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You Can’t Do Everything At Once · White Coat Black Sheep

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  Okay. White Coat, Black Sheep, where science gets curious and dogma gets
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  uncomfortable.
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  I'm Dr. Valerie Civelli. We talk physiology, evidence, and real-world
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  medicine, plus the questions you're not supposed to ask but probably
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  should. If you care about health and think there's a better way, welcome to our
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  show.
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  Hmm.
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  Hi, Kristin.
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  Hi. I like that.
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  Thank you so much for joining me.
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  Thank you for having me.
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  Kristin Saban, as... Although I know you as Renee
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  forever.
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  I'm in so many phones and so many different ways, so I'll take it.
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  Oh. I don't think I've updated.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  That's okay.
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  How was your day like today?
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  Oh, it was good. Catching up on, you know, got a couple escrows going,
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  so just, like, making sure everything's on track and everything's, like,
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  dated the way it should. So yeah, everything's good.
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  I love hearing just about different industries and different
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  day structures that people have and, like, how they manage it all, do it
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  all.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  The stressors, the, the wins, the losses of every
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  day.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Um, managing health within those spaces is always of
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  interest to me.
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  Absolutely.
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  So you were in real estate.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Finance.
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  Yeah, finance and insurance.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah. Yeah. Mom of two.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  That's insane. I just still pictured one.
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  I know. It all... It just happened so quickly.
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  I didn't mean to cancel the second.
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  It's okay. They took my memory upon exit, so.
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  How old are they?
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  Two and four. Two and a half and four. Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Well, you look fantastic.
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  Oh, thank you.
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  I don't know what you're doing, but...
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  Girl, it's... Like, when you talk about working in health and fitness, you have to
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  make the time for it.
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  Yep.
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  Yeah, absolutely. Um, I get up at 5:30 every morning.
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  I do a little Bible study. I do a workout from, like, 20 to 30 minutes, you
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  know, whether that's running or heavy weights or-
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  At home, or do you go somewhere?
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  Um, I have the Peloton app.
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  Okay.
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  So I do it at home. We have a bike. We have weights.
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  Um, or I go running in the neighborhood.
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  Okay.
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  Um, we have a sauna at home.
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  Oh, I love that. I envy you.
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  And then this time of year, I cold plunge in the pool.
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  I love it.
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  So, you know, you just gotta make time for it.
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  Yeah.
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  You know? And then I make sure I'm ready by the time the kids get up, so that-
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  Mm-hmm
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  ... when they get ready, I can, you know, help them get ready and get their l-
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  meals together, get them off to school, you know?
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  My husband's amazing, and he helps out so much, so.
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  He's a good guy.
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  Yeah, he is. Yeah.
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  When you wake up, do you feel, like, rested?
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  Do you feel like, "Oh, yes, I get to go work out now.
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  I get to..." Or are you ki- Is it kinda like...
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  I just learned the term is internal resistance.
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  Do you kind of face that internal resistance?
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  It depends on the night before, to be quite honest with you.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Did I get to go to sleep the time I know I should have?
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  Did I actually get a good night's sleep-
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  Mm
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  ... or was my brain constantly going, you know?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I try to do my best to not, like, l- get revved up too late in the evening so I
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  can have enough time to relax, but-
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  Yeah
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  ... it all just depends on that, to be honest. Sometimes I'm really forcing it.
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  Yeah.
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  And sometimes I wake up before my alarm 'cause I'm like, "Whoo, let's go."
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  Yeah. I've been probably dragging lately.
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  Just, I feel like there's so much change around me, so I'm just, like, grasping
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  for, like, something that's consistent.
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  Yeah.
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  Just with work, with, you know, even projects such as this.
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  It's just, there's a lot.
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  Yeah.
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  It's exciting, but it's, like, so exciting that I'm just like, "Okay, like,
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  I just need to shut off."
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  So I actually just saw this on Instagram the other day, and it was, like, the four
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  burner method. Have you ever heard of that?
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  No.
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  So you have health, wealth, family, and fitness. Or no.
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  Yeah, health, wealth, family... No, that...
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  And friends.
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  Okay.
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  Not all four burners can burn at the same time.
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  Ooh, that's good.
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  So when you have so many things going on, one category has to
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  lower on that burner, or else you're gonna burn out.
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  Yeah, I don't wanna burn out.
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  No.
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  I've felt that before.
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  And so I... It kind of made me look at that and
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  go, "What doesn't have to be at full force right now?" You know?
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  Yeah. Are they, like, dials, like, up and down?
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  Well, you gotta think of, like, a stove top.
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  Yeah.
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  You know?
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  Yeah.
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  Like, what needs to be turned down right now?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  You know, what doesn't need the focus right now?
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  Yeah.
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  So I had to have that conversation with my husband about like, you know, "I think I
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  need to stop prioritizing this over here-
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  Mm-hmm
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  ... and start focusing on this. And then once this gets going, I can turn that
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  burner down-
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  Mm-hmm
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  ... and then turn this one up."
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  Okay. What's your top burners right now?
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  Top burners is family, health, and wealth.
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  Okay.
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  I... That's the discussion that we kinda...
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  'Cause I was trying so hard to still be socially present and be
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  out and, like, have-
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  I struggle with that
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  ... girl time. Y- We've... How long have we been trying to get together?
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  Yeah. And it's not because we don't just love each other.
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  No.
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  It's because it's genuinely, like, there's so much
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  going on.
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  Well, and you have all your burners going, right?
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  Yes. They're all going.
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  And I was burning myself out trying to always just make it out to
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  all the things.
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  Yeah.
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  And I was like, "I think I need to step back from this."
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  And to look for doing it.
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  It's fun.
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  Can I just show up with a messy bun like this?
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  You're always adorable.
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  Subjective.
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  Oh, I love it.
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  Yeah. But no, that's just so true. Like, to do it all, yes, you can,
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  but not all at once.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And I hate that truth. I want it to not be real.
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  Well, and for me, like, personally, if I'm focusing so much on
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  going out, you know, and, like, doing the social aspect, then my kids don't see
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  me. That's not what I want.
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  That's sad.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  It's always like, you know, moms get... moms going, you know?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And thankfully, my husband is like, "You... Like, I'm so proud of you. Go out.
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  Go do this." But-
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  Oh, there you go
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  ... I needed to take a step back-
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  Yeah
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  ... and be like, "I don't need to go to everything," you know?
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  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
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  'Cause I wanna be here with my kids.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So I had to, I guess, turn that burner up and then the other burner
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  down a little bit.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah.
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  But it also brings you joy to be present.
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  You know, some people don't actually get that.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  They don't experience that dopamine.
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  They don't experience that pleasure, rewarding aspect, and
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  it's just chaos at their house. They don't have support like you have love and
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  support.
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  Yes.
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  There's... It's like, "Hey, we're good over here." But a lot of people don't have
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  that soft landing, so that's really cool.
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  Yeah. That actually makes me sad hearing that, 'cause you're right.
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  They don't and-
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  They go home to chaos.
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  Yeah.
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  They'd rather be out.
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  N- and that's unfortunate. Like, we knew when we had our
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  kids that we knew that putting in the work with, with discipline,
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  obedience, and establishing who's the dominant in the
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  family, you know? 'Cause if you let your kids run you, they'll run you.
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  Like good cop, bad cop?
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  No, not necessarily. With my husband, I...
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  We were always, we always knew we had to be, like, a solid team.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  We always kne- knew that they're gonna play us against each other.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And so if one comes up to us when we're alone-
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  That's very smart.
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  Yeah. When one comes up to us and is, "Hey, can I go do this?" And it's like,
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  "Well, what'd Mommy say?" "Well..." "Okay, whatever she
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  said, that's your answer." Like, there's no playing us against each other.
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  Yeah.
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  So the first two years are, like, seem to be the hardest with both of them.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  But now it's, like, just routine and cycle. Like, they know what we expect.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  They behave a certain way.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  There's times when you can be absolutely feral-
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  Mm-hmm
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  ... and we will let you be that . But there's a time and a, and a place when we
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  need you to sit down and be quiet and mind your b- and mind your manners.
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  Yeah.
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  You know? And I feel like that's helped us, like, not have such chaos at home.
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  I love that term.
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  Yeah.
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  Do you have any feral moments?
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  Oh, dear God. How many moments do I not have that are feral?
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  It's hard to be, like, well-behaved at all times.
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  I mean, there has to be, like, a space for you too where you're just like, "I just
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  am gonna be on bad behavior for a moment."
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  Absolutely.
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  Like, five minutes.
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  Well, and I, like, you know, when my kids are, like, in bad moods, it's like, I get
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  in bad moods.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Okay, you're gonna be p***y?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Then you can go sit over there for a little bit, ride that out-
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  Mm-hmm
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  ... and let's talk in a couple minutes-
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  Yeah
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  ... and let's, like, talk about our feelings.
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  And then wrap it up.
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  Yeah. Yeah. Wrap it up quick. 'Cause I don't have as much patience for you as
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  I do for myself.
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  Oh my gosh. That's probably men too sometimes.
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  Like-
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  Yeah
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  ... wrap it up. You get five minutes.
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  Yep. We have a little box. Like, we tape off a little, like, like, box in our
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  house, like, in the floor. That's where the kids go sit to be alone.
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  Oh, wow.
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  Mm-hmm. So you can talk to them-
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  Is this applied to everybody in the house, or...?
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  Bryce, go over there.
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  He can't even defend himself.
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  Go to the box.
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  He's nine years... Yeah. He bo- He got boxed.
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  I'd probably be in the box more than him.
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  That's funny. Oh my gosh. From, like, probably working too much.
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  From him, or...?
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  Um, I think... Well, I'm just... I, I don't know your fights, but I would
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  imagine
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  maybe it's just, like, who's gonna... I don't know.
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  What, what do you guys fight about, if ever?
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  You know, obviously we have our fights.
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  I have to say-
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  It's come up, right?
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  ... like, it's so funny because, like, in the beginning we had, like,
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  stupid fights.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Like, it's just stupid fights. What are we fighting for?
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  Like, what'd you say... Why'd you say it that way?
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  Well, and then, like-
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  Like, tone
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  ... sometime- And, like, I remember one time just being like, "God,
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  he needs to change. I need this, I need that," and then I just remember hearing
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  Clara's day, like, "Turn that finger around.
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  You need to change yourself."
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  She's like this.
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  And I was like, "Dang. Okay." So I, like, literally had
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  to, like-
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  Mm
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  ... 'cause I was always talking in defense.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Why was I talking in defense constantly? I don't know.
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  Yeah.
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  And I had to change the way I spoke to him.
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  How did you identify that you were defensive?
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  Because-
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  Because everything he said, I was like, "Well, why do you say it like that?
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  What do you... What, what does that mean?"
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  So interesting. I wonder if that's me.
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  It-
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  Did some- But he had to tell you, or you just had to arrive there?
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  No, I just kind of arrived there.
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  Gotcha.
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  And then, like, it was kinda funny because, like, I stopped defending
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  myself and I was like, instead of defending, I was like, "You know, I'm really
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  sorry that you feel that way, and I'm sorry I made you feel that way."
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  I could start there. I'm sorry that you feel that way.
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  Yeah. And then, like, literally after two fights, he's like, "I don't know what
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  you're doing, but you're making me really realize that I'm an a*****e." I was
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  like, "That's not what, my intention was."
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  He just arrived there on his own?
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  And he was just like, "Wow, I'm, I'm getting angry for no reason." It, and
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  it's like you, once... It's like you have to keep only yourself accountable.
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  Yeah.
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  You're not responsible for other people's actions.
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  You're only responsible for yourself-
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  I didn't know that
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  ... and how you react to other people.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  You can't change the way other people do things.
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  No.
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  So I think once we both realized that, it made life so much
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  easier.
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  Oh my gosh. I love this. I mean, I try to
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  self-reflect, and I mean, I'm happy in my relationship and I feel
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  like... But there's still moments where I do feel, like, triggered, you
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  know?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Like, you get lost into this circuit, this
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  cycle.
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  Yeah.
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  And then I'm like,
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  "I really think it's not me."
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  Yeah.
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  You're like, "Actually, I know I'm innocent."
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  I don't... I feel like it's never me.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Maybe that's the problem.
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  It, I'll tell you that it probably is.
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  We're gonna move on-
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  Okay
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  ... to the next topic.
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  Yeah.
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  So let's talk about peptides.
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  'Cause we're not the problem.
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  We're, I think we're perfect.
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  Exactly.
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  Actually.
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  Yeah. No, I agree.
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  Yeah, and your kids are perfect.
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  Yeah. Everything.
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  So yeah.
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  Yeah, peptides. I'm all about them.
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  Yeah. Okay. So you've always been kind of forward-thinking, and, like, the ones
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  that you're on, like y- like, you knew retatrutide before
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  anybody else around here was saying that word.
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  Yeah.
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  Like, I just, I love that you knew about it, and I know that there were some, like,
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  side effects that you experienced.
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  I don't know if you wanna share any of that, but-
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  Mm-hmm
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  ... it's just, it is very, very good-
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  Yeah
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  ... and new, option that exists, and I think it's,
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  it has a lot of pros and cons.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  But it's one of my favorites for people who maybe don't have anxiety
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  or who don't have the, like, a, too much activation
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  of-
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  Oh, that's interesting.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay. I'd wanna know, like, so why, why not too much anxiety
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  or too much ac- activation?
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  So if you think of it this way, like with, Ozempic semaglutide, for example-
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  Mm-hmm
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  ... so that one, tirzepatide, and retatrutide. So retatrutide is at the top.
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  It has the most sites of action.
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  Okay.
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  So you're gonna lose weight. It's going to make your metabolic system
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  more efficient.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So, the way that you rest and digest, the way that, you know,
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  the, when your sugar is cleared from your blood-
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  Mm-hmm
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  ... it just makes you more optimized.
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  Got it.
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  And it tells the brain that you have energy, and it gives you energy.
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  So it's, it's called activating. So whereas
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  Ozempic, for example, you feel the slump.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And, and w- okay, my sugar's out. Like, I'm, I'm depleted.
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  I'm like, I'm dead.
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  Yeah.
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  So this retatrutide, like, is more-I
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  guess it covers you from that slump.
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  Okay. I guess that makes sense.
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  Without being too science-y about it, like it just covers the slump.
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  So the reason why I got on it in the first place is because after having my
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  daughter, I gained so much weight, and I got with a, a health,
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  and fitness coach, and she got me on a macro plan.
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  And I lost almost 50 pounds on my own just doing macros.
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  50 pounds?
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  Yeah, just doing macro counting.
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  I can't see the picture.
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  Girl, I've lost since I ha- after having my daughter, I've lost 90
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  pounds. You're gonna die when you see this photo, 'cause I was not posting back
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  in the day because I was so mortified.
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  I can't even believe it.
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  Yeah, it's insane. So I lost, like, almost 50
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  pounds, and I moved back to Bakersfield, and I got
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  with a girlfriend, and I was like, "I've hit a plateau, like, the
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  macros, like I've, I've, I've messed with my numbers. I've talked to my coach.
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  I've just kind of hit a plateau."
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And she knew I had Hashimoto's, and she goes, "You have
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  inflammation."
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  Mm-hmm.
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  "You... It's not necessarily weight that you need to lose.
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  It's just inflammation. Just like I can see it in your face."
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  Mm-hmm.
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  "I can see it in your arms. I can see it, like, all over you."
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And so she's like, "Try this." And so I tried the Retta, and it
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  immediately I was feeling so much better.
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  Like, I noticed immediate-
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  That's awesome
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  ... my face just lost all that inflammation, like-
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  Mm-hmm
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  ... my chest. Like, I just didn't feel so blah and so
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  heavy.
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  Wow.
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  You know? And then of course I became obsessed with peptides.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, they work.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  They, they literally work.
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  And then even, like, I r- told a, a client of mine who has
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  Hashimoto's as well, and she also has psoriasis.
• 13:49
  Mm-hmm.
• 13:50
  And within two months, her psoriasis has still, to this day, like a
• 13:54
  year and a half later-
• 13:54
  That's amazing
• 13:54
  ... never come back.
• 13:56
  I'll have to read on how it impacts inflammation.
• 13:58
  I haven't looked at that direct correlation.
• 14:00
  Okay.
• 14:00
  I know there are not any studies right now that
• 14:04
  directly correlate. But I mean-
• 14:05
  Okay
• 14:06
  ... there's a lot you can deduce. Like, how's the cortisol relate to it, you know?
• 14:09
  There's just, there's so much.
• 14:11
  Got it. Okay.
• 14:12
  Yeah. Initially, whenever you were working on your thyroid,
• 14:16
  did you... There were some issues though, right?
• 14:18
  Like transitioning.
• 14:21
  So
• 14:22
  I... Transitioning to the Retta?
• 14:23
  Like, like, yeah, to the Retta.
• 14:25
  Um,
• 14:26
  I don't re- I remember when I started seeing you, like...
• 14:29
  So I think I actually kinda figured out what happened.
• 14:32
  Yeah, what was it?
• 14:32
  So when I was living up north,
• 14:36
  I don't react well to thyroid medication.
• 14:38
  Synthroid made me nuts. Um,
• 14:42
  NP, NP actually, uh-
• 14:46
  Dang.
• 14:46
  No, you're okay. The NP my body doesn't react to at all.
• 14:50
  Mm-hmm.
• 14:50
  It's as if it's receiving nothing.
• 14:51
  Yeah.
• 14:52
  So my only form of medication I can take is the Armour.
• 14:55
  Mm-hmm.
• 14:55
  So I didn't realize this, but when I was living up north, they were giving
• 14:59
  me, like,
• 15:01
  80, I can't remember what it was, it was an 80 or 90 milligrams of,
• 15:05
  NP-
• 15:06
  Mm-hmm
• 15:07
  ... and 15 of Armour.
• 15:09
  Mm-hmm.
• 15:09
  So when I moved back to Bakersfield, I got all of
• 15:13
  that in Armour alone.
• 15:15
  Mm-hmm.
• 15:15
  So it was like my body went into full-blown mode getting all this
• 15:19
  Armour when I thought the whole time I was getting that.
• 15:22
  Mm-hmm.
• 15:22
  When I was only surviving off of 15.
• 15:24
  Oh my gosh.
• 15:25
  So no, like, that also I think kinda helped some weight loss too, because-
• 15:28
  Yeah
• 15:28
  ... I actually got finalized on my dosage.
• 15:30
  Thyroid is like, definitely you can't fix anything unless you fix the thyroid,
• 15:34
  so.
• 15:35
  No, and it c- it's so many side effects that come along with, like a-
• 15:38
  Mm-hmm
• 15:38
  ... an, a malfunctioning thyroid.
• 15:40
  Yeah.
• 15:40
  You know? My hormones as I went to you for, like-
• 15:42
  Classic
• 15:43
  ... were all over the place, you know?
• 15:44
  Yeah.
• 15:44
  They're finally normalized.
• 15:46
  Yeah.
• 15:47
  Yeah, I like, it's just insane.
• 15:49
  Yeah.
• 15:49
  And-
• 15:49
  And, and like, it changed your face.
• 15:51
  It really did.
• 15:52
  It's crazy.
• 15:53
  It really did. Like, I haven't, like, I used to be all about the Botox and all
• 15:57
  that kinda stuff. I haven't had Botox in like two years.
• 15:59
  Isn't that insane?
• 16:00
  Yeah. I'm like, "I don't want it." Like, I, I feel like I feel better.
• 16:03
  I almost on, I'm also on the Glow peptide, on the stack of Glow. I love that.
• 16:07
  Oh, I can't tolerate Glow. I love it-
• 16:08
  Really?
• 16:08
  ... but I just, I can't tolerate it, 'cause it's too, like, inflammatory for me.
• 16:12
  Does it sting, like-
• 16:13
  Mm-hmm.
• 16:13
  Yeah.
• 16:14
  Locally.
• 16:15
  Mm-hmm.
• 16:15
  Get like a hive.
• 16:16
  Yeah.
• 16:16
  So.
• 16:17
  Um, someone told me to take zinc every day, and it's has helped, but I still get a
• 16:21
  little bruise there.
• 16:22
  Zinc helps. So does KPV, but then, that's like another
• 16:26
  injection. I take plenty, I don't do-
• 16:28
  Yeah. Like I don't wanna have another needle.
• 16:30
  And then the nasal sprays, okay, so I just started Selank and
• 16:34
  Semax nasal spray.
• 16:35
  Okay.
• 16:36
  Love it. It's a cognitive enhancer.
• 16:40
  Oh.
• 16:40
  So mental-
• 16:41
  Intriguingly
• 16:41
  ... clarity, and it also takes you down a level so you feel
• 16:45
  like calm. And then so I like to take it at night, so it helps me to like go
• 16:49
  to sleep and just chill, because I have like the rat race
• 16:53
  just playing.
• 16:54
  Absolutely.
• 16:55
  It just tastes bad. That's the only thing.
• 16:58
  Like as like post-nasal drip type of deal?
• 17:00
  Yes.
• 17:00
  Okay, got it.
• 17:00
  Yeah. So if you can get past the taste-
• 17:03
  Okay
• 17:03
  ... then it's, I mean, j- just don't think about it.
• 17:07
  Just swallow it down.
• 17:09
  You just swallow it.
• 17:10
  Yeah.
• 17:11
  Yeah.
• 17:11
  You don't wanna leave it at that, but that's-
• 17:12
  Yeah.
• 17:15
  Just swallow it.
• 17:15
  Oh my gosh. I'm so my mom.
• 17:17
  Ah.
• 17:18
  She makes these comments and doesn't even notice how they can be used out of
• 17:21
  context.
• 17:22
  Yeah.
• 17:22
  Anyway. I caught that one.
• 17:25
  Yeah, I'll have to try that because I definitely have noticed that, like, I'm
• 17:28
  having more and more struggles to relax at night, just 'cause the busier
• 17:32
  work gets-
• 17:33
  Yeah
• 17:33
  ... you know, the more clients I get, the more, like, my head just cannot shut off.
• 17:37
  You don't wanna forget anything.
• 17:38
  Mm-mm. No.
• 17:39
  I get it.
• 17:39
  And if you miss anything, it can mess everything up.
• 17:41
  Mm-hmm.
• 17:41
  You know? So-
• 17:42
  Mm-hmm
• 17:42
  ... mm-mm.
• 17:43
  I know. I don't know the solution completely except, you know, you're doing all the
• 17:47
  right things.
• 17:48
  Mm-hmm.
• 17:48
  Um, the cold plunge is awesome. What do you notice most about
• 17:52
  that?
• 17:54
  Cold plunge, I wish, I n- I, I need to do it more often, but what I notice
• 17:58
  about it is I like how tight my skin feels.
• 18:00
  Mm-hmm.
• 18:00
  And like, 'cause I actually did it, I don't know if I should admit this, but I
• 18:03
  actually did it-
• 18:03
  Admit it all.
• 18:04
  I know. I did it throughout my whole pregnancy with my second-...
• 18:08
  born with my son. And-
• 18:09
  It probably gave you energy, right?
• 18:11
  It gave me so much energy.
• 18:12
  Yeah.
• 18:13
  And, like, the circulation I felt-
• 18:15
  Mm-hmm
• 18:15
  ... like, I just felt so much better.
• 18:17
  And, like, I got mixed reviews, like, "Don't do it," or, "There's nothing showing
• 18:21
  it causes any harm." Like, my hu- my son is healthy, you know?
• 18:24
  But, I loved it while I cold plunged.
• 18:27
  I can't even imagine if you post it, "I'm cold plunging," 'cause people are like,
• 18:30
  "Don't hot yoga. Don't lift anything.
• 18:32
  Like, just be a blob and just sit there."
• 18:34
  No.
• 18:35
  Like sorry now.
• 18:35
  My son was born in July. I was happy to c- cold plunge in
• 18:38
  July.
• 18:40
  Oh my God.
• 18:41
  I am a hot sauna as it is.
• 18:45
  That's so funny. Well, I, I think it's so good.
• 18:49
  I actually did my first official cold plunge.
• 18:51
  I've never been able to tolerate it, so-
• 18:53
  Okay
• 18:53
  ... being able to tolerate the extreme cold is actually a sign of your
• 18:56
  mitochondrial health. Did you know that?
• 18:58
  No, I didn't.
• 18:59
  Yeah. So the state of my mitochondria are much healthier
• 19:03
  now, and I know that because I was able to tolerate one minute, whereas
• 19:07
  before I, I... You know, you go up into your knees into the, the cold
• 19:11
  plunge-
• 19:11
  Uh-huh
• 19:12
  ... you know, whatever is the tub. I, I couldn't go past that
• 19:16
  before. But this time I went all the way up to my neck.
• 19:18
  Good for you.
• 19:19
  So-
• 19:19
  Got your breath taken away?
• 19:20
  Oh, I couldn't even think.
• 19:22
  Yeah.
• 19:22
  I c- and my mind was like, "What's happening?"
• 19:24
  Yep.
• 19:25
  And the guy that ha- has the, he owns the place.
• 19:27
  I think it's called, like, Recover and Co.
• 19:28
  Oh, you know, I think it's Tr- Travis Kenner.
• 19:32
  Travis.
• 19:33
  Yeah, Travis Kenner. So he was, like, telling, he's like, "Box breathe." And I was
• 19:36
  like, "I can't even hear you. Like, I hear you, but, like, I don't even know what
• 19:39
  that is right now."
• 19:40
  Yeah.
• 19:40
  I couldn't even count.
• 19:41
  Yeah.
• 19:41
  He's like, "In four, out four." I'm like, "What?" I couldn't count.
• 19:44
  Yeah.
• 19:44
  It was just, it-
• 19:45
  You're, like, back in Lamaze class.
• 19:46
  Yeah. But it was powerful. Once I got out-
• 19:49
  Yeah
• 19:49
  ... it was like wow.
• 19:51
  Oh, you feel-
• 19:52
  Wow
• 19:52
  ... everything moving through your body, and like-
• 19:54
  Yeah
• 19:54
  ... you feel lighter, and your muscles feel t- like, tight.
• 19:57
  Like-
• 19:57
  Yes
• 19:58
  ... it's the best feeling. Like, I, I want...
• 20:00
  I'm trying to get in as many as I can before it gets hot-
• 20:02
  Mm-hmm
• 20:03
  ... in my pool.
• 20:04
  Yeah.
• 20:04
  'Cause we'll do... We, like, we have, we have, like, ice bags that we'll just throw
• 20:08
  in the tub if we wanna, like, do something in the tub, you know?
• 20:10
  Yeah.
• 20:10
  I don't know how cold plunge-y that is, but it's-
• 20:13
  Yeah
• 20:13
  ... good enough for us.
• 20:13
  Yeah.
• 20:14
  But, no, I wanna get as much as I can before it gets hot, 'cause, like,
• 20:18
  I'm, like, it's, does just so much for me.
• 20:21
  Yeah. It's a dopamine dump. And, I mean, you can, if you did it
• 20:25
  too much, then that would, you know, you could theoretically
• 20:29
  have too much
• 20:31
  a- and then you're, like, adrenal insufficient.
• 20:34
  Got it. So you could burn out. So what would-
• 20:36
  You could burn out
• 20:36
  ... be the ideal amount of time, like, times to cold plunge throughout the week?
• 20:40
  I think, you know, daily. Some people do it twice a day.
• 20:44
  Oh, gosh.
• 20:45
  Yeah. And if it, if you find that it's affecting your sleep, then that's your
• 20:48
  answer, too. Like, if you're-
• 20:50
  Okay
• 20:50
  ... if you're sleeping well at first and you're, like, calm and you're
• 20:54
  comfortable and able to sit in silence without any issues,
• 20:58
  'cause some people struggle with that, you know, then you're good.
• 21:01
  Got it.
• 21:01
  But if you find that those areas are affected and you're, like,
• 21:05
  racey and you can't just lay there or sit still-
• 21:08
  Mm-hmm
• 21:08
  ... that's, that's your sign you probably should back off.
• 21:10
  I try to do, like, the cold plunge in the morning and the steam at night 'cause the
• 21:13
  steam helps to, like, relieve the toxins and-
• 21:16
  Yeah
• 21:16
  ... to relax me a little bit, and I just hop in the shower, and then I just feel so
• 21:19
  clean and light. And-
• 21:21
  Yeah
• 21:21
  ... so I try to do, that's the kinda system I try to do.
• 21:24
  I love that.
• 21:24
  Yeah.
• 21:24
  Well, I think it's definitely working for you.
• 21:26
  Oh, thank you.
• 21:27
  Yeah. And, like, sweating out the toxins, that is a real thing.
• 21:31
  So I, you know, there's part of this that, like, the medicine side of
• 21:35
  me, I was just like, "Okay, yeah, put some flowers on that.
• 21:37
  It's good." But, like-
• 21:39
  Mm-hmm
• 21:39
  ... now that I'm here and I've studied it intensely for several years and,
• 21:43
  like, you know, in Europe and Asia, what are they doing, and, like, just training
• 21:46
  with different scientists and seeing how do you give certain therapies
• 21:50
  and why and when and why not and what happens and what are the different delivery
• 21:54
  systems.
• 21:54
  Mm.
• 21:54
  And, like, the size of every molecule makes the difference of how
• 21:58
  you take it. So whether you're ingesting it, you know,
• 22:02
  intranasal, subQ, intramuscular, all of that, it depends on
• 22:06
  the size of the molecule and, like, where you want it to go.
• 22:10
  So, yeah, I just, ugh, there's just so much to say about
• 22:13
  it.
• 22:14
  It's, it's so cool, though, 'cause ever since I met you, you were always that
• 22:17
  forward thinker. You know?
• 22:19
  Mm-hmm.
• 22:19
  You were in, I think, at school.
• 22:21
  Yeah.
• 22:21
  And I remember you being like, "Well, this doesn't make sense," and, you know, and
• 22:24
  you were trying to explain certain things, and, "I'm gonna look into that." And I
• 22:27
  just remember thinking like, "Wow, she's gonna be such a great doctor."
• 22:31
  Oh, that means a lot.
• 22:31
  Because, like, you don't just look at the paper and say, "Well, your levels are
• 22:35
  fine. Nothing's showing wrong."
• 22:36
  Because this reference range by somebody in, like, the 1900s
• 22:40
  decided-
• 22:41
  That this was the normal.
• 22:42
  This is normal.
• 22:43
  But every body is so different.
• 22:45
  Yeah.
• 22:45
  And you actually dive into, like, well, okay, this is showing normal, but you still
• 22:48
  feel like this, so why?
• 22:50
  Yeah.
• 22:50
  Yeah.
• 22:51
  Yeah. Which is the most best.
• 22:51
  No, I've always loved that about you.
• 22:52
  Oh, thank you. And I think I, I also fall into that
• 22:56
  category. Like, you know, if I look in my labs, I'm mostly
• 23:00
  fine, mostly normal, like, nobody would think anything.
• 23:02
  But then I felt so terrible at some point-
• 23:05
  Mm-hmm
• 23:06
  ... where I'm just like, "I don't know what's wrong with me." So-
• 23:09
  Yeah
• 23:09
  ... really that just also kind of, like, fed that part of me that's like, no,
• 23:13
  let's figure out, like, the spaces in between.
• 23:16
  The, it's really, you know... The reference ranges are enough to keep you
• 23:20
  alive.
• 23:20
  Well, and I feel like-
• 23:21
  That's the goal
• 23:21
  ... you just, like, start to, like, just accept that that's how you feel.
• 23:25
  Yeah.
• 23:25
  You know?
• 23:25
  Yeah.
• 23:25
  So many people are just like, "Well, this is how I feel," and it, they just take
• 23:28
  that as the new norm. And oh my Go- I, I, I can't say that
• 23:32
  Redda did everything for me, but ever since getting on it, just
• 23:36
  the mental clarity and just, like, I don't have pain in my
• 23:40
  joints. Like-
• 23:41
  That's awesome
• 23:41
  ... it's crazy, like, what it did for me.
• 23:43
  So I'm like-
• 23:44
  And metabolic, me- like, metabolically, metabolically.
• 23:47
  Oh my gosh, humans said the word. That adjusted you.
• 23:49
  Yes. What's funny, though, is that it does nothing for my appetite whatsoever.
• 23:53
  I eat so much.
• 23:54
  Interesting.
• 23:54
  I still am getting in my 2,600 calories a day with my macro
• 23:58
  counting.
• 23:58
  Mm-hmm.
• 23:59
  Um, it does make me actually, like, feel full s-
• 24:02
  quicker.
• 24:03
  Mm-hmm.
• 24:03
  So my meals have gotten a little smaller.
• 24:06
  Mm-hmm.
• 24:06
  And, but I'm still eating six to eight times a day.
• 24:09
  Interesting. I mean, it slows your gastric emptying, so maybe
• 24:13
  that's where you're able to eat smaller portions.
• 24:16
  I haven't noticed that part. I'll tell you that right now.
• 24:19
  You just burn it.
• 24:21
  Oh, man.
• 24:22
  Yeah.
• 24:22
  Oh, it's, like, made me more regular than anything.
• 24:26
  I love this.
• 24:27
  Yeah.
• 24:27
  Well, I mean, it's a just, it's such a powerful drug.
• 24:29
  Eli Lilly owns it.
• 24:31
  Okay.
• 24:31
  And I think that's gonna be their next big hit.
• 24:35
  Which I'm nervous about, 'cause I like being able to get access to it.
• 24:38
  Oh, you'll still get it.
• 24:39
  Okay, good.
• 24:41
  Don't you worry.
• 24:41
  Good.
• 24:41
  Don't you guys worry. We can still get anything.
• 24:44
  Okay, good.
• 24:44
  Mm-hmm.
• 24:45
  Yeah, 'cause I see how they're, like, seeing the movement of the peptides, and
• 24:49
  I just, every time there's, like, a BOGO sale, I always, like, get on there 'cause
• 24:52
  I'm, like, trying to just, like, stockpile it.
• 24:56
  A little squirrel behavior.
• 24:57
  Yeah, no. I didn't say that on air.
• 24:59
  Oh.
• 24:59
  Don't come to me if you want it.
• 25:01
  It's okay.
• 25:02
  Come to Valerie.
• 25:02
  Come to me.
• 25:04
  Not that I have everything, but I mean, I have, I have a lot of it.
• 25:07
  Mm-hmm.
• 25:08
  And I try it.
• 25:10
  Why not?
• 25:10
  Yeah.
• 25:11
  Yeah. I did one for memory one time.
• 25:12
  It was, like, N, um-
• 25:14
  NAD?
• 25:15
  Nope. I did that one. That did the opposite of what...
• 25:18
  So that one-
• 25:19
  Nauseous?
• 25:20
  I was na- yeah, I was nauseous. I had headaches.
• 25:24
  I was-
• 25:24
  Dose was too high
• 25:25
  ... angry.
• 25:26
  Mm-hmm.
• 25:27
  Very angry. But what's funny is I went too high on the dose, I went
• 25:31
  higher on the dosage because I felt nothing on the lower dosage.
• 25:35
  So with NAD, you won't really feel, like, anything powerful.
• 25:38
  It's more of those, like, anti-aging, longevity, mitochondrial
• 25:42
  boosters. So every single cell has mitochondria.
• 25:46
  The more mitochondria you have and the healthier they are, the more energy output
• 25:49
  that you have.
• 25:50
  Okay.
• 25:50
  Uh, the more NAD that it makes. That's, like, the money of your body.
• 25:54
  Mm-hmm.
• 25:55
  So it buys and sells, right? So, so the more NAD you have, the better
• 25:59
  that you feel theoretically.
• 26:00
  Got it.
• 26:00
  Um, so performance wise, you could lift stronger and run
• 26:04
  farther. You could think faster, all of those things. That's theoretically.
• 26:08
  Mm-hmm.
• 26:09
  The reality is, does it always get where it needs to go, or is NAD always
• 26:13
  the problem? Because there's only, there is a T-max of everything.
• 26:16
  Mm-hmm.
• 26:17
  So if you reach your T-max and your body is still, like, not
• 26:21
  performing, then it's something else.
• 26:23
  That makes a lot of sense, 'cause I even wondered, I'm like, "Am I even lacking in
• 26:26
  this?"
• 26:26
  You probably weren't.
• 26:27
  Okay. Yeah.
• 26:28
  Yeah.
• 26:29
  But it was fun to try.
• 26:30
  Yeah.
• 26:31
  My husband had a fun time-
• 26:32
  Yeah, well, maybe next time
• 26:32
  ... with that one. It made me angry.
• 26:35
  Like, I don't know what's happening.
• 26:37
  I tried, this NAD patch with glutathione.
• 26:41
  Oh.
• 26:41
  I like glutathione. It's good liver detox.
• 26:43
  Mm.
• 26:43
  It's good just for, like, turning over your cells, autophagy
• 26:47
  efficiency, but it, the, the dose was wrong.
• 26:50
  Got it.
• 26:51
  I mean, I got it online, and there's, like, a doctor that's supposed to be, like,
• 26:54
  you know-
• 26:55
  Regulating?
• 26:55
  ... regulating. But I always like to just, like, walk through these entire
• 26:58
  processes and just, like, see how do I feel.
• 27:01
  Mm-hmm.
• 27:01
  Like, if I'm just a patient and I'm offering this also, what is it like?
• 27:04
  Man, no.
• 27:06
  Now, it was a patch. Did you put, like, over your belly button or something like
• 27:08
  that?
• 27:08
  Yeah. Well, you can put it anywhere on your body.
• 27:10
  Okay.
• 27:10
  So I put it on my glute actually, 'cause it's, like, a large surface area.
• 27:14
  So-
• 27:15
  Let me see that surface area.
• 27:17
  Yeah. So like, and there's a lot of good fat cells there, so that's really good for
• 27:21
  absorption.
• 27:22
  Got it.
• 27:22
  So it was too much. It was like, I was fine for 10 hours.
• 27:26
  No, probably, like, 14, honestly.
• 27:28
  So you're, you can wear it for, like, 14 to 20 hours.
• 27:31
  So I, I think it just reached that, like, maximum point and I was
• 27:35
  just, like, suddenly nauseous. I was vomiting.
• 27:38
  Oh, no. Oh, no.
• 27:38
  Yeah. So you can really go wrong with those-
• 27:41
  Yeah
• 27:41
  ... if the dose is not right.
• 27:43
  Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Be under medical supervision-
• 27:47
  Yeah
• 27:47
  ... by Dr. Valerie Sirmali.
• 27:48
  By me. Yeah, by me. Okay, 'cause I would not let that happen.
• 27:51
  Yeah. No, absolutely.
• 27:52
  And I should know better, 'cause really the, the NAD dose, I wanna say it was
• 27:56
  500, and I haven't been microdosing that.
• 27:58
  Oh, wow.
• 27:59
  Some things you can build up to.
• 28:01
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:01
  NAD's one of those.
• 28:02
  Yeah.
• 28:03
  But, I now actually just got NMN, which is, like, the
• 28:06
  precursor, so I'll see how that goes.
• 28:10
  So what do you mean precursor?
• 28:11
  Precursor means, like, you start with NMN-
• 28:15
  Okay
• 28:15
  ... and then you can use that to make NAD.
• 28:18
  I see. So instead of taking NAD, hopefully-
• 28:20
  Mm-hmm
• 28:21
  ... this will help you produce more NAD naturally.
• 28:23
  Yes. Yes.
• 28:23
  Interesting. Okay.
• 28:24
  Yeah. It's like fueling gas to, like, the machine.
• 28:27
  Okay.
• 28:28
  So-
• 28:28
  I like that.
• 28:29
  Yeah.
• 28:29
  You'll tell, tell me how that goes.
• 28:30
  Yeah, I will.
• 28:31
  Maybe that's what I'm missing.
• 28:32
  Maybe. So, like, your mitochondria matter, the integrity of, like, the
• 28:36
  structures, if it's, like, a good, healthy,
• 28:40
  functioning organelle. Like, all of that stuff matters, so I always try to
• 28:44
  think, like, if I'm supplementing, am I, which, am I adding to build the
• 28:48
  wall? Am I adding to make more output?
• 28:51
  Am I giving it more fuel? I'm always thinking, like, how am I feeding them?
• 28:54
  Got it.
• 28:54
  Or supporting my mitochondria.
• 28:56
  Okay. That's a good way to look at it.
• 28:57
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:57
  Yeah. Okay.
• 28:59
  Yeah. And there's lab tests that I do every three months to just
• 29:03
  kind of prove that what I'm doing does work.
• 29:06
  Okay.
• 29:06
  Because these are measurable.
• 29:07
  Yeah.
• 29:07
  Um, the mitochondria make different enzymes, and so I ch- I check those
• 29:11
  levels, and you can just see the impact, you know.
• 29:14
  And sometimes, you know, I do take it too far with some things.
• 29:17
  Like vitamin D, I was overdoing it, and then-
• 29:20
  Mm-hmm
• 29:20
  ... I stopped, and then I was too low, so, like, I need something in the middle.
• 29:24
  Yeah. I was taking vi- I realized I needed vitamin D because
• 29:28
  remember we were just having, like, rain and clouds and, like-
• 29:30
  Yes
• 29:31
  ... we had, like, this crazy winter that we're not used to here.
• 29:33
  Yeah.
• 29:34
  And I'm like, "God, what is wrong with me?" Like, my energy levels are bad.
• 29:37
  Like, I'm so tired.
• 29:38
  Really sensitive to it.
• 29:39
  Yeah. So I started supplementing with vitamin D, and it made a huge difference.
• 29:43
  I was sleeping better.
• 29:44
  Wow.
• 29:45
  I think I actually, now that I think about, like, that's probably what I'm missing
• 29:47
  in my diet right now is vitamin D.
• 29:49
  I think same. It's, um... Do you take it with
• 29:52
  K2?
• 29:54
  No, I don't.
• 29:55
  Okay.
• 29:56
  Should I?
• 29:56
  It's a hormone. You should.
• 29:57
  Okay.
• 29:58
  Yeah. And that has to do with your calcium and maintaining your bones.
• 30:01
  Okay.
• 30:01
  'Cause it's, like, vitamin D mobilizes the calcium, and then K2
• 30:05
  helps to move it where you want it to go.
• 30:07
  Oh, okay.
• 30:07
  So they need both, like a little marriage.
• 30:10
  I love it.
• 30:10
  Yeah.
• 30:11
  Till death do us part. Now, you said, is, is that a supplement, or
• 30:15
  is that-
• 30:15
  Yeah.
• 30:15
  Okay.
• 30:16
  Yeah. So yeah, D3 with
• 30:19
  K2.Perfect.
• 30:21
  Perfect.
• 30:22
  Yeah
• 30:22
  Testimony.
• 30:23
  Okay.
• 30:23
  Yeah.
• 30:23
  I like it. So how's work stuff?
• 30:26
  Work stuff is good. Uh, it's been busy.
• 30:29
  Um, I know like a lot of my social media shows like the real estate stuff, but-
• 30:33
  They're so cute
• 30:34
  ... they're f- it's-
• 30:34
  I love your... Yeah, they're adorable.
• 30:36
  I try to be that quirky realtor.
• 30:37
  Yeah
• 30:37
  ... you know? Like, we're gonna have some fun.
• 30:39
  Yeah.
• 30:39
  I'm good at negotiations too, so I'm like-
• 30:41
  Oh my God
• 30:41
  ... let's have some fun, but we're gonna have fun doing this, you know?
• 30:44
  You know what, like how to break up.
• 30:45
  Yeah, how to break up. Go put your ex's name on a sign-in sheet at an open
• 30:49
  house that you're ready to sell. Yeah, it's a true story.
• 30:53
  Yeah.
• 30:53
  I'm following up on all those sign-in sheets every time they leave, but um-
• 30:57
  That's so good
• 30:57
  ... no, one of the fun things about, um...
• 31:00
  It's been nice 'cause I've been able to have a little bit more flexibility with the
• 31:02
  schedule, but I got into selling life insurance.
• 31:04
  And kind of like related with like health and medical, and I
• 31:08
  know that you see this all the time, so one of what our,
• 31:12
  policies carry is a living benefit rider.
• 31:16
  So you don't have to die to get your policy.
• 31:19
  Wow.
• 31:19
  So if you get critical chronic or fatal, you can cash
• 31:23
  in on your policy up to 90% of your policy.
• 31:27
  You can pay out of pocket to the doctors you wanna see.
• 31:30
  You can pay for the medication that maybe your insurance doesn't cover.
• 31:33
  You can cover your mortgage. You can cover-
• 31:35
  Peptides?
• 31:35
  ... missing... You can cover peptides.
• 31:37
  Wow.
• 31:37
  You can cover, you know, the work that you're missing.
• 31:39
  Like, it's so crucial. Like, how many GoFundMes do you
• 31:43
  see when someone like hits a catastrophe 'cause no one has savings these days?
• 31:47
  Yeah.
• 31:47
  Like, you have a life insurance policy now that you can pull forward.
• 31:51
  Mm-hmm.
• 31:51
  My business partner and I, the reason why she got into it is 'cause her and her
• 31:54
  husband had recently gotten insurance policies through this company that I work,
• 31:58
  now I work for, and about three months later, her
• 32:01
  husband found, they found like a five-pound mass wrapped around his lungs
• 32:06
  and-
• 32:07
  Oh my gosh
• 32:07
  ... of course, like, you know-
• 32:08
  Does he smoke?
• 32:09
  No, he-
• 32:10
  No
• 32:10
  ... but it was, stage four cancer.
• 32:13
  It's okay. Dead.
• 32:14
  I could be getting it wrong. It could be, could've been his heart, but I'm pretty
• 32:16
  sure it was his lungs. They f- yeah-
• 32:18
  Oh
• 32:18
  ... 'cause they thought he had pneumonia.
• 32:19
  So they go in, they find the cancer, and they're like, "I don't
• 32:23
  know that this is treatable." So their agent called them and
• 32:27
  said, "You have living benefits. You guys just got million-dollar policies." They
• 32:31
  were able to cash in on $900,000-
• 32:34
  Oh my gosh
• 32:35
  ... and pay for the specialty doctors that they needed to see.
• 32:39
  Mm-hmm.
• 32:39
  They didn't have to stay with the network, and he is now healed, alive and well,
• 32:43
  working today, and they had money left over that then they then
• 32:46
  reinvested, and now they're set for life.
• 32:49
  That's incredible.
• 32:51
  It's, it's-
• 32:51
  Like how often do you have like good stories with insurance?
• 32:54
  You don't, and so that's why I kind of fell in love with it, because
• 32:58
  living benefits, you don't realize how desperately you need them until you need
• 33:01
  them.
• 33:02
  Hmm.
• 33:02
  You know? And then even if like, say, for instance, like you do end up passing
• 33:06
  after ca- cashing in, at least you still probably will have money left over, or
• 33:10
  at least you had money to fight to be here longer.
• 33:13
  Mm-hmm.
• 33:13
  You know?
• 33:14
  Yeah.
• 33:14
  It's just so important, so, that's been a really fun
• 33:18
  thing, 'cause like I get to like help families get that set up.
• 33:22
  Yeah.
• 33:22
  So that's really-
• 33:22
  I think I need to talk to you. I don't have...
• 33:24
  Okay, so I have insurance, but not like, it doesn't sound like any fun ones like
• 33:28
  that. I have -
• 33:29
  Let's get fun.
• 33:30
  ... health practice, I have car insurance-
• 33:32
  Yeah
• 33:33
  ... then workers' comp insurance, general liability.
• 33:35
  I don't enjoy paying those, but if there's something-
• 33:37
  You have to, especially in California though.
• 33:40
  I know. I know. It's funny, I didn't realize like how expensive it
• 33:43
  was, and, 'cause I bought this business, in assisted
• 33:47
  livings, and now it's like just such a joke in the
• 33:50
  industry. Like they're like, "Oh, yeah, of course, that's the worst part." And I'm
• 33:54
  like, "No one told me the worst part."
• 33:56
  Yes. No one prepared me for this.
• 33:58
  No, they didn't.
• 33:59
  No.
• 33:59
  So it's just wildly expensive, and it's just for no reason.
• 34:03
  And doesn't it go up like every year or something like that?
• 34:06
  It does go up every year.
• 34:07
  Yeah.
• 34:07
  And even worse, in this situation, there was a gap, because the
• 34:11
  person prior to me like canceled it, so there was a gap in coverage,
• 34:15
  so then yay me.
• 34:16
  You got to pick up that bill.
• 34:18
  I got to pick that bill up.
• 34:18
  Oh, no.
• 34:19
  And I was like, "Can I just get sued instead and just see what happens?" And
• 34:22
  like so-
• 34:25
  Don't sue me.
• 34:25
  Yeah, and the rep didn't think I, I was serious, and she's like, "No, it's
• 34:28
  illegal." And I'm like, "Oh, God." I just would rather almost get sued for a
• 34:32
  million dollars, and then we deal with it.
• 34:34
  That is insane, but then you, you go really up.
• 34:37
  Yeah.
• 34:37
  I'm kind of relating it to, 'cause like my mom had her business like growing up,
• 34:41
  and like workman's comp insurance was insane.
• 34:43
  It's insane.
• 34:44
  And anytime there's a claim filed, your insurance goes up.
• 34:46
  Yes.
• 34:46
  And eventually you can't even afford it.
• 34:47
  Whether it's your fault or not.
• 34:48
  Exactly.
• 34:49
  Yeah.
• 34:49
  Like I remember it sh- her having to send out investigators to like, to
• 34:53
  invest- to see if like it was actually true if they got hurt.
• 34:56
  Mm-hmm.
• 34:56
  And I remember one person who walked into the courtroom on crutches,
• 35:00
  neck brace, and they had him on camera playing
• 35:02
  soccer.
• 35:04
  Like classic Hollywood.
• 35:05
  Like what?
• 35:05
  It's like classic.
• 35:07
  It's like, and these people get away with it.
• 35:10
  It's crazy.
• 35:10
  It's insanity. And then you're the one to foot the bill.
• 35:12
  Oh my gosh.
• 35:13
  It's so sad.
• 35:14
  It's so sad.
• 35:15
  'Cause then it like hurts good, like hardworking businesswomen like yourself or
• 35:19
  business-
• 35:20
  Yep
• 35:20
  ... people-
• 35:20
  Yep
• 35:20
  ... that actually are trying to help others.
• 35:23
  Yeah.
• 35:23
  You know? And then you get this claim put on yourself, and it's like- ...
• 35:26
  you didn't even do anything for it.
• 35:27
  Yeah. No, and there's... You know, mostly they just want a payout, so it's like, I
• 35:31
  don't know.
• 35:32
  Yeah. Mm-mm.
• 35:33
  Oh.
• 35:34
  That does not sound fun.
• 35:35
  Yay. But you have something that is not any of those things.
• 35:38
  No.
• 35:39
  So this is definitely like a, a brighter side of
• 35:43
  insurance, and-
• 35:44
  Absolutely
• 35:45
  ... I mean, and this would be something that I could go to, like as a single, like
• 35:48
  working professional, like and it would still be good for someone like me.
• 35:52
  Absolutely. And like not only for you as a single working professional and
• 35:56
  like because you're self-employed, we actually have policies that you can,
• 36:00
  pay into tax-free retirement.
• 36:02
  Ooh.
• 36:02
  All at-
• 36:03
  Tax-free. You had me there
• 36:04
  ... all caps, tax-free.
• 36:05
  I love that so much.
• 36:06
  So it's in like an index account.
• 36:08
  Okay.
• 36:08
  And so, so yeah, we can talk about that. But it, uh...
• 36:12
  So it's cool because, you know, when we look at our 401s, we're like, "Oh, sweet, I
• 36:16
  have-"$5 million when I retire, but then how much of that is
• 36:20
  taxed?
• 36:21
  Oh, how much of it?
• 36:21
  We don't even know how much is taxed.
• 36:23
  Yeah.
• 36:23
  You know?
• 36:23
  Yeah.
• 36:24
  And so on this, it's tax-free.
• 36:26
  I just threw half out. I actually don't know.
• 36:28
  It's about right. You never know 'cause it depends on what the fed rate's at.
• 36:31
  Yeah.
• 36:31
  Right? So it could be, you know, who knows?
• 36:34
  Yeah.
• 36:34
  But, with this, it's tax-free retirement, it's living benefits, it's death
• 36:38
  benefits. It's just the sa- I always tell people, like don't just ...
• 36:41
  If you choose to go this route, don't just have this.
• 36:44
  Mm-hmm.
• 36:44
  But have this to protect your retirement.
• 36:46
  Mm-hmm.
• 36:47
  And then save some money for fun money to like play in the market,
• 36:50
  because what's nice with the, with this policy with that we provide is that
• 36:54
  when the market dips, you don't lose any money.
• 36:57
  Oh my gosh.
• 36:57
  It's a no money loss guarantee.
• 36:59
  That's ... Okay, that's like a game changer.
• 37:01
  Yes.
• 37:01
  That's a game changer.
• 37:02
  So when the market-
• 37:03
  I hadn't think of that
• 37:03
  ... drops, there's like a lock that happens on your account.
• 37:06
  Oh.
• 37:06
  And so your money doesn't drop, but when the market goes back up-
• 37:09
  Mm-hmm
• 37:09
  ... then the lock is released and your mon- and then your account goes back up.
• 37:13
  Wow.
• 37:14
  So it's pretty incredible.
• 37:16
  That's wonderful.
• 37:16
  It, it almost sounds too good to be true, but it really isn't.
• 37:19
  Yeah.
• 37:19
  Um, it's not suitable for everybody.
• 37:21
  Mm-hmm.
• 37:21
  It depends on age, because it is life insurance, so it depends on your health, it
• 37:25
  depends on your age, what your rate is.
• 37:26
  Right.
• 37:27
  Um-
• 37:27
  Like if you're not healthy, then you would have a, a much higher rate.
• 37:30
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 37:31
  Yeah.
• 37:31
  Um, so it, it's, like I said, it's not for everybody, but that's why we have like
• 37:35
  term policies, whole life pols. There's other things-
• 37:37
  Yeah
• 37:37
  ... that we can do. Um, but definitely for like your situation, I
• 37:41
  would-
• 37:41
  Definitely
• 37:41
  ... definitely do an IUL.
• 37:43
  Okay.
• 37:43
  Yeah.
• 37:44
  IUL me.
• 37:45
  Let's do it.
• 37:47
  I don't know all the things with it, but I think I, I would definitely do ...
• 37:51
  Yeah, I need that.
• 37:52
  It's just like a-
• 37:53
  Need this.
• 37:53
  It's like, so you don't go to Vegas with all your money, right?
• 37:56
  You go with a, with an amount that you know you're okay with losing.
• 37:58
  I'm the one that shows up with like 50 bucks. Like, I played.
• 38:02
  Yeah.
• 38:02
  And I didn't win.
• 38:04
  And I lost it in one hand 'cause it was $50.
• 38:07
  But you don't go to, like you don't wanna do that with your retirement, right?
• 38:10
  Yeah.
• 38:10
  Like, that's why I say like save some fun money for the market, like, 'cause I'm
• 38:14
  not the person that's like, "You should only have these policies." No.
• 38:17
  Yeah.
• 38:18
  Because your, your growth is capped-
• 38:20
  Yeah
• 38:20
  ... with an IUL. So, there's a ceiling on it.
• 38:23
  So-
• 38:24
  Oh, okay.
• 38:24
  But it is safe because you'll never lose money.
• 38:26
  Yeah.
• 38:26
  Now, with a 401, you can lose a lot.
• 38:29
  Yeah.
• 38:29
  You can gain a lot.
• 38:30
  Yeah.
• 38:30
  That's why, I always suggest to people, like have a little
• 38:34
  b- your hands in a little bit of both.
• 38:36
  Mm-hmm.
• 38:36
  Do some smart investing. You know-
• 38:37
  Okay
• 38:37
  ... have a safety net, but then also have like a little bit of money that you can
• 38:40
  play with, and like, and if you lose it, it's not gonna k**l y*u.
• 38:43
  Yeah, definitely.
• 38:44
  Mm-hmm.
• 38:45
  Did you have somebody to like guide you through all this or did you have to do a
• 38:48
  course? How did you get, how did you dip a toe and then dive in?
• 38:51
  Oh, gosh. Yeah, I have a broker.
• 38:54
  Okay.
• 38:55
  Him and I are always fighting.
• 38:57
  I bet. Are you more like ambitious or-
• 39:00
  It's not that. It's just that I'm so-
• 39:02
  Like, "Drive faster"
• 39:03
  ... I'm so busy that I'm like, "You're not laying this out, like, as plainly as
• 39:07
  I need it." Like, and-
• 39:08
  Yes
• 39:08
  ... so I'm always like-
• 39:09
  There's a learning curve with it, right?
• 39:10
  There's def- it ... Well, and there's so much to learn.
• 39:13
  Yeah.
• 39:13
  And you really only get it with hands-on experience.
• 39:15
  Yeah.
• 39:16
  And so, yeah, if he ever hears this podcast, he's definitely gonna be like, "Yeah,
• 39:20
  I always put her on mute."
• 39:22
  Did you call often? Like too much?
• 39:24
  No, it's not that. I just like, on the insurance
• 39:28
  side, they don't make it very user friendly.
• 39:31
  Yeah.
• 39:31
  And then when you get appointed to different insurance, like,
• 39:35
  providers-
• 39:35
  Mm-hmm
• 39:36
  ... you have to like, I am appointed-
• 39:38
  I didn't understand that
• 39:39
  ... to like eight separate companies.
• 39:41
  Oh.
• 39:41
  And they all required the same documentation-
• 39:44
  Yeah
• 39:44
  ... but in different forms. So you have to fill it
• 39:48
  out e- eight different times, the same piece of information.
• 39:52
  Like-
• 39:52
  Oh my God
• 39:53
  ... it's just-
• 39:54
  I hate that.
• 39:54
  And now-
• 39:54
  I'm an anti-form person.
• 39:56
  Oh.
• 39:56
  I'm not good with... I'm like-
• 39:57
  It's awful
• 39:58
  ... you send it to me, I'm, I lost it.
• 40:00
  Well, and like I even tried this, 'cause like one company required the exact same
• 40:03
  doc- exact same documents.
• 40:05
  Yeah.
• 40:05
  It just had their logo on it.
• 40:06
  Uh-huh.
• 40:07
  I submitted what I did for the another company, and they're like, "This isn't the
• 40:10
  proper documents." And I was like, "You're, you're h- you're...
• 40:14
  Okay. I'm okay." So-
• 40:17
  You had to like self-manage
• 40:17
  ... I'm just gonna copy and paste-
• 40:19
  Self-manage
• 40:19
  ... the logo on this so that I don't have to re-fill out these freaking
• 40:21
  forms.
• 40:23
  Oh my gosh.
• 40:23
  So that's more when I get frustrated, 'cause I, like I am always yelling at him
• 40:26
  like, "You didn't prepare me for this," like-
• 40:28
  It feels not efficient.
• 40:30
  It's not. It's such a waste of time.
• 40:32
  Yeah.
• 40:33
  You know?
• 40:33
  Yeah.
• 40:33
  It's like they need to have a system. Maybe that's what we'll do.
• 40:35
  We'll create a new system to like make all these forms.
• 40:37
  Ooh, a central form database. Ooh, that's really
• 40:41
  good.
• 40:41
  Oh, my ... It needs it.
• 40:42
  And we'll force them to use it.
• 40:44
  Yes. Sell it to them. Sell it to National Life.
• 40:47
  To the government.
• 40:47
  Sell it to FNG.
• 40:48
  Yeah.
• 40:48
  Like sell it to all of them because it's ridiculous.
• 40:51
  I know what you're talking about. I mean, just in walking through different
• 40:54
  insurance options for workers' comp, general
• 40:57
  liability-
• 40:58
  Mm-hmm
• 40:58
  ... malpractice, I am melt- like I was melting down.
• 41:02
  I had to like just circle back and like just table it.
• 41:04
  I'm gonna come back to this-
• 41:05
  Yeah
• 41:05
  ... tomorrow 'cause I just don't have any left.
• 41:07
  Well, and it's unfortunate 'cause like that's normally a time when it's like I'm
• 41:10
  gonna hand this off to an assistant, because I don't do well if I'm being-
• 41:14
  Can you?
• 41:14
  ... bogged down by this. But then-
• 41:15
  I know.
• 41:16
  But then-
• 41:16
  Can they get it done?
• 41:17
  Can they get it done? Is it proper?
• 41:19
  Is it right?
• 41:19
  Yes.
• 41:20
  Am I vulnerable now?
• 41:23
  I thought this was signed off on. Now I'm getting sued, and apparently she didn't
• 41:26
  fill out my LNO or whatever.
• 41:28
  And guess what? Nobody cares about that story.
• 41:30
  Oh, your assistant filled it out wrong? Okay.
• 41:33
  I'm so sorry for your loss.
• 41:34
  Poor little thing.
• 41:36
  Exactly.
• 41:36
  Oh.
• 41:37
  I know. That's where I fall too. Like I'm such a control freak that like I need to
• 41:40
  make sure everything's done, but I do.
• 41:42
  When you throw a document-
• 41:44
  Don't get me started
• 41:44
  ... in front of me, I go blank, and it feels like you just put the weight of the
• 41:47
  world on me.
• 41:48
  That's the ADD kicking in.
• 41:50
  Oh, my. I can't.
• 41:52
  I just, I have one million things to do but this?
• 41:54
  Yeah. Like I want my feet moving, not my fingers.
• 41:57
  Like
• 41:58
  sorry, just doesn't work that way.
• 42:00
  Oh my gosh. And like it's funny 'cause I mean, I'm that way with like all
• 42:03
  forms, so like insurance, yes, definitely.
• 42:05
  Mm-hmm.
• 42:06
  It's like the most like not sexy thing to do ever.
• 42:08
  No.
• 42:09
  And, but it has to be done.
• 42:11
  Absolutely.
• 42:12
  It has to be done. And it's so worthwhile to do.
• 42:15
  Mm-hmm.
• 42:15
  But I just don't ... It's ... I wanna do one other thing.
• 42:18
  Well, and it's one of those things that like, you know, I have so many people that
• 42:21
  like I've chatted with, they're like, "Okay, we are gonna sign up," and then it's
• 42:24
  like you check in with them a month later.
• 42:25
  "Okay, we're, we're gonna sit down and we're gonna do it." And then you check in
• 42:27
  with them a month later.
• 42:28
  That's gonna be me. But I will do it.
• 42:29
  But it's one of those things that it's like if you put it off for too long, then
• 42:33
  you're gonna hit a day where you wish you had it and you don't have it.
• 42:36
  Oh, I don't want that day.
• 42:38
  Exactly.
• 42:38
  Is that the rainy day?
• 42:39
  That's the rainy day, 'cause eventually it does dump.
• 42:43
  So don't wait for the rainy day. Just get it done.
• 42:46
  So Kristin, I would do the paperwork. I would.
• 42:49
  Oh, I'd do it for you, mostly.
• 42:51
  Oh.
• 42:51
  You're welcome.
• 42:52
  Hearts.
• 42:54
  I send you the 10 pages, and then I fill out the 100.
• 42:56
  Oh my gosh, that's like, that's everything.
• 42:59
  Yeah.
• 42:59
  So I'm sure you're killing it because, I mean, most people just send you the form.
• 43:02
  No, I try to... Like, everyone's busy, so there's like 10 pages in our
• 43:06
  documents that, like, give me all the general information that I need, and if I
• 43:09
  need anything else, then I just text you.
• 43:11
  Okay.
• 43:12
  Um, and then it, and then even, I even submit it for you.
• 43:15
  Oh my gosh.
• 43:15
  I'll FedEx it in next day-
• 43:17
  Thank you
• 43:17
  ... so that you don't even have to stress about that.
• 43:19
  Signing into portals, ugh.
• 43:21
  I know.
• 43:22
  I'm the worst. I just, I die.
• 43:24
  Well, that's part of what's an issue too.
• 43:26
  It's like I have all these companies that now I'm affiliated with-
• 43:28
  Yeah
• 43:28
  ... and now I have all these different portals and it's so dumb.
• 43:33
  Can't we all just be in the same little box?
• 43:35
  Right. It just seems like it would make the most sense, but then nobody, like,
• 43:39
  wants to play in the same box.
• 43:40
  No.
• 43:41
  They're like, "This is my box."
• 43:42
  They're like, "This is my box. Get out of it."
• 43:43
  Yeah.
• 43:45
  No, it's a whole language. I mean, I feel bad for, like, the reps that had to
• 43:49
  onboard me with, like, workers comp and all that stuff.
• 43:52
  Oh, gosh.
• 43:52
  'Cause I just didn't even understand.
• 43:53
  Like, policy number, there's, like, a lot of numbers on here.
• 43:56
  Which number do you want?
• 43:57
  You're like, and then you call in, and they're like, "Give me pol- this accident.
• 44:00
  Which one is that? Is that the 10 number one?
• 44:02
  Is that the five number one?"
• 44:03
  Yeah. Yes, and then if you have, you know, more than a few businesses at
• 44:07
  this point, which I do-
• 44:08
  Yeah
• 44:08
  ... then it's like, oh my God, which address? I don't even know.
• 44:11
  And then if someone else, like, like an assistant does the paperwork-
• 44:14
  Yes
• 44:14
  ... then it's like, I don't even know what they thought, which was the right
• 44:17
  address. Like, I'm-
• 44:18
  Yeah
• 44:18
  ... I'm screwed.
• 44:19
  That's why, like, I am so grateful for my husband 'cause he is, like, the most
• 44:22
  organized human being I've ever met.
• 44:24
  Bless him.
• 44:24
  And I am not.
• 44:25
  No.
• 44:26
  Like, he is all about-
• 44:28
  I admit that
• 44:28
  ... document- Yeah, and I openly admit that.
• 44:30
  Mm-hmm.
• 44:30
  Like, but
• 44:32
  f- his help, he has got me significant...
• 44:34
  Like, he has binders in my car for me.
• 44:36
  Oh, I love a good binder.
• 44:38
  I j- who'd ever think-
• 44:39
  Who hates-
• 44:39
  ... you'd get hot and bothered by a binder?
• 44:42
  I love tabs. I love stickers.
• 44:44
  Oh, yeah.
• 44:45
  Color-coded, alphabetical.
• 44:46
  Color-coded, yep.
• 44:47
  Stop.
• 44:48
  Yes. Now you're-
• 44:49
  Don't
• 44:49
  ... talking dirty.
• 44:50
  Yeah.
• 44:51
  Yes. I know. He came home with, like, a binder from it, 'cause I'm like, "I need
• 44:53
  a..." Like, I, I show all these homes, and I have these documents from this
• 44:57
  insurance client. Like, I need to have it organized 'cause I'm in my car a lot.
• 45:01
  He comes home with, like, a, a labeled doc- or a labeled binder for me, and I'll-
• 45:04
  Oh my gosh
• 45:04
  ... he's like, "Here you go, honey." And I'm like, "Oh"-
• 45:06
  All done
• 45:07
  ... "You are the sexiest man alive."
• 45:09
  Oh my gosh. I just... Oh.
• 45:11
  Yeah, it's the best.
• 45:12
  I know.
• 45:12
  But being organized, ugh, I still have a ways to go, but I'm getting
• 45:16
  better.
• 45:18
  What does your car look like right now?
• 45:20
  Uh, we don't need to talk about that.
• 45:22
  Okay. No, we can move it on. My-
• 45:24
  I blame it on my kids.
• 45:25
  Yeah.
• 45:25
  Mm-hmm. I've been on a wait list for a car that I'm waiting to come, so I feel like
• 45:29
  that's also why I'm kind of lazy.
• 45:29
  Sounds like a Tesla truck.
• 45:31
  Yeah, I'm kinda letting my car really g* t* h**l because I know it's
• 45:35
  not gonna be in my possession for much longer, and so I need to stop using that
• 45:38
  excuse 'cause I don't know how long this wait list is gonna be.
• 45:40
  Oh my gosh. I heard it's, like, a year.
• 45:42
  Oh, don't tell me that.
• 45:44
  Okay. I mean, maybe it's not true. Maybe it's not true. I think it's tomorrow.
• 45:49
  I want that car.
• 45:50
  Yeah, I can't wait, but I need to, like... Yeah. I even got, like, a Mr.
• 45:53
  Clean, like, membership, so I can go into the cruise
• 45:57
  through. Like-
• 45:58
  Just the act of the driving through part, I just don't do.
• 46:01
  No?
• 46:01
  I can't. I won't, I won't do it.
• 46:03
  Now that I have an unlimited membership, shoot, I go in there, like, every other
• 46:05
  day.
• 46:05
  That's fantastic.
• 46:06
  Is it raining today? Oh, that's okay. I can go in the dryer.
• 46:10
  No, I love it now.
• 46:11
  Oh my gosh.
• 46:11
  Now it's just fun. It's, like, my daughter's favorite thing to do is go through the
• 46:14
  car wash.
• 46:14
  Oh my gosh, joy.
• 46:15
  She loves the car wash. Forget the $30 toy at
• 46:19
  Walmart. Like, go get the $30 membership at Mr.
• 46:22
  Clean-
• 46:22
  Oh my gosh
• 46:22
  ... and go through the car wash with your kids.
• 46:24
  You gotta bring back simple joys then.
• 46:26
  No kidding. They like the box more than the toy, I'll tell you that.
• 46:29
  Uh, lately my bad habit, I've been, so, like, I have this mushroom
• 46:33
  coffee or a protein shake, either one-
• 46:35
  Mm-hmm
• 46:35
  ... but both of them have, like, a milk
• 46:37
  component. And so I like to just spill it, you know?
• 46:40
  Like, I just spill it in the car, and I'm like, "Oh my God, that
• 46:44
  smell."
• 46:44
  Yeah.
• 46:44
  The smell to get it out is just, like, tremendous.
• 46:47
  Which mushroom coffee do you like using?
• 46:49
  Daily Dose.
• 46:50
  I don't think I've tried that one. I've tried the Layered.
• 46:52
  I haven't tried Layered. But I've tried a lot of different f- brand
• 46:56
  names, and I feel like this one doesn't have a weird dirt taste.
• 46:59
  Okay.
• 47:00
  So I think that's definitely my favorite.
• 47:02
  Okay. I'll have to try it.
• 47:04
  Yeah.
• 47:04
  Yeah. I'm always, like... I'm not a huge coffee drinker just because
• 47:08
  I only generally need, like, three sips.
• 47:11
  Yeah.
• 47:12
  'Cause then, like, I'm really buzzing.
• 47:13
  I like that it's three.
• 47:15
  It really... Like, it's so funny 'cause, like, my husband will make coffee, and
• 47:18
  he's like, "Are you gonna have any?" I'm like, "Why do you even ask?" Because it's
• 47:21
  like it doesn't even matter if I'm gonna have any 'cause I literally fill it up
• 47:24
  with, like, I... It's, like, the size of an espresso shot.
• 47:27
  That's literally how much coffee I will have if I have coffee.
• 47:29
  Like a mouse.
• 47:30
  And oh my gosh. And then I am zinging.
• 47:33
  Like, go, like, that's why it's dangerous for me.
• 47:35
  Like, I am so sensitive to caffeine.
• 47:36
  Oh my gosh. Well, you're little, so it makes sense.
• 47:38
  Oh, God. I need, like, need to calm down, especially with those espresso
• 47:41
  martinis. Oh, man.
• 47:43
  Oh my gosh. Oh, espresso martinis, that's another level.
• 47:46
  Yes.
• 47:47
  You just leveled up right now.
• 47:48
  Oh.
• 47:48
  Did I miss that? How'd I miss the martini part?
• 47:50
  Oh my gosh, yeah. No, I think I threw that in at the last minute.
• 47:53
  Okay.
• 47:55
  No, but, like-
• 47:55
  What starts your day?
• 47:57
  Bruncheon. Bruncheon all day.
• 47:59
  Oh my gosh. I haven't brunched like that in so long.
• 48:01
  Neither have I. I'm like-
• 48:02
  I can't even picture it
• 48:03
  ... I feel like I'm creating a story in my head-
• 48:05
  Mm
• 48:05
  ... 'cause, like, I haven't.
• 48:07
  Like, this is brunch. Us talking about brunch, we just brunched.
• 48:10
  Yeah. So then, like, you create the scenario in your head.
• 48:12
  Yeah.
• 48:12
  So here we are. We're sitting at Luigi's.
• 48:14
  We're having our espresso martinis, right?
• 48:16
  And it's perfect weather.
• 48:17
  Oh my God, we're sitting outside.
• 48:18
  Yeah.
• 48:18
  Remember that day? Oh, my, I'm just picturing it.
• 48:20
  It's... Oh, yeah. And that martini is just everything.
• 48:23
  Oh, yeah. No. I know, but then, like, I hate myself.
• 48:26
  Like, that's something else that the Reda did for me.
• 48:29
  It, it, it showed me what my body hated.
• 48:32
  It's very interesting. Like, even, like, fruits and vegetables that, like-
• 48:35
  I love that description.
• 48:37
  Huh?
• 48:37
  I like that you just described it that way.
• 48:39
  Yeah, like, it, it identified that for me.
• 48:42
  It takes away the reward.
• 48:42
  Yeah. Well, because, like, you think, like, because I'm consuming this amount of
• 48:45
  fruits and veggies during the day, like, why do I still feel like c**p?
• 48:48
  Mm-hmm.
• 48:48
  But I had that test done with you, that microbiome test.
• 48:52
  Oh, yeah.
• 48:52
  And I remember that, like, in that it told me that, like, bell peppers didn't like
• 48:56
  me. And I was like, screw you.
• 48:57
  Asparagus doesn't like me.
• 48:59
  Really?
• 48:59
  Yeah.
• 49:00
  It d- I don't remember if it was asparagus, but I remember bell peppers 'cause I
• 49:03
  remember we do fajitas all the time for meal prep.
• 49:05
  Uh-huh.
• 49:05
  And now every time I have fajitas, I get sick.
• 49:08
  It's so interesting. What about onions?
• 49:10
  Onions don't bother me, just bell peppers
• 49:13
  Okay. Yeah, I can't do onions. And I, I mean, I love them. I like the flavor.
• 49:16
  Mm-hmm.
• 49:17
  But yeah.
• 49:18
  Like, your body just doesn't-
• 49:19
  Mm-mm.
• 49:19
  Oh, man, but if I have a d- a dri- couple drinks, I am
• 49:23
  paying for it the next day, like, as if-
• 49:25
  Yeah
• 49:25
  ... I was like all-nighter back in high school.
• 49:28
  Like, it does not agree with me.
• 49:30
  It's not worth it.
• 49:31
  It's not. It-
• 49:31
  Yeah
• 49:31
  ... I, like, literally when I ran into the other night, I had two, and I'm like,
• 49:34
  "Why? W- My husband wasn't even drinking.
• 49:36
  Why?" Like, and the next day, I was just, like, miserable.
• 49:40
  So, like, that's part of what I think-
• 49:41
  Old habits die hard.
• 49:42
  It is. And, like, I feel like that's part of what's helped with my inflammation,
• 49:45
  too, 'cause I, like, I very rarely drink.
• 49:47
  Yeah.
• 49:48
  Like, I really am so focused on, like, health and fitness and mind that, like,
• 49:52
  I don't even have time to drink 'cause I'm so busy.
• 49:54
  That's such a healthier way to live. Like, alcohol is just ...
• 49:58
  The, all the scientists and doctors that
• 50:00
  I know and just admire, like, they don't touch it.
• 50:03
  Yeah. It's not good for you. It really isn't.
• 50:06
  I'm in the transition phase.
• 50:07
  So I have a question about that. So, like, I remember a friend of mine wh-
• 50:11
  she did pass from cancer, but I remember the doctor telling her she was okay
• 50:15
  to consume alcohol, wine, while she was going through chemo.
• 50:18
  That sounds so counterproductive to me because you have all, like, the
• 50:22
  alcohol, the sugars, like, it attacks the body.
• 50:25
  Like, I'm no doctor by any means, but when she, we were all having
• 50:29
  after work, like, some wine, I'm like, "Why are you drinking?
• 50:31
  Like, doesn't that weaken your system?" She goes, "No, my doctor told me I
• 50:34
  could." So-
• 50:36
  Yeah. It, I mean, does it weaken your system? It does.
• 50:40
  Does it make it so that you're less equipped to
• 50:43
  fight against any illness or overcome
• 50:47
  anything? Yes, it does.
• 50:49
  Okay.
• 50:49
  Uh, especially for chemo. I mean, everything is processed in your liver,
• 50:53
  so if you're doing something that requires your liver's
• 50:57
  energy, it's just like a attention span.
• 50:59
  Like, your, your liver only has so much bandwidth to a- address so
• 51:03
  many things. So, but there's also, like, the quality of life
• 51:07
  that is always weighed against any
• 51:10
  bad, alternative.
• 51:13
  Right.
• 51:13
  So if you're like, this person loves a cigar
• 51:17
  so much. They love it so much. They have it once per
• 51:21
  day. Is that the worst thing in the whole world if they
• 51:25
  love it so much?
• 51:27
  Y- exactly.
• 51:28
  I just ... Ugh. I wouldn't want to take that.
• 51:31
  Yeah.
• 51:32
  Because it, that's their, like, regulation
• 51:36
  time. That's, like, their calm down-
• 51:38
  Decompression
• 51:38
  ... yeah, decompression.
• 51:40
  Yeah.
• 51:40
  So it's, it's just, it's complicated.
• 51:43
  I get, I ... Now seeing that side of it, I totally understand that.
• 51:46
  'Cause I remember when my grandma was diagnosed with dementia, they told her she
• 51:50
  couldn't have sugar 'cause it, like, would hurt her brain even more or something
• 51:53
  like that. I can't remember. And but she was
• 51:57
  ultimately dying. Like, are we really gonna take away those brownies that she loves
• 52:00
  so much?
• 52:01
  I would give her the brownies.
• 52:02
  She, we let her eat on 'em. Like-
• 52:04
  Yeah
• 52:04
  ... I'm sorry. Like, you're, that brings-
• 52:06
  She's like, "I don't know my name. I don't know your name."
• 52:08
  Exactly.
• 52:09
  "These brownies are okay."
• 52:09
  But she loved her brownies. She didn't remember even ever having a cheeseburger
• 52:12
  when she lived at In-N-Out the last, like, 10 years of her life.
• 52:15
  Like, it's like, am I really gonna take away this brownie from her? No.
• 52:18
  I wouldn't.
• 52:19
  Yeah. So I see that point of view.
• 52:21
  Yeah.
• 52:21
  Yeah.
• 52:21
  Quality of life, for sure.
• 52:23
  Yeah, 'cause I, 'cause that makes it more, like, if your mind is
• 52:26
  happy, if you're happy, then y- that's almost, like, the fighter for you, too,
• 52:30
  right?
• 52:31
  Yeah. Inflammation is such, like, the center of so many illnesses,
• 52:34
  diseases, dementia, heart attack, stroke. Like, it's just such the problem.
• 52:38
  Cancer.
• 52:39
  Mm-hmm.
• 52:40
  D- you know, so managing the inflammation means managing stress.
• 52:44
  Okay, stress could be from external, emotional,
• 52:48
  physical. Like, there's just so many different ways that you could have an
• 52:51
  incoming stress. So it's really, I think it's, we're not
• 52:55
  great at it yet.
• 52:57
  Yeah.
• 52:57
  And it's definitely still in that complex space where I wish, like, we could just
• 53:01
  simplify it already.
• 53:02
  Mm-hmm.
• 53:03
  So anything that takes down the inflammation, in my opinion, is the
• 53:07
  answer.
• 53:07
  Yes, absolutely.
• 53:09
  Yeah.
• 53:09
  Okay, that makes sense.
• 53:10
  Yeah.
• 53:10
  Okay.
• 53:12
  Oh, well, thank you so much, Kristen, for coming on today and catching
• 53:16
  up. I absolutely enjoyed it. I always do.
• 53:19
  Yes, same.
• 53:20
  Um, you're, you know, always, like, just so fun and refreshing.
• 53:24
  I'm glad, even though it was on your podcast, I'm glad we got to catch up and-
• 53:27
  I know
• 53:27
  ... you know, get together. We'll brunch one day.
• 53:30
  Yeah, without the martinis probably.
• 53:32
  Yes. That's okay. We're gonna go watch you-
• 53:33
  Or a mushroom cocktail
• 53:34
  ... instead.
• 53:35
  I love that. All right. Well, thank you so much.
• 53:38
  Thank you.