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372. Don't Call It A Comeback: Keira D’Amato On Becoming An Author & Stepping Into Her Power On The Run & In Life · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: Hold on for the ride.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna get a little bumpy, but you have what
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  Speaker 2: it takes to move through it. Everything you need is
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  Speaker 2: inside of you.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on everyone?
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  Speaker 4: Emily Abadi here popping into your feed on a Wednesday
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  Speaker 4: with an extra special episode of Hurdle. For today's conversation,
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  Speaker 4: I am bringing you my chat with the woman of
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  Speaker 4: the week. I'm talking about Kira Demato. She's a pro
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  Speaker 4: runner and now a new author. Her book Don't Call
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  Speaker 4: It a Comeback. What happened when I stopped chasing prs
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  Speaker 4: and started chasing Happiness hits bookshelves this week and for
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  Speaker 4: today's episode, we.
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  Speaker 3: Are chatting all about it.
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  Speaker 4: She talks to me about what it was like to
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  Speaker 4: work on this book with her co author Evelyn Spence,
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  Speaker 4: and how it felt revisiting so many of the highs
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  Speaker 4: and the lows from her professional running career. A lot
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  Speaker 4: of this book is focused on what is often called
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  Speaker 4: Kira's comeback, her success as a pro since having her children,
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  Speaker 4: getting back to running when she was in her early thirties,
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  Speaker 4: in her words, out of shape and battling postpartum depression.
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  Speaker 4: She tells me how she felt about prioritizing herself early
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  Speaker 4: on with young kids a spoiler, it was really difficult,
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  Speaker 4: and how she navigated the guilt that came hand in
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  Speaker 4: hand with that. Fast forward, six years after getting back
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  Speaker 4: on the roads, Kira broke the American woman's record in
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  Speaker 4: the marathon at age thirty seven, and while the rest
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  Speaker 4: is history. Today Kira tells me that she's just getting started,
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  Speaker 4: that she still feels like she has so much more
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  Speaker 4: in the tank, and we talk about what that looks like,
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  Speaker 4: what her training looks like these days in Utah, and
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  Speaker 4: what she's looking forward to at this fall and beyond.
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  Speaker 4: Keeping this intro short and sweet, but make sure your
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  Speaker 4: falling along with the show. Over on social It's at
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  Speaker 4: Hurdle Podcast and I am over at Emily a Body again.
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  Speaker 4: The book is called Don't call It a Comeback. I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna link it in the show notes. I read it,
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  Speaker 4: I loved it, and I'm so excited for all of
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  Speaker 4: you to get your hands on it. With that, let's
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  Speaker 4: get to it, let's get to hurdling. Today, I am
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  Speaker 4: sitting down with Kira Dematto. She is the former American
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  Speaker 4: record holder in the marathon and the half marathon, a
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  Speaker 4: pro runner with Nike Welcome to hurdle, Kira.
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  Speaker 3: How are we doing?
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  Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm happy to be here. I've told you already.
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  Speaker 2: I've been working hard today and I've been nice to people,
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  Speaker 2: so I feel like, check and check, I'm having a.
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  Speaker 3: Good day, having a good day. I have to ask you,
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  Speaker 3: let's level set here. How are we doing? Really?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing good, Like if I am. The past year
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  Speaker 2: has been pretty tough for me, but I am doing
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  Speaker 2: better every week, every month, every yeah, every quarter. So
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I've worked hard to get to myself
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  Speaker 2: to a good spot this year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. If that's not relatable, I don't know it is.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like it's been tough with just the world
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  Speaker 4: gestures loosely if you're not watching. But beyond that personally professionally,
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  Speaker 4: what do you think is the hardest part for.
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  Speaker 3: You right now?
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  Speaker 2: Probably personally, Yeah, I've gone through some struggles in the
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  Speaker 2: last year, But then that's also been tied with you know,
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  Speaker 2: last year at Chicago, I broke my foot in two places,
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  Speaker 2: So having to take like over three months off for
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  Speaker 2: that and picking myself back up and getting into like
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  Speaker 2: a good routine again.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel like just in the last.
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  Speaker 2: Probably two or three months, things are really starting to
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  Speaker 2: click again, and that's real exciting, but it's it's hard,
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  Speaker 2: like you have to be really patient, you have to
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  Speaker 2: show yourself a lot of grace, and just getting to
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  Speaker 2: the point where it is clicking and clicking again, I
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  Speaker 2: think takes like the most strength, the most courage. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm proud of myself for working through that. And now
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  Speaker 2: I'm on a point where it's starting to feel like real, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: really exciting again because I'm like, Okay, here's back and
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  Speaker 2: she's fit.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see what happens.
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  Speaker 4: And it couldn't be better timing because not only is
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  Speaker 4: Kira the person back, but Kira's coming out with a book.
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  Speaker 2: I recently, I went to a librarian conference and they
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  Speaker 2: gave me a pin that says I'm an author, and
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  Speaker 2: that like blew my mind, Like I've never been called
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  Speaker 2: an author before, and that was the first time that
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  Speaker 2: I kind of merged the fact that I've written a
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  Speaker 2: book and that I'm an author together and it was
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  Speaker 2: like I still have that pin.
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  Speaker 1: It's a really sweet.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry librarian conference.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I okay, there's official name that I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to blank on it, but I've been calling it Librarians
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  Speaker 2: of the World Unite that all like librarians from all
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  Speaker 2: over the world came to Philly and they check out,
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  Speaker 2: like all the publishers what they have coming out, and
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  Speaker 2: so they get to meet different authors. And I gave
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  Speaker 2: a talk on my memoir and everything, so that was
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  Speaker 2: really really cool.
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  Speaker 1: But I love libraries.
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  Speaker 2: I love librarians, And I think my favorite thing about
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  Speaker 2: that conference is like I had a really cute outfit
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  Speaker 2: picked out, but I wanted to wear like my Nike shoes,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, like, I probably should wear
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  Speaker 2: heels with this, but who am I kidding? Like I
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  Speaker 2: need to protect my feet. I'm wearing Nike shoes. And
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  Speaker 2: I look around the conference. Everyone was so cute with
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  Speaker 2: sensible shoes, and I'm like, these are my people, like
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  Speaker 2: librarians are my people.
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  Speaker 1: And it was great.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't like overly rambunctious like it was so it
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  Speaker 2: was so funny.
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  Speaker 4: How are you feeling now that pubdate is finally here?
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  Speaker 2: Like a mix of excited and nervous and vulnerable and proud,
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  Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of emotions Like I just this
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  Speaker 2: week they sent me like.
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  Speaker 1: The final version and I unboxed it and I like.
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  Speaker 2: Held it in my hands and I was so emotional,
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  Speaker 2: like I am so proud of this book.
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  Speaker 1: I put everything into this book. Book. I think this
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  Speaker 1: book like tells.
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  Speaker 2: My story and it kind of puts like a lot
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  Speaker 2: of color into my like you know, don't call to
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  Speaker 2: come back, come back, but I don't know. It also
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  Speaker 2: just has like a lot of personal things. So it's
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  Speaker 2: and I just I hope it can help people. I
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  Speaker 2: hope it can inspire people. I hope people laugh at
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  Speaker 2: me and hopefully with me a little bit. And then
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  Speaker 2: maybe it's going to bring up some tears. Like I
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  Speaker 2: cry like a handful of times in the book. Like
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  Speaker 2: I think in the first chapter I cry twice, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't even I've cried twice already in
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  Speaker 2: the book, or maybe the prologue I cry. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: the book hasn't even started and I'm already crying, Like what,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not even a cry Like I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I'm an emotional person, but I'm not like your typical
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  Speaker 1: like cry or crier. But I cry a lot in
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  Speaker 1: the book.
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  Speaker 3: So feeling your feelings is cool, Kiara, it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, And I think Yeah, I felt all
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  Speaker 2: the feelings throughout the book so well.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so excited I've read it.
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  Speaker 4: I am also in my feelings over this because it's
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  Speaker 4: so much great context to what so many of us
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  Speaker 4: were watching you do in this.
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  Speaker 3: Don't call it a comeback, comeback moment.
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  Speaker 4: I want to start off here with what you say
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  Speaker 4: that your mission is in the book. Her mission, as
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  Speaker 4: you write, is to encourage others, especially mothers, to take
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  Speaker 4: their unfinished business off the back burner and get after
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  Speaker 4: it when you got back to running. Was there a
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  Speaker 4: specific goal or a specific item of unfinished business that.
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  Speaker 3: You were really zeroing in on.
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  Speaker 1: At first?
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  Speaker 2: No, Like I didn't have the confidence to set a
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  Speaker 2: goal other than for like mental and physical wellness, to
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  Speaker 2: be part of community.
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  Speaker 1: To do something for me.
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  Speaker 2: So like at first, no, but once like mom Kira
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  Speaker 2: started kicking college Cure's foot, and all that unfinished business
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  Speaker 2: came back. It was to win a national title, it
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  Speaker 2: was to compete for Team USA. It was to make
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  Speaker 2: an Olympic team and maybe set some sort of record.
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  Speaker 1: Those were kind of like the.
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  Speaker 2: Finished business, and yeah, I accomplished a lot of them,
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  Speaker 2: which kind of blows my mind.
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  Speaker 3: Accomplished a lot of them.
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  Speaker 4: When you say that sentence, is it mostly rooted in
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  Speaker 4: positivity at this point, or do you have what kind
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  Speaker 4: of feelings do you have about the ones that you
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  Speaker 4: haven't accomplished.
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  Speaker 2: I am actually very surprised that I can say I
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  Speaker 2: accomplished a lot of them, because for like over ten
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  Speaker 2: years in my life, I was resolved that I was never.
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  Speaker 1: Going to be elite again.
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  Speaker 2: I was never going to find the joy in running again,
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  Speaker 2: like there was I said goodbye and.
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  Speaker 1: I mourned the loss of all those goals already.
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  Speaker 2: So like I feel like I already accepted that those
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  Speaker 2: would not happen for me.
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  Speaker 1: So the fact that I can say I hit.
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  Speaker 2: Almost all of them, like is an extreme Like I'm
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  Speaker 2: extremely proud to be able to.
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  Speaker 1: Say that, And yeah, I didn't hit all my goals,
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  Speaker 1: but like who does, Yeah, Like it's kind of yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah I have.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really proud of how far I've come, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: proud that I was able to get this like second
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  Speaker 2: life and this like second chance to go after yeah
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  Speaker 2: that unfinished business.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Now, of course we'll get into some other good things
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  Speaker 4: about you on the run in just a little bit,
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  Speaker 4: But I do want to talk about the writing process.
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  Speaker 4: It's crazy and difficult and intricate to write a book,
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  Speaker 4: regardless of what else.
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  Speaker 3: You may have going on in your life.
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  Speaker 4: But I would imagine while chasing some of these big, scary,
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  Speaker 4: Harry audacious goals, it's extremely challenging. So what was the
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  Speaker 4: book writing process like for you as a new author?
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  Speaker 1: It was incredible. I was really lucky.
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  Speaker 2: I teamed up with a woman, Evelyn Spence, so she
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  Speaker 2: was like my co writer, and I feel like we
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  Speaker 2: got along really well. Like when I first started interviewing her,
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  Speaker 2: I told her that I've always like she did most
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  Speaker 2: of the writing, like it was my words, and then
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  Speaker 2: she somehow like her wizardry, like put it into like
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  Speaker 2: a story form, which still blows my mind. But when
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  Speaker 2: I first started interviewing her, I was saying that I've
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  Speaker 2: always been like gotten lower grades on English because I've
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  Speaker 2: always been critique that I write the way that I talk,
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  Speaker 2: and I guess you're not supposed to do that, but I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know how else to write.
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  Speaker 2: So when I interviewed her, I was like, I've always
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  Speaker 2: been critiqued for this, but I still want this book
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  Speaker 2: to feel very conversational, like I want this book to
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  Speaker 2: feel like you're on a long run with me, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like telling you a story for a long run.
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  Speaker 2: So I really wanted it to feel like, I like,
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  Speaker 2: not in a creepy way, but I'm like in your
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  Speaker 2: house with you, just having like a chat. And I
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  Speaker 2: feel like she did such a good job with that.
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  Speaker 2: But so we kicked it off and she came out
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  Speaker 2: to Richmond. We spent like forty eight plus hours of
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  Speaker 2: me just talking at her and she just listened. And
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  Speaker 2: then I was like, Okay, I got to go for
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  Speaker 2: a run, so hop on a bike and we can
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  Speaker 2: keep we can keep this talking at you. And then
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  Speaker 2: we talked probably two or three times a week for
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  Speaker 2: at least an hour for close to a year, and
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  Speaker 2: we kind of broke it up. Like I knew what
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  Speaker 2: I wanted the theme of the book to be, and
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  Speaker 2: I knew how I wanted the book to make people feel,
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  Speaker 2: and I knew the lessons that I wanted to share
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  Speaker 2: that I've learned kind of the hard way that hopefully
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  Speaker 2: people can see that I've learned the hard way, learn
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  Speaker 2: it learned it a little easier. But so we kind
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  Speaker 2: of broke it up chapter by chapter, and I'd tell her, like,
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  Speaker 2: all the stories they kind of fit that lesson and
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  Speaker 2: it kind of moves my path forward. And then she
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  Speaker 2: would put it on paper and I'd read it and say, yes,
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  Speaker 2: like I can't believe you said that so articulately, or
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't think this word is the right
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  Speaker 2: one to describe what I was feeling, or so it
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  Speaker 2: was a very like collaborative and very like cyclic process.
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  Speaker 2: And then i'd say, you know, we talked about the
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  Speaker 2: song Dynamite in the first chapter, and I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: a little digression here. I've once won a radio contest
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  Speaker 2: but calling it and naming the artists, so like we'd
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  Speaker 2: add in those little flavors to that too.
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  Speaker 1: But so it was really fun.
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  Speaker 2: It like it was a really great reflection of how
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  Speaker 2: far I've come, like where I started from, and just yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the lessons.
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  Speaker 1: Learned along the way. So I really enjoyed the process.
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  Speaker 4: It sounds as though it was a lot of time
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  Speaker 4: to your point to reflect on everything that you've been through.
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  Speaker 3: And what I find so.
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  Speaker 4: Interesting about memoirs is that they're such a there's an
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  Speaker 4: attention to detail or like a recall of information quotes,
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  Speaker 4: et cetera. That I'm like, do I have the worst
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  Speaker 4: memory possible? Because I remember nothing of my life with
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  Speaker 4: this attention to detail.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny because I have a really terrible.
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  Speaker 2: Memory, but the stories that I tell are like really
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  Speaker 2: formative stories. So even if like that one sentence isn't
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  Speaker 2: exactly right, the theme, the theme is there. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like there's one point where I say, like I was
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  Speaker 2: this was probably six or seven years ago.
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  Speaker 1: I was out for dinner and I mentioned.
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  Speaker 2: Like what I had that I ordered Brussels sprouts, And
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  Speaker 2: then I say, like, it's not important, like what I ordered,
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  Speaker 2: but it is important. I can't believe what I remember, Like,
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe I remembered what I ordered that night.
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  Speaker 1: So to me, that's that's funny. But then it's cool
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  Speaker 1: too because I think.
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  Speaker 2: Through like Instagram and through like Strava and through different
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  Speaker 2: places where I've journaled of sorts, that it's helped fill
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  Speaker 2: in those stories too with direct quotes or how I
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  Speaker 2: was feeling at the time. So I think just being
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  Speaker 2: able to recall in that way was really cool too.
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  Speaker 4: Was there a most difficult moment for you to recount
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  Speaker 4: or process with Evelyn?
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  Speaker 3: As you were working on this book.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.
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  Speaker 2: I mean one of the hardest things that I went
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  Speaker 2: through is when I had a zero and one year
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  Speaker 2: old and my husband at the time was deployed, so
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  Speaker 2: he was gone for well over a year, and we
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  Speaker 2: knew for when he signed up for the Guard that
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  Speaker 2: it could be up to six weeks, and then like
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  Speaker 2: six weeks turned into six months plus a month on
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  Speaker 2: either side, plus a four month training plus this other
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  Speaker 2: month here in San Anto, So it turned from six
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  Speaker 2: weeks of him being gone to well over a year.
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  Speaker 2: So I was at home with a zero and a
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  Speaker 2: one year old, and I really struggled, and that like
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  Speaker 2: I held on to a lot of resentment because it
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  Speaker 2: was voluntary, and so I think that like talking through
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  Speaker 2: that was really difficult, and it was a really hard
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  Speaker 2: time and just especially after having kids and just I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, I was treading water at the time, So
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  Speaker 2: going back to that period was really hard. But I
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  Speaker 2: think kind of knowing that period, that's when I started running,
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  Speaker 2: and that's why I needed running so desperately in my life.
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  Speaker 2: Was for something for me, was to get out of
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  Speaker 2: the house for just a little bit, was to move
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  Speaker 2: my body because I was just exhausted, and it turned
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  Speaker 2: out for me, like not sleeping a lot and just
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  Speaker 2: being on call with two young babies, doing something physically
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  Speaker 2: exhausting actually was giving me energy. So I was combating
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  Speaker 2: the emotional exhaustion with some physical activity. So like, I
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  Speaker 2: put running back into my life to heal myself then
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  Speaker 2: and to give me confidence and to give me something
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  Speaker 2: to work towards. And so I feel like you need
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  Speaker 2: to like understand what state of mind I was in,
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  Speaker 2: to understand like what running meant to me and why
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  Speaker 2: I put it.
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  Speaker 1: Back into my life.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And so when you speak about running, you can
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  Speaker 4: like clearly hear in your voice just how meaningful it
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  Speaker 4: is for you, which then brings me back to you
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  Speaker 4: talking about breaking your foot in two places in Chicago
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  Speaker 4: and having to take a step back from this sport,
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  Speaker 4: knowing that you also had a very difficult year over
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  Speaker 4: the last year. Would you say that this injury was
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  Speaker 4: kind of the catalyst for what you felt like was
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  Speaker 4: a really tough moment.
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  Speaker 2: I think the injury was my body telling me what
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  Speaker 2: I was going through.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that like overall, I was.
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  Speaker 2: Stressed and I was dealing with too much, and I
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  Speaker 2: think my body like gave out on me. And I
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  Speaker 2: mean maybe that's frue through or maybe that there's like
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  Speaker 2: something to that, but I think my body was a
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  Speaker 2: direct reflection of like it just was hard and I
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  Speaker 2: needed to take a step.
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  Speaker 1: Back and recover.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, to your point, like when my parents got divorced,
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  Speaker 2: I used running to heal myself, you know, when, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: when I was having a really hard time with two
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: young kids at home, I used running, like like in
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: a very therapeutic way. So it's tough where you're going
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: through something hard and you don't have you know that,
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: but you kind of For me, I looked like I
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: did a lot of cross training and I just kept reflecting,
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: like Okay.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: How can I make sure I never get back here again?
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: And I was so lucky too that like now joining
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: this team and working out with like the pro team
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: at BYU under coach ed Eystone.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: There were so many teammates too that could see.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: That I just needed another hand and like literally vigoredly
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: would like lift me up and like help me keep
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: going through everything. So it like I'm really lucky to
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: be in a place like that.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: So beyond the cross training, what else would you say,
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: has been an outlet for you over the past year.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Cross training for sure, and then just connecting with like
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: friends and family. I think like I lean on people
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: a lot, and like especially my mom, just like I
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: called her a lot, I needed her a lot this
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: last year.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I'd family come out and visit and just help with everything.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: And then like, I mean for me too, I should
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: I should have start out this way. Just throwing everything
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: into my kids is such a gift too, that like,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: and I can like just so focus on them and
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: making sure that they have what they need and I'm
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: the best mother for them, and just like doing everything
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: I can to be the best mom I can is
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: a really just incredible way to like, you know, put
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: my focus.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Talk to me about how you're feeling in the mountains, Kira.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I love the mountains. I love the mountains, Emily, so
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: my whole life. People have asked like, are you a
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: beach or mountain person? And I've always like, I've been
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: like mountains, you know, because I hear the way people
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: talk about the beach that it centers them and it
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: calls to them, and they're like, you know, there's some
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: sort of gravity that pulls them to the beach and
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I think the beach is cool, but like I don't
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: feel that way about the beach. And then I move
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: to the mountains and I feel that way about the
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: mountains that people have described about the beach, like it
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: centers me, like I could be having like you know,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: just like an okay run, and I look up and
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: see like the mountain range and like life is good.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: This is like look how beautiful this is.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: I think my kids are annoyed now because every time
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: we turn on this one road, I'm like, look at
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: this view and they're like you've literally said that a
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: hundred times at this exact location.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Like we get it. This new is.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Incredible, but like I'm just constantly my breath is taken
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: away by just like how majestic it is.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: And it just reminds you too.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: For whatever reason, it puts things into perspective that like
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: we're so small, you know, and these problems are like
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: are okay, you know, Like I don't know, I don't.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Know, No, I can totally relate to that.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: Sometimes it's like we're so caught up in our own
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: stuff that's going on that we like have a hard
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: time zooming out.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: But when you have this.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: Phenomenal backdrop in your every single day. It makes it
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: a little bit easier to like come to terms with
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: all right, it's not that serious.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then it's like when you're like faced with
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: all that beauty, you're like, life is so good.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is so good and so beautiful.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: You know, yeah, no, I get it.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: So I want to circle back to a theme that
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: you talk a bit about toward the beginning the book,
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: and that theme is guilt. A line that really resonated
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: with me, Kira is that true guilt is the feeling
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: that you get when you act outside of your own
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: values and you know it in your heart that you've
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: betrayed yourself. When was the last time that you would
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: say that you experienced true guilt.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I feel guilty a lot. I think that's just by nature.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Most of it's just around my kids, you know, Like
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I am I like the best mom I can be am.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I giving them everything they need, like and I think.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Sometimes too with kids, like sometimes like kind of learning
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: things the hard way is actually they need that like
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: sometimes like through failure, there's a lot of growth, and
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: so I think that's like the hardest thing is when
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: you see your kids going through something and like wanting
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: to like solve their problems, but also knowing that this
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: is where like a lot of growth comes in and
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I can support them and love them and show them
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I'll be here unconditionally, but like they're going to have
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: to work through some of these things. So I think
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: that's where probably feel the most. There's a lot to
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: unpack with with guilt just in general.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Why do you think that you have like such a
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: propensity for gil Where do you think that that comes from?
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: This may sound sexist, I think partly being female. I
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: think I remember hearing once, like when I was in
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: high school that the difference between like they're talking about
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: a basketball team and if you had like a coach
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: given halftime talk to a team full of males saying, Okay,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: we really need to work on passing, majority of the
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: men on that team would think, yeah, my teammate needs
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: to be better at that. And if you have that
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: same speech to a team of females, every female is
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: going to internalize saying, oh, yeah, I need to work
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: on that. So I think just naturally and like I
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: forget what study that was, I forget even where I
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: heard that, But I think naturally. I tend to internalize
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: things that way. I'm the oldest of five kids, so
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: I've kind of, like, you know, I talked about it.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not bossy, I have leadership qualities, but so I
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: think that that trying to keep everyone in line in
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: one to be a good example, and just feeling, you know,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: so proud of my brothers and sisters, wanting to help them.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Matt Centuitz Senior would always tell me to take off
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: my Red Cross uniform. And I think I've always just
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: wanted to help people, like I think it's just in
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: my blood, wanting to give and help and support. And
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: so I think learning for me how to yeah focus
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: a little bit, be a little more selfish. And I
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: talk about that word as the loaded word too, But
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: being able to kind of focus on myself without giving
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: all of myself away is just something I've had to
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: work on my whole life.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: It's so hard, It is so hard to try to
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: bin back into yourself when you are someone that like
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: identifies as a giver and someone that likes to support.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: But also what you've learned and what you speak about
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: so well in the book is that that oxygen mask moment,
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: the understanding that doing things for yourself isn't selfish. For
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: someone who hears this and they think, oh, man, I
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: feel guilty all of the time, where does someone even
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: begin with reclaiming this space and with letting go of
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: some of the guilt in your experience.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: For me, it took time, and like so for me
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: starting to put running back in.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: My life, there was guilt associated with that that I
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: felt guilty that I was taking twenty minutes outside of
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: my day doing something that was for me and not
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: for my family.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: But then I did it, and I had, like I
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: called it, like a dipstick.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I'd come back and make sure my kids were still happy,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: healthy and loved, and I'd come back and their world
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: went on and they were still happy, healthy, loved, and
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, Like my family could sustain this.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: And then I'd tried running for thirty.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Minutes and I'd come back and be like, Okay, they're happy,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: healthy and loved, Like this is okay.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: So it took me just time to like slowly grow
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: that and realize.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: And then I was realizing too that I was becoming
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: a better version of myself for them, and like just
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: going out for a run and doing that, like I
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: could be a more present mother, I could be just
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: more attentive, and I felt that I had done something
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: for myself so I could just give more.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: And then also like kind of having that.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Dipstick I think allows you to adjust that there's weekends
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: that I've gone away for a race and I've come
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: back and like they're a little distraught, and it's like, okay,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: so now I need to calibrate and make sure that they.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Again are feeling happy, healthy and loved.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: But I think when you can kind of make that
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: dipstick and check that point, I don't know, I think
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: that that really helped me. But then also like my kids,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: realizing that kids can learn a lot from other people,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: they can be loved from other people like they it
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: can experience life in different ways, and I don't need
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: to be everything to them.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: So I think the little bit of the type a letting.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Go is really helpful, Easier said than done, and just
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: like learning to ask for help, you know, when people
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: like show up and help you, Like it is sometimes
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: hard to ask for help, but it's very rewarding, I'm sure,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: because I love when people ask me for help. So
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know, why I'm so embarrassed to ask other
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: people for help. But yeah, so kind of all the
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: above kind of rambled on there.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: A little bit.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Fine, all the above, I seriously relate to that, and
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: I never asked myself that question. I'm like, I love
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: helping people, so I'm sure that there's someone that would
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: love helping me. Although I've gotten better at opening up
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: and allowing for the help, I still have to our
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: conversation about guilt, like guilt being in this position where
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: I'm like, but I need your help.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're capable at us women, Emily, you know,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: so like our default is that we can do it
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: all alone. And I think when we can let go
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: of that a little bit and invite, and then we
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: can realize, like how much we can learn from other
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: people too. Right, Like I come in and my mom's
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: doing something with my kids, like a craft that I'm like,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I would have never in a million years thought of that,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: but that looks like so much fun.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad that they have this experience.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: You know, And just like in life, similar things, when
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: people come and help you with things, You're like.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Wow, I would have never done it that way, But
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: I just learned that, yes, totally.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: In the book you write running makes me a better
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: mother and being a mother makes me a better runner.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: Parenthood has released me from the pressure because whether runner
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: hero wins or loses, it doesn't impact mom.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Kira.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Now you've realized this that when you whether you win
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: or lose, it doesn't impact mom.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Kira.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: I want to bring us to the Olympic trials. Do
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: you feel like this is something that your kids have
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: realized too?
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Through running, I've been able to teach my kids a
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: lot of different things, like hopefully I've been able to
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: teach them how like find a passion and go for
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: it and what does go for it look like? It
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: means like showing up every day and maybe not every
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: day is better, but showing up on that consistent basis.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: And like doing the best you can with that day.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: And then I've also shown them like how to hopefully
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: win gracefully and more importantly, most of life we're falling
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: short right by default over half of our performances, you know,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: or probably subpar, and like what do you do with that?
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: And I think like the true winners in life or
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: the type that are like okay, that didn't go very well.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Let's learn our lesson, Let's move on, Let's find what
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: we can learn from this, and let's move on. And
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: so I think like failing on like a big stage
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: with my kids, like very invested in that race, like
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: obviously not how I wanted the race to go out,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: but maybe even a better lesson for them to see that,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: like we don't always win, Like winning is more an
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: exception than like a reality every time. And so how
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: you can handle when you lose, you know, like learn
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: your lesson. We can be sad about it, that's okay,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Like all feelings are valid, but give yourself a point
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: where you're like, Okay, now I'm going to start moving forward.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I'm going to readjust I'm going to find a new
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: goal and watch mom go after the next thing she
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: goes for, Like that didn't break me, you know, So
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I hope that they can learn resiliency through that.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think sometimes even the.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Bad races, like they can learn more from the way,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: you know, I handle myself.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: We don't try hard going after a goal for it
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: not to go as we'd hoped. And this is certainly
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: something that you know a lot about. So recently in
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: your training, have there been moments where you've had to
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: kind of bring in this radical honesty and be like
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: this is working or this isn't working.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I mean this spring, I lined up for the Boston Marathon,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: and I came in super underbaked. I had maybe a
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: couple months of training going into it off of being
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: off for a lot, and my training was just trying
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: to turn enough that I thought maybe I can do it.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: And six miles into the race, I realized the wheels
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: were coming off. I was already hitting a wall and
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: I have twenty miles to go. And I realized then
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: that like I wasn't at risk of hypothermia or heatstroke,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: I wasn't injured, there was nothing.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I wasn't going to do my body damage by finishing.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: But I knew that would be a big moment for
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: me after coming off of Chicago and having to drop out.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I knew I was going to finish the race, and
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: so I had to slow down a little bit and
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I like kept it together, and that was a really
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I'm really proud of myself. I mean, it was one
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: of the slowest marathons I've run in the last ten years.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: But I was so proud that I kept going even
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: though it wasn't my best day ever. It probably wasn't
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: even the best that I could do that day, but
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I was really proud of myself for pushing through in
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: that moment, and that was like a moment that I
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: should have pushed through. And then I've had some workouts
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: since where I've shown up just tired or mentally exhausted
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: or mentically done that I've started a wrap and I've
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: just been like, it's not here today, and I'll just
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: go on like an easy run. And I'm so thankful
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: that coach at Eystone is a very realistic person and
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: there's no extra emotion around that, and he also trust
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: us that we're all like I don't think he's ever
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: going to have to tell any of us and we
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: need to run more, go faster. He's like raining us in.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: So with that, he's like, yep, good, call cool it down,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: you're good and come back to fighting. You know the
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: next workout.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: And it's funny because people ask me all the time too,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: like I want to do a marathon, but I don't
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: really want to train for it, like any I'm like, well,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: don't do a marathon.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Don't do it until you really really want it. But
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: it's okay not to want.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: To do a marathon too, you know, Like it's okay
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: if you're a runner and you decide you don't want
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: to run for a while, Like I didn't want to
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: run for eight or nine years, you know, and I
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: was able to get back and do this.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: So yeah, very personal, Sorry rambling again.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Oh you're never rambling for me. I find it all
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: so fascinating.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: You're you're talking about basically that you've had so much
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: practice strengthening both your resiliency and your compassion muscles. It's
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: something that is aspirational for so many So when someone
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: hears you speak this way and they think, I too,
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: wish that I could have a bit more compassion for myself.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: Aside from saying, well you just need to start, what
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: other practical advice do you have for that person?
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: It's so it's so tough, and it's something that you
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: need to work on and develop, and it takes time.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: And I think for me, stop comparing yourself to your
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: best ever, and then it's a lot easier to be
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: compassionate for the person you are today. And like accepting
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: where you are today is where you are today. It
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean you're going to be there forever and you
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: can grow from here. But I think just showing the
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: person you are today some like just some grace. And
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I think also like the version of you from the
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: past like was doing the best that he or she
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: could too, So I think showing like your past some
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: grace too, that that was the best I could do
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: with what I knew in the moment. And yeah, I've
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: done a lot of really stupid things, but you kind
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: of have to forgive yourself and learn from it and
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: just know that you're going to be better. And then
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I think worrying about the future too like too much.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Like we can worry things about what we need to do,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: but things out of our control we need to let
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: go of too. So I think it's like kind of
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: a combination of accepting yourself where you are, and like
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I mean when I started back running and I tried
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: to run for three minutes and I only made it
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: ninety seconds, like I just like I mean, I cried
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: about it, so it wasn't like totally grace and I
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: was like, I can't believe this is where I am,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: but I'm like, this is where I am. I'm a
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: ninety second runner today, maybe tomorrow or the day after
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I can be a two minute runner.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: So I think like giving yourself some time to just helps.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: But yeah, and then I mean just the old advice,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: you know, talk to yourself the way you would talk
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: to friends. You know, like, I don't know, I'm the
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: hard on my friends at all. I'm always building them up,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: So why shouldn't I build up myself too?
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: A men.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: As you talk about in the book, perfectionism can backfire, right,
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: and that is it's so much easier said than done
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: to say to yourself, I'm not going to be a perfectionist.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: I'm going to level set my expectations. But it doesn't
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: mean that you don't want the best for yourself. Now,
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: I think in practice, wanting the best for yourself is
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: what we're talking about here. It is offering yourself this grace.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: It is putting yourself in this position where, regardless of
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: the outcome, you can genuinely say I did the best
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: I could with what I had.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think too, it's funny, just as you
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: were saying that this like analogy came to my mind
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: that if we are giving one hundred percent, that is
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: really close to our red line, right, we can't give
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: any more than one hundred percent, So if we like
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: tilt over the one hundred percent, we're on a razor's
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: edge of like the most we can do in something
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: that's like detrimental.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: So I think too, like that's perfectionism.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Right, But what if we came off that one hundred
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: percent and what if we were training at ninety five
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: or ninety eight percent, That we're not quite redlining it.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: And that's not we're not being perfectionist.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Like we can call it when we need to call it,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: or we can shorten the cool down, or maybe like
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: we give ourselves a little bit of like extra grace
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: on like the pace, but that's so much more sustainable
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: because you're not on that razor's edge. So I think
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: like learning that good enough is good enough to I
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: talk about that a lot in the book, But I
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: think that helps with the perfectionism that like the point
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: of running and most things in life is consistency, and
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: if you're overdoing it and you're burning out, then it's
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: hard to be consistent.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: When would you say you truly learned what your red
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: line is. Because a theme and something that I was
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: so interested to read it about in this book is
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: how often you are truly like pushing yourself to the
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: point of I have absolutely nothing left in the tank,
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: the medical tents, the hospital visits and all these things
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: as you're chasing the balands of your potential. So can
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: you recall the first time you really felt what it
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: was like to go all in?
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Oh Man?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: And I think that's like the biggest joke of life too,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: is that red line is constantly moving.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Great, So it's like it's not like I know exactly
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: where it is, but every day it's a little bit different.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Every year it's a little different. The older our gun,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: the more finicky that redline is. But I mean, I think, like,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, the first race that came to mind is Houston.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say that.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: That race took everything more from me.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I was surprised that I finished on pace just because
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: of everything that I pushed through in that race, But
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: that one I truly went to the barrel and found
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: like what I had that day, which but I think
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: also I was running a pace to start out that
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: was probably conservative to allow me to do that even
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: though it felt fast from the gun I was. I
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: was in shape to do that, which is why I could.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: But oh yeah, that one empty, that one. I went
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: to some deep dark places in that race.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: I like think about just being in the bathtub and
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: being like, am I Am I a human?
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Still? Like what's happening here?
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: And I mean, we've certainly all had these moments where
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: we're in the pits of the darkest bits of ourselves
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: and we're trying to figure out how to pick ourselves
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: off the floor. And what I find so impressive about you,
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Kira is it's like you keep getting to that edge
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: and you have this profound understanding that you get to
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: pick yourself back up, and that for so many again
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: is such a challenging realization. It's you could fall into
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: what so many refer to as this victim mindset, or
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: you can say, now I'm going to take this and
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: From A to B because I get that opportunity.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: Do you feel like that is a lesson, that growth
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: mindset that I get to mindset that you've learned over
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: time as an athlete, or is that something that was
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: instilled in you from a young age.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I think I learned that over the time.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: And that's such like an interesting question too, because I
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: think I actually like the robustness of that lesson. I
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: think happened when I wasn't running and I was living
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: with these what ifs and would have cut a should
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: have and like what if I wouldn't have quit, and
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: there was just a lot of like turmoil in questions,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: and that to me, is far harder to live with
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: than going for something and falling short. So it's so easy,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Like I mean, after I go for something and fall short,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: like you could still step back and be like I
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: had the courage to start, Like look at me, go
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: like that is really cool that I set out on
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: this goal. And maybe I'm not there yet, maybe I
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: can get there in the future, but that is so
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: much more fun than sitting there one ding what if
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: and that like alone. Like someone recently asked me to
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: defind like what winning is, and I was like, you
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: know what, standing on the starting line, if any race
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: feels like a win. That I had the courage to
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: like pick a race, train for.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: It and make it to the starting line, that to
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: me is winning. You know, everything else is gravy.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: So It's like even when a race doesn't go quite well, well,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: I put myself out there and I went for it,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: which feels like so much further ahead of where here
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: was ten or fifteen years ago.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: How does Kiara manage disappointment?
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Man, Like I am competitive, right, so I finish and
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: I'm like let down, But then like I think, I
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: quickly try to like pivot to like Okay, what did
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: I learn, Like how like what can we celebrate from that?
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: What do I need to like level up?
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: And what can I put in like the failure toolbox
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: from this race that make sure I never get back
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: here again? So I think I've become like really realistic.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: And I think also too, it's like I don't know
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: just where are you in my life in my age,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: like falling short on like a time goal and a
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: workout or a race, like I can handle that, you know,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: like my kids get sick or something's wrong like that
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: like is crushing, so it kind of or like you know,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: just something professional, Like I don't know, I think everything
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: in perspective, but it helps having other things in my
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: life just to help keep everything in perspective and then
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: just knowing it's not like progress isn't linear. We've heard
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: this a million times, but just knowing that it's not
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: always gonna you know, it's not this exponential. I don't
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: know X Yu gos X squared drap.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole thing. You know, you brought up your age.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: You get asked about it way more than I think
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: is even appropriate. But at this point, how does that
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: make you feel? That it is like an inevitable point
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: of the conversation when we talk about your performance as
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: an athlete.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I'm really proud and I think I'm really proud to
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: be moving the bar for everybody.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: And I think going for it as hard as I'm
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: going for it, I think is showing everybody what we're
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: all capable of. Like after the Track Championships this past July,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: I cool down with a girl who was also in
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: the ten k race and she was like, Kira, I
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: love when you crush a race and I was like, oh, wow, yeah, thanks,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that, and she's like, no, because I see
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: like every time you crush a race it adds years
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: to like my running longevity. It makes me feel like
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I'm capable of so much more, and that my like
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: timeline and running just increased. So you just showed me
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: now that I can run for even longer and I
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: can improve for even longer, and how much like, yeah,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: how much more I have to look forward to, which
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: allows me to be a lot more patient with where
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I am today. So I'm really like that to me,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: like that made the whole track meet. You know, I
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: like I ended up seventh and I broke like the
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Master's American record, But that, like one little conversation meant.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: More to me than any like place I would ever finish.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: I think it's so special. I mean, I'm not that
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: far from you right now, and I still feel it's
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: so interesting to say the sentence, like it feels brave
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: to say I want to like beat my previous best time,
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: knowing that I'm thirty seven and not thirty one, right
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: but it is still much of our conversation of just
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: meeting yourself with where you're at, And I too, have
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: no ego about being realistic.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: It's more like, no, this is entirely within the wheelhouse.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: And how special is it that we get to feel
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: that way at this stage in the game as you
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: are moving forward right now, I know that this what
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: if question is a big one for you. What are
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: the what ifs that are kind of on the tip
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: of your tongue.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: At the moment, I think, like, what if I can
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: still run faster?
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: What if I have a marathon PR and half marathon
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: PR and like a national.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Champion stip still in me?
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Like what if I can run healthy for the next
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: three years and qualify for the next Olympic Trials and
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: show up as a competitor at the twenty twenty eight
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Olympic Trials, Like those are all like those are all
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: question marks that are really fun and really exciting and
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to unless I go for it,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: So might as well go for it.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: Is it hard for you to shut out what everybody
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: else has to say?
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: I don't think so, because the running world in general
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: never thought I'd ever amount.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: To what I amounted to.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: So it's hard then to also listen when they're like,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: you know, when they're like, oh, that's you know, that's
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: it for Kira, you know, it's like, well you didn't
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: actually you never were cheering for me, or you never
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: saw when I could break an American record either. So
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: I can't trust what you think, like I can trust
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: myself and my coach and my teammates and my support system,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: like I believe in them and I.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Listen to that.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: But outside of that, like it's, you know, they don't
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: know what I'm going through or how hard I'm working,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: or what I'm going through like on the track and workouts,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: so it's it's it's been easy, kind of easy to
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: block it out.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: I really appreciate how open you were in the book
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: talking about the coming to and understanding of what you
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: wanted to do with your sponsors.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Right there was an.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: Opportunity that came your way that just didn't sit right
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: with you, and that is a great example of you
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: trusting your gut and going with what.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: You thought was best.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: Have there been moments or instances in your career where
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: you look back and you say, maybe I should have
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: gone that way.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I think I have done a pretty good job of
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: following my heart and picking goals that are very authentic
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: and that excite me. And I don't think I will
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: ever regret doing something that feels really like authentic and
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: passionate and exciting to me, Like I am totally fine
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: going for something and learning my lesson as long as
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: I'm choosing to go for it. And I've had like
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: people in the past that have advised me to do
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: different things and that have suggested to do this, and
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I've been really proud of being able to be like,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: you know what, I have to live with my choices,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: and I have to live with the outcome, and I
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: have to live with training for this for months and
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: months and months. So I really want to make sure
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: it's something that I'm really excited about and I can
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: live with whether I like, yeah, if I hit it,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: or if I don't yeah.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: And I think that also is like so impressive, right,
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: just getting to this place where you're like, these are
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: my decisions to make because it is challenging not to
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: let all of the noise, the external noise, be something
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: that impacts your decision making. And I'm not saying that
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: there haven't been times that it's popped in a little bit,
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: but being able to put the blinders up and be like, Okay,
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: let's do an honest gut check, like what feels right
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: for Kiro, what feels right for Emily. That is again
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: that resiliency muscle in full effect well.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: And I think like I've had some clear wise on
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: this journey, and so whenever I've been conflicted about what
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: to do, I resort back to my whys and that
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: becomes the answer.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: We thought, it's pretty easy, So what are the why?
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: So?
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, for me, I still want to see how
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: fast I can run, So like my overall goal in
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: this sport is how fast can cure it run, So
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: picking races or picking you know, a training group, and
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: picking like a shoe that I want to run in,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: it's all filtered, like is this going to help? Is
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: this going to support how fast I can run? So
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: that like single goals like for running, and then I
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: have like other like more I don't know what's it
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: called the smart goals that are like measurable goals you
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: know too.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: But then also like I feel.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Like running for a wei has been really powerful for me,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: like the we being teamed motto, the we being women,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: the we being mothers, the we being people that aren't
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: in their twenties anymore. So I feel like that's also
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: been like a big y for me, is just showing
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: us all what we're capable of.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been really powerful for me too, Kira, Just
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: so you know, so as you look forward, then we
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: obviously have talked about the goals, maybe the more smart
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: goals a little bit within sport. But when you think
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: about what else that you want for your life right now,
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: what goals come to mind?
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: What brings happiness to Kira?
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to be a great mom, Like I
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: want to be real involved with my kids, Like I
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: hope that my kids grow up and they're the kind
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: that want to like check in with me, like on
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: a daily basis. So I'm trying to plant those seeds
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: now so when they don't, like they don't have to
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: talk to me every day, they're going to want to
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: be calling me.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: So that's like a big goal of mine. But just
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: making sure that.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: They feel again like happy, healthy and loved. So that yeah,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: some family goals. And then I would you know, after
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: like who knows how long this, Like I'll be able
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: to chase my fastest times ever, but I'd like to
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: still be involved in the sport in a way they
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: can help support, motivate, encourage.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Like empower other runners.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: I don't quite know what that is yet, but I
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: got to take care of some more and furnished business
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: before I get there.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: When you say that, Joni comes to mind, and I
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: think about all that she's been able to to do
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: for the sport of women's running, long after she stopped
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: running competitively. But nothing brings more joy to me than
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: seeing her just still out there kicking literally running races
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: just because it brings her joy, not because she's going
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: for the goals that she had, you know, twenty five
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: years ago.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: And I'm so impressed by her too, because she's still
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: a competitor and it is so cool to.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: See that she's a huge role model for me and inspiration.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: She's inspiring us.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: All I do, for a second want to go back
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: to this because it's just such a through line for you,
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: this idea of like I want to be the best
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: mom possible.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Do you have any reason to believe that you're not?
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: No, No, But I feel like I get one shot
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: at this, right, I get one shot to see them
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: grow up, and I get one shot to help them become.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: The people that they're going to be proud of.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think also it relates back to like
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: that mom guilt too, you know, I think that that's
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: like all full circle that I like, I hope I'm
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: doing everything I.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Can for them.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: I hear you when you talk about your running and
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: you talked about how you manage with disappointment, and it
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: seems as though you have such a solid mindset on
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: managing your expectations within sport, but when it comes to
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: your kid, you're like, I will not mess this up.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, this is. But I've also realized I'm far
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: from perfect.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: And I talk about this a lot in the book
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: that like I have burnt meals and thrown the whole
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: pan into the garbage, like I am totally fine buying store,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: bought Kate for someone's birthday, Like I have forgotten things,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: I've dropped ball, So I am far from perfect.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: Someone comes to your Instagram page, they see this rock
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: star athlete, someone who's still chasing as fast as she
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: can go and all of this new potential that's still
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: in there. But when you look in the mirror, what
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: is it that you see looking back at you?
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: You know, that's really funny, Like I I don't see
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: like Runner Cure when I look at the mirror, Like
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: I like to me, Kira is you know how like
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Mario has a Warrio, so like Runner Cure is like
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: my Warrio. Okay, So I don't even want to say,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: it's like.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: A bad version.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: It's like not evil or anything like that, but it's
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: like this ultra ego almost like real Kira is like
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: a mom that's like, you know, trying to keep track
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: of to do list and planning birthday parties and picking
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: up kids and trying to remember tonight's soccer lacrosse and
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: like what's for dinner. So to me, that's like real
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: life and it feels like kind of like dress up
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: in a way when I get to go put on
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: like a tractorsy and race people as fast as I can.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: But it definitely like I don't see that version of
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Kira when I when I look in the mirror.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: How does Kira feel lately when she looks in the mirror, I'm.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Proud, Yeah, I feel good, Like I'm really proud of
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: where I am right now. I'm proud of all the
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: work that I've done in the last year, even if
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: I haven't, you know, had to race time necessarily to
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: show that I'm proud of the person I am, and
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: just I don't know the way that I treat the world,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: in the way that I look at the world. So yeah,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: I'm really I'm happy with who I am.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: I really appreciate that sentiment? Although I might not have
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: a race time to show that. I think there are
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: a lot of people who may be a bit harder
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: on themselves than this when they say something like that,
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: feeling like they're putting in the work and time and
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: and time and again it's just not clicking. How they'd
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: hope for someone that comes to you and says, what
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: am I doing here? Is this even worth it anymore?
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: With that sentiment in mind, what is it that you
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: tell them?
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Like are you having fun? Like? Are you enjoying this?
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: And not every run is going to be fun? Not
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: every race is going to be fun.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: There's going to be a lot of days where you
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: don't feel like doing it, and you do it anyways,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: But like, overall, are you on like the adventure of
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: a lifetime? Right? And if you are, then keep going
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: and you'll work through this and you will find another peak.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: And if you're not, then let's figure out what do
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: we need to change about how you're structuring it, what
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: your goals are, how you're imported, or maybe you just
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: need a little like to pull back a little bit
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: from being so aggressive with running. But yeah, I think like, yeah,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: put it through, like is this are you having the time.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Of your life?
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: What does fall look like for Kira with a book
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: coming out and beyond?
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm really excited for this book to come out.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: I am, yeah, also very nervous, but on yeah, on
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: the pub day on nine to nine, I'm doing an
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: event at in Park City at the Barnes and Noble.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: And on nine ten, I'm.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Going to Chicago to do an event with the wind
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Runners in Chicago, and I've heard they're going to have
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Reverer floats there, so I'm like counting down the days,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Like I could also just make a rut beer float
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: with what I have in my kitchen right now. But
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: the fact that they're going to be like having a
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Ruvier float party on nine ten.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I'm super excited.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: But is it a cookie dough flot?
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: That's what I need to I need to ask because
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: a lot of people don't do that, and a lot
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: of people actually think that's gross, but I think they're
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: really truly messing out. And then I'll fly from Chicago
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: to Copenhagen to run the Copenhagen Half marathon, so that that's.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Going to be a week.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: I'm so excited to like, yeah, finally my book to
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: go out into the world. But I also like that
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: I'll be traveling internationally, so when people start reading it,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: I can like kind of.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Go to the dark a little bit.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: You know, so we'll see, like we'll see it, and
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: then I can come back and be like, do people
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: like this? How is it being received? Is it like
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: are people taking from it what I set to like
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: share with the world. And I hope that connects.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: So what does success look like for you as an author?
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: I think if people can read this and feel inspired,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: I think that's success. Like if you can read this
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: and say, you know what, like that really hit me,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: or I could relate to this, or I learned this
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: little trick, or there was someone who read it recently
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: and that posted like I'm going to sign up for
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: a marathon. Like to me, that was like the highest
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: compliment that they read all this and I talked about
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: the highs and the lows and how much a marathon
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: can really suck at times too, but she.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Took from the general story that she wanted.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: To try to go out and do a marathon, So
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: that to me felt like really really good. And I
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: also like I hope that this isn't contained to just
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: like the running world. Like I hope that people look
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: at my book and the way that we look at
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: ted Lasso, like we're not all obsessed with soccer. We
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: liked soccer being in the story. It's fun to watch,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: but it's not about soccer. And I feel like that's
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: like I talk about running a lot, and I say
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: in the proleg this isn't a book about running, and
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of running in the book, But I
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: think running is just the way that I've learned a
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: lot of these lessons, like how I've like come back
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: to my truest and happiest self and just just the
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: method I've used to chase, you know, being the best
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: version of Kira.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so special.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: And I will tell you that I really relate to
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: this concept of like a vulnerability hangover.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: I remember when my cover story came out.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: I asked a friend if we could go to yoga
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: and put our phones on DND and she goes, no,
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: I want to be in the world when it comes out.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: I said, I don't.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to be in the world at all.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll give it some space and we'll let
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: it kind of Yeah, we'll see.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: What the reception is. And then I've been like, I've
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: been so lucky that the.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: People that have been supporting me and like you know,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: messaged me on Instagram, like ninety nine percent of it
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: is so positive and a lot of them are other
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: women that you know, maybe put running aside and brought
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: it back, but can like really relate to my story.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: So I find that they've been really encouraging and really
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: loved me and really supportive.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm excited for people to start reading that.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm so appreciative of you.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: And you know how I wrap up here right now,
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: you have an opportunity to offer yourself a piece of advice.
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: Let's go back to shortly after last year, the two
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: places broken foot, feeling just down on our luck and
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: having a tough go at it. Right now, knowing what
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: you know, now, what advice would you give Kira a
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: year ago?
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: I would just say, a year from now, you're gonna
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: be kicking ass, like, hold on for the ride.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: It's gonna get a little bump, b but you have
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: what it takes to move through it.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Everything you need is inside of you.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: So beautiful, kire to motto, so grateful for you.
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: For those that aren't following along with you, just yet
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: give us the details.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: How do we keep up with you? Where do we
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: get the book? All the things?
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: So probably Instagram's the best way at Kira Dematto. And
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: I'm also really active on Strava. And if you haven't
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: started using Strava, I think you should because it's such
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: a fun way to gamify moving your body. I don't
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: work for Strava. I've never been paid by Strava. This
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: is not a Strava sponsored ad, but I really love Estrava.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: But I'm very active on Strava too, so and then yeah,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: my book, you can find it. I also I mean
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: wherever books are sold, Amazon, Barnes and Noble. And then
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: also you can shop local, which I think is really cool.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: And I read the audio book for it. So the
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: audiobook comes out in the same day on nine to nine.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: And so it's my words and my voice, and I
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: definitely mispronounced some things. I listen to it back, I'm like,
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: that's probably not how you say that word, but it flows.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: I get what I was trying to say. But it
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: was really special and I really like I didn't. I wanted,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: like a professional to record it because I thought that
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: it would sound better. And I'm so glad that my
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: publisher was like, it should be your voice. It's a
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: memoir and the same thing like I didn't want my
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: picture to be on the cover of the book, and
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: she's like, it's a book about you, you should be
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: on it.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: But I want you so anyway. So I'm so lucky.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah for Saint Martin's Press and Sarah Canton and the
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: whole team over there.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: They've been incredible. But yes, I'm.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Also doing the audiobook, which I think, like, I laugh
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: at my jokes before I tell the jokes in the book,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: which is to me just kind.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Of funny, so you got to that. But but yeah,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: so it's also on audiobook.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: I'm over at Emily a Baddie and at Hurdle Podcast
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: Another Hurdle conquered.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time.