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  Speaker 1: Hello, folks, and welcome into another edition of JFK Book Reviews.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, the biggest, the baddest, Bob of them all,
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  Speaker 1: Rob Clark. Here with you for another exciting edition of
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  Speaker 1: JFK Book Reviews. We're going to be talking tonight about
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  Speaker 1: this book, Ratcha. Norman Mailer, Oswald's Tale, An American Mystery.
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  Speaker 1: And folks, she thick. Just the way I like them.
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  Speaker 1: That's Norman Mailer, for those of you who don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I got this book for a steal. $ 4. 95 from Wonder
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  Speaker 1: Books many moons ago. It's a good looking book. It
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  Speaker 1: was published in 1995. In April of 1995. And what
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  Speaker 1: I'm guessing happened... Is Mailer had always been intrigued... with
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  Speaker 1: the JFK assassination. Uh, he, he ended up writing a
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  Speaker 1: piece about the cold war and, and Khrushchev and Kennedy
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  Speaker 1: back in, uh, the early sixties. He also did a
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  Speaker 1: biography of Marilyn Monroe in the late sixties. So with,
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  Speaker 1: on the heels of the fervor of the Oliver Stone movie, um,
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  Speaker 1: It saw a wave of other JFK books coming out
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  Speaker 1: around the same time. So Mailer decided that it would
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  Speaker 1: be a good time to really, really dive in to
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  Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald. And who was he really? And this
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  Speaker 1: is probably one of the first books to try to
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  Speaker 1: do that. Um, it's often considered to be a, a
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  Speaker 1: lone nutter book, but you never really hear those guys
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  Speaker 1: cite this book very much. Uh, probably for a good reason. Um,
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  Speaker 1: now Norman Mailer is an interesting dude. I will give
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  Speaker 1: him that. I will give him that. His story, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Starts out in the early 40s. He went to Harvard
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  Speaker 1: and he tried to get out of being drafted into
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  Speaker 1: World War II by telling them that he was going
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  Speaker 1: to write the best book ever on World War II
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  Speaker 1: so he shouldn't go. They didn't want to kill him
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  Speaker 1: before he could write the greatest novel ever written about
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  Speaker 1: World War II. But they said, yeah, right, dude. Get
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  Speaker 1: your ass in here. And so he became a typist
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  Speaker 1: in the army. Be fitting for a writer, I suppose.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm guessing that drew some ire from some of
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  Speaker 1: his compadres in the armed forces, if you will. And
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  Speaker 1: maybe he felt a little inferior. So he volunteered to
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  Speaker 1: do patrols in Japan and the Philippines and, uh, did
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  Speaker 1: get to engage in some firefights and, and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: So he kind of redeemed himself before going back and
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  Speaker 1: becoming a cook in the army. So he was a
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  Speaker 1: typist and a cook book ending his army career. Uh, But,
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  Speaker 1: you know, thankfully he made it through World War II.
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  Speaker 1: He ended up writing a book in 1948 called The
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  Speaker 1: Naked and the Dead about the war, which earned him
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  Speaker 1: a lot of accolades. And it pretty much set the
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  Speaker 1: table for Norman Mailer to become a very respected journalist
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  Speaker 1: and author. at this time in his life. He would
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  Speaker 1: go on in the 50s to be one of the
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  Speaker 1: three founders of the Village Voice newspaper that came out
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  Speaker 1: of Greenwich Village, New York. He fancied himself an amateur boxer.
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  Speaker 1: Boxing was always one sport that he was fascinated with.
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  Speaker 1: He was married six times and fathered nine children. And
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  Speaker 1: you might be asking me, hey Rob, why do you
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  Speaker 1: have this book here? Well, in 1960, You'll love this.
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  Speaker 1: On November 22nd, 1960, to be exact, old Norman Mailer
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  Speaker 1: was running to be the mayor of New York. And
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  Speaker 1: at the time, he was married to his second wife, Adele.
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  Speaker 1: And they had a big party in their apartment in
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  Speaker 1: which they invited all of the top Exelon of New
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  Speaker 1: York's wealthy, classy, politically charged, most respected leaders in New York.
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  Speaker 1: Along with some of just regular people. Well, let's just
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  Speaker 1: say it was a bad night for Norman Mailer. He
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  Speaker 1: got frustrated because none of the important people that he
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  Speaker 1: had invited to come to his party came. And the
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  Speaker 1: folks that did show up were probably not the kind
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  Speaker 1: of people that you want at your party. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: Norman Mailer thought it would be a good idea to
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  Speaker 1: get shit-faced drunk and go off on everybody that was
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  Speaker 1: in the apartment. And his wife, Adele, witnessed the meltdown,
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  Speaker 1: if you will. And she told him that he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a better writer than Dostoevsky. And boy, did that piss
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  Speaker 1: off Norman Mailer to the point that he pulls out
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  Speaker 1: a pocket knife that he had in his pocket and
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  Speaker 1: proceeds to stab Adele in the chest. And as she's
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  Speaker 1: laying on the ground, proceeds to stab her in the back.
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  Speaker 1: And when people try to help her at the party,
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  Speaker 1: he tells them to get the fuck away from her
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  Speaker 1: and let the bitch die. Now, the good news is, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: Adele would go on to live a very long life
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  Speaker 1: until the age of 90. Adele herself was an actress
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  Speaker 1: and painter in New York and a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: beatnik hippie type who liked guys like Norman Mailer. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the problem with guys like Norman Mailer who fancied themselves
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  Speaker 1: too cool for school and too smart for the rooms
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  Speaker 1: And then sleep for four days. And then decides, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'll come out and I'll be a husband now. And
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  Speaker 1: take my wife to pound town for a night. And
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  Speaker 1: then I'm going to go back and I'm going to write.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going to write. And I'm going to write.
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  Speaker 1: And write. And write. And write. Hence the reason for
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  Speaker 1: the six marriages. dude. You can understand why none of
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  Speaker 1: these women stayed with him. And this book here, To
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  Speaker 1: My Right, The Last Party, by Adele Miller, Adele Mailer
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  Speaker 1: gives you a very interesting insight into who this guy was. Uh, Adele, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Adele had two children by Norman Mailer, both girls. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so you can imagine the kind of husband and father
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  Speaker 1: that was never around that this guy was because he's
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  Speaker 1: too important because he has to write, uh, Type of guy.
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  Speaker 1: You know, this is what happens when you give these
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  Speaker 1: folks accolades. And I'm not saying... Norman Mailer wasn't good
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  Speaker 1: at what he did. Which is right. Because he was.
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  Speaker 1: He was a very good writer. And when you read...
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  Speaker 1: This book, Oswald's Tale, it's almost, it's written in a
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  Speaker 1: very beatnik style, like Hunter S. Thompson-esque, if you will.
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  Speaker 1: So it is a very entertaining read. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: not to the level of like a Walt Brown, humor
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  Speaker 1: in your face type of thing, but it keeps it interesting.
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  Speaker 1: his writing style. Now this book is divided into two parts.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason I'm doing this book review tonight is
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  Speaker 1: because the first part of this book really focuses on
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  Speaker 1: Oswald's time in Minsk. And Norman Mailer went to Russia
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  Speaker 1: in the 90s, early 90s, and managed to get all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of interviews with people that knew Marina, knew Oswald,
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  Speaker 1: knew their friends, knew their lovers. I mean, the book
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  Speaker 1: starts out with a story about Marina and this guy
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  Speaker 1: named Sasha, who was like one of her first boyfriends.
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  Speaker 1: At the age of 17. In fact, Sasha and Marina
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  Speaker 1: were dating at the time that they were at the dance.
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  Speaker 1: Sasha was there. And saw Alec, a.k.a. Lee, ask Marina
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  Speaker 1: to dance. And she did. And he also says that
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  Speaker 1: Marina didn't just dance with Lee and him. She danced
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  Speaker 1: with probably seven or eight other people that night. And
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  Speaker 1: he says he wasn't really bothered by it because, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was a dance type of thing. You know, just
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  Speaker 1: a dance. It wasn't like they were, you know, banging
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  Speaker 1: on the dance floor or whatever. But he does go
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  Speaker 1: into the story that, you know, after the dance, his
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  Speaker 1: relationship with Marina just fell off. She stopped talking to him.
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  Speaker 1: She wouldn't see him anymore when he came to her house. And,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this guy Sasha had been to her aunt
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  Speaker 1: and uncle's house where she lived, met them, ate dinner
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  Speaker 1: with them. You know, he was really getting to know her.
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  Speaker 1: He was falling for Marina hard. And then Marina just
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  Speaker 1: drops him like a sack of potatoes for Lee Harvey
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  Speaker 1: Oswald for some reason. And I think a lot of this,
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  Speaker 1: this is why, you know, her aunt and uncle didn't
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  Speaker 1: really approve of her relationship with, with Oswald. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Marina tells Sasha, you know, I'm no good. I'm bad
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  Speaker 1: for you. Uh, you know, you're, you're too nice of
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  Speaker 1: a guy. You don't want me type of thing. And
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  Speaker 1: then he, he heard that, um, Marina had accepted, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Oswald's proposal of marriage and had gotten married. You remember
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  Speaker 1: it happened very quickly within the span of a month,
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  Speaker 1: a month and a half. the Lee and Marina whirlwind romance,
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  Speaker 1: if you will, which left Sasha broken. Like even into
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  Speaker 1: the 90s, he was still upset about it when he
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  Speaker 1: was interviewed by Mailer. So it's these type of insights
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  Speaker 1: in this book that are invaluable. I mean, this is
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  Speaker 1: stuff that you just weren't getting anywhere else. Sure, some
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  Speaker 1: people had talked to some of Oswald's friends, you know, yada, yada.
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  Speaker 1: But it's a whole different story when you're there in person,
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  Speaker 1: in their house, in their living room, and you can
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  Speaker 1: speak to them and talk to them at length and
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  Speaker 1: not just over the phone or through a letter, something
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  Speaker 1: like that. Now, of course, Mailer does try to get
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  Speaker 1: inside the mind of Lee Harvey Oswald, which is a
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  Speaker 1: dangerous place to be You know, I think Mailer buys
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  Speaker 1: on the surface the whole official story, right, of the
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  Speaker 1: man like Carcano, the magic bullet, Oswald as the lone
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  Speaker 1: assassin type of thing, right? But, you know, he kind
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  Speaker 1: of stays away from addressing the evidence very much. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he does talk about some things, but he kind of
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  Speaker 1: ignores the obvious problems with said evidence, right? He much
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  Speaker 1: more stays focused on Lee Harvey Oswald and why he
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  Speaker 1: thinks Oswald did what he did. So he's working off
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  Speaker 1: the preface that he believes that Oswald did what he
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  Speaker 1: was accused of, which is shoot and kill President John F. Kennedy.
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  Speaker 1: So trying to get into a man's mind to try
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  Speaker 1: to figure out why he did what he did, if
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  Speaker 1: he did what he did, that question of if doesn't
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  Speaker 1: really come in to Mailer's monologue very often. So that
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  Speaker 1: could be a problem on its own because he's automatically
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  Speaker 1: Qualifying this guy as the murderer of John F. Kennedy.
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  Speaker 1: Which kind of puts a bent angle on his analysis
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  Speaker 1: of who Oswald was as a person. Now part two
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  Speaker 1: of this book goes back to Oswald's early life. In
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  Speaker 1: New Orleans, he really goes in depth about Marguerite and
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  Speaker 1: his life with Marguerite. And his brothers and the Morettes.
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  Speaker 1: He had access to a whole lot of these people
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  Speaker 1: to interview them. And it's kind of fascinating for that
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  Speaker 1: in its own right. It's just the conclusions that I
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  Speaker 1: personally have a problem with in the book. The book
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  Speaker 1: itself and all of the interesting things that are in
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  Speaker 1: it are fascinating to read about. And I think prior
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  Speaker 1: to the Oswald puzzle by Larry Hancock and David Boylan,
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  Speaker 1: that whether you like it or not, Oswald's tale was
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  Speaker 1: one of the first books to really explore the mind
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  Speaker 1: of Lee Harvey Oswald. And it does rely heavily on
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  Speaker 1: the optics of mental health Oswald's ideals you know even
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  Speaker 1: going back to the time in New York when Oswald
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  Speaker 1: was a problem in school and truancy and all of
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  Speaker 1: this and they made him go see a psychiatrist and
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  Speaker 1: you know of course he was diagnosed with certain things
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  Speaker 1: he did weird things but is this just a kid
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  Speaker 1: acting out from being in a tough spot You know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, hindsight's 20-20. It's pretty easy to, say, take
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  Speaker 1: a Jeffrey Dahmer or a Ted Bundy, for instance, and
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  Speaker 1: then go back and analyze their childhood and figure out
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  Speaker 1: where it all went wrong, right? With Oswald, it's just
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  Speaker 1: not that easy to try to figure out where it
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  Speaker 1: all went wrong. It seems like it was all bad
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  Speaker 1: growing up. You know, except... the world that Oswald created
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  Speaker 1: in his own mind ideologically so I've got to say
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  Speaker 1: that I was pretty impressed by this book as far
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  Speaker 1: as everything in Minsk and the access that he got
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  Speaker 1: to the KGB papers, classified CIA documents, and the access
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  Speaker 1: he got to interview a lot of these people in Russia.
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  Speaker 1: Very interesting stuff. You know, very, very interesting. And a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people have drawn from these interviews into their
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  Speaker 1: own milieu if you will of the assassination like John
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  Speaker 1: Armstrong draws heavily on the interviews of Norman Mailer of
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  Speaker 1: the folks in Russia from Oswald's time in Russia of
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  Speaker 1: course you can take the base of the interviews the
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  Speaker 1: research and you can twist them however you want To
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  Speaker 1: give whatever view you want of Oswald. Now do I
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  Speaker 1: agree with the ultimate conclusions of the book? Not necessarily. I.e.
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  Speaker 1: Norman Mailer didn't convince me. You know. That Oswald was dyslexic. Right.
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  Speaker 1: This is where. In this book, this is where this
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  Speaker 1: whole idea of Oswald being dyslexic comes from, is this book.
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  Speaker 1: And the ideas of one preeminent doctor in the field
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  Speaker 1: making that assessment. Does it explain things? Does it explain
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  Speaker 1: Oswald if he's dyslexic? Not really. Dyslexia is a learning disability.
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  Speaker 1: Meaning that you see things in a different way and
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  Speaker 1: you write things in a different way in your head
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  Speaker 1: and you get things backwards sometimes. Or was Oswald just
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  Speaker 1: a shitty student? I mean seriously folks. He jumped around
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  Speaker 1: from place to place to place to place to place
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  Speaker 1: from school to school to school to school to school.
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  Speaker 1: Do you really think that this guy just threw himself
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  Speaker 1: into learning? You know, or was this one of those
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  Speaker 1: kids staring out the window at the stars wanting to
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  Speaker 1: be an astronaut? I don't know. I mean, he was
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  Speaker 1: a member of the astronomy club, but I digress. Um, So,
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  Speaker 1: let's rate Oswald's tale in American Mystery. Oh, before we go,
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  Speaker 1: I should tell you that this book can be found
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  Speaker 1: over on the Amazonian website. Right now, as of the
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  Speaker 1: making of this video, you can buy it brand new
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  Speaker 1: for $ 10. Hardcover. paperback brand new for 11 bucks and
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  Speaker 1: there's cheap used copies as little as 343 so a
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  Speaker 1: very accessible book and look you don't have to agree
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  Speaker 1: with everything in it but this book clocks in at
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  Speaker 1: what was it 800 and some pages And it's only
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  Speaker 1: two parts. It's Oswald of Minsk and Oswald after he
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  Speaker 1: gets back. Or I mean Oswald's life in America. So
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  Speaker 1: to have, you know, 300 plus pages on Oswald in
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  Speaker 1: Minsk and his life with Marina and how their relationship
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  Speaker 1: formed and what came of it and why he did
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  Speaker 1: what he did. is invaluable, man. For $ 3, $ 5, $ 10, $ 11,
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  Speaker 1: pick this book up just for that. You don't have
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  Speaker 1: to agree with everything, but I think it is a
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  Speaker 1: good one to have on the shelf. Especially if you
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  Speaker 1: can get it for a deal. With that being said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to give this book an 8 out of
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  Speaker 1: 10 guns up. 8 out of 10, which is pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty good. Like I said, you don't have to agree
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  Speaker 1: with everything that he says, but for what this book is,
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  Speaker 1: for when it came out, for the writing style, from
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  Speaker 1: one of the most preeminent writing minds of the 20th century,
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  Speaker 1: Norman F. N. Mailer, lover of women, merrier of many,
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  Speaker 1: almost killer of one. Oh yeah, by the way, his
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  Speaker 1: wife didn't press charges. She did live through that. She
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  Speaker 1: decided not to press charges, but the district attorney's office said, well,
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  Speaker 1: we'll go ahead and press charges. And look, Mailer's ego
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  Speaker 1: was so big, he's in the courtroom, Explaining himself. He's
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  Speaker 1: being charged with like a third degree assault. Not attempted murder.
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  Speaker 1: But he's like being. They're trying to give him a
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  Speaker 1: third degree assault. And he pleads to the judge. Not
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  Speaker 1: to send him to the loony bin. Because he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: want anybody to be able to call him insane. that
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  Speaker 1: it would denigrate his previous and future writings from this
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  Speaker 1: preeminent Harvard writer. So the judge says, hmm. Okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about that. We don't necessarily have to
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  Speaker 1: find you insane, but you are going to spend some
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  Speaker 1: time in Bellevue, which amounted to two and a half weeks.
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  Speaker 1: And then the judge gave him three years probation. So, interesting. Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting life for sure. So that is Oswald's Tale by
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  Speaker 1: Norman Mailer. And if his life really interests you, He
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  Speaker 1: did write a lot of books. He even acted in
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  Speaker 1: some films as well. So if his life interests you,
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  Speaker 1: then I would have you read this book over here
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  Speaker 1: from Adele Mailer. Who died a broken, miserable, penniless woman.
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  Speaker 1: 90-year-old wretch. Yeah, this book here that she wrote was
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  Speaker 1: published in the early 80s. And he left her pretty
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  Speaker 1: much penniless and destitute and in the dust. And then
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  Speaker 1: proceeded to plow through another four wives after her, after
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  Speaker 1: almost killing her. Unbelievable. But anyway, the best stories are
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  Speaker 1: always the craziest. And if you like this book review,
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  Speaker 1: then by golly, you'll love the show we do every week.
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  Speaker 1: Twice a week. Once for everybody and once for members only.
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  Speaker 1: 7 p.m. Eastern Standard Time right here on YouTube on
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  Speaker 1: this very channel. We investigate the assassination of JFK on
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  Speaker 1: a weekly basis from a conspiracy point of view. Allegedly.
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  Speaker 1: And if that sort of thing interests you, we have
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  Speaker 1: probably over 400 previous episodes that you might want to
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  Speaker 1: check out. Over 100 episodes of members-only shows that are
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  Speaker 1: not included in that 400 number. So half a thousand, roughly,
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  Speaker 1: give or take a few. episodes that are an hour
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  Speaker 1: or two hours long, all about investigating different aspects of
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  Speaker 1: the Kennedy assassination. What I'm trying to say is I've
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  Speaker 1: got an extensive library, and I've been doing this for
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  Speaker 1: a while. So, go check them out. There's a ton
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  Speaker 1: out there to check out if you haven't already. And
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  Speaker 1: there's more to come. So we'll see you very soon.
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  Speaker 1: And coming up this week, we have a special guest
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  Speaker 1: on the Lundgummen podcast. And that's another reason I picked
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  Speaker 1: this book too because It's one of his favorite books
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  Speaker 1: on the assassination and the mind of Lee Harvey Oswald.
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  Speaker 1: And let's just say it inspired him to do the same. So,
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  Speaker 1: or even try to do better than Mailer. And I
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  Speaker 1: think he did. I got faith in him. But you
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  Speaker 1: guys will see that coming up this Friday. And with
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  Speaker 1: that being said, Au revoir. Adieu. Sayonara. Adios. Peace.