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Speaker 1: Live from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me again tonight.
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Speaker 2: The recession we have when we're apparently not having a recession.
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Speaker 2: Why Australians are going backwards financially, but the Labor government
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Speaker 2: claims a win. The coalition promises to approve the banned
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Speaker 2: tailings dam that's holding back that gold mine Indigenous cultural
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Speaker 2: heritage claim or not? Another shocking display of ignorance is
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Speaker 2: one of our leading university campuses. Ignorance and loathing and
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Speaker 2: insight into the horrible discrimination now being unleash against women
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Speaker 2: in Afghanistan by the Taliban.
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Speaker 1: All that plus Kamala.
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Speaker 2: Harris's latest escapades and the Wednesday wrangle on Labor government
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Speaker 2: excess during our cost of living pain.
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Speaker 1: So the Australian Bureau.
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Speaker 2: Of Statistics has now confirmed what you already knew. You
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Speaker 2: are getting poorer, You are going backwards financially. Your cost
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Speaker 2: increases are outstripping your pay increases. Your household finances are
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Speaker 2: in recession. The ABS figures show that we are in
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Speaker 2: a per capita recession and we have been now for
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Speaker 2: a year and a half. Yeah, that's right. Labor has
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Speaker 2: been in power for less than twenty one months and
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Speaker 2: for eighteen months we've all been going backwards financially, which
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Speaker 2: is gruling enough, but even worse when you consider how
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Speaker 2: they came to power promising this.
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Speaker 3: We will put in place mechanisms that provide cost of
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Speaker 3: living relief.
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Speaker 4: Under labor you'll have a government which cares about cost
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Speaker 4: of living and has plans to deal with it.
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Speaker 3: Build people's living standards up a better future with real
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Speaker 3: plans to addresses the cost of living.
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Speaker 4: And to ease the pressure that too many Australians are feeling.
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Speaker 3: Taking pressure off the cost of living, of addressing cost
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Speaker 3: of living issues, to take pressure off living standards, for
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Speaker 3: help with your cost of living.
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Speaker 2: Building our living standards and delivering the opposite.
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Speaker 1: COVID shut down aside.
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Speaker 2: Today's National accounts figures confirmed the economy is performing more
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Speaker 2: sluggishly now than at any time since the recession that
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Speaker 2: Paul Keating said we had to have more than thirty
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Speaker 2: years ago. Treasurer Jim Chalmers wrote his political thesis on
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Speaker 2: his hero Keating. Perhaps he wants to outdo him and
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Speaker 2: crush us even harder for longer. The difference is Keating
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Speaker 2: delivered significant economic reform too, and he owned his decisions.
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Speaker 2: Charmers seems to be in denial.
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Speaker 4: We struck exactly the right balance in our budget and
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Speaker 4: these numbers do vindicate the balanced approach we took it.
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Speaker 1: Just have a think about what's actually going on.
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Speaker 2: Forget the spin. Let's talk about reality. There are only
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Speaker 2: two reasons the economy is not officially in recession. Is
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Speaker 2: rampant government spending. The other is record immigration. So the
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Speaker 2: Albanezy labor government and its state labor mates are pumping
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Speaker 2: the economy full of taxpayers money, either tax from us
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Speaker 2: or borrowed to be repaid by future taxes, and they're
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Speaker 2: doing this to stave off the official recession so they
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Speaker 2: can rescue their political situation. But that same spending is
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Speaker 2: pushing up inflation and therefore keeping interest rates higher for longer,
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Speaker 2: So your mortgage pain is to pay for Labour's political management.
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Speaker 2: On top of that, Labour has immigration at record levels,
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Speaker 2: which also helps stave off official recession, but it also
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Speaker 2: adds to government costs, It exacerbates the housing crisis, it
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Speaker 2: puts pressure on other resources, and adds to our cost
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Speaker 2: of living pressures. Labor is also reregulating the labor market
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Speaker 2: to please its union bosses, adding to employee entitlements like
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Speaker 2: allowing public servants to work from home, entitlements that are
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Speaker 2: a handbrake on productivity, and all of that makes it
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Speaker 2: harder for small and medium and big businesses to employ
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Speaker 2: people and turn a profit, adding to our cost pressures.
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Speaker 2: And on top of all that, Labor is recklessly pursuing
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Speaker 2: an unprecedented national experiment in switching what was a reliable
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Speaker 2: and affordable electricity grid to a renewables plus storage model
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Speaker 2: untried anywhere in the world, which continues to increase costs
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Speaker 2: and reduce reliability, again adding significantly to the cost of
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Speaker 2: just about everything. Galling enough, but especially insulting when they
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Speaker 2: came to power promising this.
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Speaker 3: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 4: By twenty twenty five. Two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 4: a year.
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Speaker 3: Two hundred and seventy five dollars a year will.
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Speaker 4: Get power prices down by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 1: A year year idea.
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Speaker 2: So this is what labor has delivered a per capita recession,
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Speaker 2: high interest rates, high electricity prices, unemployment rising, and fears
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Speaker 2: it will all get worse, and to protect their political skin,
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Speaker 2: they're spending more money, allowing record immigration and dampening productivity
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Speaker 2: by increasing union power, all changes that add to our
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Speaker 2: economic pain. Little wonder that former Prime Minister John Howard
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Speaker 2: has chosen to intervene, writing in The Australian Today that
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Speaker 2: it's well accepted economic belief that if government spending is
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Speaker 2: too high, that exerts upward pressure on interest rates.
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Speaker 1: There is little.
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Speaker 2: Argument that the Albanezer government has lost control of expenditure.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: Labor has taken government spending to more than a quarter
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Speaker 2: of the total economy, and according to its budget forecast,
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Speaker 2: it's going to get higher and stay higher.
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Speaker 1: Yet while we struggle and worry, labor is small.
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Speaker 4: We need to remember, of course, John Howard is a
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Speaker 4: liberal warrior. He's not exactly an objective observer. He's a
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Speaker 4: partisan warrior and that's fine. But here he was an
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Speaker 4: objective observer. He'd acknowledged that we have turned two big
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Speaker 4: liberal deficits into two big labor surpluses.
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Speaker 2: Now, I know a lot of commentators are telling you
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Speaker 2: that the Coalition can't win the next election, that all
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Speaker 2: they can do is push labor into minority government.
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Speaker 1: It's way too early to make that call.
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Speaker 2: The way the Albaneezy government is going on economic management,
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Speaker 2: on national security, on immigration, on union power, on blocking developments,
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Speaker 2: on power prices, on the reckless renewables rollout, and on
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Speaker 2: ducking responsibility for just about everything. The opportunity for a
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Speaker 2: massive turnaround and a possible victory is there for Peter
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Speaker 2: Dutton and the coalition. Let me go to the sheer
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Speaker 2: incompetence of the New South Wales Liberal Party to illustrate
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Speaker 2: a point about Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi. Now, as you know,
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Speaker 2: the state Liberals in New South Wales forgot to nominate
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Speaker 2: hundreds of candidates for the local government elections. Councilors, mayors
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Speaker 2: and new aspirants have had their careers and plans cut
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Speaker 2: short thanks to shambolic political mismanagement. The state director quit
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Speaker 2: but the state President, former Minister Don Harwin, held on
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Speaker 2: for dear life with the support of the state Opposition
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Speaker 2: leader Mark Speakman. And as I told you last night,
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Speaker 2: the Federal Liberal Party stepped in. It sat the state
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Speaker 2: Executive and the State President Harwin, and it's appointed a
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Speaker 2: three man committee to oversee the state branch till after
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Speaker 2: the federal election. Now this is a shambles, but it
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Speaker 2: gets worse. Having suffered this humiliation, the State Party was
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Speaker 2: asked to nominate one member for this new triumvirate, and
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Speaker 2: Speakman put forward former Minister Rob Stokes. But after all
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Speaker 2: this was announced late yesterday, Stokes said he wasn't available. Seriously,
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Speaker 2: you couldn't trust this mob to organize a meat raffle
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Speaker 2: that probably want a vegan one.
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Speaker 5: Anyway, With all due respect to the media, sometimes you
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Speaker 5: get very excited about so called catastrophes and disasters.
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Speaker 1: But I did. I'll come to that. I'll come to that.
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Speaker 1: We should ask me a question.
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Speaker 2: No, no, Look, the fundamentals are sound.
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Speaker 1: The fundamentals are sound. We fundamentally can I can I finish?
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Speaker 1: Can I finish? The fundamentals of the Liberal Party remain sound? Oh?
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Speaker 1: Dear drowning him?
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Speaker 2: But what has this got to do with the Prime Minister. Well,
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Speaker 2: as you'd expect, he took the opportunity to twist the
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Speaker 2: knife quite justifiably. He went on the attack and even
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Speaker 2: suggested a strong course of action over the top, of course,
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Speaker 2: but strong.
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Speaker 6: This is a farce.
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Speaker 3: If the new South Wales leadership of the Liberal Party
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Speaker 3: has been dismiss for incompetence. How about you dismiss the
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Speaker 3: federal leadership of the Liberal Party in the organizational sense
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Speaker 3: for incompetence, for appointing someone as an administrator that's not
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Speaker 3: available and didn't know anything about it.
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Speaker 2: Now, the point here is that is one of the
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Speaker 2: only times in the past year or two you will
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Speaker 2: have heard the Prime Minister speak with strength and passion
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Speaker 2: and cut through on anything. He's been weak on the economy,
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Speaker 2: he's been weak on border security, he's been week on
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Speaker 2: Gaza visas, he's been weak on support for Israel and
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Speaker 2: week on anti Semitism, and he's been weak on immigration.
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Speaker 2: The only time he's spoken with any strength is bagging
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Speaker 2: the inane organizational mess engulfing the new South Wales Liberal Party,
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Speaker 2: which is just a reminder of what Anthony Alberizi, in
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Speaker 2: his own assessment, is really all about.
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Speaker 1: I like fighting Tories.
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Speaker 7: That's what I do.
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Speaker 5: That's what I do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all he's ever really cared about fighting Tories.
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Speaker 1: But we need someone else.
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Speaker 2: What we need in this country is someone who's committed
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Speaker 2: to running a country, fighting for Australia. Let's make a
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Speaker 2: quick trip to the United States, where Kamala Harris is
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Speaker 2: under fire over using different accents for different audiences.
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Speaker 1: Perhaps she should have been an actress. Perhaps she is.
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Speaker 2: Listen to her talking about unions in front of a
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Speaker 2: campaign crowd in Pittsburgh.
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Speaker 8: But you better thank unions for that five day work week.
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Speaker 9: Thank unions pricily, thank unions for pay family leave, Thank
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Speaker 9: unions for vacation time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that event was only hours apart from another
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Speaker 2: event talking to factory workers in Detroit, and observers claim
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Speaker 2: she drifted into some kind of Southern accent.
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Speaker 6: You better thank a union member for sick leave. You
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Speaker 6: better thank a union member for paid leave. You better
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Speaker 6: thank a union member for vacation time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's there, isn't it. What's going on and why
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Speaker 2: does it matter? Well, it's about authenticity, I guess.
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Speaker 10: See the fakery. She was in Georgia a week ago,
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Speaker 10: and suddenly she had a Georgia accent. She goes from
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Speaker 10: one to the other. You know, I flew yesterday, Carly.
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Speaker 10: As I crossed each state heading from New York back
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Speaker 10: to Florida, my accent changed. I'm telling you, I had
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Speaker 10: the Carolina accent. Minutes later, South Carolina. Then I was
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Speaker 10: over Georgia. I mean, come on, I was going all
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Speaker 10: over the place. I turned redneck at one point. I
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Speaker 10: think I got that one in there too. But look,
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Speaker 10: this points to the fakery and how dumb Kamala Harris
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Speaker 10: and the Democrats hope that the American people are. It's
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Speaker 10: an insult to the people of Detroit, to the people
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Speaker 10: of Michigan, to the union workers Georgia.
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Speaker 2: You gotta love us politics these days, don't you now.
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Speaker 2: Fox News report of Peter Deucey even took it up
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Speaker 2: at a White House press briefing.
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Speaker 8: Since when does the Vice president have what sounds like
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Speaker 8: a Southern accent?
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Speaker 7: I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Speaker 8: Well, I mean this is she was talking about unions
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Speaker 8: in Detroit using one tone of voice.
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Speaker 7: Is this something the line, okay.
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Speaker 8: Peter, She's the same line in Pittsburgh, and it sounded
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Speaker 8: like she at least had some kind of a Southern
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Speaker 8: at all.
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Speaker 11: I mean, do you hear the question that I mean,
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Speaker 11: do you think Americans seriously think that this is an
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Speaker 11: important question?
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Speaker 6: They care?
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Speaker 7: You know, what they care about about the questions is
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Speaker 7: just insane? Is that how she talks in meetings. I'm
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Speaker 7: just Peter, we're moving on.
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Speaker 12: We're still moving on.
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Speaker 2: Fantastic staff, and good on Deucy for asking the question.
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Speaker 1: It does matter.
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Speaker 2: It goes to authenticity, as I said, and that matters
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Speaker 2: to voters.
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Speaker 1: And this is likely to be an ongoing talking point.
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Speaker 1: You just watch now.
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Speaker 2: Just to show you the heartlessness of the pro Palestinian movement,
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Speaker 2: especially the radical and ill informed and loathing movement we've
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Speaker 2: seen on our university campuses. I just want to show
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Speaker 2: you how lacking in humanitarian concern they are. I want
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Speaker 2: to show you something that happened this week at a
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Speaker 2: student's association meeting at Monash University. What's what happens when
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Speaker 2: students are asked to stand to honor the six Israeli
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Speaker 2: hostages taken on October the seventh last year, held for
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Speaker 2: almost eleven months and then brutally executed last weekend out.
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Speaker 12: Of respect for our common humanity and please stand for
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Speaker 12: Carmel gut and Enil Roshlmi Kersh Gotberg, Pollen, Alexander Lobanov
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Speaker 12: almongst A received or done, you know, as well as
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Speaker 12: the one hundred and.
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Speaker 13: One another hostages for remaining Gaza made the memories of
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Speaker 13: those who've been murdered be a blessing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, refusing to stand and pay your respects for four
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Speaker 2: innocent men and two innocent women brutalized for almost a
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Speaker 2: year then executed by Islam as terrorist monsters. I just
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Speaker 2: can't conceive of this lack of humanity, this disrespect towards
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Speaker 2: people based on politics or or perhaps the fact that
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Speaker 2: they're Jewish. We're in a bad places as a society.
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Speaker 1: When this sort of thing can happen.
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Speaker 2: When ignorance and enmity runs unchecked and uncorrected, we badly
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Speaker 2: need political leadership on this and we get Monash University,
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Speaker 2: as you would know, is named in honor of one
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Speaker 2: of the greatest ever Australians, a Jewish Australian General, Sir
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Speaker 2: John Monash. Some of these students do his name and
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Speaker 2: his legacy a grave disservice. Let's go to liberal MP Julian.
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Speaker 2: Lisa joins me live in the studio. Julian, we want
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Speaker 2: to talk about matters economic in a moment.
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Speaker 1: But what we just saw then at Monash.
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Speaker 2: University, as a Jewish Australian, what sort of a sense
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Speaker 2: of dread does that fill you with?
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Speaker 1: Well as an Australian increase.
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Speaker 14: It sends such a sad message to other Australians that
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Speaker 14: this is our future generation of leaders who are being
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Speaker 14: educated at what is known as one of the great
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Speaker 14: universities of our country. And yet the moral equivalence that's
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Speaker 14: being shown towards the death.
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Speaker 1: Of Jewish people is just shocking.
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Speaker 14: It's shocking that people won't stand up and honor the
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Speaker 14: fact that people have been brutally murdered, That our allies
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Speaker 14: have been brutally murdered in those terrible terrorist attacks, taken
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Speaker 14: hostage for nearly.
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Speaker 6: A year now and then murdered.
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Speaker 14: This is a terrible thing. And the fact that so
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Speaker 14: many students refuse to acknowledge the death of people shows
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Speaker 14: that our universities aren't standing up for human life, They're
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Speaker 14: not standing up for decency, they're not standing up for
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Speaker 14: basic Western values.
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Speaker 2: Heartbreaking and sickening, and especially when you consider some of
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Speaker 2: these hostages. Of course, a lot of them taken from
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Speaker 2: a music event, the likes of which these university students
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Speaker 2: would go to in this country with happiness and peace
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Speaker 2: in mind.
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Speaker 14: And there are children and babies among the hostages too, Chris,
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Speaker 14: I mean these could have been Australians, and some of
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Speaker 14: them weren't all Israelis. There were people from Thailand, people
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Speaker 14: from a range of different and.
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Speaker 1: In this case a US citizen exactly.
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Speaker 14: And we know that the conflict would be over today
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Speaker 14: if a mus would release the hostages, if they'd lay
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Speaker 14: down their arms. And the fact there are Australians that
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Speaker 14: want to dishonor the memory of those hostages who were murdered,
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Speaker 14: I think is shameful.
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Speaker 1: It is shameful.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, I want to work on to the big issue
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Speaker 2: of the day, and that is the economy per cap
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Speaker 2: at a recession for eighteen months, yet the economy not
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Speaker 2: in recession. And Jim Chalmer's very smug about saying he's
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Speaker 2: got everything just right because he's kept this out of recession.
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Speaker 2: Your response to that, there's nothing to be smug.
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Speaker 14: About in these figures, Chris. As I know from going
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Speaker 14: around my electorate, everyone is hurting at the moment. Young
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Speaker 14: people are hurting because they're seeing their rents go up.
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Speaker 14: Older people are hurting because they're seeing that the savings
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Speaker 14: that they put aside for their retirement are not getting
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Speaker 14: them through. Mums and dads are hurting because they don't
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Speaker 14: have enough money for the grocery bills, and the people
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Speaker 14: have been making choices over the winter whether to turn
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Speaker 14: the heating on or to put food on the table.
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Speaker 14: Australians are doing it really tough here. They don't need
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Speaker 14: Jim Chalmers to give himself a pat on the back
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Speaker 14: for failing to address the problems that you quite rightly
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Speaker 14: pointed out in your editorial that the Labor Party promised
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Speaker 14: to address before they came to government.
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Speaker 1: They promised the opposite. That's very very clear.
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Speaker 2: But with economic growth now so low and people are
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Speaker 2: hurting and consumption falling, then our spending falling. Now doesn't
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Speaker 2: that mean that we're likely to get an interest rate
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Speaker 2: some interest rate cuts sometime in the next six months.
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Speaker 14: Well you wouldn't know, because Jim Charmers has spent the
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Speaker 14: whole time bagging the Reserve Bank governor, which is completely unprofessional.
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Speaker 14: I've never seen an Australian treasurer bagging the Reserve Bank
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Speaker 14: governor in the way that Jim Charmers has been doing here.
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Speaker 14: What the Labor Party needs to do to put downward
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Speaker 14: pressure on interest rates is stop the reckless spending that
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Speaker 14: they've been engaging. In three hundred and fifteen million dollars
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Speaker 14: extra since they came to government. Orthodox economic practice is
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Speaker 14: that you reduce government spending at a time when costs
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Speaker 14: are going up and we need to see productivity improvements.
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Speaker 14: We don't need to see this union sponsored reregulation of
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Speaker 14: the labor market. We need to make it easier for
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Speaker 14: businesses to take on employees and give them a go
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Speaker 14: and ensure that our economy is having the productivity that
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Speaker 14: we know is the way that you generate growth.
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Speaker 2: Jim Charmers and others in Labor are already running a
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Speaker 2: scare campaign against spending cuts that.
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Speaker 1: You've flag that's only going to get worse.
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Speaker 2: Though it's a hard political sell, isn't it to go
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Speaker 2: to an election promising cut spending cut programs?
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Speaker 14: Well, I think you have to ask Australian's a question,
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Speaker 14: are they better off or worse off than they were
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Speaker 14: when Labor came to government. And there's no Australian that
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Speaker 14: will tell you that they're better off when Laby came
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Speaker 14: to government. Maybe some union officials, but that's about it, Chris.
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Speaker 14: And what we need to do is to put downward
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Speaker 14: pressure on interest rates, to put downward pressure on costs
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Speaker 14: and you have to reduce the size of government at
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Speaker 14: that time. You know, all Australians are reducing their spending
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Speaker 14: but the government's not. We think the government should do
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Speaker 14: the same as all Australians.
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Speaker 1: Julian Lisa, thanks for joining us. I appreciate it. Thanks Chris.
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Speaker 2: Jullian Lisa there a liberal MP. I want to stay
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Speaker 2: on the economy now there and go to the new
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Speaker 2: University of New South Wales economics professor Giugi Foster, who
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Speaker 2: joins me from Sydney, thanks for joining us. Just your
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Speaker 2: the assessment, your top line assessment of what we've learned
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Speaker 2: today from these National accounts figures.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I very.
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Speaker 15: Much agree with what you said in your editorial, Chris.
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Speaker 15: I think that the government has really stuck in the
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Speaker 15: mindset that it has to keep the spend spigot on
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Speaker 15: because if it doesn't then the GDP figures are going
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Speaker 15: to just look worse and worse. And as you've quite
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Speaker 15: rightly said, it's the household spending that's going backwards per capita.
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Speaker 15: We are having a recession. We've been in what six
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Speaker 15: I think successive quarters of that, and so there is
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Speaker 15: really kind of no way out. I think that's what
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Speaker 15: Jim Chalmers is faced with at this moment. If he
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Speaker 15: really wanted to do something good for Australia, what he
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Speaker 15: would do is not just cut services. You know, people
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Speaker 15: always think government spending is all for the people, like
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Speaker 15: it all goes directly into central link checks and things
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Speaker 15: like this. That's not always true. A lot of government
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Speaker 15: spending goes to supporting layers of management and bureaucracy that
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Speaker 15: is actually a net drag on the economy. So that
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Speaker 15: is the number one thing that I would like Jim
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Speaker 15: Chalmers to actually consider, and I think it's very hard
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Speaker 15: for him because of the logic of bureaucracy is and
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Speaker 15: the logic of power.
20:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, the logic is to expand. They will always expand.
20:53
Speaker 2: I think in the last budget that expanded the federal
20:56
Speaker 2: public service by something like thirty thousand people.
20:59
Speaker 1: Now, spot on here.
21:01
Speaker 2: Nobody who has worked in government or closely with government,
21:04
Speaker 2: or is studying economics as closely as you would argue
21:07
Speaker 2: with the proposition that you couldn't reduce the federal public
21:11
Speaker 2: service headcount by ten percent. I'm you're not going to
21:15
Speaker 2: cut it by ten percent overnight, but you just put
21:17
Speaker 2: a cap.
21:17
Speaker 1: On new hirings and allow it to dwindle.
21:21
Speaker 2: You could reduce the head count by ten percent and
21:24
Speaker 2: I don't think you'd affect one service in any way.
21:27
Speaker 15: I totally agree. And the problem is, of course, the
21:30
Speaker 15: more that the government purse expands in the way of
21:33
Speaker 15: just employing more and more people, the fewer people are
21:35
Speaker 15: available to be in the private sector and actually driving
21:38
Speaker 15: the productivity and innovation and being in the small business area,
21:42
Speaker 15: which of course we know contributes to an increase in
21:45
Speaker 15: competitive forces, which is good for the Australian consumer. One
21:48
Speaker 15: of the reasons we're seeing this inflation not just in housing,
21:52
Speaker 15: so it's not just because of the inflation because of
21:54
Speaker 15: the rates that the Michelle Bullock is responsible for, but
21:57
Speaker 15: inflation across the board is because the reduction in competition
22:01
Speaker 15: produces that we then have worse products at higher prices
22:06
Speaker 15: and people get kind of smushed even more when they
22:09
Speaker 15: go to the grocery store, when they go to the
22:11
Speaker 15: petrol tank or wherever else.
22:13
Speaker 6: And so health services as well.
22:15
Speaker 1: Are going up.
22:15
Speaker 15: So there's a lot of line items that are seeing
22:17
Speaker 15: higher prices, and that's partly because small businesses have been
22:21
Speaker 15: going out of business and when you reduce competition, you
22:24
Speaker 15: see a reduction in consumer welfare and an increase in prices.
22:26
Speaker 15: So that would have multiple effects. If Jim Chalmers could
22:29
Speaker 15: have the political courage to actually reduce the size of
22:32
Speaker 15: the deep state, I would love that.
22:34
Speaker 2: Let me go to some of the smug self conglg
22:37
Speaker 2: self congratulations we got from Jim Chambers today.
22:40
Speaker 1: We'll have a look at that. Then I'll get you
22:41
Speaker 1: a critique.
22:43
Speaker 4: Without government spending, without growth in government spending, there'd be
22:48
Speaker 4: no growth in our economy at all. That is primarily
22:51
Speaker 4: health spending. This vindicates the approach that we took in
22:55
Speaker 4: the budget, and it frankly torpedoes a lot of the
22:59
Speaker 4: free advice that we got at budget time to cut
23:03
Speaker 4: harder and harsher.
23:05
Speaker 2: So if we had less government spending, there'd be less
23:08
Speaker 2: spending on health and would be in recession.
23:11
Speaker 15: I mean, it's just unbelievable the mindset, right, Where does
23:15
Speaker 15: Jim Chalmers think that actual productivity enhancements come from. Did
23:19
Speaker 15: they come from having a huge government bureaucracy, huge amounts
23:23
Speaker 15: of spending in health that actually aren't producing more health.
23:26
Speaker 15: If you look at longevity, if you look at morbidity
23:28
Speaker 15: in Australia. They're not looking great. We still have an
23:30
Speaker 15: excess mortality problem. I mean what exactly. It's almost like
23:34
Speaker 15: the mindset is just more similar to what was around
23:38
Speaker 15: in the time of the Soviet Union than what is
23:40
Speaker 15: supposed to be in the heads of leaders of Western
23:43
Speaker 15: democratic states. So I do hope he gets maybe some
23:46
Speaker 15: advice from some real people working at the call face.
23:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gigi, I wish he'd take some advice from you.
23:51
Speaker 2: In fact, I wish you'd swap jobs with him.
23:53
Speaker 1: For three years or so. So we go in. Thanks
23:55
Speaker 1: so much for joining us.
23:57
Speaker 2: Thanks professor Gigi Foster there from the University New South Wales.
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Speaker 1: We've got to get to a break on the other side.
24:02
Speaker 2: To talk about what's happening to women in Afghanistan, abandoned
24:06
Speaker 2: by the West, now made invisible by the Taliban. Let's
24:15
Speaker 2: talk about Afghanistan, the Taliban women's rights, and what's happened
24:20
Speaker 2: since the West abandoned that country.
24:23
Speaker 1: You'll recall the chaos.
24:24
Speaker 2: Carnage and humiliation of the US evacuation from Kabul as
24:29
Speaker 2: the international military and aid effort pulled out and left
24:33
Speaker 2: the nation in the hands of the Taliban.
24:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was three years ago.
24:54
Speaker 2: Last month and since then, the Taliban regime has gradually
24:58
Speaker 2: clamped down on some of the ordinar very freedoms that
25:01
Speaker 2: women had been experiencing under the democratic regime of the
25:04
Speaker 2: previous decades.
25:06
Speaker 1: For instance, education was blocked.
25:09
Speaker 16: The Taliban takeover meant only one thing for the women
25:13
Speaker 16: and girls of Afghanistan. Fear fear they'd lose their freedoms,
25:19
Speaker 16: their education, their future. More than a year later, the
25:24
Speaker 16: direction of travel has been cemented. Women no longer have
25:28
Speaker 16: access to university, and it got worse.
25:33
Speaker 1: Secondary schools were shut for girls.
25:35
Speaker 2: Women were barred from swimming pools and public parks, and
25:39
Speaker 2: the government's women's ministry was shut down. Some brave girls
25:44
Speaker 2: and teachers have been running secret lessons.
25:47
Speaker 17: Across the city. Teenage girls are taking a risk and
25:51
Speaker 17: defying the Taliban. Here in the capitol, some secondary schools
25:55
Speaker 17: have stayed open in secret, despite a burn imposed on girls'
25:59
Speaker 17: education above sixth grade.
26:02
Speaker 2: But last month, the fundamentalist Sharia crackdown was made even
26:07
Speaker 2: more extreme, with women made to be almost invisible.
26:12
Speaker 11: Unito Rizzoni referring to supposed time in the future when
26:16
Speaker 11: the laws are lifted. One anonymous woman sings will you
26:21
Speaker 11: seal the silence of my mouth until the second order
26:24
Speaker 11: you made me a prisoner in my home for the
26:26
Speaker 11: crime of being a woman. The thirty five article morality
26:31
Speaker 11: law ranges from requiring women to cover their entire bodies
26:34
Speaker 11: and faces and men to grow beards, to banning drivers
26:38
Speaker 11: from playing music or transporting women without a male guardian.
26:42
Speaker 11: A spokesman from the Justice Ministry.
26:44
Speaker 2: Said, let's go to Afghan refugee Shabnam Safa from the
26:48
Speaker 2: Australian Hasari Advocacy Network.
26:51
Speaker 1: She joins us from Melbourne.
26:52
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Shabnan, tell us about your concerns
26:56
Speaker 2: for the way women are being and girls are being
26:59
Speaker 2: forced to live in Afghanistan.
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Speaker 18: Now, thanks Chris for shining some light on this issue.
27:06
Speaker 18: As you're very rightly pointed, it has been abandoned Afghanistan,
27:10
Speaker 18: particularly women of Afghanistan, have been abandoned one decree at
27:17
Speaker 18: a time, or one rule or one order at a time.
27:20
Speaker 18: Over the last three years, the Tuliwan have made sure
27:23
Speaker 18: that women are systematically erased from society in Afghanistan. I
27:29
Speaker 18: think you mentioned that some of their freedoms were taken away.
27:32
Speaker 18: I would say that all of their freedom is taken
27:34
Speaker 18: away from the day that the Taliban returned. They closed
27:37
Speaker 18: schools to girls, over secondary school to girls, to teenage girls,
27:43
Speaker 18: and then soon after that university was closed. Women are
27:48
Speaker 18: banned from most employment, even banned from going outside the
27:53
Speaker 18: house without a male chaperone. This is very very similar
27:57
Speaker 18: and very very rapidly going back to the Tuliban's rule
28:03
Speaker 18: in the nineties, their their atrocities and the barbarism that
28:07
Speaker 18: they ruled to with in the nineties, and they really
28:12
Speaker 18: are using control over women's bodies and lives as a
28:17
Speaker 18: means to deepen and enshrining their power and control in Afghanistan.
28:23
Speaker 7: But as you're very.
28:25
Speaker 18: Rightly mentioned there as well, the women of Afghanistan, the
28:28
Speaker 18: girls in Afghanistan are some of the most the bravest
28:32
Speaker 18: and the most courageous people I know, because they still
28:35
Speaker 18: defy it. They still resist the the ban or all
28:40
Speaker 18: the orders, all the rules against them denying them their freedom.
28:45
Speaker 7: They resist all of that.
28:47
Speaker 18: They protest. They used to be able to go to
28:50
Speaker 18: protest on the on the street. They can't do that anymore,
28:54
Speaker 18: and they protest over social media and they know that
28:58
Speaker 18: that could be a death sentence for them, but they're
29:01
Speaker 18: still and we cannot leave that behind.
29:03
Speaker 7: We cannot forget them.
29:05
Speaker 2: It's incredibly brave and incredibly risky for them to protest
29:08
Speaker 2: in any way.
29:09
Speaker 1: Now.
29:09
Speaker 2: Your family experienced the Taliban before they were pushed aside
29:14
Speaker 2: by the global military intervention.
29:17
Speaker 1: You were lucky enough.
29:18
Speaker 2: To get out out of Afghanistan into Pakistan while still
29:21
Speaker 2: a young girl, a baby. But you're still in touch
29:24
Speaker 2: with what's going on there and the community. And it's
29:27
Speaker 2: cruel enough that any young girl should be brought up
29:30
Speaker 2: in a regime like this. But there will be so
29:32
Speaker 2: many girls and women in Afghanistan now who have experienced
29:37
Speaker 2: freedom and got to start in their education and are
29:40
Speaker 2: suddenly having it withdrawn and are being forced as prisoners
29:44
Speaker 2: in their own home. It must be just heartbreaking and
29:47
Speaker 2: soul destroying for them.
29:49
Speaker 7: Absolutely absolutely.
29:51
Speaker 18: I'll just do a very minor correction there that I
29:53
Speaker 18: actually grew up in Pakistan and came to Australia about
29:56
Speaker 18: fifteen years ago. But the horrors and the stories of
29:59
Speaker 18: the time one rule is not a foreign phenomenon to
30:03
Speaker 18: anyone from Afghanistan. We've grown up with those stories from
30:07
Speaker 18: our elders, from from the generation who experienced this before
30:11
Speaker 18: the generation that is currently subject to these to these
30:15
Speaker 18: atrocities and these crimes against humanity. The women of Afghanistan
30:21
Speaker 18: were over the two decades of international intervention.
30:25
Speaker 7: There they were. They were doing more.
30:27
Speaker 18: Than educating themselves, more than getting involved in society.
30:31
Speaker 7: They were building their nation.
30:33
Speaker 18: They were re establishing hope, and they were getting involved
30:38
Speaker 18: in that effort to build and imagine it.
30:42
Speaker 1: They're even in parliament.
30:43
Speaker 2: They're even in parliament even then great risk to their
30:47
Speaker 2: own security.
30:49
Speaker 1: Just finally, then, Shavna, tell.
30:50
Speaker 2: Me what the rest of the world can do. What
30:53
Speaker 2: can the international community do it seems to be doing nothing,
30:57
Speaker 2: and in particular, what can Western feminists do to help
31:01
Speaker 2: women in Afghanistan.
31:05
Speaker 18: I think the West has portrayed people of Afghanistan as oppressed,
31:10
Speaker 18: particularly women of Afghanistan, as oppressed, so much that we
31:13
Speaker 18: have normalized it that we are so desensitized to it
31:17
Speaker 18: that women being oppressed in Afghanistan is kind of an
31:19
Speaker 18: expected thing.
31:20
Speaker 9: Now.
31:21
Speaker 18: We feel a little sorry for it, but we don't
31:23
Speaker 18: do anything about it. And what I would urge everyone
31:27
Speaker 18: who's listening or watching right now is to dismantle that
31:31
Speaker 18: that system or that thinking and connect with people from Afghanistan.
31:36
Speaker 18: Women in Afghanistan are still resisting, They're still protesting and defying,
31:40
Speaker 18: and governments can hold the Taliban to account. They are
31:47
Speaker 18: they are controlling through terrorism. They are terrorizing an entire nation,
31:53
Speaker 18: holding its people hostage and using gender apartheid.
31:58
Speaker 7: That's what the UN.
31:59
Speaker 18: Experts are coupling it, and that's what the international community.
32:02
Speaker 7: Needs to come together around.
32:04
Speaker 2: That is a good term, gender apartheid. That's exactly what
32:07
Speaker 2: it is. And if you forgive me for saying so,
32:10
Speaker 2: a shad Nan, you're a classic example when we see
32:12
Speaker 2: how intelligent and articulate you are and the work that
32:15
Speaker 2: you're doing here in Australia, having been lucky enough to
32:18
Speaker 2: come here, I shout out to think the horror of
32:21
Speaker 2: the life that you would be experiencing if you Afghanistan.
32:24
Speaker 1: Now, thanks so much for talking to us and shedding
32:27
Speaker 1: a light on that, and we'll keep in touch. Shoutdown
32:30
Speaker 1: suffer there. Just think about it.
32:32
Speaker 2: Just think about what those little girls and the women
32:35
Speaker 2: of Afghanistan are putting up with now and the.
32:37
Speaker 1: Rest of the world averts its eyes. Coming up.
32:41
Speaker 2: Nationals Leader David Little Proud, he's been in Blainey where
32:44
Speaker 2: Tanya plise killed off that billion dollar gold mine. Now
32:53
Speaker 2: we've got to keep up the fight over environment Minister
32:55
Speaker 2: Tanya plipass crazy decision to effectively kill off a billion
32:59
Speaker 2: dollar gold mine the Indigenous heritage ban on the tailings dam.
33:03
Speaker 2: Plibasek has made a right mess of this, keeping the
33:06
Speaker 2: cultural heritage claims secret and changing her story as she
33:10
Speaker 2: goes along the side environmental concerns from farmers and the
33:14
Speaker 2: solution she's offered up is absurd and impractical.
33:18
Speaker 19: I've said there's no problem with the gold mine going ahead.
33:23
Speaker 19: My decision doesn't apply to the gold mine. My decision
33:28
Speaker 19: is that the tailing's done can't be built on the
33:31
Speaker 19: headwaters of the river.
33:34
Speaker 2: Now, the company Regi's Resources says identifying a new site
33:37
Speaker 2: and getting approval could take another five or ten years
33:39
Speaker 2: and even and then there will be knocked back by
33:41
Speaker 2: some other claim. National's leader David LITTLPROWD visited the New
33:44
Speaker 2: South Wales town of Blainey near the proposed mind site
33:47
Speaker 2: today and I caught up with him afterwards.
33:50
Speaker 5: Yeah, just to gauge the support on the ground from
33:53
Speaker 5: the community, and it was clear from the hour or
33:55
Speaker 5: two hours we were they're walking the streets. How much
33:58
Speaker 5: support there was. Businesses of actually already gone to their
34:01
Speaker 5: banks and actually already invested in new infrastructure on the
34:04
Speaker 5: back of this approval. So there's overwhelming support in the community.
34:08
Speaker 5: They want this to go ahead and they just hope
34:11
Speaker 5: that Tenure Plub of Second Anthonypenees will get.
34:14
Speaker 1: Out of their row.
34:15
Speaker 2: Now you've said that if the coalition wins government, you
34:17
Speaker 2: will approve the mind, you will allow it to go ahead,
34:20
Speaker 2: You'll disregard this indigenous heritage band that Tenure Plymoss put
34:25
Speaker 2: in on it. That's obviously good news for that mining
34:28
Speaker 2: project should the election go the way you want it to.
34:31
Speaker 2: But what about the process here? What about the issue?
34:34
Speaker 2: Shouldn't there be an investigation into how Tania Plymosex come
34:38
Speaker 2: up with this this decision now it seems very murky,
34:41
Speaker 2: there's secrecy involved. Maybe we need an investigation into that now,
34:45
Speaker 2: possibly through the Senate, because it seems like the processes.
34:48
Speaker 1: And maybe even the laws need to be revised.
34:53
Speaker 5: I totally agree, and I think we will prosecute this
34:55
Speaker 5: in Senate estimates and at some point we will put
34:58
Speaker 5: a disallowance motion into the Centate because due process hasn't
35:02
Speaker 5: been followed by the government, but Regis Minerals has. This
35:06
Speaker 5: has been a five year process in which they've had
35:09
Speaker 5: public consultation around this whole project. There were thirteen indigenous
35:14
Speaker 5: applicants that came forward and said that they had a case.
35:17
Speaker 5: They were public hearings of those that came forward, and
35:21
Speaker 5: there was an independent panel that said that there was
35:24
Speaker 5: only one claimant and that was the Orange Land Council
35:29
Speaker 5: who did not support the MIND. Did not oppose the MIND,
35:32
Speaker 5: which meant that all agencies, by state and federals saw
35:37
Speaker 5: that the cultural aspect of this was ticked. And so
35:40
Speaker 5: the Minister hasn't even being able to prepare to actually
35:43
Speaker 5: put or state her state of reasoning publicly. There needs
35:47
Speaker 5: to be transparency and because she hasn't done that, we're
35:50
Speaker 5: simply going to say we're going to prove this thing.
35:52
Speaker 5: There is no known reason why we shouldn't do this.
35:55
Speaker 5: State and federal agencies, even her own department has approved
35:58
Speaker 5: this after the proper consulation. And this goes to the
36:01
Speaker 5: very heart of sovereign risk and actually sending signals to
36:06
Speaker 5: our resource sector that you can come to Australia, you
36:09
Speaker 5: can invest in Australia, because otherwise towns like Blaney are
36:12
Speaker 5: going to lose like eight hundred jobs and their future
36:16
Speaker 5: just because of an ideological view of tenure plabi sect.
36:18
Speaker 5: If we need to change the laws and strengthen them
36:21
Speaker 5: to be more transparent and actually put some decent timelines
36:24
Speaker 5: on this, on these approval processes, I think that'll actually
36:29
Speaker 5: make investment a lot easier in this country.
36:32
Speaker 2: Well. Interesting though interestingly this week a tanure Plybusek has
36:35
Speaker 2: started to cite environmental concerns even as expressed by farmers.
36:41
Speaker 1: Have a look is what she said on Channel seven.
36:44
Speaker 19: Took advice and information from them, from academics, from a
36:49
Speaker 19: whole range of other people. The Council was invited to
36:53
Speaker 19: make a submission on the Section ten applications two and
36:55
Speaker 19: a half thousand pages of advice and evidence from different people,
37:00
Speaker 19: including I should say Barnaby, a lot of local farmers
37:03
Speaker 19: who don't want this tailings dam built at.
37:06
Speaker 6: The headquarters of the river because.
37:08
Speaker 19: They are worrying about their sheep and go to ow
37:11
Speaker 19: honey businesses down the river. They're worried about the charactor
37:14
Speaker 19: as well.
37:15
Speaker 2: So there we have David Little Prouche's talking about environmental
37:19
Speaker 2: issues and even farmers being opposed.
37:21
Speaker 1: To this project.
37:22
Speaker 2: Doesn't that suggest that maybe indigenous issues have been used
37:26
Speaker 2: here to try to appeal to a green or an
37:29
Speaker 2: environmental constituency.
37:32
Speaker 5: Well, she actually has declined this and section ten of
37:36
Speaker 5: the Cultural heritajack nothing to do with the environmental approvals.
37:39
Speaker 5: In fact, the New South Wales EPA approved it that
37:42
Speaker 5: they met all environmental approvals. Now there are individual farmers
37:46
Speaker 5: that don't support this project and I understand that, but
37:49
Speaker 5: the reality is is there are processes put in place
37:53
Speaker 5: and bars that need to be met for mining to
37:55
Speaker 5: take place in this country and it can coexist. Regis
37:59
Speaker 5: has met all that I understand. There was a very
38:01
Speaker 5: small number of farmers that don't support this. The environmental
38:06
Speaker 5: requirements have been met. And for the Minister then to
38:08
Speaker 5: say to deviate away from the section ten of the
38:12
Speaker 5: case of why she's actually declined this to environmental shows
38:16
Speaker 5: that she actually hasn't actually looked at this in a
38:19
Speaker 5: proper procedural way. Tania Plebisek needs to come clean and
38:23
Speaker 5: actually have full transparency. But more importantly, the Prime Minister
38:28
Speaker 5: needs to show leadership. This is an opportunity for him
38:30
Speaker 5: to step in and say proper process hasn't been handled.
38:33
Speaker 1: This goes to sovereign risk.
38:34
Speaker 5: And as the leader of this country, here's his opportunity
38:37
Speaker 5: to stand up hold one of his ministers to account.
38:40
Speaker 5: When he's got Chris Min's the new South Wales Premier,
38:42
Speaker 5: having the courage to do that, Why wouldn't Anthony alban
38:44
Speaker 5: Easy step up and even take a call from the
38:48
Speaker 5: managing director of REGIS. I sat with him today, he
38:50
Speaker 5: went through the whole process, the five year process they
38:53
Speaker 5: went through. I would have thought Anthony Albinisi owed him
38:56
Speaker 5: the respect and then called Tanya plebisek In and got
38:59
Speaker 5: hurt to remove this insidious decisions she's.
39:02
Speaker 2: Put on this and just finally on other matters. Can
39:06
Speaker 2: you find it in your heart to congratulate Jim Charmers
39:09
Speaker 2: for keeping the country technically out of recession?
39:15
Speaker 1: Oh look, poor old grim Jim.
39:17
Speaker 5: I mean the reality is Australians no better off and
39:21
Speaker 5: don't feel safe for after two and a half years
39:23
Speaker 5: of Anthony Albanisi and Jim Charmers, They've lost control of
39:26
Speaker 5: the economy, they've lost control of our borders. When you
39:29
Speaker 5: look at the rest of the world, you look at
39:31
Speaker 5: the interest rates that are falling in the United States, Canada,
39:34
Speaker 5: New Zealand and in Australia. This will just keep an
39:39
Speaker 5: inflation where it is and keep rates where they are.
39:41
Speaker 5: Australians are hurting longer because of Jim Charmers and Anthony Alberanesi.
39:45
Speaker 1: Grim Jim hits again. Thanks for joining us, David, I
39:49
Speaker 1: appreciate it.
39:52
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.
39:54
Speaker 1: Yeah.
39:54
Speaker 2: The trouble with Grim Jim is he always seems so happy.
39:57
Speaker 2: He's always so pleased with himself.
39:59
Speaker 1: No matter what room news he's sharing with us. Now
40:02
Speaker 1: we've got to take a break.
40:03
Speaker 2: On the other side, it's time for the Wednesday Wrangle
40:05
Speaker 2: with Liz Storer and Justin Smith. We'll talk about airbas
40:08
Speaker 2: Albow's travel expenses while we will feel the pain of
40:11
Speaker 2: this per capita recession? How can labor create claim so
40:16
Speaker 2: much credit when so many people are hurting. I love
40:24
Speaker 2: to wrangle on a Wednesday, and here on the desk
40:26
Speaker 2: with me is Sky News host Liz Storer. Rick again Liz,
40:30
Speaker 2: and in Melbourne is columnists and broadcaster Justin Smith. Justin,
40:35
Speaker 2: what about this per capita recession that we had to have?
40:39
Speaker 1: Do you buy Jim Chalmers line?
40:40
Speaker 2: That he's judged everything perfectly to keep the country out
40:43
Speaker 2: of recession.
40:46
Speaker 20: No, I don't think he was even convincing himself, you know.
40:48
Speaker 20: I think you know, there's a lot of people who
40:52
Speaker 20: have an expertise in the economy, and I'm not one
40:54
Speaker 20: of them. But from a political point of view, a
40:57
Speaker 20: government needs to do two things, doesn't it. Either it
41:00
Speaker 20: runs a fantastic economy and it's got that to brag about,
41:04
Speaker 20: or it has a vision for the future, it's sort
41:06
Speaker 20: of leading people, it's inspiring people. Unfortunately, this government doesn't
41:11
Speaker 20: really seem to have either of those, So as it
41:12
Speaker 20: gets closer to the election, I'm going to be fascinated
41:15
Speaker 20: to see what they're actually going to find to brag about,
41:19
Speaker 20: because they're kind of failing on both those things.
41:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right. I think that's very issue.
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Speaker 2: This government really doesn't have a strong suit on anything,
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Speaker 2: and there's so many opportunities for them to show some strengthen.
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Speaker 2: But amazingly, Jim Charmers seems to be congratulating himself Liz
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Speaker 2: with keeping us to zero points to out of recession,
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Speaker 2: when he's telling us for the past eighteen months, we've
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Speaker 2: all personally been in a recession.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, so he'll admit that we're on the brink of one,
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Speaker 9: but he's saving it.
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Speaker 6: Off as best he can.
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Speaker 9: And this government seems to do nothing but blame the
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Speaker 9: RBA as well. Where the RBA, who we know, are
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Speaker 9: telling the truth A saying no, no, inflation is driven
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Speaker 9: by government spending.
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Speaker 6: Milton Freeman say the same thing. We all know this.
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Speaker 6: It's economics one oh one. You don't have to be Adam.
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Speaker 9: Crichton to be like mate, the inflation is your fault.
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Speaker 9: And I have yet to hear our federal government or
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Speaker 9: any of the state governments talk about.
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Speaker 6: Look, we are looking at a recession.
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Speaker 9: These these aren't very healthy, hearty days in the economy.
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Speaker 6: Let's talk about tightening our belts.
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Speaker 9: Let's talk about cracking down on government spending.
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Speaker 6: It's not going to be fun, but it's going to be.
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Speaker 9: Necessary for the generations to come. I have not heard
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Speaker 9: one premiere in this country take that tone, not once.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, tighten our belts and also boost productivity.
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Speaker 1: Let's be more productive if we can produce more for
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Speaker 1: less than we do. All right.
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Speaker 2: The thing here justin is is that very simple, old
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Speaker 2: old analogy, and that is you got an accelerator and
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Speaker 2: you're going to break in your car. And the Reserve
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Speaker 2: Bank's got us foot on the brakes to keep cash
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Speaker 2: out of the economy, and the government's got us foot
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Speaker 2: on the accelerator pumping money in.
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Speaker 1: It's just that they're not in unison.
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Speaker 20: Yeah, and look, and the thing that sort of gets
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Speaker 20: me this is all governments. This is both sides. And
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Speaker 20: you mentioned it right there, were you know when Charmers
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Speaker 20: has been talking about the RBA is when you know,
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Speaker 20: we see it time and time again. When something great happens,
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Speaker 20: they will take responsibility for it. And when something goes wrong,
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Speaker 20: as we've seen on both sides of the aisle, they'll
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Speaker 20: push it off onto some other poor bugger as being
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Speaker 20: their fault. So and we're all sort of stuck in
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Speaker 20: the middle, getting a little bit tired of the game. Really,
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Speaker 20: we wish we could just get some nice, solid information
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Speaker 20: from people, you know, a little less political bias and
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Speaker 20: maybe a little bit of a little bit of straight
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Speaker 20: talk from everyone.
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Speaker 1: It'd be kind of lovely, wouldn't they.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, way too much politicking and not enough policy, that's
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Speaker 2: for sure, and part us see through that.
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Speaker 1: But there's some politicking.
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Speaker 2: Going on Liz around Elbow's expenses our airbus Elbow.
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Speaker 1: Now, I'm a little I'm a little bit skeptical about
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Speaker 1: this sort of yard because.
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Speaker 2: It does cost a lot of money to fly around
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Speaker 2: the country in the world, staff and all that. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: but this bloke's made an art of it, and labor
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Speaker 2: are always hypocritical on this stuff.
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Speaker 1: And when you've got a cost of living crisis and a.
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Speaker 2: Capital recession, it's not when you want to be breaking
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Speaker 2: records on travel and staff entitlements.
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Speaker 9: No, But does that mean he shouldn't do his job, because,
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Speaker 9: like you say, on the other hand, you're like, this
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Speaker 9: is part of his job, traveling around the country, indeed,
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Speaker 9: traveling around the world. Just because we're not doing too
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Speaker 9: well at the moment, doesn't that mean we need.
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Speaker 6: Him to do his job even more.
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Speaker 9: I wasn't convinced by this story either, especially because it
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Speaker 9: leaned heavily on the fact that, oh, he's spent way
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Speaker 9: more than Scott Morrison did in his last year as
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Speaker 9: Prime minister. Well, COVID was still in play during morrison
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Speaker 9: last year. I couldn't fly to travel was kiboshed for
44:46
Speaker 9: that reason. So, to be honest, I think four million
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Speaker 9: all up. Isn't that extortionate and compared to years gone past,
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Speaker 9: would be quite actually average.
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Speaker 1: I think you've got to have a look at it.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff floating around the place and
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Speaker 2: flying first class and all the rest of the justin
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Speaker 2: but it is an expensive business and you can't do it.
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Speaker 2: You can't visit electorates via zoom no. No.
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Speaker 20: But it's all and it's all value, isn't it. I
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Speaker 20: mean we've talked about this before. I mean if the
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Speaker 20: PM got on a flight and went to New York
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Speaker 20: and had a sound widge at kats As Deli and
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Speaker 20: then came back and that's all he did, well, that's
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Speaker 20: one thing. But if he goes over there and meets
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Speaker 20: with the right people and there's value in it for Australia,
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Speaker 20: then that's going to cost us money. And you two
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Speaker 20: understand that incredibly. Well, it's all about what the hell
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Speaker 20: are we getting for it? And the biggest problem when
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Speaker 20: it comes to travel expenses and even staff expenses. You
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Speaker 20: won't see the Opposition having a red hot go at
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Speaker 20: the government because.
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Speaker 1: They both bloody do it.
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Speaker 20: They both overspend. And if you reached back over the
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Speaker 20: decades to what this lot have spent, what both lots
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Speaker 20: have spent. They're all at it and it's a protection racket.
45:54
Speaker 20: They never go after each other about it.
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Speaker 2: All right, that's enough of the minor issues. It's time
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Speaker 2: for us go to the issue that the whole world's
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Speaker 2: been waiting to be updated on. Forget Australian politics, Forget
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Speaker 2: that minor election they're trying to conduct in the United States.
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Speaker 2: What the world's really been interested in in? What the
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Speaker 2: hell was raygun up to at the Paris Olympics. And
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Speaker 2: she's given an interview I think it's airing tonight on
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Speaker 2: the project.
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Speaker 1: Have a look as good an explanation as you're going
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Speaker 1: to get.
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Speaker 2: I think, do you genuinely think you are the best
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Speaker 2: female breaker in Australia?
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Speaker 6: Well, I think my record speaks to that.
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Speaker 1: Is there any merit in those criticisms?
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Speaker 6: It is really.
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Speaker 1: Sad to.
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Speaker 9: Hear those criticisms and I am very sorry for, you know,
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Speaker 9: the backlash that the community has experienced. But I can't
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Speaker 9: control how people.
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Speaker 1: React, you know how.
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Speaker 2: I don't buy this Liz, you know, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I think she's having the time of her life. I
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Speaker 2: think she's going to make fame and fortune out of this.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's the best dance she's ever done.
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Speaker 2: I think she deliberately did it to be a gimmick.
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Speaker 9: Well, look, she set the whole competition up herself in
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Speaker 9: order to.
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Speaker 6: Qualify for it. She made her fiance the co She's.
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Speaker 2: Written a thesis foot on break dancing, feminism and break
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Speaker 2: dances nonsensical.
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Speaker 9: And we've seen footage of other female breakdancers in Australia
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Speaker 9: twenty times better than.
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Speaker 6: Her who didn't make it.
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Speaker 9: She won in the competition that she set up, and
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Speaker 9: she got to go to the Olympics. She owes Australia
47:37
Speaker 9: an apology for embarrassing us on the world stage.
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Speaker 6: I don't believe it is.
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Speaker 9: The whole people are being mean to me. You deserve
47:47
Speaker 9: every single bit of it.
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Speaker 2: I don't think she owes us an apology justin I
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Speaker 2: think it's entertainment gold.
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Speaker 1: I'd love to know why she did it all.
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Speaker 2: And I just want to know where she got hold
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Speaker 2: of the John Howe attracts it because I've never seen
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Speaker 2: it on the global stage.
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Speaker 20: From the yeah, I think I picked his autograph there
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Speaker 20: on this one side of it. But I'll tell you this.
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Speaker 20: She is not Look, the performance was rubbish. I think
48:13
Speaker 20: we can all agree on that. She is actually not
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Speaker 20: to blame. I blame. I blame our Olympic committee and
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Speaker 20: our Olympics selectors for picking it.
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Speaker 10: Now.
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Speaker 20: Clearly they could have looked at that and say, look,
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Speaker 20: I'm actually very good.
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Speaker 1: There'll be better people. But they let her do that.
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Speaker 1: Should have managed they let her do that.
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Speaker 20: They should have stopped her from going because it was
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Speaker 20: I mean, look, we can have fun at it, but
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Speaker 20: it was pretty embarrassing. And also think about you mentioned
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Speaker 20: the other breakdances, the other big girls in this country.
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Speaker 20: Imagine how many of them actually missed out from going because.
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Speaker 1: She got herself in the competition? Should all right, I
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Speaker 1: can't take it too seriously.
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Speaker 2: If you guys are right, If we should, there should
48:53
Speaker 2: be a national outrage over this, and we're all humiliated
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Speaker 2: and discussed and talking about it, then the trouble is
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Speaker 2: rectify this. We need to get lots and lots of
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Speaker 2: little kiddies practicing they're breaking so that we have a
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Speaker 2: better competitor next time. And I think it might be
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Speaker 2: better if we just enjoyed the lot and move on.
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Speaker 6: We've got I'm trying to move on. People keep bringing
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Speaker 6: it back up.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll make a bow.
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Speaker 2: That might be the last time we mentioned ray Gun
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Speaker 2: on this pegram.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. You never know. Something spectacular.
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Speaker 9: He's getting signed by some reality TV Joe.
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Speaker 6: You're like, we're going to see the back of it.
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Speaker 2: She'll have to have a TV show, a reality breakdancing
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Speaker 2: TV show, and she'll be.
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Speaker 1: The judge we will see.
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Speaker 6: Get me out of here.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Liz.
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Speaker 2: We'll see you back on air at ten o'clock for
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Speaker 2: the late debate Justin Smith. Great to catch up with
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Speaker 2: you again and thank you for watching right out of
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Speaker 2: time now.
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Speaker 1: Coming up next is Peter Credlin. I'll catch you tomorrow
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Speaker 1: night at five o'clock. Cheers,