Latest / The Mark Belling Podcast / Mark Belling Podcast #170: A great reckoning is coming for the big universities that promote Marxism and crank out useless doctorates (I'm looking at you, UW-Madison). On the other hand, how about the Badgers?----the football team has been resurrected. And can the leadership of the Milwaukee suburbs get any weaker or irrelevant?

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Mark Belling Podcast #170: A great reckoning is coming for the big universities that promote Marxism and crank out useless doctorates (I'm looking at you, UW-Madison). On the other hand, how about the Badgers?----the football team has been resurrected. And can the leadership of the Milwaukee suburbs get any weaker or irrelevant? · The Mark Belling Podcast

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  Speaker 2: interesting at all. but are buried inside your stories and
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  Speaker 2: you can find them. The story is about a write-in
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  Speaker 2: primary challenge to a Democratic member of the state Senate
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  Speaker 2: on JS Online. by the ubiquitous Molly Beck and Jesse O'Poin.
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  Speaker 2: Senate Minority Leader Diane Hesselbein, and Wisconsin Minority Leader is
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  Speaker 2: currently the Democrat, it's probably not for long. Senate Minority
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  Speaker 2: Leader Diane Hesselbein ran unopposed in the August primary election,
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  Speaker 2: but will now face a write-in challenger who is arguing
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  Speaker 2: that the Democratic leader is not progressive enough. to represent
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  Speaker 2: the deep blue Dane County district she represents. Nathan Kelmo,
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  Speaker 2: who is executive director of the Center for Communication and
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  Speaker 2: Civic Renewal in the School of Journalism and Communication at UW-Madison,
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  Speaker 2: is launching a writing campaign against Hesselbein that he admits
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  Speaker 2: will be a long shot. But in his view, that's
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  Speaker 2: not the entire point of his run. It's a really
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  Speaker 2: big moment to remind Democrats that when they're legislating next year,
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  Speaker 2: that they need to keep our progressive values in mind, Kelmo, 43,
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  Speaker 2: said in an interview, and that there can be real
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  Speaker 2: electoral pressure if they're not doing as well as they should,
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  Speaker 2: that a progressive can come out of the woodwork and
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  Speaker 2: really give them a challenge. Hesselbein, 55, was first elected
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  Speaker 2: to the state Senate in 2022. One long time, Senator
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  Speaker 2: John Erpenbach, he used to work for me. He hates
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  Speaker 2: that when I bring it up. It was like a
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  Speaker 2: zillion years ago. went on to become like big shot
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  Speaker 2: the democratic leader of the state senate and lefty from
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  Speaker 2: madison and all of that stuff i know he can't
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  Speaker 2: stand the fact that i bring that up but i
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  Speaker 2: bring it up anyway decided not to seek a seventh
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  Speaker 2: term she served in the state assembly for 10 years
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  Speaker 2: before that she was elected minority leader in 2023 senate
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  Speaker 2: democrats are poised to flip control of the state senate
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  Speaker 2: for the first time in more than a decade in
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  Speaker 2: the november third election hessel biden is in position to
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  Speaker 2: lead the chamber as majority leader if that happens She
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  Speaker 2: did not respond to questions for this story. Hesselbein describes
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  Speaker 2: herself on her campaign website as a progressive Democrat who
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  Speaker 2: will continue to push for more public school funding, protect
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  Speaker 2: our environment, strengthen the university system, and advocate for veterans' benefits. Calmo,
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  Speaker 2: who lives in Verona, said he sees Hesselbein as a
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  Speaker 2: more establishment Democrat compared to his history of progressive activism.
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  Speaker 2: All right, it goes on. So the part of the
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  Speaker 2: story that I need you to pick up on Isn't
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  Speaker 2: in the part that I didn't read there, but I
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  Speaker 2: gave you enough of it. So we have here is this.
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  Speaker 2: The Democrats very likely to take control of the state Senate,
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  Speaker 2: maybe the state assembly as well. Thanks to the redistricting
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  Speaker 2: they did. And the belief that many hold that this
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  Speaker 2: is going to be a big democratic year. It'll be
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  Speaker 2: the first time that they've had control of the Senate
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  Speaker 2: in about 17 years. And the Senate Democratic leader is
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  Speaker 2: running unopposed in her own district in Madison, which is very,
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  Speaker 2: very Democrat. But some lefty is running a write-in campaign
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  Speaker 2: against her, saying, I don't expect to win, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to attack her from the left because we want
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  Speaker 2: to make it clear to Diane Hesselbein and the other
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  Speaker 2: Democrats of the state Senate that when you get control here,
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  Speaker 2: we want you to govern from the far left. Now,
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  Speaker 2: in and of itself... That's kind of interesting. And it's
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  Speaker 2: an indication of if the Democrats get the legislature and
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  Speaker 2: the governorship, that they're going to be way more radical
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  Speaker 2: than people think. The pressure from the left in that
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  Speaker 2: party for them to go all out, full board California
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  Speaker 2: will be overwhelming. Because if they don't, two years later
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  Speaker 2: in 2028, they're all going to get primaries from the radicals.
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  Speaker 2: So as I say, that is in and of itself
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  Speaker 2: rather interesting. No, the guy's not going to win, so
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  Speaker 2: the fact that he's running the writing campaign, kind of dull.
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  Speaker 2: But there's a point in all of this. There's a
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  Speaker 2: story here. There's a story here that the reporter didn't
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  Speaker 2: even pick up on, but I'm picking up on. Now,
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  Speaker 2: back when I did a radio show, we would at
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  Speaker 2: this point have people calling in off the air and
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  Speaker 2: calling my producer, Paul, and saying, I know, I know,
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know him. and like none of them
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  Speaker 2: ever knew, and then eventually somebody would know. Well, here's
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  Speaker 2: the part of the story that I find interesting. It
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  Speaker 2: goes back to the second paragraph, and I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: read it again. The guy who's running the writing campaign,
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  Speaker 2: Nathan Calmo, who is executive director of the Center for
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  Speaker 2: Communication and Civic Renewal in the School of Journalism and
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  Speaker 2: Communications at UW-Madison. Why does UW-Madison need that? What is that?
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  Speaker 2: The school of journalism. You know, by definition, journalism used
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  Speaker 2: to be the reporting of the news in an objective
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  Speaker 2: and unbiased and fair fashion. So attached to the school
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  Speaker 2: of journalism is some piece of crap called the Center
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  Speaker 2: for Communication and Civic Renewal. Without knowing a damn thing
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  Speaker 2: about it, and we do know who runs it because
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  Speaker 2: that's this guy who's running the writing campaign. No knowing
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  Speaker 2: a damn thing about it. All you have to do
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  Speaker 2: is look at that title and realize that this is
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  Speaker 2: simply spending public funds to train lefty radicals. Center for
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  Speaker 2: Communication and Civic Renewal. Now, I'm all for civic renewal.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that we need to revert back to traditional
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  Speaker 2: American citizenship, but that's not what these people mean by
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  Speaker 2: civic renewal. My guess is that this is a program
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  Speaker 2: that trains people to be activists in government, but Why
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  Speaker 2: is it part of the University of Wisconsin-Madison? Why do
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  Speaker 2: we have a center in that university specifically aimed at
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  Speaker 2: training lefties? Secondly, why is it part of the School
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  Speaker 2: of Journalism? The answers to all of these questions is,
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  Speaker 2: this is what UW-Madison wants to do. This is what
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  Speaker 2: the Board of Regents gives them money for. And nobody
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  Speaker 2: has ever done a damn thing about the fact that
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  Speaker 2: we grotesquely overfund the university system with crap like this.
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  Speaker 2: When the UW system keeps crying for money, often successfully
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  Speaker 2: to Republicans, they say, look, we're underfunded and compared to
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  Speaker 2: the universities in Michigan and India and Ohio and all
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  Speaker 2: of this. But the retort isn't whether or not they
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  Speaker 2: are underfunded in the overall. It's whether or not the
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  Speaker 2: money that we are giving them is to a large
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  Speaker 2: extent either misspent or wasted. The university system, but in
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  Speaker 2: particular UW-Madison, it's filled with centers like this. It's filled
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  Speaker 2: with this glob. One of the tragedies of the Trump
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  Speaker 2: administration was the fallout, and the fallout was going to happen,
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  Speaker 2: fallout between Musk and Trump. Musk had to leave. When
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  Speaker 2: he was running Doge, it was like shooting fish in
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  Speaker 2: a barrel. just finding all the waste in the federal government.
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  Speaker 2: But Musk needed to go back to Tesla, and he
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  Speaker 2: needed to go back to SpaceX, and Musk wasn't ever
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  Speaker 2: going to be able to be somebody who could not
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  Speaker 2: be the guy that's in charge of the entire administration.
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  Speaker 2: But as somebody who runs private sector businesses that have
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  Speaker 2: to make a profit, Musk looked at government and he
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  Speaker 2: saw all of this glop here. I would love for
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  Speaker 2: the state of Wisconsin to have a Doge. And if
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  Speaker 2: Tom Tiffany gets elected governor, I would strongly encourage him
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  Speaker 2: to create a small department within his administration and do
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  Speaker 2: what we did with Doge and find somebody with time
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  Speaker 2: on his hands to kind of volunteer to be a
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  Speaker 2: part-time leader of this and hire a bunch of interns
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  Speaker 2: and techies to just go into all of the crap
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  Speaker 2: that we fund in the state of Wisconsin. So we
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  Speaker 2: know that the School of Journalism and UW-Madison, I should
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  Speaker 2: explain a little bit about universities. When you say school,
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  Speaker 2: that means that's more than just a major. Like I
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  Speaker 2: majored at UW-La Crosse in mass communication, but that was
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  Speaker 2: just a major within the department at the time of
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  Speaker 2: the College of Arts and Letters or Letters and Sciences
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  Speaker 2: or whatever it was. I don't remember what it was.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever it was. UW-Madison. It's the entire school of journalism
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  Speaker 2: and there are numerous majors, public relations and all that
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  Speaker 2: stuff underneath it. And these things always tend to sprawl.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like public schools. As many of you know,
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  Speaker 2: I scream all the time about the incredible overfunding of
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  Speaker 2: public schools and people scream, oh, no, no, no, the
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  Speaker 2: schools are underfunded. And I keep trying to explain to
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  Speaker 2: people that the overfunding is in A, facilities, and B,
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  Speaker 2: all of the staffing that they have. All you have
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  Speaker 2: to do is go to a school district website and
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  Speaker 2: look at the number of people that don't teach and
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  Speaker 2: aren't superintendents. There's all these directors of this and overseers
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  Speaker 2: of that. It's just larded down with fat and glop. Well,
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  Speaker 2: the universities are worse. The level of administration is staggering.
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  Speaker 2: The workload for professors is almost nonexistent. And again, the
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  Speaker 2: funding is so great that they take the money and
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  Speaker 2: do the things that they want to do. If we
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  Speaker 2: took the money that we gave the university and all
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  Speaker 2: of it went into teaching and it went into the
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  Speaker 2: core majors that we need to create in the society
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  Speaker 2: that we're living in, that'd be all well and good.
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  Speaker 2: But instead, we give them this money and they decide
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  Speaker 2: that we're going to create an entire center over here
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  Speaker 2: to train lefty activists. And they hire this guy who
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  Speaker 2: lives in Verona. It's Nathan Kelmo, and he's the guy
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  Speaker 2: that runs it. I could have taken the time to
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  Speaker 2: run his salary. I didn't. But any of you can.
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  Speaker 2: All of these things are public record. But my point
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  Speaker 2: in bringing up this story is that this center exists.
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  Speaker 2: It's bad enough that we've got all these lefty billionaires
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  Speaker 2: that fund all of these liberal activist groups. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Soros Bank rolls activist groups out the wazoo. They're all
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  Speaker 2: over the place. That's bad enough. But then we've got
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  Speaker 2: so many of them in government. Can you just imagine
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  Speaker 2: for a moment? You know, a couple of private universities
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  Speaker 2: might have this. Maybe Hillsdale has a couple of centers
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  Speaker 2: that are like conservative in nature. Can you imagine if
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  Speaker 2: one of the University of Wisconsin system campuses set up
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  Speaker 2: some center that pushed right-wing activists? I mean, that would
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  Speaker 2: be zeroed out in no time. Now, I demand credit
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  Speaker 2: from my audience. Somebody's got to give me credit here.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody gives me credit, so I therefore just demand that
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  Speaker 2: you get. Jason doesn't even know what he's supposed to
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  Speaker 2: give me credit for. I'm demanding credit. What do I
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  Speaker 2: deserve credit for? Yes, I'm asking you. This isn't rhetorical.
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  Speaker 2: It's a direct question. What do I deserve credit for?
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  Speaker 2: First of all, you're a talk show host. I'm guessing
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  Speaker 2: on your show this morning, you didn't do this story,
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  Speaker 2: did you? No, see? Why do I deserve credit? Calling
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  Speaker 2: out the school? No, that's what I've been doing forever
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  Speaker 2: and ever and ever. Any right-wing talk show host can
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  Speaker 2: call out university for fat and bloat. That's a no-brainer.
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  Speaker 2: Trying again. What else do I deserve credit for? I
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  Speaker 2: deserve credit for going five minutes without commenting on the
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  Speaker 2: fact that you're wearing a stupid Chicago bear shirt. Paul
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  Speaker 2: said that I went five minutes without doing so, which
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  Speaker 2: is more restraint than I would have shown. At least
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  Speaker 2: it's a neutral, it's like that stupid blue color that
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  Speaker 2: they have. By the way, until like 20 years ago,
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  Speaker 2: I always thought that was black that the Bears have.
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  Speaker 2: I just always thought that. I thought that forever and
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  Speaker 2: ever and ever. I will tell you that I have,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not colorblind, but my dark blues and blacks in
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  Speaker 2: my eyes have always been tough. I have to look
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  Speaker 2: at pants real closely to see if it That's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go back to what I deserve credit for. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to tell you what it is. Here's what I
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  Speaker 2: deserve credit for. I deserve credit for when I'm looking
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  Speaker 2: online at JS Online and seeing headlines that said, Senate
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  Speaker 2: Democratic Leader Hesselbein gets a challenge interrupt, that I read
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  Speaker 2: the story. The number of things that I crawl through
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  Speaker 2: to find content for you people. See, You wonder how
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  Speaker 2: I get, find all of this stuff and how I
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  Speaker 2: come up with all this. I have to actually dig
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  Speaker 2: in and read this. This wasn't a headline. I had
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  Speaker 2: to get into the guts of Molly Beck's latest stupid
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  Speaker 2: story to dive in and find out that this camel
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  Speaker 2: guy is running this stupid center and that it ran
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  Speaker 2: at UW-Madison. That's how I found out about it. And
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  Speaker 2: that's what I deserve credit for. Let me, now that
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  Speaker 2: I've thrown out my road hater cuff, patting myself on
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  Speaker 2: the back, let me move forward. There is a reckoning, though,
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  Speaker 2: coming on all of this for these universities. The fat
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  Speaker 2: days are over in higher education. I've been on for
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  Speaker 2: at least 10 years this point that university enrollment is crashing.
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  Speaker 2: And we're in the early stages of the crash. The
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  Speaker 2: biggest problem is demographic. It started with the millennials deciding
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  Speaker 2: that they weren't going to have kids. If you find
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  Speaker 2: a family with six or seven kids, it might be
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  Speaker 2: African American or Latino, might be Muslim. There are no
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  Speaker 2: white people having six or seven kids. There are far
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  Speaker 2: more white people having no kids. The birth rate in
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  Speaker 2: our country has crashed, for better or worse, it's crashed.
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  Speaker 2: The millennials decided to slow down on marriage and in
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  Speaker 2: many cases got married so late that they didn't have
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  Speaker 2: time to have kids or there's simply not the desire
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  Speaker 2: for the large families anymore. So the decline of A,
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  Speaker 2: the large family, and B, just the, in general, putting
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  Speaker 2: off of creating families and marriage that started with the millennials,
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  Speaker 2: the Zs may change that a bit, but we're on
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  Speaker 2: like 22 years in a row of the birth rate
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  Speaker 2: declining in the United States. So when that started 22
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  Speaker 2: years ago, those are people who were age, obviously babies
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  Speaker 2: that were zero. They're now 22. This is just going
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  Speaker 2: to accelerate. You see the same thing happening in public education,
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  Speaker 2: public schools across Wisconsin are seeing declining enrollment because there
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  Speaker 2: are fewer kids. We keep building more and more schools
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  Speaker 2: and they keep spending more and more money with fewer kids.
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  Speaker 2: But with colleges, it's going to be more profound. But
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  Speaker 2: then you add to that the fact that clearly the
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  Speaker 2: Gen Zs and the latest version of parents are questioning
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  Speaker 2: the value of a college education. The millennials as a
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  Speaker 2: group were over-colleged, if I can create a word, over-colleged.
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  Speaker 2: We sent far too many of them to college than
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  Speaker 2: positions that existed in the economy. We have, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we've talked about forever the number of positions that are
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  Speaker 2: out there that are unfilled where everybody's working at 50, 60,
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  Speaker 2: and 70 years old. In the meantime, you've got a
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: zillion people out there with all of these degrees in
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  Speaker 2: fields in which there simply aren't enough jobs for those degrees.
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  Speaker 2: And then the incredible cost of the tuition. At some
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  Speaker 2: of these private schools and universities, it can now be
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  Speaker 2: $ 90, 000 tuition and room and board and higher. After seeing
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  Speaker 2: what happened to the millennials and how so many of
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  Speaker 2: them are just choking in student loan debt and have
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  Speaker 2: a master's degree, yet they're making ends meet by doing
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  Speaker 2: DoorDash and Uber, you have a smaller group of young
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  Speaker 2: people coming forward now because... the declining birth rate and
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  Speaker 2: a smaller percentage of that smaller group saying we're going
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  Speaker 2: to go to college. So there's, as I say, a
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  Speaker 2: great record of gear. There simply aren't going to be
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  Speaker 2: as many customers. And with that, there's going to be
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  Speaker 2: a need for the universities themselves to tighten their belts.
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  Speaker 2: The public universities will continue to lobby government to keep
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  Speaker 2: raising taxes. But remember that these leftist governments are also
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  Speaker 2: spending a ton on everything else. They're facing the abyss
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: of running out of money, and at the private colleges
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: and universities, they're going to be facing a closing. I
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: talked about here in Milwaukee, the Cardinal switch closing a
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago, I think was the canary in
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: the coal mine. It was early, but I think within
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: the next 10 years, there's going to be several more.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: There's just not enough students to go around. And for
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: these colleges and universities that have all of this crap
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: in their budgets, it's going to have to be slashed.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: There's an interesting column that appeared, I think it was
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: today in the Wall Street Journal by Alicia Finley. on
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: exactly this. And in particular, she focuses on useless doctorates.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: It's bad enough that we have all these kids that
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: are duped into getting majors in women's studies or this
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: study or gender studies and all of this. Those degrees,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: there's no job to them other than to simply go
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: to a university and teach more people to be that.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: But we're creating doctorates in these fields. I want to
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: share with you Finley's column. She writes, universities across the
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: country are slashing admissions to doctoral programs and freezing faculty
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: hiring as they come under financial strain, facing a $ 160
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: million deficit at the University of Chicago. Now, the University
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: of Chicago, for those of you not aware, that's not
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: a public university. It's a highly regarded, the point of pomposity.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, you went to Northwestern, right? University of Chicago,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's four levels of snobbiness above Northwestern. I mean,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: they literally think of themselves as Harvard, right? They do, yeah.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: But okay, private school. They've got 160 million, and again,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: they've got rich graduates and alums and so on, but
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: the money that's rolling in has not been able to
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: keep up with the spending and is now, there's pressure
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: on incoming enrollment because as I say, the decline in
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: the birth rate and the decision on the part of
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: some to question the value of these incredibly expensive degrees,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: they're facing a crunch. So here's the University of Chicago,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: $ 160 million deficit. Back to Finley. The University of Chicago
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: paused admissions this year in more than a dozen PhD programs,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: including anthropology, social work, social thought. See, the very fact
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: that the University of Chicago paused has a doctoral program
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: in social thought, explains the problem. Again, this is one
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: of the ones that they're pausing. Social thought, Middle Eastern studies,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: romantic languages. Oh, it's very hard for me to resist
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: being a smartass. Romantic languages are places I go to
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: in Florida where I could be an expert in, anyway,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: and visual arts. Brown University suspended doctoral admissions for six
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: humanities and social science programs, including Egyptology and Assyriology. I'm
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: guessing Assyriology is the study of Syria. That's my guess.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: What do you think? You don't think so. It was
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: right after Egyptology. But we don't know that. Anyway, they're pausing.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: That program, quote, the university faces an urgent need to
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: address the increasing cost of supporting PhD students, which now
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: range from a total of $ 700, 000 to $ 1 million for student.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: A faculty committee reported this spring, the current costs are
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: unsustainable and are already having significant negative consequences on research
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: productivity and graduate education more broadly. All right, here we go.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Now let's get local. The University of Wisconsin-Madison isn't accepting...
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: doctoral applications this year for its social welfare program, nor
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: is the University of California, Irvine, for the history of
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: theory and music. Harvard has slashed admissions of new doctoral
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: students in various social science programs as it evaluates, quote,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: the future model of PhD education. Many college graduates pursue
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: doctorates to escape the real world. I want to give
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Alicia Finley credit. She is right on this. You wonder
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: who it is that go and get these doctorates. By
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: the way, some of them already have double masters. They
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: are professional students. They're pursuing these doctorates at the age
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: of 28, 30, 32. Somebody's carrying them financially or they're
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: taking out massive loans. The reason that you're pursuing a
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: doctorate in some of these fields is you just don't
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: want to get into the real world. And I can relate.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: I loved college. I was in no desire to get out.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: I took five years. That was in a crappy economy, though.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Four and a half, actually. Four and a half and
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: three summers. But I was going as slow as you
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: could possibly go. I mean, I got to that 128
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: credits despite doing everything I could to avoid getting there.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, you had to take a certain number to
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: remain a full-time student and so on. College is great.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Get to hang around, drink a lot. The coursework in
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: my field was kind of easy. Who wanted to get
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: out there into that real world of minimum, you know,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I was in radio. Minimum wage work, hardly any jobs
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: out there, having to work my rear end off college
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: is a great thing. But you've got a lot of
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: people right now who don't want to enter the real
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: world at all. So they just become professional students with
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: masters in this, PhDs in that. And 99.9% of these
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: programs are just training people to be academic leftists. But
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: other than, once you get that degree, other than to
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: be somebody who becomes a professor in that very thing
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: and teach others, where do you go with that degree?
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: The answer is nowhere. So some of these universities are
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: questioning whether or not we can continue this, particularly since
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: you often may have only three or four doctoral candidates
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: in the entire program, yet you've got the entire school pursuing,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: you know, Staffing and servicing, they mentioned $ 700, 000 to $ 1
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: million per year to run a Ph.D. program per student.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: For public universities, this money is coming from taxpayers. At
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: private colleges, it's coming from donors and some level of
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: government grant. Continuing back to Finley. Now, they are getting
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: a real-world education in economics. For years, universities spent with abandon...
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: expanding bureaucracies and graduate programs on the assumption that the
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: federal subsidy gravy train would continue. Federal subsidy train would
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: keep rolling, sorry. Grad students for a time served as
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: relatively cheap labor. In return for funding doctoral degrees, universities
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: generally required students to help teach undergraduates. The result, a
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: profession of PhDs in fields with little practical application. I mean,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: this has been one of my rips on UW-Madison for years.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Jason went to Northwestern a zillion years ago. Were you
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: taught by the professors or were you taught by teaching assistants?
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Mostly professors. But that, you know, you're no spring chicken.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: When I went to La Crosse, we didn't have teaching assistants,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: but you know, we've had us in the last 20
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: to 30 years. The students are, it's never a professor.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: It's a teaching assistant, maybe somebody with a master's, running
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: a lecture hall with 95 students that are sitting in
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: there so the highfalutin professor may oversee the course, but
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: they're not actually doing any teaching. And the point that's
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: made in this story is, okay, these kids get the master's,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: so they then get paid some money while they're pursuing
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the doctorate to be teaching assistants who teach the courses.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: You talk about a whole thing that's just sick. Way
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: back before Charlie Sykes has gone through many transitions. When
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: he was a lefty becoming a conservative, like 35, 40
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: years ago, he wrote a book about the slackers. I
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: think it was UW-Milwaukee. It might have been the entire
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: university system about how university professors just do not work
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: at all. This is when Charlie was still being an active,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: open-minded contributor to the advancement of thought in our society.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: It's before he became a talk show host and all
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: of that stuff. I read that book. It's one of
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: the reasons why I put him on My radio show
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: as a panelist, which started this entire, yes, I'm to blame,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: started his entire career in radio, then became a talk
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: show host on WISN radio before going to TMJ and
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: all of that stuff. So, I mean, this is not new.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: The racket that is not able to do any work
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: at all if you worked at a university because they
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: got all of the staffing going on and all of
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: this crap. And in the meantime, they're cranking out students
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: in all of these programs, in some cases getting doctorates in, well,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I won't say the whole world, in BS. I have
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: a BS in BS. Recent doctoral recipients enter a saturated academic,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: this is Finley, saturated academic labor market and struggle to
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: find work. Hiring freezes at universities have further limited academic
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: job opportunities. At long last, colleges are having to tighten
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: their belts after Republicans curbed federal student aid and pork
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: that flows to universities under the guise of supporting research.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: The result? Increasing numbers of underemployed, over-credentialed, and aggrieved young people. Now,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: I could go on. This is where the Marxism comes from.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: So here these people are. They spent all this money
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: getting all of these degrees and have all of this,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: and they have no prospect for a future at all.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: There's no jobs for them, so they figure that somehow
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: our system, the capitalist system, is to blame. As opposed
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: to the stupid choices that they made and, in their defense,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: that they were urged to make by all of these
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: universities that encouraged them to go get all of these
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: degrees in all of these completely useless fields. In the meantime,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: you know, it's different from city to city. As you know,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I spent a few months a year in Florida. There's
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: a plumbing shortage down there. You often have to wait,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: unless it's an emergency, wait days to get plumbers. Everybody
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: and his brother has been moving to Florida. But the
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: people that are moving to Florida aren't largely plumbers. They're
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: people that are retiring or the number of new people
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: coming in. I don't know if it's the case here
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: in southeastern Wisconsin, if there's a shortage, but almost any
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: of these skilled trades... You know, jobs that you have
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: to do with your hands, but you have to have
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: a fair level of sophisticated training. There's incredible shortages in this.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: But boy, oh boy, these doctorates and a seriology, whatever
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: that is, those people are flopping around all over the place.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: It's an economy that simply got way, way, way out
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: of proportion in which we've produced so many people to
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: do things that nobody needs. And we're not producing anywhere
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: near enough people to do the things for which there
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: is a significant demand. This story, though. I found this
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: story buried in the media. This is an interesting one.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Stanford University, and I find it interesting that Stanford When
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: you think of high tech in the United States, there's
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: maybe three or four universities that come to mind, but
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Stanford's one of the big ones. Stanford is right in
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Silicon Valley. Lefty university, private university, generally well-respected. What they
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: produced here was just, you know, they take photos that
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: they put online to go to Stanford, and here's a
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: picture of our students and all of this stuff. It
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: was just a photo spread, right? that Stanford put out
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: showing Stanford students sitting around and life on campus and
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: all of that. In other words, you send out a photographer,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: stamp a zillion pictures of students, and then put those
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: pictures online or on a brochure or whatever, going on forever.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Here's where the story gets fascinating. A couple of the
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: students whose photos were taken for these group shots of
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: students just sitting around doing things and so on, saw
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: the photo and they realized that their images were altered.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Quoting from Newsforce on X, Stanford used AI to alter
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: a real student photo, replacing one student with a black woman.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: and making another student appear thinner. Now, they posted the
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: actual photos here. There are three students. The one on
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: the left is a female. She appears to... I can't
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: tell what her ethnicity is. It might be Asian. It
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: might be Latino. I don't know. They don't change her.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: But then there's a guy in the middle who's a
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: little chunky. He's there, but his haircut has changed a
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: little bit, and he's thinner. And then on the right...
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: There's a white guy. But in the photo that's posted,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: he's displaced by an African-American woman wearing a Stanford shirt.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: So they used AI to throw the white guy out
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: of the actual picture and to take the chunky guy
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: in the middle and make him thinner. Now, you've got
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: to think for a moment about what would possess them
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: to go through all of the trouble to do that.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: The reason that this got caught is one of the
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: students who was part of the photo shoot that they
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: were taking for this ad then saw the ad and
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: saw he's not there, but here's an African-American woman in
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: his place. Billy Ramirez said he recognized the original photo
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: from a campus dining shoot and was stunned to see
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: himself replaced in the final ad. He said the edit
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: made him feel silenced and erased from a photo that
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: was supposed to represent actual students. So this website, Newsforce,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: they dug this up, apparently, and I don't know what
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: they are, but it must be a conservative site or
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: something or another. And the student complained to them, and
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: they've got the photos, and this kid, Billy Ramirez, he
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: actually found the original photo, and then he put up
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: the other one, and the thing was posted online, and
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: I won't say that it's viral, but it's gotten some attention.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: to the point that Stanford has been forced to apologize.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Stanford has apologized for its AI-altered student photo. Now, before
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: I get into their apology, it's been universities like Stanford,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: and in general, the left far more than the right,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: that has been trying to panic everybody for the last
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: three years about AI. that AI is going to be
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the end of the world, that AI is creating all
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: of these deep fakes and so on. And I'm telling you,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: one of the leading voices that's trying to slow down
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: the AI and sound the alarm has been Stanford. And
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: who is it that uses AI to alter reality? Stanford.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: And of course, when they do it, the reality altering
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: is to make the students, A, more attractive, and B,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: certainly less white. Stanford has apologized for its AI-altered photo,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: calling the changes a serious error in judgment. Adding, quite simply,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: this was wrong and should never have happened. The university
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: has removed the banners and launched an investigation, while the
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: other two students whose appearances were altered have filed a
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: federal civil rights discrimination complaint and demand answers. I love this.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: These students, they were not harmed. The students who had
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: their appearances altered We're not harmed. But they're going to
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: do the same thing that any lefty was doing, and
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: they're hiring lawyers, and they're going to try to file
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: a lawsuit. And again, I don't think it's a good
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: thing that people go out and create grievances and try
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: to file lawsuits. But if you see some people doing
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: it from the left to counter the radical left, excuse me,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: from the right to counter all the radical leftist idiocy
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: out there, it's fighting fire with fire. Next. This Sonny
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Hostin story. Sonny Hostin is, you know, I used to
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: go over this with Paul. Who's the most annoying panelist
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: on The View? It's an impossible question to answer. Or
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: it's just a great debate because there is no wrong answer.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, the one that sits off to the far
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: right is the least annoying. The one that used to
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: work for Trump. I don't even know if she's still
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: on there. Then Alyssa, whatever. Yeah, she's the least. But
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: of the other three. of Behar Whoopi and Sonny Hostin.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: It is impossible to decide who's the most annoying of
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: the three. It's the ultimate close call. In horse racing,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: we call it a photo finish or a dead heat. Well,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Sonny Hostin, she's the one who, as she tells you,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: every time she... By the way, I don't watch this show.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: These people are just so omnipresent on social media, and
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: it's always... What I find out about them is always
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: the reporting that they do or the stuff that they say,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: That is so outrageous that it makes a deal. Now,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Sonny Hassett is just off this thing where she intervened
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: on behalf of her 27-year-old son who was walking on
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: the railroad tracks trying to stop him from being able
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: to get a ticket for jogging on the railroad tracks
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: or whatever. There are many people wondering why he was
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: hanging around the railroad tracks. But she went down there
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: and she's throwing her weight around trying to have him
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: get out of the ticket for this. Now, here's the thing.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: The Lindsay Clancy case. So the holdout juror. So Sonny
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Hostin goes on The View and talks about a really
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: famous trial from New York back in 1991. I don't
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: remember it myself, but I remember the name of the trial.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: It was a famous cannibalism case. The guy was pleading
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: not guilty on the basis of insanity. He was accused
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: of eating his victims. That was the same general era
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: as the Dahmer case in Milwaukee. Dahmer was a couple
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: of years earlier. I think Dahmer was 89 or 90.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: You know, Dahmer was eating his victims. There's a case
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: in New York that weren't as many victims. Dahmer was
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: a mass murderer, but this guy was accused of being cannibal.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: And because it was in New York, it was obviously
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: a giant case. They ended up with a hung jury
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: because one juror accepted his argument that he wasn't culpable
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: because he was insane. Sonny Hosted has just come out
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: and said she was that juror. And she brings this up,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: you know, in the context of the Lindsay Clancy thing,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: because the notion of a holdout juror is now a
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: thing to talk about. I don't think there's anybody on
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: the planet who has a better BS detector than me.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: The problem with it is I get false positives. I
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: am rarely suckered, but there are many times in which
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: something legitimate is going on and I just think that
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: it's phony because I'm so cynical and suspicious. I remember
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: when I first heard this. My BS detector, which is
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: implanted in my oversized nose, I mean, it was twitching
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: worse than Samantha on Bewitched. Bewitched before your time or
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: do you remember Bewitched? Yeah, see, you don't know. There's
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: just like a thing. Like for baby boomer kids like me,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: there was just like a weird sexual thing with Elizabeth Montgomery.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like 37% of young baby boomer males
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: were infatuated with Elizabeth Montgomery. Then she went on and
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: had a tragic life and death and the whole thing. Anyway,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: she was a witch, but she was kind of an
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: attractive witch and She was married to a husband who
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: turned out to be gay, and then they replaced him
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: and put a different guy on. It's a very odd show.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: She would twitch her nose to do her witchcraft. So
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: that's what happens. That's how my BS detector goes off.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: It's my nose and Slimmy Huston saying, I'm the holdout juror.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Here's why I didn't buy it. These women on The
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: View are the most attention-starved divas of all time. There
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: is zero chance that if she was the holdout juror
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: in a prominent case, that she would not have been
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: shooting her mouth above about that for the last 35 years.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Suddenly now she brings this up? Well, guess what? My
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: BS detector was correct. The New York Post, which is
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: the last remaining great newspaper in New York, has dug
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: into this story and they've built a strong case that
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Sonny Hostin is lying about this. What is true is
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: she was on the jury. But they went back and
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: they found reporting done at the time. And the holdout
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: juror was described as being a male. And other jurors describe,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: you know, after the trial is over, the jury is
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: allowed to talk. And other jurors described who the holdout was,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: and they all said that it was a man. It
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: gets even better. Do you know who one of the
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: jurors was that was talking about the holdout who was
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: a male? Sunny Hostin. They found a quote. Her actual
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: name is Asuncion. I always wondered where she got that
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: name Sunny from, but Asuncion is her real name. Asuncion Cummings.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Juror Asuncion Cummings, Hostin said, yes, we believe he did it.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: In other words, she's saying we believe that the guy
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: was guilty. I believe he butchered the body and almost
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: committed the perfect crime. He knew what he was doing.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: So Sonny Hostin was interviewed at the time and said
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: the guy was guilty. So she not only wasn't the
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: holdout juror, somebody else was. And now 35 years later,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: she simply lies about the whole thing. And again, for
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: what reason? And that's the part of the story that's
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: interesting to me. Why would you make that up? Why
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: does anybody make anything up? Why do people BS? I
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: find that people BS and lie because they're insecure. But
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Sunny Hostin doesn't need to be insecure. She's the diva.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: She's the best looking of the three battle axes on
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: the left, which I'm telling you is an easy competition
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: to win. She's a star. She's making her fortune. She's
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: got the big hair out there. She's a lawyer. Star
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: in Manhattan. What would she be insecure about? Why does
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: she need to make this up? And here's the answer
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: to this. It's like when, as a guy, you'll come
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: across guys who try to claim they make a lot
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: of money, and you just never know that they do.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: In my experience, with the exception of Trump, people who
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: are wealthy lie about their money downward. The people who
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: lie about their money upward are the people who don't
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: have much money. Or, I used to have all of
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: these girlfriends. Or, I did this. Or, when I was
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: in high school. The internet has allowed us to debunk
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: some of those things, but we've all seen BSers. The
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: reason they make these things up is they just don't
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: feel as though they can impress anybody with who they
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: actually are. A cousin to this, and we see it
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: in the podcast and talk show host world, are people
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: who make up their positions. Sadly, I think that this
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: is what's happened to Tucker Carlson. I don't know where
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Tucker's beliefs end and his fakery starts, but there are
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: too many things that he's been saying lately that are
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: just completely contradictory to stuff that he was saying only
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. You can change your mind
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: on a couple of things, but what a transformation he's had,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: and it all started when Trump and the war with
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Iran began, and Trump had his break with Tucker on that,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: and suddenly Tucker's invented opposition to almost everything that Trump
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: or Republicans are doing right now. And he's clearly staking
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: out new ground here, anti-Jewish ground, anti-Trump ground, in order
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: to find more of an international audience, whatever. So there's
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: a reason for it. I think that sadly, Megyn Kelly's
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: done the same thing. We know that one of the
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: greatest opportunists of all time went and betrayed her former friend,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk, and is out there accusing, alleging vaguely that
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Charlie's widow had him killed. It's all just to get
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: views and to get, these aren't sincere beliefs that people hold.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: And I suspect Sunny Austin figured she'd make a splash
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: and get a little bit of attention off of it.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: But again, as I say, in the Internet age right now,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: it's pretty easy to go back and check almost anything
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: prior to the Internet. You'd have to manually go to
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: the public library or whatever to go to news clips
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: back at the time to find quotes from a story
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: from 35 years ago. My own belief is one of
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: the reasons... I've been successful in my career is that
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I haven't done this. I just think it catches up
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: to you over time. In my case, if my audience
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: thought I was BSing, I wouldn't have lasted. There are
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: people who have ridden through disagreeing with me on this, that,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: or the other thing. Because they agree with me on
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: most things and they're willing to put up with the
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: disagreements on the other things because they felt this is
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: what I actually believe. So it's not that I'm such
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: a high moral and wonderful person that I'm not hosing
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: and BS and making stuff up. I don't think it
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: would be wise in my career to do so. And
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: I think for some of these people that is changing
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: their positions right and left on issues right now. I
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: think in the long run, it's going to backfire on them.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: While Megyn Kelly is getting additional clicks for being anti-Israel
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: and anti-Trump right now, she's lost so many people who
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: realize that she's never been sincere. I'd say the same
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: thing for Tucker. If the people who listen to you
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: don't think you're leveling with them, In the case, though,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: of the women on The View, I think that the
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: entire left just makes stuff up so often anymore and
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: they feign outrage and they invent positions that they're not
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: bothered when anybody else does. They don't have any actual beliefs. Finally,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: this story. I was just talking about the Cannibalism case
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: in New York, Sonny Hostin claiming she was the holdout juror.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Another horror movie reference, Silence of the Lambs. Did you
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: see Silence of the Lambs? You didn't. I did, but
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, I only remember it was Anthony Hopkins. It
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: was loosely based. I mean, we don't even know how much.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, there was a case from Wisconsin, the Ed
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Gein case. There were components of various... awful things that occurred.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: There was a couple of Hitchcock movies that were tied
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: into this anyway. Silence of the Lambs. This isn't a
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: horror case that I'm using it as a reference to.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: It's my description of suburban Milwaukee leaders. There is a
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: story right now going on. here in southeastern Wisconsin that
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: deeply affects residents of the rather close-in Milwaukee suburbs. And
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: unless I've missed something, every one of their leaders has
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: been AWOL on this. Now, Over the years, I've commented
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: on this phenomenon quite a bit. One of the reasons
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: why Milwaukee runs roughshod over the region in southeastern Wisconsin
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: is Milwaukee leaders, be they the mayor or, let's say,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: the county executive like Crowley, they understand that it's very
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: easy to get the region to pay for Milwaukee's crap.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: So for example, when Milwaukee wants to do a mass
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: transit project or really any type of project, they do
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: everything that they can to get the entire county or
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: even beyond the county to pay for it. They have
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: opposed economic development projects that occur outside the city of Milwaukee.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: But what almost never happens is you never get suburban
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: leadership speaking up to defend the suburban point of view.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: The reason for this, in my opinion, is most suburban
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: mayors are extremely weak, many of them are part-time, and
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: they are very insular in their views of their positions.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: I won't grab any particular community. I mean, the guys
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: had a very odd year anyway, but let's just take Brookfield. Ponto,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: the mayor of Brookfield, never comments at all, in my experience,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: on things that affect Brookfield that are occurring outside of Brookfield.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: You can say this about many of the other mayors
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: in southeastern Wisconsin. Paul Farrell, the late county board, county
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: executive in Waukesha County, he would do this to some extent.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: I would prod Paul. on a number of issues in
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: which there were things that were going on with regard
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: to economic development or other regional issues where Milwaukee was
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: trying to mandate its radicalism on everyone else. Transit issues
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: were a big one, a number of others. And Farrell
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: would speak out. Now, Paul passed away. There is no
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: county executive in Waukesha County right now. There's an administrator.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: And Waukesha County has been just AWOL on this issue
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: as well. Here's the issue. The Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewerage District
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: provides sewage service for the entire region. This is a
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: little complicated. This story has been going on forever and
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: ever and ever going back to sewer wars. MMSD consists
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: of Milwaukee and several other member communities. Those member communities
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: tend to be the very close in suburbs, but communities
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: then beyond the close in suburbs, like some of those
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: in Waukesha County, They're not members of MMSD, but they
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: contract with MMSD. Kind of complicated. So again, MMSD is
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Milwaukee and then Whitefish Bay, Tosa, a handful of the other, Greenfield, Braindale.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: That's MMSD. But then Menominee Falls, New Berlin, Brookfield, not
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: sure of all of them. They also send their sewage
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: to MMSD. They're not members, but they contract to do it.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: So in other words, they all have skin in this game.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: MMSD is privatized. The Sewerage District contracts its operations out
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: to a private contractor that operates on a 10-year contract.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: The 10-year contract is up. The company for the last
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: 20 years has been Veolia. Its most recent 10-year contract
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: is up. And MMSD is awarding the contract for the
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: next 10 years to a company called Jacobs. Every indication
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: I have is that Jacobs is incompetent. Jacobs is being
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: run out of the city in a city back in
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Rhode Island, much smaller than Milwaukee. That community claims that
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Jacobs has been completely incompetent with the operation of the
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: wastewater treatment system. Jacobs is coming into a community in
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: which it's simply not prepared to handle a an operation
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: of the size of the one that it has in Milwaukee,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: and with a track record of failure in other communities.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: The reason that MSD is choosing Jacobs is a bunch
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: of leftists have not been happy with the social justice
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: insufficiencies of Veolia. An outfit called Common Ground, which is
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: a bunch of Milwaukee socialist activists, have been pushing to
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: get rid of Veolia. So in comes Jacobs. They put
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: in a competing contract. In order to get the deal,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Jacobs had to agree to not cooperate with ICE on anything.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, what does ICE have to do with, I mean,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: what does that agency, ICE, have to do with sewage treatment? Nothing.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: So that's the basis on which this decision is made.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: So we're going to end up with having a 10-year
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: operation in which the company that's in charge of operating
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: the sewage system for the entire region is going to
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: be run by an incompetent leftist hack company, and not
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: one suburban official is saying a damn thing about it.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: They must not think it's their jobs, even though, as
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: I say, some of these suburban mayors are members of MMSD,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: and then you've got the others that contract with MMSD.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: But when MMSD pukes the crap into Lake Michigan and
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: the Milwaukee and Menominee Rivers because of the overflows... That
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: affects all of us who live in southeastern Wisconsin. I
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: would argue it affects everybody in Wisconsin and Michigan when
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: we follow Lake Michigan with these massive sewage dumps. The
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: MMSD deep tunnel system is flawed. So there are going
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: to be sewage dumps. We had sewage dumps with Veolia
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: and we had sewage dumps with the predecessor to Veolia.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: But my fear is that when Jacobs comes in, they
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: are not going to be able to manage The complicated
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: system that we have of when is the deep tunnel
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: filling up so much that you've got to make the
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: decision to start doing a partial discharge where you start
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: releasing partially treated sewage, or then the total discharge, just
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: let it all run out. In addition to that, the
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: system's really complicated. We have zillions of release points along
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: the water that they can release this stuff. To ask
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: a company, that can't even run a rinky-dink operation in
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Rhode Island to take over an operation like this in Milwaukee.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, I always say I could be
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: proven wrong on this. Just like I said with regard
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: to the Crowley, there's a chance one in a trillion
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be wrong about this, and actually lots
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: of people will riot it. I rarely am. The Jacobs
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: decision is going to be a disaster, and it's happening,
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: as I say, with zero commentary from any of the
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: leaders of the suburban communities. They're simply letting Milwaukee make
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: this disastrous decision. as suburban mayors sit on their asses,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: which is the perpetual position of some of them. In
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: the case of the communities who, you know, they went
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: to court over their taxation without representation in which, when
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: they built the deep tunnel in Milwaukee, MMSD came up
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: with a way to overcharge these suburban communities for the
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: construction of the deep tunnel, which isn't even in the suburbs.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: It's only in the city. And they lost on this. And,
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: you know, back then they called it sewer wars. The
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: suburban communities at the time then were very, very worried
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: about the whole MMSD thing. And since then, MMSD taxes
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: them to death. People have tended to look the other
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: way because for the last 20 years, Jacobs has done
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: a reasonably good job, occasional sewage dumping, occasional problems, but
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Most people have felt that they were doing the best
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: they could with a badly designed system that they were
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: forced to take over. Excuse me, Veolia. Veolia has been
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: the current operator. The new company, Jacobs, I have no
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: faith in based on the reasons they were chosen. They
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: were chosen for reasons having nothing to do with water
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: treatment and everything having to do with leftist politics. And
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: can you get a suburban mayor to raise an even
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: peep of concern about this? Can't be bothered. You're listening
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: to the Mark Belling Podcast. This is the Mark Belling Podcast.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: We have been all over the map today. All right.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: We're continuing going all over the map. A commentary from
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: the grave. Some of you may have heard of Bishop Sheen.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: You might have heard of him because he was in
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: the news recently. He's long dead. Fulton J.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Sheen.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Was an American Roman Catholic bishop who, believe it or not,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: had in the 1950s one of the highest rated programs
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: on American television. You know, when TV was just starting,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: the networks didn't know what was going to work and
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: what didn't work. And, you know, there was classical music
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: that was on there. There were news programs that were
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: on there. But also, you know, I Love Lucy and
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: the Honeymooners were on. They started to do Westerns. Bishop
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Sheen did a 30-minute program in which he just talked
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: to the camera. I mean, I just can't imagine this happening.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: And he's in one of the major networks. And it
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: was an enormous hit. He was incredibly influential. The world
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: we live in now, which has just turned up its
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: nose at anything religious, it probably wouldn't have happened. But
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Fulton Sheen was an enormous, I think, this was, by
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: the way, before my time, I remember as a little kid,
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: and when I say little, I mean like five, My
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: grandmother would talk about him and seeing him somewhat on TV,
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: but I can't say that I ever sat and watched
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: one of his things. The homilies and the programs that
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: he did, some of them survived that are on YouTube anyway.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: He was just canonized or beatified, I think is the term,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: by the Roman Catholic Church, which is a process related
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: to sainthood. This quote, dug up from Fulton Sheen, it
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: is so relevant today. Whenever a civilization begins to die
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: morally or spiritually, now understand, he said this 70 years ago.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Whenever a civilization begins to die morally or spiritually, it's
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: almost like he's a prophet. Isn't that a description of
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: us now? Again, he's saying this 70 years ago. Whenever
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: a civilization begins to die morally or spiritually, then spiritually,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: there begin to appear vultures, and that is the nature
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: of communism in the world. Communism is the scavenger of
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: decaying civilizations. It makes its way into a county and
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: a culture only when that culture begins to rot from
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: the inside. You know, whether you're a believer or not,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: people will find these statements made by Old Testament prophets
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: in the Bible and amazing that they seem to have
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: come true, you know, a thousand years later, either in
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: the New Testament or times beyond. He said this at
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: a time that America pretty much despised communism. This was,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: you know, the 50s. It was after McCarthyism. I mean,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: there's this unified belief on the part of all Republicans
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: and Democrats that communism was terrible. And he was talking
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: here primarily about what was happening in Europe, where communism
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: was taking hold in Eastern Europe and had taken hold
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: of the Soviet Union. I'm sure he was expressing some
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: concern over, you know, the leftist threat of the United
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: States back then, which is nothing like what it was now.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: But his comment just seems so prescient. You see where
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: we are right now. We certainly seem to have died
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: morally with the abandonment of so many of our values,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: and certainly spiritually. And what does he say happened? When
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: this happens, when we've lost our moral and spiritual compass,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: the vultures come in. And he uses the term vultures.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: What do vultures fly over? They're waiting for you to die.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: They're seeing a country morally and spiritually, the vultures. And
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: that is the nature of communism in the world. Communism
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: is the scavenger of decaying civilizations. Is Mamdani the scavenger
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: of the dying civilization of our major cities? I'd say so.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: It makes its way into a county and a culture
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: only when that culture begins to rot from the inside.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: I bring this up in the context of a new
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: survey that is out of Democrats in the United States.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Turley, the law professor who is often on Fox News,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: has written a lengthy essay on this. I'm not going
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: to read his essay, but I'm going to take out
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: one paragraph. A new survey found that 59% of Democrats
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: would favor a military coup to remove Donald Trump from office.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: All it took was four years out of power for
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: these Democratic voters to embrace a coup d'etat to negate
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: the results of the last election. Now, let me interject.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: The people, and again, I've always told you with regard
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: to the left, the thing that they accuse us of,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: it's always what they're doing. They keep talking that, you know,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: Trump was a threat to democracy. Here they are. 59%,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: according to the survey, would support a coup. What's a coup?
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: The military coming in and taking out an elected official.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: That's what a coup is. They would support a coup
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: to displace the person who won the election. Continuing, the
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: survey also shows the same overwhelming support for socialism in
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: the new Democratic Party. What is surprising is the support
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: for public ownership of industries. That includes almost half, 46%
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: supporting public ownership and operation of grocery stores. Almost 40%
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: support public ownership and operation of restaurants. So we've gone
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: from 15 to 20 years ago A few people still
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: thinking that it's good for the government to run the
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: post office, even though, you know, the post office is
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: sort of privatized. It's a government-created monopoly. It's part of
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: the federal employee pensions, et cetera. To now, half the
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: Democrats in the United States saying the government should own
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: the restaurants, the government should own the grocery stores, the
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: government should own everything, which, of course, is out-and-out total socialism.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: This has happened with such warp speed, and I'm here
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: to tell you why it's happened so quickly. I've been
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: on this point for the last maybe five to ten years.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: Democrats do as they're told. The most telling example was
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: this recent primary election for governor of Wisconsin. Hong had
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: the election won. Every other Democrat had cratered. Nobody was anywhere.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: Crowley had dropped out of the race he was doing
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: so terribly. The Democratic establishment tried to make Sarah Rodriguez
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: the alternative to Francesca Hong, a Marxist. And it turned
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: out that Sarah Rodriguez's campaign statements were filled with lies,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: and she didn't have any money and was claiming that
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: she did, and she had to drop out of the race.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: So the only way to stop Hong was to dig
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: Crowley back out of the grave, which Tony Evers did.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: And for two weeks, they ran commercials all over the
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: state in which Evers told Democrats to vote for Crowley.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: And by a narrow margin, they did. So a guy
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: that none of them wanted, they all went and turned
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: and voted for because Tony Evers told them to. This
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: is how Democrats are. When they're told something is their position,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: it becomes their position when it never was before. 20
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: years ago, how many Democrats thought that boys should be
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: able to compete in girls' sports? Like, none. 20 years ago,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: how many people thought that Boys should be able to
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: use girls' bathrooms in school just by claiming they're a girl. None.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: You can come up with, 30 years ago, how many
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: Democrats said that they were socialists? 3%, 5%? When you
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: see such rapid change of opinion, it means that they
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: simply don't come up with any positions on their own.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: They're told that these are the things that they should
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: believe in, and they all fall in line. They lack
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: the ability to think. This is why they place such
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: trust in their, quote, experts. Because they've given up on
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: thinking that they have any answers for anything. They simply
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: wait for someone else to tell them what the answers were.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: They didn't know what to do about COVID. So when
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: a bunch of public health quacks and Fauci told them
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: everything wrong to do, they went and embraced all of
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: it because they didn't know themselves. So how do I
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: explain this move towards socialism? They've been told by leftists
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: to be socialists. but nobody's told them not to be.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: The regular old Democrat party has had no voices stand
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: up and tell their people not to be Marxist. How
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: many Democrats are standing up and saying it's ridiculous for
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: men to play women's sports? None of them. How many
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: Democrats are even exposing the scam that went on in
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Minnesota where Ilhan Omar and the Somalis went and stole
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: all the social services money None of them. So if
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: you've got a mass of people, Democrats, who only do
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: what they're told, and they're only being told the one
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: thing that no one's countering it, what do you think
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: is going to happen? They've all become Marxists because nobody
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: is telling them from within their own party not to
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: be Marxists. The capitalist, pro-democracy, pro-American wing of the Democratic
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: Party has been silent to the point that they're so
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: silent that they cease to exist. And the entire mass
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: of the party, it's again, not all of it, 59%
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: though now say that they'd be willing to support a
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: coup to get rid of Trump. That they lack the
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: patience to ride out four years. As for the actual
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: remaining more centrist Democrats. For you Democrats that are listening
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: to me that actually you're not socialist, you're pro-capitalist, you're
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: kind of the old bull construction trades kind of Democrat,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, you don't want to hear this.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: There's only one place for you to go. You've got
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: to become Republicans. Now, the problem for the Republicans is
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: if these centrist Democrats come on over here, that means
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: that they're going to be the left of what exists
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: in the Republican Party. You're going to have a lot
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: of Susan Collins types joining us from the Democrats. But
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: for the Democrats that are out there, the alternative is
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: you're going to have to join the constantly bickering Republican Party,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: which has every faction imaginable arguing about everything, or You
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: can simply play follow the leader and become communist. There's
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: no other place for you to go. You're going to
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: have to pick which of the two. Either you're going
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: to be part of a communist party, or you're going
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: to join this big argumentative mess that we have over
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: here on the right called republicanism. But there's no other
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: alternative for a democrat who actually believes in all of
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: the things that democrats believed in until 25 or 30
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: years ago. some quick analysis of the situation in Iran.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: We're right now approaching the end of September. Trump keeps
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: trying to get the Iranians to agree to something that
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: ends the war. The Strait of Hormuz is the sticking point.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: The Iranians keep, I think, resisting an agreement because they
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: want the war to continue, because they believe that the
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: war is unpopular in the United States, and they believe
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: that by continuing the war, the Republicans will sustain significant
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: losses in the midterms. I believe this is what the
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: Iranians are thinking. They think that Trump is drastically weakened
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: if the Democrats get control of the Congress. So they're
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: going to drag this out and drag this out no
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: matter how bad the economic situation is in Iran. The
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: Iranians think that Trump has to make a deal now
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: in order to bring down gas prices before the midterms.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: That's what the Iranians think. I think that's their position. Well,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: as you know, I'm smarter than most people. I think
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: they're miscalculating here. Let's imagine they do this. Let's imagine
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: the Iranians don't agree to anything. Or they do a
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: head fake and say, okay... The Strait of Hormuz, where
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: everybody can go through and do what they want, and
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: this is the end of that, and we're back off
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: the nuclear program, and you'll end the economic sanctions. Let's
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: imagine they do the alternative in which they simply keep
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: dragging this out. And the midterms come and the Democrats
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: make gains. Again, look at this now from the perspective
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: of the Iranians. Imagine it's mid-November and the Democrats just
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: shellacked the Republicans. Do you think Trump is going to
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: be in any position to deal with the Iranians then?
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: The Iranians have to understand that their leverage is with
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: Trump now. After the election, you may have a Democratic Congress,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: but Trump's still going to be the president. That Congress
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: may try to cut off funding and so on, but
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: Trump has a lot of leverage as president and actions
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: that he can take. And he's also going to have
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: two months before the new Democratic Congress is sworn in.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I think that Trump will go wild
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: in terms of bombing them. I think he'll take the
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: civilized areas of Iran and just flatten them. The only
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: leverage that they have in terms of ending the war
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: with Trump is now before the elections. A Trump untethered,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: a lame duck Trump with two years prior to the
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: next election and him not on the ballot. He had
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: zero incentive after that point to deal with Iran nicely
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: at all. And every incentive to simply make their lives
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: more miserable than ever. So I think that the Iranians
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: are misplaying this. And I think it's in the Iranian interest.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: not only in terms of just stabilizing their own country,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: we have no clue as to how close that country
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: is to revolt, and also to get out of this
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: and maintain some economy by being able to sell their
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: own oil again and unfreeze their finances, to cut a
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: deal with Trump now, because I'm just telling you, I
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: don't think Trump makes any deal with them at all
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: after the election, because he doesn't have any reason to
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: after the election. In fact, after this election, Trump doesn't
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: have any reason to appease anyone. And finally, this story.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: Jordan Love's wife had her stuff stolen at Lambeau Field.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, as if the Packer game could not have
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: been worse. Veronica Stone Love, the wife of Packer quarterback
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: Jordan Love, said, She had a bunch of items that
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: she really cares about, and they were in a small
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Chanel bag. And she had her entourage, and she said
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: somebody else is carrying the bag as they were going
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: from one place to another. And apparently, the small bag,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: which included her ID and some other things, it didn't
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: get into the bigger bag that a fan was taking
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: and somebody stole it. Somebody must have reached into the
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: bag and swiped the stuff as they went from one
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: place to another. She made a video on TikTok, and
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: she is appealing. To whomever did this, to turn it
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: in or come forward because she says that there are
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: items in there that are of value to her. Let
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: me quote here. I know there's worse things happening in
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: the world. It's one of those my diamond earring. Kim,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: there's people that are dying. Yeah, I get it. Stone
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: Love said, referring to a Keeping Up with the Kardashians clip.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, it's something that I
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: cared a lot about. She talked about how losing the
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: camera hurts and taking pictures is one of her favorite
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: game day activities. I've always got my camera on me
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: and I'm always taking photos and they're just gone. So
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: if you guys see that roaming around the streets of
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: Green Bay, a Sony camera and a vintage Chanel purse,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: just know it's mine. Or if it randomly pops up online,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: just know that it's mine. I don't know if anybody
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: will turn it in or not. I mean, there was
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: a time in which I know this sounds really corny,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: and I got a Bear fan who was producing my program.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, there was a time in which
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: people wouldn't steal anything at Lambeau Field. I'm just telling you,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: there was a sense with regard to Packer fans that
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: this place was a shrine, and I think that the
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: entire world is just more coarsened. I still think if
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: a fan leaves something behind at Lambeau Field, the overwhelming
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: majority of Packer fans will take it to lost and
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: found or find security and try to turn it turn
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: it in, and they wouldn't steal it. I wish that
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: the Packers were playing the Bears and not whoever it
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: was that beat the hell out of Atlanta, because then
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: we can claim that it was a Bear fan that
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: sold the stuff. But the reality is it was probably
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: a Packer fan. And just the general depravity of somebody
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: taking somebody else's stuff because they see something sitting there.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: It's another reflection, I just think, on the loss of
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: any moral compass we have in our world. Maybe somebody
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: will turn it in, or maybe whatever family member was
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: carrying the bag around misplaced it, and it'll still turn up.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: But in addition to everything else that happened terribly with
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: the Packers, Jordan's love wife, Jordan Love's wife got her
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: stuff stolen. You're listening to the Mark Belling Podcast. This
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: is the Mark Belling Podcast. All right, let's cover sports.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: There's just a lot. What a wild sports weekend. I'll
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: start with the Brewers. Without regard to the postseason, this
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: is an extraordinary story. 103 wins. You could say it's fluky,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: but it's not. It's either eight of the last nine
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: or nine of the last ten years that the Brewers
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: have made the postseason. It's the second year in a
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: row that they won the National League Central Division by
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: double-digit games. The 103 wins, though, I think is it
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: five more than they've ever had in the team's history?
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: There's two seasons in most sports, but with regard to baseball,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: the regular season is so long. It's 162 games. It's
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: obviously a greater measure of overall excellence than the postseason.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: So you play all of these games to determine where
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: you are in the postseason and whether or not you
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: make the postseason and what your seeding is. And then
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: you go into, in the case of the wildcard teams,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: A three-game series and your season's over. In the case
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: of the Brewers, they'll have a five-game series that will
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: start Saturday, and then the season's over. I don't have
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: a lot of optimism about the postseason. I just think,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: in general, the postseason in baseball is kind of fluky,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: that any of the 12 teams have a chance of
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: winning the thing. I worry about whether or not the Brewers'
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: pitching can withstand the postseason. I worry that some of
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: the arms may be a little bit tired out. On
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: the other hand, this team has managed to win 103 games.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: The point that I want to make is without regard
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: to the postseason, this was an extraordinary Brewer season. I mean,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: the baseball season is so long. They start playing in March.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: We're at the end of September. This is six months
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: worth of games that we've been able to watch as
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: fans and enjoy. And it's an extraordinary story that this
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: franchise in a small market with a below average payroll hits...
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: been able to be so dominant year in and year
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: out in the regular season. There's just a big story
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: in the media about Reds fans demanding to know why they,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: almost identical size market Cincinnati to Milwaukee, almost identical size payroll,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: why their team always sucks and the Brewers are always
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: so dominant. Well, if it was that simple, every other
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: team would know it. And the teams that spend way, way,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: way more, like the Mets, would also wonder how it
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: is that a team like the Brewers with far less
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: money to spend can be so successful. In the end,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: it's because you make good decisions and you've hired talented
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: people and they evaluate athletes very well and you develop
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: a culture of winning. Still, it was quite the regular season.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: My guess is, once again, they're going to play the Cubs.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: The Brewers will play the winner of the Cubs Padres series,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: which starts Tuesday night in San Diego. Everybody gets mixed
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: up on the baseball thing. All three games are in
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: San Diego. San Diego has a better seating than the Cubs.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: I think the Cubs are going to win that series.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: San Diego is hotter, but I think the Cubs are
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: going to win. I don't know if just because I'm
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: paranoid over the Cubs, I think they're going to win.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: if it comes down to the Brewers and the Cubs again,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: for the last two years, the Brewers have had the
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: Cubs number. I don't know a single Brewer fan that
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: wants to play the Cubs. They'd all rather face San
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: Diego or anyone else. And it's not even, usually you
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: just look at this and you're usually wrong. Who is,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: you know, when the Brewers were knocked out by Arizona
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, Arizona was the team that
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: they wanted to play. They seemed like a team that
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: should have been in the playoffs. Well, they ended up
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: knocking you out. Usually you try to size up the
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: team that you think would be easier to beat. And
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  Speaker 2: on its face, you might say that the Cubs would
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  Speaker 2: be easier to beat than San Diego. San Diego had
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  Speaker 2: a better record. San Diego ends the season hotter than
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  Speaker 2: they are. I just think most Brewer fans would rather
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  Speaker 2: play San Diego because they are terrified of losing to
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  Speaker 2: the Cubs. No matter how much we've dominated them or
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  Speaker 2: the fact that we knocked them out of the playoffs
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  Speaker 2: last year, there's just this sense that the Cubs fans
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  Speaker 2: are going to be so insufferable about it that we
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  Speaker 2: don't want to And again, the way the wildcard thing works,
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  Speaker 2: it just always seems that we end up playing the
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  Speaker 2: Cubs at this. I've got a Cub fan in here.
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  Speaker 2: In addition to being a Bear fan producing the show,
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  Speaker 2: do you have optimism they're going to beat San Diego?
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  Speaker 2: He says it's total to us. Yeah, I mean, Jason
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  Speaker 2: just said with the Cubs, it comes down to hitting.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't like the Cubs bullpen. San Diego's been hotter.
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  Speaker 2: All of that is true. A couple of stats here.
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  Speaker 2: The Brewers were second in all of baseball in runs scored,
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  Speaker 2: which is remarkable given their lack of power. The team
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  Speaker 2: that was number one is the Cubs. The Cubs are
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  Speaker 2: the best offensive team in baseball because the way you
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  Speaker 2: measure offense is run score. You can go into home
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: runs and batting average and on-base percentage. In the end,
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  Speaker 2: offense is how many runs you score, and the Cubs
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  Speaker 2: scored more runs than anybody in baseball. The Brewers were second.
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  Speaker 2: The Brewers were also second in fewest runs allowed. So
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  Speaker 2: the Brewers had the second best hitting and the second
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  Speaker 2: best pitching. The only team that gave up fewer runs
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  Speaker 2: this season was the Dodgers. So the Dodgers had the
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: best pitching in baseball. The Brewers second. The Cubs had
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: the best offense. The Brewers second. Now you combine the two,
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  Speaker 2: you would say, therefore, the Brewers are the best team
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  Speaker 2: of all. And indeed, by far, they had the best
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  Speaker 2: record in baseball. But the postseason is a separate thing
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  Speaker 2: because there's a possibility of this being the Cubs series.
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  Speaker 2: The Brewers are creating all of these obstacles to try
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  Speaker 2: to stop people who aren't season ticket holders, are buying
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  Speaker 2: tickets for the series. If it becomes San Diego, that's
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  Speaker 2: the opponent. I don't think anybody will care about that.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: The playoffs, we don't know the time of the game,
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  Speaker 2: but we do know for certain the Brewers do open
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  Speaker 2: on Saturday. Saturday would be the first, and again, that's
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  Speaker 2: a five-game series. The Wild Card Series, all four of them,
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  Speaker 2: they're all best of three, and all of them are
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  Speaker 2: all played on the home field of the team with
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  Speaker 2: the better seed. Baseball does not reseed. So if the
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  Speaker 2: sixth seed... beats the three seed, and that would be
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  Speaker 2: Philadelphia taking out Atlanta. The Brewers do not play the
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  Speaker 2: six seed. It's just bolted in. They play the winner
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  Speaker 2: of the series between the four and five seed, and
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  Speaker 2: the Dodgers, the two seed, will play the winner of
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  Speaker 2: the game series between the Braves and the Phillies, the Badgers.
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  Speaker 2: Before we go any farther on this, I'm struck by
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  Speaker 2: the number of people who have Peacock who didn't know
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: that they had Peacock. I think I talked to like
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: nine people over, If you have Spectrum, you have Peacock.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: Spectrum includes Peacock. I think a lot of people don't
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  Speaker 2: know that. I know that I didn't know that because
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: I was paying for Peacock for like the longest time
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: before I realized I have Spectrum. I didn't know Peacock
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: was included in Spectrum, and then I found out that
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: it was, and I canceled my paid thing on Peacock,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: but it was in there for free. So I watched
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  Speaker 2: the Badger game. There were a lot of games, pro
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: and college, that were like this. over the weekend. One
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  Speaker 2: of them, the late night, the Sunday night game last night,
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  Speaker 2: the Rams were up 16 to nothing on Denver and
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: they lost. Penn State was up 17 to nothing on
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  Speaker 2: Wisconsin and Wisconsin came back and beat them. It's been
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  Speaker 2: a long haul to get here, but I believe the
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  Speaker 2: Wisconsin football program is back and it's the Badger football
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  Speaker 2: program that we have had for so long under first
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: Barry Alvarez and then Bielema and then Gary Anderson and
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: probably the first half of Paul Christ, where you have
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: outstanding defenses and a traditional hard-hitting offense premised on the
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  Speaker 2: running game. I think that they have that program back.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: The success of Luke Fickle is that he has built,
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  Speaker 2: I think, maybe the best defense in all of college football.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: Wisconsin's defense would appear to be even more dominant if
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: the offense was better. They have a tremendous defense, but
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: the offense has been a mess. He made a terrible
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  Speaker 2: mistake when he came in and tried to turn this
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  Speaker 2: into a passing program and install the air raid offense.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: And he hired an offensive coordinator who was terrible at
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  Speaker 2: doing it. They recruited all the wrong guys. They recruited
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  Speaker 2: terrible offensive linemen. They had instability on the offensive line
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: coaching staff. They recruited quarterbacks that were not suited to Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 2: And they just lost years of this. They're now in
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  Speaker 2: the second year of a new offensive coordinator. They raised
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  Speaker 2: their payroll, which is pretty much most of what matters
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: in college sports now, over the season, and all of
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: their key contributors on offense are guys that are new
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  Speaker 2: to the program who came in this year in exchange
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: for money, and the offense is better. But I think
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  Speaker 2: Wisconsin just turned the corner as a football program in
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  Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. They were on the road at Penn State,
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  Speaker 2: which is a very good football team, and they just
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: dominated them. They were down by What was the score
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  Speaker 2: with four minutes left in the game? They were down
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  Speaker 2: by 10 points with four minutes left in the game.
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  Speaker 2: Drove the length of the field and scored. The quarterback
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  Speaker 2: who had a terrible first three quarters made a spectacular pass.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: This cut the score to 20 to 17. He had
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: Hilton on the side of the end zone. Hilton made
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  Speaker 2: a spectacular catch and the quarterback put that throw the
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  Speaker 2: only place that it could be. Penn State got the
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  Speaker 2: ball and you knew Wisconsin's defense was going to stop them.
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  Speaker 2: They did. They almost won the game during that stand.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Cooper Catalano, who's from Germantown, he had a
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  Speaker 2: pick six that he just dropped. But Wisconsin got the stop,
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  Speaker 2: and they got the ball, and the drive just appeared doomed.
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  Speaker 2: They had two false, they get the ball with a
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  Speaker 2: minute and a half left in the game. They had
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: two false start penalties, and they're both by the same guy.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: They were backed up to their own, it was second
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  Speaker 2: and 20 at their six. Because Jacob Harris, the tight end,
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  Speaker 2: false started. Then it was third and 13 at the 18.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: He false started again. The same guy. I'll be honest
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  Speaker 2: with you. I'm watching the game and I'm screaming, you
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: got to take him out. The one position Wisconsin's deep
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: on offensively is tight end. They've got another tight end
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: named Steck who's as good as Jacob Harris. Jacob Harris
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  Speaker 2: came from Bowling Green. He's this 270-pound tight end. They
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  Speaker 2: paid a lot of money to get him here. I said,
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  Speaker 2: take him out of the game. The next thing you know,
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  Speaker 2: Jacob Harris is running 72 yards on a touchdown pass.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: Wisconsin won the game. I think they turned the program around.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: The challenge will be to not let down after a
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: big win. You know, when we were doing our football
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: preview last week, we talked about Florida and Mississippi. Mississippi
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  Speaker 2: came off of its big emotional win over LSU. They
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  Speaker 2: went to Florida and they got annihilated. Wisconsin can't afford
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  Speaker 2: to have an emotional letdown. after this big win, but
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  Speaker 2: I do think in terms of, A, they've gotten the
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  Speaker 2: payroll on the team to where it needs to be
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  Speaker 2: to be competitive in the Big Ten, and they have
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  Speaker 2: the type of program that has traditionally worked at Wisconsin.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: So it's taken three and a half years for Fickle
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: to get here, but I think that the Wisconsin football
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: program is back to being the Wisconsin that people have
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: expected for all of these years. And finally, the Packers.
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  Speaker 2: I just... I don't think I'm as alarmed as most
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: people over that terrible loss that they had on Thursday
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  Speaker 2: night because, as you know, I felt the Packers were
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: not going to be very good this year. I said
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: I approached before the season, approached the season with no
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: optimism at all. I was pessimistic because I felt that
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: the team didn't get any better. The three of the
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: four best players on the team were unavailable. You know,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: the running back Josh Jacobs, who knows how long he's
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: going to be out. Micah Parsons is out, and then
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: they lost two players in the first. week of the
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: season I've just been pessimistic about the team in general
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: and they appear to me to be going nowhere I
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: think the offensive line is terrible and what happens like
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: this is when you have no offensive line you have
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: no offense and when you have no offense and you
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: can't move the ball the defense gets overwhelmed and I
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: won't say that they quit but they lose their competitiveness.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: So the defense stunk against Atlanta after the offense couldn't
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: move the ball. If you don't have enough, you know,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: Wisconsin's football program the last three years had no offensive line.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: That's why they had no offense. I don't care how
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: good the quarterbacks are, the receivers. If you don't have
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  Speaker 2: an offensive line, you don't have an offense. And the
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: Packers don't have an offensive line and they don't have
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: any running backs. A lot of people are all over
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: the coach, Matt LaFleur on this, and I'm not giving
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: him a pass, but I think it's missing the point.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: How does an organization that has pretensions to win a
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl like Green Bay come into the season with
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: no offensive linemen? They had one good one, the right tackle.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: The former Zach Tom, he's now Zach, whatever it is.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: He's out for the season. He was the only proven
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: offensive line with any experience as a Packer on that line.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: How does that happen? Obviously, the focus should be on
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: the general manager, Brian Gutekunst. In my view of this,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: I think what happened is this. I think Gutekunst lost
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: his support system. We were talking earlier about the Brewers.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: It can't all be the general manager, Arnold. It can't
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: all be one genius who's so much smarter than everybody
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: else that he's figured out a way to win 100
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: games in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. He has to have hired great people.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: Remember what happened in the offseason. The Packers right-hand man,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: good accounts right-hand man, John Eric Sullivan, went to Miami
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: and became the general manager. Maybe if Sullivan was here,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: there would have been voices in the front office saying,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: we need to sign two or three free agent offensive linemen.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: Our O-line is terrible. We can't just assume that Jordan
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: Morgan has never started at left half and can play
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: the position. We can't just assume that Banks that we
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: got from the 49ers is any good. He's not. We
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: can't just assume that a center who's never played center
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: for the Packers is going to be anybody turned out
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: not to be. So to me, the problem here, this
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: is a terrible evaluation of where you were coming into
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: the season by good accounts. And I wonder if part
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: of the strength of good accounts so far was a
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: staff that he had, which is now largely gone. Sullivan
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: left and took a couple of staffers with him. And
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: my final call out on this is, you know, Ed
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: Policy's been the president of the team for a year.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: Was he doing any oversight of this? And how about
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: Russ Ball? The Packers have a three-man leadership of the team.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: Policy's the top guy, and then there's three guys that
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: are equal. Ball, who does the football finances. Goodikens, who
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: does the personnel. And LeFleur, who's the head coach. Were
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: they not piping up? How did no one see this coming?
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: I saw it coming. I got a Bear fan sitting
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: across from me over here. You heard me say I'm
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: worried about the Packers, their lack of an offensive line,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: and that's before Zach got hurt. So I have no
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: optimism about the rest of the season. I don't know
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: how you can fix this, and I just think that
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: Jordan Love is likely to get hurt because there's pressure
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: put on him every time, and since they can't run
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: the ball at all because they have no O-line and
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: no running backs, all the defenses know the Packers are
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: going to be forced to pass. Without being able to
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: pass block, I think Love is going to be Hurts,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: who of the teams that I was mentioning here, the
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: one that I'm just utterly pessimistic on is the Packers.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: And I just wonder if keeping Gutekunst for the rest
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: of the season makes any sense. If somebody is to
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: be fired, I think Gutekunst just has screwed this thing
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: up and slide Russ Ball over there and make him
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: the general manager for the remainder of the season, unless
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: Gutekunst was arguing that To get a couple of players
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: and he was vetoed by Russ Ball, nobody knows what
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: kind of power in there. But coming into this year
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: without being, you know, they let their number two running back, Wilson, go. Admittedly,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: that was before Josh Jacobs got arrested, but what did
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: they do to bulk up the running back core after Jacobs' situation?
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: And as for the offensive line, anyone could have seen
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: this coming. So we end on a sour note. What
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: about your Bears now? They play– we're doing this podcast
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: on Monday afternoon. Caleb Williams is apparently out for multiple weeks, right?
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: Four.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: Can they win without him? Case Keenum, who's been around
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: forever and ever. Career backup, but he's– you know, as
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: career backups, he's kind of like the Packers career backup,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, he can win you a game, and
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: that's what the Packers have with the backup quarterback, somebody
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: that can win you a game, right? I just– if–
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: I don't see how the Packers avoid last place in
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: the NFC North. I think that it's kind of a
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: lost season. On that positive note, we're going to end
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: today's podcast. We'll be back with another one on Wednesday.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: Talk to you then.
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