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Tyler Robinson Preliminary Hearing Transcripts (Day 1-Part 9) (8/26/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. In
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  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to get back to day number
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  Speaker 1: one of the preliminary hearing for Tyler Robinson. Grunender, Kimberly,
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  Speaker 1: if we can zoom in. Officer, I'm going to have
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  Speaker 1: you come down and describe for the court where you
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  Speaker 1: put that police tape up to secure the scene, the
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  Speaker 1: rooftop area on the southwest corner of the rooftop. Answer. Answer.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the top of the Loci building. You
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  Speaker 1: got two different grays. The southwest is towards the top,
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  Speaker 1: center of the picture. You can see some yellow tape
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  Speaker 1: that spans from over here on the far right side
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  Speaker 1: of the picture by these black pipes. Goes around the
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  Speaker 1: silver vent, comes back down around the corner of the
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  Speaker 1: silver to keep everybody out of that area where the
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  Speaker 1: prone position was at. Question by Grunender. Okay, on that photograph,
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  Speaker 1: are you able to see where you put the tape
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  Speaker 1: up as far as the access way? To that roof
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  Speaker 1: near the stairway? Answer. So it was right here, actually,
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  Speaker 1: this natural barrier where you have to climb over the guardrail.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the other barrier that I had set up. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And you put police tape on that? Answer. Yeah. Question. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Did you eventually leave that area? Answer. I did. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Do you recall about what time you left the area? Answer. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I have it in my notes. It would be when
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  Speaker 1: I left the area. It was almost one o'clock, about 103, 101. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: before leaving, did you leave the scene with anyone? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I did not leave the scene. Or did I leave
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  Speaker 1: the scene to somebody? Yes. Grunender, just to someone else? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and who was that? Answer, it was a county deputy,
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  Speaker 1: a female. Question, did you provide instructions to her? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I did. Question, and what were those instructions? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: advised her not to let anybody inside the crime scene
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  Speaker 1: without being a police officer. or an investigator. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: thank you. You can take your seat again. Officer, upon
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  Speaker 1: seeing this disturbance in the gravel, you've described what it
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  Speaker 1: looked like to you? Answer, yes. Question, someone lying down
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  Speaker 1: in a prone position, correct? Answer, yes. Question, what did
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  Speaker 1: you do next? Answer, so when I got to the
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  Speaker 1: top of the Losey building during that day, I noticed
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  Speaker 1: the screwdriver kept going to the edge, found that prone position.
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  Speaker 1: At that moment, I realized, because it was in the
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  Speaker 1: direct line of sight, plus the disturbance in the gravel
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  Speaker 1: where I could see somebody had laid down in a
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  Speaker 1: prone position or a sniper position and asked dispatch to
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  Speaker 1: get on. Then I realized that we probably didn't have
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  Speaker 1: our shooter in custody from that moment. I asked dispatch
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  Speaker 1: to get on the camera system and to see if
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  Speaker 1: anybody was on top of the Losey building during the
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  Speaker 1: time of the incident. Question, were you advised of anything? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I was. Dispatch came back and advised me that there
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  Speaker 1: was a male individual on top of the roof and
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  Speaker 1: that was there at the time of the shooting. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Did they describe what his movements were? Answer. They did.
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  Speaker 1: They stated that he ran to the edge, dropped down, crawled,
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  Speaker 1: got into a prone position. Question. I'm going to stop
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  Speaker 1: you right there. Ran to the edge. What direction and
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  Speaker 1: what edge? Answer. Running west and southwest of the Losey building,
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  Speaker 1: so ran towards the tent where Charlie Kirk was so
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  Speaker 1: they could get in the line of sight. And then
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  Speaker 1: the individual stood up after the shooting, and ran northeast
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  Speaker 1: on the top of the Losey building. Question, okay, and
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned that this individual on the video dropped off
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  Speaker 1: the edge. Did you get that? Answer, I haven't mentioned that. Question, oh,
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  Speaker 1: what else was described to you? Answer, then, well, at
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  Speaker 1: the moment, so I knew that there was possibly a
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  Speaker 1: shooter on the run. Kathy Nestor, your honor, can we
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  Speaker 1: just have a continuing objection to all the hearsay that's
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  Speaker 1: being testified here? Grunender and Judge. My response to that
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  Speaker 1: was I'm not actually offering this for the truth of
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  Speaker 1: the matter. Asserted at this point, simply for the effect
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  Speaker 1: on the here. So I'm not offering what's been described
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  Speaker 1: in the video as substantive evidence. Judge Graff, all right, Ms. Nestor.
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  Speaker 1: As with that clarification, any thoughts? Nestor, I'll just stand
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  Speaker 1: down on the objection. I mean, he's clearly offering it
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  Speaker 1: for the truth because asking him to describe the route
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  Speaker 1: of the individual and it's based on what other people
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  Speaker 1: told him. So if he wants to circle back to
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  Speaker 1: it after he's put the video in, I mean, we
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  Speaker 1: could do that. But right now, I still think it's
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  Speaker 1: inappropriate hearsay, Your Honor. Judge Graff, all right. Anything further, Mr. Grunender? Grunender,
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  Speaker 1: I'll submit it to the court. Judge Graff, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So as a magistrate, as this is not a jury,
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  Speaker 1: it's to myself as a magistrate, I am not accepting
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  Speaker 1: that statement for the truth of the matter asserted simply
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  Speaker 1: for what has been stated. So I'm specifically making that
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  Speaker 1: finding as I'm receiving this evidence, and I'm not accepting
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  Speaker 1: it for the truth of the matter, asserted only as
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  Speaker 1: represented by Mr. Grunender, and with that the objection is overruled. Mr. Grunender,
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  Speaker 1: you may proceed. Grunender, thank you, Judge. So you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: you were provided with information that an individual was running
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  Speaker 1: north on the Losey rooftop, correct? Answer, yes. Question, what
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  Speaker 1: else was described to you? Answer, at that moment, I actually,
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  Speaker 1: I knew... I had responding units coming into the scene.
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  Speaker 1: I advised other officers that I needed the Losey building secured, searched,
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  Speaker 1: because I didn't know exactly what way that other that
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  Speaker 1: he ran north. That moment I went down to the
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  Speaker 1: police department, which is just down the stairwell, and looked
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  Speaker 1: at the video myself. Question. Where is the police department located? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: It's in the Gunther Trade Building. It's just directly to
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  Speaker 1: the south of the Losey building. Question. Okay. Answer. So
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  Speaker 1: where I describe those outside stairs, the building to the
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  Speaker 1: left of that or south would be the Gunther Trade Building. Question, okay.
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  Speaker 1: On what level is the police department? Answer, it's level three.
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  Speaker 1: Question level three, okay. Upon arriving at the police department,
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  Speaker 1: what did you do next then? Answer, I then took
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  Speaker 1: the footage to verify for myself exactly what expired on
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  Speaker 1: that moment where I could see an individual run up
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  Speaker 1: to the edge, get up and then run off and
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  Speaker 1: then drop off the northeast side of the building of
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  Speaker 1: the Losee building. Question, okay, having viewed that, what did
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  Speaker 1: you do next? Answer, at that moment, I realized I
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  Speaker 1: had a bigger crime scene that I needed to contain
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  Speaker 1: and preserve for evidence. At that moment, I went and
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  Speaker 1: grabbed some more crime scene tape and I responded to
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  Speaker 1: the northeast side of the building and secured an area
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  Speaker 1: where I saw an impression of the shoe print inside
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  Speaker 1: the grass and also up above on that northeast side
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  Speaker 1: of the building. I could see on the cement there
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  Speaker 1: was something had scuffed there and then dropped down to
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  Speaker 1: the shoe imprint and then finished going northeast. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: if I can take the witness back to state exhibit two.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned seeing an individual drop down. Could you come
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  Speaker 1: down and point that area out to the court? Answer, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: This is the Losey building again on the top right
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  Speaker 1: center of the photo. Southwest side is where the individual
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  Speaker 1: was laying down prone and the line of sight came
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  Speaker 1: behind the atrium. came behind that on the west side
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  Speaker 1: of it, came up to the north side of the
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  Speaker 1: Losey building on the east, and this white square piece
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  Speaker 1: on the far right of the picture, and then he
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  Speaker 1: dropped down off the east side of the Losey building
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  Speaker 1: into the grass down below here. Question, so the northeast corner. Answer, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Northeast corner. Question? You mentioned you observed something on the grass. Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I did. I saw a shoe imprint that was embedded
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  Speaker 1: pretty deep right next to where he dropped off. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and all this footage that you personally observed on the
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  Speaker 1: surveillance video? Answer, yes. Question, okay, when you got to
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  Speaker 1: the scene, describe in as best detail as you can
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  Speaker 1: what you saw on the grass then. Answer, so when
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  Speaker 1: I got to the scene, I could see that there
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  Speaker 1: was a shoe imprint there. When I looked up onto
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  Speaker 1: the cement from the roof, I could see some scratching
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  Speaker 1: or rub marks from the top of the roof that
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  Speaker 1: was not there. I could see that looked abnormal. I
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  Speaker 1: then decided to put crime scene tape around the whole
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  Speaker 1: area in case there was more evidence that needed to
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  Speaker 1: be preserved. Question. On that exhibit number two, do you
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  Speaker 1: see where you place the crime scene tape? Answer. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I do. Question. And where is that? Can you describe
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  Speaker 1: that to the court? Answer. It's going to be on
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  Speaker 1: the far right in the center of the picture. You
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  Speaker 1: can see the yellow tape. I came around trees. I
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  Speaker 1: came up further out of the picture. Some more trees.
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  Speaker 1: I came down all the way down to the backside
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  Speaker 1: of the LDS Institute building, and there's a sidewalk to
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  Speaker 1: block everybody out of coming up that way. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: did you at one point leave the scene? Answer, I did. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did you release the scene to anyone? Answer, I did. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and who was that? Answer, there was two Payson police
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  Speaker 1: officers that were standing there. Question, okay, were they in uniform? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: they were. Question, did you provide them with instruction? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I advise them not to let anybody inside the crime
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  Speaker 1: scene other than law enforcement or investigators. Question, okay, you
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  Speaker 1: can take your seat again. Officer Bagley, you've talked about
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  Speaker 1: the disturbance in the gravel that was observed on the
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  Speaker 1: Losey Building. Answer, yes. Question, did you walk through that
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  Speaker 1: disturbance in the gravel? Answer, I did not. Question, did
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  Speaker 1: you otherwise touch it in any way? Answer, no. With
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  Speaker 1: respect to the shoe print that you observed on the
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  Speaker 1: grass on the Northeast Lawn, Area below the Losey building,
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  Speaker 1: did you walk through that? Answer, I did not. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did you otherwise disturb that? Answer, no. Question, Officer Bagley,
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  Speaker 1: what did you do next? Answer, from the moment I
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  Speaker 1: then released the scene, I went down to the Fugle
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  Speaker 1: building and knew that's where the Incident Command Center was at,
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  Speaker 1: so I could relay information that I'd found to responding
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  Speaker 1: units and people in charge. Grunender, can I have a moment, Judge?
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  Speaker 1: Judge Graff, you may. Grunender? The state will pass the witness, Judge.
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  Speaker 1: All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here.
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  Speaker 1: And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to pick up with the cross-examination of Officer Bagley.
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  Speaker 1: All the information that goes with this episode can be
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  Speaker 1: found in the description box.