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IVY LEAGUE GRAD TURNED ALLEGED HEALTH-BOSS “ASSASSIN” NOW SEX TAPE ALLEGATIONS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Luigi Mangioni, the alleged killer
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Speaker 1: of the United Healthcare boss, reportedly gunning him down, shooting
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Speaker 1: him in the back in cold blood. The heir to
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Speaker 1: a multimillion dollar fortune, back in the news again over
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Speaker 1: two unlikely issues, a sex tape and snacks. I'm Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Sex tapes and snacks. First of all, let's start with
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Speaker 1: the sex tapes. What's really in the Luigi Mangioni sex tape?
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Speaker 1: Is it real? Much has been made regarding the existence
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Speaker 1: of a Luigi Mangioni sex tape or tapes. Now, the
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Speaker 1: reported CEO killer lawyer swears all the X rated footage
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Speaker 1: featuring her special client is all fake. But apparently, whether
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Speaker 1: that's true or not, there is still one X rated
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Speaker 1: video still for sale. Is it Mangioni? This is what
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Speaker 1: we have been told. There is a solo video of
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Speaker 1: a man who resembles Luigi Mangioni in a sex tape,
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Speaker 1: and it's being offered to a gay porn site for
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Speaker 1: at least a six figured sum. Hmm. Now, the movie
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Speaker 1: in question is a personal video, probably not recorded for
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Speaker 1: public eyes, So whoever shares it will be opening themselves
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Speaker 1: up to potential prosecution. Now, what would that be like
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Speaker 1: to be prosecuted for releasing a private sex video starring
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Speaker 1: Luigi Mangioni that was meant for the videographer's eyes only?
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Speaker 1: What does that mean? Now? We know plenty of porn
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Speaker 1: companies would love to get their mits on a Luigi
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Speaker 1: sex tape, but legally it could backfire to whoever sells
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Speaker 1: it because there is a big legal hurdle, possible criminal prosecution.
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Speaker 2: So I think we're going to have to wait.
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Speaker 1: Will I ever look at Luigimanngoni's alleged sex tape? No,
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Speaker 1: I will not. I never even looked at Miss America
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Speaker 1: sex tape. For Pete's sake, I'm not going to look
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Speaker 1: at Luigi Mangioni sex tape. But there's more. There's more
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Speaker 1: regarding Luigi Mangioni. But in case your curiosity is piqued
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Speaker 1: by an alleged luigiman Gioni sex tape, have a little
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Speaker 1: reality check what this case is all about. A person
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Speaker 1: of interest identified in the United Healthcare CEO shooting a
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Speaker 1: man taken into custody in Pennsylvania straight out to Chief
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Speaker 1: of Detectives NYPD, Joe Kinney.
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Speaker 3: A man was taking it to custody today at Altoona,
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Speaker 3: Pennsylvania this morning. He has been identified as Luigi Nicholas Mangioni.
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Speaker 3: He's a male, twenty six years old. He was born
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Speaker 3: and raised in Maryland. We know he has tys to
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Speaker 3: San Francisco, California, and his last known address was Honolulu, Hawaii.
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Speaker 2: He has no prior arrest history in New York.
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Speaker 3: This case was brought to a successful conclusion based on
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Speaker 3: the co ordinated effort between numerous NYPD units, including the
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Speaker 3: Intelligence and counter Terrorism Bureau, our federal partners at the FBI,
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Speaker 3: the Manhattan District Attorney's Office, and of course, members of
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Speaker 3: the Altoona Police Department in Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 1: Repeat for those of you just joining us bombs, An
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Speaker 1: arrest has been made in the so called health Boss
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Speaker 1: murder of all People, an IVY League grad turn assassin
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Speaker 1: born with a silver spoon in his mouth right now
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Speaker 1: in isolation and a Pennsylvania CI Correctional Institute at Huntingdon.
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Speaker 1: What happened? How did a guy with everything turn into
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Speaker 1: a cold blooded assassin? Joining me in all star panels
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Speaker 1: straight out to Harmonia Rodriguez, joining US chief US reporter
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Speaker 1: with dailymail dot Com and star of the podcast The
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Speaker 1: Trial of Didi Hermania.
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Speaker 2: Tell me about the.
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Speaker 1: Arrest, right.
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Speaker 4: So, finally, after a five day menhunt, police found the suspect,
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Speaker 4: Luigi Mandiano adam McDonald's in Pennsylvania. Actually, police now say
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Speaker 4: that he had been in state, moving back and forth
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Speaker 4: between Pittsburgh and other places for days. It appears that
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Speaker 4: an employee at McDonald's called police after someone recognized him
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Speaker 4: and said he was acting suspicious.
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Speaker 2: Police said yesterday.
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Speaker 4: That when they approached him, he gave the same fake
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Speaker 4: ID from New Jersey that he had given to check
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Speaker 4: into the hostel in New York. Now, when police asked
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Speaker 4: him if he had recently been to New York, that's
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Speaker 4: when he started shaking and became very nervous, and that's
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Speaker 4: when he was arrested. And now he's been now charged
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Speaker 4: with the murder of Brian Thompson.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to Tyler Fry.
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Speaker 1: Now, this is a rookie police officer, was formerly with
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Speaker 1: the Sheriff's department. Listen, whatever we got.
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Speaker 5: On seeing there, we were able to pretty much find
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Speaker 5: where he was at in the restaurant. As soon as
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Speaker 5: he pulled he was wearing a blue medical mask. As
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Speaker 5: soon as we pulled that down, we asked him to
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Speaker 5: pull it down. Me and my partner and I recognized
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Speaker 5: him immediately. He didn't even think twenty spot it. We
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Speaker 5: knew that was our guy. But he was very he
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Speaker 5: was very cooperative with us, didn't really give us too
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Speaker 5: many issues once we found out whose identity we took
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Speaker 5: it from there.
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Speaker 1: Time or Fry being lauded today in making the arrest.
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Speaker 1: That's our friends at eleven Alive two. Dave Matt Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter who's been on the case
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Speaker 1: from the very beginning. Dave Matt, there big conflicting reports
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Speaker 1: and to McDonald's employee, I d him or was in
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Speaker 1: an elderly patron who identified Maggioni Luigi Mangioni, and that
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Speaker 1: patron then alerted an employee.
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Speaker 2: And the employee called nine to one one.
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Speaker 1: How did it go down? Mack?
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Speaker 6: That is exactly how it happened. Nancy, an elderly couple
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Speaker 6: looking over, noticed him. He was sitting in the very
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Speaker 6: back of the restaurant. He's got his little blue mask up.
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Speaker 6: He's sitting there eating breakfast, looking at his laptop, and
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Speaker 6: an elderly man scribes him there and goes to an
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Speaker 6: employee says, I think that's the guy. So the employee
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Speaker 6: calls and the police were right there.
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Speaker 1: Now I've heard that he was acting suspiciously. To Cheryl
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Speaker 1: mccollumy's joining me, forensic expert and director of the Cold
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Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, star of hit podcast Zone seven. Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: you have to have a reason to detain, Okay, not arrest,
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Speaker 1: but to detain. It's an age old simil case us
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Speaker 1: versus Terry. Okay, to stop someone just to ask for ID,
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Speaker 1: so to say he was acting suspiciously. The guys in
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Speaker 1: the back booth out of McDonald's on his laptop. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what is suspicious about that. I'll tell you
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Speaker 1: what I think, Cheryl. I think they identified him. The
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Speaker 1: patron identified him and goes, hey, that's the guy i'm
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Speaker 1: seeing on TV that's shot down. The CEO and the
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Speaker 1: employee call nine one one. I don't know what's suspicious
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Speaker 1: about that, but a police officer has the right, based
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Speaker 1: on intuition, to ask you for ID. That is okay.
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Speaker 7: They were called there because two people, not one thought, hey,
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Speaker 7: that looks like the guy, and if he's eating breakfast,
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Speaker 7: he's having to move that mask a little bit to
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Speaker 7: take a bite. Once they approach him, law enforcement says, hey,
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Speaker 7: we were called here. Let me just go ahead and
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Speaker 7: see your ID. The ID that he gives them is
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Speaker 7: the same Sake New Jersey ID then he gave to
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Speaker 7: the hostel. At that point, they're like, this is the guy.
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Speaker 7: We also recognize him from the photograph that NYPD put out,
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Speaker 7: And I just want to say that is absolutely fantastic
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Speaker 7: police fork that they put his face out so fast
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Speaker 7: that somebody in Pennsylvania is going to recognize him.
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Speaker 1: Joining you right now. High profile lawyer, defense attorney Jason
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Speaker 1: Oceans who practices in this jurisdiction, Jason Oceans, don't you
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Speaker 1: just hate it as a defense attorney when the cops
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Speaker 1: do it the book, there's really nothing for you to
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Speaker 1: complain about it.
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Speaker 2: And can't you just see it.
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Speaker 1: After my dad retired from the railroad, a group of
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Speaker 1: his friends he would occasionally go, very rarely, but they
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Speaker 1: would get together at McDonald's. Okay, they're not paying five
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Speaker 1: dollars for a cup of coffee at Starbucks and they
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Speaker 1: would be there every day, many of them military vets
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Speaker 1: like my father. And can't you just see people that
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Speaker 1: go to McDonald's every day and they're sitting in one.
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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, that's him. And the police did not
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Speaker 1: screw it up. This rookie formally a sheriff, however, comes in,
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Speaker 1: he's got a suspicion and he does a terry good
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Speaker 1: terry stop.
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Speaker 8: I think you highlighted that well.
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Speaker 9: And know as a defense attorney, listen, you're presented the
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Speaker 9: evidence and the facts as they are.
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Speaker 8: Nancy, you know, we don't make that up. We might
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Speaker 8: highlight things or focus on different.
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Speaker 9: Aspects to ensure justice, if you will. But it was
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Speaker 9: a great stop, and you quite properly note that he
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Speaker 9: was experienced as a sheriff, so he might have been
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Speaker 9: a rookie to the Altuona PD, but certainly his instincts
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Speaker 9: kicked in, moved the mass, secured the scene, made sure
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Speaker 9: that he was safe and his partner, and you know,
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Speaker 9: kudos to DENYPD and getting the information out the picture
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Speaker 9: as it's been noted, that was widespread national news and
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Speaker 9: really just good old police detective work.
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Speaker 1: Hey, Tom Smith is joining me. Former NYPD detective thirty
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Speaker 1: years in the city. Now star of the gold Shield Show.
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Speaker 1: It's a podcast, Tom Smith, thank you for being with me. Tom.
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Speaker 1: You know how wrong this could have gone, how sideways
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Speaker 1: it could have all turned. You know, he had the
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Speaker 1: ghost gun with him and one of the gun charges
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Speaker 1: against him, he's got multiple gun charges is a he's
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Speaker 1: got a suppressor aka silencer. But also he had a
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Speaker 1: loaded illegal gun. There wasn't just some amo in his backpack.
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Speaker 1: That gun was loaded. Know how wrong this takedown could
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Speaker 1: have gone. They could have.
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Speaker 8: Gone terribly wrong.
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Speaker 10: The good thing was they got him kind of by surprise.
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Speaker 10: They got him in a confined area, and the deputies
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Speaker 10: who showed up did a masterful job at doing this.
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Speaker 8: They got on top of him quick before he could
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Speaker 8: do anything or think about anything.
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Speaker 10: And like I said, being in that corner helped them
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Speaker 10: a lot, and they took advantage of that.
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Speaker 1: You mean him sitting in a back booth in the corner. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there was nowhere for him to go.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Is that what you're talking about?
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Speaker 8: Yes, ma'am. You know that's what Smith.
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Speaker 2: This is when I asked you what could have gone wrong?
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Speaker 1: I was a rookie ADA assistant district attorney in inter
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Speaker 1: city Atlanta, and had befriended a cop, a rookie cop
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Speaker 1: that had testified in a lot of what I was
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Speaker 1: putting up to the grand jury, Randy Schapani. And he
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Speaker 1: made a routine traffic stop, routine traffic stop. That was it.
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Speaker 1: The guy rolled down, the driver rolled down the window,
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Speaker 1: took a gun and shot him in the head, just
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Speaker 1: like that for nothing. So you never know when is
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Speaker 1: going to be your last day all the police force.
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Speaker 10: Tom Oh, Yeah, I lived with that for thirty years.
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Speaker 10: And that's what I mean by the great actions of
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Speaker 10: this deputy. He didn't let him get an upper hand.
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Speaker 10: He took control of the situation and had him covered,
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Speaker 10: giving him no way to get out of that area
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Speaker 10: or to any overt act towards the officers.
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Speaker 1: According to a friend of his, his vertebra were about
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Speaker 1: a quarter to a half inch disaligned. The pain was
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Speaker 1: excruciating and possibly had pinched a nerve. Dave matt Crime Online.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that he confided to friends and his
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Speaker 1: coshier on the fortieth floor of a Hawaii high rise
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Speaker 1: that he couldn't have sex because of back pain.
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Speaker 6: It's a constant agonizing feeling that he had all the time.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator, author of Blood Beneath My
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Speaker 1: Feet and host of Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott explain the intense pain, intense pain that comes
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Speaker 1: along with a back ailment like that, and how that
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Speaker 1: factors in to a young man twenty six years old
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Speaker 1: they can have sex.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, it would be horribly frustrating, Nancy over this period
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Speaker 11: of time. And you can see the horrific appearance of this.
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Speaker 11: The surgery in and of itself is something that he
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Speaker 11: would have been laid up with for a protracted period
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Speaker 11: of time. We've got four screws that are being demonstrated
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Speaker 11: here and this is a crucial pivot point in the
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Speaker 11: axis of your body. So he would have been dealing
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Speaker 11: with chronic pain, Nancy. One of the things I'm wondering about,
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Speaker 11: and I talked to Bethany about this off air, I
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Speaker 11: really wonder if he was taking medication for pain management
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Speaker 11: relative to this, because this is not some thing that
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Speaker 11: would have just you know, he would have just healed
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Speaker 11: from it very easily. We have to understand how far
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Speaker 11: post surgical he is. To try to understand this was
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Speaker 11: he under the influence of any kind of medication and
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Speaker 11: did he even have a doctor that he was following.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. While all reports of a
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Speaker 1: Luigi Mangioni, the so called healthcare assassin, having a sex
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Speaker 1: tape out on the black market. The real issue here
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Speaker 1: is not whether that's a Mangioni or not in the video.
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Speaker 1: Will it be released or not? That's not the question.
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Speaker 1: The question is did he gun down the United Healthcare boss,
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Speaker 1: leaving behind a wife and two boys in cold blood
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Speaker 1: reality check. That's what this is about, not about an
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Speaker 1: alleged six tape. For Pete's sake, Jason Ocean's defense attorney,
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Speaker 1: whether he was on payments or not does not change
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Speaker 1: intent to fire the weapon. He is currently charged with
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Speaker 1: at least three crimes one murder two in New York.
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Speaker 1: Why not murder one? Murder one in New York? Correct
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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, Jason Oceans. Murder one is usually
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Speaker 1: reserved for a police officer, a correctional officer that has
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Speaker 1: been killed torture is used. That's when we see a
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Speaker 1: murder one charge with murder one, yeah, you can get
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Speaker 1: life without parole. Murder two Jason Police I don't mind
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Speaker 1: if you interrupt. Murder two is when you intend to
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Speaker 1: do the act. It's not an accident. It's not drunk driving,
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Speaker 1: it's not voluntary manslaughter. It's not a heat of passion.
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Speaker 1: You mean to pull the trigger. Yes, the sentence firm
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Speaker 1: two in New York is fifteen to life. There is
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Speaker 1: no life without parole for murder two. He's charged with that.
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Speaker 1: He's charged with forging and that's probably going to be
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Speaker 1: his passport and he's charged that is called forged document,
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Speaker 1: either the passport or the driver's license.
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Speaker 2: And he's yeah.
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Speaker 1: And he's charged with one count of criminal possession of
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Speaker 1: a weapon, including a suppressor, a silencer, and I believe
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Speaker 1: he's going to be charged with possession of live AMMO
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Speaker 1: and a gun. Also he had a weapon without a
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Speaker 1: serial number on it. We know it was a ghost gun.
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Speaker 1: Now And unless I'm wrong on those charges, Jason, do
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Speaker 1: I have any of that wrong? Quickly?
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Speaker 9: No great recitation. The top count would be a murder two.
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Speaker 9: You know, murder one referred as you did, reference only
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Speaker 9: to law enforcement officers.
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Speaker 1: Jo Scott Morgan is talking about is on pain medication.
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Speaker 1: You know what, save it for the jury because he
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Speaker 1: had this intense, intense period of time, an extended period
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Speaker 1: of time where he planned this, and there is no
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Speaker 1: way he's going to walk because he says, oh, I
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Speaker 1: took a xanax. He may have been on pain medication,
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Speaker 1: although we have not been told he had it with him.
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Speaker 1: We know he was exploring alternative methods of healing and
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Speaker 1: pain release, such as magic mushrooms. But he had the
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Speaker 1: wherewithal to have a gun with him and a fake passport,
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Speaker 1: according to the NYC Police Commissioner.
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Speaker 12: Tish, Responding officers questioned the suspect, who was acting suspiciously
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Speaker 12: and was carrying multiple fraudulent IDs as well as a
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Speaker 12: US passport. Upon further investigation, officers recovered a firearm on
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Speaker 12: his person as a suppressor, both consistent with the weapon
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Speaker 12: used in the murder. They also recovered clothing, including a
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Speaker 12: mask consistent with those worn by our wanted individual Bombshell.
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Speaker 1: In the last hours, an arrest goes down of the
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Speaker 1: so called assassin wanted and the cold blooded execution of
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Speaker 1: health care boss that ran United health Care raking in
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Speaker 1: millions of dollars a year. While zany theories circulated on
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Speaker 1: social media that Thompson had actually hired someone to kill him.
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Speaker 1: There were illusions that Thomas's wife was somehow involved in it,
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Speaker 1: set up a hit. All of that is bogus, All
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Speaker 1: of that is bs. Instead, what we've got is a
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Speaker 1: twenty six year old Ivy League grad double major from
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Speaker 1: University of Pennsylvania. Yet, yeah, that's him. If you look
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Speaker 1: at his social media. He and his family have traveled
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Speaker 1: all around the world. He had the best of everything.
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Speaker 1: His grandparents Italian immigrants that can be traced back straight
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Speaker 1: to Sicily work their fingers to the bone to build
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Speaker 1: a financial empire, bought country clubs, golf course, started them
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Speaker 1: home health care, living facilities for seniors. All that money,
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Speaker 1: all that education, all that privilege, and what does he do?
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Speaker 1: According to police, guns down, United.
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Speaker 2: Health Care CEO and.
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Speaker 1: Boy, according to them, did he have it all planned out,
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Speaker 1: including the use of a three D manufacturer at home,
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Speaker 1: ghost gun, no serial number, no way to identify. As
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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, if you do your research, you
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Speaker 1: will learn that ghost guns are only trace less than
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Speaker 1: one percent of the time. He thought he had it
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Speaker 1: all figured out until an elderly patron having coffee at
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Speaker 1: McDonald's saw him and raised the alarm. What more do
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Speaker 1: we know?
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Speaker 12: Listen also recovered was a fraudulent New Jersey ID, matching
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Speaker 12: the ID our suspect used to check into his New
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Speaker 12: York City hostel before the shooting incident. Additionally, officers recovered
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Speaker 12: a handwritten document that speaks to both his motivation and mindset.
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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, another manifesto. Nothing can make me happier
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Speaker 1: than to have an accused killer write a manifesto about
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Speaker 1: their feelings. Joining me, Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalyst, joining
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Speaker 1: us out of la, author of deal Breaker. You can
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Speaker 1: see her now on Peacock. Doctor Bethany, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. We hear veteran trial lawyer Jason Ocean's
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Speaker 1: jumping on something. Joe Scott Morgan rightly said, could this
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Speaker 1: guy have been on pain meds? But did you just
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Speaker 1: hear the New York City Police Commissioner Tish state that
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Speaker 1: he had this very well thought out manifesto? He had
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Speaker 1: fake IDs. The degree of pre planning is off the chart. Now,
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Speaker 1: why he decided to keep his beloved ghost gun with him,
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Speaker 1: which absolutely ties him to the murder, is beyond me.
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Speaker 1: I guess that IVY League grad from a graduate degree
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Speaker 1: from University Pennsylvania didn't help anything when it comes to this. Hey,
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Speaker 1: this photo of the fake ID that he appearently obtained
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Speaker 1: from New Jersey under the name Mark Rosario. That took
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Speaker 1: some thinking from our friends at CNN. So doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 1: could you help me shoot down what Joe Scott Morgan
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Speaker 1: and Jason Ocean's have cocted. I took his anax, and
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Speaker 1: therefore I didn't know what I was doing.
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Speaker 13: Well. Luigi Mangioni's actions are consistent with multiple pathologies psychopathologies.
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Speaker 13: First of all, he's extraordinarily entitled to think that he
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Speaker 13: could solve the whole healthcare crisis. That's he's going to
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Speaker 13: get rid of these parasites. He's anti capitalists. He's also
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Speaker 13: very that's grandiose. It's entitled to take somebody's life. I
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Speaker 13: don't believe this whole thing about the relative who was sick.
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Speaker 13: I think that's just a rationalization for murder. I think
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Speaker 13: he's been homicidal since his youth. He wears what we
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Speaker 13: call the mask of sanity.
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Speaker 1: And on hold on, doctor Bethny, He's brought up a
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Speaker 1: really good point, and I don't want it to get
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Speaker 1: lost in the sauce. People are trying to rationalize it.
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Speaker 1: They can't believe, Oh, what's a millionaire boy like Luigi
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Speaker 1: Manngioni with his Ivy League degree, Why would he do
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Speaker 1: such a thing? You know, nobody gives it that much
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Speaker 1: thought when a street crime like hey, booking, he's guilty,
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Speaker 1: but now we're like, oh, why did he do it?
23:07
Speaker 2: I think actually there's a clear motive.
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Speaker 13: And to me, he has this type He would be
23:12
Speaker 13: consistent with the type of psychopathology where the person attacks
23:16
Speaker 13: the very institutions of people who are.
23:18
Speaker 1: Trying to help them.
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Speaker 13: Okay, so think of the person in a restaurant who
23:22
Speaker 13: screams at the waiter who's trying to do everything for them.
23:25
Speaker 13: They just think they can't get enough service, these babylike people.
23:30
Speaker 13: So he's anti capitalist, but he comes from a very
23:33
Speaker 13: wealthy family from whom he has been How.
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Speaker 1: Can you be anti capitalist when you were at the
23:40
Speaker 1: trough of capitalism.
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Speaker 2: Exactly eating more than anybody else.
23:45
Speaker 1: You're a pig.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, well, pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. In other words,
23:50
Speaker 13: people who want more and more and more, it never works.
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Speaker 2: Out well for them. And also, you know he has
23:56
Speaker 2: this Ivy League education.
23:58
Speaker 13: He's also anti men, anti insurance.
24:01
Speaker 1: I bet he build.
24:03
Speaker 13: I bet insurance covered for that very extensive procedure.
24:07
Speaker 1: That he had.
24:08
Speaker 13: So this again is where he's attacking the institutions that
24:11
Speaker 13: are there to help him. So some people's pathology is
24:15
Speaker 13: such that they always think things are being done to
24:18
Speaker 13: them rather than for them. And when these people go
24:21
Speaker 13: to the hospital, they think the doctors, the nurses, everybody's
24:25
Speaker 13: you know, torturing them, not giving them what they need,
24:27
Speaker 13: and they have a difficult time putting themselves in the
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Speaker 13: doctor's shoes the fact that the doctor is there to
24:34
Speaker 13: help them. In terms of medication, Nancy, the only role
24:38
Speaker 13: I could see is that opioids, and most surely he
24:42
Speaker 13: has prescribed those activate the MEW receptors in the brain,
24:47
Speaker 13: and that those are the same receptors that are activated
24:50
Speaker 13: when our mothers hold us as children.
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Speaker 1: So given that thought about why just a moment place
24:56
Speaker 1: we're showing photos of him on the beach at y Okay.
25:01
Speaker 1: I don't know who can I work every day, My
25:05
Speaker 1: husband works every day, my twins go to school every day,
25:08
Speaker 1: and they work in the summer. Who has time to
25:11
Speaker 1: take this much time off in Hawaii and live in
25:16
Speaker 1: a luxury high rise. How does that happen? Yeah, you're
25:19
Speaker 1: anti capitalist. That doesn't make sense to me. Two and
25:23
Speaker 1: two is not equally four.
25:25
Speaker 13: No, it doesn't equal four unless you think of somebody
25:28
Speaker 13: who is extremely disturbed and they are resentful and envious
25:32
Speaker 13: of the people who are giving something to them.
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Speaker 2: Think of babies.
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Speaker 13: The minute the mother leaves the room, the baby screams
25:37
Speaker 13: and cries and wants the mother even more. And that's
25:41
Speaker 13: appropriate for infancy, But the baby doesn't really care or
25:45
Speaker 13: is not able to grasp that the mother might be
25:47
Speaker 13: tired or depressed or whatever, has other siblings to take
25:51
Speaker 13: care of. And so if someone gets stuck in that
25:55
Speaker 13: developmental phase, nothing that they're given is enough, and they
25:59
Speaker 13: don't care about anybody around them. The scream and cry
26:03
Speaker 13: for whatever they want.
26:04
Speaker 1: But wait a minute. We talked about the alleged sex tape,
26:08
Speaker 1: but what about snacks. Wait for it, Luigi Mangioni's police
26:15
Speaker 1: stationed snack could help prosecutors link the Ivy League suspect
26:21
Speaker 1: murder suspect to the crime scene. That's right, a snack.
26:27
Speaker 1: The United Healthcare CEO murder suspect defense attorney Agnafello is
26:34
Speaker 1: arguing in court that Manjioni's DNA that was obtained from
26:39
Speaker 1: a snack given to him by the Altoona PDE after
26:45
Speaker 1: detaining him cannot be allowed in court. Now this is
26:49
Speaker 1: a novel claim. Of course, what you say before your
26:53
Speaker 1: mirandize cannot come into court unless it is voluntary, a
26:58
Speaker 1: voluntary gabfest. But what about a snack? Now? Remember, Mangoni
27:05
Speaker 1: is charged with murder one in furtherance of an act
27:08
Speaker 1: of terrorism, stalking, many many other state and federal charges
27:13
Speaker 1: in both Pennsylvania and New York. This is after healthcare
27:17
Speaker 1: boss Brian Thompson was gunned down a married father of
27:21
Speaker 1: two on a sidewalk, left to die to bleed out
27:24
Speaker 1: on a Manhattan sidewalk back in December. But now we
27:28
Speaker 1: understand that the defense attorneys from Mangioni are putting up
27:32
Speaker 1: a stink over a snack. After Mangioni was detained and
27:38
Speaker 1: legally arrested, his DNA was collected from food the l
27:43
Speaker 1: TUNIPD gave him at the station. He didn't have to
27:47
Speaker 1: eat it. What was it? A Snickers bar? Cheese? It's chips.
27:51
Speaker 1: I don't know. What I do know is that DNA
27:55
Speaker 1: samples were taken from the snack. Now, according to certain sources,
28:01
Speaker 1: the snack was a slice of pizza. That is such,
28:07
Speaker 1: that is so brilliant. There have been many other cases
28:13
Speaker 1: where pizza realay DNA. I'm speaking specifically of the Golden
28:18
Speaker 1: State Killer, remember him, Joseph DiAngelo. He had a pizza
28:23
Speaker 1: and police got the crust. And that's not the only
28:25
Speaker 1: pizza DNA. But that's a good example. Before we get
28:30
Speaker 1: too carried away. On the pizza, the snookers bar, the chips,
28:35
Speaker 1: was it pepperoni, was it ground beef, sausage or just
28:37
Speaker 1: playing cheese? Doesn't matter.
28:39
Speaker 2: What matters is that a father of two was gunned
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Speaker 2: down in cold blood.
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Speaker 14: In high school, he is the valedictorian of the Gilman
28:46
Speaker 14: School for Boys, a private school in Baltimore. As an
28:49
Speaker 14: Ivy League graduate of the University of Pennsylvania. He is
28:52
Speaker 14: a tech whiz. But somewhere along the way, Luigi Mangioni
28:55
Speaker 14: developed a grudge against the medical community, either due to
28:58
Speaker 14: how a sick relative treated or maybe his own treatment.
29:02
Speaker 14: An X ray photo on his x account shows four
29:04
Speaker 14: pins in a spine, and he has five books involving
29:06
Speaker 14: chronic back pain. On his reading list on his Goodreads account.
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Speaker 15: So the class of twenty sixteen that only explored new
29:11
Speaker 15: frontiers but also maintained Gilman's most important traditions. I think
29:19
Speaker 15: this combination of preservation and exploration is what Gilman is
29:22
Speaker 15: all about. Gilman maintains his classic core values by cultivating minds,
29:26
Speaker 15: body and spirit and its students, but also champions and
29:30
Speaker 15: environment with acceptance and diversity, while excelling and his technological endeavors.
29:35
Speaker 15: Our imagination draws from your inspiration, and our courage largely
29:40
Speaker 15: depends when your encouragement in the classroom, on the fields,
29:43
Speaker 15: and on the stage. So parents and faculty, thank you
29:48
Speaker 15: for all you have done for us today is as
29:50
Speaker 15: much an achievement for you as it is for us.
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Speaker 1: That is from the Gilman School, which is a private
29:55
Speaker 1: college preparatory school for boys only costs I think over
30:00
Speaker 1: forty grand a year. I guarantee you he wasn't bussing
30:03
Speaker 1: tables to pay that tuition bill, you know. Cheryl McCollum
30:08
Speaker 1: joining me forensic expert and street cup Cheryl. So often
30:15
Speaker 1: when we prosecute and investigate crimes, we see the defendant
30:20
Speaker 1: and this is not an excuse at all. Comes from
30:26
Speaker 1: low income, a low education or no education, no job,
30:32
Speaker 1: and they end up committing crimes. That's not an excuse.
30:37
Speaker 1: There is no justification for a violent crime, period. But
30:41
Speaker 1: rarely do you see an IVY league grad with multimillionaire
30:49
Speaker 1: family members commit a crime like this.
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Speaker 2: And even more rare is.
30:55
Speaker 1: When the first crime now true, he had a Hawaii
31:00
Speaker 1: violation of going into some part of a public park
31:03
Speaker 1: that was closed off to the public. That's it. You
31:07
Speaker 1: rarely see someone go from zero to one twenty mph
31:11
Speaker 1: a premeditated murder. So you got the silver spoon and
31:15
Speaker 1: you got the zero to one twenty mph going on here.
31:18
Speaker 7: Well, let's talk about Wales. You got you got intelligence
31:21
Speaker 7: versus streets march, which he doesn't have any which is
31:24
Speaker 7: the reason he was caught. If you look and you
31:26
Speaker 7: think of back pain, imagine severe back pain. But you're
31:31
Speaker 7: hunched over, right in a manifesto. You're hunched over building
31:35
Speaker 7: a ghost done, You're hunched over writing on bullets. You
31:39
Speaker 7: decide to take a bus which is going to take
31:42
Speaker 7: you four times as long as you if you drove yourself,
31:45
Speaker 7: and then you're gonna hop on a freaking bicycle. It
31:48
Speaker 7: doesn't look like back pain. To me, it looks like
31:51
Speaker 7: his motive is clearly in his mind only in my opinion.
31:58
Speaker 1: Well true, he may have been driven to distraction by
32:02
Speaker 1: the back pain.
32:03
Speaker 2: We know that, but murder is not. Murder is not
32:09
Speaker 2: the answer.
32:10
Speaker 1: We were listening to Luigi Mangioni as the valedictorian at
32:16
Speaker 1: the Gilman School, speaking about all the values that the
32:20
Speaker 1: Gilman School maintains. This guy came from so much privileged. Listen.
32:26
Speaker 16: The suspected killer of United Health CEO Brian Thompson comes
32:29
Speaker 16: from a wealthy, educated, connected Maryland family. His grandfather grew
32:34
Speaker 16: up poor as a first generation American who built a
32:36
Speaker 16: real estate business that includes country clubs and media investments.
32:40
Speaker 16: Mangoni is the cousin of Republican Maryland House of Delegates
32:43
Speaker 16: member Nino Mangoni. His mother, Kathleen Zanino Mangoni, owns a
32:47
Speaker 16: travel company, and his sister, Maria Santamanngoni, is a respected doctor,
32:51
Speaker 16: a medical resident at ut Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas
32:55
Speaker 16: after graduating from Vanderbilt Medical School.
32:57
Speaker 7: Right.
32:58
Speaker 13: Not.
32:58
Speaker 3: The information we're getting from Altuna is that the gun
33:00
Speaker 3: appears to be a ghost gun may have been made
33:04
Speaker 3: on a three D printer. The capability of file firing
33:07
Speaker 3: a nine millimeters round. Obviously that will come out during
33:09
Speaker 3: all ballistics testing.
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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel, but now straight out
33:12
Speaker 1: to Tom Smith, former NYPD detective thirty years now co
33:17
Speaker 1: host of the gold Shields podcast.
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Speaker 2: Tom, I want to talk about the ghost gun.
33:23
Speaker 1: What's your experience with ghost guns and guns made from
33:25
Speaker 1: three D printers? You can make one at home, you
33:29
Speaker 1: get the parts, you can even get them online. Hey,
33:32
Speaker 1: here are some photos from our friends at CNN.
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Speaker 10: What do you know, Tom, Yeah, they're extremely dangerous and
33:38
Speaker 10: kind of taking over a comminality today. And the way
33:40
Speaker 10: it's done, it's really simple. You can buy a three
33:43
Speaker 10: D printer for anywhere from three hundred to three thousand
33:46
Speaker 10: dollars and literally create this is what I'm holding in
33:49
Speaker 10: front of you, the frame of a nine millimeter You
33:53
Speaker 10: can create this. It's calling mayor it's plastic, and this
33:57
Speaker 10: is what's created in these three D printers. Then you
34:01
Speaker 10: go and just separately buy all the metal parts that
34:04
Speaker 10: you need to make the gun functional. Those are done
34:08
Speaker 10: and bought in kits or separately. And the problem with
34:12
Speaker 10: the ghost gun is there's no identifying markings on it.
34:15
Speaker 8: There's no serial numbers, there's nothing. They are clean. And
34:18
Speaker 8: then when you go.
34:19
Speaker 10: And buy the parts or the kits, those also have
34:23
Speaker 10: no identifying numbers on them or serial numbers. So that
34:26
Speaker 10: creates a very very dangerous weapon that police cannot trace
34:31
Speaker 10: when a crime is committed.
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Speaker 1: Now, generally speaking, firearms are manufactured by licensed companies and
34:37
Speaker 1: they all have serial numbers displayed on the frame of
34:40
Speaker 1: the gun. That allows cops like you to trace the
34:43
Speaker 1: gun back to the manufacturer, the firearms dealer, and the
34:47
Speaker 1: original purchaser. Not true with the ghost gun, Tom, No.
34:52
Speaker 8: They're absolutely untraceable.
34:54
Speaker 10: There are no identifying markings on them whatsoever. So even
34:58
Speaker 10: if you commit the crime with it scarted, it's still
35:01
Speaker 10: not going to come back to anything if it's recovered,
35:03
Speaker 10: much less in this instance catching him with it. There's
35:07
Speaker 10: no traceable evidence too it to where it came from,
35:10
Speaker 10: who manufactured it, or anything. It's going to be strictly
35:13
Speaker 10: on his statements of having that gun on him.
35:16
Speaker 1: You know, Thomas Smith, I don't know about you, but
35:19
Speaker 1: not out loud to a jury, of course, But sometimes
35:22
Speaker 1: I wonder who is going about their day and they
35:25
Speaker 1: suddenly think, Hey, I'm going to go online and I'm
35:30
Speaker 1: going to get the parts to three D build a
35:32
Speaker 1: ghost gun with a silencer aka suppressor.
35:37
Speaker 2: Who a has time to think about building.
35:41
Speaker 1: Their own gun with a three D printer thinks about
35:44
Speaker 1: a suppressor aka silencer? Who does that? Why not just
35:49
Speaker 1: you have to have a gun? Why don't you just
35:52
Speaker 1: go down to the gun shop and buy one? I mean,
35:54
Speaker 1: I think I know the answer, but let me hear
35:56
Speaker 1: you tell it.
35:57
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's just it's another aspect of criminality, and it's
36:00
Speaker 10: dangerous and it's a horrible heartbreak for what's going on
36:04
Speaker 10: in this country with untraceable weapons.
36:07
Speaker 8: It's just constant.
36:08
Speaker 10: And the thing that you just said, Nancy, you can
36:11
Speaker 10: make this gun and put it together in a couple
36:14
Speaker 10: hours by the time is dried.
36:16
Speaker 8: And you're able to break it apart in a couple
36:19
Speaker 8: of hours.
36:19
Speaker 10: If you have the mechanical parts to it already in
36:23
Speaker 10: your possession.
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Speaker 1: You can get these online and put them together at home.
36:28
Speaker 1: How hard is it, Tom, It's not hard at all.
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Speaker 10: I mean, look at the internet today. You can build
36:32
Speaker 10: anything step by step. All you got to do is
36:35
Speaker 10: watch a video.
36:36
Speaker 14: You know.
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Speaker 1: The first one was fired back around I think around
36:39
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, and look how they have taken over Tom Smith.
36:43
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, you now, it's not even handguns, it's long
36:47
Speaker 10: guns as well.
36:48
Speaker 8: You can get the receivers to.
36:51
Speaker 10: This made and then buy the other parts to a
36:54
Speaker 10: long gun now in ar or anything like that. It's
36:57
Speaker 10: taken on a world of its own, which is really dangerous.
37:05
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. In addition to the sex
37:13
Speaker 1: tape brew haha, excuse me, alleged sex tape, the snack
37:20
Speaker 1: tempest in a teacup that will be coming in by
37:24
Speaker 1: the way. That evidence on the pizza or the snickers
37:27
Speaker 1: or the chip or whatever it was, we also learned
37:30
Speaker 1: Luigi Mangioni has accepted three hundred thousand dollars from freaky
37:35
Speaker 1: donors who cheer the murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
37:41
Speaker 1: Three hundred thousand dollars. According to one of his defense attorneys,
37:46
Speaker 1: Karen Freeman Agnafello quote, Luigi is aware of the fund
37:50
Speaker 1: and very much appreciates the outpouring of support. My client
37:55
Speaker 1: plans on utilizing it to fight all three of the
37:57
Speaker 1: unprecedented cases against him. Really like he's the first person
38:01
Speaker 1: that's ever going to be tried with murder that's not unprecedented.
38:05
Speaker 1: By the way, it's about three hundred thousand dollars from
38:09
Speaker 1: more than ten thousand individual donations, according to a press release. Okay, well,
38:17
Speaker 1: he's counting his money and eating his pizza and watching
38:21
Speaker 1: his porn tape allegedly. Can we talk about the facts
38:24
Speaker 1: of this case, Harmonia? With all the pre planning, the
38:30
Speaker 1: meticulous visiting the scene, going to a hostel under a
38:36
Speaker 1: fake name, getting a fake jersey ID, getting a fake passport,
38:40
Speaker 1: wearing a mask everywhere, his getaway on the bike, going
38:44
Speaker 1: through Central Park, changing clothes. It's almost out of a
38:47
Speaker 1: James Bond movie. Except he kept the ghost gun. He
38:54
Speaker 1: kept the passport, he kept the fake ID, he kept
38:57
Speaker 1: about ten thousand dollars which he can tests cast with
39:00
Speaker 1: him and foreign currency. Is it true he still had
39:04
Speaker 1: the ghost gun on him? Correct?
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Speaker 4: That's one of the interesting things about these cases. He
39:09
Speaker 4: did go through so much preparation, yet he made several
39:13
Speaker 4: mistakes that got him caught. The first one, of course,
39:16
Speaker 4: being when he pulled down his mask to flirt with
39:19
Speaker 4: an employee.
39:19
Speaker 1: At the hostel.
39:20
Speaker 4: That's how police were able to get his image, which
39:23
Speaker 4: eventually led to his arrest and as you mentioned he
39:27
Speaker 4: had on him at the time of his arrest. All
39:29
Speaker 4: these clues that then, aside from his face of course,
39:33
Speaker 4: made it clear to police that this was their guy.
39:35
Speaker 4: I mean, he kept the same ID that police already
39:38
Speaker 4: had issued a picture of because the hostel had a
39:41
Speaker 4: picture of that fake ID from New Jersey. He also
39:44
Speaker 4: had this same exact weapon as well as the silencer, Nancy.
39:49
Speaker 4: So yeah, a lot of preparation, but there were several
39:52
Speaker 4: things that he overlooked which eventually led to his demid.
39:55
Speaker 1: I mean, think about it, Cheryl McColl explain, it's not
39:58
Speaker 1: hard to break down a oh the photos of the
40:01
Speaker 1: gun are from our friends at seen in Cheryl. If
40:03
Speaker 1: he could put the gun together, he couldn't think to
40:05
Speaker 1: break it down and leave various parts of it and
40:08
Speaker 1: bodies of water or different trash cans along his bus route.
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Speaker 7: He was proud of this gun, Nancy. He made it.
40:15
Speaker 7: He took the time to get the plans, to get
40:18
Speaker 7: the equipment, to get all the material. He was never
40:21
Speaker 7: going to throw that gun away. This is something that
40:24
Speaker 7: means more to him than the average person could understand.
40:28
Speaker 7: It is also associated with the biggest thing he's ever
40:31
Speaker 7: going to do in his life. He's proud of that moment.
40:35
Speaker 7: If you look at again what he did the time
40:38
Speaker 7: that he took stay in for the ten days, building
40:41
Speaker 7: the guns, taking a bus ride, getting the monopoly money
40:45
Speaker 7: right in the manifesto, waiting on the victims. This was
40:49
Speaker 7: not something he planned in a day or week. This
40:54
Speaker 7: is something that meant a lot to him, you.
40:57
Speaker 1: Know, Jason Oshans, we are now looking toward extradition. Extradition.
41:03
Speaker 1: I've handled one hundred of them. They take about ten minutes.
41:07
Speaker 1: It's not about finding guilt or innocence. Extradition it can
41:10
Speaker 1: be from another state, like from Pennsylvania in this case,
41:13
Speaker 1: to New York. It can be from Mexico or Paris
41:16
Speaker 1: to the US if we've got an extradition treaty. But
41:20
Speaker 1: nobody's saying did you do this?
41:22
Speaker 2: There's no jury trial. It's just very simple.
41:25
Speaker 1: It's a are you Luigi Mangioni and tie are you
41:30
Speaker 1: the Luigi Mangioni named?
41:33
Speaker 2: And this warrant for your arrest? That's all it is.
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Speaker 9: Right, you have some speedy trial issue issues that come
41:41
Speaker 9: into play in terms of extradition, and from the time
41:43
Speaker 9: that you have a suspect in custody, and so that's
41:47
Speaker 9: exactly as you said.
41:48
Speaker 8: That's in play now.
41:50
Speaker 9: Simple extradition and YPD detectives will take them.
41:54
Speaker 8: I don't know that he'll object. It doesn't make any.
41:56
Speaker 9: Sense to it just prolongs the process and they bring
42:00
Speaker 9: to New York.
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Speaker 1: Here's a technical legal term. I don't know if they
42:03
Speaker 1: taught you this at your law school, but a lot
42:06
Speaker 1: of times in extradition hearings, you went into a world
42:09
Speaker 1: class a whole and they just won't agree to extradition.
42:14
Speaker 1: Then rather languish in the in this case Pennsylvania CI
42:19
Speaker 1: in Huntington, as opposed to facing the music in New York,
42:23
Speaker 1: it's going to happen. All you have to do is
42:26
Speaker 1: get a fingerprint and go. He is not telling us,
42:29
Speaker 1: but this is Luigi Mangioni, and he is the Luigi
42:32
Speaker 1: Mangioni in this warrant.
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Speaker 2: That's that's all.
42:35
Speaker 1: It is, two questions. But sometimes because the defendant is
42:40
Speaker 1: an a whole technical legal term, they won't agree.
42:44
Speaker 2: So you just send him back to.
42:45
Speaker 1: The jail till you get the fingerprint and you say,
42:47
Speaker 1: enjoy your steel.
42:48
Speaker 9: Sandwich exactly, and you sitting county not assigned a prison
42:53
Speaker 9: cell in a group setting. You know, at that point,
42:57
Speaker 9: take the extradition and deal with the note variety and
43:00
Speaker 9: at least perhaps you'll have your own cell instead of
43:03
Speaker 9: being in a group.
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Speaker 8: It's about all he's got. Looking forward to him.
43:05
Speaker 1: You are hearing Jason Oshins, who has handled many, many
43:09
Speaker 1: extradition hearings, but now listening to Chief of Detectives Joe Kenney,
43:14
Speaker 1: We're going to.
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Speaker 3: Have to work that out with the Manhatan District Attorney's
43:16
Speaker 3: Office in Alchuna, Pennsylvania. He's going to be facing gun
43:20
Speaker 3: charges there, and at some point we'll work out through
43:22
Speaker 3: extradition to bring him back to New York to face
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Speaker 3: charges here, working with the Manhattan District Attorney's Office.
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Speaker 16: Luigi Mangoni has been ordered held without bail and does
43:30
Speaker 16: not enter a plea In his first court appearance in Holidaysburg, Pennsylvania.
43:34
Speaker 16: Majoni is escorted to his preliminary arrayment in handcuffs, with
43:38
Speaker 16: multiple police officers from different departments walking with him, as
43:41
Speaker 16: he is facing five charges, including one felonycount of forgery
43:45
Speaker 16: and one felony account of carrying a firearm without a license.
43:48
Speaker 16: Mangoni is the lone person of interest in the brazen
43:51
Speaker 16: murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson in Manhattan last week,
43:55
Speaker 16: but he's not charged with that crime.
43:57
Speaker 1: I'm sure defense attorney Jason Oshens doesn't want to hear this.
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Speaker 1: But jo Scott Morgan joining me, professor forensics, he stated,
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Speaker 1: very plainly, Hey, you know what, I respect the FBI.
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Speaker 1: You guys have done so much for our country. Let
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Speaker 1: me just save you some time. I acted alone. He's
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Speaker 1: perfectly coherent. So, Joe Scott, here's my question. What do
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Speaker 1: you think will be the single most important evidence in
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Speaker 1: this case? And I'm guessing it's going to be forensics.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, it will be, but I think maybe in a
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Speaker 11: different area it's going to be electronic forensics. Let's think
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Speaker 11: about what we have. He's going to be tracked moving
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Speaker 11: along now that we know who this guy is, his
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Speaker 11: movements on the bus line. Did he have multiple phones?
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Speaker 11: Did he have an actual phone that had his name
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Speaker 11: attached to it as well as a burner phone that
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Speaker 11: maybe was tracked concurrently with the burner phone. Also, you know,
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Speaker 11: we haven't talked a lot about Brian Thompson here. What
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Speaker 11: did this guy do to stalk him? You know, we
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Speaker 11: go back to this idea that he knew he was
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Speaker 11: in Manhattan, that he knew he was at this meeting.
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Speaker 11: Is his history digital history going to have a big
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Speaker 11: reveal about this relative to him following him day to day.
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Speaker 11: Did he ever actually make any trips to Minneapolis to
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Speaker 11: kind of inspect that area. That's going to be a
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Speaker 11: big part of this is putting all of this together.
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Speaker 11: I think that, yeah, the ballistics are unique, I think
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Speaker 11: if you can even attach it, But I think one
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Speaker 11: of the biggest, biggest pieces of evidence here is all
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Speaker 11: of this electronic data that's going to come into play.
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Speaker 11: And also, don't forget this, Nancy, he has a real
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Speaker 11: understanding and a real love for AI. We've seen this
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Speaker 11: throughout throughout his social media post, the life that he lived,
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Speaker 11: his bachelor's and master's degree in computer science. The three
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Speaker 11: D ghost gun, you know, he's familiar with that. That's
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Speaker 11: a big part of new technology and just being able
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Speaker 11: to generate false IDs all of that along the way
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Speaker 11: is going to be a big, big dagger in the
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Speaker 11: heart for him.
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Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, You know what, let me just give you
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Speaker 2: an example.
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Speaker 1: The ghost gun. Forte's sake is the most important piece
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Speaker 1: of evidence. I tie it with a fingerprint.
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Speaker 7: The single most important piece of evidence to me is
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Speaker 7: we've got him on freaking video commit murder. Everything else
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Speaker 7: is going to be tied to it. The gun, the clothing,
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Speaker 7: singer print, everything else is coming.
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Speaker 1: DNA sing single most important piece video and quickly to
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Speaker 1: Hermania Rodriguez dailymail dot com.
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Speaker 2: What happens now? We're just waiting on the extradition hearing.
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Speaker 4: Correct, So he's supposed to appear in court again in
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Speaker 4: Pennsylvania today and now the process of extradition moves along.
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Speaker 4: Charges have already been filed in New York, so we
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Speaker 4: don't have to wait for him to be physically in
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Speaker 4: New York for that. But now that process starts and
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Speaker 4: we are yet to hear what his defense is going
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Speaker 4: to be. Is he going to oppose extradition as you mentioned?
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Speaker 4: And that's what's going to start now, the legal process
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Speaker 4: and all this evidence is going to emerge.
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Speaker 1: Tonight we honor two American heroes. Number one, the so
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Speaker 1: called elderly patron having his or her coffee at a McDonald's,
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Speaker 1: just like every single morning, who took it upon themselves,
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Speaker 1: whether they knew it or not, to risk their lives
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Speaker 1: to catch an alleged killer. We discussed earlier how very
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Speaker 1: often arrests go sideways, much less the arrest of a
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Speaker 1: violent criminal who's carrying a loaded ghost gun and also
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Speaker 1: hero Tyler fry a beat coop, a patrol officer in
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Speaker 1: Altoona PD. He knew he was going to apprehend the
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Speaker 1: health boss assassin, as he has been called. Did he
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Speaker 1: shrink back, No, he strode in, and he made the arrest.
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Speaker 1: By the book. If it weren't for those two individuals,
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Speaker 1: Brian Thompson's two boys may never have answers, but tonight
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Speaker 1: they do. Thank you to that patron at McDonald's and
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Speaker 1: to patrol Officer Tyler Frye. We wait for justice to unfold.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,