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169. Building a Resilient Family & The Power of Normalizing Emotions · The Rochelle Christiane Podcast

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  Rochelle: Welcome Emotional Mastery podcast.
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  Rochelle: I'm your host, Rochelle.
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  Rochelle: I'm a holistic, human design health coach, and this podcast is here to support you in your journey to understanding and regulating your emotions, to help you remember who you are, to ground into your knowing and to support you in all things spiritual, emotional and health mind, body and soul.
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  Rochelle: I bring some amazing guests to share their story with you, and my goal is to have conversations that are supportive of wherever you find yourself in your journey.
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  Rochelle: I thank you so much for being here.
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  Rochelle: This podcast started as a space to just share my voice and over the years, it has become so much more.
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  Rochelle: Thank you so much for being here and thank you for your support.
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  Rochelle: Now enjoy the show.
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  Rochelle: Welcome back to another episode of the emotional mastery podcast.
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  Rochelle: This week, I'm talking to Christelle Pilot, who is a founder of Freedom Catcher Academy.
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  Rochelle: Her specialty is potential analysis, career optimization and team building in the home, at home.
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  Rochelle: Since 2015, christelle has been teaching dozens of women, companies, schools and executives.
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  Rochelle: Christelle owns a chemical engineering master's degree and is certified as a coach and trainer with a specialty in emotional intelligence, and Christelle speaks English, french and German.
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  Rochelle: She is a driven, result oriented and has a dynamic business mind, helping her clients to create a balanced and effective life rhythm, to clarify their life purpose and to make massive actions to build a meaningful and profitable career.
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  Rochelle: She quickly assesses professional and personal situations and always finds creative win-win solutions.
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  Rochelle: Working with her is a treat because she makes sure her clients get the results they are after, and this was a really great conversation.
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  Rochelle: I was originally drawn to Christelle because of her expat experience.
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  Rochelle: She is French, but she is living in Germany.
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  Rochelle: I believe she has lived there for 20 years, she said, and I personally grew up internationally and I was a child, so I feel like children are definitely very resilient.
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  Rochelle: But I watched my mom experience culture shock the first year or so that we were there and I didn't necessarily understand all the depth of that what she was experiencing at the time, because I was a child and I was just adapting to a new school and meeting new friends and, of course, when you're a kid, you're in your own world.
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  Rochelle: But it was really interesting to have this conversation.
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  Rochelle: We really touched a lot about building resiliency in the family.
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  Rochelle: So this is a lot about parenting dynamics how to help children normalize their emotions and be resilient and be able to function as a whole and as individuals.
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  Rochelle: She talks about when she travels.
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  Rochelle: Her husband takes care of the kids and the family functions.
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  Rochelle: When he travels, she takes care of the kids and the family functions, and when they're both unable to, the kids know how to function on their own.
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  Rochelle: But this transcends just the family dynamics.
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  Rochelle: You can use this in business, you can use this in friendships, you can use this with your family, and I think the conversation around normalizing emotions is so important because, as I've been navigating I mean my entire life I've been navigating emotions, but even more so recently, navigating the intensity and dynamics and beauty that is our emotional world.
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  Rochelle: I'm reading the book the Convoluted Universe, and in that it's literally talks about how Earth was designed to be the most beautiful planet in the universe and it is and also it was designed to be a place where people, souls, entities, beings whatever you want to call it, energy could come here and experience emotions and pleasure, because it's not something that every being in the universe is experiencing.
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  Rochelle: And so, from a spiritual perspective, our souls chose to come here at this particular time, in these particular bodies, right To experience emotions, to experience the human experience, which includes emotions.
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  Rochelle: And so when we're not normalizing emotions, when we are shaming people for feeling emotions, when we're labeling them as good or bad or you can experience this but you can't experience that we're doing ourselves a disservice.
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  Rochelle: And I think it is definitely a conversation that is being had more and more and more.
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  Rochelle: And I know I've talked about on here my son is a Scorpio rising and Mars and Scorpio, and so he's full of emotions.
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  Rochelle: He's also got a stellium in the eighth house, which is ruled by Scorpio, and so he's incredibly emotional, and he's got an undefined solar plexus in human design, so he also is emotional and intensifies the energetics of emotions right the emotional way from others.
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  Rochelle: And so having those conversations at home and not just with him, with my daughter as well she is very emotional as well, although she guards it a little bit more and from childhood experiences and the way that she perceives emotions and the lack of those conversations from that zero to seven age that we didn't have at that point because I personally wasn't on my journey then and I was still in my own shame around my own emotions.
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  Rochelle: But as a family we're starting to have these conversations around emotions and things being okay, and whatever you feel is okay, is really powerful within the home.
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  Rochelle: And so my son specifically, he went on vacation over the summer with his grandparents and so he I guess his grandfather is my ex-father-in-law he had a moment where I guess they were at the beach and he was trying to get a snack and I guess it was like underneath everything and I don't know what happened, but he like freaked out, he got like real angry and so they were here, he flew and dropped the kids off and so they were sitting on the couch here and I was watching, was watching this dynamic play out and I was actually really proud of my son.
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  Rochelle: But he was like Grampy, why were you so aggressive that day on the beach?
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  Rochelle: I was like watching it.
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  Rochelle: I just got curious what the conversation was going to be.
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  Rochelle: And he responded to my son and he was you know, christian, not everyone's perfect.
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  Rochelle: He was like I was really tired, I was having a bad day, he goes I packed the snacks on the bottom, I had put everything on top, and he goes.
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  Rochelle: I didn't respond in the best way possible.
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  Rochelle: He was like but I was having an emotional moment and my son was like okay, that makes sense, but the fact that he asked that question and didn't just take that angry outburst to be like the way it was right.
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  Rochelle: The fact that he was curious and wondering why he responded in that way to me was just like such a beautiful moment to see the seven year old have this conversation with his grandfather, you know, and so that's the purpose of it, right?
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  Rochelle: I think when we're coming with to our emotions with this air of curiosity, right, not necessarily taking the norm, I'm air quoting, like in standard of how we should feel or how we shouldn't feel, and just allowing the range of things because there is no right and wrong emotion.
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  Rochelle: And that was actually the first thing that I learned in therapy, because for me I've always been really fearful of anger.
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  Rochelle: That's been the one emotion that's been really difficult for me to like normalize.
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  Rochelle: I guess in my own life and it was my therapist said that anger in and of itself is not good or bad, right, it's not wrong or right, it is an emotion.
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  Rochelle: Anger is a really beautiful, necessary emotion to have, but often it's the way that we express it right, it's the way that we are taught to deal with it, that the expression of that is what we label as good or bad, right.
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  Rochelle: And so how are you witnessing your emotions, how are you moving through your emotions, how are you experiencing your emotions, how are you expressing?
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  Rochelle: And I think that's just a huge conversation piece.
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  Rochelle: And so in this conversation, christelle and I really dig into what that means to build an emotionally resilient family, how we can normalize our emotions, how we can self-regulate our emotions right, especially as a busy parent, when you have a career and you have kids and you have responsibilities and obligations and things like that.
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  Rochelle: Like how do you have a bad day and make that okay within your home?
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  Rochelle: How do you normalize that?
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  Rochelle: And I think this was a really, really beautiful conversation.
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  Rochelle: And so, if you do have a family, if you are wanting to build a family, or if you just wanted to change the dynamics between your parents or your friendships or anything, I think this conversation is really potent and really powerful for those conversations because, again, being emotionally resilient, being emotionally intelligent, is really is a strength, and it's one that a lot of us are now navigating, because I think it's something that's coming up more and more, and especially as the collective energy changes.
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  Rochelle: You know, again, if you're here and you're listening to it, I'm assuming you're on the woo side of things with me and it's just, you're likely highly sensitive, you're likely empathic and you're likely feeling what the collective is experiencing.
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  Rochelle: And I know I've learned to discern that sometimes that's what I'm experiencing, what I'm feeling isn't mine, right.
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  Rochelle: And so having those like tools and having those checklists in your mind of like, okay, did I drink enough water today?
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  Rochelle: Did I move my body, did I meditate, did I find stillness, did I do all the things that I know support me in my emotional regulation, and then, if you have still done all those things, you're still feeling a little bit off, still feeling a little funky energy, right, like, sometimes that's not even yours, right, something it's.
• 8:56
  Rochelle: Sometimes it's something you picked up, especially knowing your human design.
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  Rochelle: Right, do you have a defined solar plexus or do you have an undefined solar plexus?
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  Rochelle: So if you have an undefined solar plexus and you're feeling a little funky, whose energy are you amplifying?
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  Rochelle: Right, it might not be yours.
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  Rochelle: And so all these things, like put together, really help support us in understanding our emotions.
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  Rochelle: So I thought this was a really beautiful conversation.
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• 9:51
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  Rochelle: And, as always, I thank you so much for being here, wherever you are and whatever, whatever, whatever part of the day you are, including me.
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  Rochelle: I will talk to you next week.
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  Rochelle: Welcome to the Emotional Mastery Podcast.
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  Rochelle: Today I have Kristal Pilot, who is a career optimization coach and the founder of Freedom Ketchum Academy.
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  Rochelle: I'm really excited to have this conversation because I actually grew up as an expat and so I've sort of had a little bit of the reverse of what you've experienced.
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  Rochelle: For me, coming back to America nine years ago, I had massive culture shock because I was so used to being overseas.
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  Rochelle: So I think this is a will be a really interesting conversation to sort of see both perspectives of it, because that's definitely what drew me into this story, you know, is the expat piece, because I resonate so strongly with that.
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  Rochelle: But I'm going to give you the floor and just let you introduce yourself.
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  Rochelle: Sort of anything pivot along the way, your journey and how you got to what you're doing today.
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  Christelle: Oh, wow.
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  Christelle: There's a lot to say.
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  Christelle: Thank you very much for having me with you today.
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  Christelle: Yes, so where to start?
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  Christelle: So I think I can start with the fact that I'm French, because we can hear that with my name and with my accent as well.
• 12:17
  Christelle: But maybe you can hear like a touch of German, because there is so many people telling me that when I speak English so they can hear the French accent but as well the German accent into it, because I have been living in Germany for 20 years now.
• 12:32
  Christelle: So I'm not going to say that Germany is my well, germany is my second country.
• 12:41
  Christelle: I can say that.
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  Christelle: So my husband is German.
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  Christelle: We have three kids together, three boys, and they are between nine and 13.
• 12:54
  Christelle: And right now I am in a hip hop, street dance competition, european competition, with one of my boys.
• 13:04
  Christelle: I just do like a break to speak with you, but then I'm going to go over there again and then to hip hop.
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  Christelle: So there is a lot of energy here around.
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  Christelle: So it's just crazy to see these kids really like leaving their passion and putting a lot of effort into that.
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  Christelle: And it's really related as well with Freedom Catcher Academy and with the job that I'm doing now, because I help mostly women to find their passion.
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  Christelle: I am really passionate about passion and there is a story behind that, but really so what I love is to discover the purpose of a person, to go through the journey with the person because it's really a journey and to really discover.
• 14:01
  Christelle: Ok, oh yeah, if I do that, I really am feeling alive and I feel the energy coming back.
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  Christelle: And then we go through the process with the person and then we discover the uniqueness of the person.
• 14:17
  Christelle: I love doing that.
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  Christelle: So really like to see the diamonds and then to let the person see it, because usually it's easy for us to see the strength and the quality of other person, but to let them see it is just amazing.
• 14:35
  Christelle: So what I do with the Freedom Catcher Academy, it's really helping women to see the diamond, to see the purpose and to build a career around it.
• 14:47
  Christelle: And another part that what I do is that usually so to have a nice career or to have a purpose, it's great.
• 14:59
  Christelle: But if the private part is not working properly we spoke about children just before so if harmony at home is not there, if every time you go back home and you feel like, oh my god, after five minutes I'm so drained I need to go out.
• 15:17
  Christelle: So it's not freedom, it doesn't feel like that.
• 15:21
  Christelle: So what I'm doing as well with some of my clients not all of them, but some of them would really need that is that we build a team at home.
• 15:32
  Christelle: So we do everything in order for the person to feel good at home, to have the right relationship with the children, with the partner and, as well, to be sure that she has the right level of energy.
• 15:48
  Christelle: So to simplify the life and to what she's believed that is important or is fun or makes sense, and everything which is not important doesn't make sense, then we just try to delegate or to delete it.
• 16:07
  Christelle: So it's mostly what I do really letting them have this purpose, finding the way to go there and having this harmony at home and feel just great about life.
• 16:21
  Rochelle: Yeah, I love that.
• 16:21
  Rochelle: I think that's so special to help people find that passion and purpose, because so often we're just, I feel like it can become so monotonous in our daily routine and we're just almost in this robotic state of having to go to work and then come home and do the kids, and so being able to find that little spark that lights you up and expand on that, I think, is so beautiful.
• 16:42
  Rochelle: And then, of course, the coming home piece.
• 16:44
  Rochelle: As I've built my own business too, I use my kids as a mirror.
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  Rochelle: So it's like when I'm frustrated here or I'm like, no, I have to do this work, you guys just go like whatever and then take a pause, and if I'm not fulfilled there, I can't translate it into my business either.
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  Rochelle: So yeah.
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  Rochelle: How do you support them in that process?
• 17:10
  Christelle: So for building a team at home, so it's how I call it.
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  Christelle: So it's really like having a resilient family and building a team at home, a functioning family.
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  Christelle: So we have three parts.
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  Christelle: One part is all about what kind of value I want to put in my family, because we are all different.
• 17:31
  Christelle: We are all different kind of values.
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  Christelle: So what kind of values are important?
• 17:36
  Christelle: Yeah, a code for the family, it's OK.
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  Christelle: We in this family, it's important to have that and that and that.
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  Christelle: So that's the first part.
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  Christelle: And then we look at with the parents.
• 17:49
  Christelle: I really look more with the parents, or even the adults feel safe in the environment they are.
• 17:57
  Rochelle: Right, interrupt you.
• 17:58
  Rochelle: It froze a couple of times so I missed like some chunks of what you were saying.
• 18:02
  Rochelle: Yeah, I don't think you could hear me because I was like it froze.
• 18:06
  Rochelle: Yeah, I heard the first part about the values and things like that, and then it came back just for a second and then it split off again.
• 18:15
  Christelle: Sure.
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  Christelle: So, yeah, the values is about the values that are important for you, the kind of value you want to really teach your children, or the kind of values that you want to live most.
• 18:26
  Christelle: But it's not all about you only, it's about the family.
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  Christelle: So you have to think about the values of your partner and if the children are old enough, like seven, eight, nine or more, so they have already think.
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  Christelle: So some thought around it and then you can include them.
• 18:47
  Christelle: So I know that for my children it was kindness, it was love, it was respect, it was a nice communication.
• 18:55
  Christelle: So in my home, in my home, harmony or communication, so non-biome communication, is very, very important.
• 19:01
  Christelle: But then we have like kind of excellence as well, because I was in junior before my husband as a PhD as well.
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  Christelle: So we want to to tell them that when you do things you have to do them properly.
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  Christelle: And then I have something in my family.
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  Christelle: It's something like, well, we are a team, so we help the order of the family.
• 19:28
  Christelle: So sometimes one of my sentences what did you do today to have the family?
• 19:32
  Christelle: And and I really love that so my, my last one, so my nine years old, okay, no, I'm always going to To take care of the dish after, after lunch or after dinner.
• 19:48
  Christelle: So it's my part.
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  Christelle: In this way I can serve the family and I I tried before to tell him to do that and he was no, no, no, no, no.
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  Christelle: But now it's okay.
• 19:58
  Christelle: What do you do to serve the family?
• 19:59
  Christelle: What is your one part?
• 20:01
  Christelle: And then it just came up with the idea.
• 20:03
  Christelle: So, and they love to have the impression that they have enough power To support as well the family, even if they are little, even if they are five, six, seven or nine years old.
• 20:17
  Christelle: So that is for the values.
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  Christelle: And then it's really like a code of honor or so like how we behave in our family, and then it's easier to, yeah, just drive the family in this direction.
• 20:31
  Christelle: And when it's not working, so it's easier to just say Well, look, so we have that in the family, we all agreed with that, what happened?
• 20:40
  Christelle: And then it's just easy to open the conversation around it.
• 20:44
  Christelle: So that is for the code of family or the code of honor, whatever you want to call it.
• 20:50
  Rochelle: Mm-hmm.
• 20:51
  Christelle: That the first part.
• 20:51
  Christelle: The second part is very, very important as well.
• 20:54
  Christelle: It's about stability and what I said is that there is like three different parts, very important stability.
• 21:00
  Christelle: Parts one is the financial one, and that is In all team that you want to create, not only at home but at work as well, exactly the same.
• 21:09
  Christelle: So the financial part.
• 21:11
  Christelle: So you have to feed your family, so that's important, so that has to be stable.
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  Christelle: The second one is the social part.
• 21:18
  Christelle: So they have to feel Save where they are, so in like, for the children it's at school and at home and and just in the small environment that they have.
• 21:28
  Christelle: So small children have a very small environment and older children are so slowly a bigger environment, like the city or, when they're grown up, like the world or whatever.
• 21:41
  Christelle: So that is the the social stability.
• 21:46
  Christelle: And then there is the emotional stability.
• 21:48
  Christelle: So I work a lot on the emotional part.
• 21:50
  Christelle: Children have to feel safe.
• 21:54
  Christelle: So adults have to be very emotional stable in order to give this, that stability to the children.
• 21:59
  Christelle: But as well we have to to give like kind of free, like A frame for them to understand that there is some rules but on the same time, kind of freedom to understand them, why we have the frame and to to to grow as well, to to experiment a bit, to to feel Different kind of emotion, but in a kind of safe environment again, in order for them to grow and to be more.
• 22:27
  Christelle: Yeah to to be more so strong or more resilient.
• 22:34
  Christelle: And the last part, it's all about flexibility, but because so a family and again in the team at work is the same, so it has to be resilient.
• 22:44
  Christelle: It's always moving right, so we always have some kind of trouble or or challenge or whatever.
• 22:53
  Christelle: So we do a lot and I know I do that in my family, but we have done a lot of families.
• 22:58
  Christelle: Now it's like leadership, leadership shift, or Like like I am being four days away, my husband take care of the two other at home, so we have three children.
• 23:11
  Christelle: So to at home I am away with one of my child.
• 23:14
  Christelle: Few years ago I have been like three months, three weeks, completely gone and my in Brazil and my husband Took the three children and just continue to to live without me during these three weeks, and it's fine.
• 23:29
  Christelle: He's able to do that.
• 23:31
  Christelle: So that means that without me, the family can function.
• 23:35
  Christelle: It's working.
• 23:36
  Christelle: Without him, the family works as well, so I can take care of the children without my husband.
• 23:42
  Christelle: It's working and then what we do is that, without us, we train our children to function as well.
• 23:48
  Christelle: So that means that they are very responsible, that's they are very open, they feel comfortable enough to go out of their comfort zone in order to go, maybe, on to the grocery very, very it's our young age and to buy things, or to stay alone very quickly or to cook dinner or lunch and so on.
• 24:12
  Christelle: So take responsibility of the family.
• 24:14
  Christelle: So that means that if I am sick or if my husband is sick or whatever, I know that they, they can manage things and and therefore that give us all more freedom Because they are very responsible.
• 24:30
  Christelle: Our work is to To to have this, this structure, and their work is to be good at school and to Take care of the, the small responsibilities that they have, and they do it and they feel strong with that.
• 24:47
  Rochelle: Yeah, is this something that can be implemented at any time, like, say, maybe during that beginning phases of life you know, the home life was a little bit chaotic, you know and then like, maybe mom and dad or now, or if it's a single mom or you know, now sort of starting to come into this Work and starting to grow themselves and their business, but yet you know there's sort of been a an unbalance of or just, I guess, a confusion of the messaging right, and so how do you then begin the structure and and and instilling these values and all these things?
• 25:15
  Christelle: That's a very, very, very good question.
• 25:17
  Christelle: I have to be honest, I have men coming to me Sometimes because they just get to get divorced and then now they are alone with the children from time to time and so they have to rebuild this kind of stability and they don't know how to start and indeed, so there is another kind of Message on the other parts with the mother.
• 25:38
  Christelle: So that is the kind of client that I have sometimes.
• 25:42
  Christelle: So Well, we work on the kind of the values that the children have On the other side and the kind of value that the children will have in this new home, and we don't judge, it's just to for the children.
• 25:59
  Christelle: So we discuss about that.
• 26:01
  Christelle: Yeah, okay, here, when you are at mom home, so it's like that, when you are at that store home, it is like that.
• 26:09
  Christelle: Maybe it's contrary, maybe you don't really understand that.
• 26:14
  Christelle: We can speak about that.
• 26:15
  Christelle: So we try to just explain, because Children they don't understand, they just feel bad.
• 26:21
  Christelle: So they just feel something is wrong.
• 26:25
  Christelle: I don't know how to do, I don't understand, but they cannot really put words.
• 26:29
  Christelle: So we help them to understand the situation.
• 26:32
  Christelle: So, okay, I understand now.
• 26:34
  Christelle: So you feel this way because at mom's place you can do that, and here you you cannot, and so on.
• 26:39
  Christelle: So we just put words on on the emotions and then we figure out ways to to deal with that and then we let them understand as well that it's a complicated situation and then they don't feel it's chaotic and if they don't feel good about that and it's normal, it's okay.
• 27:02
  Christelle: It's okay not to feel good and it's going to to To go away at some point, going to be easier, I, and then it's really like the emotional stability.
• 27:14
  Christelle: So we work a lot on that.
• 27:15
  Christelle: So, how to communicate with the children, how to Again, to eventually let them explain their emotion or to put words on their emotion.
• 27:27
  Christelle: If they are not Aware enough, conscious enough to put themselves, words on them and to better understand the kind of needs they have, and, if it's possible, so to give them what they need.
• 27:41
  Christelle: So you, they need more, more security, or more respect, or more love, or or more time, or more space, or so we can try to give them.
• 27:54
  Christelle: And Sometimes it's just not possible to give what they need right now because the situation make that it's complicated.
• 28:00
  Christelle: Then we can explain again.
• 28:02
  Christelle: I know you need that right now and I'm sorry, but right now it's complicated, but I know and I'm doing my best and that gives a little bit of okay.
• 28:14
  Christelle: So someone understand me, someone tries to take care of that and we are going to find a way.
• 28:22
  Christelle: So I found it's really really important.
• 28:26
  Christelle: So that's this emotional stability.
• 28:29
  Rochelle: Yeah, I was gonna say I feel like a lot of times just validating their emotions, right, even if you can't exactly, you know, take care of those needs like, right in this moment, just being like I, you know I understand how you feel, or, you know, just giving them the power of like to know that they're not wrong.
• 28:45
  Rochelle: Right, because, I think a lot of times when you're like oh, don't feel that, or you'll be fine, or whatever.
• 28:48
  Rochelle: It's just so invalidating to the child.
• 28:50
  Rochelle: Yes, or they're like oh I shouldn't be feeling this, I guess you know.
• 28:53
  Rochelle: So I definitely think that's, that's a really nice.
• 28:56
  Christelle: It's really, if the emotion is really really high, it's like really to create the space to, to, to take the emotion into.
• 29:04
  Christelle: Okay, I am with you, I understand you, you don't really need to find solution, but that the fact that they are, that they feel understood, is like Okay and indeed.
• 29:16
  Christelle: And then to say I understand and you know what, that's normal.
• 29:21
  Christelle: You are not a weirdo or whatever.
• 29:24
  Christelle: It's just normal.
• 29:25
  Christelle: So usually when something like that happened, people react like that.
• 29:30
  Christelle: You react like that.
• 29:31
  Christelle: That's normal.
• 29:32
  Christelle: It's not nice, I don't say it's easy, but it's normal.
• 29:38
  Rochelle: How do you see I mentioned before you know about the parents having emotional stability to then provide that for the family right, because of course kids mimic more what they see than what they hear but say you are a parent, maybe you're getting divorced or you're just going through like a really difficult time?
• 29:51
  Rochelle: Like, how do you recommend or suggest or support, you know what women or men in going through emotional chaos or turbulence you know and how they can Show the child that it's okay to feel those things while also kind of keeping that container of stability while they're going through it?
• 30:08
  Christelle: Yeah, that's a good question.
• 30:09
  Christelle: So I I don't believe that it's good to play or to fail.
• 30:16
  Christelle: So it's depending as well, depending of the children that we have.
• 30:22
  Christelle: But so Usually children can feel things and there is this high sensitivity If children, and they can even really feel if you, so they are able to feel.
• 30:38
  Christelle: So I am not a fan of faking or because then when they feel it and it's not, they have, they have the feeling that they have done something wrong and so they have to change something.
• 30:54
  Christelle: So they are taking the responsibility of the situation, which is not what we want.
• 30:58
  Christelle: So I am really a fan of telling them, not in details, but just telling them.
• 31:07
  Christelle: Okay, you know what it's difficult situation right now for me, and therefore that's why sometimes maybe I'm not going to react the way I would like to react, or I'm going to be a little bit more, maybe aggressive, or maybe you will see me sometime cry, or.
• 31:26
  Christelle: But everything's going to be fine.
• 31:29
  Christelle: So again, so to try to to reinforce that, so I know that.
• 31:34
  Christelle: So again, it's always depending of of the age of the children, but what I always have done is I try to explain Then with different kind of words.
• 31:44
  Christelle: So, right now.
• 31:45
  Christelle: So I do.
• 31:47
  Christelle: I'm stressed management for a lot of person and I just told my, my, my, my child, so 13 years old, you know.
• 31:56
  Christelle: So when you are stressed out, so usually so we are more in the amygdala is activated and so you are more in the mode fly or fight or Therefore, sometimes when I'm stressed out maybe you have seen that but I react not so nicely and I tell that my, my children usually.
• 32:18
  Christelle: So I tell them sometimes you know I am tired, so it's not the day to push me.
• 32:24
  Christelle: So I try to prevent them to, to prevent the moment.
• 32:29
  Christelle: And if they push me they are not surprised.
• 32:32
  Christelle: It's not really because of them or just a part of it, but the other part is just because it's not the right day.
• 32:40
  Christelle: I have no passions and and I told my, my child and you have seen so, when I am stressed out or tired, so with With your dad and I can be really more aggressive so the children, eventually I can control me a little bit, but with my husband a little bit less.
• 33:01
  Christelle: And he told me, yes, I have seen that and I say yeah, and it has nothing to do with the image, it's really all with me and so, and sometimes we see like in the competition.
• 33:13
  Christelle: So today we had a lot of small drum dramas because the children, they are very stressed out with this Europe, europe competition.
• 33:20
  Christelle: They are going to go to the world competition.
• 33:23
  Christelle: So they are like, oh my god.
• 33:24
  Christelle: So it's the lot of emotions, a lot of energy.
• 33:27
  Christelle: And then I told him, yeah, but don't take that personally, it's really, it's because this person is stressed out, so it's going to be fine, and maybe in one or two days she is going to come back and to tell you that she was a little bit stressed and she's sorry.
• 33:45
  Christelle: And so for the family it's the same.
• 33:48
  Christelle: So it's trying to explain the children.
• 33:51
  Christelle: It's a complicated situation, maybe sometime going to actually this way and this way.
• 33:57
  Christelle: It has nothing to do with you and that's life.
• 34:00
  Christelle: Yeah, and it's going to be different in a few months, but right now it's how it is.
• 34:07
  Rochelle: Yeah, that's what I've always tried to teach my children is that, you know, even at school people, I'm like the way people are towards you.
• 34:14
  Rochelle: You can look at it as sort of a mirror and that's more reflection of what they have going on inside than you.
• 34:18
  Rochelle: Of course, as a child, if you're getting bolded, bullied at school, it's very difficult to not take that personally.
• 34:23
  Rochelle: But I think it sort of gives them maybe even just even if it's a moment of the curiosity of like what if this isn't about me, you know?
• 34:29
  Rochelle: And so I think that's, you know, that's powerful in itself, just to be able to come back to themselves and maybe just have that reflection.
• 34:35
  Rochelle: And I always, you know, when they come to me and speak about things that happen, I always sort of reflect that back, because even with them, you know, they, they my daughter is almost 13, my son is almost seven, so that big age gap, they just fight all the time.
• 34:46
  Rochelle: Yeah, they're just like not about it.
• 34:48
  Rochelle: And so I'm always trying to add, I can hear like their complaints about themselves within their fights with each other.
• 34:54
  Rochelle: Right, yes, and so it's just, it's interesting, I'd be curious, oh continue.
• 35:00
  Christelle: No, well, I just wanted to say that I really believe that we can do that at all all ages.
• 35:07
  Christelle: So, as one of my son was three years old, I had a miscarriage and I came back home and the child asked me, how is doing the baby?
• 35:20
  Christelle: And I just started to cry and and then I explained and I explained is okay, so there is no baby.
• 35:26
  Christelle: But you know, that's no baby, no baby anymore, but that's normal, that's life, it's okay.
• 35:31
  Christelle: I'm going to be eventually sad during few weeks and maybe you are going to see me cry, but it's okay, it's really okay, and sadness is okay as well.
• 35:41
  Christelle: So I always tell him that it's fine and I don't know.
• 35:47
  Christelle: So I know that my children, they like this transparency and then they are very transparent with their own emotion as well, because I share mine.
• 35:55
  Christelle: So it's easier for them to share their own emotions and sometimes so I have like my.
• 36:02
  Christelle: My biggest son is very open, very, very like he's.
• 36:08
  Christelle: It's really easy for him to speak about his emotions and so on.
• 36:10
  Christelle: My second son is the contrary, so really close, and it's difficult for him to speak about it, but even he is doing it so when he has a problem.
• 36:21
  Christelle: So then he comes to me and say, okay, mama, can we talk?
• 36:23
  Christelle: And and then say, okay, let's shoot it out.
• 36:28
  Christelle: And then explain okay, it's normal, it's okay.
• 36:32
  Christelle: And then I ask him questions, and then and he finds his ways and then he's gone, yeah.
• 36:39
  Rochelle: Yeah, I love that, the power of just normalizing emotions.
• 36:41
  Rochelle: You know, I'm my I'm.
• 36:43
  Rochelle: You know my kids have seen me cry before.
• 36:44
  Rochelle: I mean, one time my son walked in and I was just like sobbing right and he was just like startled, but we had that conversation, is like what happened, and I'm like I was just really sad and that's okay.
• 36:53
  Rochelle: You know, it's not an everyday thing, but you know the fact that he saw it, I wasn't like Get out and you know what I mean, because I think sometimes that can be normal for our own things.
• 37:01
  Rochelle: And so you know, my son is a little bit more emotional.
• 37:04
  Rochelle: My daughter, she's emotional, but same thing, she's gotten older and she doesn't really showed as much, but just the willingness to come to me and have those conversations when they're feeling, where they're crying.
• 37:14
  Rochelle: I work a lot with astrology.
• 37:15
  Rochelle: I'm not, you know if you're familiar with that, but I just think it's so beautiful because it's always like reflected to me, I feel like in people's charts.
• 37:21
  Rochelle: And so you know, having my kids charts and understanding certain aspects of it, I just I don't know just this little piece, but I think it's.
• 37:27
  Rochelle: It's so interesting, nice, I'd be curious.
• 37:31
  Rochelle: So for me, I was born in the US and then we moved to Montreal and then we moved to Dubai.
• 37:37
  Rochelle: And that jump to Dubai was very big for my mom.
• 37:40
  Rochelle: She had never really been outside of the US and sort of tied into what we're talking about with emotions I know.
• 37:45
  Rochelle: Like now in hindsight I know that that was so challenging for her.
• 37:49
  Rochelle: She almost left.
• 37:50
  Rochelle: She almost like pack this up.
• 37:51
  Rochelle: It was just like such a big change for her.
• 37:53
  Rochelle: We never really saw that side of it at the time because we were, you know, adjusting to new schools and friends and all sorts of things, yeah.
• 37:59
  Rochelle: So I think like she definitely made that transition in the best way for us to not see her like so upset and all on all that sort of stuff.
• 38:07
  Rochelle: But how do you recommend, you know, if you are making such a big jump like that, to like sort of, you know, like finding your passion and in finding your new flow in a place like that, when you're like like culture shock, you know, completely different space, that's that's.
• 38:23
  Christelle: That is a good amount of my clients, because I have a lot of clients coming from like being in Germany but coming from everywhere or being somewhere else, and I found it difficult for, yeah, when, when you are in a new country, you don't like this new country.
• 38:44
  Christelle: I know that there is a like.
• 38:46
  Christelle: I had a friend of mine.
• 38:48
  Christelle: She came from Dubai and in Germany and she thought I was going to be easy in Germany because your Germany is Europe.
• 38:55
  Christelle: And she she came from France originally.
• 38:58
  Christelle: So and Germany is not an easy, easy place for expat people and a lot of people thinking that well, they come from Asia and so on, it's going to be easy in Germany to to, to arrive because it's Europe.
• 39:14
  Christelle: In Germany you don't really have the same expat community in the country is a little bit cold at first and and so on.
• 39:22
  Christelle: So I have that a lot.
• 39:25
  Christelle: And the difficulty of the language, so, if you don't speak German, so what you do, and the difficulty of taking care of your children and going to work.
• 39:34
  Christelle: It's a little bit complicated in, more complicated in Germany that, for instance, in France.
• 39:39
  Christelle: So there is a lot of trouble there.
• 39:43
  Christelle: So what we do?
• 39:44
  Christelle: What we do is first of all to raise the level of energy of Of the person, because usually when people come to me the level of energy is kind of low because they don't like the country, because they had to adapt, because For some of the women indeed so when they come in a new country with the family, first of all they really have to take care of the family.
• 40:06
  Christelle: The husband usually it's still like that the husband has his new job.
• 40:11
  Christelle: It's difficult for him, he really have to work a lot to adapt as well, and so on.
• 40:16
  Christelle: So he has not a easy part neither.
• 40:18
  Christelle: So the woman is the one really stabilizing the family, which is not an easy part when you are an expat, because you have to take care of the children, the new school, the new rules or the things, the new culture, the new Language and so on.
• 40:34
  Christelle: So there is a lot of women.
• 40:36
  Christelle: It's really difficult for them to do that, even For for some of them that even didn't want to come in this new country, so they didn't want to come, and then they have to figure out so many things and to, to, to put their needs a little bit on the side.
• 40:54
  Christelle: So what we do is we go back to Raising the level of energy to indeed go back a little bit more in a positive flow, to reorganize again the family and to see if they can just have a little bit more of time, me time for them, and then start a project.
• 41:17
  Christelle: So a project can be a new career, can be a new business, can be Whatever they need in order to feel good.
• 41:23
  Christelle: And what is good right now it's that, with internet and so on, so we can work remotely.
• 41:32
  Christelle: So, or If you can speak another language than the language of the country you are in, you have some ways so you don't always have to speak the language of the country.
• 41:46
  Christelle: It's nicer, but at the beginning, so you can still find Works or jobs even if you don't speak the language of the country.
• 41:57
  Christelle: So we look at all this kind of possibilities and then they feel Okay, I am not trap anymore, I have ways to feel good again.
• 42:03
  Christelle: Even if I don't like the country, I can like some of the people in the country, or I can, I can go abroad with my computer and I can have a life even if I am not in the country that I love.
• 42:19
  Christelle: So, yeah, yeah, and that stability piece that you're talking about before I think is really important in this phase, I guess, of that transition being an expat.
• 42:31
  Christelle: Yeah, and the problem is that when we feel, when we feel, lost a little bit in our life and when so like we have a lot of, we are in this negative talk, everything is difficult.
• 42:43
  Christelle: I don't want that blah, blah, blah.
• 42:45
  Christelle: So it's like a very low energy and goes lower and lower and lower, and then every time we face a problem or issue, they are sure and we don't, we are not really into with this positive or so solution oriented mindset, and then we, when we are in the so the first thing is to change the mindset and to to be more positive, and then, when we are more positive, so we can then attract the right people and then attract the right opportunities, and then it's good.
• 43:25
  Christelle: Yeah, are there any specific tools that you use?
• 43:28
  Christelle: Because you know, I think it's one thing to be single, with no attachments, and how you can?
• 43:31
  Rochelle: You can give yourself the time you can lay in bed.
• 43:34
  Rochelle: But when you have a partner and kids and a job and it's like you don't actually have that time to just be like, okay, I need to process through this thing.
• 43:39
  Rochelle: Let me give myself three days to just like lay in bed and cry about it, right?
• 43:42
  Rochelle: So is there any like specific tools that you find really helpful to be able to sort of raise that vibration in that sense?
• 43:47
  Rochelle: I am a big, big fan of meditation.
• 43:50
  Rochelle: I had my first meditation as I was eight years old, so it's really something in my DNA.
• 43:53
  Rochelle: I don't know how to do without a meditation, so I know that for me, when I'm really in crisis, I go into meditation.
• 44:03
  Christelle: I don't need much time, I don't know how to do without a meditation.
• 44:12
  Christelle: So I know that for me, when I'm really in crisis, I go into meditation.
• 44:14
  Christelle: I don't need much time, I don't need to do that.
• 44:15
  Christelle: I go into meditation, I don't need much time.
• 44:18
  Christelle: In after five or 10 minutes, like the story I told you about the day, I came back home and I told my little boy, three years old, there is no baby anymore and I was crying.
• 44:28
  Christelle: So I told my husband I cannot speak right now, so just give me 20 minutes.
• 44:34
  Christelle: I went in meditation.
• 44:36
  Christelle: I just could somehow sort my emotion.
• 44:40
  Christelle: Then I came out and I was able to tell him okay, here's what's happening Now.
• 44:46
  Christelle: I need to go to the hospital tomorrow and to organize everything and so on.
• 44:52
  Christelle: So for me it's really one big way to just calm down and to face the big big emotions that I have in front of me and to change my mind sets.
• 45:04
  Christelle: But then there is a lot of.
• 45:05
  Christelle: I know that some people say I already tried meditation.
• 45:08
  Christelle: I don't like it, which I understand, but it's really powerful, so you really should try anyway.
• 45:15
  Christelle: But then there is this really like, very like positive talk?
• 45:21
  Christelle: So having them written on the paper and reading them, or call a friend, like I have two or three friends.
• 45:33
  Christelle: It happened that they are coach, which is really, really nice and then, when I feel stuck somehow, I just share a WhatsApp yeah, I don't feel good right now, that and that and that happened, and then, okay, I have a few minutes to do you want us to call, and then we discuss a little bit and then always find a way for me to raise my energy.
• 45:53
  Christelle: So to have a few friends who really can understand you, who can really not judge you and not always give you advices because advices they are nice, but it's not always what you need.
• 46:08
  Christelle: So people being able to listen and eventually being able to give you some good feedbacks or good advices if you need some, being able to meditate right down.
• 46:24
  Christelle: So journaling, that's really powerful as well.
• 46:26
  Christelle: Having an accountability partner if you have difficult things to do.
• 46:33
  Christelle: So it's what I do with my group.
• 46:35
  Christelle: So I do group coaching because I want people to connect and to see that I am not alone on this journey.
• 46:38
  Christelle: And then every two weeks we meet and they can discuss together every day if they want so, to have this power of the group and this momentum, and that gives energy.
• 46:49
  Christelle: And we are all in different situations but on the same time we see that we have all the kind of same problems.
• 46:57
  Christelle: So that would be the first things that I have in my mind.
• 47:03
  Christelle: Yeah, I love that.
• 47:08
  Christelle: I love group coaching.
• 47:09
  Rochelle: I just like love group containers, like you said, that momentum and being able to sort of like move through something together and I definitely that meditation piece.
• 47:16
  Rochelle: I started meditating, I think, when I was like 30, so like six years ago, and it's just been like such a huge piece to my daily practice now, like if I feel unstable or whatever.
• 47:26
  Rochelle: It's so easy to come back to that space.
• 47:28
  Rochelle: But a lot of people are like I can't stop thinking and I you know it's just so difficult, but they have a wrong image of what can be meditation.
• 47:38
  Christelle: So because every day they always heard that, yeah, it's stopping thinking, but it's wrong, it's not that.
• 47:44
  Christelle: And you can just try it, maybe not alone, maybe with the person and guiding you.
• 47:51
  Christelle: But I am used to.
• 47:55
  Christelle: I do meditation for children, for three years old to adults, so there is no limits then.
• 48:03
  Christelle: But it's a sport, so you cannot say, okay, I'm going to meditate one hour now if you never started again before.
• 48:12
  Christelle: So it's really like sport.
• 48:15
  Christelle: If you never played tennis before, you are not going to be good.
• 48:18
  Christelle: The first time you played tennis, exactly the same.
• 48:23
  Rochelle: Yeah, I always recommend people just to like experiment with all different types of like walking meditation, just playing on music or laying down, because I think there is one that will resonate with everyone and I think it.
• 48:33
  Rochelle: You know, for me in my own practice I don't do the same meditation every day.
• 48:36
  Rochelle: I just like I think I have the toolbox built and so it's like, okay, what do I need today?
• 48:40
  Rochelle: So just kind of like pulling in and seeing what that is.
• 48:44
  Christelle: Yeah, exactly, but I know that for me, for instance, I have done one, only one meditation during more than one year and every day, and that's really like changed something in my.
• 48:58
  Christelle: It was in.
• 49:00
  Christelle: I really wanted to get better with my anger.
• 49:04
  Christelle: I was very upset somehow, and during one year I worked on it and I have seen a huge difference.
• 49:15
  Christelle: And this morning I had a coffee in my car, so we were a little bit late with my son's and then I checked my coffee everywhere in the car away and then I told my son, it's okay, it's fine, so I'm going to do that later.
• 49:34
  Christelle: And I told him, oh, for a few years I would have been mad for me and all the circumstances or God or whatever, but I was fine.
• 49:45
  Christelle: Okay, it's okay.
• 49:46
  Christelle: No, no problem, yeah.
• 49:49
  Rochelle: And what was that meditation that you?
• 49:50
  Christelle: were doing.
• 49:51
  Christelle: It's not a meditation that we can find, so I really had like a very specific seminar on it, but it's a meditation about emotions and different emotions and different with chakras this one and really like trying to contract with this emotion and to let it go.
• 50:10
  Christelle: Contract and let it go.
• 50:11
  Christelle: It's a very intensive meditation, not very pleasant one.
• 50:16
  Christelle: It's not one because so many people ask me what is the difference between meditation and relaxation.
• 50:21
  Christelle: Well, with this meditation, we don't relax, really, because you are always so active with your thoughts and pushing the emotion away and so on.
• 50:30
  Christelle: Yeah, so I cannot really tell you what it is, but it's a very, very powerful one.
• 50:39
  Rochelle: Yeah, well, I think just the idea of like choosing what is taking with it for that amount of time will provide some results in some way, because that's I think sometimes that's part of meditation.
• 50:47
  Rochelle: Right, it is pushing through that discomfort, because, whether you're sitting for 10 minutes and you have an itch or you don't, your mind is like, okay, let's get up.
• 50:54
  Rochelle: Or you hear a noise from the other room, right, it's like just having that practice of continually coming to a space for whatever time.
• 50:59
  Rochelle: Yeah, so my last question then is okay, so let's say somebody, they've made the move, they've stabilized their families, they've aligned their values, they're working through all these things.
• 51:09
  Rochelle: Then how do they then go for?
• 51:12
  Rochelle: In an expat situation?
• 51:14
  Rochelle: They're then going for their dream job, like they're finding their purpose.
• 51:18
  Rochelle: They're finding their passion and then they're moving towards it.
• 51:21
  Christelle: Yeah, well, there I have.
• 51:24
  Christelle: I have like I have a three months program for that where we go really with the different steps.
• 51:31
  Christelle: So the first step is really to find your uniqueness.
• 51:34
  Christelle: So what's how different you are?
• 51:36
  Christelle: So I call it your unique selling point.
• 51:39
  Christelle: So, really, what are your experience, what are your skills, what are your strengths, which we usually don't know.
• 51:47
  Christelle: We know kind of about our skills and our experiences or what we put usually in the CV, but we usually don't really know about our strength.
• 51:57
  Christelle: And it's important work to know about them and to really empower them, embody them and to be to use them even more.
• 52:09
  Christelle: It's like really having a special weapon on us but we never use it because we don't know that we have it.
• 52:18
  Christelle: So it's a little bit of a pity.
• 52:18
  Christelle: So that's the first thing, so your USP, so knowing how different or unique you are.
• 52:26
  Christelle: Then we look at what you really want to put together.
• 52:30
  Christelle: So what kind of project?
• 52:32
  Christelle: So we look in different.
• 52:34
  Christelle: Sometimes I ask me to look at three different kind of projects that you could create.
• 52:39
  Christelle: Then we look at all what you like, a roadmap, what you would need to have, that's like all the resources that you would need time, energy, money and so on.
• 52:51
  Christelle: And then we look at your personal branding, so how to get seen, because it's good to know what you want to know, to do and to know your uniqueness.
• 53:04
  Christelle: But if nobody see it, then you have a problem.
• 53:09
  Christelle: So it's really like to accept to be seen and to go for it.
• 53:17
  Christelle: To negotiate as well, to like to have this.
• 53:20
  Christelle: What I call is like the effortless negotiation.
• 53:23
  Christelle: So because usually we think that in order to be good in negotiation, we have to be this, this powerful person, but maybe a little bit too brutal, and to not empath enough, stuff like that.
• 53:37
  Christelle: But there was a very nice way to be, to be good at negotiation and to have this win-win solutions and situations.
• 53:46
  Christelle: So we look at that.
• 53:48
  Christelle: So how to get what you want to get by being visible, by creating the opportunity, by connecting with the right person and by negotiating what you need to negotiate for what you need to do.
• 54:00
  Christelle: So that's the step that we do.
• 54:03
  Christelle: Usually we do that in three months.
• 54:05
  Christelle: It's kind of intensive, but it's.
• 54:07
  Christelle: You have the momentum again, so to have the energy and to go with that and we have very nice results in these three months.
• 54:17
  Rochelle: Yeah, and I think that's a powerful part, right, once you start seeing the results and your external being, you know, reflecting your internal, then it's just so easy to continue, like you said, with that momentum and like move off of that.
• 54:29
  Christelle: Yeah, and then to create the right support system, so to have you don't do that alone, you do that with other ladies.
• 54:35
  Christelle: So after that you can still use this support system, that idea, to recreate a community, and again to think, oh, I am not, I am not a weirdo, I am strange, I am what I think.
• 54:48
  Christelle: And so, like the expert life, there's so many people thinking, well, that's so cool to be expert and you do nothing, and you don't.
• 54:56
  Christelle: You are on the pool and you drink cocktails and so on.
• 54:59
  Christelle: So that's the typical cliche.
• 55:02
  Christelle: Well, it can be a little bit of that, but it's not only that and sometimes it's not that at all.
• 55:11
  Christelle: So so, yeah, and then, yeah, you can just again, so, taking your emotions, knowing that it's okay to feel whatever you feel, and then going with that, with the momentum, with other other person, with a supporting system, and then you find your way and that's stabilized the family.
• 55:37
  Rochelle: Yeah, it is absolutely beautiful what you do and helping people like that, you know in that way.
• 55:42
  Rochelle: I think it's so powerful.
• 55:42
  Rochelle: Do you primarily work with people in person or is it all online?
• 55:48
  Christelle: I do.
• 55:48
  Christelle: I do more online.
• 55:51
  Christelle: I have my clients are a little bit everywhere.
• 55:55
  Christelle: I have few clients in US.
• 55:58
  Christelle: I have most of them are in Europe, coming from different nationalities.
• 56:04
  Christelle: Some of them are in China China, for instance.
• 56:07
  Christelle: So usually I have them on Zoom only the one living in the same country, the same, the same city.
• 56:17
  Christelle: So I'm really, really happy to meet them.
• 56:19
  Christelle: And sometimes I have, like this contract in Frankfurt, in the city I'm living, with university or with schools and so on, so then I can see and meet them, but usually it's online.
• 56:33
  Rochelle: Okay, that's beautiful.
• 56:35
  Rochelle: Well, thank you so much for sharing all of this.
• 56:37
  Rochelle: I think it'll really be helpful for so many people, and if you want to let them know where they can find you as well, I'll have it in the show notes as well.
• 56:45
  Christelle: Okay, yeah, I have my website and my website is my name, so it's wwwcrystalpilocom, and crystal is T H R I S T E L L E pilot, or pillow is P I L L O T, and any of you can find me on Instagram as well and it's freedom catcher academy and that's the name.
• 57:17
  Christelle: And you can find me on LinkedIn as well, so I'm very, very present there and you can chat with me.
• 57:22
  Christelle: I'm always happy to connect with people wherever you are.
• 57:26
  Christelle: I'm really happy always to get connection, to get contact, and then we never know, but yeah, Thank you so much, grisale, thank you very much for having me with you.