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Embracing the Power of "No": Spiritual Insights and Personal Boundaries · Eye Opener Society

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Speaker0: Hi, everyone, and welcome back to the Eye Opener Society. I'm so glad you can
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Speaker0: join us and so happy for all the listeners out there.
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Speaker0: Again, I don't know how to really thank you other than to say thank you. It's been really great.
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Speaker0: It's been difficult for me because, again, I don't have my co-host with me, Hannah.
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Speaker0: It's going to be a while before she's able to come back on the show.
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Speaker0: And so it's been
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Speaker0: difficult to sit here and try and do a podcast talking to
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Speaker0: myself again like I used to uh so I've been
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Speaker0: trying new things and you know doing quickie podcasts I'm gonna start probably
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Speaker0: doing those on the regular platform doing like 10 minute shows for everybody
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Speaker0: um with some sort of theme or topic but I've had the support of uh Ann Lund
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Speaker0: she done uh an episode with me as a co-host.
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Speaker0: I'm going to have Elaine from Arcane Oracle doing a podcast with me as a co-host.
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Speaker0: And then hopefully I could do Sunset Child. The only problem I have with Sunset
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Speaker0: Child is the fact that her and I are so much alike and there's so many thoughts going on in our head.
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Speaker0: If we sat and recorded, we will probably record an entire three-week episode.
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Speaker0: So we got to kind of get it shortened down to 20 minutes.
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Speaker0: So what I have in store For tonight, I have another guest co-host,
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Speaker0: and if you've listened to the show long enough, we did an episode with Tea Leaf
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Speaker0: Readings in the Valley, and the owner is Jen, and she's really great.
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Speaker0: I really love her energy, and her show still gets a lot of listens,
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Speaker0: especially on YouTube, and that's great because that's what I wanted on the first episode, but...
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Speaker0: I did a quickie podcast on our social media Facebook page, and it was about
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Speaker0: being spiritual, supporting people, but you can still say no.
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Speaker0: And Jen kind of commented, and
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Speaker0: she said, maybe you should do a show about this. I said, maybe I should.
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Speaker0: And maybe you should be a guest on that show. So here she is,
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Speaker0: the wonderful Jen from Tea Leaf Readings in the Valley.
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Speaker0: I want to welcome back to the show, Jen. Jen, how are you?
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Speaker1: I'm good. I'm good. So that word, no, that's a pretty, it's a pretty small word,
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Speaker1: but it has like a really big meaning, right?
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Speaker1: I mean, I know from just being around in the spiritual community,
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Speaker1: you, you hear people say it's a negative thing.
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Speaker1: Like it has like some negative connotation that you shouldn't be able to say no.
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Speaker1: You should just go with the flow and say yes to everything.
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Speaker1: And that's just sometimes really
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Speaker1: not a good thing
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Speaker1: because it doesn't align with who you are with your morals
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Speaker1: your values your energy I mean
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Speaker1: sometimes the things that people think are okay for them are not okay for you
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Speaker1: and and it's okay to say no and a lot of people in the spiritual community I
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Speaker1: know um sometimes probably feel guilted into saying yes but about some things like Like,
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Speaker1: yeah, sure. Why not? And.
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Speaker0: Yeah. And when I did that quickie podcast and again, I appreciate you putting,
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Speaker0: you know, you're coming in there and wanting to talk more about this because
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Speaker0: then it opens up conversation.
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Speaker0: I certainly when I did that quickie, it was.
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Speaker0: What I had in the back of my mind at that time, there's a few people I know
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Speaker0: that work in the spiritual community and they do like Reiki healing and stuff like that.
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Speaker0: And they always say, here's your schedule. Here's, you know,
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Speaker0: we'll set you up on an appointment.
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Speaker0: And they say, if I call you to cancel because I don't, I want to be in the right
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Speaker0: frame of mind or something.
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Speaker0: And you call me if you're not in the right frame of mind. These are people that
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Speaker0: I trust more because you need to put a lot of physical, spiritual energy into this.
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Speaker0: And if you're slightly off, that's bad for your client that's coming in.
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Speaker0: So those are the people I respect because, yes, you can say no,
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Speaker0: and there's nothing wrong with that.
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Speaker0: And I'm glad you picked up on that, you know, meaning and the thoughts behind
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Speaker0: that. So, like, you listen to that. You know, what came to your mind first?
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Speaker1: Oh my brain i just went
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Speaker1: into like a million a million first off
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Speaker1: like you know the word no i mean
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Speaker1: as a woman when you say no
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Speaker1: sometimes people will think that you're you're lazy
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Speaker1: you're mean you're incompetent um
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Speaker1: that you're just the
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Speaker1: debbie downer of of anything that goes um
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Speaker1: in the spiritual um aspect
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Speaker1: when i hear no um i'm like
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Speaker1: okay that's a boundary that i'm not going to cross because
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Speaker1: they're not comfortable but when you say it
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Speaker1: as like a reader people assume they have this
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Speaker1: misconception that readers and healers are
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Speaker1: the same thing that's not true you can be a reader and just read and have your
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Speaker1: messed up life over there and still be able to help people with advice healers
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Speaker1: they're they're on a whole other level you know like able to help so
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Speaker1: i know that a lot of people when when you say no to something that someone really wants done
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Speaker1: they can kind of be aggressive and i think a lot of people want to avoid the
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Speaker1: conflict they don't want to be criticized they don't want to be um
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Speaker1: Rejected and i think a lot of spiritual people think that if they say no about
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Speaker1: something that they're gonna get um a lot of pushback and they're gonna have
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Speaker1: people saying things that maybe aren't true or are true and but in a really
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Speaker1: negative way and it makes them look
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Speaker1: not so good right
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Speaker0: And i think too um even beyond healers and readers and all a lot of time people
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Speaker0: are going to have problems or issues that they want to bring to you.
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Speaker0: And sometimes just being open and spiritual, you'll feel that and you don't
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Speaker0: want that energy around you.
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Speaker0: And in a kind way, you just say, I cannot help you.
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Speaker0: Or I don't feel like being in the middle of that or given any kind of advice
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Speaker0: because you feel that that negative energy may create negative energy within yourself.
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Speaker0: So it's not bad to turn somebody away in a decent, kind way.
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Speaker0: Listen, I understand your issues.
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Speaker0: I understand what's going on. I would love to help you.
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Speaker0: But the way I feel about the situation, I might add more negativity to it than what you think.
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Speaker0: And so that's why I even said it's fine to walk away from something like that.
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Speaker1: Yeah there's there honestly just personally like
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Speaker1: there's been times that i feel that maybe
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Speaker1: i should have said you know i
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Speaker1: i really don't know and um i
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Speaker1: know i can't really i can't really help you with this maybe think
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Speaker1: about it and talk to someone that you trust and then
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Speaker1: there's been times i've you know i've gone
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Speaker1: on maybe a little too far and maybe said or given advice that you know this
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Speaker1: was not good it wasn't good advice because i felt pressured into it and i feel
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Speaker1: like a lot of people um especially like just myself uh i sometimes want to be
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Speaker1: a people pleaser because i you know
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Speaker1: I've had had times where i'm not You know Um feeling the best so I feel like,
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Speaker1: you know, if i'm people pleasing maybe i'll get something out of it Just you know, I feel good but um
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Speaker1: That's not good on my part because it's not protecting my energy.
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Speaker1: It's not protecting my essence.
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Speaker1: It's it's giving bad Juju
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Speaker1: onto them bad essence bad energy and then they're taking it and going with that
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Speaker1: and it's it cycle not a good thing so no it's just a perfect sometimes answer
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Speaker1: for you know certain things um but like have you ever thought about like uh
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Speaker1: Social expectations people want uh like a reason as to why you're saying no
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Speaker0: Yes definitely experience that
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Speaker0: um it all comes
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Speaker0: into play i think because as a society we've learned things and we've learned
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Speaker0: them incorrectly no one's making that correction no one is saying no everybody
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Speaker0: is pleasing everybody and so that's why you get it and then these people want
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Speaker0: to read, oh, you're not doing it, but why?
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Speaker0: So yeah, it's like, I don't feel I need to give a very detailed answer on that.
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Speaker0: A lot of times I just say, it's just not the right time.
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Speaker0: That's all. It's as simple as that. It's not the right time.
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Speaker0: I can't do this right now.
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Speaker0: And that should be the only reason why. That's the only reason you should be able to give them.
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Speaker0: While back when I was doing the meditation business, the other problem was everybody
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Speaker0: wanted instantaneous results.
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Speaker0: And when I said, I cannot work with you because you are expecting something that I cannot give you.
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Speaker0: And that's when I had to say no. And that was my reasoning. If you're expecting
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Speaker0: something that I cannot provide, I am not going to work with you.
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Speaker0: And I've laid that out, round rules.
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Speaker0: And unfortunately, almost 99% of the population wants the instantaneous results.
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Speaker0: They can't fathom the fact that, hey, you're providing me a research.
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Speaker0: You should be able to do this.
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Speaker0: It's not. This is a training or this is a lifelong lesson. I could get you in the right direction.
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Speaker0: But that's what happens. And at the same time, yes, I have to say no for that.
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Speaker0: And now you, Jen, just so the audience remembers too, tell us again about you.
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Speaker0: Uh tea leaf readings in the valley give a little you know go ahead promote yourself.
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Speaker1: So tea leaf readings in the valley um so
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Speaker1: obviously i do readings um tea readings egg readings wax readings um i do egg
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Speaker1: cleanses but there's a there's a caveat with that like i i sit down and i talk
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Speaker1: to you about why you want the cleansing because a lot of people have come And
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Speaker1: have asked for and like you said instant results.
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Speaker1: They want instant results and that's not something that happens instantly with
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Speaker1: a with a cleansing but um Sometimes they might need something more like western type of medicine,
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Speaker1: you know a therapist a counselor So I really try to figure out why they want the cleanse
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Speaker1: So there's that Um, I do bone jewelry I do candles which I really love making my candles.
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Speaker1: They're they're definitely a work of art um and they're very time consuming
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Speaker1: and i put love into them when i do them i enjoy doing that um
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Speaker1: i don't know i also started doing lights recently like incredible great yeah
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Speaker1: actually this one actually sold recently but it's pretty cool wow turn it on
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Speaker1: whoa bam yeah yeah so there's that
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Speaker0: And you can find us on facebook on facebook right as far as yeah you find your
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Speaker0: tea leaf readings in the valley don't forget that tea leaf readings in the valley
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Speaker0: find jen on facebook and you'll have a lot of your stuff posted up there too
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Speaker0: and where people can find you and all.
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Speaker1: Yes i do i do have that stuff um yeah i've had some interesting uh interactions
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Speaker1: with posting that stuff recently scammers yeah we're
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Speaker0: All victims of that.
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Speaker1: It's been funny though
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Speaker1: i actually know somebody that will put um they'll be getting scammed on facebook
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Speaker1: and they'll be like beefy that's all they'll just keep writing this person and
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Speaker1: i'm just like that's funny that's great i should i should start coming up with
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Speaker1: a little little saying like that maybe not beefy but something yeah
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Speaker0: But definitely for For those that are not spamming, please visit Tea Leaf Readings in the Valley.
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Speaker0: Visit Jen's Facebook page. And you work a little bit differently.
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Speaker0: You're not working out of a shop or anything. You go to different events and all.
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Speaker1: I do go to different events. And I actually have started doing readings at my home.
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Speaker1: I'm still working towards getting that building. I have a building in the front,
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Speaker1: actually, on my property that,
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Speaker1: it's it's really nice it's an old school barn um but trying to fix that that
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Speaker1: building is going to be it might be the death of me
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Speaker0: Yeah i hear you so so then definitely people
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Speaker0: uh to help jen out uh to get that shop uh
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Speaker0: go visit her at tea leaf readings in
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Speaker0: the valley and purchase some of her stuff because i've seen it all and you know
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Speaker0: i visited her um at one event and i've seen some stuff and her and i really
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Speaker0: connected and yeah definitely try it out she's got some really beautiful especially
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Speaker0: the candles i do absolutely adore them really i do yeah i.
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Speaker1: Love doing them
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Speaker0: Yeah and the i always
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Speaker0: found the tea leaf readings themselves as uh
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Speaker0: really interesting too as well i know a lot of times you post
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Speaker0: stuff on facebook and you ask people what do you say which is always challenging
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Speaker0: because intuition comes to people in so many different ways and what one person
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Speaker0: sees somebody else don't and then there's a way to interpret them and all so
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Speaker0: i always found that interesting it's.
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Speaker1: Like looking at clouds um i i
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Speaker1: do tell people when i'm giving them a t reading and i do show them like the
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Speaker1: symbols and i tell them what they mean individually and then i tell them what
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Speaker1: they mean together and if they see anything that pops out to them that has really
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Speaker1: big significance um so if i'm giving you like a tea reading and you say you see a flower um
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Speaker1: that really has a big significance just to you like
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Speaker1: you because you saw that like it really popped out so i
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Speaker1: i try to uh give them the
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Speaker1: symbol like that information on that symbol and if i if i see something different
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Speaker1: i tell them what what i think that is as well and you know i i say if you're
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Speaker1: really feeling this and if it really popped out to you then we're gonna go with
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Speaker1: that and then you should really keep an eye out for you know x y and z
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Speaker0: So interesting yeah it draws them in,
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Speaker0: it does and i like that reading so yeah so go back i know you got some older
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Speaker0: posts and you know people could go check it out on facebook tea leaf readings
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Speaker0: in the valley look at some of the actual tea leaves and see what you see and
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Speaker0: that's you know and if it's something that interests you get a reading from Jen. It's all there.
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Speaker0: In this community, I think a lot has to do with this particular episode as far
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Speaker0: as the topic is for saying no because...
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Speaker0: There's sometimes expectations. I believe in that, you know,
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Speaker0: people want to see something and they're going to see something else and they're going to see you,
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Speaker0: you know, sometimes as giving them wrong information, but it's,
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Speaker0: it's interpretation. It really is.
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Speaker1: It is interpretation also um
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Speaker1: nothing's set in stone things change sometimes
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Speaker1: um just knowing something from
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Speaker1: a from your cup i mean could change everything around
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Speaker1: into a different direction for you um but it
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Speaker1: is nice to just talk sometimes people just need that actually
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Speaker1: too i mean just to you know you know
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Speaker1: when they're done doing like when i'm done reading their leaves they they just
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Speaker1: want to talk about the situations that are going on in their life and
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Speaker1: sometimes just sitting there and listening and
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Speaker1: you know being just reassuring is is
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Speaker1: a good thing not that i'm like a therapist or a
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Speaker1: counselor i'm definitely not trained in that but sometimes the best conversations
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Speaker1: you'll have with somebody is someone that you don't really know very well at
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Speaker1: all they have nothing in you know you know nothing in stake with your life so
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Speaker1: just talking to them and getting advice from them sometimes just
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Speaker1: is the extra step they needed you know um whether it's leaving such situation
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Speaker1: or you know extending an olive branch to somebody just just being there and
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Speaker1: listening actually is a big help
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Speaker0: That does it it relates again because yeah everything you're right hannah and
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Speaker0: i talk about that all the time yeah we're not doctors we're not licensed therapists
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Speaker0: however if you came to us and spoken to us,
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Speaker0: we may connect on some level. You may pick up some advice.
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Speaker0: You may be able to say, oh, wow, I could totally relate with you.
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Speaker0: And it does. It helps. So spiritually, whether it be tarot cards,
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Speaker0: oracle cards, whether it be tea leaf readings, whatever it may be,
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Speaker0: it's going to give you a little bit of guidance, some sort of intuition.
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Speaker0: And again, yeah, it's not immediate results, these things that we see,
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Speaker0: they may come true 10 years down the road, or they may appear 10 minutes later. That we don't know.
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Speaker0: All we could do is give you a reading, give you the situation on how it applies and what we feel.
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Speaker0: And like you had said, you allow other people to look and what do you see?
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Speaker0: Which is very different from how most people you know, work,
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Speaker0: whether it be tea leaves or even tarot cards.
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Speaker0: I never even thought turning a tarot card around saying, what do you interpret?
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Speaker0: You know? So that's interesting because now you're giving people a look into
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Speaker0: their own lives and maybe that can help the reading.
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Speaker0: That's very interesting. And I like that idea.
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Speaker1: It also just helps them in general. Like if you think about it,
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Speaker1: taking control of your life or taking control of certain situations.
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Speaker1: So like, you know, people that come to to tarot readers to um you know oracle
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Speaker1: to tea leaf reading to to any type of reading they want answers they're looking
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Speaker1: for something they're in a vulnerable state um
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Speaker1: So sometimes just sitting there and listening to them when they're done having that reading
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Speaker1: Really helps them and also when they tell you what they see in the cup It really
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Speaker1: helps them feel like they have some type of control or You know have a good
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Speaker1: stance on where to go from there and it just it helps them in a way, you know
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Speaker1: And it's really hard to explain because every situation and every reading is
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Speaker1: different But it gives them a sense of self I would say In a way
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Speaker0: Right yeah i like that
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Speaker0: idea and that's really good and this is why i like to promote
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Speaker0: you as well i think you have a very great idea
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Speaker0: and a very good aura about you where yeah i
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Speaker0: think some of your readings would be able to help people so again tea leaf readings
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Speaker0: in the valley on facebook very easy to find so definitely go ahead and check
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Speaker0: her out jen i do appreciate you coming on the show being a co-host with me because
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Speaker0: i know it's been a big change for me and i'm changing up formats It's almost every day,
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Speaker0: but I also appreciate the fact that you were able to listen to my quickie podcast
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Speaker0: and get something out of it. That's what I'm always hoping.
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Speaker0: Cause that's exactly what we're hoping when it comes to whether it be our clients or whatnot.
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Speaker1: Oh, it always gets my brain turning. Anytime I see something,
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Speaker1: um, like, like that, it just gets my brain turning.
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Speaker1: Like, um, I thought about it actually, like from when I've seen it till now.
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Speaker1: And I'm just like that, that word now just has like such a big,
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Speaker1: a big meaning for a lot of people. And I think it really, um,
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Speaker1: it really applies to, to, to women, but I know guys too.
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Speaker1: I mean, cause I'm not saying that guys aren't people pleasers,
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Speaker1: but I know by nature that women are, are people pleasers. And, um.
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Speaker1: You know i think that letting them know just women in general like it's okay
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Speaker1: to say no and and i know that uh sometimes that that word no has like that connotation of being negative
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Speaker1: but there's another thing have you ever heard the saying no means no absolutely yep so
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Speaker1: and that's another part where my brain went and and the stories i've seen lately
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Speaker1: just on facebook where women feel like they can't tell guys no about their number.
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Speaker1: And I think that, you know, it should just be standard when someone shows you
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Speaker1: body language that they're not interested, they say no, like really just go with it, just say, okay.
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Speaker1: But it seems like lately I've seen a lot of women posting of guys just not taking no for an answer,
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Speaker1: like getting phone numbers um taking them
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Speaker1: out i mean i've seen a lot of that recently so when i saw that no i was just
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Speaker1: like that's kind of where my brain went also and i was like you know that's
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Speaker1: kind of that's a horrible thing for that to just you know just one word to make
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Speaker1: your brain go into that direction i'm like oh yeah i don't want that and
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Speaker0: I do find it funny too like no means no it's very difficult to sit here and
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Speaker0: comprehend the fact that there needs to be an explanation behind it No is no.
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Speaker0: It's very weird to me that we actually have to explain it and spell it out for
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Speaker0: such a very simple two-letter word. It's really odd.
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Speaker0: And this is where we are as humanity, unfortunately, where we should be well
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Speaker0: more advanced into that. Once we hear the word no, that's it.
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Speaker0: It should be end a sentence, done, a simple thank you anyway,
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Speaker0: and walk away. It's very simple.
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Speaker1: Yeah, I mean, I think, and I'm not sure if everyone feels this way,
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Speaker1: but when I've heard the word no, and it was really something I wanted to do
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Speaker1: or had my heart like just really set on it, I kind of felt in a way that they
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Speaker1: weren't saying no to that.
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Speaker1: They were saying no to me, like in a rejection kind of way, like I was just
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Speaker1: no good or, you know, I don't like you.
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Speaker1: You know what I mean? and and i know that sounds kind of nutty right i mean i
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Speaker0: Mean to me it don't maybe to others it does you know but i get where you're coming from with that.
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Speaker1: I get why some people take that
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Speaker1: offensively like especially like in a work setting especially
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Speaker1: in work setting when you have like really good ideas and
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Speaker1: you present them and you've worked really hard on it
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Speaker1: and you were like this is going to be a go like this is going to be a definite
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Speaker1: yes and then everyone kind of like you know tells their little talking thing
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Speaker1: and and they turn around they're like no the idea is kind of interesting but
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Speaker1: i don't i don't see it working out it can always like that's big no and it can
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Speaker1: be rejection yeah that's
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Speaker0: What you're being rejected you know and it removes a lot of confidence from you you.
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Speaker1: Know so
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Speaker0: I think that's why too we it's hard to
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Speaker0: accept no at times yeah we
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Speaker0: need to be better though you know we need to prove right
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Speaker0: point as far as you know the workplace and our ideas and
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Speaker0: all nothing wrong with not giving up you
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Speaker0: know no shouldn't be an end-all be-all at times you know depending on the situation
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Speaker0: no sometimes encourages you to move forward and get better and better yourself
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Speaker0: so yeah so no can take on two different meanings then you know.
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Speaker1: Right and i think um i think the whole no with like feeling rejected i think um
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Speaker1: That's why people in society want that reason as
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Speaker1: to why people are saying no So they can actually kind of
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Speaker1: recover that rejection feeling So I
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Speaker1: can't fault people for wanting explanations But sometimes
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Speaker1: when you're the person saying no You feel like
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Speaker1: that should just be enough I should not have to explain it
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Speaker1: And I can see both sides with
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Speaker1: the rejection part of it And wanting the explanation Maybe
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Speaker1: to better myself But also just to reassure myself in a way that it's not it's
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Speaker1: not a personal thing it's more that i just you know didn't really hit the the
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Speaker1: mark on you know it could be better in a way right
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Speaker0: And i'll give you another little analogy when i met you um and we were at that
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Speaker0: uh festival you know vendor event uh you were not the only person i I approached,
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Speaker0: I approached many different people and I was getting either a yes or I was getting
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Speaker0: a no, or I didn't approach some people just because I felt it was going to be a no.
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Speaker0: So I did make contact with some people and it was a good, you know,
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Speaker0: context. Some of them were flat out.
25:53
Speaker0: No, I don't want to do your show or I'll think about it.
25:57
Speaker0: And, you know, and then I had you, it, it does boil down really to energies.
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Speaker0: And I told you this, you know, when I've talked to you about doing this episode
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Speaker0: with me, so we had a connection anyway.
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Speaker0: So you feel that connection. That's where I think the no or the yes is going
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Speaker0: to come into play, depending on what's being asked.
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Speaker0: You know, Mike, if I was asking you, hey, listen, after this episode,
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Speaker0: I need you to help move my entire house.
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Speaker0: You know, you may give me a no on that. You know, so it's.
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Speaker1: Definitely going to be a no.
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Speaker0: Right right you see and that
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Speaker0: even though that's rejection at the same
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Speaker0: time you know you can understand that
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Speaker0: because there's a connection like we're not
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Speaker0: you know complete strangers we
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Speaker0: kind of you know mesh energy wise and
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Speaker0: i that's big to me many people don't realize
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Speaker0: the differences in energies but yeah that's how
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Speaker0: we connected we connected and it was just a matter of me
26:58
Speaker0: asking would you like to come on an episode you
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Speaker0: know with uh me and you
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Speaker0: know promote yourself and that's all it was and
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Speaker0: so yeah did I get a lot of no's I did whether
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Speaker0: it was because they were not confident enough
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Speaker0: or whether they just didn't trust me it didn't matter I didn't take it as rejection
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Speaker0: I just kept walking around kept asking until I had enough people that I knew
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Speaker0: was going to be good there were actually some people that said yes and then
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Speaker0: for the conversation I was like I'm not feeling the energy so I gave them a no,
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Speaker0: And that happens too.
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Speaker1: That is true. But you saying that, like, it didn't bother you.
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Speaker1: Like, my husband, I asked him, I was like, you know, how do you feel when people
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Speaker1: say no to you? He's like, it's a no, and I just move on.
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Speaker1: And I'm like, you don't feel like, you know, like when you have to say no,
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Speaker1: do you feel guilty about it? And he's like, not really.
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Speaker1: Not really at all. When I say no, I just, I don't have any, I don't want to do it.
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Speaker1: And and i'm like you know
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Speaker1: when i say no i i get this big guilty feeling
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Speaker1: like just a like a not like i'm like should i have said yes and just seeing
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Speaker1: where it went and and i have to wonder if it's like a guy and a like a male
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Speaker1: and female thing you know like do guys feel guilty about saying no to certain situations?
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Speaker0: It could be. It all depends on the ego, really.
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Speaker0: I don't think there's much of a difference between male and female.
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Speaker0: Our egos, regardless of whom we are, that can get in the way.
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Speaker0: And depending how focused on our ego, that no could be a rejection.
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Speaker0: So some people just see it as a no, and that's all it is, and it does not affect them. And any way.
28:55
Speaker0: But again, I don't think it has anything to do with your sex.
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Speaker0: It has to do more with the ego.
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Speaker0: And that's really what it is. And maybe some, you know, maybe the ego affects
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Speaker0: men more because I think society wise, that's the way it was.
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Speaker0: And that's the way people are raised sometimes.
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Speaker0: But I don't know. And the difficult thing is I can only answer from a standpoint of a man.
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Speaker1: So right again
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Speaker0: But i use ego for everything for anybody because we all are kind of one in that sense.
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Speaker1: I think if you don't feel bad about it
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Speaker1: i think you have a really good self like a
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Speaker1: balance like you're you're very self aware and
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Speaker1: that that goes with the like ego thing like you were saying like because for
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Speaker1: me like this is how i think of ego i don't think it's inherently bad but i think
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Speaker1: that you need to have self-awareness and humility to be able to balance that
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Speaker1: out to maintain a pretty much self you know yourself
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Speaker1: Awareness and just be in the middle and I think if you're like mega Like the
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Speaker1: mega and like the the little like I would say but like just the little ego I
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Speaker1: think those bring out really negative traits in people.
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Speaker1: So like if you say rejection, that'd be like a Something like a little ego they
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Speaker1: would take that very personal as rejection mega ego They'd probably take it as a mega rejection,
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Speaker1: too And it would probably probably take it further though like an obnoxious
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Speaker1: type of way if that makes any sense
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Speaker0: Makes tons of sense yeah it makes tons of sense to me so Jen again I want to thank you,
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Speaker0: And again, I thank everybody for tuning in.
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Speaker0: And again, I thank you for joining me in all the different changes and formats
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Speaker0: until i get uh hannah back with me and things can go back to normal so again
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Speaker0: thank you very much and we look forward to uh having you join us on the next
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Speaker0: show and thank you again jen take care oh.
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Speaker1: Thanks you too