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The Late Debate | 6 January · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Wait wait, Welcome to the water Place. Welcome to the program.
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Speaker 2: I'm Frey Leach, joined by Holly Hughes and Claire Row
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Speaker 2: Coming up tonight.
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Speaker 1: There are rumors.
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Speaker 2: Albanize he's going to backflip and call a royal commission.
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Speaker 2: But will this be enough to save his credibility? Pluss,
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Speaker 2: We're one month into the social media ban, but has
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Speaker 2: it actually worked well? You'd be hard pressed to find
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Speaker 2: a teenager who's actually been impacted by it. And finally,
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Speaker 2: plastic surgery has found a surprisingly new clientele young men,
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Speaker 2: and it's all part of a growing trend called looks maxing,
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Speaker 2: where young men go to extreme lengths to improve their
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Speaker 2: physical appearance. Is this just self improvement or something far
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Speaker 2: more sinister? But first he was dragged from his Caracas
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Speaker 2: bunker in a weekend raid, and now he's standing in
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Speaker 2: a US courtroom. Overnight, Venezuelan dictator Nicholas Maduro pleaded not
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Speaker 2: guilty to narco trafficking charges, defiantly telling a federal judge
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Speaker 2: he is apparently still the president of his country. I'm
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Speaker 2: not sure about that one, but Holly, this is truly
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Speaker 2: an unprecedented situation we find ourselves in having a world
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Speaker 2: leader on trial in the United States.
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Speaker 1: It's pretty extraordinary look at.
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Speaker 3: I find more extraordinary are the absolutely moral gymnastics that
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Speaker 3: are being done by those on the left, particularly those
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Speaker 3: who were so supportive under the Biden administration, of action
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Speaker 3: being taken against against Maduro, which of course was never action,
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Speaker 3: it was just words and rhetoric. And now all of
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Speaker 3: those that cheered on Biden and his so called strongman's
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Speaker 3: stance against Madua are now absolutely up in arms that
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Speaker 3: Trump has actually taken the action that they were clearly
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Speaker 3: incapable of doing. And when you hear now more more
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Speaker 3: about the sophistication of how they went in, how they
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Speaker 3: execated him and his wife, as well as some of
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Speaker 3: his other aids and advisors around him, it's extraordinary, the
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Speaker 3: way they went in and the way they got out.
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Speaker 3: And you know, Caracus has never seen such a night
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Speaker 3: of fireworks, no doubt, but not an injury, not a casualty,
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Speaker 3: and not an injury to an American, which in itself
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Speaker 3: is extraordinary. But the moral gymnastics of the left, yet
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Speaker 3: again on display.
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Speaker 4: I cannot see how they can justify when I think
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Speaker 4: we said last night, I mean this is not a
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Speaker 4: part of an issue. It was, as we said, the
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Speaker 4: Biden administration who increased the bounty on his head up
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Speaker 4: to twenty five million dollars. There was international arrest warrants
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Speaker 4: out for this guy, and Trump has followed through on that.
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Speaker 4: And really we wouldn't expect anything less of him to
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Speaker 4: stand now in a courtroom and plead not guilty and
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Speaker 4: say no, I'm still the president of the country and
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Speaker 4: we'll see how that plays out. But even people, of course,
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Speaker 4: we wouldn't expect also any less from people like Ma'm
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Speaker 4: Danny the mayor of New York, who's absolutely up in
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Speaker 4: arms about this, and.
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Speaker 5: You know, socialist traveling being.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely the trig data that Trump apparently is. I mean,
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Speaker 4: last time I looked, he is the mayor. I know
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Speaker 4: it's New York, but mate, you're the mayor. Like, I'm
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Speaker 4: sure there's some New York rubbish or something you can
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Speaker 4: go clean.
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Speaker 5: Up about that. And I get that. I get the.
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Speaker 4: Critics of Trump appointing to sovereignty, and yes, sovereignty matters,
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Speaker 4: but there is a line when you are a brutalis
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Speaker 4: dictator plunging your country and your people into poverty and
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Speaker 4: running a cartel drug lord regime who was, you know,
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Speaker 4: importing millions and billions of dollars of drugs into America
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Speaker 4: and affecting their people as.
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Speaker 2: Well, exactly, and one million Americans have died from opioids
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Speaker 2: since the pandemic.
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Speaker 1: One million. That is just staggering.
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Speaker 2: And when you think about how many of those drugs
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Speaker 2: are going through Venezuela and South America, and a lot
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Speaker 2: of them are originally in China. This is not an
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Speaker 2: accident that all of this has happened. It is you've
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Speaker 2: got to think some sort of intentional strategy to undermine
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Speaker 2: the US, and it's been extremely effective. But it is
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Speaker 2: interesting because I think a lot of the arguments Maduro
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Speaker 2: will try to mount in this case will actually come
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Speaker 2: to nothing because this has happened before. In the late eighties,
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Speaker 2: the Panamanian president Miguel Noiga was also extracted from Panama,
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Speaker 2: taken to the United States and charged under drug racketeering
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Speaker 2: charges and was sentenced to something like forty years in
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Speaker 2: prison as a result. And one of the arguments he
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Speaker 2: made was that he had state immunity because he was
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Speaker 2: the head of state. But the thing is that doesn't
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Speaker 2: apply if one you're illegitimate and the US does not
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Speaker 2: recognize Maduro as the legitimate leader. But also number two,
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Speaker 2: state immunity does not apply if you're engaged in criminal.
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Speaker 1: Activity, which is exactly what.
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Speaker 2: We Duro has been doing by allowing drug smuggling to
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Speaker 2: take place in his country. So I'm really looking forward
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Speaker 2: to the illegal aspects of this case because I frankly
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Speaker 2: don't think he has much of a leg to stand
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Speaker 2: on here.
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Speaker 3: Well, look, I think there'll be some great movies that
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Speaker 3: come out later on. If you think about when Noriega
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Speaker 3: and all that happened in the Panama Canal and everything
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Speaker 3: that went on there, There's been some great films that
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Speaker 3: have come out since then, So we can look back
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Speaker 3: forward to cinematic history in a decade or two. But
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Speaker 3: I think what is interesting what we need to look
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Speaker 3: at is what they're calling the Donroe doctrine.
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Speaker 6: Obviously on the Monroe doctrine.
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Speaker 3: But how the Americas really form this sort of separate
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Speaker 3: hemisphere and what does that mean for a place like Australia.
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Speaker 6: Where do we sit in the world.
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Speaker 3: You know, geopolitically, what does that mean if you start
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Speaker 3: to move into the Americas as their own sort of hemisphere.
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Speaker 6: I mean Australia. You've got to think you've got New.
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Speaker 3: Zealand, You've got the South Pacific, you know, just so
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Speaker 3: do we get Bora Bora?
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Speaker 6: You know, what are the Cook Islands? I mean, I
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Speaker 6: think some of this could be quite positive.
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Speaker 3: And you know, for Australia is the big boy in town.
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Speaker 3: Does that mean we get discounts on burets.
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Speaker 5: In What's what's about that?
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Speaker 6: Well, but you don't.
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Speaker 3: I mean I joke about discount holidays in burets. But
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Speaker 3: you know, you do have the issue because obviously our
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Speaker 3: closest superpower is China. And where you somehow fall into
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Speaker 3: that hemispheric notion, if you're going to start to get
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Speaker 3: in America looking at at geopolitics that well, well, there.
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Speaker 2: Is a foreign policy theory called realism by John Miersheimer,
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Speaker 2: which does say that there can only be one global hegemon,
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Speaker 2: and a global hedgemon is a country that controls a
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Speaker 2: whole hemisphere and or a whole content and a whole area.
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Speaker 2: And if you look over at China in Asia, they
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Speaker 2: are they have their intention and that is to control
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Speaker 2: the whole of Asia. And if you think about the US,
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Speaker 2: that is incredibly threatening for them. And even more so
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Speaker 2: if they're now coming into the US's half of the
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Speaker 2: world and establish a base there, which is essentially what
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Speaker 2: Venezuela had become. So the fact that this is at
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Speaker 2: all controversial, I think does speak to how delusional so
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Speaker 2: many in the academic class the think tanks have become,
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Speaker 2: because this is not new, this is not radical. Donroe
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Speaker 2: doctrine is literally just common sense realism.
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Speaker 3: Well, and it'll be interesting to see as things move
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Speaker 3: forward where we see with investment and how it plays
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Speaker 3: in Australia. But as I said with Mandami, it's just
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Speaker 3: socialists backing socialists, and it's probably why Albanzi was quick
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Speaker 3: to jump on board of almost supporting dictators in Venezuela.
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Speaker 3: But of course Albanese's got enough problems of his own
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Speaker 3: at home, and whilst we learn that he may be
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Speaker 3: starting to look at a backflip towards hosting a royal commission,
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Speaker 3: we know that one of the issues, and I guess
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Speaker 3: one of my concerns is that what are the terms
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Speaker 3: of reference he's going to come up with, Because we
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Speaker 3: learned today that one of the AFP's groups that were
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Speaker 3: supposed to be looking over counter terrorism in fact, had
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Speaker 3: lost funding recently and been disbanded quietly in only of
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Speaker 3: the weeks before the Bondai Pergrom. So we now have
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Speaker 3: an situation where Albanese's government has been absolutely instrumental in
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Speaker 3: acting programs prior to this massacre occurring that we're supposed
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Speaker 3: to be overseeing counter terrorism in all its forms. And
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Speaker 3: when we learn more about these alleged terrorists, we see
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Speaker 3: exactly where their backgrounds were and what they were doing.
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Speaker 6: It's just I.
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Speaker 3: Think this is where and I think this is getting
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Speaker 3: to the crux of why Albanese has been so reluctant
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Speaker 3: to go down the Royal Commission, because this is all
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Speaker 3: the stuff that's going to come out and show how
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Speaker 3: his government has been absolutely culpable in allowing anti Semitism
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Speaker 3: to fester.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well this could just be the start of it,
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Speaker 4: and suddenly he's now considering a Royal commission. Look, I'm
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Speaker 4: no counter terrorism expert, believe it or not, but I
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Speaker 4: can see that counterterror capability is not some mythical resource
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Speaker 4: you can just turn the tap on and off when
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Speaker 4: you need it. It takes time, and it takes consistency,
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Speaker 4: and it takes money, and so when you're dismantling a
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Speaker 4: force such as this or a group such as this
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Speaker 4: at a time where the threat was not reducing, you know,
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Speaker 4: it was only the caculating, it was only escalating, you know,
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Speaker 4: with literally car bombs, with literally graffiti and anti semitism
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Speaker 4: and the tension building, and that is the time. And
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Speaker 4: to quote in the story out that it is a
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Speaker 4: funding issue, it's so insulting. Last night we were talking
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Speaker 4: about ndisusues blowing out to be bigger than defense. And
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Speaker 4: you're telling me that there's a funding issue for a
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Speaker 4: group of counter terrorism, intelligence and security for our country
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Speaker 4: at a time where threat was escalating.
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Speaker 5: Is just not a good enough excuse.
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Speaker 2: And it also makes you question the whole narrative we've
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Speaker 2: been told by Albow because he got up there days
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Speaker 2: after the bond Nim massacre and said, the intelligence community,
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Speaker 2: the agencies, they've never had more funding. No funding request
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Speaker 2: has been knocked back by my government. But this story
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Speaker 2: blows a massive gaping hole in his story. And if
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Speaker 2: he's lying about something as basic as that as funding
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Speaker 2: for intelligence, what else is he lying about?
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Speaker 1: And this is why the only way.
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Speaker 2: He will call a royal commission is if he's dragged
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Speaker 2: there kicking and screaming because the dead bodies are going
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Speaker 2: to be all around, and clearly he has so much
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Speaker 2: to hide. And that's the point you raised. There was great, Claire,
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Speaker 2: We knew this was an issue. Mike Burgess got up
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Speaker 2: repeatedly and warned that anti Semitism was the number one
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Speaker 2: threat to life and our terror threat level was probable.
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Speaker 1: But what did labor do? What did our government do?
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Speaker 2: Cut funding and force a national surveillance team specific defically
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Speaker 2: looking at counter terror to shut down.
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Speaker 3: Look at the whole thing just smells like four day
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Speaker 3: old fish. And you know it's the fact that Parliament's
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Speaker 3: going to be recalled to look at hate laws, which
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Speaker 3: you know are important, but are they going to be enforced?
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Speaker 3: Are they actually going to be We've already got them
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Speaker 3: and they're not being used. Simply been brought in the
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Speaker 3: fact that on October eighth, when we had those awful
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Speaker 3: preachers out in Southwest Sydney rejoicing at what had happened
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Speaker 3: on October seven is if that isn't enough, then I
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Speaker 3: am just confounded as to what these laws are supposed
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Speaker 3: to cover. But he's supposed to be bringing Parliament back
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Speaker 3: early to so called strengthen these hate laws. He had
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Speaker 3: to face his caucus in total. He's got ninety four
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Speaker 3: members in there, plus his senators. He has to face
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Speaker 3: them in total. There's an awful lot of right wing
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Speaker 3: labor let Labor Rite probably wouldn't like me calling them
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Speaker 3: right wing labor. Some of them actually are, but you
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Speaker 3: know they are absolutely supportive of Israel and have long
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Speaker 3: histories of so. And I can imagine he will be
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Speaker 3: facing quite a bit of anger, not only from the
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Speaker 3: Australian people, not only from the rest of the Parliament
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Speaker 3: except the Greens, but from his own caucus. And you know,
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Speaker 3: this is just highlighting now the deficiencies that his government
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Speaker 3: has had. It's all about what votes in Southwest Sydney,
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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen and Tony Burke. I hope they've handed their
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Speaker 3: membership to the New South Wales Labor write in because
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Speaker 3: they no longer reflect what those values used to be.
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Speaker 3: They don't reflect the other members of that faction. And
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Speaker 3: he is about to come up for a world of
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Speaker 3: pain and I think that's why he's going to get
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Speaker 3: their drag can correct.
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Speaker 2: And he's also spent two years talking about right wing extremism,
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Speaker 2: talking about Islamophobia.
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Speaker 1: No issue deporting neo.
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Speaker 2: Nazis, but a lot of issues deporting other people of
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Speaker 2: the life.
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Speaker 6: Bribes back.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's bring from home, welcome mad out, Let's bring
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Speaker 2: three thousand gardens in. And I think this is what
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Speaker 2: we're just seeing time and time again, Claire, just the
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Speaker 2: glaring incompetence verging on genuine malice. You actually have to
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Speaker 2: start to wonder. It's too many times, too many errors.
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Speaker 2: Is this more than just incompetence? Is this actually a
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Speaker 2: prime minister that genuinely does not care?
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Speaker 4: I said last week on this show that I found
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Speaker 4: this continued resistance to this royal commission a very strange
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Speaker 4: hell for Albo to die on, and that he potentially
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Speaker 4: could die on it. And at that point there's no
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Speaker 4: other reason other than think, this is not a politician
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Speaker 4: that I see that has a spine and sticks to
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Speaker 4: his values and doubles down. If he really thought an
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Speaker 4: internal review would be quicker, more efficient.
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Speaker 5: Get to where we want.
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Speaker 4: This is the politician that will poll everything, that will
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Speaker 4: cling on to power, that will survey the electorate to
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Speaker 4: see what votes well. So the fact that he didn't
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Speaker 4: just jump on all of these national calls. You can't
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Speaker 4: help that there is a lot there that he is hiding.
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Speaker 5: And so we'll see in coming weeks when Parliament.
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Speaker 4: Is recalled whether he is forced by his colleagues to
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Speaker 4: do a backflip. But at the end of the day,
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Speaker 4: I don't think anyone would disagree that is that just
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Speaker 4: too little, too late, And.
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Speaker 6: I think the reference will be what tells the story.
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Speaker 3: If he can't even bring himself to put the term
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Speaker 3: anti Semitism in the terms of reference, if radical Islam
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Speaker 3: is not specifically called out in the terms of reference,
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Speaker 3: then we can see exactly what he's trying to do,
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Speaker 3: and it'll be the Clayton's Royal Commission.
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Speaker 4: Now moving on, we're going to talk about an issue
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Speaker 4: that resonates, I know, with thousands of families and comes
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Speaker 4: up every now and then, and that is the issue
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Speaker 4: of childcare reforms, and it is under scrutiny again and
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Speaker 4: specifically when we're looking at the childcare subsidy and we're
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Speaker 4: talking about what that subsidy actually subsidizes, and we're not
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Speaker 4: just talking about the cost of it, but more about
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Speaker 4: the rigidity. There was a great article today penned by
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Speaker 4: Jen Fleming in the Daily Telegraph and it talks about
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Speaker 4: just the rigidity of how the childcare subsidy actually can
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Speaker 4: be used. And of course this comes on the week
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Speaker 4: that the government has announced now that every family has
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Speaker 4: access to three days of childcare irrespective of parents earning capacity.
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Speaker 4: It's no longer means tested. But of course you can
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Speaker 4: only use that subsidy at childcare centers and that doesn't
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Speaker 4: suit everyone. And the article goes on to say that
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Speaker 4: we need different care for our children, but we are
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Speaker 4: forced to squeeze our lives into a narrow definition of
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Speaker 4: acceptable care that the government puts forward. One that assumes
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Speaker 4: full time work, standard hours, uninjured kids that's the funny one,
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Speaker 4: and predictable lives. Now, this is a This is a
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Speaker 4: topic I've written about quite a lot for news court papers,
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Speaker 4: and the issue is this the government will only provide
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Speaker 4: relief for parents in terms of giving them so called choice,
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Speaker 4: and that's how it's framed for mothers who either want
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Speaker 4: to stay at home or go back to work, but
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Speaker 4: they'll only do that if you send your child, of course,
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Speaker 4: to childcare. Now, this is not about mothers who want
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Speaker 4: to go back to work or not. And I think
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Speaker 4: the you know, the feminist movements and progressive movements are
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Speaker 4: about giving women choice. And I went back myself very
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Speaker 4: very early on when my children were three to four months,
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Speaker 4: very very part time. But I was enormously lucky that
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Speaker 4: one day a week my baby was cared for by
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Speaker 4: my in laws and another day week by their father,
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Speaker 4: which proved to be a wonderful situation. I was very
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Speaker 4: privileged to be able to do that. But of course,
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Speaker 4: you know, not all women are in that situation. I
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Speaker 4: don't know of any women who have we're talking babies,
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Speaker 4: you know, as a developmental psychologist, I can absolutely see
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Speaker 4: the benefits for childcare in the three to four year
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Speaker 4: age gap before starting school, but learning a lot of
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Speaker 4: skills are going to help them transition into kindergarten. But
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Speaker 4: when we're talking about babies under twelve months of age,
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Speaker 4: I don't have any friends that are very happy and
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Speaker 4: willing to put their six month old four month old
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Speaker 4: over sometimes still breastfed over into you don't have a childcare.
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Speaker 3: Don't have a baby to go oh, and I can't
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Speaker 3: wait to get them to the childcare center.
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Speaker 1: I made progression that's not hard at it every feel like.
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Speaker 4: We're baby making machines. If that's the case you want
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Speaker 4: to be.
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Speaker 3: Most mothers want to be at home with their babies.
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Speaker 3: But where this sort of stuff drives me crazy is
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Speaker 3: childcare center.
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Speaker 6: My kids never went to a big childcare center ever.
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Speaker 3: And I'm sorry if people that do send their kids
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Speaker 3: there and then you love them or you own a
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Speaker 3: childcare center, and I'm sure there's some fabulous ones, but
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Speaker 3: I just never liked the concept of my kids going
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Speaker 3: into some big center.
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Speaker 6: And you know, the.
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Speaker 3: Only option we had we were in rural New South Wales.
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Speaker 3: So when we were in Maury, there was a couple
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Speaker 3: of childcare centers and we were lucky we had a
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Speaker 3: great family daycare network so we could utilize that. But
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Speaker 3: when we moved out to the farm and we were
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Speaker 3: eighty k's out of town, there are no childcare centers.
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Speaker 3: And so this is where this inflexibility comes from. And
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Speaker 3: it's like so many of their policies we see, particularly
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Speaker 3: labor governments, spew out. They're only about what happens in
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Speaker 3: the seat of Graindler or the seat of Sydney, or
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Speaker 3: you know, if you're in a region. You know, if
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Speaker 3: you're in a metropolitan center, there's childcare centers, all of that,
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Speaker 3: so they push things towards that, and the policy settings
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Speaker 3: are all full people in metropolitan areas.
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Speaker 6: If you're workers, what about shift, we pull shift, We're
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Speaker 6: forget it.
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Speaker 3: If you've got a job that requires travel and you know,
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Speaker 3: this is where we need to invest in the child
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Speaker 3: themselves and the family, not in sporting and fundamentally subsidizing
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Speaker 3: childcare centers. If you've ever seen someone who owns childcare
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Speaker 3: centers not driving a really nice car and a really
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Speaker 3: big house. They do very well for themselves. We need
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Speaker 3: to make sure they we're actually funding the family so
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Speaker 3: they can make the decisions themselves, whether that's no pair,
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Speaker 3: whether it's a nanny getting together with a group of
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Speaker 3: girlfriends and sharing a nanny, whether it's grandparents being able
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Speaker 3: to come in, whatever the makeup might be. We need
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Speaker 3: to make it fit for purpose, for families to make
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Speaker 3: the best decision and not just subsidized childcare.
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Speaker 1: That's the question.
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Speaker 2: What is actually the fundamental driver and motivation behind this policy.
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Speaker 2: Is it actually about giving women choice or giving families choice?
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Speaker 2: Is it about doing what's best for the child. That's
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Speaker 2: how they try to frame it. Oh, it's just helping
19:34
Speaker 2: women get back to work. It's good developmentally for children.
19:38
Speaker 2: But it's clearly not about giving women choice. If you're
19:41
Speaker 2: not giving them the choice to use informal childcare, to
19:45
Speaker 2: use in laws, grandparents, or God forbidout right themselves home,
19:50
Speaker 2: stay home, oh my goodness, that's a crazy thought. And
19:53
Speaker 2: also on the developmental point, there's a lot of evidence
19:57
Speaker 2: coming out that says putting a child in childcare, especially
20:00
Speaker 2: when they're under three years old, for over in fifteen
20:04
Speaker 2: twenty hours a week, does have negative impacts on them,
20:08
Speaker 2: and I think that is the point. The real reason
20:11
Speaker 2: for this policy is just the government trying to get
20:14
Speaker 2: the female workforce participation rate up so they can boost
20:18
Speaker 2: their bottom line and collect more tax revenue. But now
20:21
Speaker 2: we as taxpayers are going to have to spend it's
20:23
Speaker 2: about sixteen to eighteen billion dollars a year we're spending
20:28
Speaker 2: on childcare subsidies. Give that money to families directly, don't subsidize,
20:34
Speaker 2: don't just give out middle class welfare.
20:36
Speaker 3: Well, it's about paying for boosting the education union. It's
20:40
Speaker 3: about indoctrinating children early, and it's got nothing to do
20:44
Speaker 3: with developmental issues around children, Because children don't have to
20:48
Speaker 3: go to childcare centers. A lot of three and four
20:50
Speaker 3: year olds go to preschools before they go to kindergarten,
20:53
Speaker 3: which are not daycare, they're actually early learning opportunities for children,
20:58
Speaker 3: socialization for children, all of those things that are important,
21:01
Speaker 3: but everything has been impacted by when you see socialist
21:05
Speaker 3: government initiatives, and you know the NDIS plays a part
21:07
Speaker 3: in this. There used to be a lot of community
21:09
Speaker 3: groups that used to run music classes and storybook things
21:14
Speaker 3: and all these sorts of community led programs. A lot
21:17
Speaker 3: of them got funding from councils or state governments that.
21:20
Speaker 6: All disappeared with the NDIS.
21:22
Speaker 3: And I know that sounds ridiculous, but a lot of
21:23
Speaker 3: these were there to support a lot of kids with
21:26
Speaker 3: special needs and challenges in integrating into broader communities.
21:32
Speaker 6: And they've all disappeared because the funding.
21:34
Speaker 3: Got taken away by state governments because they went this
21:38
Speaker 3: can all go under the NDAs.
21:39
Speaker 2: And it's all become commercialized. Same thing with childcare. If
21:42
Speaker 2: you actually look at the rates of informal care, which
21:45
Speaker 2: was community daycares a neighbor down the road, that's harved,
21:50
Speaker 2: but then the rates of formal institutional care have gone
21:53
Speaker 2: up because that is the only thing the government's now supporting.
21:56
Speaker 2: But let's stay with this theme of children and look over.
22:00
Speaker 1: At the US.
22:01
Speaker 2: RFK is the Health secretary over there, and he's been
22:05
Speaker 2: on a mission to make America healthy again. Part of
22:09
Speaker 2: the work he's undertaken is to review the US's vaccination
22:13
Speaker 2: guidelines for children, and today they've released new guidelines reducing
22:19
Speaker 2: the number of recommended vaccines for children from seventeen down
22:23
Speaker 2: to eleven vaccinations.
22:26
Speaker 1: Now, I must say this.
22:28
Speaker 2: Is not an area that I claim to be an
22:30
Speaker 2: expert in whatsoever, but it is interesting URFK and the
22:35
Speaker 2: Trump administration argue that the US, compared to peer countries,
22:41
Speaker 2: was recommending more vaccinations for more diseases, and sometimes at
22:46
Speaker 2: double the dose recommended by even other European countries. Now, Claire,
22:53
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on this because it is such.
22:55
Speaker 1: A fraught area.
22:57
Speaker 2: But I am all for looking at the science, looking
23:01
Speaker 2: at the evidence. Let's do the studies before we take
23:05
Speaker 2: one side.
23:06
Speaker 6: Or the other.
23:07
Speaker 4: It is a fraud area. I find this really dangerous.
23:11
Speaker 4: I understand what you're saying, and perhaps perhaps they do
23:14
Speaker 4: need to look at what they're recommending compared to other
23:16
Speaker 4: European countries. But bringing it home, I will say there
23:20
Speaker 4: are pockets of parents in this country. And I'm not
23:24
Speaker 4: talking about the hippies up at Byron Bay.
23:26
Speaker 5: I am talking. Sorry, if you live at Byron Bay,
23:28
Speaker 5: I love, I love Byron Bay.
23:30
Speaker 4: But I am talking about pockets of parents I know
23:33
Speaker 4: in Sydney who are very anti vaccine, who have gone
23:38
Speaker 4: against the Australian government's recommended vaccine schedule for their children.
23:43
Speaker 5: And when you.
23:44
Speaker 4: Talk to them they say, oh, no, I've done my
23:46
Speaker 4: own research. I mean, that line just drives me crazy.
23:51
Speaker 4: And I think it does go in hand with the
23:54
Speaker 4: last ten to fifteen years of this very kind of
23:56
Speaker 4: anti establishment pushing back against West medicine. There seems to
24:01
Speaker 4: be you know, I understand people are scared of Big Farmer.
24:05
Speaker 4: They think everything's a conspiracy, but at the end of
24:08
Speaker 4: the day, the proof is the lack of measles, the
24:11
Speaker 4: lack of polio, the lack of early deaths.
24:14
Speaker 5: And I'm really worried of just that rhetoric.
24:17
Speaker 4: And if I can say, one of the dangers of
24:22
Speaker 4: the Internet, amongst many is the information that is out
24:26
Speaker 4: there to perhaps minds that aren't equipped to process it.
24:31
Speaker 4: And understand that that is not a peer reviewed study,
24:35
Speaker 4: and they can take evidence from wherever they want it,
24:38
Speaker 4: put it together and say I've done the research. And
24:40
Speaker 4: that's what really because as soon as we reduce that
24:43
Speaker 4: herd immunity, wait and watch, we will have these diceas
24:46
Speaker 4: diseases that we have eradicated from our children coming back.
24:51
Speaker 1: Yeah.
24:51
Speaker 3: And I love the line they said, you know, this
24:54
Speaker 3: is going to take time to roll out to see
24:56
Speaker 3: what the impacts are. And it's like trying to grow
24:59
Speaker 3: pineapples in Nebraska. It's going to fail spectacular, but it's
25:02
Speaker 3: going to take a year or two to find out.
25:04
Speaker 3: And I mean, RFK, I don't mind some of the
25:08
Speaker 3: things that he has done since he's taken over the
25:10
Speaker 3: Health secretary position, but having followed him for quite a while,
25:14
Speaker 3: he was one of the very loud advocates that it
25:17
Speaker 3: was vaccines that caused autism, something that has been completely
25:20
Speaker 3: and utterly debunct. It's not the case. But every time
25:24
Speaker 3: I read something like this and I think, oh, it's
25:26
Speaker 3: all about the tism. Got to get rid of the autism.
25:29
Speaker 3: You know, autism has been around forever. It's been around
25:31
Speaker 3: whilst Polyo and measles were there before. We have vaccines,
25:34
Speaker 3: real autism, actual autism, the autism that used to exist
25:38
Speaker 3: before we had the NDIS and everyone has autism now.
25:42
Speaker 1: Yeah.
25:42
Speaker 3: But you know, local government, that's a whole new level
25:46
Speaker 3: of fun and games. And in a bid to further
25:49
Speaker 3: extract themselves from any scrutiny whatsoever going forward somewhere where
25:53
Speaker 3: scrutiny should be required, local councils across New South Wales
25:57
Speaker 3: are about to ban their ratepayers from actually attending and
26:01
Speaker 3: speaking at council meetings because God forbid, the poor counselors
26:04
Speaker 3: had to sit there at times till two o'clock in
26:07
Speaker 3: the morning listening to their winging, complaining electors. The rate
26:11
Speaker 3: payers that actually put them into offers, pay their wages
26:14
Speaker 3: and pay for all the other recreature what they get
26:16
Speaker 3: on the lovely conferences so many local councilors love to attend.
26:20
Speaker 3: So now they're saying that their rape payers can turn
26:22
Speaker 3: up to express their frustration a week out from any
26:26
Speaker 3: council meeting. Now, this to me is just blowing democracy
26:29
Speaker 3: up and just it's the biggest raspberry being blown to
26:33
Speaker 3: rate payers across New South Wales. I think it's disgraceful. Unfortunately,
26:38
Speaker 3: when you go into politics, there's a thing called voters
26:41
Speaker 3: that you have to deal with. I was a senator
26:43
Speaker 3: because I tried to limit that wherever I could. Just joking,
26:46
Speaker 3: but you know, you do have to deal with the
26:48
Speaker 3: electorate and the people that vote you into those positions.
26:51
Speaker 3: And you know, counselors, I'm sorry you are at the
26:53
Speaker 3: very coal face at the front facing end of this,
26:58
Speaker 3: and to try and ban the people that put you there, well,
27:01
Speaker 3: then maybe that out the place for you.
27:03
Speaker 2: But to play devil's advocate here. I've seen some Inner
27:06
Speaker 2: West council meetings, especially when they're debating things like BDS motions.
27:11
Speaker 1: And it's not residents.
27:13
Speaker 2: It's like two hundred crazy professional protesters that rock up
27:17
Speaker 2: and just scream and derail the meeting.
27:20
Speaker 1: They try to issue to.
27:21
Speaker 3: Be a rape, you should have to be a rape
27:23
Speaker 3: pay to speak at a local council meeting.
27:26
Speaker 1: Council meetings are not therapy sessions.
27:28
Speaker 4: Sometimes they got like two am, don't they I haven't
27:31
Speaker 4: been to one.
27:32
Speaker 3: Guess what the Senate went all nights. We were back
27:35
Speaker 3: first thing in the morning.
27:36
Speaker 1: But you didn't have to listen to people winging the
27:38
Speaker 1: whole line.
27:38
Speaker 3: That's because we're federal, you know, councils at the could fare.
27:42
Speaker 6: That's your problem, not mine.
27:44
Speaker 2: Well, we're going to go to a break now and
27:46
Speaker 2: coming up after the break, men, young men, they are
27:50
Speaker 2: a new clientele for plastic surgery. It's all part of
27:54
Speaker 2: this bizarre new trend called looks maxing, and it could
27:58
Speaker 2: be the start of something a lot more sinister. Stay tuned,
28:06
Speaker 2: welcome back to the program. Well, Labor's social media ban
28:09
Speaker 2: has been going for about a month, but nothing really
28:13
Speaker 2: feels like it's changed very much. I still see kids
28:17
Speaker 2: walking around scrolling Instagram and apparently some people have been
28:21
Speaker 2: kicked off, but a lot of others have found ways
28:24
Speaker 2: around it, have managed to change the settings, and some
28:27
Speaker 2: even still tell social media companies their age and seem
28:31
Speaker 2: to have accounts. Claire, you wrote a fantastic opinion piece today.
28:39
Speaker 1: Tell us what is so concerning about this?
28:42
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, there was obviously a lot of hype and
28:44
Speaker 4: a lot of talking in the lead up to this ban,
28:47
Speaker 4: and a lot of opinions or where the government and
28:49
Speaker 4: legislation should be used in this way.
28:51
Speaker 5: And so we're one month.
28:53
Speaker 4: In school holidays as well, and a lot of people
28:57
Speaker 4: are saying, well, what's happened, Claire?
28:58
Speaker 5: Are these kids on it? The reality is is that if.
29:01
Speaker 4: You are between thirteen and fifteen years old, most kids
29:05
Speaker 4: are still on it. As you said, Freyer, they are
29:07
Speaker 4: either having workarounds, they were kicked off it, but there's
29:10
Speaker 4: some work around and they're putting in their parents' details,
29:13
Speaker 4: or a lot of kids are telling me, oh, nothing
29:15
Speaker 4: happened to my Snapchat, nothing happened to my Instagram. I'm
29:19
Speaker 4: just still using it with my underage now birth date
29:23
Speaker 4: in there. And so look, there's a couple of things here.
29:26
Speaker 4: First of all, I was always kind of reluctantly on
29:30
Speaker 4: the fence about this, and not as a psychologist, because
29:32
Speaker 4: I think kids should be on social media.
29:35
Speaker 5: I think they should be absolutely off it. I think
29:37
Speaker 5: they should be.
29:37
Speaker 4: Off smartphones, but I was nervous about putting that as
29:42
Speaker 4: a legislative government role to do it. I do think
29:47
Speaker 4: that this banned, this legislation will positively impact thousands, if
29:52
Speaker 4: not millions of Australian children. It won't be the teenagers now,
29:56
Speaker 4: it will be the next generations. I've got young kids
29:59
Speaker 4: now who who now know they just will not be
30:02
Speaker 4: getting social media until they're sixteen, and they've got a
30:04
Speaker 4: couple of years for that just to be normalized.
30:07
Speaker 5: They know it's against the law.
30:08
Speaker 4: So I think for parents that I talk to with
30:11
Speaker 4: young children, they are very, very thankful. The second issue, though,
30:16
Speaker 4: as I wrote today in the AFR, is about what
30:19
Speaker 4: is the role of government and legislation, because is the
30:22
Speaker 4: role to be able to assist parents in making parenting
30:26
Speaker 4: decisions that they otherwise felt woods too hard to make.
30:30
Speaker 4: And second of all, if there are kids on these
30:33
Speaker 4: social media platforms, now, well where is the government? Where
30:37
Speaker 4: is the e Safety Commissioner chasing the millions and millions
30:42
Speaker 4: of fines they should be.
30:44
Speaker 5: Coughing up already?
30:45
Speaker 4: These tech companies are technically breaking the law, but seemingly
30:49
Speaker 4: nothing is being done about it.
30:51
Speaker 5: So I just think that it does make.
30:54
Speaker 4: A little bit of a mockery of laws and legislation
30:57
Speaker 4: about what can be enforced and what can't. So, you know,
31:01
Speaker 4: is one law more important than another law? Can I
31:03
Speaker 4: now say, well, you know, I know it's against the
31:06
Speaker 4: law not to shoplift, but you know, are you going
31:09
Speaker 4: to enforce that or not? So I just think that
31:11
Speaker 4: it's we have to see how this rolls out in
31:14
Speaker 4: the next six months. There are a lot of parents
31:16
Speaker 4: who are very happy about it, and I think it
31:18
Speaker 4: will assist them in the future. But at the moment
31:21
Speaker 4: there just doesn't seem to be the follow through. Now
31:23
Speaker 4: was it all theatrics? Was it all kind of what a.
31:26
Speaker 3: Shock that this government produced something that was, you know,
31:30
Speaker 3: more style than substance.
31:32
Speaker 6: I mean it was, you know, all bang and no barker.
31:36
Speaker 6: I don't know, it just seems to be that, you know.
31:38
Speaker 3: Anika Wells went on a New York jaunt, told everyone
31:41
Speaker 3: how fabulous she was, did a little worldwide tour of
31:45
Speaker 3: how awesome the Albanezy government was, and it was being
31:47
Speaker 3: rolled out elsewhere.
31:48
Speaker 6: Well, nothing to say here. Now it's all finished. We've
31:51
Speaker 6: got the positive.
31:52
Speaker 4: Press is watching us and talking about putting in place
31:56
Speaker 4: the same, so they will be watching in the next
31:58
Speaker 4: few months how this is actually implemented.
32:01
Speaker 2: I think one of the most effective things the social
32:04
Speaker 2: media band could do though, is give parents more permission
32:09
Speaker 2: to be able to stand up to their children. One
32:11
Speaker 2: of the hardest parts, and I remember this going through school.
32:14
Speaker 2: I didn't love social media. I saw what it was
32:17
Speaker 2: doing to my friends. It was very toxic, especially for
32:21
Speaker 2: young girls. But if you're not on it, well then
32:24
Speaker 2: you're not getting invited to the parties, you're left out
32:27
Speaker 2: of all the group chats, and so it does kind
32:30
Speaker 2: of put parents and kids in an impossible situation where
32:34
Speaker 2: you're choosing between either participating in toxic social media or
32:39
Speaker 2: being socially isolated, and it's hard to know how to navigate.
32:43
Speaker 3: That's what Jonathan Hay was talking about. That it's you know,
32:46
Speaker 3: there were parent groups in the US coming together, classes
32:50
Speaker 3: coming together, schools coming together and saying that's it. We're
32:53
Speaker 3: moving all our kids to these so called dumb phones
32:57
Speaker 3: so they don't have access to social media, than the
33:00
Speaker 3: kids not on it being the exception to the rule,
33:03
Speaker 3: it's actually all the kids are off it, all the
33:05
Speaker 3: parents are backing each other up.
33:07
Speaker 6: You know, we didn't have social media.
33:09
Speaker 3: When I was a kid, but I remember I was
33:11
Speaker 3: able to get my ease piece because I told my
33:13
Speaker 3: mom that if I got mine done, Susannah could get
33:15
Speaker 3: hers done. And Susannah told her mom if she got
33:18
Speaker 3: hers done, Holly could get hers done. And that was
33:20
Speaker 3: the same form of sort of you know, I have
33:22
Speaker 3: to be on Facebook because so and so is on Facebook.
33:25
Speaker 6: And that's how I'm going to know. Whereas if you.
33:27
Speaker 3: If you're able to say, well, no, no one in
33:29
Speaker 3: the school's on it, no one in the classes on it.
33:31
Speaker 6: They're therefore it's not existing that there.
33:33
Speaker 4: Is no parent that hands over Snapchat, Instagram, whatever we're
33:38
Speaker 4: on and when the kid turns twelve and goes to
33:40
Speaker 4: your seven, willingly and happily, they do it because every single.
33:44
Speaker 5: Other child is on it. And you're right.
33:46
Speaker 4: My whole philosophy the last of five seven years has
33:49
Speaker 4: been if you group parents together and at least you
33:52
Speaker 4: have a couple of them where they're not on it
33:54
Speaker 4: in the classroom, you can say no, you are not
33:56
Speaker 4: the only one. There's at least half a dozen of you.
33:58
Speaker 4: And yes, it will give parents confidence. I'm just questioning
34:01
Speaker 4: is that the role of government. I mean, as a
34:03
Speaker 4: parent of young children, I actually am glad I can
34:06
Speaker 4: say nopes against the law. Sorry, not happening, but we
34:09
Speaker 4: really are at a crossroads and I just think it
34:11
Speaker 4: speaks more about law and law has to be in
34:14
Speaker 4: line with social value and also.
34:17
Speaker 3: Get away with stuff because they find a way around,
34:20
Speaker 3: you know, they always find a way around, doesn't matter
34:22
Speaker 3: what it is. There's always a way around. And I
34:25
Speaker 3: think the other thing facing parents, you know, I don't
34:29
Speaker 3: even know what some of the apps are, and there's
34:32
Speaker 3: all of these new technologies and new apps coming out,
34:35
Speaker 3: and as a parent, when you're busy and you're trying
34:38
Speaker 3: to run the life and run you know, your life,
34:41
Speaker 3: their life, school life, everything going on, you're not up
34:44
Speaker 3: to date with what the latest app is. I mean,
34:47
Speaker 3: I actually said to my daughter today, she's eighteen, what
34:51
Speaker 3: can you explain Snapchat to me? Because you know, her
34:54
Speaker 3: boyfriend was sending a messages on Snapchat and she's like, God,
34:57
Speaker 3: it's just a messaging platform.
34:58
Speaker 6: But you can send photos on it as well. And
35:00
Speaker 6: I'm like, well, you can.
35:01
Speaker 3: Do that on text, you can do that on WhatsApp,
35:04
Speaker 3: you can do that on a whole lot of platforms.
35:06
Speaker 3: So I still don't understand the point of it. But
35:09
Speaker 3: you know, and I think that's the issue as well.
35:11
Speaker 3: As we get older, the generations all have different interests
35:14
Speaker 3: and capabilities and their own new fand angled theme.
35:18
Speaker 1: Yeah.
35:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Well moving on now, but saying I suppose
35:23
Speaker 4: with children, we're learning now that in Finland they are
35:28
Speaker 4: tackling this battle against fake news in the classroom, and
35:31
Speaker 4: they're starting my teaching preschoolers how to recognize AI and
35:38
Speaker 4: deep fake. So we're talking about three, four and five
35:41
Speaker 4: year olds and they think that we should start early
35:44
Speaker 4: and at the moment and weaving into literacy and their
35:49
Speaker 4: normal things that they're teaching preschoolers now they want them
35:52
Speaker 4: to be able to recognize what is misinformation disinformation and
35:56
Speaker 4: it now is forming part of their national curriculum. So
36:00
Speaker 4: you know, what do I think about these? I think
36:02
Speaker 4: it's pretty pragmatic. I suppose it's clever in a way,
36:06
Speaker 4: but it just makes me incredibly sad. I mean, I
36:09
Speaker 4: just can't think about little three and four year old
36:12
Speaker 4: kids and are at the point where we as a society.
36:16
Speaker 5: I think it says.
36:17
Speaker 4: Much more about our cultural decline that we have to
36:20
Speaker 4: now embed or at least Finland has embedded this into
36:24
Speaker 4: a curriculum when kids should be learning about numbers and
36:27
Speaker 4: shapes and finger painting. And I think the other thing
36:30
Speaker 4: here is that Finland has the advantage I think, at
36:34
Speaker 4: least at this stage, like a lot of Nordic countries
36:36
Speaker 4: do a far better social cohesion I think than possibly
36:41
Speaker 4: Australia now, and particularly the education system over there. I
36:45
Speaker 4: don't think has been completely politicized and you know, ideologically
36:49
Speaker 4: based and weaponized.
36:51
Speaker 5: So I can't see that.
36:53
Speaker 4: Actually working in Australia because there will be an ongoing
36:56
Speaker 4: argument of whose.
36:57
Speaker 5: Truth is the truth? What is the truth?
37:00
Speaker 4: That is the absolute gymnastics A unit to say that
37:04
Speaker 4: feelings aren't facts, because I thought that's what we taught.
37:06
Speaker 6: Now I mean that.
37:07
Speaker 5: This is ridiculous.
37:08
Speaker 6: This is the ridiculousness.
37:10
Speaker 2: And if this was taught in Australian schools, the source
37:13
Speaker 2: of what is true news would be the ABC.
37:17
Speaker 1: Anything would be any contrary.
37:20
Speaker 2: Opinion would be fact checked as misinformation, like we saw
37:24
Speaker 2: when they used to have the r miit fact lab
37:27
Speaker 2: and everything that was maybe just a different perspective you
37:31
Speaker 2: could then fact check it. And that's the problem. You
37:34
Speaker 2: can't teach kids what's right or wrong. You can only
37:36
Speaker 2: teach them how to think critically. And it is interesting
37:40
Speaker 2: though for Finland this wasn't necessarily a political thing. It
37:43
Speaker 2: was a national security imperative because back in twenty fourteen
37:47
Speaker 2: that was the first election where they saw Russia that
37:49
Speaker 2: they share a border with, trying to interfere through misinformation
37:54
Speaker 2: in their elections. But now I think that term itself
37:57
Speaker 2: has become such a trojan whore us to sneak in
38:01
Speaker 2: so much censorship. But when I hear people talking about misinformation,
38:04
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, come on.
38:05
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I just feel sorry for these kids.
38:07
Speaker 3: Are they ever gonna get to experience Santa Claus and
38:11
Speaker 3: the Tooth Fairy and all these things that you have
38:14
Speaker 3: as a child that are make believe that are hyper
38:18
Speaker 3: They are because there is a growing friend it's fake news,
38:22
Speaker 3: but there.
38:23
Speaker 6: Is a growing I hope you really do.
38:25
Speaker 4: But I do know adults that have specifically chosen not
38:31
Speaker 4: to do Santa Claus and the Truth Fairy because they
38:33
Speaker 4: don't want to like to their children.
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Speaker 5: I just find that incredibly.
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Speaker 3: Friends with those people would just not be because sorry,
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Speaker 3: there's no greater joy as a parent than playing Santa
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Speaker 3: Claus and wrapping the presents and making sure it's in
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Speaker 3: different papers than.
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Speaker 2: Parence got in trouble because when I was in kindergarten,
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Speaker 2: I would go around the playground telling all the other
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Speaker 2: kids that Santa wasn't real, and the mom pulled my
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Speaker 2: mom a side and said, your daughter's ruining.
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Speaker 1: Chris, are horrible.
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Speaker 2: That I said for truth, I don't. And I started
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Speaker 2: standing for truth at the ripe old age of five years.
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Speaker 5: Old in the plodcast Just a Joy Class Jesus.
39:18
Speaker 2: So let's move on now and continue to talk about
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Speaker 2: young people. There is a trend online and it's called
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Speaker 2: looks Maxing. It is basically where young men go to
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Speaker 2: extreme lengths.
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Speaker 1: To improve their physical appearance.
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Speaker 2: It started off as just exercise, go to the gym,
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Speaker 2: get some sun, take care of your skin, but it's
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Speaker 2: escalated into full on plastic surgery, filler, botox, and now
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Speaker 2: even a trend called bone smashing, where you intentionally break
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Speaker 2: your facial bones in an attempt to get them to
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Speaker 2: grow back bigger and stronger.
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Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 7: Ah certing to hurt man, let's steal a little bit more.
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Speaker 7: No contraction of the face. I know it hurts, but
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Speaker 7: that means it's working. That's the only.
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Speaker 2: Indication this is serious. This is so that guy. He's
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Speaker 2: one of the main looks maxes and they have millions
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Speaker 2: of followers online and it's deeply concerning. I think we've
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Speaker 2: gone so fine. This is how society often works. The
40:36
Speaker 2: pendulum will swing. Ten years ago will peak body positivity.
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Speaker 2: Sports companies were doing ads with obese women. Now we've
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Speaker 2: gone the opposite way, where breaking your bones is now
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Speaker 2: a way to improve your looks.
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Speaker 4: Part of me thinks, well, it's about time the men
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Speaker 4: had to go with this stuff, sticking needles in their
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Speaker 4: face and doing all this stuff. But look on it
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Speaker 4: on a serious note. I mean that is body dysmorphic.
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Speaker 4: You know that it's a body dysmorphia disorder, and that
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Speaker 4: is not I mean, that's pathological, and that is the
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Speaker 4: signs I think of a mental disorder that you would
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Speaker 4: sit there and say, you know it hurts, but it's working.
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Speaker 5: I'm going to continue to smash my face.
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Speaker 4: I mean anyway, there was an article out that also
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Speaker 4: these kind of looks maxes are saying that they would
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Speaker 4: absolutely choose their presidential candidate and who they would vote
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Speaker 4: for purely on their chisel draw and these features.
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Speaker 5: I actually don't think that that's so far out.
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Speaker 4: I think people have actually always tended towards voting for
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Speaker 4: people or being attracted to leaders who are attractive. There's
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Speaker 4: a lot of research around attractiveness and that attractive people
41:45
Speaker 4: seem to get cheaper meals, they get discounts, they get
41:49
Speaker 4: an easier going life. There's a lot of evidence about that,
41:53
Speaker 4: so that's not unheard of. I think back the presidential
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Speaker 4: election of Nixon and Kennedy. Back then there was you know,
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Speaker 4: people love that choosel look of Kennedy and when they
42:04
Speaker 4: watched the debates that he would always come out as
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Speaker 4: the winner. If the debates were on radio, Nixon would
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Speaker 4: be the winner when they only listen to the contents.
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Speaker 5: That that's nothing new.
42:13
Speaker 4: But yet we have come a long way now, and
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Speaker 4: even the term I can't get my head around looks smaxing.
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Speaker 5: I'm out.
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Speaker 3: Look, I just I think this generation is just making
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Speaker 3: up terms for stuff that we've always done. I mean,
42:26
Speaker 3: that's the thing. They're just coming up with new words
42:28
Speaker 3: so that their parents and people with an education above
42:31
Speaker 3: a certain level have zero idea of what they're talking about.
42:34
Speaker 3: But really they're just talking about stuff that's already existed,
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Speaker 3: and they're really not making up anything new.
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Speaker 6: That guy's a real worry and I'm sorry.
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Speaker 3: If that guy is influencing the next generation of voters,
42:44
Speaker 3: well then you will deserve what you get in the
42:45
Speaker 3: coming twenty thirty forty years, because that is frightening. And
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Speaker 3: the fact that he's sort of saying that he would
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Speaker 3: vote for govern Newsom over JD Vance because he's a
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Speaker 3: fat subhuman that's jd Vance seriously, use them is one
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Speaker 3: step off a communist. But somehow or other, that's a
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Speaker 3: better idea because you're no. I mean, honestly, you get
43:08
Speaker 3: what you deserve. And there's a saying that voters, you know,
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Speaker 3: always get it right, but voters also get what they deserve.
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Speaker 3: And if that's the way the youth of the today
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Speaker 3: want to go forward when they're making decisions. Because politics,
43:19
Speaker 3: for all the jokes we might make or the commentary
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Speaker 3: we might have, it's a really sense you know, it's
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Speaker 3: a really serious issue. It has real impacts on lives
43:28
Speaker 3: going forward, both in the near and longer terms. And
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Speaker 3: the fact that someone would make a decision on voting
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Speaker 3: preference and influence other people, because remember these people are
43:38
Speaker 3: influencers with millions of followers based on how someone looks,
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Speaker 3: not what they're going to deliver for you. I find
43:45
Speaker 3: is just so naive and dangerous that we're going to
43:48
Speaker 3: end up in a situation where these kids are going
43:52
Speaker 3: to turn around and go, oh, but how did the world.
43:53
Speaker 6: Get this way? Well, because you idiots voted for them.
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Speaker 6: Because they've got a chisel jaw.
43:58
Speaker 1: Yeah.
43:58
Speaker 2: Well, and if you're not injecting us or smashing your
44:01
Speaker 2: face to improve your looks, you might want to head
44:03
Speaker 2: over to China where you can sign yourself up for
44:05
Speaker 2: a fat camp. These have exploded in popularity as obesity
44:10
Speaker 2: rates have increased, and one young influencer online content creator
44:16
Speaker 2: even took to social media to show what life is
44:19
Speaker 2: like A day in the life in China fat prison.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that looks kind of fun, but it's four
44:43
Speaker 2: hours a day of exercise, tiny meals that are all portioned, controlled,
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Speaker 2: can't bring anything in from outside, and it's surrounded by
44:52
Speaker 2: a barbed wire fence so you can't even escape. Claire
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Speaker 2: as a psychologist, is that actually healthy?
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Speaker 4: They're literal locked in, aren't they. They're locked in like
45:02
Speaker 4: a prison. Well, I mean, I think it goes to
45:04
Speaker 4: show It says something about motivation and human motivation that
45:09
Speaker 4: will power alone is not sufficient if you don't change
45:13
Speaker 4: your environment around you. You know, will flower is a
45:16
Speaker 4: muscle that will fatigue and you won't be able to
45:18
Speaker 4: do it. That's why people can't stick to news resolutions.
45:20
Speaker 4: They make a decision to lose weight, but their pantry
45:24
Speaker 4: is still full of crap, and they still drive home
45:26
Speaker 4: past mackers and you know, so they don't change their environment.
45:29
Speaker 5: So here is an.
45:29
Speaker 4: Extreme where people are self electing to say lock me up,
45:34
Speaker 4: take away the food.
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Speaker 5: Sounds like hell to me.
45:37
Speaker 4: It says here they have Sundays off apart from a
45:40
Speaker 4: spin class in the afternoon.
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Speaker 5: I mean, that's not Sundays off.
45:43
Speaker 3: That's like, I'm sure that Sundries off a long lunch, Yes, Sunday,
45:47
Speaker 3: and you're not going to have a sharden nail or
45:49
Speaker 3: two and then decide to go to a spin class. Yeah,
45:51
Speaker 3: maybe that'd be the only reason I would decide to
45:53
Speaker 3: go to a spin class becauseil but i' what an
45:57
Speaker 3: awful experience.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but look, if it proves your health, I would
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Speaker 2: rather go through a Chinese fat camp than be morbidly obese.
46:05
Speaker 4: Well, you gonna come out and just go back to
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Speaker 4: you know, like you're gonna put it all back.
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Speaker 2: That would be the interesting question. Do they keep the
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Speaker 2: weight off once they return to real life.
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Speaker 3: I'd prefer to go through the Chinese fat prism, then
46:15
Speaker 3: sit there with something and whack my face in the
46:18
Speaker 3: hope that the bones grab throw back bigger so somehow or.
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Speaker 6: Other, myke, could we combine the better how.
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Speaker 3: I think you need psychological therapy and whatever of those
46:28
Speaker 3: situations you're in, serious serious help required there. But I
46:33
Speaker 3: tell you what, this is a woman after my own heart.
46:36
Speaker 3: So this woman actually booked in advance for her trip
46:40
Speaker 3: four and a half hour flight, paid more to ensure
46:43
Speaker 3: she had an aisle seat because she experiences sort of
46:47
Speaker 3: like lots of us do, don't want to sit in
46:48
Speaker 3: the middle seat and be a bit claustrophobic and trapped
46:51
Speaker 3: in there, so paid paid extra for this seat, only
46:54
Speaker 3: to have a family sit to one side of her
46:56
Speaker 3: across the aisle and the father be in the middle
47:00
Speaker 3: seat next to her, who then asked or quite frankly,
47:03
Speaker 3: demanded her swap seats with him. When she politely refused,
47:07
Speaker 3: he then proceeded to act worse than a toddler and
47:10
Speaker 3: lean over her the whole trip and talk to his
47:13
Speaker 3: wife over her. Even his wife apparently started to give
47:16
Speaker 3: him looks to say, stop being so petty. But when
47:18
Speaker 3: this woman exchanged what occurred on X she received death
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Speaker 3: threats and absolute horrible abuse. But I just I'm with
47:27
Speaker 3: the woman. You book early, you pay for the aisle seat.
47:30
Speaker 3: Why would you got why would you voluntarily after paying
47:34
Speaker 3: for an aisle seat go put yourself on a.
47:37
Speaker 2: Paid That's different, But it is polite to let a
47:39
Speaker 2: family sit together.
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, trust me, you want to do
47:43
Speaker 3: that father a favor. He should have been grateful she
47:46
Speaker 3: didn't swap with him and enjoy the peace and quiet
47:49
Speaker 3: in that four and.
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Speaker 6: A half hour.
47:51
Speaker 3: I think that father is full of it and that
47:53
Speaker 3: is exactly where the But she anyway, she got death threats,
47:56
Speaker 3: she got to pay out from X, thank them all
47:58
Speaker 3: for the death.
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Speaker 6: Threats, and is now booked a trip to Europe.
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Speaker 4: Can I just qualify this was not a twenty four
48:02
Speaker 4: hour long haul flight.
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Speaker 5: This was a four hour flight.
48:06
Speaker 4: And if you walk corner plane with your partner and
48:08
Speaker 4: you've got a couple of kids and you pull the
48:11
Speaker 4: short straw or the long straw and you're sitting without
48:14
Speaker 4: the kids, you're saying.
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Speaker 1: Sorry last later.
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Speaker 5: I'm ordering a drink see you in four hours time.
48:20
Speaker 2: So we're going to roast this guy because he's an
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Speaker 2: attentive father and husband.
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Speaker 1: Not on guys.
48:26
Speaker 2: Well, we're going to go to a break and coming
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Speaker 2: up after the break, how much would you pay for
48:31
Speaker 2: a massive tuna at a fish market in Tokyo. One
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Speaker 2: has gone for multiple millions of dollars. A huge blue
48:45
Speaker 2: fin tuna has set a record at a Tokyo fish market,
48:50
Speaker 2: selling for wait for it, four point seven million Australian dollars.
48:57
Speaker 2: This thing weighed two hundred and forty three kilograms and
49:03
Speaker 2: was sold to the owners of a very popular Japanese
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Speaker 2: sushi chain, Claire four point seven million for two hundred
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Speaker 2: kilos of fish.
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Speaker 4: Tunics of v A s Ashiwi. How much is that?
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Speaker 4: Charoney with it?
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Speaker 5: HOLLI with awful lot of so sort, with awful lot.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for joining us this evening.
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Speaker 1: That's all from us tonight.