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What If?... The Seahawks Don't Get Bit By K9 · Sea Hawkers Podcast: for Seattle Seahawks fans

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Clinton: Welcome in, welcome in.
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Welcome friends to the newest edition of Sea Hawkers What If, the most unique
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Seahawks preview show in the multiverse.
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I'm your host Clinton Bonner.
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I am joined by the one, the only, the great Brandan Schulze.
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And of course it would not be, it could not be, we could not traverse
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the Seahawks multiverse without the protector of our multiverse, that is Mr.
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Phil Lydick down screen there on YouTube for you.
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Boys, we are three and three, and yet, and yet, guys, I feel, I feel that this
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team's about to turn things around.
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I hope I'm right, Brandan.
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How are you feeling?
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I'm doing well.
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It, it does feel like, a good turnaround time, because going on
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the road on a short week against the Broncos, you have a very winnable game,
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and I feel like all the games that we've lost have been very winnable.
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Mm-hmm.
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And the…
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Yes, another undefeated team is coming to town, but I think we
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got something for them, Phil.
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Yeah, I didn't have a great feeling about the last game with how things
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had been going, and a short week.
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Even though we're the better team, had the better players, I just
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didn't feel like the odds of them getting it all corrected that quickly
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with the travel were super likely.
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So how it went, I wasn't terribly surprised.
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I was actually a little bit surprised how the defense played in the first half.
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I wasn't surprised that the offense hasn't got it under control yet.
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But I, I have a lot better, I have much more hope about
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this game with the extra time.
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Mike does fantastic with a little bit of extra time.
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Clinton: Yeah, it's gonna be a really…
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I, it's, I think it'll be close.
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This game is, Vegas has the Seahawks at minus two and a half.
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Yeah.
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And it's a home game, it's Sunday night football, and we
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know the Chiefs are undefeated.
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And of course, we're gonna talk some Kenneth Walker, but it's just a
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different types of Chiefs team, too.
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So I'm sure we'll get into all that, because listening to all these
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Chiefs, you know, folks, pundits talk all week long, it's funny.
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For the first time in a long time, they don't talk much about Mahomes,
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they don't talk much about Kelce.
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Yeah.
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They don't talk much about Chris- they don't talk much about Jones.
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But there's this whole slew of new Chiefs that they talk about a lot,
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and of course, Kenneth Walker kind of stealing the show right now.
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But I think that's, you know, that goes without saying, Brandan.
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Yeah.
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They have a…
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Look, we, we as fans, generally, we, we miss Kenneth Walker.
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And- Yes … part of it is how our run game has gone so far.
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And I think, you know, there, he was a special player when he was here.
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Mm-hmm.
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He was our Super Bowl MVP.
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He's now moved on, and, we ha- we have to watch our, one of
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our exes go up against us this week, which makes it a little extra spicy.
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Yeah.
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And that's what I did in the previous week.
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Yes, exactly.
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I watched a bunch of canine versus the Chargers.
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While our team is right at 500 at three and three, these two teams are not.
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They are at opposite ends of the spectrum.
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One is winless, one is lossless, and they went into the game that way,
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they came out of the game that way.
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The Chiefs defense just completely embarrassed, embarrassed the
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Charger offense throughout the game.
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We will start with the, just on my notes here, there wasn't a lot to
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put down so much on the Chiefs offense.
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It kind of went how you would've expected.
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By DVOA, they are sixth, their pass is 11th, their running
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game is the third by DVOA.
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The pass pro wasn't terribly remarkable against what we know to be
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a Chargers, unremarkable pass rush.
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It was okay, it was good enough.
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They don't, they're, they've lost most all their receivers, but I did notice Worthy,
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who's number one, and I'm not saying he's a true wide receiver one, he wears number
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one, seems to get open in zone plenty.
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Canine just looks absolutely awesome.
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That's probably the- What's gonna stand out to people watching?
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Mahomes did throw a really terrible pick in the end zone, but otherwise
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he looks very good right now.
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On the defensive side by DVOA, they are ranked 10th overall.
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Against the pass, they're ninth, against the rush, they are 21st.
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They were pretty impressive with their tackling and their pursuit.
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They bat down a lot of passes and we know Sam sometimes have s- trouble
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with that, so hope he comes in prepared.
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Hope Jake Peetz and all gets him prepped for that.
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I'd say they made the Chargers look bad, but that implies the
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Chargers could ever look good, so I'm not so sure from this game.
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Their punter is awesome.
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He's the best in the league right now.
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The stats are on the other side if you're watching on YouTube.
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Anything jump out to you in this matchup, Clinton?
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Clinton: When I listened to Chiefs fans this week about this game, there
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was lots of like, "Oh my gosh, I can't believe we only won by X, 16 points."
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Yeah.
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But they also, you know, Mahomes throws a pick in the end zone, and they had- Yeah
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… a turnover on downs at, like, the one.
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So-
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Yeah,
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Clinton: that's right … it just was never in, never in
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contest, and they did what they…
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They're, they killed a very, very bad Chargers team.
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So that's really it.
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There wasn't much there to glean from, like, oh, how could we pick apart the
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Chiefs based on what the Chargers did?
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No.
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No.
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The, do the oppo- just do other things than what the Chargers are doing,
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'cause that was never, ever there.
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So, less about what we could glean from it versus, like, this
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actually could've been a 40-burger.
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Yeah, you'd probably get a little bit more out of watching the Chiefs
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and Raiders a couple weeks back- Yeah.
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Sure … just because, you know, the Raiders were actually able to do
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something against the Chiefs defense, and the, yeah, the Chargers can't
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do anything as an offense in general.
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Clinton: Mm-hmm.
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That was it.
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Well, gentle- you ready for the theme, gentlemen?
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'Cause that's pretty much all there is to talk about the
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Clinton: Chiefs.
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We need, we need the theme.
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We need the theme, Mr.
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Phil.
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Bring it to us.
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We need the theme.
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A lot of fans almost tempted me to go away from this, but how can
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you avoid, how can you avoid…
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That little cute canine is coming- Mm … back up to Lumen Field.
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I hope you can watch it and check out the picture.
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Ernest Jones has a, has a cute little puppy.
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And so as we think about the wonderful, awesome canine and what
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he was for us, and he's playing okay this year for the Chiefs as well.
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Yeah.
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But he's coming back, but what if canine's bark
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doesn't bite us back in Lumen?
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Which means half the questions have to do with barking, half the
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questions have to do with biting.
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Let's see, this is the seventh game for the Hawks, which means Brandan
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gets to decide where we go first.
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Here are the categories, and who knows what's behind them, but we
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will find out during the show.
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Brandan can choose bark at the moon, all bark, barking mad, love bites,
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bite marks, and bites the dust.
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Brandan.
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Phil, if you put an Ozzy Osbourne tune in this list, I'm going there first.
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We're going bark at the moon.
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Bark at the moon is where we will go.
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So Brandan, we have a couple luminaries in this, speaking of the moon.
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What if it's JSN or canine?
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Which luminary will shine like the brightest celestial body this
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Sunday night, and why, Brandan?
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Oh, man, I gotta go, I gotta go with my guy JSN because well, I'll leave it…
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I'll, I'll, I'll leave the other part to Clinton, 'cause I…
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I'll, I'll say why, I don't think it'll be K9, but, maybe
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that's where Clinton will go.
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But JSN against this secondary, they have L'Jarius Sneed, they
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have Mansoor Delane, and, Delane is probably the, the rookie
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that they're most excited about.
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And I do wonder, though, JSN going up against a rookie, if
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that's where they decide to go.
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Now, they could decide, and look at last week against the Broncos.
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The Broncos, they, they definitely put extra attention toward JSN's way.
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I would expect the Chiefs to do that too.
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Spags does it all the time, right?
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Spags does it all the time.
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But they also like to blitz, and they like to play man.
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Hmm.
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And I, I have to think that when those times and, and those opportunities arise,
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if they're, if they're blitzing, if they're playing man, I, I think the guy
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that Sam's gonna be looking for is JSN.
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It's gonna be at home.
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And I, I think it will provide Sam extra opportunities to feed JSN, and,
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When, when those opportunities arise, we, we've seen him take
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advantage of it, and it might be another 15-catch day for Jackson Smith-Njigba.
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Clinton, we got the two far and away leaders for Offensive Player of the Year
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going up against one another at night.
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Ooh.
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Who will shine most brightly?
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Why won't the other one shine, Clinton?
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Clinton: Yeah.
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All right.
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Well, I love this, and the…
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There's some poetry here, right?
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The Dog Star, also known as Sirius in the, in the evening sky, right?
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The brightest star for, and a really important star in the history of humanity.
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Mm-hmm.
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Cool, cool stuff there.
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Just go Google, Google Sirius and go check out, like, why it matters.
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But it, but I don't think it'll be K9, and it can be.
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This is, I could be wrong.
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K9, look, we haven't given up a 100-yard rusher in a long, long time now.
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What, 30-some odd games, right?
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Something like that.
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35, I think.
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35, yeah.
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Or so.
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K9 could break that, and I would not be shocked, and nor will it
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make me incredibly sad if he runs for 111 yards if we win the game,
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because all these things can happen.
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The, the Chiefs are extremely overloaded on K9 right now, and that's fine.
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It's almost very similar to how last year we were so JSN-dependent, and we still
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are to a certain extent, but last year we were stacking Ws and right now we're not.
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Yeah.
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But they're really reliant on, on K9 and, and it's not like, if you watch
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their games, it's not like, "Oh my gosh, what amazing blocking," and K9 got to
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the second level without being touched.
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It's like, nope, it's K9 getting 25-plus touches a game, and he's doing special
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things over and over and over again, which he did with us down the stretch last year.
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We, we know he can do these things.
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All that being said- they are missing their two left, they're missing their
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left tackle for sure with Simmons.
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I think it's, I forget the dude's name who's backing him up.
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I think it's, let's see.
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I have it here.
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That's okay.
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Well, I'll pull it in a second.
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That, that doesn't matter too much.
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But they're missing their left-
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Julio Benson
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… Clinton: yeah, Benson.
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They're missing their left tackle, they're mi- and they're very
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likely missing their right tackle.
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So missing Simmons, and they're missing their right tackle.
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They have a guard kicking out to right tackle who filled in admirably
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last week, but the right tackle's concussed, has not practiced so far.
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We'll see if he can make his way back.
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Okay.
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The interior of that line's damn good.
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We know about Creed.
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Awesome.
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They're
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Clinton: amazing.
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Yeah.
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They really are.
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Like center, guard, guard-
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Yeah
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… Clinton: this is a good freaking, we have Creed Humphrey,
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where he's, he's really good.
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So we know about these things already.
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All that being said, guys, we can bottle up K9.
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The biggest thing about K9's game, as we know, is him getting explosives.
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We're very good at limiting explosives through the air, on
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the ground, et cetera, et cetera.
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So we just gotta do our job.
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We gotta do the thing that we do really, really well, and
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we can depress K9's numbers.
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Doesn't mean it doesn't go for 90 and a touchdown or two.
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On the other side of the, the coin, very quickly, I like the idea
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of, look, we move JSN around a lot.
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It's not like JSN just sits outside or just sits inside.
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He moves around a lot.
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I like their, corners.
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I like their cover corners.
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I think Sneed is okay as a nickel who's playing slot, so I would really
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love for, for Fleury and team to just scheme up as much one-on-one
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possibilities for JSN to take advantage of Sneed, and we spam JSN as we need
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to, as we start to ramp back up, which should be a better run, a run game, and
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hopefully including Anthony Bradford.
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So pausing there, Sneed, Sneed versus JSN, I like it.
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Our run D's just gotta do, do the, the work we know they can do.
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Yeah, when I was on the Chief's podcast earlier this week, they
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were, terrified of JSN lining up in the slot going up against Sneed.
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Clinton: Okay, good.
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Well, I like the sound of that.
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Me too.
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I'm fascinated, fascinated with our awesome interior D line
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versus their amazing interior O line, what that's gonna mean.
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Mm-hmm.
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'Cause K9 seems to be able to run there any time they choose to let him run there
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right now, so I think Leo and Byron will have some words about that in this game.
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Clinton, you get to go next.
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Five choices on the board.
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Where shall we go?
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We barking, are we biting?
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Clinton: Oh, we're gonna bite, and if you're gonna put a Queen song
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on screen, I'm gonna take the Queen song Another One Bites the Dust.
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Let's do it.
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Okay, the last couple seasons, Darnold actually had
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stat advantages over Mahomes.
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Not this year.
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That's kinda bit the dust so far.
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We'd like to see that come back around.
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I'm gonna have a little kind of game-ish moment here.
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I wrote down a bunch of categories.
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We're not saying Sam has to be better than Pat overall in this
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game, but we're looking for deltas that will be okay with us.
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And so I'll mention a few of, I'll, I'll go through a few of these, Clinton, and
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you kinda tell me how close Sam needs to be to Pat on these particular stats.
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Kinda quick answer them.
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If you need to stop and explain, that's okay.
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Mm.
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But mostly I've got seven, so, keep that in mind on quick answers.
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Clinton: Cool.
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Pressures, how close does Sam need to be on pressures
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that he receives versus Pat?
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Clinton: Oh, God, gotta be pr- gotta be, gotta be closer.
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Okay.
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Clinton: Gotta be closer.
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I mean, last, last week was a disaster versus Denver.
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Yeah, so pretty close.
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How about sacks?
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Do we need a delta there?
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Clinton: Within two.
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Within two.
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Turnovers?
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Clinton: Within one.
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Third down average distance?
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Clinton: Yeah, we've been, we've been kind of not great here, and the Chiefs
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are really good at first and second down.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Really, really good.
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Like, they are making it very easy to convert on third downs, and they are.
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Oh man, we, we need to get better there.
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Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba.
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Like, we have to be within, within a yard, I'd say- Yeah, I
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agree … to, to keep it about there.
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By, by the way, that's like within a yard, I expect the Chiefs to still
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be better at it because they've been- Yeah … they've shown us they're really
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good on first and second down this year.
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If their average is five, we'd like it to be six, right?
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Clinton: Yeah.
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I could, I could s- I could live with that, and I think Sam could too.
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Brent, oh, no, keep going.
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I mean, completions, how many, more incompletions, are
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we fine with Sam having than Pat?
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Clinton: Zero.
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I want that to be in our favor.
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Okay.
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Yards per attempt?
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Clinton: Oh, I think that's, you know, under a half yard also.
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Like-
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Okay
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Clinton: the Chief's average depth and target stuff, it's not, they're not
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stretching the field that much either, and our wide receiver corps is better.
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So in fact, I'd like us to be a half yard or a yard over Mahomes.
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And then rating, passer rating.
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The last two years Sam had a eight-point better, passer rating than Mahomes.
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That's not even close this year.
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How close do they need to be in this matchup, Clinton?
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Clinton: Yeah.
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I, I'll go with just fairly close, and it's amazing what a great
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running team running back can do- Yeah … to alleviate, 'cause Mahomes
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was going, like, down year, the last three- That's right … years.
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It was like 90s, 90s, like 80s, and Sam with the Vikings and last
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year with us, pretty steady eddy.
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Yeah.
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Let's just recalibrate that, and hopefully our run game, alleviates
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some of the, the freaking pressure that's been on Sam, and the bad mistakes.
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So very, very close.
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How about that?
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Seems like one of the biggest differences K9 has made is how
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he's affected his quarterback's passer rating- Yeah … just
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by how defenses approach them.
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Okay, Brandan, same questions.
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Pressures, what should, what do you hope for a delta there?
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Pressures, no delta.
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No delta.
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Sacks.
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Sacks.
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Sacks, we can be within two.
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Yeah.
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So the, and the way I'll kind of frame this, we can win if the
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delta isn't more than this, so two.
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Yeah.
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Okay, turn- turnovers.
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Turnovers, we have to be plus.
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Oh.
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Ooh.
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So we can't even be even.
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You think we have to win the turnover margin?
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We do.
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Oh, wow, okay.
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Third down average distance.
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Third down, what, less than
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I, third down average distance.
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Oh, the, the delta between the two?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, we have to be, within a yard, under.
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Okay.
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Same as, same as Clinton.
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Incompletions.
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Clinton said we need to win this one.
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I don't care.
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Clinton: The Tommy Lee Jones, I love it.
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I
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think I know why Clinton cares, 'cause he kind of wants
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our attempts to be down and the, just the bad throws to be down.
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But I, I could see the point of saying, "If we're throwing it away
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and not taking sack and getting picks, then I'll take those incompletions.
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I'll buy 1,000 of them."
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's true.
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That's, that's why-
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Yards per attempt.
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Yards per attempt, we need to be at least two yards per attempt better
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Better?
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Yep.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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And rating.
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How about passer rating between the two?
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We need to be 15 points better on passer rating-
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Than, than Pat?
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He needs
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Clinton: a Big Sam game.
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He needs a clean Sam game
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is what I'm hearing.
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Well, because interceptions go into passer rating.
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Yeah.
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And if, you know, Mahomes plays clean, that means that, Sam needs to
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play as clean or better, and I, I think I got into that with the turnover numbers.
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And he's done that.
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So Brandan, I, I wanna ask about this a little bit, 'cause I was kind of thinking
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that we could win if Mahomes outplays Sam a little bit overall on stats.
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But Brandan's thinking by stats, and obviously that factors in how
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the defense handles the two of them.
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You're saying in the end Sam's stats kind of need to look
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better than Pat's for us to win?
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I think so, because I think that one, if, if Pat's, passing stats are looking
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good, it, it tells me that, that we're doing a lot of focusing on canine- Mm-hmm
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and that, that's going to make Pat go toward the air more, and, and
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that's where we need to be better.
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And now you scared me a little bit, 'cause I just thought of something.
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We kind of do need Sam's stats to turn out maybe better than Pat's, 'cause
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it's very likely their run game is gonna look better or more difference-making
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than ours in this matchup.
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So I, I was kind of hoping, "Oh yeah, we can get away with Sam being a little
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lesser than Pat overall," but maybe not.
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Yeah.
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Maybe not.
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Clinton, do you wanna rethink any of your answers after Brandan just terrified me?
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Clinton: No, I, I'm, I'm good with my answers.
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I think, Brandan's making sense, which is, you know, no
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shock to anybody listening.
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He makes sense all the time.
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It's, it's just that, like, Pat's…
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Like, if Pat is outperforming Sam with, with numbers and it's like,
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okay, it's Xavier Worthy, and it's, you know, Cyrus Allen, and, and f-
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it's not, you know, Jalen Royals.
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All right, well then, and then Travis Kelce, the, the ghost of
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Trav- the ghost of Travis Kelce.
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If Pat's, like, having, like, a vintage Pat game, I think we're, I think
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we're SOL, boys, because the rest of their game's gonna be there anyway.
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So I understand what he's saying there.
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But I still think with our defense we can kind of be like right around what they're
19:06
doing and get out of, you know, get out of Dodge with a, and looming with a victory.
19:10
Yeah, and then as we've had in other games, we don't really have a huge
19:14
special teams advantage here either.
19:16
So maybe- Mm-hmm … Brandan is right.
19:17
This is gonna be tough.
19:18
This is gonna be tough.
19:19
We need Sam to have a clean- No, we have a little
19:20
bit of a special teams advantage.
19:22
We have a little bit?
19:22
Yeah, maybe a little bit.
19:23
I think their- I think their return, their kick return game isn't, is not great.
19:28
Okay.
19:28
But
19:28
ours hasn't been all that great either, so.
19:31
Yeah, it's, it's, it's a mixed bag there.
19:33
So I, I see your point, Brandan.
19:35
I'm a little more scared after that, but it's making a lot of sense.
19:39
Well, Brandan gets to go next.
19:41
We have four choices: Bark at the Moon, All Bark, Love Bites and Bite Marks.
19:46
Well, I took bark at the moon first and I wasn't sure if I was just seeing it
19:49
wrong as, as crossing out barking mad, so-
19:51
Oh, you're
19:52
right … I'll, I'll take barking mad- There you go … since,
19:54
i- if that's still available.
19:56
That's sufficient.
19:57
Thank you for fixing that for me.
19:58
I don't even know what I was doing there.
20:00
But, if you watch YouTube, you get to see all the mistakes Phil makes, so.
20:04
We are now officially going to barking mad even though I crossed it off early
20:08
'cause, something's wrong with me.
20:11
Brandan, what if the guys in the trenches take this losing streak personally?
20:18
Where do you see advantages for us along either side of, the trench game here?
20:24
Ooh, if, I…
20:26
Man, I would love for our guys, especially on the offensive line, to
20:31
take these last couple weeks personally because they're going up against guys
20:36
like George Karlaftis and Chris Jones.
20:39
Mm-hmm.
20:39
And I, I, I worry especially about guys like Abe Lucas.
20:45
If Anthony Bradford's back this week and you're saying go up against Chris Jones,
20:50
all, all pro Chris Jones in your first…
20:53
And, and here we are going like, "Oh man, I can't wait till we get
20:56
Anthony Bradford back," and then this is the matchup that he gets.
20:59
And, that's, that's a very difficult matchup to pull, but it's also a difficult
21:03
matchup to pull for your backups.
21:05
So- Yeah … that's, that's going to be, h- i- if they can come into this
21:10
week, take it personally, and, y- make it so guys like Karlaftis and Jones are,
21:18
are not getting to Sam Darnold and they're keeping him well protected- Man, I, I, I
21:24
hope, I hope they take it personally, Phil
21:26
Hmm.
21:26
Jones kind of disappears.
21:28
We talked about Clinton having an intermittent mic a little bit.
21:30
Jones kind of has- Mm … an intermittent game.
21:32
Like, he's kind of picking his moments.
21:34
Maybe 'cause he's old now, so he's gotta just save the engine, here and there.
21:38
Sure.
21:39
But, that's a good call-out.
21:40
I would love it to see our O line, you know, push their will against
21:46
this, Chiefs up and down defensive, up and down defensive line.
21:51
Clinton, how about you?
21:53
Do you see any advantages for us in the trenches in this
21:55
game, and where might they be?
21:57
Clinton: Yeah.
21:57
Well, I- yes, I, I, there should be.
22:00
There needs to be.
22:02
This is, where Brandan's like, "Hey, we need Sam to kind of at least
22:05
go even Steven with Pat to win."
22:07
I'm gonna give one in a second too, and I just wanna call out, like, as
22:10
well, like, you know, I think Carle- Karlaftis is a- he's turned into a,
22:14
just a good defensive edge, just at end.
22:17
But the dude behind him too, the rookie R.
22:19
Mason Thomas, he's got- Oh,
22:20
yeah.
22:20
Clinton: Yeah … he's got speed off the edge.
22:22
So, they got a pretty good rookie class, guys.
22:25
They got dudes out there that are making contributions left and
22:27
right, up and down the field, so just, just watch out for, for him.
22:31
Like, he's- And
22:31
we do not, so yeah.
22:33
Clinton: Yeah, right.
22:33
Thanks for
22:33
reminding me.
22:34
Clinton: He's, I always like to tell people w- the number, 'cause you
22:36
might not know him- Yeah … just yet.
22:37
He's number 51 out there, and the ch- the challenges we've had, especially
22:42
on the right, the right end, and the right side of our line this year,
22:45
just him and Karlaftis and, and R- R.
22:47
Mason Thomas, like, hey We, I hope Fleury is like, "We need to do more,
22:53
just more protection, more chipping, and give Sam a little bit more time,"
22:58
because it cannot be a repeat of that Broncos game, 'cause we'll get a
23:01
similar result, maybe a worse result.
23:03
So you can't have it after a mini bye.
23:05
Other side of the coin, look, our edges are, are…
23:09
People, Seahawks fans pound the table all the time, "We need the Maxx
23:11
Crosby and we need the Myles Garrett.
23:13
You need the 17 sack guy."
23:15
And I'm usually like, "Well, look, our defense is really good without that."
23:19
You know, we could have compilers out there.
23:21
We could have just dudes who play really good edge, and they do, right?
23:25
And we got D Law, and we got Hall, and we got Chenna, et cetera, et cetera.
23:30
I'm not gonna really mention Fowler right now, who's not,
23:32
not giving all that much.
23:34
We need the edges to win.
23:36
They have, they have their third- and fourth-string-
23:39
Yeah
23:39
… Clinton: tackles in this game most likely.
23:41
Very, very mo- most likely.
23:43
So our studs or our good players on the edge, let's say those good
23:48
players, D Law, Hall, they need to become great players in this game.
23:52
They have
23:52
to.
23:53
Clinton: Have to.
23:53
They
23:53
have to.
23:54
Clinton: So, like, that is where there, there's a, an advantage on paper.
23:58
And, and all year long I've watched guys like Que Robinson beat our edge
24:04
guys, beat our tackles, and we need Derick Hall and D Law and Chenna
24:09
to go beat dudes that are backups.
24:11
Have to, otherwise again, it's gonna be a long day.
24:14
Their interior line, our interior line is so good with, you know,
24:17
Leo and, and Reed, and Byron.
24:19
So, so good.
24:21
They can go, I think, blow for blow with us up the middle, so
24:24
we've gotta win on the edge, guys.
24:26
How about some twists, you know?
24:28
Clinton: Yeah.
24:28
Leo swapping in with, with Chenna, or y- just, just-
24:32
Clinton: Well, yeah, we'll, we'll do all those things.
24:34
We, you, we'll see, we'll see all the things where Leo's out the five,
24:36
maybe even the seven technique.
24:38
We'll see the stuff where they do the overloads, right?
24:40
Yep.
24:40
I love those.
24:40
So we will see that from Mike for sure.
24:43
It's just gonna be…
24:44
It's, it's kinda cool from a, 'cause the average NFL fan like
24:48
myself, I'll put that squarely in that category, you could see it.
24:51
You go out like, "Oh cool, they're overloaded over here,"
24:53
and you can kinda watch for it.
24:54
So it's like you could just notice it in real time, be like,
24:57
"Well, how'd we do on that snap?
24:58
Did it work?
24:58
Did we win?
24:59
Was the stunt successful?
25:00
What did we try there?"
25:02
So I expect Mike to kind of, you know, it's not like pull out
25:05
the tricks, but, but play the hits.
25:08
I don't see a formula where we win if our edges don't
25:11
beat their- backup tackles.
25:14
That'd just be absolutely frustrating and embarrassing.
25:17
Yeah.
25:17
Clinton: I mean, un- unless our defensive tackles win- Against the
25:20
edge guys … where they have strength.
25:21
Yeah.
25:22
Where, yeah, where they have strength.
25:22
That's, that's a very possible outcome.
25:24
Yeah.
25:24
But I really would like our edge group to just be like, "You know what?
25:27
This week we got you for a change."
25:30
I do think how canines had so much success running up the middle this
25:33
year, I think that stops this week.
25:35
I- no matter how good those guys are in the middle, I really don't think
25:39
Byron and Leo and those, and I, I just don't think those guys are gonna lose
25:44
in the run game to this, to this group.
25:46
Yeah.
25:46
Do you agree with that, Brandan?
25:48
I, I want to believe that.
25:50
Okay.
25:52
Clinton: I love it.
25:53
It'd
25:53
be like Ernest the Fox mobile.
25:54
I think Ernest is gonna have them set up, they're gonna dominate, and he's
25:56
just gonna pick up that little puppy canine and say, "Nice try, buddy.
26:00
It's, this is, this is Lumen.
26:02
You don't get to do that here."
26:03
That's what I'm really-
26:03
I, I feel like we've had some instances though where teams have been able
26:07
to run it up the middle, but I, I, probably not against, you know, our,
26:11
our starters, but, you know- Oh … like when Riley Mills is out there-
26:14
Sure … I know he's been susceptible.
26:16
Mm-hmm.
26:16
Yeah, I- I think that if they start having success, they're gonna figure
26:23
out how to shut it down real quick.
26:24
Yeah, I hope so.
26:26
Clinton, you got three choices.
26:27
They're actually right.
26:27
My little green lines are correct now- Yes … I think.
26:31
All bark, little bites, bite marks.
26:33
We haven't done these.
26:34
Clinton: Yeah, well, in honor of Puka Nacua, let's go bite marks.
26:39
I should have, I should have put Puka on there for this one.
26:42
Bite marks, we'll cross it off now so I get it right.
26:44
Here we go.
26:46
What if you each give us three Chiefs who might be able to
26:50
nibble on us if we aren't careful?
26:53
Now, this does not include K9 or Mahomes.
26:56
I didn't know how the categories would go- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm … but I knew we
26:58
were going to be talking about them.
27:00
Those are mega stars.
27:01
We're talking about other guys, three guys that you're a little concerned
27:05
about in this matchup, Clinton.
27:06
Clinton: Okay, I'll try and be quick here.
27:08
I mentioned his name earlier.
27:10
Chiefs fans are pounding the table for more of this guy, and that's
27:13
wide receiver Cyrus Allen, number 13.
27:16
Okay.
27:16
Clinton: A good-looking wide receiver, had a great pre-season and then
27:20
just hasn't done too, too much yet.
27:22
However, he's the kind of dude that, like, when he gets his opportu- kind of
27:25
like our Tory Horton right now, guys.
27:27
It's like, oh, when he gets an opportunity and there's a, a
27:29
modicum of time, they're hooking up.
27:32
So Cyrus Allen, to me, can really help what is a depleted
27:37
wide receiver corps so far.
27:38
I'm gonna flip it over.
27:40
So as a backup running back, I'm actually gonna stay on the offensive side, I
27:44
think Emmett Johnson's a heck of a back.
27:45
I liked him coming out of Nebraska.
27:47
Mm.
27:48
And while K9 is getting the vast majority and Emmett Johnson might
27:53
only get five to seven carries, he, he kind of makes good on them.
27:58
So it's just a matter of we're gonna have to get some negative
28:01
plays in this game, or like-
28:02
Can we grab him and put a throwback blue jersey on him
28:05
on his way into the stadium?
28:06
Clinton: We, we can try.
28:07
Okay.
28:08
We can try our, we can try our best.
28:09
That, that's one more there.
28:11
And let's see on the other side.
28:13
I mean, it's kind of hard to say Mansoor Delane is, is, is
28:16
under the radar at this point.
28:18
Yeah.
28:18
However, lots of folks may not know him or his game just yet as, as a
28:22
rookie out there, first rounder.
28:24
He's, he's really quite good, too.
28:26
Can he do the thing where he's shutting down half, half the
28:28
side, his side of the field?
28:31
And what does that do to us?
28:32
Like, what do we have to do to counter that if they're successfully, you
28:36
know, modifying JSN a little bit?
28:39
Where else can we get some freaking production, consistent production?
28:43
So there's three dudes.
28:44
There's some on the, on the table here.
28:46
In fact, I see one I should've talked about, but I think Brandan's
28:48
got us, so I'll stop there.
28:49
Go ahead, Brandan.
28:50
Give us your three guys.
28:52
All right.
28:52
I'll start on the defense because if I didn't talk about Nick
28:56
Bolton, this is the- There you go.
28:57
There he is … this is a guy that I've, I've always liked Nick Bolton,
29:01
and he was up for free agency a couple years back or maybe last year.
29:05
Anyway, he, he is the guy over in the middle.
29:08
He, he's kind of like…
29:09
Okay, imagine if Fred Warner weren't dirty.
29:13
Yeah.
29:14
That's
29:15
hard to do.
29:15
And he, 'cause he's, he's like- It is
29:16
he, he plays about as well as Fred, but, you know, without,
29:18
like, the helmet-to-helmet, going in and, and knocking dudes,
29:22
Silly type, Stepping
29:23
on people, stuff like that.
29:24
Yeah.
29:25
Clinton: Yeah.
29:25
Yeah.
29:25
Being a dirt
29:25
Clinton: bag.
29:25
That's what- You know, general dirt bag.
29:27
Yeah.
29:27
Right, yeah.
29:28
And, and so normally I feel like we're talking about AJ Barner, like,
29:33
oh, why don't we get AJ Barner involved?
29:34
Man, if you're…
29:35
I feel like if, Nick Bolton is roving the middle and that's
29:39
where you're looking to dump off to AJ Barner, it's gonna be…
29:43
He's gonna be right there.
29:44
He's good in the pass game.
29:45
Bolton's good on the pass game, you
29:47
think?
29:47
I, I, I like Bolton in the pass game too.
29:49
Yeah.
29:49
I, he's just well-rounded.
29:51
Clinton: He's a good…
29:51
Yeah, he's good in the game game.
29:52
Dude's a good player.
29:53
Yeah.
29:54
On the offensive side, we haven't talked about Travis Kelce, and,
29:59
against this defense I The way that I, I think we're gonna be able to
30:04
take away a lot of the receivers, which generally the way that we play
30:09
defense, it will, will leave some of the underneath stuff open, and that's
30:13
where I would expect to see Travis Kelce.
30:15
So if, we, we've taken away a lot of their receivers and we're getting pretty
30:21
good pressure against the offensive line, especially over the edges, and Mahomes
30:26
is stepping up, I, I think that Kelce's gonna be the guy that he ends up spamming.
30:30
And so if, if Kelce ends this game with eight or nine
30:33
catches, that wouldn't shock me.
30:35
Clinton: Hmm.
30:36
And player number three, I, I guess I'll go…
30:41
You, you mentioned him a little bit, Xavier Worthy.
30:43
Clinton: Mm-hmm.
30:44
He has found some success as kind of being that guy that, you know, quick stuff
30:50
over the middle, yards after the catch.
30:52
Worthy is fast and if, if we aren't careful, I, I think he has
30:59
the ability to get into open space and, and get some extra yards.
31:02
So if the Chiefs end up having a good day, it could because that Mahomes to
31:07
Worthy connection, he's finding him in space where he's got some room to run.
31:11
Good call-outs.
31:12
Yeah, he finds those pockets and zones well, or it seems Mahomes
31:15
sees when he's gonna enter them.
31:16
They're, they're playing pretty well together- Yeah
31:18
in spite of maybe his not being that famous.
31:22
We have two choices left then, Brandan, all bark or love bites.
31:26
Hmm.
31:27
Let's go all bark.
31:28
Clinton: Hmm.
31:29
Gotta avoid that Def Leppard all you can.
31:31
For as long as you can.
31:32
Brandan, what if Coach Mike can prove it's not just talk?
31:36
He's been talking a lot the last week or so.
31:38
How do you believe the offense will look this week if Coach gets what he wants
31:43
from them against this very good defense?
31:46
Well, Zach Charbonnet looks like he's on his way back.
31:50
Mm-hmm.
31:50
And I think that having just a competent run game would,
31:55
would be, very helpful.
31:57
In fact, Nate Schutz, when I was on the, the Chiefs podcast, he
32:00
put into the chat the, one of the underrated parts about, and
32:05
maybe, maybe it's properly rated.
32:07
I, I think it's underrated, it goes under the radar, that, with
32:11
Charbonnet coming back, his effectiveness as, in the passing game on third
32:16
down could be a huge help to- Hmm … Sam Darnold, against the Chiefs.
32:20
So if they're going third down, if we're in third and six plus, and you gotta
32:25
keep a back in there to help protect Sam against the Steve Spagnuolo blitzes,
32:32
C- the, having Charbonnet back in the lineup and in those, in
32:37
for just those moments would be huge.
32:40
And so I think having that could go a long way to help us
32:43
move the ball on third down.
32:44
We've been just ridiculously bad on third down and, and, and we're gonna need to
32:50
improve those numbers against the Chiefs.
32:52
How about you, Clinton?
32:54
Clinton: Yeah, great question.
32:55
So, and I love the answer too, and that's such a cool wrinkle because- Yeah
32:58
even if we, even if we only get…
33:01
I expect Charbonnet to come back and be pretty good, because I'm an optimist and,
33:05
you know, it's just, it, I, yeah, no, he looks like he's fully rehabbed now.
33:08
We'll see.
33:09
But is he
33:09
gonna have, like, he's, I don't know if he's gonna have 20 carries.
33:12
No, I-
33:12
Clinton: I, I don't even know if he's gonna have
33:13
12
33:14
Clinton: I, I don't expect, yeah, I don't expect that, but I do expect
33:17
him to get the start and try to give the crowd and the team some juice.
33:21
Like, he's the dude out, just like Jadarian Price in game one versus the Patriots.
33:26
He was the guy out there.
33:26
There's a reason for that.
33:27
I think we'll see Charbs out there for the first few touches, would not shock me.
33:32
But I love that point that you said Nate brought up, so great job by Nate,
33:35
but good, good job by you to recall it.
33:37
Because, like, even if Charbonnet can do his best Travis Homer in this game.
33:42
Like, if he's not quite got the juice just back yet, but he does the thing on third
33:46
down, it does dramatically change what I think, A, Mike wants this offense to be,
33:51
and what Fleury's probably able to do.
33:53
It's…
33:54
You know, I know there's some calls for Fleury's head already, and
33:57
there's plenty of calls to swap Drew for, for Sam and all that.
34:02
And dude, if you get hit within two and a half seconds in the NFL at the highest
34:06
rate you've ever been hit in a nine-year career, when previous seasons you played
34:10
with the Jets and the Panthers when they were lowest of the low, and the
34:14
2026 Seahawks make you h- own that stat-
34:17
Yeah, it's
34:18
Clinton: bad
34:18
well, that's, that's as bad as it gets.
34:20
So whatever they need to do from the, the chipping and the extra men.
34:26
So okay, there's l- if there's less men in the f- in, you know, going
34:30
out for routes, I don't know, guys.
34:32
I, to me, it's like you've got to make the trade-off.
34:35
You have to.
34:36
Because like you said, Brandan, Spags is gonna bring the heat selectively and
34:40
often, and it's gonna be exotic at times.
34:43
You've gotta have extra dudes back there.
34:45
We're not winning when we're one-on-one.
34:47
We're just, the stats clearly show this big regression when
34:51
they let dudes stay on islands.
34:53
You've got to not allow that to be the thing that dictates the game.
34:56
And then you know what?
34:58
Put the chips down on JSN getting open.
35:00
Put the chips down on Cooper Kupp being able to do a drag
35:04
route and find some space.
35:05
Put the chips there versus, oh, you know, we'll just let Abe
35:11
be on a, be on an island again.
35:12
Like, I can't have that, guys.
35:14
So Phil, I think that's what Mike will be like, "Hey, y- if I'm playing DC
35:19
against you, Fleury, you cannot allow me to do what the Bron- the Broncos did."
35:23
It might be, it might look more conservative.
35:25
I think that, I think you have to be kind of in that way.
35:28
So that's, that's where I'm at.
35:30
We gotta run them out of shell.
35:31
I'm just sick and tired of teams just playing shell the whole game.
35:34
And if we can't, I'm hoping that, Travis has his timing back right away.
35:38
And as far as the pass pro, can we be sure that Travis always knew to have
35:43
his noise-canceling earbuds in every time Hammock tried to teach pass pro?
35:47
Because all the other running backs have completely dropped off from
35:50
their former abilities this season.
35:53
Clinton: Well, f- Brandan, did you, did you pick that up,
35:55
that Freudian slip there by Phil?
35:56
You,
35:57
Travis?
35:58
Clinton: Yeah, I think he- Oh … so he's calling it in.
35:59
Yeah,
36:00
I, I was thinking Tra- yeah.
36:01
I was, yeah, I don't know how
36:02
Clinton: I did that.
36:02
So I, I, I poisoned the well.
36:03
This is my bad, guys.
36:04
I, I, I took S- So- … Zach Charbonnet, I took him down
36:07
to the Travis Homer- To,
36:07
to Travis Homer level?
36:08
Yeah.
36:09
Yeah.
36:09
No, it's, I meant Zach.
36:10
Yeah.
36:10
I apologize for that.
36:11
No, I, I knew that.
36:12
Zach.
36:12
I'm sorry.
36:13
Yeah.
36:13
Did Zach know to keep his headphones in when Hammock was teaching pass pro?
36:17
Because I hope he comes back pass pro-ing the way he used to.
36:20
That would be a huge plus compared to everybody else dropping a level.
36:24
Does any running back on our team know how to pass pro now?
36:26
Clinton: Yes.
36:27
Zach Charbonnet
36:27
… I'm hoping Zach does.
36:28
Yes.
36:29
But he also needs to be able to run successfully with these light
36:32
boxes, because- For sure … other than Price, we haven't had that
36:36
Clinton: You know.
36:37
Very good.
36:37
Yeah, thanks.
36:38
I l- I don't know how I did Travis Homer.
36:40
Was that- Well, that- 'Cause I was listening to your show
36:41
Clinton,
36:42
Clinton: Clinton slipped it in.
36:42
Yeah, because I, I said, "All we need is third down Travis Homer f- just for pass
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protection," so I- … I put it in the, put it in the old mentals there, Phil.
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Yeah, he was good at it, no doubt about it.
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Okay, so that was
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Clinton: all hard.
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He was, he was good enough at it.
36:53
Yeah, he was, he was fine at it, so not bad.
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Yeah.
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Clinton: All right, so that leaves me with the Def Leppard.
36:58
Yeah, and you're not gonna sing it for us, Clinton?
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Clinton: No.
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Okay.
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Clinton: If that's okay.
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And I
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Clinton: do like-
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I was looking for
37:04
Clinton: a good- I do like some Def Leppard, but that's
37:05
not my favorite of theirs.
37:07
Clinton, since our DBs, and, and I like this question, you guys might
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not, but I'm thinking- I like the
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graphic of the, the dog behind the drums.
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Clinton: That
37:17
was actually- Wait,
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Clinton: I can't see.
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I- I didn't make that up.
37:19
That's online.
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That's from an old commercial.
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Clinton: Hold on a second.
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I can't see it 'cause my peepers are not on.
37:23
Please tell me that dog only has one arm.
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Please tell me.
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Does that dog have one
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arm?
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It, it does look like it only has one arm, I think.
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Clinton: Oh, that's the best thing ever.
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That's
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great.
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Clinton: That's great.
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It, it's from a commercial.
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Yeah, it's from a commercial where they did all these different glam
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bands, and the dogs would do it.
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Clinton: That's
37:38
so funny.
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I thought it was funny.
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Clinton: I love it.
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Okay, this is Clinton's question.
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I like this question.
37:42
I'm thinking along these lines.
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I'm hoping I'm not crazy.
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Help me out here, guys.
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Since our DBs have a clear advantage over the Chiefs' pedestrian-at-best
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wide receivers, how might Mike deploy them to solve other challenges very,
37:56
versus Reid's Chiefs here, Clinton?
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Clinton: Well, I think this is y- this is what Mike does, so I, I, I'm
38:02
not gonna get exotic with my answer.
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Mike plays, nickel and sometimes dime, and he plays Emmanwori
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basically as Sam linebacker.
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That's-
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Yeah
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… Clinton: it's a 4-3.
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So I wanted to go, 'cause I think most Seahawks fans, Chiefs fans
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that might be listening and might be like, "Well, what do you mean?
38:18
He's a safety."
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Eh, not really.
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He's kind of safety in draft name only.
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We actually end up in 4-3, kind of a base defense more often than not, and
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at 225, Emmanwori is fast, clearly fast enough, but he's kind of man
38:32
enough to play Sam linebacker versus the Chiefs and versus Canine, who
38:37
likes, still likes to, yes, he'll go up the middle when it's well blocked.
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He'd still prefer to bounce it when it's not well blocked because he
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can get the edge as good as Jahmyr Gibbs, which is to say elite.
38:49
And you know, short area quickness is off the charts with Canine.
38:53
All that being said, I think that's what Mike challenges the
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Chiefs to go beat, you know.
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And from a dictation standpoint, it's like, "Nope, we're
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gonna come out in nickel.
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We're gonna come out with Emmanwori and Spoon in the box," even a lot of Julian
39:05
Love down the box m- when it calls for it, "And we are gonna challenge you
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to, to still beat us either up the middle or to the edge with Canine, and
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we're gonna rally, we're gonna tackle, and we're not gonna allow explosives."
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That's the formula.
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It's not even, it's not anything more complicated than that.
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So I'll just pause there and be like, "That is what Mike is gonna try."
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If the Chiefs can crack that- I don't know what the counterpunch is.
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I really do not.
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How about you, Brandan?
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Anything further on this?
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Yeah.
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With that advantage, I, I think that this could be another Nicky
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Emmanwori game where we see him…
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We, we saw a couple times in the game against the Broncos where
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he was acting as spy on Bo Nix.
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And-
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, for sure
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… Bo is not…
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I, I don't know if I worry about Nix necessarily Running the ball against us.
39:57
And even with Mahomes coming off his knee injury, he's had games where
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he's used his legs and, and found…
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Like, what was it?
40:08
Against the, the Chargers, he had fi- had five rushes for 16 yards.
40:13
Like, I, I wouldn't expect Mahomes to run it five times- No … or need
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to against the Chargers, but he did.
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He ran seven times for 23 yards against Denver.
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So he's not…
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The knee isn't impacting his ability to go, and I think that, with the
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DBs having that advantage, it could leave us to use Nicky and Mori in that
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way of, hey, you know, on a couple of these passing downs, just, just watch
40:38
Pat, and if he gets outside, I- we're gonna have the advantage w- against
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those, y- those young tackles on either side of the line- Yeah
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To where, even Mori can, you know, push those guys back
40:51
and, and make a ta- tackle on Pat.
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Hmm.
40:53
Yeah, and Pat is getting first downs.
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That's what he does
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Clinton: when he does run.
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He always does.
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He always does.
40:57
I- Like, he's scrambling- Yeah … less for sure, but after the kneecap
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injury, what- whatever that was, years ago, and last year blowing out
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a, blowing out something else, right?
41:06
One of the Ls, CLs.
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But he's still effective when he does take off.
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Yeah, so I feel, sounds like I might have cut you off, man.
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Please.
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No, that's okay.
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I would like a little extra emphasis on K9 maybe too.
41:16
You got, you got Love, you got Spoon, you got Eman on either side there,
41:21
which it kind of like your first priority is we're gonna put a little extra effort
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to make sure K9 doesn't get going.
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I don't know if that's Mike's style, but I wouldn't mind those three kind
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of working it out- Yeah … to keep him a little shadowed until the play
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has declared itself a little bit.
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Clinton: I mean, shadow him- I guess that's
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kind of
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Clinton: it, yeah
41:37
… in the screen game too.
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Clinton: Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Screens where we're- They're very good … we're, we're not defending well.
41:42
They are very good at them, so we'll, we'll see.
41:45
But I think when you say, you know, Mike might sprinkle some more on to, to
41:48
protect against K9, that's where I, that's where I'm saying I don't think he will.
41:52
I think he's gonna go play the way he wants to go play.
41:56
Now maybe, maybe a bit more because they don't have the dynamic wide
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receiver for- That's what I meant by the
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question, yeah
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Clinton: Yeah, for sure.
42:04
The other area, too, guys, which we didn't talk about just yet is for all
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their goodness, 'cause they're DVOA darlings on both sides of the ball,
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the Chiefs are this year, they're not specifically good in like third
42:15
and short and fourth and short.
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They haven't been, just have not been good there.
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So just another area where it's like can we keep them not good there?
42:23
When we get where we've been pretty good getting a team to third
42:25
and one, third and two, and then getting a TFL and forcing a punt.
42:29
We've done that a number of times where most teams are probably
42:32
like, "Oh, God, move the chains.
42:33
We're not stopping them."
42:34
We don't have that problem, right?
42:37
That's when Murphy comes to life, et cetera, et cetera.
42:38
Mm-hmm.
42:39
Just one of those indicators.
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Can we watch?
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Are we…
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Oh, man, they had a good first down.
42:42
They- Got a second down run for three, it's third and one.
42:46
Can we get off the field a few times in those scenarios?
42:49
'Cause that will really…
42:51
It will almost feel like a, a turnover on downs if we
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could steal one or two of those.
42:56
I do think it's unlikely we overload on K9, 'cause that's not Mike's way,
42:59
but if we start out not having some success against him, I'd like for Mike
43:03
to at least have something in his pocket to kinda counter if K9 is succeeding
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where other backs have not against us.
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Clinton: Yeah.
43:11
Fair.
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All right, we're gonna get to your wishes, your What If Super Hawks.
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I think I, I did put down what y'all had for last week,
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and then it got away from me.
43:21
Was Emman two TFLs is what Brandan was hoping for.
43:24
We did have the awesome sack, but that was his only TFL.
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Sam did not get his 70% completion, Clinton.
43:30
No.
43:30
So we'll get to yours in a moment, but first, we had far fewer wishes
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this week in our wishing well, so we need people to get into Discord
43:38
and add some What If Super Hawks.
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Maybe they're just, just, rather than wish, we're just gonna go for what
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we can- We're just hoping We're just hoping for what we can get this week.
43:46
Bunny did come through with two wishes.
43:49
Our season-long undefeated streak begins and ends with the Chiefs.
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This will be the first win of our new streak.
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The last win is Lombardi number three.
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I like this, Bunny.
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I see where you're going.
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12 Man Records wishes that Charbs has a better rushing night than Canine.
44:08
I will take it, even if it just means more touchdowns, I'll take it.
44:12
JSN Jiggy with it, "By any score or any method, get a
44:16
win, fingers crossed," emoji.
44:18
I like that.
44:19
Carly, "Sam Darnold looks like the guy who won us a Super Bowl again.
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I beat a dead horse with my Canine wish last year, and our run game got fixed.
44:28
Maybe this will do it eventually, too."
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That's a great point, Carly.
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Keep wishing until it comes true.
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Don't stop believing.
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Don't stop trying.
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Don't stop dropping those wishes.
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Get in our flock at, getintheflock.com
44:43
so you can help Carly with this wish.
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Let's get Sam back to Super Bowl Sam.
44:47
Nate, "I wish the Seahawks O-line kills it, and we end up
44:52
with the higher rushing total."
44:54
Boy, that would be awesome.
44:56
Josh, a simple wish, and maybe this would be enough for a win, "No fumbles."
45:01
Hm.
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When's the last time that Zach, if I say his name right- … has
45:05
fumbled and lost it for the Seahawks?
45:07
The last time, it has never happened in the history of the world.
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Clinton: Wow, knock on all the wood- Keep it … with that one.
45:12
Yes, exactly.
45:13
Keep it.
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Yes, here we go.
45:15
So now for your wishes.
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Brandan will be wishing first.
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Brandan, you were very, very close on your What If Super Hawk last week.
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Mm-hmm.
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What do you got for us this week?
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Well, I, it's normally difficult to wish for turnovers from specific
45:30
people, but I'm gonna do it anyway.
45:32
Okay.
45:32
I'm gonna say that, that Mahomes and that link with Kelce, Julian
45:38
Love's gonna be all over it, and he is going to get himself an INT this week.
45:42
Love bites for us this week.
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INT.
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For love.
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Good.
45:49
Love it.
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Clinton, how about you?
45:51
Clinton: Yes.
45:51
All right.
45:52
Well, I have this habit of wishing for what I, or I mani- trying to manifest what
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I want, so I'm gonna try to avoid that.
45:58
I'm gonna go somewhere else.
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Boy, I'm gonna go somewhere else.
46:02
I am gonna go with I wish, I wish, I wish, I wish that Sam Darnold
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has, is sacked one time or less.
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How's that?
46:13
Ooh.
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Clinton: Once or less.
46:15
That's kind of an Abe wish, isn't it?
46:18
Clinton: It's partially a wish, yes, yes.
46:21
Also, it sounds like exactly the same thing you do every
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week of, of trying to, get what you want to happen happen.
46:28
I think it still is a wish that, like, you desire and- Yeah … want
46:31
to manifest into this game, right?
46:33
Clinton: I guess so.
46:33
Yeah, I don't even know I, I need to be the…
46:35
Yes, fine.
46:36
Both of you are right.
46:37
Fine.
46:37
Okay.
46:38
So we are wishing for one or fewer sacks from Sam.
46:42
I like that as long as it doesn't mean that he's just chucking it up there.
46:46
You know, I will take a chuck it up if it's 50 yards down
46:48
the field on third down.
46:49
That's fine, Sam.
46:51
I don't count picks if they're third and long and you throw it
46:54
50 yards down and give JSN a shot.
46:56
Yeah.
46:57
That's not a negative to me, and people that call that a negative, I don't
47:00
think you're understanding football.
47:02
So, but what I don't want are fumbles, lots of sacks, and turnovers at the
47:07
end of the game when we could have won if you'd just not thrown it.
47:11
Yeah.
47:11
Mm-hmm.
47:12
Bill's okay with arm punts.
47:13
Clinton: Yeah.
47:13
That's,
47:14
that's what you're
47:14
Clinton: saying.
47:14
The Jo- the Josh Allen arm punt is usually pretty effective.
47:18
But- And then sometimes a- K- comes down with it or there's
47:21
a flag on the play, right?
47:22
Yeah.
47:22
So a lot of that happens too.
47:23
So many good things can happen and nothing bad can happen, really.
47:27
Clinton: Yeah.
47:28
Yeah.
47:28
I mean, every now and again you get the return for a touchdown,
47:30
but that's very, very rare.
47:32
Yeah.
47:32
That's like a punt return being returned also.
47:34
It's very
47:34
similar.
47:35
Yeah, about the same odds.
47:36
Yep.
47:36
Very close.
47:37
We're gonna predict the score.
47:38
Clinton won 'cause, he was super close on the score pick last week.
47:43
Mm-hmm.
47:43
Was…
47:43
Yep, he picked a one-point win, which we did not get, but our score
47:47
was much closer to that than the nine-point win that Brandan chose.
47:52
Mm-hmm.
47:52
So Brandan needs a comeback.
47:54
Brandan gets to go first.
47:56
What's the score for this matchup Sunday night?
47:59
I guess I get to, turn the tables on Clinton and go Seahawks 21, Chiefs 20.
48:05
Clinton: There we go.
48:05
That's so funny.
48:07
All right.
48:07
Wow,
48:07
20.
48:08
Clinton: I'm disrupted.
48:09
I'm fully disrupted.
48:10
I had a plan and he just disrupted it.
48:11
So, it, it wasn't to get- … do, do a one-point jammy again.
48:15
However, I was thinking 20-19 previously, but now I've got
48:19
to change my, my game here.
48:21
I'm not gonna pick the Chiefs to win.
48:23
I'm not doing it.
48:24
I'm not doing it.
48:25
They might win this game, but I, I, I'm not there yet.
48:28
I'm not there with this team.
48:29
I
48:29
feel better about this game than the Donkey game, and I know
48:32
the Chiefs are a way better team.
48:34
Yeah, that game was bad.
48:34
Just Sunday night at home, extra time for Mike.
48:37
I believe in this game.
48:39
Clinton: Chiefs are much, much better.
48:39
I
48:39
thought about leaving you a one-point window too, but then
48:42
I figured you'd probably take it.
48:43
Clinton: I probably would've snuck in there like a jerk.
48:45
You know, the jerk store called, called.
48:47
They're out of me.
48:48
All right, let's go…
48:51
Oh, look, let's win this football game.
48:54
If we win, which we can, I think we gotta get to the mid-20s, so
48:59
24- Ugh, 24-20 Seattle Seahawks.
49:05
We get the W.
49:07
We need this win.
49:09
Yeah, I, I think we could hold the Chiefs to 10 or 11 in this game.
49:12
I really do.
49:13
Clinton: I don't know.
49:14
I don't know, Jim.
49:15
That's, that's hard.
49:15
That's hard, man.
49:17
W- in a game, we haven't held the Broncos to that.
49:19
We didn't hold the Chargers to that.
49:21
We sure as you know what didn't hold the Commanders to that.
49:23
And the Chiefs s- whatever, they have wide receiver challenges,
49:28
but they have Pat Mahomes.
49:29
The Chiefs
49:30
are a little bit like if the 49ers didn't have Mike Evans.
49:35
Clinton: Which didn't look good in that second half.
49:37
That's when the Commanders almost won that game.
49:41
Uh-huh.
49:41
Yeah.
49:41
Yeah.
49:41
But, Except I do put K9 ahead of, the, the run game- Yes.
49:46
Yeah … McCaffrey right now.
49:47
Clinton: Agree.
49:48
Agree.
49:49
Yeah, it does turn out that maybe, maybe my 10 or 11 hold down on Sunday
49:53
night might be a little bit hopeful.
49:55
I, I just won't be surprised.
49:57
I just won't be surprised if we can keep them to one touchdown
50:01
and just a field goal or two.
50:03
I just feel like our defense is ready to show what they've got, and
50:07
hopefully our offense cashes in on the opportunity by not throwing it away.
50:11
Mm-hmm.
50:11
And just don't turn it over.
50:13
I, I just, I'm, I'm looking for good things.
50:17
We gotta win one of these next two.
50:19
Why not start this week?
50:19
Clinton: Yes.
50:20
Yeah, 100%.
50:21
That's my
50:21
preference.
50:22
I think just get this one out of the…
50:23
Get those, this win first, and then worry about the next one.
50:27
Clinton: I like that.
50:27
Yeah.
50:27
That, that seem, that feels right to me, Brandan.
50:29
And of course, this will be out Thursday night for everybody, or
50:32
even Thursday day, so check it out.
50:34
And then tonight, if you're watching this at that point, let's, we got
50:37
Bears, Patriots to kick the week off.
50:39
So we gotta cheer for the Patriots, of cou- of course- Yes … because any NFC
50:42
team that's kind of in the, the muddle mix of, potential playoff spots,
50:46
we gotta start cheering against them.
50:48
Yep.
50:48
And it's, and no, it's not too early for that.
50:50
It's, it's a perfect, perfect time for that.
50:52
So why don't we start the week right?
50:54
Let's get a Bears team dejected and feeling beaten down by a Patriots team.
50:59
We go get a W at home in the PNW, and then we welcome the Bears next week.
51:05
That feels like a nice combination for me.
51:07
Boys, what do you say?
51:08
Let's do it.
51:09
Clinton: All right.
51:09
I think with
51:10
that- I like
51:11
that one.
51:11
There's only one thing left to say.
51:13
Go Hawks.
51:15
Clinton: Go
51:15
Hawks.
51:15
Go Hawks.
51:17
Stop the puppy.