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Elon Musk TROLLS Interviewer!!! · Elon Musk Thinking

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Why are you skeptical to connecting? Let's playing with the soundboard here. Okay,
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Now, what's your take on where we are in the AI race?
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Just now? Wow, that's a long answer. There's so much happening in
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AI is the fastest advancing technology that I've ever seen of any kind. And
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I've seen a lot of technology. Barely a week goes by without some new
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announcement. So, and if you look at the amount of AI hardware,
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the computers coming online that are dedicated to AI, that is increasing what looks
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like at least by a factor of ten every year, if not every sixty
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nine months. So when you combine the hardware coming online, really order of
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magnitude increase every you call it, at least every nine months, many many
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software breakthroughs. If you look at that, that COVID looks insane. So
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I think, well, my guess is that we will have AI that is
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smaller than any any one human probably around the end of next year, and
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then AI, the total amount of sort of sentient compute of AI, I
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think will probably exceed all humans in five years. What is the race about?
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Just now? Is it ALGORI is a people? Is it computing power?
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What is it about? Just now? Is it the supply of chips?
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Just what is it? Yeah? Last year it was chip constraint and
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the hardware deployment to break it down into the three areas of people, data,
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and hardware are starting with hardware. Last year it was about a chief
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supply who could not get enough video chiefs. Particularly this year is starting to
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transition to a voltage transformer supply, so actually getting enough voltage transformers put in
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place. So my sort of very niche joke is transformers for transformers, because
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a lot of the AI that's around is called a transformer, need transformers to
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run transformers. And then next in the if you look out a year or
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two or certainly three years, it's just electricity availability, so that those are
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those constraints on the hardware side. So many of the smartest people are doing
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AI. People that would have done physics before, in fact have done physics
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for example, have moved into AI because it's just the fastest moving field.
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So we're seeing a lot of the best talents, a lot of the smartest
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humans going into AI, and then we see along with that algorithmic breakthroughs,
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and then then you start hitting the wall with the data problem. So the
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you know, you can fit all books ever written just a text, the
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text in compressed form on one hard drive or called on one computer. So
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when you're when you're looking at like called tokens to train on, and you
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because you still give like all the books ever written in every in all languages,
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by all humans, sounds like a lot. Certainly is far more than
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any one human could could ever read. It actually is a small note.
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It's a small number of training tokens. It's just not enough. So then
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you start having to look at all the videos that are created, you know,
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all the podcasts, all the everything, and and you start even running
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out of data there. Well, hopefully hopefully they will include these podcasts.
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Definitely will include this podcast. What's the biggest challenge you have with X Well,
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I say, it is still relatively new, so it's not you know,
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like the limiting factor right now is just training our GROC version two model,
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which should be we think better than GPD four and that's we're hoping to
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complete that in May. So that's that's training right now. So it's just
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really we're just trying to get enough GPUs online to train it fast enough to
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get that done in May, which I think probably will happen. And then
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and that's with roughly twenty thousand, h one hundreds and I'm doing I think
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very efficient training. Then the next step would be for GROCK three, which
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should be I guess GPD five or beyond. Would you know requires one hundred
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thousand in video h one hundreds training coherently, So that's you know, half
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order of vangetude basically more training. And then you really start to have running
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into this data problem where you have to either create synthetic data or use real
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world video. Those the two sources of kind of like unlimited data synthetic data
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and real world video, which I should say Tesla has a pretty big advantage
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in real world. It'll has my father's most real world video of anyone.
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Yeah, you've got a huge library. So when do you think, so
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when you think we'll see proper AGI, Well, in terms on how you
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define a GI, if you define a GI as smarter than as mouse human,
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I think it's probably any next year, within two years. But that's
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that there's still there's still a pretty big leap beyond that, to say smarter
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than the machine augmented human collective so like, is it smarter than all humans
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working together who are also using computers to augment their output, and that that
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I think is probably five years away. One way to look at it is
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is to try to assess, like, roughly, what is the ratio of
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digital to biological compute and so biological computer all the human brains that are thinking
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and I don't know, we have you back online here, Yeah, I
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think somebody. I think somebody hacks us. We must have, we must
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have some enemies. Last question on on AI, any new thoughts on regulation
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and how we should be stretured. Well, I think we probably do need
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some sort of regulatory authority to look at the safety of AI, just as
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we have regulatory authorities and other arenas to oversee aircraft and the safety of aircraft
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and cars and other things, you know, medication. So another rat which
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AI is progressing as fast as faster than probably any regulatory agency can keep up
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with. But I do have a comment on what I think is very important
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for achieving safe AI, which is that it's very important to train the AI
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to be as truthful as possible and not to Yeah, just to be as
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truthful as possible. I think you can get some very dangerous things when you
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program an AI to be politically correct. I think that things that may seem
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relatively innocuous now but will not be so in the future if AI has immense
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power. You can take the Google Gemini example, where it refused to publish
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to produce a picture of George Washington as a white man, and any in
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fact, any historical figure would automatically be made diverse because it's been programmed to
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insist on diversity, which sounds, you know, perhaps okay at first,
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but not if the AI has so much power that it can actually enforce diversity
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and decide there's too many of one kind of people or too many of one
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sex and kill off, just just kill off enough until the diversity number is
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what is programmed to believe is correct. But don't you think this will be
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sorted out in the next version? No, where is China? Where is
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China relative to the next question? Now they'll make it more subtle and less
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obvious, but it will still be there. Okay, well, we'll see,
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But where where is China? Where do you? Where is China in
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a relative to the US? I don't know exactly what China is, except
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there are a lot of very smart people in China, and they it won't
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be They won't be far behind the rest of the world or far behind the
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US. I mean, the air right now is very concentrated in San Francisco,
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in London, and then you know, there's there's a lot happening in
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China. But I don't have insight into what they're doing, except that I'm
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confident they will not be far behind what it's developed in the West. So
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but but but mark my words, if we do not program an AI to
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be as truthful as possible, that that is where it will go awry.
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That is where the danger lies. Moving moving tach here, moving to tesla.
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Is the EB conversion now going slower than you had expected? Just where
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is the speed of commercional relative to your expectations. I think it's going quite
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fast actually, especially Noway, absolutely well, it's pretty much all there is
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is your teslas. Yeah, there's a lot of teslas noise. It's crazy.
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I'd once again like to think no way for the support of electric vehicles
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so much appreciate it. So I think it's we will that electric, that
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all vehicles will go fully electric. It's only a matter of time. That
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includes aircraft ultimately and both obviously trains. The only thing that is ironically difficult
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to where you can't really make it electric is rockets because you need you can't
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get away from having to expel mass sort of Newton instead law. But all
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cars will be electric only amount of time. And we'll look back on combustion
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cars in the same way that we look back on steam engines that it was
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it was inevitable that there would be internal combustion cars, and it's just as
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inevitable that all cars will go electric. And there will be some ev you
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know, so like it's going to be a completely straight up line. There
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will be some ebb and flow in how how far electric cars go. But
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that but the ultimate victory of electric cars is inevitable, and I think the
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sooner we get there the better. How do you see the Chinese competition here?
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Now, we generally find that the companies in China the most competitive in
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the world, and to me, in electric vehicles or cars in general,
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the Chinese car companies by far the most competitive. That's where we find the
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most toughest, toughest competitive competitive challenges. That they make great cars and they
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work very hard so when you write in one of the Chinese cars, what
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do you think? I mean, you're an engineer, you know, what
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about it? What do you what do you think? I haven't written it.
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I have not ridden in one lately. But because they're not all available
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here, you know, in the US, very very few are available in
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the US. Some are available in Europe, but from what my team tells
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me, they are very good. Oh, you are moving into India hair
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as well TESL protection. What are your what are your faults there moving into
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a to India? Oh, Indieah, yeah, yeah, I think it's
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you know, in India sort of. India is now the most populous country
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in the world, you know, the biggest population, and I think we
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India just should have electric cars, just like every other country has electric cars.
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And yeah, so it to natural progression to provide electric TESL electric vehicles
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in India. Moving moving out out in space? What what would it take
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to be self sufficient at Mars? To be selfufficient on Mars, it's really
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about the total tonnage that is delivered to the surface of Mars. So you
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can say, like I think it's probably on the order of a million tons,
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maybe maybe more. But somewhere between probably a million tons and ten million
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tons are needed to make Mars self sufficient. And how many rockets is that?
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Well, I gave a presentation on this recently. If you've looked at
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my recent space X talk. If you if you have really if you have
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one hundred tons per flight, you need ten thousand flights you get to a
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million a million tons, and that's one hundred times landed to the surface of
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Mars. So in order to get a hundred land to the surface of Mars,
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you need five hundred times five times that number in Earth orbit. So
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we do a lot of orbital refilling, so launching sort of rockets tanker ships
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over and over again. That that would replenish the propellant of the ships that
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would go to Mars. And then you'd need it roughly a lolder of ten
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thousand of them to get to a million tons. And but we we plan
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to do that that we're that's uh, that's what we think we can get
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that done within twenty years. Really, so and when do you think so,
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when do you think will be there for the first time, first starship
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that will land on Mars, which obviously will not have people at first.
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I think it's probably within about five years, and then it would probably launch
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several ships and just confirm that they can land okay on Mars. We'll also
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be doing the Moon simultaneously with that, So I got taking I think,
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well, I think we'll get people back to the Moon I should say within
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five years, and we'll get uncrewed ships landed on Mars within five years,
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and then we'll be building up the production rate and approving the design of the
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booster and the ship. So the in the first people on Mars I think
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with in seven years or so seven to nine years, and from there we
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need to rapidly increase. We need massive numbers of ships going and Earth in
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Mars only are in the same quadrants of the Solar System roughly for six months
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every two years, or at least, it's only possible to really transfer efficiently
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from Earth to Mars. I say every six months, but really there's about
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a couple of months where it's ideal every twenty six months, so every two
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years that you would see a basic a fleet to part Mars. I think
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we're quite a spectacular thing to see a thousand ships depart from Mars all at
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once, like battlestock Galactica, a kind of new technology we need before will
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be self sufficient there. Actually, I think we have all the tech wordy,
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you know, all the technology that's necessary for that. It just needs
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to we just need to build. No new physics is needed for this.
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Why is it so important for you? I think it's important for consciousness in
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general. So if wish to maximize the lifespan of consciousness, then being a
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multiplanet species will result in a much longer existence of consciousness consciousness than if we
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are on one planet. If you're on one planet, we're simply finding our
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time until there's eventually a calamity. It could be soon, it could be
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a long time, but eventually something will happen. It could be a global
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throm in nuclear war. It could be simply that civilization really subsides. Our
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civilization may not die with a bag, It may die with a whimper,
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just just gradually falling into obsolescence. But if we're a multiplanet species, then
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we've got two planets and yeah, and they can support each other, and
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we can go beyond two planets, ultimately to the moons of Jupiter, to
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the to the beyond, to the outer parts of the Solar System and ultimately
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to other star systems. So this tiny, this tiny candle of consciousness that
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we have in this bottle starkness can be extended and amplify it, and we're
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just far more likely to survive as for full consciousness to survive. If we
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are a multiplanet species, you don't think it'd be better to use all these
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resources and trying to sort out Earth. Well, just to put this into
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perspective, the amount of resources I'm talking about for making life multiplanetary would be
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less than one percent of all resources on Earth, So I really can think
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of it as resource allocation. Do you think it's worth spending half a percent
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of Earth resources to ensure that we have redundancy and consciousness and that we extend
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consciousness beyond Mars to other planets, to Mars and other planets and ultimately other
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star systems. And then also take into account the fact that there are certain
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inevitable that there's certain things we simply cannot avoid on Earth, Like is it
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within your power of mind to stop World War three? I don't think so.
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If it happens, and if we have global dominical warfare, our technology
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level will drop to the stone age, and we may never spive. And
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then there are we maybe get maybe it hit like by a comet like the
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dinosaurs. And you know, if the dinosaurs had spaceships, they they'll probably
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still be around. So and then if if you wait long enough the Earth,
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that the Sun will continue to expand and eventually engulf Earth and destroy it
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and destroy all life. So just give it amount in a certain amount of
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time, no matter what you do on Earth, no matter how careful you
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are, Earth well, life of all life on Earth will die. That
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it will happen is a certainty. Gloom is is now, so it's slightly
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less gloomy oat X Twitter, Yeah, what is your vision now? What
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do you how do you see the visional mix? I go access to be
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the best source of truth on the Internet, and I think we're bringing a
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good, good progress there. I mean that's we're gonna be like I'll call
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everything up like an if anything you want to do you can do on the
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X platform, whether it's text, audio, video, payments, financial stuff,
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communications of all kinds. And then but then also where there's publicly to
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seven eighty information is to be the best source of truth and I think it
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I think it already is that. And people may say, oh, there's
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some piece of misinformation, disinformation. I said, yes, but look look
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at the replies, the replies correct that misinformation, and look at community notes
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and the and how good the batting average of community notes is. It's extremely
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good. It's by far the best fact checking system on the internet. So
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and and and a lot of people still labor under the illusion that the can
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that the legacy newspapers that they read are actually true. There's so much nonsense
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in them. I mean, how many times when do you read an article
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in newspaper where you know the circumstances of what that article is, and how
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often is it spot on? No, of course it's normally it's not.
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Of course we will know it's normally wrong. But how do you get how
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do you look at the situation now, for instance, with with Russia.
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You know the work Russia does in Germany with fake accounts on, it's pretty
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pretty huge activity, right, I mean, we don't see a lot of
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Russian activity, to be frank on the system, so we see very little.
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We do we do you see a lot of a lot of terms to
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influence things, but they seem to be coming from from the west, not
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from from Russia. Right, what about what about things like the latest developments
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in in Brazil and so yeah, so the uh we kept getting these demands
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from uh this uh judge Alexander that's his that's his name on Twitter at Alexander,
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and there would be to suspend accounts immediately. We're given typically two hours
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to suspend an account or face massive fines. And the final storye we were
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being given demands to suspend sitting sitting members of the parliament and major journalists and
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moreover, we could not tell them that this was at the behest of zider
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morales. We had to pretend that it was due to our rules of service,
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and that was the final straw. And we said, no, mm,
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now, when you when you bought Twitter now renamed x, did you
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expect that you would end up in these type of situations Always it's all unexpected.
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I knew it wouldn't be just a total bed of roses, you know,
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and it's talking. I wouldn't. No, I mean I thought it
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would be since Look, we're just like rigorously trying to pursue the the the
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goal of being the most accurate and truthful place in the Internet. And that
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that doesn't mean that what is said is always true or accurate, but it's
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it is perhaps another way to frame it is as the least inaccurate place on
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the Internet. Do you do you secretly? Do you secretly think this is
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a bit fun? It's fun? Yeah, Yeah, it's fun at times.
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It's stressful at times, and it's fun at times. But in overall,
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we're trying to serve the people of Earth and and and this is sort
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of an est sort of maybe an estratarkic way of viewing it, but to
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try to be of like the group consciousness of Earth. So you can think
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of like if each person is like a neuron contributing to like the collective brain
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of Earth, and you want to try to minimize the noise and maximize the
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signal of every neuron that's connected to the X network. That that's basically what
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what is what is the collective will of humanity? And and how and and
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and how to Yeah, just serve the collective will of humanity and so serve
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the greater good. That that's our goal. Now, you know, there's
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there's definitely going to be people who want to manipulate that information and so ratify
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that and try to have a you know, be the most accurate place as
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far as the best of our ability, and have it be kind of a
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marketplace of ideas where people can propose ideas and you know, debate them.
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And I think so far it's working recently well in that regard. Now,
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people that don't like the truth will not like X or if they want to
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manipulate things, they will not like it. But only, but only a
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few years ago you were you were a guy producing electric vehicles. Now you
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are, you know, through Starlink, you've had some you know, I
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mean some big impact in Ukraine with Twitter, you are kind of into some
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issues in you know, Brazil, India, Turkey. You know, you're
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becoming like a real geopolitical force and a really important one. How do you
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how do you look at that? Well, like I said, I'm really
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I'm trying to take the set of actions that maximize the public The future is
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good. I mean, we have to keep civilization going onward and upward as
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much as possible, and and trying to minimize the civilizational threats that occur.
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Like you know, we we can't get to Mars if somevilization collapses. It's
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not gonna happen. So you know, we've got to we've got to keep
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keep civilization going. And I think we should view our civilization as being much
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more fragile than we think. We kind of take for granted it's always going
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to be there. But actually, if you study history, you realize that
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there are rise. You know, there's a rise in full civilizations. I
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mean, I was reading in depth about the ancient Samerians, who were arguably
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the first civilization if you call civilization like writing and stuff. You know,
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they're the first to develop writing, and but eventually they died out and they
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were gone, so and then nobody could read the writing at all, and
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they're just faded out as a civilization. But they're pretty impressive in their time.
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And the ancient Egyptians the same thing thing, and you know, one
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sort of one after another. Ancient Greek had as reset a stay. China
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and India had will have incredibly impressive populations, but there's been ebbs and flows
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in the China and Indian civilizations over the the AONs, you know, the
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Blendia as well. So you know, I guess I'm just trying to take
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this instead of just the steps that increase, uh, the scope and scale
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of consciousness. That's that's what I'm trying to do. It's not like it's
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not that I'm trying to have a put a political thumb on the scale or
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anything like that. But I think I'm trying to have the political will go
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where the people wanted to go. You know, you mentioned some some really
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smart people here and kind of just moving back a bit here into corporate culture.
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Now, you manage a lot of geniuses in your in your companies.
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What is the key to manage really smart people? Do you think? I
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don't. I don't think I managed smart people. They manage themselves. I
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think, well, I guess with really smart people, you know, I
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don't really think of it like managing them. I think that if somebody is
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very smart and talented, they can go anywhere and do anything anytime. Like
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they they don't have to work with me, They could go anywhere. So
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I really just say, like, look, this is the goal we're after,
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and this is what we're trying to achieve, and do you agree with
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this goal? And if you do, then let's try to get it done.
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And you know, provide my opinion along the way. But it's very
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rare for me to actually sort of insist on a particular thing once in a
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while, I say, look, guys, just got to trust me on
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this one. We've got to do this thing, and if it turns out
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to be a bad decision, you can all hold that against me in the
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future. But you have an incredible life for deten right. I mean,
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when we read the Isaac book, it's pretty clear that you mean you really
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are deep into detail. I know what you talk about. So how do
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you how do you balance this kind of micromanagement of some areas and then delegate
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others. I wouldn't I wouldn't call it micro management. It's just insisting on
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attention to detail. That's if you're trying to make a perfect product, you
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must have attention to attention to details essential. And I haven't actually read the
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Isaacson book. You should. It's very good. Actually, I love it
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well. I asked authorizing and if I should read it, and he said
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I shouldn't. Okay, So okay, well, I'll ask you some questions
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from the book. Then they do you talk? He talks about, you
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know, you're the kind of a hardcore and ultra hardcore culture. What is
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an ultra hardcore culture. I guess it's work. I mean it's working culture,
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right, I mean how how I mean ultra hard work? How hard
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is that? Well, when things get really intense, you're basically just working
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every waking hour. And how and how long can you do that for?
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I've done that for well, continuously for sometimes like a few years. What
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does it? What does it do to you? It? Really it's pain
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and every waking out. Maybe it is an exaggeration because there are a few
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hours obviously with friends and family and critical other things. Uh, but one
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hundred hour weeks would be I've done many, many stretches of one hundred hour
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weeks, like true hundred hour weeks where roughly six hours per day is sleeping.
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I would not recommend that this is not that's for emergencies, you know,
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it's not all the time. You know, during very difficult times at
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Tesla, I've had to do that, and sometimes at the beginning of my
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earliest startups, I did that where I just wouldn't leave the office. I
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would a sleep under my desk and just work seven days a week. Sometimes
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it's necessary for success or to avoid failure. But but do you you do
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you enjoy being in this crisis mode. No, I don't. It sucked.
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No, I don't want to be there. That's pain m hm.
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But sometimes it's that between success and failure. When you make decisions? How
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important is speed? He just gave me an idea, which is I'm going
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to invite the judge Alexander Raala to do a spaces and then he can explain
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why what I'm doing is bad. And maybe he's right I challenge. I
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challenged him to a spaces sounds good, Yeah, but what about speed?
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When do you make when you when you make decisions, how important is speed?
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And how do you how do you balance analysis with your good field?
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I think the the best offense and defense is speed. If you think it's
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something like the SR seventy one Blackbird, it really had almost no defenses except
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accelerate and it was never shot down even once. Like I think over three
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thousand missiles were shot at the SR seventy one Blackbird and none hit and and
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really what it did was just go faster. So the the power of speed
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is underappreciated as a competitive dimension. Is that why in all space expenses being
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so successful? Because you've been mean and lean as an organization and fast.
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I think speed is definitely a factor. Now I should say you want to
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go in the case of the company, you you need to be a vector,
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not a scaler, So it can't be you need to go at high
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speed in the right direction. So so and no company is going to be
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going in the right direction all the time, so you have to do course
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corrections like a guided missile recorded course corrections and uh. But in the case
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of SpaceX, it's like, Okay, our goal is to extend humanity beyond
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Earth. And we didn't even know how to even frame the question correctly,
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like what which knew that that was a general goal. We didn't know what
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pealant we would use, or what the raw materials would be, or for
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the how would the rocket be built, how would it be designed? What's
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actually important? And you know, so for example, going from our Falcon
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architecture, which is users refined jet fuel and liquid oxygen in a open cycle
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gas generator architecture engine to a two starship, which is a liquid methane like
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liquiduction a propellant in a staged combustion, very high pressure engine. That that's
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a that's a big architectural change. But we didn't know that we needed to
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make that architectural change until we're pretty far down the road, like about halfway.
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But because about ten years to figure out that was even the right architecture,
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now we're confident it is. I think SpaceX is one of the best
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example I know about what we call failing well right, learning from mistakes and
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moving on generally, how do you how do you look at mistakes? I
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mean, which which ones do you tolerate and which ones don't you tolerate?
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I do really think of that way. You know, the first three flights
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of SpaceX failed, the fourth one succeeded, and if the fourth one had
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not succeeded, we would have gone bankrupt. We would have had no money
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left. So it was very close call. But since then SpaceX has done
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very well. It's now the Falcon nine. You know, knock on Wood
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is the most reliable rocket in the world and launches about every two to three
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days. But if you take a game like, for example, Civilization,
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it's actually quite a good It tells you how how civilizations are formed. I
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remember playing the original Civilization with a technology tree, and how you invent different
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things. You'd like invent literacy, and invented democracy and invent gunpowder, all
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these things that like, and you start to realize, oh wow, there's
31:15
there are stages two technology. You can't actually get to democracy without literacy,
31:18
these stages of technology development or stages of ideas that you know, that's a
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helpful framework for a company. In recent years, there's a game I play
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that was actually developed in Sweden called Polytopia, which is actually quite a good
31:36
game. Like a lot of people like playing chess, but I think chess
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is not a great There's not a lot of transfer learning from chess to the
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real world because in chess, you've got only sixty four squares. It's a
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set piece battle, same pieces every time. If there are no terrain differences,
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there's no technology tree, there's no fog of war. But say a
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game like Polyatopia has all of those things, random train generation, differences in
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attacking defense bonuses depending on type of train. You've got sixteen tribes, I
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think, each with different abilities. You've got a technology tree that you can
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choose to develop in different ways, and you've got, of course fog of
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war. So that I think is much more much closer to reality. I
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was playing Diablo for a while pretty fun, Diablo as high levels gets very
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complicated. You could call it like a spreadsheet with a game attached. And
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I briefly got for about a day the world record in this avatar of zero
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on a four person team of clearing the hardest level. You know, not
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bad for someone who's like fifty three. Basically will be fifty three soon.
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There is still some twitch element to it, and it's hard to be because
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at games with a twitch element. But yeah, I like if I find
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these games interesting. If you can be fully immersed in a game, it's
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great. What is a score now? In terms of the union in Sweden
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and the collective bargaining, I think the storm has passed on that front.
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I think things are reasonably good shape in Sweden. I think things are good
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overall. Yeah, I feel pretty good about the future. I mean,
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you know there's going to be bumpy quarters from you know, here and there,
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but I think the long term future of Tesla is extremely strong. For
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example, so I didn't hear the answer because I was out, but we
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have covered this with with your chair. But just the last question, what
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do you want your legacy to be? I don't I don't mind if my
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legacy is accurate or inaccurate, provided that I've I dive feeling that I've done
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the right thing for the future of consciousness. So just trying to trying to
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have this slide of consciousness lasts as long as possible, and maybe understand more
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about the nature of the universe or stimulation or whatever this is. I have
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a philosophy of curiosity, which is to understand the they understand the universe,
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understand the nature of the universe, or even what questions to ask. Kind
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of like that, I would say I would subscribe to the Douglas Adams Hitchhiker's
34:04
Guys, to the Galaxy school of philosophy that we're trying to understand what questions
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to ask about the answer that is the universe. Okay, I think that's
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a good place to end. For sure, the life and life on this
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planet would have been a lot more boring without you, and so I'm Graham
34:23
glad to spice it up a little totally. All right, good talking