he went down,
- 43:16but like he played half the season basically and then went down, and he's
- 43:22still up there in terms of stats for quarterbacks. And I think this was
- 43:28the year that he really started to silence those doubters. I think he deserves
- 43:31at minimum a one year extension. I don't even know what the going rate
- 43:37is for a quarterback right now. I think at one courter, signing him
- 43:40for one year is probably going to look somewhere around thirty five to forty million,
- 43:45and that may be a conservative number. Sorry, keep going, well,
- 43:50I'm basically done. I just I think he played well enough to bring
- 43:55him back for a year. Yep, he's getting older, Yep. The
- 44:00Hill's injuries really suck. But you know that he's going to attack rehab.
- 44:05You know he already has attacked rehab, and we know that he wants to
- 44:10come back and play. He's not going to retire, and he's been very
- 44:15vocal about wanting to come back and play for the Vikings. If you have
- 44:17a guy who plays well, who is a leader, a captain on and
- 44:24off the field, I mean, even JJ said it in his postgame interview.
- 44:28He said it in a way that didn't really throw Mullins under the bus,
- 44:31but made it very clear who he would like to see under center and
- 44:37who he wants to be catching passes from, and that's Kirk Cousins. So
- 44:43he's going to get money too. We know that he's going to get a
- 44:46new contract. JJ is that is so I think you prioritize those two and
- 44:54see what happens. Yeh, all right, so you asked for a hot
- 44:57take. I appreciate yours. I as a fan, wouldn't be mad if
- 45:02what you just said happened. If they got Kirk back for thirty five forty
- 45:08million for one year, he'd probably sign like a two year deal or something
- 45:13like that. He's very savvy. There's no question about that. Dustin Baker
- 45:17outlined that a few episodes ago. He's gonna get his money, and good
- 45:22for him. I'll say it for the thousandth time. Every player should try
- 45:25to get every dime they can while they're playing. That includes Kirk. He
- 45:31would be good. He's a good quarterback. And if he came back from
- 45:35that injury, the Viking is going to do their homework. They're not gonna
- 45:37be like, hey, Kirk, are you healed and just take his word
- 45:38for it like he's They're gonna make sure he's good before signing him. You're
- 45:44gonna have some competition because unless they re sign him before the end of the
- 45:49season, I mean, he's gonna be a free agent. Like the way
- 45:52his contract has worked out, they can't franchise him even if they wanted to.
- 45:58They would have to resign him before his deal ends. And it ends
- 46:02like it voids out before the official end of the season or whenever the quote
- 46:07unquote league year ends, like I think it's March thirty first, Yeah,
- 46:10he will have and I think it's like March tenth that his contract is void.
- 46:17And I don't know why they do that. For probably for like cap
- 46:20reasons in future years or whatever. But he will be a free agent,
- 46:24even if only for five minutes, so you're gonna you could have competition to
- 46:29sign him, which only means more money. So if he is the starting
- 46:35quarterback for the Vikings next year, I'm okay, I'm happy. That just
- 46:38means they better go all in, like the future be you know, throw
- 46:45it out the window. It's all about that season because if you sign Kirk
- 46:51Cousins guys like Dalton Reisner, you're not gonna be able to resign guys like
- 46:57you know, unless they're willing to take a pay cut. Yeah, but
- 47:00they would have to be something like that, like you're you're just not gonna
- 47:04have enough money to go around for the future. You're gonna mortgage. You're
- 47:07gonna have something like the Saints did, where I think even now Drew Brees
- 47:13is one of the highest paid Saints, like or he had some weird crazy
- 47:17contract thing just to make it work for whatever year they had to make it
- 47:21work for. So it's just gonna be an all or nothing next year if
- 47:27they do re sign Kirk. And I'm not an expert, maybe I'm completely
- 47:30missing some flaw where it's like, yeah, it'll all work out, But
- 47:35I think you have to be able to sign JJ to a long term contract.
- 47:39You have to be able to sign Christian Derisaw to a long term contract.
- 47:43And I just in those two names, you're probably talking two hundred million
- 47:46dollars probably something like at least eighty million dollars guaranteed. And those are probably
- 47:52conservative numbers in their total next contracts. Yeah, it's gonna be tough,
- 47:59and it could equate for some dark years. But if twenty twenty four is
- 48:02the year, if it's like the Rams did a couple of years ago where
- 48:06they just bawled out and went all out and they got a Super Bowl,
- 48:09I'm not gonna complain at all. They could go they could not win a
- 48:13game for ten years if they get a super Bowl, Like I'm okay,
- 48:15who cares remember twenty twenty four? Like That's what I'll be saying. But
- 48:22yeah, I think so. My hot take would be to get a rookie,
- 48:30just thinking about move on from Kirk. Yeah, just thinking about the
- 48:35numbers. I like Kirk. He is a good quarterback. I've been a
- 48:37Kirk fan for a while. There was a weird moment probably like twenty twenty
- 48:40when I was like, this guy's not doing anything. He's making terrible decisions,
- 48:45he's not great. But then soon after I was convinced he wasn't the
- 48:49guy, he convinced everybody that he is the guy. And this year he
- 48:52was convincing the entire world, not just Vikings fans. So I'm happy if
- 48:59he's quarterback because he was doing good things. He was fun to root for.
- 49:05I don't know, I think he'd be somebody that I would enjoy spending
- 49:08time with, just because, like you said, he's a conservative guy.
- 49:12We're conservative guys. I just think we would get along. I'm not saying
- 49:15I think i'd be Kirk Cousin's friend, but he just seems like a good
- 49:20guy and he's a good quarterback, so I'd love it. But I think
- 49:23for the future of the franchise, it probably makes the most sense to move
- 49:30on and draft a quarterback number one, even if you have to trade multiple
- 49:34picks to get to a high first round pick, if you don't f it
- 49:38up the next couple of games and somehow get the fifth overall pick or something
- 49:42like that. But yeah, I think it probably should be should be a
- 49:49rookie so that you can keep your guys. We are on opposite sides of
- 49:54the thing. Is it's interesting. I'd be so happy if it was Kirk
- 49:58again. I'd be concerned after the announcement, like is he healed? Is
- 50:02it gonna be a rough, rough first part of the season until he finally
- 50:07gets his feet under him. He's not a mobile guy totally, so him
- 50:13not being able to run one hundred miles an hour isn't a huge deal.
- 50:16But yeah, there's a lot of question marks. What'll be really interesting will
- 50:22be watching Aaron Rodgers. I don't think we'll see Aaron Rodgers playing a game
- 50:25this year. No, the Jets are already mathematically eliminated. They're not gonna
- 50:31put him in. But didn't you already have a quote like a week or
- 50:35two ago, like, yeah, if we were closer, probably he I
- 50:39mean, he just tells everything to Pat McAfee, but he's always also super
- 50:44guarded at the same time, who knows what those guys talk about when the
- 50:47cameras aren't rolling. But anyways, I think not in game, but like
- 50:53you know, he's gonna post some sort of like workout video or something with
- 51:00him, you know, doing a three step drop, planting his foot and
- 51:04just throwing an absolute dime to somebody. If he posted a video of him
- 51:08doing a box jump, that would be the next three days of ESPN coverage,
- 51:13Like, yeah, for sure, I'm sure he's already done it.
- 51:15Yeah, and there's just no footage of it, or he's been very careful
- 51:21with how he wants to release that footage to maximize his screen time and the
- 51:27fact that sports media is just infatuated with him. But anyways, it I
- 51:32think it will be interesting to see how he progresses because he's just a little
- 51:37bit ahead of Kirk in terms of the injury and the recovery. And you
- 51:44know that Aaron Rodgers is going to do everything that he can to get back
- 51:47on the field. Oh yeah next year. I mean, I think if
- 51:51push came to shove, they'd put him in tomorrow. Yeah, but that's
- 51:57not I mean, the Jets would have to be they're they're not. Yeah,
- 52:00they're not in a position to do that, so it doesn't make any
- 52:04sense. But if like the playoffs were on the line, shoot, you
- 52:07might see him in there, even if it wasn't for a full game,
- 52:12even if it was for a couple of drives, just to see if he
- 52:14can eke out a touchdown or two, give him the edge and then hand
- 52:17it over to Zach Wilson or whoever else see what happens. But I think
- 52:22it'll be interesting to see how he progresses in the off season and to see
- 52:28what comes out from his recovery, because we will see something, I'm sure
- 52:32from Rogers, Yeah, yes, and that may give us a little bit
- 52:37of insight into what we could expect from Kirk Cousins and how he'll progress and
- 52:43how he'll recover. And I would expect Kirk to attack his recovery with a
- 52:46similar tenacity, with a similar drive. Yes, I want to get back
- 52:52to the field. I want to play. That's the kind of guy he
- 52:55is. Yeah, just like we've said, he's like pretty sick and kind
- 53:00of ruthless in his contract negotiations. He's probably, to your point, going
- 53:05to take that same ruthlessness to his rehab. I mean, this is the
- 53:08biggest injury he's ever had. I don't know about like high school or anything,
- 53:13but like he's never had something this crazy. The biggest other detriment to
- 53:17his career was when he wasn't the starter, you know, like he's always
- 53:22been attacking everything to this is Kirk to get back and to get on the
- 53:28field. So I fully expect Kirk to be an NFL quarterback. He will
- 53:31play more football. Like this isn't it, It's just will it be for
- 53:36the Vikings. He did mention to kind of bring it back to him comparing
- 53:40to Aaron Rodgers. He was on Adam Schefter's podcast a week or two ago,
- 53:46within the last couple of weeks, and Kirk said Schefter asked him something
- 53:52like, yeah, hey, Rogers is starting to starting to peek up a
- 53:55little bit thinking he might he might play this season. What about you?
- 54:00Do you think that could be a possibility for you to come back this season?
- 54:04And Kirk said something like, yeah, my wife thinks I could be
- 54:07back. She's holding out hope. But like I mean, realistically, he
- 54:12said, the earliest I think I could come back would be around the time
- 54:15of the Super Bowl. And he even joked like, if the Vikings make
- 54:19it to the super Bowl, they probably don't want me to get in there
- 54:21because they've been playing so good in theory to make it that far, so
- 54:24why mess with a good thing. But then he said, like, realistically,
- 54:29Aaron's injury was about eight weeks before mine, So anything Aaron does is
- 54:36about eight weeks ahead of where I could be doing those similar things. So
- 54:39I think you're onto something. If we see, you know, beginning of
- 54:45March Aaron Rodgers posts that video where he throws a dime in some practice field
- 54:51setting to some unnamed wide receiver, you could think maybe beginning of May quote
- 54:58unquote or Kirk Cousins could kind of be doing similar things just based off the
- 55:05timeline. So I don't know theoretically could be back. I just know the
- 55:10Achilles is such a big injury. Yeah, it'll be It'll be interesting to
- 55:16see what plays out. And honestly, like you know, I agree with
- 55:21what you've said to coming all the way back to our original takes. You
- 55:25know, I think as a fan, I wouldn't be disappointed if we went
- 55:29out and got a guy in the first round of the drafts to replace Kirk.
- 55:36I mean, if JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix or Jayden Daniels or Caleb
- 55:42Williams or whoever is available when it's the Vikings turn to make their first round
- 55:45pick, I wouldn't be disappointed in that. I will be sad a little
- 55:52bit if Kirk leaves, if they let him go, that that will be
- 55:59a sad moment as a Vikings fan, because he's he's played really well and
- 56:02not just that, but he's just he's just a good guy. And you
- 56:06said it earlier. He's just easy to root for. You know that he's
- 56:10not the drama queen off the field that some of these other guys are.
- 56:15I mean, even just watching the Chiefs and watching Patrick Mahomes whine about everything,
- 56:21Oh my gosh, well Pat mahomes is reaction to that offside penalty they
- 56:28got a couple of weeks ago. It wasn't he didn't react like, oh
- 56:31yeah, I guess yeah, technically our guy was. He didn't even have
- 56:35the sportsmanship to like tell Josh Allen Josh Alan at the end of the game,
- 56:42like, hey man, you played great. Yeah, pat him on
- 56:44the back, like worst f and call I've ever seen at the end of
- 56:47the game on a off side or like yeah, like come on, man,
- 56:52if you break the rules, you should be penalized. Yeah, just
- 56:54like the Lions, you know, against the Vikings, they had a guy
- 57:00out of the field and then he ended up being the first guy to touch
- 57:02the ball. So they called it, you know, an incomplete pass because
- 57:07he was out of the field and didn't establish himself. But it should have
- 57:10been a penalty for illegal touching because he should not have been the first one
- 57:15to touch the ball. Again, I'm not a ref, but that seemed
- 57:20a little weird. We could go, we could have a whole nother hour
- 57:22long podcast on them. We've been talking for almost an hour already, and
- 57:25we could just sit here and talk about how awful the officiating was. That
- 57:29was the same crew from the helmet off games. What was it? Really?
- 57:35I didn't know that and I saw that on Twitter. It was the
- 57:37same crew that. What team was that? What guy was that that took
- 57:42his helmet off? The Chiefs? The Chiefs put your helmet back on.
- 57:45Yeah, that's a penalty, that's a personal foul, fifteen yard penalty and
- 57:51they just told him to put his helmet back on. Same crew that really
- 57:55really had an impact on the Lions and the Vikings. Yeah. I saw
- 58:01someone post the meme where it's the cartoon guy like pointing at himself in the
- 58:07mirror, and the meme was like, now you go out there and make
- 58:10this about yourself talking about the refs. Man, I hate complaining about the
- 58:19refs because I honestly I do think of the time is the ref see things
- 58:23and it's like, how did you even see that? And they usually make
- 58:25the right call, but man, it just felt personal against the Vikings on
- 58:30Sunday or Saturday. It did seem like there were a lot of calls that
- 58:36went against the Vikings and went in the Lions favor, which is really unfortunate.
- 58:43So a quick update on the playoff outlook. Yeah, so I pulled
- 58:52this from Dustin Baker. I think this is actually slightly different. But as
- 58:57of right now, well as of right now, when Dustin tweeted this,
- 59:00he said the Vikings playoff chances were twenty seven percent. I think that was
- 59:05before the Monday night games that happened on or the Monday games because they were
- 59:10they weren't just Monday Night. I think it's down to like fourteen percent as
- 59:16of right now recording this episode on Tuesday, December twenty sixth, So fairly
- 59:23low, about as low as it's been all season. Yeah, but you
- 59:29win the next two games regardless of what else happens. Ninety six percent.
- 59:36Yeah, but which sounds big if sounds easy, but the lines have already
- 59:42beaten you once, and the Packers aren't a bad team, no, especially
- 59:46lately. Yeah, they've really come on at the end of the season.
- 59:50So it's a tall task. If they just beat green Bay this coming week
- 59:55forty six percent, okay, so coin flip little less that. Ye,
- 1:00:00if you beat green Bay but then lose to Detroit, need a lot of
- 1:00:07help. Need You would need the Seahawks and the Rams, I think,
- 1:00:12to lose both games both weeks, which is highly unlikely. I actually I
- 1:00:20wrote this down because I thought this was interesting. So the Vikings of course
- 1:00:27have the Packers and the Lions week seventeen. Week eighteen, the Rams have
- 1:00:31the Giants and the Niners seventeen eighteen. So the Niners game, I think
- 1:00:43would be the one that the Vikings could hope that the Rams would lose.
- 1:00:51And then the Seahawks have the Steelers and the Cardinals to end the seasons.
- 1:00:57So the Steelers have looked better. Yeah, but but I don't know.
- 1:01:05So to get into the playoffs, for sure, the Vikings need to win
- 1:01:08both of their games, and they need the Rams and the Seahawks to lose
- 1:01:12at least Rams or Seahawks to lose at least once. It's not a both
- 1:01:16and it's just one of them needs to lose one of those games. So
- 1:01:23I think the most likely scenario is San Francisco beating the Rams week eighteen,
- 1:01:30which would be a really nail bier scenario for Vikings fans to be sitting there
- 1:01:34waiting to see if the Niners can pull it off. But yeah, and
- 1:01:39even then, the Niners did they won their division, didn't they. Yeah,
- 1:01:45they've clinched. They're fighting for seeding, but I mean that's about it
- 1:01:51true, and they're not fighting. Are they fighting for the number one seed?
- 1:01:52I don't know enough about all that, because that could be the thing.
- 1:01:55If the Niners need to win that last game to get the number one
- 1:02:00one seed, then yeah, we're definitely interested. I think if if I
- 1:02:04can. I'm not gonna speak one intelligently on this, but I think I'm
- 1:02:07close. I think the Rams, the Eagles, and the Lions are all
- 1:02:14still in play for that number one seed. I think the Cowboys. I
- 1:02:20don't think the Cowboys can get it, And I don't know who'd be the
- 1:02:27other team that would be buying for that. I don't think anybody I think
- 1:02:31it's just I think it's the the Niners, the Eagles, and the Lions.
- 1:02:37I think those are the only three teams that can secure that number one
- 1:02:42seed. So yeah, and it'll really come down to these last two games,
- 1:02:46and you could be right. The Niners might not have anything to play
- 1:02:51for. They might have everything to play for. So that number one seed
- 1:02:54is huge. And if you I mean we mentioned it earlier, if Brock
- 1:02:59Purties not one hundred percent, number one seed in a bye could be huge.
- 1:03:04Yeah. I think that was mostly I don't know who's going to beat
- 1:03:07the Ravens. I think they are the team to beat this year. I
- 1:03:10think they punched their ticket into being the team to beat this year after playing
- 1:03:15last night. They just I don't I don't know who's going to beat them.
- 1:03:21Well, that's the difference too, between the NFC and the AFC,
- 1:03:22I believe, if I'm again, I've really only paid attention to the NFC
- 1:03:28and how it affects the Vikings. But I think the Ravens are the only
- 1:03:31team that's clinched in the AFC clinched a playoffs. Oh okay, I think
- 1:03:37they and they're currently the number one I believe, and they're the only team
- 1:03:42that has clinched. No other AFC team has clinched. Every other all of
- 1:03:46those other six spots are still very much up in the air. So interesting.
- 1:03:52Yeah, I could be wrong. If I'm wrong, somebody out there
- 1:03:58correct me. I'm willing to admit that I'm wrong. But all of that
- 1:04:02to say, the playoffs are still very much in view for the Vikings.
- 1:04:08Yeah, they have to win and they need a little help. It's not
- 1:04:11a lot of help. It's not like they're going to be, you know,
- 1:04:16poking voodoo dolls of different teams and you know, doing all sorts of
- 1:04:21weird things to you know, hopefully try to squeak into that number seven seed
- 1:04:26or whatever. Like they need Seattle or La to lose one game in the
- 1:04:33last two, and they need to win. They have to win both.
- 1:04:36Well, they have to essentially have to win both. They have to win
- 1:04:41both, no matter what I think. Yeah, I mean, you could
- 1:04:45win one and get a ton of help elsewhere, but yeah, you gotta
- 1:04:49you gotta win both. And that's why this quarterback decision is so huge.
- 1:04:55And maybe with that mindset they do go with, they know a little bit
- 1:04:59more about what they have with Mullins. They feel like they know what they
- 1:05:02have with Dobbs. They went as far as to make him all the way
- 1:05:06the emergency quarterback. So maybe that's your motivation and starting Hall, but I
- 1:05:14don't know. It feels like there is no right answer. So, yeah,
- 1:05:17gotta win both. Gotta figure out a way to win both when you
- 1:05:20have all these injuries piling up and they're gonna have two more roster spots open
- 1:05:27because they're putting Hockinson and want them on injury reserve. So maybe there's something
- 1:05:31they can do there. I don't know who's available, who can help.
- 1:05:36I don't know. It's just it seems hopeless right now, and Hockinson news
- 1:05:41today made it seem even more hopeless. Yeah, hopefully we're still rooting for
- 1:05:47a playoff spot come this time next week. I think no turnovers is huge,
- 1:05:56been the story all season. Can't turn the ball over if you do
- 1:06:00lose and we're basically done. I think the running game has to improve.
- 1:06:05Oh yeah, it looked so good against the Bengals. Yeah, yep,
- 1:06:10first one hundred yard rusher of the season. I think, yeah, so
- 1:06:14we got to improve there. You can't run for seventeen yards and expect to
- 1:06:18win a game, even in a pass happy league like the NFL. Yeah,
- 1:06:25I think you got to get the ball to JJ, I think,
- 1:06:27which wasn't an issue. Well, he got his numbers and he didn't get
- 1:06:30them until the third or fourth quarter though, Yeah, well he had that
- 1:06:33he was That was it at right at the beginning of the second half or
- 1:06:38in the second quarter, that big touchdown because you were texting me like they
- 1:06:41might make a quarterback change and then boom, you're like, oh, I
- 1:06:45was kidding. I think that was in the third quarter, because I think
- 1:06:47leading up to halftime, I'm like, man, Mullins is not playing great.
- 1:06:51I think he already had two of his picks before halftime, and that's
- 1:06:56kind of when I started to just think, like, man, they have
- 1:07:00to KOs. He has to think about making a change at some point.
- 1:07:04And then all of a sudden, they come out of the locker room in
- 1:07:08the third quarter and it's just Mullin's throwing bullets to JJ, and so you
- 1:07:15have to get the ball to him, and you know he's going to be
- 1:07:17just draped in coverage wherever he goes. Well, shoot, what was it
- 1:07:21that late third down? Play third and long, like twenty ish yards long,
- 1:07:28and he had a buffalo like catch. That catch will get forgotten unfortunately
- 1:07:33because it was in a loss. But it was right at the first down
- 1:07:36marker. I was almost kind of worried they wouldn't mark it as a first
- 1:07:40down when he went up double covered and he got speared. Yeah, well
- 1:07:45he got hit hard, well, and there was a play that he got
- 1:07:48absolutely demolished I think a few plays later, and immediately stood right back up
- 1:07:54and it was who wasn't Joseph? Who wasn't for the Lions that made the
- 1:07:59hit? He was round and he got pulled out and he came back in
- 1:08:01for a couple of plays, and then they stopped the game again to have
- 1:08:04him pulled out again, like the NFL might have some the Eye in the
- 1:08:09sky was looking at him like, yeah, he needs to come out.
- 1:08:12Well, I think he came out, and then he tried to get on
- 1:08:15the field himself and didn't tell anybody, and then they whistled to play dead
- 1:08:19before he could get on the field because they knew he was trying to get
- 1:08:23on and wasn't cleared to get back on. Well, and if you look
- 1:08:26at that big demolishing hit on JJ. It was a big hit, and
- 1:08:31he's probably feeling pretty sore. But if you pay attention, you're you're feeling
- 1:08:35okay. That's he's not like concussed or broken bones. Like it was a
- 1:08:42borderline legal hit. It was just yeah, just more of the defenseless receiver
- 1:08:48aspect of it. But I don't know five years ago that wouldn't have been
- 1:08:53flagged, Like yeah, but yeah, and JJ, I know it was
- 1:08:57probably adrenaline and wanting to it seemed like he's actually one hundred percent okay.
- 1:09:01He got right back up and he popped back up and was kind of john
- 1:09:06at the other guy. Oh yeah, it was a little bit. Yeah,
- 1:09:09you hit me hard, but I made the catch yea and fifteen more
- 1:09:12yards like yeah, yep. But so I hope he's okay. I don't
- 1:09:15I didn't pay attention. If the injury report came out, that would have
- 1:09:18been tomorrow, the first one. Yeah, it won't come out till tomorrow
- 1:09:21because we're recording early today. Yeah, but I haven't heard anything about him
- 1:09:25being hurt. He played the rest of the game, was inches away from
- 1:09:29making the game tying touchdown catch that could have been the game winning extra point?
- 1:09:38What about the Packers? Do we think the Vikings have a chance.
- 1:09:44I thought you were about to have. Well, I mean, I was
- 1:09:45just kind of giving my keys to the game. We talked about turnovers,
- 1:09:50better run game, getting the ball to JJ. My last one would be
- 1:09:56better blitz packages. And this was something I picked up from Ben Lieber as
- 1:10:00he kind of debriefed the game both on his personal Twitter and then in the
- 1:10:05between the lines that the Vikings media team does after every game, and he
- 1:10:12just kind of picked apart the blitz packages that Flora's was sending, and it
- 1:10:16seemed like they just weren't as clever as they have been, and the Lions
- 1:10:25just had them figured out, and it took too long for the blitzes to
- 1:10:29develop. It, Like, you know, the guys coming in from deep
- 1:10:31were we're coming into early and then sitting at the line waiting for the ball
- 1:10:38to be snapped and that gave away the blitz or you know whatever else.
- 1:10:42I don't understand defense as well, so I can't really pretend to know what
- 1:10:46I'm talking about there, But like what Ben Leeber said seemed to make sense,
- 1:10:50And when I look back and watch the game, it's like, well,
- 1:10:53yeah, it did seem like Jared Goff and the Lions knew when those
- 1:10:59blitz as were coming, and they knew how to adapt, and they knew
- 1:11:01how to do you know, a little screenplayer, a little dink and dunk
- 1:11:05over the middle, or you know, take the shot downfield when they knew
- 1:11:10everybody was coming off the line and they had single coverage down the field on
- 1:11:15Saint Brown or whoever. You know. Like, so, I think the
- 1:11:18defense has to improve, and we said it early on in the episode two.
- 1:11:23The defense didn't look amazing. It didn't look like the shutout defense against
- 1:11:28the Raiders that we saw a few weeks ago. It didn't even look like
- 1:11:30the defense against the Bengals really, Like I felt like they maybe played a
- 1:11:33better game against Cincinnati than they played against Detroit. So I think meltdown,
- 1:11:40there are some things. Well, yeah, it was really only the fourth
- 1:11:44quarter or the third quarter, was it the third quarter they gave like midway
- 1:11:47through the third quarter it started melting down against the Bengals. Yeah. So
- 1:11:51anyways, it's just been a bad stretch for the Vikings defense. I think
- 1:11:56they need to iron some of those things out, and if they can do
- 1:12:00that, the Packers aren't a perennial powerhouse. They've proven that Jordan Love has
- 1:12:05started to figure some things out, but he's still a young quarterback who's had
- 1:12:10to sit behind Aaron Rodgers for how many years now. I think the defense
- 1:12:15that's gonna be the key. If you're gonna win this game against the Packers,
- 1:12:17you're gonna need to make Jordan Love's day miserable. Which here's an interesting
- 1:12:24wrinkle for us. We play each other in Fantasy this year. Well,
- 1:12:31we're playing for fifth place, so that we're in the consolation bracket. I'm
- 1:12:39just playing for as high of a spot as i can get. But Jordan
- 1:12:41Love's my starting quarterback. You're you hey, guys, next episode, it's
- 1:12:46just gonna be me talking. Evan can no longer be a part of the
- 1:12:50skull Hop if he starts a freaking Packer at his quarterback position and it's not
- 1:12:57even Aaron Rodgers, that's like Sam Howell. I'd go with hurt. With
- 1:13:02there was a bye week in there, Jaron Hall'll pick up whoever the Viking
- 1:13:09was starting. I'm sure they're all available here. Here's what I'll say on
- 1:13:14that front. I would be more than happy to take sixth place if it
- 1:13:19means that Jordan Love has a miserable game, I just I can't believe I
- 1:13:26would. I think I have in that league two pretty decent quarterbacks. I
- 1:13:30will trade you one just so that you you can let's make that happen,
- 1:13:36and we'll screenshot it and we'll put it out there. And I'm the commissioner,
- 1:13:40so there is no whining at that so you can push the deal through
- 1:13:44under the table. Yeah, there was one point in this season. I
- 1:13:46think in our league it had to have been because that's the only one.
- 1:13:50I'm the commissioner of somebody who is a die hard shoot what is he?
- 1:13:59Dolphins fan? I have Tua on my roster and they were playing I think
- 1:14:08Mahomes, like the Dolphins in real life, were playing against the Chiefs and
- 1:14:14his quarterback was Mahomes and he was saying, like, you know, I'm
- 1:14:18a Dolphins fan. I can't en good faith in fantasy start Mahomes. Would
- 1:14:25anybody want to trade me for one week a quarterback so that I don't have
- 1:14:29to have that on my conscience? And I was like, you know what,
- 1:14:32Fine, he reached out. He's like, hey, Tua for Mahomes
- 1:14:35for one week and then trade back after that week. I was like,
- 1:14:40you know, I can respect being a diehard fan like that. So I
- 1:14:44did it, and I needed a little bit of my commissioner powers to push
- 1:14:47it through. But yeah, for one week, I traded away Tua and
- 1:14:51got Mahomes. I didn't even start Mahomes. I don't remember if I won
- 1:14:55that week or if he won that week, but after the games we swapped
- 1:14:59right back. So yeah, some people would be mad about that. And
- 1:15:02if it were a money league, I would have never done that because that
- 1:15:05just seems shady. But this is just a fun league. Like I said,
- 1:15:11it's just for fun. So I can't believe you're starting and you had
- 1:15:15Aaron Jones on your roster all season trader. He's been hurt most of the
- 1:15:20all week. Yeah good, I mean sorry, I mean I don't want
- 1:15:24anybody to actually get injured, but darn it, you can't have a patter
- 1:15:28on your roster fantasy. I mean, all of that was ruined for me
- 1:15:31when Brett Farv became a Viking. Like before that, there was this glass
- 1:15:38ceiling that had never been shattered of, Like Brett fav is the worst human
- 1:15:42being on the face of the planet. I hate his guts. I never
- 1:15:45want to see him again. And then all of a sudden he becomes a
- 1:15:47Viking and he wins a few games, and then he leads you to the
- 1:15:50NFC Championship and you're like, I love that guy. You know that.
- 1:15:55We've talked about kind of putting some recording some episodes and having them in the
- 1:15:59can for off season weeks where we don't have games to talk about. We
- 1:16:02could just put out one of the pre recorded episodes. Maybe that whole two
- 1:16:08thousand and nine season could be a good talker. Funny for us because we
- 1:16:12were in college together that year, living in the same dorm, Like,
- 1:16:18we watched a lot of games together. Launched that NFC Championship game, the
- 1:16:25bounty Gate game. Yeah, and that was the one year I subscribed.
- 1:16:30iTunes did like this whole fan pass thing where you could pay It was like
- 1:16:36twenty bucks at the beginning of the season, and it collected after every game.
- 1:16:44It collected like five minutes of highlights from the game and then a couple
- 1:16:50of highlights of press conferences for after the game, and then it pushed it
- 1:16:56out, you know, that night after the game or the next morning.
- 1:17:00So it was like, hey, if you missed anything or if you want
- 1:17:02to keep following along. And I think it was on my iTunes from two
- 1:17:08thousand and nine and I still have that. That could be something we could
- 1:17:11like watch and then record a recap that would of two thousand and nine.
- 1:17:15I'd be interested in that. I didn't know you had that. It's cool
- 1:17:17if I didn't even know. That's fun to watch. Yeah, I'll have
- 1:17:20to. I'll find it and I'll send if I can. I'll send you
- 1:17:24some stuff that would be fun. Well, we should probably wrap this up
- 1:17:28because these are getting pretty low. Yeah, and uh, we're we've been
- 1:17:32talking for a while. Yeah, hopefully hopefully people have been listening. Yeah,
- 1:17:38and we haven't said anything to make people encouraged for the rest of the
- 1:17:42season, but maybe we kind of took the took the sting out of that
- 1:17:46loss. There's still there's still a shred of hope. There is a glimmer
- 1:17:51of hope, and I want them to win. I'm never going to be
- 1:17:55lose for a draft pick. Guy, I'm intrigued by the idea, but
- 1:17:58I want to watch my team win, Like even in the preseason, I
- 1:18:01want to watch my team win, So we got two more chances at least,
- 1:18:06let's make that happen. My kids want ice cream. They haven't had
- 1:18:10victory ice cream for weeks. Now give the kids the ice cream. I
- 1:18:15going to cake. Come on, I'm not going to cave and give them
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- 1:20:00Yeah, this was fun. It was fun to exchange some gifts and
- 1:20:03drink some good beer and talk about the Vikings. Even though it's been hard
- 1:20:09to be a Vikings fan the last couple of weeks, this has always been
- 1:20:13good therapy for me, Even before we started with the podcasts and the microphones
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- 1:20:26hopefully it's the same for yeah, all of our many listeners out there as
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