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The Bolt Report | 19 January · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: East, the good Report.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to my first show for the new year, and
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  Speaker 2: what a huge year this will be for the country,
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  Speaker 2: with the Bundao massacre sending us an unmistakable warning of
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  Speaker 2: how dangerously divided we are. And tonight we'll talk about
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  Speaker 2: that and much more, including Donald Trump's threat to take
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  Speaker 2: Greenland and why are young women suddenly so much more
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  Speaker 2: left wing than young men?
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  Speaker 1: What's driving that?
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  Speaker 2: But first, Oh, such fine speeches in Parliament today about
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  Speaker 2: the Bondai massacre and tears too from labor politicians who
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  Speaker 2: said too little about the lethal jew hatred in this
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  Speaker 2: country until it was all too late. And fifteen people
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  Speaker 2: have been shot dead.
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  Speaker 3: For every person murdered, there are families and friends left behind,
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  Speaker 3: a home left quieter, clothes still hanging in wardrobes, photos
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  Speaker 3: on walls that will never be updated.
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  Speaker 2: More action yesterday might have spared us some tears today.
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  Speaker 2: And when I listened to all those phone speeches in Parliament,
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  Speaker 2: I thought, no bloody wonder, no wonder. These shot polls
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  Speaker 2: today showing one nation soaring and the big two parties
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  Speaker 2: falling like hey, big surprise, Australians have lost all confidence
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  Speaker 2: in politics as usual, There was a News poll today
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  Speaker 2: showing paul Enhances One Nation now polling even more than
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  Speaker 2: the coalition for the first time ever twenty one extraordinary
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  Speaker 2: figures are not that far behind labor either, which has
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  Speaker 2: dropped four points to a miserable thirty two percent. Now
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  Speaker 2: this pole spells death for the leadership of Susan Lee,
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  Speaker 2: although another poll in the same days is not so
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  Speaker 2: fast the resolved poll it's totally different. Yes, it also
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  Speaker 2: had One Nation at record levels eighteen percent, but it
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  Speaker 2: was still a long way behind Susan Lee's coalition on
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  Speaker 2: twenty eight percent, with Labour's primary votes thinking to thirty percent.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, after preferences in that poll, the co lission
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  Speaker 2: has in fact slash Labour's lead to just four points.
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  Speaker 2: So who really knows what's going on except one thing
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  Speaker 2: is clear. The Abanize government's handling of the Bondou massacre
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  Speaker 2: has been a disaster, and support for One Nation just
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  Speaker 2: keeps growing, even though leader Pauline Hansen was still banned
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  Speaker 2: today from sitting in the Senate after the Big Party
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  Speaker 2: suspended her last time for a week of sittings for
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  Speaker 2: dressing up in a burker in protests that being stopped
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  Speaker 2: from speaking about banning the burker. Figure that out, and
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  Speaker 2: what a backfire that was that ban on her. It
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  Speaker 2: just advertised the fact that it's Hansen who most clearly
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  Speaker 2: speaks against the kind of hatred, the more extreme forms
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  Speaker 2: of Islam that allegedly drove the two Bondai killers. And
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  Speaker 2: she did it again today.
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  Speaker 4: I have been someone who stood my ground over the
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  Speaker 4: years that a lot of things that I've said and
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  Speaker 4: done over the years has now happened in our country.
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  Speaker 4: Why do you think what's happened in Bondai? Do you
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  Speaker 4: think it was by chance?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 4: To criticize this? And it is about Islam. It is
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  Speaker 4: about the people that we brought into the country. They're
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  Speaker 4: not people compatible and suitable for this country. Why do
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  Speaker 4: we now have to turn around make laws to start
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  Speaker 4: raigning the men. Why don't we look at these people
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  Speaker 4: before we allow them into our country?
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  Speaker 2: And backing Hanson up today was a new recruit, Barnaby Joyce,
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  Speaker 2: the former National MP and Deputy Prime Minister whose defection
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  Speaker 2: to One Nation has given that party more credibility, and
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  Speaker 2: he nailed the problem with all those fine speeches today.
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  Speaker 5: It is ridiculous to say it's got nothing to do
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  Speaker 5: with radical Islam. It quite evidently self evidently is something
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  Speaker 5: to do with radical ISLM and I tee. What is
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  Speaker 5: is terrible if that condolence motion just stops in there.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody's saying empathy, everyone's saying sorry, and not that all
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  Speaker 5: has to be said.
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  Speaker 1: But if there's no.
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  Speaker 5: Action that follows that, if that's where it stops, then
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  Speaker 5: what was the person of a purpose of that apart
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  Speaker 5: from sort of some empathetic self aggrandizement. You actually have
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  Speaker 5: to come out from there and say something went terribly
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  Speaker 5: wrong and we are going to have to do something
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  Speaker 5: about it.
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  Speaker 2: What a current contrast to the Prime Minister who in
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  Speaker 2: Parliament said the government we're instead inspired by the Islamic state,
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  Speaker 2: as if that's completely different from Islam.
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  Speaker 6: Terrorists inspired by isis murdered our citizens on our soil.
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  Speaker 2: The opposition leader today was much closer to the truth.
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  Speaker 7: Anti Semitic hate fuelled the terrorists on December the fourteenth,
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  Speaker 7: but it came out of the shadows in October twenty
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  Speaker 7: twenty three, walked our streets, It marched over our bridges,
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  Speaker 7: It took over our landmarks. It camped in university quadrangles,
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  Speaker 7: It painted graffiti on our buildings, it fire bombed our
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  Speaker 7: places of worship. We must face uncomfortable truths. Radical Islamist
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  Speaker 7: extremism caused this. I repeat, radical Islamist extremism caused this.
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  Speaker 7: Leaders need to be able to express this clearly, because
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  Speaker 7: if you can't name the problem, you can't possibly defeat it.
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  Speaker 2: And in fact, it's the government's fear of criticizing Islam,
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  Speaker 2: a fear of them concluding well, Islamic immigration must therefore
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  Speaker 2: be limited. That may explain why the bill it wants
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  Speaker 2: Parliament to pass this week to fight this due hatred
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  Speaker 2: is still badly flawed. Now, this bill includes one section
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  Speaker 2: which the government says will give more power to ban
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  Speaker 2: groups spreading due Here's the Prime Minister this morning singling
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  Speaker 2: out two such groups he wants to hit with his
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  Speaker 2: new laws, his Buttaria and in the a Nazi group
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  Speaker 2: to show Muslim voters as after white guys as well.
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  Speaker 6: The other laws go to migration, but also provisions as
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  Speaker 6: well about organizations such as the neo Nazi organizations and
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  Speaker 6: hits bit to Teria and other organizations that promote hate
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  Speaker 6: to be able to give the authorities the power to
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  Speaker 6: deal with them.
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  Speaker 2: Now already there's a huge problem here, which shows just
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  Speaker 2: what we're up against. Australia's top Muslim organization in the
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  Speaker 2: Austraian Federation of Islamic Councils, has joined a his Butaria
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  Speaker 2: Media Front and twenty two other Muslim groups to say no,
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  Speaker 2: don't ban his Botaria, banned Jewish groups instead. It said,
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  Speaker 2: banning his Butzaria under the pretext of hate is wrong
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  Speaker 2: and misleading. We cannot ignore the genocide in Gaza, which
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  Speaker 2: Prosionists advocates have spent the last three years defending.
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  Speaker 1: If hate speech really is.
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  Speaker 2: A crime, then the words of pro Zionist advocates who
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  Speaker 2: have provided a cover for genocide should first be prosecuted.
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  Speaker 2: Two things make that statement frightening. First, a Topmulslim group
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  Speaker 2: thinks if any hate preachers should be banned after the
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  Speaker 2: Bondo massacre of Jews, there should be Jewish groups Zionists.
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  Speaker 2: At Second, it defends his Butteraria, which, as I've worn
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  Speaker 2: for more than a decade, has preached you hatred here
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  Speaker 2: with no government, coalition or labor doing a real thing
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  Speaker 2: about it. Let me play you just some of the
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  Speaker 2: things his Pooteria spokesman have said.
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  Speaker 5: A single bomb went off in this country.
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  Speaker 8: Thousand bombs went off in this country.
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  Speaker 9: All that it will prove is that the Muslims are angry,
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  Speaker 9: and they have every reason to be angry.
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  Speaker 1: But your hood said set open fad was cinema left
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  Speaker 1: aftertijans after.
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  Speaker 2: After the clock.
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  Speaker 1: As I feel cooler, say.
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  Speaker 4: Well, live right, feel the thing.
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  Speaker 2: Hello.
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  Speaker 10: One of the most important moments that we see capture
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  Speaker 10: here today is the unity of the Muslims, tens of
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  Speaker 10: thousands of them walking on this bridge for the first
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  Speaker 10: time ever in this country, in the most iconic location
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  Speaker 10: in this country, walking together, chanting for a frequent esccene
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  Speaker 10: on in the Somic basis.
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  Speaker 11: On the basis side our blood and their blood is wine.
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  Speaker 1: Struggle, struggle as one, our war, and there war is win.
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  Speaker 2: And this group is defended by our top Muslim organization,
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  Speaker 2: an umbrella group of Muslim organizations which says, don't ban
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  Speaker 2: it banned Jewish groups in sorry Zionist groups.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think the Albanizea Governments bill as it stands
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  Speaker 2: will ban this group. The government's fact she says, to
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  Speaker 2: be listed as a prohibited hate group. The organization this
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  Speaker 2: case is Putaria has either engaged in, prepared, planned, or
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  Speaker 2: assisted in a hate crime relating to race, national, or
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  Speaker 2: ethnic origin, or it's advocated hate crimes again relating to race, national,
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  Speaker 2: or ethnic origin. And I should point out here that
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  Speaker 2: his Potaria does not spread hate relating to race, national,
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  Speaker 2: or ethnic origin. It spreads a hate relating to a
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  Speaker 2: religion Judaism. I mean, what nation or ethnicity are the Jews.
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  Speaker 2: I've met European ones, I've met African ones, Australian ones.
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  Speaker 2: I've even met a Jewish convert from India. But of course,
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  Speaker 2: if this bill includes hate against the religion, before you know,
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  Speaker 2: you've got left wing judges will be jailing people who
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  Speaker 2: say Islam is a problem. And indeed it would seem
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  Speaker 2: to many people that extreme Islam is just that. Given
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  Speaker 2: the number of isthmust attacks and the hate preaching of
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  Speaker 2: the kind of just shown, you no worry that the
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  Speaker 2: definition of hate Crome in this bill is and may
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  Speaker 2: not be actually strong enough to get his but toyabanned.
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  Speaker 2: If that's what you want, that's what the prom minister
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  Speaker 2: is promising, because that organization is usually clever enough to
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  Speaker 2: stop short of saying and therefore go out and kill.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe the bills should include a tougher definition, one
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  Speaker 2: that was suggested today by mate Pezulo's former head of
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  Speaker 2: the immigration department, that to be listed as a prohibited
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  Speaker 2: hate group, that group might just have to refuse to
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  Speaker 2: condemn terrorist attacks in pursuit of its cause, and that
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  Speaker 2: would surely catch out his Buttaria, which cannot bring itself
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  Speaker 2: to condemn even the Islamic state beheading civilians.
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  Speaker 9: Why we noise a link is the actions of is
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  Speaker 9: because my question itself is a men who come.
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  Speaker 2: When you see all this hate preaching and the Austraid
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  Speaker 2: Islamic Federation of Islamic Council defending these hate preachers, You've
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  Speaker 2: got to realize that speech itself is not the real
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  Speaker 2: issue here.
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  Speaker 1: It's what drives that speech and.
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  Speaker 2: The people who believe that stuff, silent though they may be.
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  Speaker 2: And for once, his Potaria puts that well, saying that
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  Speaker 2: his botaria is a set of ideas rooted in Islam.
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  Speaker 2: Unless the governments proposed to ban Islam, you cannot ban
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  Speaker 2: the ideas of his botaria. And yeah, unless the government
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  Speaker 2: bans Islam, which I don't support, or at least restrict
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  Speaker 2: some Islamic immigration it cannot ban the ideas of his butteraria.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, one party in Parliament today was dead against
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  Speaker 2: banning Islamic hate groups, suggesting these laws are really aimed
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  Speaker 2: at critics of evil Israel, the world's only Jewish state.
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  Speaker 2: And what's more, this political party accused people of weaponizing
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  Speaker 2: the Jews shot dead at Bondai to push their racism
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  Speaker 2: against people. I assume Muslims who claim Jews were committing genocide. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: the Greens disgrace themselves all over again.
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  Speaker 12: The legacy of this appalling violence at Bondai cannot be
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  Speaker 12: the undermining of basic civil and political rights or laws
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  Speaker 12: that can be used to weaponize racism and hate against
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  Speaker 12: everyday Australians who follow their conscience and speak out against
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  Speaker 12: injustice and genocide.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me and Michael Danby, former Federal Labor politician, the
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  Speaker 2: chairman of the Joint Standing Committee of Foreign Affairs, Defense
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  Speaker 2: and Trade when he was in Parliament, and Steve Conroy,
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  Speaker 2: former Labor senator and Cabinet minister. Michael Danby, you've heard
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  Speaker 2: today from Labor, the Coalition, One Nation and the Greens.
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  Speaker 2: On a day when Parliament passed the condole this motion
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  Speaker 2: for the dead of Bondai.
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  Speaker 1: What does this tell you? Well?
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  Speaker 13: Happy at twenty six Andrew and Steven. There's a lot
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  Speaker 13: of good sentiments there, but I absolutely agree with you Andrew.
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  Speaker 13: I didn't watch the debate because I'm in a sense
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  Speaker 13: a bit sickened by it. It's a whole lot of
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  Speaker 13: there's a great Yiddish word schmaltz. Good sentiment, but overdone
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  Speaker 13: action in the previous two and a half years would
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  Speaker 13: have been better. Tony Burke should have gone out to
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  Speaker 13: Lakember two days afterwards. He didn't have to use any laws.
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  Speaker 2: He just had to use.
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  Speaker 13: Moral suasion on his constituents and tell them that such
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  Speaker 13: behavior celebrating the massacre of people was intolerable in an
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  Speaker 13: Australian society. That's the kind of leadership you were talking about.
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  Speaker 13: That's the kind of leadership that Bob Hawk or Kim Beasley,
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  Speaker 13: or even Bill Shorten or even Julia Gillard would have
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  Speaker 13: given in the past.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Stephen Michael touches on something that really gets me too.
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  Speaker 2: You know, all this talk about banning groups, banning free speech,
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  Speaker 2: all that to try and crack down. Why don't people
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  Speaker 2: just speak up and you know, confront the Adelaide writers
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  Speaker 2: for a week. You know, at the same time that's happened,
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  Speaker 2: you had more than one hundred and eighty guests and
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  Speaker 2: writers and all that walk out of the festival in
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  Speaker 2: support of a woman that's preached the most amazing hatred
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  Speaker 2: of Zion, etcetera, and defended Hamas. I mean, why didn't
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  Speaker 2: the Prime minister. Hasn't the Prime Minister, Why isn't Tony
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  Speaker 2: Burke said a single word of criticism about that?
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  Speaker 14: Well, look, that individual did say some hateful and abhorrent
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  Speaker 14: things and tweeted them out, and anyone who wanted to
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  Speaker 14: in any way suggest that what happened that day was
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  Speaker 14: a good thing really shouldn't be tolerated. I want to
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  Speaker 14: congratulate better Melanaskis for the stand he took. He's made
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  Speaker 14: it very clear that he doesn't support her views. But
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  Speaker 14: in terms of this the butt and this is the
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  Speaker 14: silent as you've outlined, Well, it's a state festival, so
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  Speaker 14: I don't think Susan lahell what to say about it,
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  Speaker 14: and I'm not critical when I say that, but this
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  Speaker 14: is a state issue and there was excellent leadership from Peter.
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  Speaker 14: But on the legislation it is complex. Andrew and you've
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  Speaker 14: described trying to find that belts. I hope that those
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  Speaker 14: negotiations that are going on right now between Labor and
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  Speaker 14: the Liberal Party find a reasonable, sensible outcome that can
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  Speaker 14: see both parties put their hands up.
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  Speaker 1: And vote for this legislation.
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  Speaker 14: But if it falls short, and I know you said
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  Speaker 14: are banning organizations, but the Nazi Party offshoot here in
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  Speaker 14: Melbourne already disbanded itself.
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  Speaker 1: Which is a good thing.
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  Speaker 14: But you know, if we do not put you know,
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  Speaker 14: his books are here on the list and ban it,
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  Speaker 14: then this legislation will have failed. I would hope and
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  Speaker 14: feel confident that that's what will happen. But if the
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  Speaker 14: legislation does not give the ability to do that, it
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  Speaker 14: does not give the ability to deal with the hate
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  Speaker 14: preachers that espouse anti Semitism and create help create the environment.
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  Speaker 14: If it does not deal with those issues, then I'll
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  Speaker 14: be sad and disappointed in both political parties.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, the party we banned, if it works, but
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  Speaker 2: all the believers in the ideology and in the Hesbyterary message,
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  Speaker 2: all the members there will still be there.
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  Speaker 1: They will still be there.
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  Speaker 2: And the point is, why do we need even more
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  Speaker 2: laws against free speech and free association in a country
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  Speaker 2: that once allowed the Communist Party to keep going. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the attempt by the Mensis government to ban the Communist
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  Speaker 2: Party defeated. Why do we ban when good men and
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  Speaker 2: women could have stopped what we've seen by simply speaking
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  Speaker 2: up and the Prime Minister did not.
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  Speaker 1: And that's my point.
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  Speaker 2: The gutlessness is what the real issue is here.
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  Speaker 1: Now. The polls, Michael, these extraordinary polls.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the News poll has one message and then
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  Speaker 2: the resolved poll in the Channel nine papers has a
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  Speaker 2: complete other.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what did these two polls tell you.
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  Speaker 13: That the two party preferred vote for the one nation
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  Speaker 13: Liberal National Party is up and they'll preference each other.
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  Speaker 13: I'd imagine. I don't believe Andrew the wearer to reform
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  Speaker 13: UK moment in Australian politics. Yet it's very good for
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  Speaker 13: retail politicians like Pauline Hanson and Barnaby Joyce, good retail
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  Speaker 13: politicians to get ahead for the first time in one
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  Speaker 13: of the prestigious polls. But I don't think they are
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  Speaker 13: going to stay ahead, and I think their preferences will
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  Speaker 13: strongly come back to the Liberal National Party. And I
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  Speaker 13: think there is an anti government shift which you would
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  Speaker 13: expect after two and the government's poor handling of this
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  Speaker 13: Bondai issue and the issue of anti Semitism over the
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  Speaker 13: last two years.
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  Speaker 14: Steve Conry, look, I thought it was fascinating that they
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  Speaker 14: went in different directions. I mean both of them had
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  Speaker 14: Labor I think just below its vote of the last election,
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  Speaker 14: so I think the Labor Party would be wanting to
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  Speaker 14: watch that. But what it did show is that the
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  Speaker 14: Liberal Party the Coalition are still struggling on their right flank,
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  Speaker 14: that their votes are being eaten up by as Michael said,
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  Speaker 14: the cheap retail politics, the usually lazy politics that Pauline
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  Speaker 14: Hanson has always practiced, and that there's real tension inside
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  Speaker 14: the Liberal Party and you can just see this over
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  Speaker 14: the debate on this legislation. I think Susan they wants
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  Speaker 14: to do the right thing, but Ladi who want to
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  Speaker 14: advocate this imagery position and the absolute free speech is
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  Speaker 14: what rules in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: It's not.
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  Speaker 14: The Jewish community in Australia deserve the right to walk
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  Speaker 14: the streets of Melbourne without being intimidated by those rolling protests.
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  Speaker 14: So I think even now when the country needs to
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  Speaker 14: see leadership from both political parties and that's what's been
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  Speaker 14: reflected by those polls. You know, Susan Lay is in
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  Speaker 14: a world of pain inside our own party. The labor
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  Speaker 14: parties united on what it's trying to achieve. It's Susan
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  Speaker 14: Lay that's struggling to control her party to get them.
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  Speaker 1: To the table. And do I do want it to
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  Speaker 1: mule from one of the poles that legislation? Can it please? Michael? Can? I?
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  Speaker 2: Just before I go ask you about this, it's you know,
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  Speaker 2: like I say, a lot of what we need is
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  Speaker 2: beyond banning free speech and banning parties. It is just
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  Speaker 2: that people speak up against the drift in the culture.
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  Speaker 1: Here.
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  Speaker 2: It strengths to me as ridiculous that the new South
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  Speaker 2: Wales Labor government is appointed Barrison, the Philip Bolton to
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  Speaker 2: the Supreme Court when he's called on the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: at a distance Australia from Israel, which he falsely accuses
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  Speaker 2: by the way of genocide, among other alleged defenses. And
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  Speaker 2: it's supposed to that Zionists lie and lay it again,
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  Speaker 2: according to reporting in the Australian newspaper. I mean, how
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  Speaker 2: can any Zionists, which includes me and the vast majority
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  Speaker 2: of Jews feel comfortable appearing before such a judge. Given
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  Speaker 2: those coments, how does it get appointed by Labor in
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: this context?
• 21:35
  Speaker 13: Well, first of all, let me agree with you that
• 21:36
  Speaker 13: it's the zeitgeist in Australia over the last two and
• 21:40
  Speaker 13: a half years that's important. It's the ABC, it's the writers,
• 21:44
  Speaker 13: it's the artists, it's the government on all of these issues,
• 21:47
  Speaker 13: together with the Islamist extremists, that have made Australia a
• 21:52
  Speaker 13: more perilous place to live in. And I think this
• 21:55
  Speaker 13: is a person who seems to have been captured by
• 21:57
  Speaker 13: that zeitgeist. And I must say that Michael Daley has
• 22:01
  Speaker 13: never impressed me as an Attorney General in New South
• 22:04
  Speaker 13: Wales and he's the person who has appointed in him.
• 22:07
  Speaker 13: The problem in Victoria with the appointment of magistrates and
• 22:12
  Speaker 13: judges who are soft on crime. That's the problems of
• 22:16
  Speaker 13: previous attorney generals, both Liberal and Labor, and that's who
• 22:19
  Speaker 13: you should blame for these kind of appointments. And they
• 22:23
  Speaker 13: do definitely affect how things are judged over the long term,
• 22:26
  Speaker 13: such as the judge who was appointed to make the
• 22:32
  Speaker 13: ruling on the bridge in Sydney, which was against the
• 22:34
  Speaker 13: advice of the police. So you know it's the attorney general's,
• 22:39
  Speaker 13: especially state attorney generals, who are appointing these judges and magistrates.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 22:45
  Speaker 14: I don't want to, Michael said, but Andrew, that blokes
• 22:53
  Speaker 14: right free speech. Just hit the fence on your analysis.
• 22:56
  Speaker 14: He should not be given a job because of some things.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: He said.
• 22:58
  Speaker 14: I mean, you can't both if you have it both
• 23:00
  Speaker 14: ways that you know everyone should be and you don't
• 23:04
  Speaker 14: like his and you shouldn't get a job.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: My question.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Agree, I didn't say that, you Stephen. It's about and hello, hello,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: let me just let me clarify. We are talking about
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: We are talking about judges being seen to be neutral
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: in the administration of justice. This is a fundamental thing
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: of our courses are for decades and decades of centuries,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: really and if someone says Zionist, lie and lie again,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: if it's reported to be correct, then I would be
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: concerned as a Zionist being in front of that judge
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: with the presumption that I lie and lie again. I mean,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: that is nothing unusual at all. It's free to see,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: somebody says, but that does not mean there is cut
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: out to be a judge and being seen to be
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: impartial being seen, which is a critical thing. Stephen Conor
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: and Michael Danby, thank you very much to you both.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: After the break Herans Islamus leaders slaughter sixteen thousand protests,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: says so where are the marchers here against that? Where
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: you see no Jews involved, no interest. The end of
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: the last year, it was easy to think the West
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: was losing the world's democracies are crumbling while this axis
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: of dictators China, Russia, Iran and North Korea seem to
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: be getting stronger. But this year starts with Russia still
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: taking massive losses in Ukraine after nearly four years of war,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: and now Iran, the Islamic fascist regime, which was supplying
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Russia with the weapons, in fact faces massive protests against
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: it as its economy collapses and people get sick of
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: its extremism. The regime has cut the internet, the fact
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: that it's killed and reported sixteen thousand Iranians to keep
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: its control. Now, there was a protest against the regime
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: is Sydney on Saturday, where well, unlike all the pro
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Palestinian protest we've seen, we saw is Australian and Israeli
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: flags waved alongside the old Iranian one to show that
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: the Iranian regime, like a hamas clients in Gaza, are
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: enemies of all democracies, and so is its version of Islam.
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: This regime is not Iranian. They are a foreign Islamist
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: force seeking to mass slaughter Iranians first, Jews next, and
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: then the next victims after that is you and I
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: all the infidels around the globe, including Australia. What we
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: saw in Bondai was just a sign of what's more
• 25:38
  Speaker 9: to come if we don't take them seriously.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Joining is the country's top foreign affairs writer, Greg Sheridan
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: of The Australian. Greg, great to see you again. I'm
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: grateful to you for coming on the show's Irregular again
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: this year. Very much value your contributions Iran. How serious
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: are these protests?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Andrew, great to be with you and welcome back.
• 26:03
  Speaker 15: Look, these protests I think were the most serious challenge
• 26:08
  Speaker 15: the Iranian government has faced since the Islamic Revolution in
• 26:12
  Speaker 15: nineteen seventy nine. I think sixteen and a half thousand
• 26:15
  Speaker 15: dead civilians is a very modest estimate. I've got good reasons,
• 26:20
  Speaker 15: with pretty good sources for thinking the number of dead
• 26:24
  Speaker 15: is very strongly in excess of that, however, and as
• 26:30
  Speaker 15: you rightly comment, you know no demonstrators on the streets
• 26:33
  Speaker 15: about it, except ethnic Iranian Iranians and some sympathetic Jewish Australians.
• 26:38
  Speaker 15: Even worse, the killings in Sudan in the civil war
• 26:40
  Speaker 15: there one hundred and fifty thousand dead and about the
• 26:43
  Speaker 15: same time as the Iran as the Israel Hamas hostilities.
• 26:48
  Speaker 15: Not a peep out of the left about that. However,
• 26:52
  Speaker 15: The depressing thing is that the regime has held together
• 26:55
  Speaker 15: pretty well. There have been no real cracks in the regime,
• 26:58
  Speaker 15: no defections, even people identified as moderates within the Iranian
• 27:03
  Speaker 15: regime backing the crackdown. No troops have refused to fire
• 27:08
  Speaker 15: on their citizens. Dictatorships tend to fall when they liberalize
• 27:13
  Speaker 15: or when there's conflict within the elite. At this stage,
• 27:18
  Speaker 15: there's neither of those things. Donald Trump may strike them
• 27:21
  Speaker 15: and that might hurt them, but on the other hand,
• 27:23
  Speaker 15: he didn't strike them at the height of the demonstrations.
• 27:27
  Speaker 15: He may do more stuff with sanctions that might hurt them,
• 27:30
  Speaker 15: but so far there's no real sign that they're cracking up.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the pressing news for all those hopeful young
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Iranians in the streets of Sydney who were thinking, least
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: for the first time in their young lives, maybe there
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: was some reform in freedom in Iran.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: But there you go.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump is busy with another country. Is up this
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: campaign to take Greenland from Denmark without ruling out for series.
• 28:08
  Speaker 16: Finland is very important for the national security, including of Denmark.
• 28:12
  Speaker 16: And the problem is is not a thing that Denmark
• 28:14
  Speaker 16: can do about it if Russia or China wants to
• 28:16
  Speaker 16: occupy Greenland.
• 28:17
  Speaker 17: But there's everything we can do. You know, I can't
• 28:20
  Speaker 17: rely on Denmark being able to fend themselves off. You know,
• 28:23
  Speaker 17: they were talking about they put an extra dog and
• 28:25
  Speaker 17: they were serious about this. They put an extra dog
• 28:27
  Speaker 17: sled there. Last month they edited a second dog sled.
• 28:32
  Speaker 17: That's not going to do the trick.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: That greg Trump has now said it's going to post
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: twenty five percent tariffs on the seven European countries at
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: last week promised to send soldiers to Greenland in support
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: of Denmark, including France, Germany in Britain, which by the way,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: he sent only one soldier. Why is Trump pushing this
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: so hard and will they get Greenland in the end?
• 28:57
  Speaker 15: Well later you know, one thing I'd admire about your
• 28:59
  Speaker 15: journal is that you tell the truth about Trump when
• 29:02
  Speaker 15: he does good things and when he does bad things.
• 29:04
  Speaker 15: I try, in my very limited way, to do the same. Recently,
• 29:07
  Speaker 15: I praised him a lot over his actions on Gaza
• 29:10
  Speaker 15: and Iran and even Venezuela. But in this Greenland business,
• 29:16
  Speaker 15: he has no justification for what he's doing at all,
• 29:20
  Speaker 15: not a speck of justification. So Greenland is a huge territory,
• 29:24
  Speaker 15: a huge, huge territory, much much bigger than France. As
• 29:29
  Speaker 15: the ice is melting a bit, there may be access
• 29:32
  Speaker 15: to its mineral resources. As the ice is melting a bit,
• 29:36
  Speaker 15: the sea ways around the Arctic and near Greenland may
• 29:41
  Speaker 15: become more navigable. And both Russians and Chinese are appearing there.
• 29:46
  Speaker 15: The United States already has a military base in Greenland
• 29:49
  Speaker 15: and would be welcome by both the Danes and the
• 29:52
  Speaker 15: Greenlanders to establish as many military bases as it wanted.
• 29:57
  Speaker 15: What Trump says is simply comple barking mad the idea
• 30:02
  Speaker 15: that Russia or China could occupy Greenland and that there's
• 30:06
  Speaker 15: nothing that NATO could do about it. You know, Russia
• 30:09
  Speaker 15: and China would both be operating a long, long long
• 30:12
  Speaker 15: way away from home, and the United States would be
• 30:14
  Speaker 15: there to do something about it as a NATO ally.
• 30:17
  Speaker 15: For Trump to simply decide that he wants to take
• 30:20
  Speaker 15: this great, big chunk of territory, it can't be just
• 30:24
  Speaker 15: for security reasons, because he could do anything he wanted
• 30:26
  Speaker 15: to in security terms right now. Presumably it's partly for
• 30:30
  Speaker 15: mineral reasons, but I think it's really tied up with
• 30:33
  Speaker 15: Trump's with the dark side of the Trump personality, narcissistic
• 30:38
  Speaker 15: personality disorder.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: And ego mania.
• 30:40
  Speaker 15: He thinks that, like the Louisiana purchase, or you know,
• 30:45
  Speaker 15: the Seward purchase of Alaska in the nineteenth cent Arica,
• 30:49
  Speaker 15: that he can go down in history as someone who,
• 30:53
  Speaker 15: you know, who greatly enlarged American territory. But you know,
• 30:58
  Speaker 15: the consequences would be die Bollackle invading the territory of
• 31:02
  Speaker 15: a NATO ally. I don't think in the end even
• 31:06
  Speaker 15: Trump will be mad enough to do it, and I
• 31:08
  Speaker 15: think even cowed Republicans would rebel furiously in Congress if
• 31:14
  Speaker 15: he tried to do it. So Trump, sometimes he's better
• 31:17
  Speaker 15: than any other American president you could imagine, and sometimes
• 31:21
  Speaker 15: he's worse than any other American president you could imagine.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I have no reason to believe that he would invade Greenland.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I think it's a typical Trump bluster to get people
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: to the negotiating table and give him what he really wants.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: And I think just keep your eye on that. There's
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: a typical Trump tactic. We shall see if you just
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: bought the place, he could offer a Greenlanders a million
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: dollars every man, woman and child and get the whole
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: island for fifty seven billion dollars and that would be
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: a bargain. Greg Sheridan, thank you so much for your
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: time after the break. Why have young women suddenly become
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: so left wing but young men not. Something very strange
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: has gone on with young women and around the world
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: that have gone swung very strongly left, much more than
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: young men.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: The data is incredible.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, in Australia, the ABC's huge Vote Compass survey
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: showed two thirds of women aged under twenty nine identified
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: as left or moderately left. And if you say, oh, well,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: you know young people that are all left wing before
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: they wise up, only half the young men that age
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: said they were left or moderately left.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: So two thirds of women, but just half of men.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: And the weird thing is that the same has happened
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: in the United States, a gap that's got much bigger
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: over the past five years, so that young women from
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: eighteen to twenty nine are now much more left wing
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: than young men, a similar gap as you see here
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: three points, or you look at Britain or Germany, South
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Korea by the way as well, again that growing gap
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: between left wing young women and more conservative young men.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Joining me a Lisa Godard, former foreign correspondent, founder of
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: the DNI media Asconi is regular Joe Hilda Brand Lisa,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: congratulations on your marriage. By the way, why have young
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: women become so much more likely the young men over
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: the past few years.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: To be left wing? Andrew?
• 33:31
  Speaker 18: If I had that answer, the Liberal Party would be
• 33:33
  Speaker 18: calling me right now. It's the great problem. They think
• 33:37
  Speaker 18: by putting more women into leadership positions, they're going to
• 33:39
  Speaker 18: solve this swing of young women moving to the left.
• 33:42
  Speaker 18: And I think what you need to do is look
• 33:44
  Speaker 18: at exactly how they've grown up. All of these women
• 33:47
  Speaker 18: have come through in an era of social media. They've
• 33:50
  Speaker 18: come through being told the world is ending, you've got
• 33:52
  Speaker 18: the climate crisis at all, the catastrophes, everything is a crisis.
• 33:55
  Speaker 18: There's this whole sense of victimhood and they're looking to belong.
• 33:59
  Speaker 18: And so what the left of how cleverly done, I think,
• 34:01
  Speaker 18: is they've taken that anxiety in that sort of in
• 34:03
  Speaker 18: that age group and weaponize it into ideology and they've said,
• 34:07
  Speaker 18: you have a home here in the left and the
• 34:09
  Speaker 18: far left. And that's what we've seen happen. And look,
• 34:12
  Speaker 18: the Conservatives really have to try to figure this out
• 34:14
  Speaker 18: because in twenty twenty two they had their lowest women
• 34:18
  Speaker 18: vote of all time. So if they don't try to
• 34:21
  Speaker 18: work out, how do we crack this, how do we
• 34:23
  Speaker 18: work out what is happening in our universities? How do
• 34:25
  Speaker 18: we give these women a real alternative that I don't
• 34:28
  Speaker 18: know how they get that women vote back?
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Joe, here's a hospital pass through a bloke being asked
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: to make wild generalizations about women. Why are young women
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: suddenly more likely than young men.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: To be of the left? Look, it is a great question.
• 34:49
  Speaker 11: And as a no, I despite by youthful good looks,
• 34:52
  Speaker 11: I'm not in fact a twenty something female. I'm a
• 34:55
  Speaker 11: forty nine year old man. I'm about to turn fifty
• 34:57
  Speaker 11: this year. God help me, but I do I I
• 35:00
  Speaker 11: can explain it for you, Andrew. That's because the nature
• 35:04
  Speaker 11: of what the left, the nature of.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: What the left is is changing.
• 35:08
  Speaker 11: For me, what I see as the sort of gold
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: standard of the left, I don't even like using the
• 35:14
  Speaker 11: word anymore. But of the of labor politics was that
• 35:17
  Speaker 11: hawk keeping era, which was firmly focused on economic outcomes,
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: on managing the economy, well, managing the economy for ordinary people,
• 35:27
  Speaker 11: ordinary working people, deregulating the economy, and doing things that
• 35:31
  Speaker 11: the Libs had in fact wanted to do for a
• 35:33
  Speaker 11: long time and had no choice but to support every
• 35:36
  Speaker 11: step of the way. But also you know, reaching things
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: like the Accord, where you would, you know, say, right,
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: we're going to pull back on wage demands, but we're
• 35:45
  Speaker 11: going to provide you with a safety net in terms
• 35:47
  Speaker 11: of health or welfare or education, whatever.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: It may be.
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: That I think now has kind of all almost been
• 35:53
  Speaker 11: taken for granted, and now I think young people looking
• 35:57
  Speaker 11: to whatever is left or policy itself to define what
• 36:02
  Speaker 11: their values are. And it's telling that the case study
• 36:05
  Speaker 11: that they used in this article didn't actually say that
• 36:08
  Speaker 11: she was pro labor. Her and her friends were pro labor.
• 36:11
  Speaker 11: They said they were all anti Dutton. So it's actually
• 36:14
  Speaker 11: not about the policies. It's not about Okay, well, how
• 36:17
  Speaker 11: is this going to improve my life on a practical level.
• 36:20
  Speaker 11: It's about expressing my values and what I even more
• 36:24
  Speaker 11: than what I approve of, but what I disapprove of.
• 36:27
  Speaker 11: So there is you know, the left is I suppose
• 36:29
  Speaker 11: that the young modern left is united by what they hate,
• 36:32
  Speaker 11: and I suspect it's things like Peter Dutton, Israel and
• 36:35
  Speaker 11: indeed sexism and misogyny. And that's why there's a split
• 36:39
  Speaker 11: between women and men because one of these sort of
• 36:41
  Speaker 11: cultural touchstones is that you know that women are oppressed,
• 36:45
  Speaker 11: that the patriarchy is holding them back, that you know
• 36:48
  Speaker 11: that toxic masculinity is destroying that perhaps even that there
• 36:52
  Speaker 11: aren't even two set sexual sexes, so and meny going weren't.
• 36:58
  Speaker 18: Yeah it's fair?
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Well yeah maybe, but Lisa, I wonder I'm going to
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: pick up with something Lisa said which chimes into something
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I read, which says, look, you know, women, you can't
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: get away from the fact that women of you know,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: women have the children, they're out of action for a
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: while when they're pregnant, they're more vulnerable have been for eons,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: and they look to communal security more. And we're living
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: in an age where everything is a scare, particularly the
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: global warming scare.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: So that might hit women harder than young men.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but Lisa, to safer grounds now that
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I can stop generalizing myself about women. So the condolence motion,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: yeah I did, I did, hit behind you. You might
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: have noticed the condolence motion.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Today, Lisa.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: It struck me that politicians still hasn't worked out that
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: mass immigration identity policies has destroyed any idea of their being.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: You know, an ass when you say uffs are aliens,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: we're in tribes. Now, here's the premise today, talking as
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: if we are all as one.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: Here is we make it clear to every Jewish Australian
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: you are not alone.
• 38:13
  Speaker 13: All Australians stand with you.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: In fact, all Australians don't agree with what the premister
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: said is some extremists Muslims don't. They're not with the Jews,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: and nor are many on the hard left, Lisa. In fact,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: one artist, taxpayer funded, Matt Chun even wrote this article,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: we don't mourn fascists, referring to the Bundai massacre.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: It seems to me we are.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Confronting the fragmentation of Australia and the way government funds extremists.
• 38:46
  Speaker 18: Look, I think for a very long time we all
• 38:47
  Speaker 18: heard about diversity, inclusion, we all have to have this
• 38:50
  Speaker 18: great mixed Australia. But what we now need to focus
• 38:54
  Speaker 18: on is unity. And I know you are going to
• 38:56
  Speaker 18: raise it coming up, but Australia Day is just around
• 38:58
  Speaker 18: the corner. There is never been a more important time
• 39:01
  Speaker 18: to proudly fly the Australian flag and to actually say
• 39:05
  Speaker 18: we value what this country stands for and our culture
• 39:08
  Speaker 18: and what it is to be Australian. And I had
• 39:11
  Speaker 18: a young person just the other night say to me,
• 39:13
  Speaker 18: if you fly the Australian flag, you're a racist.
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: That's what we're up against.
• 39:17
  Speaker 18: And not far from here from this studio in Sydney,
• 39:19
  Speaker 18: a woman was overheard in a coffee shop this morning
• 39:22
  Speaker 18: just saying she had friends who are overseas and can
• 39:24
  Speaker 18: you believe it, they were still talking about that Bondai massacre,
• 39:28
  Speaker 18: like they just need to move on, quote unquote. This
• 39:31
  Speaker 18: was the Jewish marketing machine in full control. And so
• 39:36
  Speaker 18: while you have that in this city and in this country.
• 39:39
  Speaker 18: How do you possibly have a Prime Minister standing up
• 39:42
  Speaker 18: saying we need to have unity, we need to be united.
• 39:45
  Speaker 18: Like that's what I can't get my head around.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: The city is still almost selling time, you know.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I agree, we're almost out of time, Joe. But Australia
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Day is going to be so important this year.
• 39:57
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and look, the vast majority of Australian's love is
• 40:00
  Speaker 11: a Stralia Day. They support Australia Day. They want to
• 40:02
  Speaker 11: celebrate being Australians. I would just say, don't confuse most
• 40:06
  Speaker 11: Australians for the loudest Australians. You've got a bunch of
• 40:09
  Speaker 11: very noisy people on the fringes, but they are not
• 40:13
  Speaker 11: most of us.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: We do not speak for all of us.
• 40:15
  Speaker 11: They aren't nutters or were just shouting from the edges.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: And maybe we've just got to get used to the
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: fact that there is always going to be a minority
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: that are against whatever's going and they don't need to
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: be pandered to. Lisa got Joe Hillebrand. Thank you very
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: much to you both. After the break around the West,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: the political class didn't that strongly are mass immigration, especially
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: from the Middle East. The result here the rise of
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: one nation. The results in Britain something even more amazing.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: There's amazing rise of one nation in the polls, won't
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: surprise people have seen something similar in other Western countries
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: which also wouldn't crack down a mass immigration or illegal immigration.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: In some cases wouldn't take their own border series. You
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: saw the rise of Donald Trump on a promise to
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: end the legal immigrants flooding Americas border. You've seen the
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: rise of anti immigration parties in Germany and Holland for instance,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: and in Britain. The astonishing lead that Nigel Farraj is
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: having an anti immigration man with his Reform Party is
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: such a juggernaut. In fact, the head of Labor and
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: the Conservatives in the polls that two Conservative politis should
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: have done a Barnaby Joyce and affected since Reform Party.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: In the past few days Shadow of Justice Secretary John
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Jenrick and now Andrew Rosendel, who was one of the Conservatives'
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Foreign Office front benches. I was joined from London a
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: short while ago by talk TV presenter Samara Gill, who'll
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: be a regularly this year on The Bolt Report. Samara Gill, what.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: A pleasure to see you again?
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Is Najera farrag really likely now to be the next
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister of Britain.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: And why is that?
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: Andrew? I think he definitely will be the next Prime
• 41:59
  Speaker 8: Minister of Bretas. But I feel like this moment isn't
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: really about Nigel Farage at all. It's kind of about
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: the collapse of a clear political messaging from the center right.
• 42:11
  Speaker 8: So in Britain, the Conservatives they didn't just lose voters,
• 42:15
  Speaker 8: they lost meaning and they tried to be softer than
• 42:18
  Speaker 8: labor on stuff like immigration. They were sort of greener
• 42:21
  Speaker 8: than the Greens on climate, and they clearly were more
• 42:24
  Speaker 8: progressive than progressives on culture. So you know, in doing so,
• 42:27
  Speaker 8: they really did stop offering a clear initiative to the left.
• 42:31
  Speaker 8: But I feel like we've got the same problem in Australia.
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: It's very visible with the Liberals. You know, voters can't
• 42:37
  Speaker 8: tell what they stand for. They sort of assume that
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: you stand for nothing, and conservatism kind of dies when,
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: you know, the argument loses. I mean, I feel like
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: this vacuum is now being filled by this new brand
• 42:49
  Speaker 8: of conservative conservatism that's less managerial, it's kind of less technocratic,
• 42:54
  Speaker 8: it's far more direct, and it kind of speaks plain
• 42:58
  Speaker 8: language to its voters, orders, national cohesion, free speech, law
• 43:03
  Speaker 8: and order, and it doesn't come with those nervous disclaimers
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: that used to come with those topics. So I feel
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: like Barage absolutely represents that shift in the Western world,
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: just alongside Trump, because look, not everyone agrees with him
• 43:18
  Speaker 8: and not everyone has to, but the voters do know
• 43:21
  Speaker 8: what he believes, and we have obviously seen that shift
• 43:25
  Speaker 8: in America. That's always about five years in front.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Absolutely correct.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: And you know, I don't know why the Conservative parties
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: didn't tap into poll after poll for years saying people
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: are unhappy with immigration, thinking oh, well, you know, they've
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: got no option but to vote for us, so we
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: can turn a blind eye to it. No, they do
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: now have an option. The panic in the labor government
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: there is just amazing. I couldn't believe the Prime Minister
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: in Britain has now delayed elections in mostly labor held councils.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: To know, nearly four million Britons a vote now is
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: just what it's being called in a tech on democracy.
• 44:06
  Speaker 8: It's democracy denial for sure. I mean, I feel like
• 44:09
  Speaker 8: governments that are public of sort of confident of public support,
• 44:13
  Speaker 8: they don't just cancel elections. I feel like this is
• 44:16
  Speaker 8: a government that fears its voters and this isn't the
• 44:19
  Speaker 8: first time it's done, and it's done this on multiple
• 44:21
  Speaker 8: different occasions, but this is the biggest yet. And you know,
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: this insisting that it's about reorganization and efficiency sort of
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: Orwellian style, changing the wording around why exactly they're stopping
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: these elections. But these elections are in areas where refom
• 44:38
  Speaker 8: UK Nigel Farage's party is polling extremely strongly and would
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: overtake majority of those seats. I mean, even Douglas Murray
• 44:46
  Speaker 8: is sort of recently warned that Western democracies are drifting
• 44:50
  Speaker 8: into sort of this procedural authoritarianism, and it seems like
• 44:55
  Speaker 8: everything looks really democratic on paper, but the public has
• 44:58
  Speaker 8: been very quietly managed into meaningful choice. So I do
• 45:02
  Speaker 8: think that this delaying of the elections does confirm the
• 45:05
  Speaker 8: suspicions that there should be no trust in the labor government. Genuinely,
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: I think Kirs Darma is gaslighting the public and people
• 45:15
  Speaker 8: aren't putting up with it. But unfortunately, you know, democracy
• 45:20
  Speaker 8: delayed as democracy.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Denied, absolutely true, and I think we're seeing now really
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: underlined a collapse in trust in the political class generally,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: which includes quite a bit of the media class as well. Really, now,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: the reason you couldn't do this interview live, Samara is
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: that you have to go and interview Primu Sekia Starma
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: at exactly the time.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: This show's on air. Now.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: The reason for that is, as our report earlier in
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: the show, Donald Trump is threatening Britain with more tariffs
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: if it doesn't agree to let the US take Greenland
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: from den How big a deal is this for Britain.
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: Well, first of all, I'm much sort of preferred to
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: be on this show than being anywhere within sort of
• 46:10
  Speaker 8: distance of Kirs Starmer. So this is just me being
• 46:13
  Speaker 8: forced to go there. I mean that man really is
• 46:16
  Speaker 8: an issue for Britain and it's just a robot. I
• 46:19
  Speaker 8: mean there's no charisma there. But in terms of Greenland,
• 46:22
  Speaker 8: I mean, this isn't some sort of joke or headline.
• 46:25
  Speaker 8: Is this is sort of Britain really crossing America and
• 46:31
  Speaker 8: that allegiance being absolutely torn to shreds. I mean, we
• 46:34
  Speaker 8: sent one soldier out there. I think Donald Trump literally
• 46:39
  Speaker 8: two boots on the ground, and that has really betrayed
• 46:43
  Speaker 8: Donald Trump's confidence. I feel like he understands geo politics
• 46:47
  Speaker 8: in a very blunt and sort of transactional way, and
• 46:50
  Speaker 8: the problem for Britain is that Starma's government has weakened
• 46:53
  Speaker 8: its leverage on every front. I mean, Starmer's very sort
• 46:56
  Speaker 8: of similar to Albanizi, where he sucks up to Trump.
• 46:59
  Speaker 8: You know, he wants this public friendship, but behind the
• 47:02
  Speaker 8: scenes he's completely swiveled eyed about the man and just
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: wants to absolutely jeopardize that relationship. I mean, I do
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: think we're sort of waking up to this new world
• 47:12
  Speaker 8: order where Britain, America, and the and Australia are not
• 47:19
  Speaker 8: in allegiance with each other. I mean, Albanesi hasn't even
• 47:22
  Speaker 8: been mentioned during this whole situation. So I think with
• 47:26
  Speaker 8: masses at home, voters instinctively connect to weakness, and I
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: just think that we've got porous borders, we've got really
• 47:33
  Speaker 8: confused priorities, and we've got this governing class, as you say,
• 47:37
  Speaker 8: that seems to be absolutely unsure of what it believes.
• 47:39
  Speaker 8: So I think that people like Farage seem to be
• 47:43
  Speaker 8: the strong man that Britain will want within the next election,
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: because Starma is destroying everything that this country has been
• 47:50
  Speaker 8: built on.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the real story here is, Samara is
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: who is this single soldier that Britain has sent to
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: defend Greenland from Donald Trump?
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Because that must be one hell of a fighter.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: I've probably never seen the like that one sold you before,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: so I'm all a gog about who this titan is.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Samara gild thank you so much and I'll let you
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: get on to see Sakia Starma.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Pass on my kind regards. Well there.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Samara Gill's first interview on TV ever was on this show,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: which is Australian, when she was caught up in the
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: quarantine fiasco. It's amazing to see a kick on so far,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: so far, so quickly, great stuff. Good to have her
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: on regularly every Monday, up next to Cherry Marx and
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: hosted by rising star James McPherson who filled in once again,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: so brilliant for me while during the break, So keep
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: an eye on that man as well. What a career there.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: But for me, that's it for tonight. And let me
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: tell you again, the theme this year has got to
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: be stressing what unites us and going after the people
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: that refuse to speak up in the defense of Australia.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: The cowardice is really what's killing us. That's it from me,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: good night,