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Annie F. Downs on Enneagram, Marriage, and Don't Let That Hold You Back · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: I have to say, when I first heard Enneagram, I thought it was Enneagram.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, so many people did.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_01: So many people did, which is hilarious.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, you started talking about it and you were kind of bringing it back or part of the way if that happened for sure.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: And having, you know, when Speth McCord was on the show, it became a little bit more clear.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: So many people said that to me at the start.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, Annie Agram.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I wish, but no.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no, no.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: I know, right?
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: You never know.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you've had a few quizzes over the years, but not this, not that good.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, how are you feeling?
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like there's been so much that you're doing.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you got married, you launched a book.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: I I would say I don't know how you do it all, except for as a fellow seven, there's just a unique capacity, and we sort of thrive doing it all.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: How are you feeling?
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like what where are you at?
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: I literally just did an Instagram story where I was like, here's what's been fun this week, and here's what's been devastating.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's been both this week.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: I've I've we've watched really sad stories publicly in the news and and some that I have direct connection with that are just heartbreaking.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: And and I went to Colonial Williamsburg on Tuesday.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I my husband and I were in Virginia this week, and we had to Branson tomorrow.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: And so it is a season where I'm practicing being me and how God made me and holding what is true, um, but not ignoring the pain that's real in the world and in my own heart.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: So um getting married, launching a wedding and launch uh launching a wedding slash marriage and launching a book are probably not what I'd recommend within a month.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: But uh it was it was when the wedding made the most sense for our friends and family and for our schedules.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so it was like, well, here we go.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get married and then hit the ground running.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: So literally, I mean, you this this won't surprise you, Amy, but let me just tell you our schedule, the last couple of weeks.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: Last Friday, so we got married August 21st.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's about a month after that when you and I are talking.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh last Friday, I flew to San Antonio, he flew to Lynchburg.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: I spoke in Lynchburg Friday.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, I spoke in San Antonio Friday, Saturday.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: JW was already in Lynchburg.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: I flew to Lynchburg.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: We were together Saturday, Sunday, Monday in Lynchburg for his work, and I worked remote.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: We drove to Virginia Beach Wednesday morning.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: Tuesday we went to Colonial Williamsburg.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wednesday, it was our day off, our shared day off.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: Wednesday, we went to record the 700 Club and flew home.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_01: Today's Thursday.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: I got up this morning and I was on the local news at 8 a.m.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then I went to Target and signed books this morning.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: I dropped JW off at the airport because he flies to Branson for Women of Joy.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: Tomorrow morning I fly to Branson for Women of Joy.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: Get ready, Amy.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: We're there until Sunday.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: Then we fly to Aspen for his work for three days.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then we come back here and then he drives to Pigeon Forge on Thursday for Women of Joy.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I fly to Pigeon Forge on Friday.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then we are in Pigeon Forge on and off for a week and a half.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my word.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: He goes to Lynchburg again for three days.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then it is the last week of October, and I have a hernia repair surgery.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's a but as a seven, right?
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like some people would lose their.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I if with our my personality and JW's personality, we're both like, great, we're together.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like we don't have to be home to be together.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: We have built our fall and our schedule going forward to say we may look busy externally, but we are choosing to be home together versus one person being at home at our house.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: And so it means I do laundry turnaround really quick.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: It means he empties the garbage really quick.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_01: And um, but it's what we want.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's the life that we want and it's what our jobs require.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: And we are just actually really thankful that it lines up so well that we can travel together as much as we get to.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_00: That it's a miracle, Annie.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think you could have written that.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: My guess is you wouldn't have asked or imagined, even at some level, because I think it's so unique what you have.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: But I love thank you for sharing that.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: That is so.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it's one of those things where we can still say we're tired and it's exhausting, and yet it's our best life ever.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: And so it can be both.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I okay, so I want to jump to this because I don't know if I've heard you mention, but what is JW's Enneagram type?
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he's never officially uh like he hasn't done the research.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I do not know what type JW would say he most directly connects with.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, sure.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: In the basic quiz of it all, the very basic quiz of it all is he's a seven as well.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: No kidding.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so fun.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: All right, yeah.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: So and that matches some of his motivations.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm I am the queen of behavior, as you say a lot, behavior is not the thing, behavior is a result.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we can all behave the same.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: We just have nine different ways of why we're doing what we're doing.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so I can't just look at his behavior, but based on his motivations and how he chooses things that he chooses, he is way more heart-driven than me.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: So he has like higher numbers, like the heart triad when we we took a test that ranks them.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: And his heart triad ranks very high.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'd have told you he was a male two before I knew he was a seven.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I think he still could, we'll see.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: As he digs deeper, he may identify more as a two than a seven.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: But he is very heart forward, and I am absolutely not.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: I am thinking, solving puzzle.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: I am, I would actually, Amy, if I didn't know the motivations of a seven, I would tell you I'm an eight.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: I have a lot of eight energy, especially at work, especially with my job.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm very highly driven, very accomplished, can bulldoze people on accident.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I'm very, but I'm not, it's not a control thing for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a fear of everything, of losing everything.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_01: The bucket always has holes in the bottom.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I know my, I know I'm a seven in my heart, but I have two eight wings.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like if I'm a flying seven, it's because I have two eight wings flying me there.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think that's what one of the things I want to say, there's a lot to that.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: First of all, I love the fact that there's the possibility that you could be both sevens.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's super fun.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: It happens, absolutely types marry each other.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: There's also that social seven, which that's more my leaning, that looks a little bit like a two.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_00: And there's that element where, and because I think you're one to one seven.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I am.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so there's enough differences, at least in my experience, especially when the wings are stronger.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: Then it does absolutely shade it.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: But oh, I'll have to read more about that, about social seven, because I'm telling you, he is, he has the biggest heart.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: He is so much nicer than me.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it is he is, he cares about every I mean, babies and animals love him.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: He is everything you would see in a two.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's really interesting.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: So my my sister is a two first, but a seven second.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: And when we are together and she's the baby in the family, there's a lot of your car um for us.
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  SPEAKER_00: But um, she ended up marrying a seven.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_00: And so the two of them together, their first years, they got married older as well.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: And their first years together, they're doing all the trips so much so we're like, um, hey, I know you gave a lot of, you know, holidays to family.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: We still want to see you on occasion.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's exactly right.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's exactly right.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love that.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's so fun.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: Well, one of the things that I definitely have not really ever questioned how you um present as a seven, but I think what I always preach as well is that idea of what is the inner world and the inner narrative and the desires and all of that.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: But chapter 18 in particular, I wasn't expecting it or anticipating it, but you're talking about FOMO.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: And yes, I'll go with you today.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, go with the book.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: I have the book as well.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: But you were talking about that in a in just a way that it gave some language.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: One, I laughed because when you shared that story about your dad.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: My oldest is a seven as well.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I ran down the driveway and I couldn't decide if I wanted to go with him or not.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: I was just, I was laughing out loud.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: I was listening on my audiobook on Audible at that point in time.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm just like, oh my gosh, I'm texting my daughter.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: You have got to hear this part of Annie's book because this is so perfect.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: But you did talk about sort of FOMO and our personality, but I'm curious for you, how did you kind of tap into some of that emotion even as you wrote it?
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: Because sometimes I think that's tricky for us as sevens to be able to harness and grab that emotion when we're ahead and puzzle and solving a strategy to be able to articulate.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because I just thought it was really beautiful.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the honest answer is I found for me, and you can tell me if this is a seventh thing, Amy.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: One of the ways God made me is that I'm very good at feeling my emotions when I'm alone.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: And so I a lot of times on my Sabbath, I will grieve.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: I will, because I'm running going so fast every other day.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: My one day a week when I sit down with the Lord and have extended time, I I feel a lot of things because for me, feelings aren't.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: I I have grown to where I'm not afraid to feel them, but I'm still hesitant to show them.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: So true maturity will be feel them and show them.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: But currently, I'm very good at feeling them.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm slower at showing them, especially the ones that I would deem negative that are Ennegram four friends, would be like, rude.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's not it's not negative to be sad.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, yeah, it is.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: Put me on a roller coaster.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um but so for me with writing, it's actually really easy for me to tap deeply into my feelings because I'm alone.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's amazing.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm writing alone and I'm writing the whole truth, and then I forget that other people are gonna read it.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: But often, I often ever since my book Remember God, where I kind of left more of my feelings.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, thank you.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: So good, loved it.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: I left a lot of my feelings in the book that my agent was like, we're not doing that again, we're not gonna go.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, but every book I write starts that deep because I'm safe with myself.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: And so I can write with myself because I'm safe with myself.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: And as I've matured since I wrote Remember God a decade ago, I've learned like some of the, and now being married, it's a whole other gig because it's not just my story.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so now there's a whole other part of this that's so different.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: But um, but for don't let that hold you back, I could get to those places, A, because I really believe in what this book says and I wanted people to feel connected.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I was safe when I was writing because it was just me in a coffee shop in New York City.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: Which I thought that was so fun that you gave us the kind of the sensory, painted the picture of where you were writing and what you were doing.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: That was really well done on your part.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: But I you're a journaler, right?
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: You do a lot of journaling.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: I I think right there is a key.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: And and let my people here, especially my clients who am always nudging to do the journaling, because I think right there is a testament of the fruit.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: Especially I have plenty of clients who have dreams someday of writing a book and doing work um that is for others and sharing their story for others.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: Journaling is where it begins.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I would relate deeply though, Sabbath has for a season it was a little tainted because well, because I lost my dad by way of um circumstances, we'll put it that way.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: And uh but Sunday, to your point, when we stop as sevens, the tears would come unprovoked, nothing would happen.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: Hard to control.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: Very hard to control.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I had to explain to my husband because he would want to fix it.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I finally, it took me, it took me probably a year of this where I was like, it's Sunday, and that's all I would have to say.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: And there would be some peace around it for him because there's a nine that feels chaotic, disruptive.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: Amy, I'd love to hear I genuinely always thought I'd marry a nine because they're just so easy to lead.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: They're just easy to lead around.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: If you're like, I would love to eat at this restaurant, they're like, I'd love it too.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's awesome.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: Until they explode.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: We are secretly stubborn.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: Let me tell you, Andy, I love my man, but there is stubbornness in that nine too.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: But that is something that I'd be I'd wonder as well for you because now you're sharing so much life, not only the day-to-day at home, but travel, touring, all of that.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: So, what have you begun to notice about your personality type?
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: And not that you've had a lot of time to unpack it, but your what you knew before as a seven to what it looks like to share a life.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it is, it's very interesting because I have an entire career and calling around sharing my personal stories.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: And then I married someone who I adore.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: JW is my favorite human ever.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: And he has different levels of vulnerability.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Not vulnerability, that's not fair.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: He's very vulnerable.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's an unfair use of that word.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't have a different level of vulnerability.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: He has a different level of access he offers to people publicly.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: And it's totally appropriate and totally fair.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: And therefore, everywhere that our life over overlaps, I have to pay attention to his gate of where his gate is that is what is personal and what is private.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't know if you've heard me talk about this before, Amy, but I've got these lives, right?
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, tell it right now.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's so good.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's a secret life and a public life.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: We don't want to have a secret life.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: If you have a secret life, clear that up right now because everything comes to light.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: It will not stay secret.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Things get consequences, pain, suffering is way lower.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: If you bring something to light versus someone else, everyone, just watch the news.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: Just watch the news from the Cornell 7 to any story of people being arrested for what was going on in their home.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: If you bring something to light, it goes so much better than if someone else.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: So if you have a secret life, get rid of it.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_01: Consequences may come, your soul matters more.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: So um, everyone has a public life.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: If you have any social media, if you walk out your door, if you meet the mailman at your door, if someone delivers a pizza, you have a public life.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: So those two, we don't want one, you can't help but have the other.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: The two that are interesting to me are your private life versus your personal life.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: And this has been, Amy, for me, a real learning curve long before I was married.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: I had to learn what is private.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: So what is just for me, and what is just for my friends offline, my personal life, my or my my private life, my conversations with my mentor, my conversations with my family, conversations with friends.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: And then what of those things are personal?
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: Meaning it feels vulnerable to share this, but it's not private.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's just personal.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's something you may not have known by looking at my public life.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: So, for example, my journal is private.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody reads my journal.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: My books are personal because it's the stuff you don't know is happening behind what you see publicly, which is social media, podcast, and on a stage.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so all three of those are represented in my daily life.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: What I have to figure out, and what you were saying about people who want to write books that are journalers, I actually think the best season to journal is while you're writing a book because it keeps you from putting private things in a personal story.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: Because you got the private things out in your journal.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: And so then you don't, if they needed to get out of your body, they're out of your body.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: And now you can write a personal version of that story, which is what I've hopefully done and don't let that hold you back, is told personal stories without telling private stories.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: And to your question, that is what JW and I are figuring out on a daily basis and probably will for the rest of our marriage is what feels personal to me might feel private to him.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: And what feels private to me might feel personal to him.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: And we go, hey, I that's private for me.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: We use the analogy of our home and we talk about what rooms do we let people come in and what rooms do we not let people come in.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: And the same is true with our lives online or the stories that we tell is we're okay with people coming in our house, quote quote, but there are rooms they're not coming into.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: And that would be the same if if everyone listening to this podcast came to my house, you're welcome to sit in the living room, but you're not coming in the bathroom with me.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, like there are rooms that are private that are not just personal.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: If we a public event is when we all meet somewhere, a personal event is when y'all come to my house.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: A private event is when you're in the bathroom.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so learning the difference as we tell our stories is what JW and I are gonna always hone and try to do really well.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: And we won't do it perfectly.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: I won't do it perfectly.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: But we talk about it a lot.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't we don't, and neither of us really post anything without saying to the other, I want you to read this.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: Are you good?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like we're doing wedding Wednesday posts every week.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, so fun.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's just because we wanted everybody there, Amy.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: We were like, we wish all of you could have been there.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: So here's the pictures.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't, even though that is a very public part of our lives, I don't hit post without him reading the caption.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's because I want to make sure I'm not telling something private on accident because sometimes my private stories are personal.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: His private stories are private.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm like, Yeah.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man, that's gotta be such a unique dance.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: When I was it Catalyst or I I can't remember, but I did catch that talk and it it landed, I don't even remember what year, but all I know is I referred to it again and again, especially as our family went through something really earth-shattering.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and it wasn't just my story to tell.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: So there has been that constant conversation.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: And for me, it was such a profound framework to have to process through that because I am a little bit of a heart on my sleeve.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not looking to tell everybody, but again, it it's just one of those things in my immaturity and younger years, you know, things would just come out because I don't hide much.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: But that was uh it just really landed and hurt at the right time.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: And maybe I had it in the toolbox before that, but I have shared it again and again because good.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: I use it all the time.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: It helps me so much to decipher.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think also because Enneagram 7s, we walk around with holes in the bottom of our bucket, and it just feels like things are we can never keep up with our before an event has started.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sad it's ending, right?
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: There's just holes in the bottom of my bucket.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so, in all of that, which is so interesting about a wedding, because you're like because I had a thousand weird feelings about a wedding as Enneagram Seven, the the wedding I was throwing.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but even in all that, sometimes I tell stories because I'm trying to keep the water and I'm just trying to like make the thing last.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so I and then JW will say, I wouldn't have told everybody that.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, Oh, sorry.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: I okay, I will not tell that story again, though it is recorded now and it will not, you know, whatever.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: So yes, yes, yes, it's it's a lot.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, okay, so tell us a little bit that uh the makes of emotions.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I think you guys were really brilliant and you followed that line of thinking, that framework you just shared, because you waited to share your engagement, you waited to share about the wedding.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: Brilliant on your part, I think.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think that was a beautiful way to handle the situation.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: But how was that to almost have to keep this secret a lot of times?
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't it's more, we'll call it a surprise.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the surprise of all the goodness that's happening.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: But yet you want to fully anticipate it.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes 4.7 anticipation is telling the world, like, yeah, oh my gosh.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: I get I've told so many friends, I get to talk to Annie.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: You're so sweet, Amy.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, you're so sweet.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: So we dated for 10 months before we put it on the internet, and so our whole world knew like everyone was with us through the good and the bad days.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone had walked through our dating life with us.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: And so we kind of made the decision that we wouldn't hide from the internet, but we weren't going to date last year.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: And so, but we had a we have a small group that was all up in our business.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: We were serving together at church, we were going to a lot of public things.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: People would come up and be like, uh, hello.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd be like, This is my boyfriend JW.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so then when we got engaged, we we didn't wait very long.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: We just enough to tell all of our friends in real life that we wanted to tell like our family and our up close people.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: And then when we got married, the decision was kind of like, do we wait till after the honeymoon and give it like a week and it's just ours and our people's for a week?
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then we just didn't want, we didn't want someone else to do to post about it and feel sorry that they had.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like we didn't want someone else to post and go, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry, and carry that for their lives.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: And so we were like, why don't we just go ahead and simply say, we got married yesterday, more pictures.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Coming later.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then we deleted Instagram off our phones and went on our honeymoon.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so it perfect it felt it worked for us.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: For some other people in my position, they want, and it's right for them to have People Magazine do a first look.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: And it is right and good for them to never tell.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's there's people we know that are engaged right now that the public doesn't know.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: And and so that and that's to each couple, do what is right for y'all.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: For us, it was we want this to be personal.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: We aren't just public, we're personal with you too.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm so thankful to God that He gave me a partner that works like that too.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like he likes that our lives and our stories can help other people and can encourage other people.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so he he very rarely, and I very rarely, there's a couple of topics that are no no flies ever.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: But mostly we kind of go, yeah, I think it's time to tell that story because I think it would help.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I think someone could really be blessed by it.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: And it's been fun, the encouragement people have felt.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: And this was our prayer that that overarchingly that single men and women would feel encouraged, not discouraged about me getting married and JW getting married.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: And it has been fun for people to go, like, I I have hope in ways I didn't before.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, great, let's go.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we want.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: We want you to just look at my life and go, Annie didn't know this was coming, except she hoped.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: And um, so and publicly, publicly hoped.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think that was so brave of you, Annie.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: I I mean, I I truly was one of those people, very like in the top nosebleed section, praying for you.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and I have a sister who long waited a long time too.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so it would just, I would pray for Annie and Annie.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: And it just it worked really well.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: But it was, but you hoped publicly so well that gave me encouragement for other areas of my life.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: Good yeah.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: Wasn't I I have kids in college now.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: If I've this is not and that wasn't a new thing for me.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: Love wasn't, but there was other things that I was hopeful for and wasn't sure what God was gonna do or what it what it looked like to wait well.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I think Me too.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still I didn't get married and get everything I want.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: So that's the reality, is all of us, every one of our friends listening, no matter their Enneagram type, they're showing up waiting on something today.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: And it may feel like a big, massive prayer like mine was for getting married someday and falling in love and feeling like this is I've been praying for this for 20 years.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: Or it could be like, man, for the last six weeks, I've had this idea that I've just been asking God for and I'm just waiting on him to do it.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: Or, or somebody goes, I'm waiting on a call about a medical test I had run yesterday.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: And that wait, that 18 hours feels way longer than 18 years when it comes to waiting to get married versus finding out if you are walking into a new health journey you didn't know you had.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: And so so waiting well is something I wanted to practice publicly, and I want to keep practicing publicly for the other things I hope for.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm also a newlywed, so I'm not like, here's what I'm waiting on.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yay, you know, so yeah, it's just good right now.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: My season, my season is not like, let's talk about what I'm waiting and what I've been travailing in prayer for.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, no, I'm not.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna ride this one for a minute.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm gonna enjoy and not ask for much for as you should.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because this is I'm in a very sweet, thankful spot that I've never gotten to be in before.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I I think that's what was amazing in how you obviously this almost chronicles the before JW.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: And but it's out.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: It is, I just thought like that was so cool of the Lord to do that for you.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: And and so I want to say just, you know, for a moment, the book is I just I was telling my college daughters, they gotta listen to it.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I have it on Audible.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta listen to it.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm gonna be giving it away.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm gonna be handing it to the coaches on my team.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: There's a book I've been handing them for a while.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, it was it was to encourage them to not give up.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: But this is the new handbook that I really will be just because it speaks to so many elements of life.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's a very universal uh ache.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: You dress a lot of things in a way that you can put it in your context and it applies beautifully.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: I love that actually, Amy, about the book's lifespan because you know this from writing too.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Every book is a yearbook, it's a marker of a season.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: And it is wild to me that God allowed me to write this book in the last days before I met my husband.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I finished the book and weeks later met JW.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I so it's just a wild uh timeline because I don't know that I have another thing in my life where it is so clearly marked the like here was the last moments before God answered the prayer you'd been praying.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: And this whole book are the last moments before God answered this particular prayer for me.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: And and it I think it makes the book more true.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's because I didn't know what was coming.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't, I mean, until the epilogue when I'm like, well, I have a boyfriend and I don't live in New York anymore.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: So here's a weird thing.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then by the time the book comes out, we're married.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's just a crazy moment in time that's recording that book.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it's really hopeful for people, I hope, because it says like you have no idea what God's gonna do tomorrow.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: So today, yes, that holds you back because he may answer your greatest prayer tomorrow.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: If he did, how do you want to live today?
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: If you knew he was gonna do tomorrow, what you've been hoping he would do, how do you want to live today?
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: What phone calls do you need to make?
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: What exercise do you want to do?
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: Who do you need to email?
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: If you knew God was gonna do tomorrow, what would you say to him?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: And what would you do?
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what don't let that hold you back is.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: There's so much where it was just affirming.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: Oh it was going, oh yeah, this is worth like knocking on the door.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: You talk about you kind of, and I'm still a spoiler alert, we'll kind of maybe touch a little back at the end.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: But um I I finally got some.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: I got one in particular door that I've been knocking on for 10 years.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: And it was just so fun to be reminded of you don't exactly the next day, something might happen.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: And you might be thinking that day, I should just give up, I should walk away.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: But your determination and your grit, and and maybe that's part of that eight-wing.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: It was just it was kind of nice to hear it from my vantage point of where I wondered am I foolish to keep going?
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: Am I foolish to keep knocking?
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: Am I foolish to keep hoping?
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: And and we know that's not true.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: Biblically, it's not foolish to keep hoping.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: But it just feels easier.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like I put my it is, it is, it is until you realize you have atrophied an important part of your heart.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: And you won't know the day.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: You won't, well, you won't know the little increments of atrophying your heart and atrophying your hope until the day you realize there is no lifeblood in it anymore.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, I can tell you the day that I realize, like, oh, I've stopped hoping for a future relationship and for a partner.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: And it is, I mean, what is the scripture says that uh you're heart sick, right?
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I felt heart sick, uh, delayed.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh what's the language?
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: Hope deferred makes the heart sick.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly right.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: Hope deferred.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I felt that profoundly.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I went, oh, I thought it'd be easier not to hope.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: It actually kills something in me when I don't hope.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: So I've got to keep hope alive, but and and not hope that you're gonna get what you want, Amy.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's the problem, particularly maybe first seven, is we can rewrite a story beautifully.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: We can read, and that helps a lot of people.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: It is a gift that we have.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: And what we can't do in our spiritual life is rewrite.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well, if A plus B is gonna equal C, bless God.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's not how it works.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so what we what we have to do when when when those moments come, if what we actually hope in, is we the hope is God is writing a bigger story than I can see.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: And therefore, whatever happens today is part of his story, and it can break my heart and it can ruin my day, and it can ruin my week, and it can be devastating.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: And there will come a time where that piece of the story or that page of the story will fit within a bigger story where you go, hate it, it happened, would never choose it again.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: And God seems to have found a way to use it.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks be to God.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but that takes time.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's why we it's a long life.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: My one of my tattoos, uh, I have white tattoos on my arm at the book, the turtle.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: The turtle, well, I don't have a turtle tattoo, yes.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: The sword.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: The sword, yeah.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: But maybe the turtle's next.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: I know, right?
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I have one that says savor this as a seven because that felt like such a profound thing, God said to me, of like, quit rushing to the next thing and be in what you're in, even if what you're sitting in is deep sadness.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: Sit in it, be in it.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: You have to savor this.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that helps sevens a lot.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think that helps a lot of people.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think we there's a couple of numbers we could say, okay, you've savored.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Get up and work.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: We got somewhere to be.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: But for us, it's helpful for people to go you keep your hope alive by savoring the moment you're in and actually believing that God's writing a bigger story.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I promise you, Enneagram Sevens, the story's gonna go slower than you want it to, because we are fast moving people.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: So the story's gonna go slower than you want to, but the story is going.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's right.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I just hosted a summit with in connection to my book, but yeah, part of the subtitle is about being God's beloved.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: And there I have a tattoo story as well, and I shared it during one of my talks.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: But ultimately, the reason why I got it was I wanted the reminder before I was believing that I was beloved.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-and beloved is the meaning of my name and all of that.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: But right when you're feeling hopeless and life really tests it and the circumstances aren't matching the expectations, the effort, all of that, right?
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: But it's going back to the truth of first who God is, which he's love and good and kind and powerful and just and perfect.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: And then in that middle of receiving that truth of who we are and how he loves us.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I I feel like that is you talk about that, you you talk about living that out in the midst of circumstances that are just disappointing.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: And even, you know, to kind of touch back on one of the stories, when you realize this book you've been pitching, and as a fellow writer, yeah, seeing that book idea out there.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I just I have one right now in my body that I'm like, if someone, if there's even a hint of it, I don't know what I would do.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: Now, that's me being dramatic.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: Don't tell anybody that was the first mistake.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's just it's real.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, just how did that even impact your sense of calling as a writer?
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think we're of the same mindset that it feels like God almost hands us a book sometimes.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, so you know, just like a little bit of that rustle, we're like, God, I thought you gave this to me, and yet someone else is doing it.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, what could be worse for a seven than something being taken from us like that?
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: That we were seven wing eight.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the the the betrayal element that girl.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, I know my justice streak is a mile and a half wide.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: It is like, let me add her or him in whatever the situation is.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, totally.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so and then I do nothing.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: And then I get there and I'm like, oh my gosh, you are.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's okay.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: You're not gonna be able to get it.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: Let's I bought your coffee, we're gonna be fine.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um so for our friends listening who haven't read the book yet, what happened is I was pitching a book, and as I was pitching it, one of the publishers said, Actually, this book is coming out.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: There's a version of this book coming out from a friend, an author friend.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: And my agent and I both like wide-eyed, I yeah, I kind of freaked out.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Feeling in your stomach.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, what am I supposed to do?
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: And my agent says, Lisa Jackson, she said, Um, what does this make possible?
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: And that one question, Amy, has rescued me over and over.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: I just saw an Instagram, in fact, I need to reshare it.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: I just saw an Instagram reel, um, a story where it's a teenage daughter and she's kind of like talking to her friends, and she's like, Okay, so my mom is reading this book, and she brought me this question, and like it actually super helps.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: And the question is, and it's what does that make possible?
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: And she's adorable.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: She's like 14 and she's just talking to her friends, being like, I was really disappointed because I had a cold today and didn't get to go on the field trip or something.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember her exact details.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: But but that simple question of what does this make possible resurrects something in me every time.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: Every time.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: My husband is stuck at the airport, he has been there for our friends listening.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: We're recording at 11:40.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: I dropped him off at 7:40.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: And his flight is just keeps getting delayed.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: And and I keep saying to him, okay, so what can we do?
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: We can't, you can wait and fly with me tomorrow.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: We can rebook you on a different airline, we can, and the only reason that besides being a true seven with an a big ol' eight-wing, also I'm going, so what does this make possible?
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: What is God rescuing you from?
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: What is God handing to you?
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_01: And so I we're very good at reminding so far.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, professionals at being married six weeks in.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, you are.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, pros, pros, pros.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: Starting that marriage book right away.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: But kind of the opportunity to go, be who you want to be in this story.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: Be to the people behind the counter who you want to be in this story.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: And he does the same for me, where he says, be who you want to be.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: I know you're tired, but walk in there to that news channel early this morning and be who you want to be, even if you're tired, be who you want to be.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what that's what he's doing right now at the airport.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: But what does this make possible?
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's such a great question.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: I wish my agent got paid every time we used it, like a song that someone would say.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: Seriously, she needs to trademark that.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's it's brilliant.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it invites us to one, it it's for sure a better question, but then to have that conversation with the Lord because you know, sometimes we can have a quick, well, that means I can have a coffee, or I can talk to this person, or I won't miss that thing, especially as FOMO people who want to be five places at once.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: But I know that bigger questions, such as a book project that has been in your heart, that is For a breakup.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: I have a friend waiting on me in my text messages who got broken up with last night.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, How do I keep hope?
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I can't say, what does this make possible?
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: But it's that same.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there are some long stretches of grief that this question will serve you, but it does not have to serve you today.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's good.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: And so, but having the question in your mind and in your heart, there's like I said, there's easy, quick ones like my husband at the airport.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_01: There's harder ones, like someone you love passing away, or someone ending a relationship, or your job getting rid of your position.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, as a business owner, I'm sure you deal with this too.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: I have to make really hard decisions in my business.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I have to believe that God is still writing everyone else's stories too, the people we work with, the partners we have.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: And what does it make possible if Annie stops partnering with us?
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: Is what I have to ask.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: What sure.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: To give another example of my husband, he's a drummer, and there are there are a lot of gigs that come around.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: And he always wants to do them all.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: Of course he does.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, sure.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: And but if two people need him to drum for the same thing on the same night, no can do.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so what I get to say to him is that is someone else's gig.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't that exciting?
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: Someone else who is hoping to be a professional drummer is gonna get to do that gig tonight because you've already got a gig.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so, what did that make possible?
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: You already being booked, made possible for these other, and I have to think about that.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you do too, with speaking events or podcast guests of going like, man, I would have loved to have spoken at that thing, but I've already booked that weekend, or that's one of our hold weekends that we stay home no matter what.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: We have a couple of those on our calendar.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: And you go, Well, this makes something possible for someone else.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: And God does that.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: He, he, he works all of our lives together like that.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's beautiful.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: And even just that moment where right now the only question you feel that you can ask is why.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_00: But when that has been worn out and you're able to ask this other question, I think it's a beautiful invitation for all of us.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I I'm kind of I'd love to hear again.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: We've touched on some of the Enneagram elements.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: The book is for every Enneagram type.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think being a seven gave you a unique superpower to write this?
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: Or is it more about life situations that formed it in you?
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: Have you given any thought to that?
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: Because like nature versus nurture.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: You got it.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's got to be both, as far as um, yes, being a seven is one of my superpowers.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: Each of us, the Enneagram that God handed to us, the personality type God handed to us, is our superpower.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I I'm I wonder if you think this too.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes, Amy, I just go, what could I get done if there were two of me?
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't even make her work.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: We would both work.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: We would both be.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: I would just need to, I want to do it, I want to experience everything.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so, yes, I think some of being able to write, don't let that hold you back, is I can coach you here.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: I can, I know how to get here.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: I can coach you here.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: It may be easier for me than some other people, but it isn't easy.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's not easy for any of us, no matter our nature, nurture, age, race, weight, height, you know, like education, marriage, whatever, singleness.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard for all of us to step into the thing that God has uniquely made us for.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: And figuring that out, it can be really hard to figure that out.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think there's some nature to it.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I think I I kind of have been telling the same story in all my books, Amy.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: I've realized unfortunately, an interviewer asked me about it, and I was like, hold on.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: I have said the same thing 10 times.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: What I say every time is God made you on purpose and God made you unique, and I am here to trumpet that into your ear until you believe me.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so some of it is nurtured that I have grown into understanding that part of how God's created me and what I'm how I can express that on the planet right now is through books and podcasts and speaking.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but when I taught elementary school, I said the same thing to those kids, Amy.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: When I taught school for five years, I would hug them as they left every day and I would tell them how special they were.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I I mean, it has been my life, my whole life calling to make sure people knew they were one of a kind.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: And so, um, and so that, but some of that is nurture.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: And some of that is what I needed.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: And some of that is my own pain, needing a place to uh have purpose after I was healed from some of the pain.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: I love that you've done that so sneakily in the best way.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: You have this very easygoing, let's have fun, right?
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: And in woven in all of it is this deep meaning of purpose and calling.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: I hope so.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's the plan.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I a couple of weeks ago, a um an interviewer, we're actually gonna post this clip at some point, but an interviewer asked me, what do you say to like people, like particularly Christian theologians, they would say, like, you water things down or you are too light.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, great.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: Some of us need to be.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I want to be, I want to bridge people to theologians.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to be a theologian.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I want to be the friend in the bookstore that you pick up and you're like, man, at least I've got Annie.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: At least I got Annie.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: And Annie, and then when they get to me, I will, then they read our books and then they come listen to the podcast, and then we introduce them to theologians who take them deeper.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_01: I love my seat in this world.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't feel they I can get accused of all that all day long, and it'll hurt my feelings, right?
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_01: Mostly by Christians.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm like, guess what?
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: When non-Christians pick up our work because it's approachable, thanks be to God.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: I would much rather Christians be unhappy with me for being a little bit light, you know, a little bit light uh and fun, and have non-believers picking up.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: Now, if non-believers aren't do are picking up the work and Christians are mad, then I need to adjust what I'm doing.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: I need to make sure I'm on my calling.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: But I our our calling, we feel very called in this office with my coworkers and I, that we like our seat.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: We like being approachable, we like that our work is um the edge of faith, where people can come in and feel like they have a friend already in it.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then we bridge them to the deeper, deeper thinking.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm great with that.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: I don't uh go find the fives.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm the seven on the outside, and I'll point you to the fives, you know.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: And the ones, the ones who help you know truth from light from darkness.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, I may be a little bit gray.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: Go find a one.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: And that one will help you to really suss out where you need the black and white.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_01: That will not be me.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: You are absolutely in your lane.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I I would just say Proverbs 29 11, bring the light of instruction to the wicked, even though the wicked, even though you despise What the wicked do.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: And that's been my true north about using Enneagram because I've wrestled with it.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's beautiful and had plenty of accusations.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: Still get it.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: Even recently on another one of your friends' podcast, she's asking me, Is the Enneagram demonic?
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: Because she got so much pushed back.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so that has been what I felt um the calling, the space in between where this bridge of maybe women who feel hurt by the church or people who are curious, but Enneagram is way safer, a lot more fun.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: And in the end, the beautiful fruit that comes if you spend enough time in the conversations that you get to be witness to.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe we're not having them directly, but certainly supplement.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: I want to be the bridge.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm great with being the bridge.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: If people stop with me, I've failed.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: But I want to bridge them to the Lord.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: I want to bridge them to, I mean, that's what our mission statement says on the wall.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's a unique gift that a seven can offer of going like, hey, I think you're right.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: Keep going.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't need you to stop with me.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: Go.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: I like I want you to, I want all my friends to be friends with my friends.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I started That Sounds Fun, the podcast is I was like, I want to introduce all my friends to all my friends.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's my favorite thing.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's what we get to do all the time.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm uniquely positioned and uniquely created to do that right now in the ways I'm doing it.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: It won't always look like this.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I there are other ways I do it that are not public, but for now, this is what I get to do.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I'm seeing how quickly our time went.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I know that I would I would take two hours because of all the things, right?
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um because I just always knew once we could have coffee and conversation, this would just be so fun.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: But so, you know, obviously you've got a ton of things planned.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_00: Your schedule that you outlined for us at the beginning, insane for most people, exhausting for some, uh, a lot of fun, I would say.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: But you've been talking about and letting us know by way of your journey experience about a sabbatical coming up next year.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh okay, as someone who would consider that for my business, I I feel the weight of that.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I just want to say you're so brave.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for leading in this way.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, thanks.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_00: I also would love to hear you unpack it from the perspective of I don't know that JW is in a position with his work that he could take a sabbatical.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: My husband's an arborist.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: He has a lot of people.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: Therefore, the Nancy Police book about um reforesting faith.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yes, yes.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: My favorite book about trees.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's why I woven trees in my book.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, that makes so much sense.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_00: So he was my constant text thread of like, tell me about the pear tree again.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, love.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, so sabbatical, it sounds amazing.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: I've read many books.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_00: Ruth Haley Barton is one of them who's written on it, and so many other, you know, beautiful writers and those who long before us.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: How do you reconcile some of that with maybe a position or a job that doesn't allow for it?
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: And this is a big conversation that you don't necessarily have to have the answer for, but what does that look like to you?
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't, I definitely don't have all the answers.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll start with that.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: Alex, I'll tell you our story that is uh descriptive, not prescriptive.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: So uh in 2020, I read the scripture, it says, every seven years, let the fields rest.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I cannot do that in my job.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_01: And the Lord was like, Yes, you can.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's where it started, Amy.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: It was not this like everyone should do this.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_01: It was the Lord putting his healing finger wide right on a wounded place for me that says, if I stop working, I lose everything.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought, well, that's 2027.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_01: I can I how would we ever do that?
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, how would we afford that?
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: Because I wanted everyone to get paid.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: And and so in 2020, we started planning toward it.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_01: And in the last couple of years, we started really planning toward it financially.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: And it is scary.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you, there are partners of ours who are worried about what happens when we come back, and what if everybody's gone?
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I have to, in the meetings, be like publicly, be like, it's obedience, they won't be gone.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: Adele, if Adele launched an album next week, you know what you and I are talking about right now?
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: Adele.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm no Adele, but what I'm saying is when people love the work you do, they will receive the work whenever you offer it.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_01: And we are only taking a summer off.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: We are not taking 10 years off.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: We're taking Memorial Day to Labor Day of 2027.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the staff gets paid, they all get to rest for the summer.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, JW won't take the whole summer off, but we do have some fun trips planned, but I'll get to go with him absolutely everywhere.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: Amy, my biggest concern is I'm gonna be bored out of my TikTok.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's not possible.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_01: What am I gonna do?
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: By the time we get to August, because no work, no social media.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so it's not like I can go, oh, I've got a book idea, I should work on it.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm really gonna be disciplined and not work and do and not, I mean, you're we are going big time dark, Memorial Day to Labor Day, not a podcast, not an Instagram post, not a thing.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I won't even be on socials, I won't have them on my phone or email, probably social, certainly not Slack.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: And so I have a lot of fears about it.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: I have a lot of worries financially, I have worries about partners, I have worries about my own brain and what I'm gonna do.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: And okay, yeah, let the Lord handle it.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, okay, if whatever happens on Labor Day 2027 till the end of the year 2027, He He will handle it.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: That does not mean we will have massive success.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_01: It does not mean that we will come back and suddenly have a gazillion new followers on it.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_01: I no, no, no.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know any, I don't know about any of that.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care about any of that.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: We had this happen with Don't Let That Hold You Back, Amy, where there was some real obedience to getting this book out that you would have thought looked like a certain reward.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: And we did not get that reward.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_01: And you just go, hey, guess whatever.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: And you sit with the team and you go.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, the Monday after the book launched, before we knew about lists or anything, we went around the table at staff meeting and we said, What's a gospel success you've seen in the first week of this book's life?
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's what obedience brings.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: And so we can't just go, what's worldly success?
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_01: What's gospel success?
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: And people were telling stories of handing the book to their non-believing neighbor.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: So it wasn't about what they saw online, it was about in my own home, here's what I've done.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: And here's a message I heard.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: So to get to the sabbatical, we are looking for obedience that leads to gospel success for those three months.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: And that is gonna look like a rested team.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_01: And that's gonna look like what we're modeling, like you said.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for feeling that it feels brave to me too.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'm scared.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: So it feels brave.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we have no idea what happens after.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we have books to write and things to do, but I don't know.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: And it's obedient.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know what to tell you.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it is just the thing for it's not for everybody.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_01: And if you have a job that doesn't allow that, okay.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: It was never about creating a system that everyone should follow.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_01: It was about God using a unique opportunity in my heart to tear down the idols of feeling safe because of money and feeling safe because of perceived success, that He is my safety.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_01: And so this was never prescriptive for the world.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_01: This is descriptive for God rescuing me from an idol.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that'll preach all day long because the security for the seven, this is the thing we go after, the motivation behind our decisions, and you're demonstrating, almost flying in the face of perceived security.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I and yeah, who knows what the fruit of obedience looks like exactly.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_00: But what I know is that there will be fruit from your obedience.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: And that will be really awesome.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_01: For all of them going, we agree.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, of course, they're like paid summer off, okay.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_01: But also they have to risk coming back to a job that has been silent for three months.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_01: And they have to choose to rest.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_01: That it is not take three months off of this job and get another one.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_01: It is this, and we're like gonna have a sabbatical.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm it's on my list to talk to my COO about this week, but like we're gonna have a sabbatical coach come in and coach us at the beginning of next year so that everybody rests well and really kind of looks into it.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's amazing.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm like, I'm uh it is for all of us to rest.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: And for God has something for my team that requires the obedience from me hearing him, but they're obeying him too.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_01: They're yeah, they obey him leaps and bounds above me.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm way slower than anybody on my team.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: I doubt that.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh Annie, thank you for kind of going there when it that could be a whole conversation itself, but just kind of share from your perspective too, not for as a formula, but as this is what I'm learning, this is what we're practice, and and just almost as everything else that you've done, you're gonna live it out in real time and we're gonna get to learn.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_00: And the good of come back at the end of next year and be like, I don't know, Amy, but I'm back.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I that's what I kind of imagined that in God's sense of humor, at least how I've seen it demonstrated in my life, is that the things that I know I was set to teach, I have to live out again and again and and just say, well, that I still don't know.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm still waiting.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_00: I whatever that is, but what I'm resting on, if God told me, I'm gonna, I'm gonna trust that.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_00: Even if it, oh, even if it's hard for a little bit.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_00: But um, Annie, there's there's so much we could say about that book.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_00: And my friends can definitely just do a little search and can see a lot of different places.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_00: You're having amazing conversations.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, is there anything else for today that you didn't feel like you got to share that you want to share?
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_00: You're the best seven.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_01: Or I mean, the answer is a thousand things, of course.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_01: You and I could keep going forever, but we'll save that for after sabbatical.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds good.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Annie, thank you so much.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, this is amazing.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_00: Such a treat, joy, honor, all of it.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_00: So appreciate you.