Latest / OCCULTINARIUM / Occultinarium - EP 25 - 6 of Wands
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- Lynn: Hello and welcome to tonight's episode of the Occultinarium. We are the voices of the occultinarium, and tonight's hosts are Luigi: Luigi! Amelie: Amelie? Lynn: Lynn. Tonight we will cover another tarot card. We just slid into the next decan. Today's the third of August 2026, and we are now in the second decon of Leo, which is represented by the six of wands. pulling up the parts here. Drum roll, we can Luigi: drum roll Lynn: do Amelie: Let me do the golden dawn and the hermetic one. Lynn: Yes, also we do have a drum roll. Carry on. Woohoo! Luigi: Ole! Lynn: Okay, so six of wands. Different slightly different images and all of these. let's kick it off. Amelie: Still have the goblin hands. Lynn: yeah Luigi: Hehehehe Lynn: From last. Yeah. Are you Okay, do you wanna do we wanna do the Hermetic and the Golden Dawn first again, like we did the last time? The excuse was because we know the least about them. Luigi: Let me... Amelie: So true. Lynn: They're new to they're new to us, but the the imagery is almost older, more original than the Thoth and the Smith. Yeah. Amelie: It's it's funny because exactly, 'cause I've the Golden Dawn one is is older. So actually Lynn: Yeah. But younger in public publication, basically. Amelie: Yeah, I guess it's yeah, I guess it's been hidden longer. Lynn: Yes. S secretly kept by the Golden Worm. Amelie: Was there something specific you looked at at the hermetic Lynn: The hermetic. Amelie: one? Yeah. Lynn: Well, the hermetic is quite similar to the to the thoth, right? so Amelie: Hm, it is. Lynn: yeah, so this is the hermetic one. the thing that is immediately different is that I mean the position of the ones seems a little more chaotic than it is in the thoth. In the thoth it's a bit more about harmony, from the visuals. And here I mean it's not chaotic. there's obviously like a a rule to it, but it looks kind of more visceral. Like most of the hermetic cards I would say. And and then that we are actually having two hands holding Luigi: Mmm. Amelie: The goblin hands. Lynn: The goblin hands again, which are supposed to be angel hands we found out last. but otherwise we do have the eagle eagle hats. We don't actually have eagle heads in the thoth we have phoenixes, but the eagles are representative of Jupiter. I heard. But we also have the lotus Luigi: Yeah, that's true. Lynn: staffs, which we also have in the in the thoth. Do you have the lotus staffs, then the phoenix, and then the you I don't know how to pronounce it, Eureos Staffs. So the s like the s the the symbolism is similar slash the same. And Amelie: Trying to read the angel names here. Lynn: Yeah, in Hebrew. Mm-hmm. Amelie: Saytel, Saytel and Ol Mia Ol Mia. Lynn: Yeah. Let's see the ancient names over here, then we're having Amelie: Pardon for the butchery. Lynn: Yeah, Jupiter and then again the slash North Node slash Leo, which we discovered last time on our five of one with Hermatic that day using what looks like the North Node symbol and then we discovered there's a connection between the North Node and Leo. during and post session. Do you actually do you wanna enlighten us a little if you remember Luis, do you want to talk a little bit about it? Luigi: trying to remember but... Lynn: Yeah. It was but basically it's a connection between the the north node, the dragon's head or the Leo Leo being connected with the dragon's head being the north node and and the snake and the sun. Luigi: Yeah, I think that we're talking about, yeah, there's like a shared relationship through symbolism via the particular symbols of the snake, the symbol of the lion, and therefore the symbol, apologies, for the dragon. And I guess because the dragon's head is also a symbol of life versus the tail representing death. so having again the rulership of the sun over Leo kind of connects like you know he he displays some rationale not some i don't say some because i question it i i say some as in i entertain all possibilities but yeah there is a rationale to have Lynn: True mysticist. Luigi: the meaning the meaning of the of life and the sun attached to both the North Node and the Leo symbol. But I was also noticing when you were holding the Hermetic deck 6 of 1s and the Toth one, like if you put them next to each Lynn: Yeah, I can put it back up. Luigi: other again, we see that the Leo symbol at the bottom of the Toth one, it is fairly similar in that position as well as, you know, as a almost a North Node symbol or sign. Lynn: That true, yes. Yes. The north one, yeah. Mm, mmm. A bit more in your face here because of the the double the a double ended basically of the knots. Mm. Luigi: Definitely because of the doll the heads like the circles. Yeah Lynn: Mm. Luigi: So yeah, the mystery for that continues Amelie: And the clouds are there again. Lynn: Yes, the clouds Luigi: Mm. Lynn: we figured they they have them in all the wands on the hermetic. we we covered that. Luigi: And I think if I remember correctly, the eagle is also one of the magical animals for Tifaret as well. Lynn: yeah, that might I mean that might send like the eagle and the sun, they're very connected. also with Jove and Jupiter, I think. Luigi: Mm. Lynn: It's also the eagle I th I think is one of the animals of Jupiter Zeph's. Yeah. There's a lot of that. Luigi: Yeah, yeah, It's very true. Lynn: And Jupiter so Jupiter Jupiter rules this deck in. And the fun thing here is that both in the triplicity and the descending order it is jupiter. So we're having a deccon that is double ruled by Jupiter. So imagine having the energy of Leo being backed up on both sides by Jupiter. Like it can get more victorious, right? And the card is called yes, the card the card Amelie: Look at me. Lynn: is called the Lord or Lady of Victory. So it's the it's the name. Yeah. It's about it's victory. And the decanic images for this align with our well, we have it in a Smith right. You actually have like a like a triumph what's it called? Parade basically. this is inspired by the the Roman parades or triumph parades, which used to like back in the Roman times, when they came back from Well, a raid or something well, you wouldn't but the Vi with the Vikings we call it raids, with the Romans we don't call it that, but it's essentially it's the same thing, right? They came back from some military thing victoriously and the the victor would have a whole triumph procession through Rome and that procession would end at the temple of Jupiter. So there's also that connection would end at the Temple of Jupiter and the leaders or the victors would then be deified for the day. so it it it was a good thing to be victorious in Rome because then you got all the food and all the well ladies or men or whatever Luigi: All the glory. Lynn: you prefer, yeah, for the entire glory for entire day. But you might want to note the thing that the victors are not usually rulers or people sitting on thrones, but victors are usually military leaders. But those that go out do their thing and come back and by doing the thing like it's being glorified, but it's not necessarily a glorious thing that they do. Like military leaders don't usually only fight clean. They can fight dirty and they you know the victory that they gain might be by being let's say asshole to other people. You murder people, you know, murder, rape, pillaging, all of that. And then you get home and you're getting, you know, becoming deified by so the people in these victory triumph processions are not necessarily good people. Just keep that in mind. They don't have to be good people. They just want something. So they're feeling pretty Luigi: Mm. Lynn: good. But you know, that's just Amelie: I love how he like puffs up his chest. Lynn: Yeah, I mean he's so he's gonna get you know, he's gonna get all the ladies and the l Amelie: Ha ha ha. Lynn: and the boys for the night. So he's happy. I mean I mean imagine if we we in our modern time were still to be getting that much out of winning something. I mean it still feels good to win something, right? You get the dopamine and whatever whatever it is you get, you know, like here's your you know, here's your ten dollars or here's your food or here's your Yay, you won. Congratulations. But we actually become a god for a day. If that still runs on our genes, you know, we must be so let down by congratulations, you made it. When we were actually expecting this, yeah, I am God, you know. So I don't know. But anyway, yes, so the the victorious person is also the the typical techanic image for for this deck and that SmithCard pulls on. usually also depicted as military leaders dressed in like fine good robes or in in in lion skin So it's a very yes, it's very clear it's a victory. Yeah. I mean sure. Amelie: You gotta take the opportunity when it comes, right? Because this is something, you know, you might actually never I mean, it this is a victory, this is it's for a short while and I guess you accomplish something clean or not clean. Lynn: Yes, but you've done something. Yeah. Yes. Amelie: But you've done something, like you said, and it's like that that particular moment is your moment. So you just have to seize seize the opportunity of feeling great. Exactly. Yes. Lynn: Cardipidum. Yes. Yeah. I mean yeah, I mean you're coming from the five, right? In the five that we just covered, it's all about, you know, it's strife, it's struggle, and then, you know, it feels it's a very much different energy. It's just like also this the the warrants are all lined up, right? It feels much more harmonious, just from the images. Amelie: It yeah, and then the six as well, you're still have that adrenaline in you. You still have Lynn: Mm. Mm. Amelie: this energy in you after the battle, you still have the energy. it's not like the nine of wands where you have been through things but you kind of bit sore. Lynn: You just hang it by a thread. Yeah, you're kind of hanging by a thread. Mm, mm. Amelie: Yeah, you a bit so exactly. Here you still have that energy. Lynn: Yeah, you're at the height of it. I mean we're in the sixes Amelie: Yes. Lynn: in Tiferet, right? So this is the highest emanation, if that's the right word, of the of the element within the human realm. So the six of wands would basically depict the best that we can get out of the wands energy within our human capacity. Basically. Luigi: Mm, well put. Amelie: It's the sun, isn't it, or am I very wrong? Luigi: Sit again. Amelie: It's the sun, isn't it? Luigi: That's the number six, like different, yeah. Lynn: Tiffred, Tiffred is the sun, yes. Yeah. Amelie: Yeah, yeah, Lynn: Mm mm mm. Yes, that's correct. Amelie: yeah. Sorry, I wasn't very clear there. Luigi: You Lynn: Yeah, 'cause I like trusting in Jupiter but I'm like, Yes, of course, Tiffer is Tiffer is Amelie: Tiffuret, yeah, it is in the sun, so obviously it's going to have its like fire Lynn: Yeah. Yeah. Amelie: and then and sun as well, so Luigi: And is there a Lynn: Yeah. Luigi: greater victory, if you want to put it that way, is there any greater victory than balancing the love of Hesed and the strength of Gevora? Which could be a possible interpretation of the title. As in, Lynn: Right, yeah. Luigi: you know, obviously the six being a product of either the union, but you can also look at it as the harmony itself or the relationship or the balance between those two Sephiroth in the tree. and in the suit of ones like you said, Lin, that is interpreted as a victory we have managed to accomplish not total, because I'm Lynn: Yeah. Luigi: afraid of the word total but we have accomplished for lack of better words, total victory Lynn: Yeah. Luigi: over strength and love in harmonizing it and highest, yeah Lynn: Mm or highest in a way. Because if you're saying total we're kind of at the end, right? And and with total we might think that it's the end and this is more like a ten feeling while the six Luigi: Mm. Lynn: is more like in the middle and it's just kind of the it's the peak. It's like the peak of something Luigi: Yeah. Lynn: and then it goes like down d down again, also here again. the tree of life. So Luigi just mentioned that with Gebra and Chesed, the two of them and then we have Tifra in the middle. The sun, yes. Also Mars, Jupiter. Luigi: Yeah, the way that I am making sense of it in my head, it's almost as if you envision Tiffret as a person, as an individual, and the arms, which would be the path, are stretching Lynn: Yes. Luigi: wide and holding Hesed and Gaborah on each hand, basically. And that is the Olympic game, that is the championship, that is the great achievement, that is the parade. In Lynn: Mm. Luigi: this case... in this case particularly in the Six of Wands, in the Tifaretto of Atzeloth, as they call it. Lynn: The realm of the Luigi: Grrrr Lynn: Yeah. We haven't so much gr and r roar in our l latest episodes. We're just not getting over this Leo energy. It's just there. Just wr. Yeah. Thank you. Anything more to add to the the tree of life since we're just the the tree of life in a position and maybe we could talk a bit more about six in general. You like numbers, Luigi? Luigi: I was just thinking the only thing that I wanted to add but it's more of a... I think it's useful to share but it's also a bit of a trippy concept I suppose to some extent so I try and keep it as concise as possible but I'm looking I'm thinking of the number six Lynn: It gets trippy with numbers. I sometimes I just like z the then I listen to it again and then I'm like, Ooh, this is intriguing. Yeah. Go on. Luigi: Yeah. But I'm thinking of the number six. And obviously we have the Decanic rulership of Jupiter. And in a way that is like what I usually refer to the secret code. And by that I mean, if you think outside the box, if you look a bit deeper, that dynamic is the path of the hermit, which we're going to explore in the future. But, you know, that is the relationship between Hasid and Tifret and I point that out because of this mindset and or mantra or teaching or mystery or key if any kind of word that you want to sign to it but the idea is the victory for us as humans as adepts as initiates as practitioners as magicians and shamans all of the titles that you want to think of is to in a way or another, or in many different versions or another, walk the path of the hermit, and that is the victory to unite love and beauty, because if you think about it, the 6 plus 4 gives us 10, as in the 10 emanations of the tree as well. So all of that to say that in the 6 of Wands there is an echo of the destiny of the hermit. And when I say destiny of the hermit, I mean the destiny of every individual that grabs a tarot deck and automatically becomes the hermit, as in automatically becomes the creator of the tarot, aka the alchemist, for lack of better words. Lynn: I feel a little bit like a like the like a weather woman, whatever like I hold this up and I'm like we're here and now we're Luigi: Hahaha Lynn: we're getting slight slight pressure downwards notiferant through the helmet, past the helmet. Luigi: Mm. Lynn: Some strong winds coming in here from Gabra. Luigi: Hahaha Amelie: And then the clouds and then the clouds as well. Lynn: The clouds, yes. Great. we wanna jump into d d there was a question. Do we want to jump into the Thoth Amelie: Mm-hmm. Lynn: the Thoth one and the symbolism there? I mean we just touched upon it in comparison to the hermetic one, but we do have We do have six wands and they're very harmoniously aligned in this very beautiful pattern or harmonious pattern if you like. If you like chaos, you might not like it as much. But we do like chaos. spoiler alert. so we have the two lotus wands and the lotus wands are representative for the like feminine, the the feminine power. The divine feminine, let's put it like the divine feminine. Then we have the Phoenix or Eagle s staffs. Where they the masculine. they should, right? Luigi: Well, I make sense of those symbols on the tip of the wands, like you said, the lotus being the feminine, to me the upper wand, the one that has one of the wands of initiation symbols on top of it, that to me is representative of the fire, whether the lotus would be representative of the water, and the middle symbol, which yes, we know from Crowley's writings that is referred to the Phoenix, but also I see it as a version of Toth, if I can put it that way, and that being representative of the element of air. So you will have like the progression and the scale and the union of again fire, water and air in sequence, very alchemical, know, like sulfur, mercury and salt and whatnot. Lynn: Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There on the the Uraus snakes, I mean they are the Eura the Uraeus are snakes. The winged ones. They're also centering around the sun. Sun symbolism here. Yeah. Luigi: Yeah, rah, hadith. Lynn: yeah. So what the like symbolically what wants to be pointed out as well I think is Both like this th they're a very harmonious way of being lined up of all these like energies. and that all every crossing point we have a flame and we get nine flames in total in this pattern. And these flames are well the way that they're represented is very I keep saying harmonious too much in this episode, but it is kind of whatever. what it is, isn't that? Like they're not the kind of Luigi: The keyword though. Lynn: yeah, they're not like flames the way they're represented, they're not flames that are gonna eat stuff up. They're very well preserved and they're really, you know, pretty and balanced. Luigi: Flames of Enlightenment. Lynn: Flames of Enlightenment. Yeah, it's not in the Ace of Wands, you know, you just have pure fire and you're you know, it's go everywhere. And here's more like this is I guess it's contained, thank you. It's kind of like what Amelie: It's contained. Lynn: humankind, you know, when we found fire, when fire was given to us by the gods, Prometheus and then he suffered for it or like a whichever mummist. Amelie: The giants. Lynn: whatever whatever myth you follow, the God given fire. and then we well not harmona but cultivated it basically and made it safe. And making it safe then gave us a way, gave humanity a way to create civilizations, right? But obviously then ill dignified in a way like this card obviously if you let this fire run wild then instead of it being a harmonious just glow, it can also be a wildfire that eats everything up. So it's just 'cause it's fire at a very high point of the in the six, right? Luigi: Yeah, Lynn: So mm. Luigi: I also love how the geometry that Frida uses creates the one diamond in the center but further divided in four diamonds. So I Lynn: Mm. Mm. Luigi: feel like whenever I think of diamonds, and probably not just me, probably a lot of people feel the same, especially if you read the Crowley's material, the diamond idea goes back to Ketter and Tiferet being the lower emanation of Ketter. And then I guess Lynn: Yeah. Luigi: the number four. One echoes Hesed, as we mentioned before, know, the four of Hesed, the four of Jupiter ruling the Deacon, but also the four, I guess the four worlds, the four elements, the four corners, the four directions and whatnot. So there's an element of equilibrium. And again, we should pay money each time we say this word, harmony, again. Lynn: But you just said equilibrium, which was a new one. So it expresses the similar thing, but it was s slightly it was higher than the harmony word. So let's just use equilibrium for Let's Luigi: Ha ha ha! Lynn: just mix it up. Amelie: Do you know it's a shame that we didn't decide on doing like a shot game. We could have a shot every single time we said harmonious. We'd be so hammered at the end of the show. Luigi: At the next time we explore six, Lynn: Next episode Luigi: it's gonna happen. Amelie: Ha ha Lynn: next okay, we could try we could do this and people will go might see something new that they've never seen before, but for our next one we could try and then whatever word starts coming up often because it's probably not gonna be harmonious for the next one. We just take a shot. So let's have something I Amelie: No. Lynn: I have a fireball whiskey in the kitchen that's actually perfect for once, so Luigi: dear. Lynn: that dear goodness. But then I should not go to work Luigi: We are promoting. Lynn: the next day, I think we should do something do it at the weekend. Amelie: I was just about to say that's not a good episode for a Monday evening. Lynn: Or perfect, I don't know. Luigi: We are promoting wise choices everyone, are promoting safe choices. Drink responsibly. Lynn: Wise choices. yes. I mean I mean, we are adults. Yes, drink responsibly, and all that. Luigi: Don't listen to this episode and then drink while you drive. Please don't do that to us. Lynn: take take us as an example of things that you you shouldn't do necessarily. But whatever. whatever. Okay. colours? Should we go Luigi: Yes. Lynn: into colours? Yes. Luigi: I mean the main one to explore I guess is the purple. Well, for the tough I suppose. Lynn: For the fourth it's the purple, yeah, in the background. It is so pretty. Luigi: Yeah, which connects to... Yeah, which connects obviously to the Azzolutian color of Jupiter, but also the Briatic color of the path itself, so that's a win-win there. Lynn: Mm-hmm. It's a win win. Shot. Luigi: Hahaha Lynn: No, just remember you said that, in the last episode, I think, or in one of the last episodes as well. Luigi: Yeah, Amelie: the golden dawn one has the red in the background, but I think what they talk about Lynn: Mm. Amelie: is mainly the pink which Lynn: Mm. Amelie: is the Luigi: Yeah. Amelie: mix of red and white Lynn: Mm. Luigi: Yeah, I'm pinker. Amelie: so the active part and then the divine part. Lynn: Hm. Luigi: Yeah, and pink also being the, I think it's the absolute color of Tiferet as well. Amelie: Mm-hmm. Yes. Lynn: N S D and the probably Luigi: And then I think. Lynn: the green angelic hems again, right? Angel hands. Yes. Amelie: Goblin hands. Luigi: Yeah. And now, and again with the red, we have, I mean, we got the Element of Fire, we've got the red of Gheborah, which the Path of the Strength card connects to, or the last card connects to. But yeah, the green is interesting because there is a lot, but we talked about the green, isn't it? We talked about the green lion of Alchemy, like nature being Lynn: Yes. Luigi: untamed and then consumed Lynn: Yeah. Luigi: into the red lion where nature has been tamed. Lynn: Yes. We did that we did that and when we talked about the five of one so we can check Luigi: Mm. Lynn: out the episode if you haven't yet. Amelie: What I like about this card when you look at it, 'cause obviously you're thinking, this is a six of wands, so you're looking at the wands. But if you're looking at the the negative as in like Lynn: Yeah. Amelie: look at the background because it has kind of this splodginess around where the the pink is. So it almost Lynn: Mm. My eyes are drawn to that. My eyes are drawn to the negative space because there's just so much red that it kind of swallows everything. So I'm Amelie: Yeah, yeah. Lynn: seeing the green and I'm seeing the yellow and I'm seeing the pink popping out from Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: a red matrix. Like when I just look at the color. So the red kind of goes into the background in my vision. Mmm. Amelie: Yeah. Exactly. I I I find that really interesting and then Lynn: Mm. Amelie: the the thumbs here as well. They're kind of like you get that tri yeah, Luigi: the magical triangle. Amelie: triangle there with the Lynn: This Amelie: almost like this red in the middle. It just Lynn: not anatomically it's not anatomically very Luigi: achievable. Lynn: very it's achievable but and then you hold and then you hold six Amelie: It's because they're goblin hands. Lynn: staffs in here. It's not a very comfortable position but it's alright. Angels can do what they want or goblins. Luigi: It's nice though, because it's got a triangle within the diamond within the triangle. That's really cute actually to observe. Lynn: Yes, of the fire. Hmm. Luigi: Yeah, and I think the triangle is Amelie: Yeah, and then Lynn: Yeah, interesting. Luigi: a magical symbol for Kuth. So in a way, having the triangle and the diamond within brings up that whole beautiful conversation and teaching and revelation of the light within and without, the body within and without, the esa-bassa below as we know very well. Lynn: So much triangle symbolism though, like. Amelie: Yeah, I mean triangles seems to be the thing, right? Lynn: it's a thing. I mean all the elements are depicted by triangles. Right. Whoever who made Luigi: Yeah. Lynn: that do do you guys know who made up the the system with the triangle? Luigi: I'm assuming alchemists... I'm assuming alchemists of that... Don't quote me. Or maybe an Arabic... Yeah. Lynn: I'm asking this, I don't know. Yes. An old an old white guy probably, but maybe not. Maybe it was an maybe it was an Arab. Yeah, maybe an Arabic person 'cause they they did a lot of that a lot of that stuff. Luigi: Yeah, yeah, because I mean not to get too political but there's lots of notions about us allegedly stealing Lynn: Yeah. Luigi: all the alchemical traditions from the east and whatnot. For another episode, for another panel. Lynn: Mm, mm. For another episode. Amelie: Do you know what I literally just thought about just now? Lynn: Hmm. Hmm. Luigi: Mm-hmm. Amelie: I should have thought about this way earlier, but my brain is very slow. green is the colour of Osiris. Isn't it? And so Luigi: It is? Yeah. It's skin. Lynn: Osiris, yeah. Hmm. Hm. Amelie: I'm not saying Lynn: The green man. Amelie: they're all but you know, it it makes sense to me if they're these are hands of Osiris. Maybe not for the Golden Lynn: Mm. Amelie: Dawn, but it makes it makes sense with Thoth, but this is not Thoth. Lynn: thought. Yeah. But I Luigi: Well no no no no, Lynn: mean Crowley w was writing on it, right? Hm. Luigi: you're on the right track though, cause yeah, and one of the deities, if you use schematic tradition, the deity attached to Tiferet is actually Osiris. Amelie: So it makes sense. Lynn: Bum bum. Amelie: But then again, you know, the the the Luigi: Dun dun duuuun! Lynn: Mm-hmm. Amelie: green goblin hands are like on every single yeah, they're on in every single fire card. Lynn: One? Hmm. Luigi: think another thing to keep in mind when it comes to... because it's interesting to observe that all the hands are a particular color, you know, in each kingdom. So like, I think in the caps he was mostly orange, and then in the ones like we said it's green, I forgot what he was in the discs or pentacles and what he was in the swords. Amelie: Yeah the cups have the orange hands Luigi: Hmm. Amelie: and then the swords have blue hands Luigi: Mm-hmm. Amelie: and then the pentacles have white white hands. Luigi: So guess when it comes to the white hands and the pentacles, I mean there's probably more than one explanation, but the first thing that comes to mind is again, pentacles being attached to matter versus the white being attached to spirit. The green being attached to earth versus the fire kingdom being attached to spirit. So it's always with that balance of what is the opposing energy that needs to be again harmonized and whatnot. But also green and orange, particularly for the cups and the wands. So green would be a colour for Netsak, which is ruled by fire, and orange would be a colour for Hode, which is ruled by water. So that's another thing that comes to mind. I'm Lynn: Mm. Luigi: trying to spin my head around the blue for the swords. And the only thing that comes to mind is that... the element of air rules Yesod, which is ruled by the moon, which is attached to water, which is the color blue, but there's probably more to it. Amelie: It's the colour blue, it's like it's like an indigo blue, so it's like a very deep kind of indigo blue. Mm. Luigi: Or if it's indigo, that can relate to the lunar forces of Yeso, then, in that case. Amelie: Mm. Luigi: And I'm checking, let me check if white is... Let's see... Amelie: I'm trying to actually see if they explain the colour like colour by colour but I can't really see. Can't really find it right now. Luigi: whenever you need it. So yeah, if it's indigo, Amelie: Exactly, exactly. Luigi: that's perfect, because if it's indigo, it's definitely the Atheluthian color for Yesod, for the sword suit in that deck. For the white, I was looking for the color scales, but yeah, the only white references are mostly around Kettah. There is some white reference in some of the Asiatic pups, but... but they're mixed with other colors as well. So yeah, until we find out more or until we reflect more, I will go with that, you know, for everybody who's been Amelie: so Luigi: yearning to have an answer, or the closest thing to an answer. Amelie: it says that the Golden Dawn uses describes the elemental na nature of the suit, which is like fire is red and water is blue and then but it says something that the flashing colors are given. So you have fire is red and green because they're like opposite each other. Luigi: yeah, mean, fire and... Amelie: so f so f so red and green, then water would be blue and orange, and air Luigi: yeah, cuz... Amelie: is yellow and violet, and then earth is black Luigi: Yeah, and that's... Amelie: and white. Luigi: Yeah, and that's... So, like, when you look again at the tree, so you go in diagonal position, you go Gabor on this side, and then you go Netsack on the other side, versus the blue of Hesed, and the orange of... What's he called? Yeah, Ho, the apologies. And then you said that you had the yellow versus the violet. yeah so that would be that would be yes or no different and then white and black will be Malcooth and Cather. Amelie: Yeah. I mean it kind of makes sense. It's just so many layers. You just have to like remember all these layers, right? Luigi: Mm-hmm. Lynn: Yeah, it makes so much sense with the the opposition colours actually. Luigi: As always, the tree gives an answer to everything. Lynn: Mm-hmm. All right. Color theory. Shall we do we have to talk more about the Smith? Luigi: color theories, color mysteries. Lynn: I feel we we basically just brushed it, but I mean it's very It's just I feel as it's very in your face it's Luigi: I mean the green theme comes back. Lynn: very direct, right? Yeah. Luigi: Mm-hmm. Lynn: Is it the triumph it's just the triumph procession. And I guess we could talk about the colours we're seeing because we're seeing a lot of green in this one. And then the victory laurels and there's more victory laurels and people just you Luigi: Mm-hmm. Lynn: know it's a triumph process procession, that's what it is. It's very difficult to interpret everything anything else, yeah. Amelie: This horse is like Yeah, this this horse is wearing such big cloth. It covers Lynn: Yeah. Amelie: the whole horse and then some. It's like the horse Lynn: And then some Amelie: yeah, the horse is like drowning in this cloth, it feels like. Lynn: You don't know if there's stuff un maybe it's a Trojan horse and there's actually people under it that are being smuggled into the procession. It's the lute. Amelie: Maybe it's the loot, maybe it's his loot that he's won. Lynn: Yeah. Luigi: And maybe that's what happens in the Seven of Wands, they are defending themselves against the Greeks, they have entered Troy. Lynn: Yes. Maybe yes. Amelie: Yes. Maybe maybe this is the the little tent they sneak into under Lynn: Yeah, that that is that could be. Amelie: the Lynn: I'm not sh I don't recall, I don't think I mentioned with when I was ranting about the triumph processions through Rome, and that not necessarily the military leaders not necessarily being good men, just blah blah blah because I have to put this back up. But the thing that you also did in these triumph processions, other than you going and woohoo, I won, right? And people being like, Woohoo, you're amazing you also showed off what you won. Right. So you would have all the things that you stole one, like the silver and the gold, the Amelie: The severed head of your enemy. Lynn: severed head, the slaves, 'cause Romans were they were really big on slaves as well, like I mean all the big empires are and were, right? But they would sh show off the slaves and all the other things that they meant that they got. So that that is all that's not depicted in these card in this card, but that is what is assumed. is coming after here. The people in chains and the gold that they've won. Fair and square Yes. Amelie: Have a look at this dude at the end here. Have a look at this dude at the at the very end there. He looks super jealous. He's like What? He's like super jealous. He's like actually Lynn: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's like yeah. It could be rev if you're on the good side, you could think like he looks reverent, but he looks pissed as you on the other he looks kinda pissed. Amelie: It's like Luigi: I was there too. Amelie: Exactly. I was there. Lynn: Yes. Amelie: I I I made this happen, but you took over. Like you took the glory. Yeah, show off. Lynn: Hmm. And you getting all the chicks and leads and the glory. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Luigi: Show off. Lynn: Or maybe next time it's gonna be me. I'm gonna murder you in your sleep. Ten of ten of swords. And then so many images, Amelie: Maybe he's the one that steals the loot. In the Luigi: this is getting dark. Lynn: so many ideas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe Maybe it's gonna maybe Amelie: It's like Lynn: it's gonna be the guy from the Seven of Swords. You know, he's like fed Amelie: Exactly. Lynn: up. fed up with his leader taking all the glory, it's like I'm just gonna steal all the swords so that he cannot do this anymore. Amelie: Exactly. Maybe this is the card that is the negative card of the bad person and the Seven of Wands actually is a depiction of the good person that is trying to just to do justice to their people. But we just don't know it because it looks it's like, you know, how you only have a picture. But if you zoom out, if you know the whole picture, then the story becomes completely different. Luigi: It sounds like the plot Lynn: Yeah. Luigi: of Maleficent. Lynn: And who doesn't love Maleficent? I mean Amelie: Ha ha ha ha. Luigi: She is a comic. Amelie: This is this is why it's so nice to have the Smith Tech because like we said from the very start, it's very theatrical and your mind can really go from Luigi: and travel. Amelie: it yeah, from one story to another. Lynn: Yeah, that's fun, right? It's an associations. That's that's fun. And I've never noticed this this guy looking like glum or or jealous before, so now I'm gonna notice this. So mm hm Yeah. Amelie: That's the thing, when you notice one thing, it's the only thing you can see for a while. Lynn: Maybe for a good reason. Luigi: It's definitely reassuring though, as a card. I feel like whether I get it for a client or for myself, I always feel not relieved, you know, charged, motivated, reassured. It gives me an extra boost, not just of adrenaline, but of self-confidence, especially Lynn: Mm. Luigi: because I work a lot with the guides to sustain me through my magole work. So like, please protect me while I'm exposed to the... to the community and to the society at large. And if I have the 601s, it gives me more courage to face the week, or life in general. Lynn: Yeah, yeah, that's good. I mean what it also does what it also does when you are when you are the victor in a way, it kind of exposes who you are. Like if you because when you are at the top, right, then you really see Luigi: Mm-hmm. Lynn: how a person actually is. Because if a good person and you have all the power, even if it's just for a day, what are you doing with that? it really shows. Yeah, are you actually, you know, are you going to just celebrate and have fun with your friends, say, or, you know, give to the poor or whatnot? Are you a person like that or are you just going to have fun with your newly acquired slaves and you know Luigi: show your true colors. Lynn: yeah, you show kind of you show your true colours when you like at the top. So that that is also in that in that Amelie: I had to have a look at his face. Lynn: Mm-hmm. Amelie: In the seventh. He looks similarly pissed off, so it might be this dude. Yeah. And I'm looking at the seventh here because he maybe he's trying to stab him. So I'm like, ooh. Lynn: And the seven of swords? Yes. and the seven of wands. Yes. Amelie: no. I had the swords here as well. No, I don't. That is a funny story that is. I have t I have to stop making up stories. Lynn: Mm. Never stuff. Okay. Any any other any more comments? you something you have on your heart you want to share about the Six of Wands? Luigi: think embrace it, embrace the 601s in your heart for whoever is listening, because I feel like me first and foremost, I keep jump off the horse, so speaking, even before I Lynn: Mm. Luigi: begin, out of, you know, whether it's out of fear, doubt, lack of self-confidence and whatnot. And I think this card truly is a reminder of go at it, you know, say yes, jump in or off depending what the situation is. He puts the individual back at the center of the stage. He puts the individual back on the driver's seat. It's like the guardian. All the cards are guardians, or emanations of guardians, but this one in particular is the cheerleading one. It's the encouraging one. It's the cheering crowd. Yeah, definitely. Because Taro in itself, life in itself, both very complicated spheres of existence and terms, it's nice to have something like the 601s in the formula, in the mix, on the journey. Lynn: I think I mean it brings up this the conversation about courage again with all the the Liu I think. But we just with the five just having this courage to to actually step out and show yourself, like for just the decanic energies. And now for the sixes, even like you also some people also need a certain courage to actually step out there and be celebrated. 'Cause it this is about being very visible. You know, and there's people who who struggle with being visible. They don't want to have all the attention on them. 'Cause this is glorifying having the attention on you. This is like, you know, this person feels good having all the attention. And some people might struggle with having this energy around them because they might just not want to be seen, they might want to hide, they might not, you know, want the eyes on them. So there there's a certain well, courage, but also there's other underlying factors. that need to be in place in order to actually be able to step into this energy and and feel all this glory. But it's I think one like that the courage to to own it, to own yourself, to own your well endeavours or whatever you you victories in life that you don't just yeah, you know, not not just playing it down. Some people just, you it's like, yeah, I did it, but you know, it's nothing big. You know, and sometimes it's fine and very encouraged to just be like, Yes, I did that. That is mine, that is my accomplishment. Boom. Luigi: Exactly. Mic drop. Lynn: bum. And sometimes you shouldn't. But you know, it's like But this card is Amelie: I Lynn: kind of more like, you know, you know, show show off or you know. Amelie: I'd say also yeah. It's cool, show off and have your victory, but also be careful what the victory is for and what you're done because you are very I mean, it's very easy for anyone to come and stab him, kill him, shoot him. You have to you have to have a little bit of humbleness to to it all as well. Or maybe this is why he has the the wand up here. It's like a decoy. If somebody wants to shoot him, they might think this is his head. No. Lynn: Too bad, the laurels. Yeah, I mean if there's a victor then there's a loser, right? And Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: yeah. It's both sides. Amelie: Exposed. He's exposed, Luigi: It's a circle of life. Amelie: but he's got the courage to be exposed. Lynn: Okay. Luigi: 100%. Amelie: even the horse is like, who the hell do you think you are? I'm a winner. Luigi: the anchor of humility. Lynn: Or it's just it could also be Yeah, or it's just very proud, like look at me. Maybe it's also a spoil Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: of war, you know, like with the curved head looks called maybe some aeropores, you know, not a original Roman. I don't know. Amelie: Yeah. Lynn: Okay, well thanks for the episode once again. This has been a lot of fun. Luigi: Thank you. Lynn: Yeah, this then Woo! Jupiter energy I guess is bam bam bam. So yeah. thanks for tonight. Luigi: may be contagious. Lynn: It might be contagious. Again, like subscribe. follow for more. And if you haven't looked at the Five of Ones episode or the other ones we've done, just find them in find them in the menu and check them out. And see you again in the next one. We cover the seven of wands. Good night everybody you bless it be. Luigi: Bye, bless you, B.