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Can You Spell Shenis? with TS Madison · Dear Chelsea

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  Speaker 1: Okay, guys, here are my dates for the High and
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  Speaker 1: Mighty Tour.
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  Speaker 2: In June, I will be in Hyannas, Massachusetts, and then
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  Speaker 2: two shows in Nantucket. In August, you can find me
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  Speaker 2: in Red Bank, New Jersey, Montclair, New Jersey, and Calgary.
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  Speaker 1: That's Canada.
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  Speaker 2: And September I will be in Santa Barbara, San Diego,
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  Speaker 2: New York City, Philly, and New Haven, Connecticut. October is Atlanta, Baltimore, Saginaw, Michigan, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Boise, Idaho,
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  Speaker 2: and Spokane. And then in November I'll be in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: I'm coming to Salt Lake City, Austin, Houston, Dallas Babies,
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  Speaker 2: I'll be there. And then in December I am closing
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  Speaker 2: out my tour in Denver and Vancouver. So get your
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  Speaker 2: tickets at Chelseahandler dot com for the High and Mighty Tour.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Hi, Hi, Hi, how's it going? Oh?
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  Speaker 3: It's going great, Chelsea. My in laws were here this
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  Speaker 3: last weekend.
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  Speaker 1: How did that work out?
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  Speaker 4: I know that.
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  Speaker 1: How did your jury duty work out?
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  Speaker 5: Bron It was an adventure?
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Did you solve and murder?
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  Speaker 4: I know I didn't. I uh, it was an indecent
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  Speaker 4: exposure case and the guy was pretty creepy. So I
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  Speaker 4: got myself excused, you did, yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Basically he told him like, I can't be impartial. Well,
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  Speaker 3: also because our brother in law is a prosecutor for
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  Speaker 3: exactly that type of person.
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  Speaker 1: But why couldn't you impartial?
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  Speaker 2: Who's going to be impartial about like indecent exposure?
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  Speaker 1: Who's impartial about that?
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  Speaker 3: And I thought it was so interesting because Brad said,
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  Speaker 3: there are.
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  Speaker 1: A group of people that want that to happen.
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  Speaker 3: No, but I guess it was like a misdemeanor and
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  Speaker 3: the guy was already in a jumpsuit, So Brad said,
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  Speaker 3: because of our brother in law, he already knew that,
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  Speaker 3: like he was a repeat offender.
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  Speaker 6: So it's like you.
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  Speaker 1: Knew inside scoop, Yeah, inside scoop. I see, I see,
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  Speaker 1: I see yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think the uh, the lawyers were allowed to get
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  Speaker 3: rid of him.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, man, Even the defense attorney was pretty creepy.
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  Speaker 4: So I just kind of made it clear that I
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  Speaker 4: wasn't going to be very useful as a juror and
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  Speaker 4: I just wanted to be here with my family.
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  Speaker 5: Got here.
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  Speaker 3: This was such a crazy thing. So the last day,
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  Speaker 3: we had kind of a free day and we have
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  Speaker 3: my little fifteen year old niece and my mother in
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  Speaker 3: law is there, and she was like, you know, I've
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  Speaker 3: always loved the look of a nose ring, like a
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  Speaker 3: little sparkle, little something. And she's got like cute, little
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  Speaker 3: petit features. And we were like, girl, you got one
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  Speaker 3: life to live, Like, let's do this if you really
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  Speaker 3: want one. She was like really, So she's seventy years old,
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  Speaker 3: almost seventy years ol, almost seventy years old, and we
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  Speaker 3: took her to get a nose a nose ring, and
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  Speaker 3: it looks fabulous on her. And she was like, I
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  Speaker 3: never had girlfriends to like support me in doing something
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  Speaker 3: like this. I'm so excited. So it was a very
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  Speaker 3: exciting and thrilling time.
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  Speaker 1: All that is just adorable nose rings for everyone. I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't mind a nose ring, although I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: get my nose pierced. Yeah, I don't want to go
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  Speaker 1: through the pain of it.
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  Speaker 3: You just get a faky, just get a little just
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  Speaker 3: get a little clip.
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  Speaker 1: Our guest today is very entertaining.
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  Speaker 2: She is a media mogul, actress, producer, entrepreneur, and one
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  Speaker 2: of the most visible and influential transgender voices in entertainment.
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  Speaker 2: You can find her on her podcast It's called Outlaws,
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  Speaker 2: or as a judge on RuPaul's Drave Grace.
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  Speaker 1: Please welcome. T. S.
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  Speaker 7: Madison, My manager has a child like she has she
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  Speaker 7: got she has a black man and white when she.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, do you do this? Chelsea? Do you do you
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  Speaker 5: wipe his ass?
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  Speaker 8: No?
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I've ever wiped anyone's house.
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  Speaker 5: But we're gonna have it, can we wonder?
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  Speaker 1: I wonder?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Of course, what do you mean America and six all
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  Speaker 2: rules have gone out the fucking window.
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  Speaker 5: Yes we can.
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  Speaker 1: What's happening in this world?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, pursing, that's the least of anybody's girl.
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  Speaker 5: I want to talk about the rolls. How you pulled
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  Speaker 5: him together?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it. We'll do it all. Let's wait,
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  Speaker 2: just let's talk about it. No problem, are we?
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  Speaker 7: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: TS Madison is in the house.
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  Speaker 7: Giant, and get my phone over there because I wanted to.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm Catherine. We didn't officially meet. I'm Catherine Catherine Chancellor.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Chancellor, Catherine Chancellor, and she's Catherine Catherine Chelsea Catherine
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  Speaker 2: and TS Madison.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, bab yes, yes, so, oh my god, I'm excited.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome.
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  Speaker 5: You look ravishing well, I like to get ravish.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're very voluptuous and I like your body type.
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  Speaker 2: And guess what we're allowed to say ship like that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because all the rules are out the fucking eard
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  Speaker 1: of the window.
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  Speaker 7: You see, this motherfucker is really up here changing the constitution,
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  Speaker 7: doing whatever the fuck they want to do.
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  Speaker 5: It, right, So then I'm going to what.
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  Speaker 1: We want to exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, you have some updates that I'd like
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  Speaker 2: to announce to our audience and are very exciting. This month,
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  Speaker 2: you received the Miss Major's Pioneer of the Year Award
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  Speaker 2: at the BT Black and Iconic Soire, named for legendary
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  Speaker 2: transactivist Miss Major Griffin Gracie. So congratulations on that award,
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  Speaker 2: well deserved, thank you. And then you also took the
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  Speaker 2: first homes you ever purchased in Atlanta and transformed it
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  Speaker 2: into the TS Madison Starter House, which is a safe
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  Speaker 2: entry housing program yes per formerly incarcerated black trans women and.
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  Speaker 5: Ex prostitutes prostitutes.
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  Speaker 7: Because you got to understand, like I was that like
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  Speaker 7: with all these accolades and stuff, that you may read
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  Speaker 7: about me. I never shy away from my past because
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  Speaker 7: the moment you start shying away from your past, and
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  Speaker 7: when we'd be like, oh oh I got her. Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 7: you sucked a dick on the corner. Remember you did that?
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  Speaker 7: Uh yeah, I wrote about it in.
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  Speaker 1: A book exactly, exactly, Yeah I did. That's like me,
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  Speaker 1: I announced all my shit.
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  Speaker 2: So when then when they try to come at me
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  Speaker 2: and it's like, hey, buddy, I already talked about this
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  Speaker 2: in the New York Times.
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  Speaker 1: You fucking lose.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, motherfucking asshole, bitch, Yeah I did, I did it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: So what are we doing now?
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk about that. Let's talk about your past. Let's
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  Speaker 2: talk about Let's start with your childhood. Okay, I want
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  Speaker 2: to know when you what age were you when you
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  Speaker 2: saw someone that represented what you thought that you could be.
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  Speaker 7: I am forty I'll be forty nine in October. I
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  Speaker 7: remember in nineteen ninety two, I saw the Crying Game.
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  Speaker 7: Deal a deal, the character deal. So it was the
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  Speaker 7: Crying Game. And it's when I first figured out because
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  Speaker 7: I had saw RuPaul. Yeah you know ru Paul is
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  Speaker 7: you know which I'm a judge on RuPaul's drag race.
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  Speaker 7: But I saw RuPaul and I knew that RuPaul put
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  Speaker 7: it on.
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  Speaker 5: Took it off. I couldn't take me off, you know
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  Speaker 5: what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 7: And so I saw the Crying Game, and like the
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  Speaker 7: biggest thing in that movie was the reveal titties at
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  Speaker 7: the top, dick at the bottom. I was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 7: that's me, really, because I don't here's the thing I am.
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  Speaker 7: I the only time that I really ever struggled with
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  Speaker 7: wanting to have a sex change operation was during my
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  Speaker 7: teenage years when I was peer pressured into it by
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  Speaker 7: other girls around. It's like, well, the only way that
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  Speaker 7: you're going to be like a real woman is if
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  Speaker 7: you get your dick cut off, like if you got
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  Speaker 7: to be So you know, I was pressured back then
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  Speaker 7: because I started transitioning when I was about seventeen years old,
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  Speaker 7: and so you know, I started transitioning here in the mind,
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  Speaker 7: I grew up in the church, and so you know,
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  Speaker 7: growing up in the church, you know every everything's going
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  Speaker 7: to hell. Seven years old, I found Christ with my mom.
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  Speaker 7: I got baptized.
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  Speaker 1: Where was he?
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  Speaker 7: I found Christ in the pulpit of the church, and
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  Speaker 7: the guy was saying, if you come on and bring
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  Speaker 7: your soul out.
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  Speaker 5: So I led my mom to Christ.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you let her?
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  Speaker 5: No, she didn't leave me.
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  Speaker 7: I led her to Christ. And then then then after
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  Speaker 7: me leading her to Christ, we were Christians after that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 7: So I got baptized first time I got baptized, girl
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  Speaker 7: like I.
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  Speaker 5: Right after the.
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  Speaker 7: Baptism, I had a hard penis in the back seven
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  Speaker 7: there's other men back there. We all had just got baptized,
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  Speaker 7: And so I was like, well, why the fuck do
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  Speaker 7: I have a hard dick right now? Wasn't that supposed
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  Speaker 7: wasn't I supposed to be watching you had.
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  Speaker 1: The hard penis or you felt another person?
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  Speaker 5: I had the heart? Heart got any Okay?
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  Speaker 1: You had an in direction at the baptism.
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  Speaker 7: Afterwards, like after after I was baptized, and they took
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  Speaker 7: us in the back back there.
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  Speaker 5: Oh there's gonna be some good stuff for you.
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  Speaker 7: They took us in the back, and like we know,
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  Speaker 7: we changed robes because they put us in this white
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  Speaker 7: robes and then they dip you in the water and
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  Speaker 7: you go to back and then it's just like all
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  Speaker 7: the men were back to getting naked, and I.
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  Speaker 5: Was like, oh, my penis got it read? But I
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  Speaker 5: was seven.
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  Speaker 7: Ok So maybe that was, but I never forgot that
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  Speaker 7: my dick got hard, okay, and so then later on it.
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  Speaker 1: Was not the first time you ever experienced an direction.
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  Speaker 7: You know what, come to think about it, probably probably Wow,
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  Speaker 7: nobody ever asked me that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I wonder how many people did experience their first
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  Speaker 2: direction during a baptism. Maybe there's more than just you know,
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  Speaker 2: usually like maybe that's a thing that's kind of like,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 5: Or maybe it was because I was in a room
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  Speaker 5: full of dicks.
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  Speaker 1: I don't that's what I mean. You're with other men, right,
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  Speaker 1: and then you have your penis. I don't know, you're nobody,
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  Speaker 1: you know, nobody ever asked me that.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: That's making me think like, yeah, yeah, it's making me think, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Like what.
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  Speaker 7: So after that, I you know, I'm growing up going
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  Speaker 7: to church and stuff whatever. You know, you're hearing about
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  Speaker 7: homosexuality is and sin being gay as this, and then
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  Speaker 7: you're going to hell.
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  Speaker 5: No, so of course it's it's you.
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  Speaker 7: You You suppress whatever feelings and things that you have,
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  Speaker 7: you know about you know, what you're attracted to, and
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  Speaker 7: then you're like, well, I want to like girls, but
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  Speaker 7: I don't think girls, you know, are like, that doesn't
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  Speaker 7: make me have an erection. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 7: I think I've always found women to be extremely beautiful,
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  Speaker 7: of course, because yeah, so you know. So it's like
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  Speaker 7: I like to look at women, and I like the way,
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  Speaker 7: you know, and being raised by a woman, and but
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  Speaker 7: I just didn't want to have sex with a woman.
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  Speaker 7: So fast forward, like fourteen, I heard a voice. I
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  Speaker 7: was watching Rup Paul on TV, and I heard a
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  Speaker 7: voice say, that's going to be your friend and y'all
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  Speaker 7: are going to work together. Fourteen. I'm forty nine. That
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  Speaker 7: was fourteen years old. I heard that, and then you know,
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  Speaker 7: now I'm a judge on drag Race. But I'm jumping
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  Speaker 7: around because you got me excited. Yeah, you know, but
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  Speaker 7: me thinking like I had a connection to something. I
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  Speaker 7: don't know what it was. I've always been connected to
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  Speaker 7: hearing a voice or feeling an emotion or something, but
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  Speaker 7: it never was an attraction to sexually attracted to women.
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  Speaker 7: When I turned seventeen, I had an experience to where
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  Speaker 7: I met a other trans woman that became my gay mama.
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  Speaker 7: And when I met her, I worked at Long John Silver's.
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  Speaker 5: I know what I know, well, two piece fishing.
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  Speaker 7: More so, it was a long John silver that she
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  Speaker 7: came through lawn John silvers, and like, I looked out
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  Speaker 7: the window and we had been hearing about her for
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  Speaker 7: the luncause she used to do hair in.
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  Speaker 5: Our neighborhood, like you know.
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  Speaker 7: And I looked out the window and she was there,
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  Speaker 7: and I knew it wasn't a woman, but it wasn't
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  Speaker 7: a man.
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  Speaker 5: It was something.
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  Speaker 7: And so the only encounter that I had ever seen
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  Speaker 7: prior to that was in ninety two was watching the
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  Speaker 7: crying Gains. So it's just like these are these the
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  Speaker 7: pieces started to connect, and so she was looking at
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  Speaker 7: me in the drive through window and she was like.
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  Speaker 5: I remember that coming out. Oh she said what's your name?
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  Speaker 5: And I was like.
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  Speaker 7: Timothy, and she was like how much is my How
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  Speaker 7: much was the order? And I can't remember how much
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  Speaker 7: a two piece fishing war was back in ninety whatever,
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  Speaker 7: But I rang it up and she and I passed
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  Speaker 7: her food at the winter and she reached it. She
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  Speaker 7: was like and she grabbed my arms and stuff like
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  Speaker 7: that with her long nails and claws, and I just
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  Speaker 7: felt like.
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  Speaker 5: What happened? Because then I just felt like that there
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  Speaker 5: was a transfer of something.
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  Speaker 1: Energy, yeah, of possibility.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And so it was so crazy to me because you know,
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  Speaker 7: it was like one of those experiences of like so
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  Speaker 7: much shit was just crashing in my.
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  Speaker 5: Brain and I'm like, well, girl, what is this? What is?
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  Speaker 5: And I remember my manager coming back there saying, you.
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  Speaker 7: Know, that's a man, that's a man. But I'm like,
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  Speaker 7: I know it's not a man. It's not a man,
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  Speaker 7: but it's not a female.
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  Speaker 5: But I think that's kind of like me. You know, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I was really problematic in school.
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  Speaker 7: I'm assuming now that i'm older that it was because
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  Speaker 7: I was battling all the things that I was taught
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  Speaker 7: and all the ideas that was placed to me and
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  Speaker 7: you know, all the and I remember meeting another queer
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  Speaker 7: kid in school that was androgynists, I would say, and
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  Speaker 7: I remember her they them, she all of that, asking me,
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  Speaker 7: why do you eat like a man. You're supposed to
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  Speaker 7: eat like this.
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  Speaker 5: Like a girl. You're a girl. I was like, I'm
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  Speaker 5: not no fucking girl, you know.
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  Speaker 7: And she got killed during our spring break, and I
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  Speaker 7: cried like a kid because I was like, that was
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  Speaker 7: like my first time like really just interacting outside of
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  Speaker 7: me working over here at the crying games. You know,
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  Speaker 7: it was just interacting with something else outside of church.
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  Speaker 1: Who do we know who killed her?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, some guys killed her. Oh God.
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  Speaker 7: Sometimes, Chelsea, when I think about it, you know, and
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  Speaker 7: I think about where I am in life, I was like, well,
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  Speaker 7: what what would have happened if she would have survived,
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  Speaker 7: Like to see the world change and then me being
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  Speaker 7: a change maker in the world and me actually embracing
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  Speaker 7: exactly you know, who I am, and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 7: Like I wonder what she or wonder wonder could she
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  Speaker 7: see me? You know, I think about it sometimes. I
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  Speaker 7: think about it, like it weighs on my heart heavy
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  Speaker 7: at times, because you know, I was a kid and
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  Speaker 7: I saw stuff.
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  Speaker 5: In images and freedom. I saw what freedom looked like.
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  Speaker 7: So I met other trans women who started telling me like,
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  Speaker 7: in order for me to be like a real woman,
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  Speaker 7: you know, you gotta get a pussy, you have to
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  Speaker 7: have a pussy and all this stuff. And I was like,
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  Speaker 7: I don't want a pussy. I don't want to have
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  Speaker 7: a pussy. I'm already I'm I'm.
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  Speaker 5: It's already enough.
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  Speaker 7: Like in the straight world, you gotta have a lot
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  Speaker 7: of women to be a man. In the trans world.
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  Speaker 7: You've gotten to be a real woman, you gotta I
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  Speaker 7: have a pussy. It's just like too many rules and regulations.
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  Speaker 7: I want to live on my own terms. I don't
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  Speaker 7: I want to be who I am on my own terms.
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  Speaker 7: I don't want to have to, you know, submit. Over
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  Speaker 7: here in the rainbow, in the straight world of having
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  Speaker 7: to you know, you know, just look.
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  Speaker 5: Away, be away, build away, shape away, muscle away, you know.
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  Speaker 7: And then over here in this world, well you got
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  Speaker 7: to be this and that. It's like, girl, I didn't
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  Speaker 7: get under the rainbow to follow these fucking rules, you
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  Speaker 7: know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: And so I saved up money, and I was really in.
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  Speaker 7: The process of like, all right, well, in order for
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  Speaker 7: me to be a real woman, I got to go
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  Speaker 7: get a pussy. So I don't you know, pussies back
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  Speaker 7: then were like fifty thousand dollars fifty sixty thousand. Put like,
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  Speaker 7: if you wanted a real good pussy, you had to
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  Speaker 7: go to Thailand or some land or and like have
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  Speaker 7: a I'm a willing doubt girl. So I have a
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  Speaker 7: lot of dick, okay, And I didn't want to get
• 15:55
  Speaker 7: rid of my motherfucking dick.
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: I didn't want to do it.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: I like this, I like this, and like everything you're saying. Seriously,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: why are there rules to being a trans woman?
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: That's not a rule?
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: Why are there rules to being a human?
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Exactly?
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: When you're telling the story about this younger girl that
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: it was killed murdered, I think this is something that
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: rings true for me, and it sounds like it rings
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: true for you from everything that I've seen of yours
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: and just talking to you, that when you are in
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: a position of power and you have a platform that
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: is larger than most, you're not just doing it for yourself.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: You're doing it for all of the people that we've
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: lost and all of the people that came before you
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: and all of the people that will come after you.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: So when you say you think about that.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Girl like that, is like with every move you make,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: it's a lot of responsibility. You know, to think of
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: so many others when you're making decisions. But I think
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: with prominence comes a lot of responsibility.
• 16:58
  Speaker 7: And a lot of it I didn't want because of
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: course I'm gonna always color outside of the lines, and
• 17:04
  Speaker 7: you know, it's gotten me in a lot of trouble.
• 17:07
  Speaker 7: A lot of my opinions have gotten me in a
• 17:10
  Speaker 7: lot of social trouble, you know, because you know, I
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: just have color outside of the lines.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Like what what can you think of something that's gotten
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: you into trouble recently?
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: Listen, I just just recently and then I want to
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: tell you about my sex change story. Just recently, I
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: made a statement about d L. I cussed that motherfucking
• 17:37
  Speaker 7: I cussed his motherfucking ass.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: What happened with y'all?
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: Because it was some ship that happened with me and
• 17:42
  Speaker 7: just hilarious, and because there was this issue around trans
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: women being trying to erase cist women and all of
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: this type of who has control over periods in womanhood?
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: And that was another trans woman that you know made
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: the comment, and I was like, well, of course females
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: have control over womanhood. They're females, Like what the fuck
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: like we don't like, I don't give them how altered
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: and how gorgeous and how we're not females where we
• 18:20
  Speaker 7: could be women, but we're not females, so we don't
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: have periods.
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: The way that they twisted my words was, you know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: and like DLL made this statement and he said, well
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: ts Madison, and it was on the radio saying this shit,
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: and I was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, nigga,
• 18:41
  Speaker 7: don't you know that you ain't supposed to don't don't
• 18:44
  Speaker 7: you know that we don't all look like you black?
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: You should know how it feels that we don't all
• 18:49
  Speaker 7: look alike, you know, don't misconstrue me, and don't say.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: Like that I said that when that's not what I said.
• 18:57
  Speaker 7: You know, don't take my words and take the person
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: another person's words, because like all trends.
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: Like she's me and that girl don't even look alike.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I've been a lot of straight people or
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: sis people.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I should say, don't even think beyond you know, like
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: they can't imagine that you would be trans and not
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: have bottom surgery or sexual.
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: But my problem with d'l was like, sir, you're black.
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: Don't act like that. People don't think that all us
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: black folks look alike. So you should know when I'm
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: telling you or when I'm when I'm correcting you saying, hey,
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: I didn't say that. Blossom said that, yes she's trans,
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: but we just because we trans. And the thing I
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: didn't say that what I said was just hilarious. Should
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: have said female instead of women because I understood her plight. No,
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: we are trans women, We're not female. So yes, females
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: do have control over the womanhood aspect of that when
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: it comes to periods, because that's something that we would
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: never experience. You and I will have shared experience, will
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: never have the same lived experience.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Do you trade well?
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: But that's true for everybody, regardless of you know, our
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: sex or you know, but do some trans women consider
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: themselves to be female?
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: Don't?
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Isn't that true for something else?
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: I do believe that there are there are because we're
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: not a monolith, and so there are trans women that
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: consider themselves female. I'm not one of those transact I
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: consider myself a trans woman. Like I've lived seventeen years
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: of my life, eighteen years of my life as a
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: butcher queen, a gay boy. But I still was a
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: woman on the inside. So I don't consider myself like.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: A trans woman packing some serious heat.
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: I was always still got it, honey, you know, And
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: so in that I was pressured to get a sex change.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: Even in that, and I'm like, girl, you know what?
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: And what?
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: So have I met a Puerto Rican rican?
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: That's one of my stif I met a Puerto Rican
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: guy one night after the club, and you know, to
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: make the long story short, you know, he was he
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: wanted me to get totally naked, and so I didn't
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: tell him at the time that I was had a dick,
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: you know. But he was like, bitch, you're early in
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: your transition.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Girl.
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: I know you got a dick, but you know I'm
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: gonna play stupid with you like a lot of men do.
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: So trans girls out there stopped playing those games. There
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: are a lot of men that play stupid.
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: With you, girl.
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: They know you have or have had a dick. But anyway,
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: so he was like, get naked. So when I got
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: all the way naked and I had my hands in
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: the front of my private like that, and he was saying, like,
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: you know, move your hand, let me see.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: So I moved my hand and it flopped and he
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: was like, oh my god, you're so beautiful.
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: After that, like after our sexual experience, I never thought
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: about having another sex change until recently. Until recently when
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: Trump got in office and I said, maybe I might
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: need to do this to protect myself from whatever's coming.
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: Maybe I might need to do because I can I
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: can pass. And I was like, well, maybe I could
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: just but then I'm like, we'll beat your tears, Madison.
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: So even if you got a pussy, they know you
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: didn't have one before if somebody spot you, so you know,
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: like these were thoughts are going through my head, But
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: but I don't have those thoughts.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: You feel settled, good, You're good, and you're going to
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: keep your penis.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: Oh, I'm keeping it.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, good for you.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I'm top on your penis, ready to go keeping my baby?
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: What is it? Okay? So there's a phrase.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: For men we were talking about that, Yeah, only date
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: are there is there's a thing like gay.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Men, and there's street men. But is there a word
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: for men.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Who only date trans women?
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Because but is then that is that then a fetish if?
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Like a chaser chaser?
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: Yep, we call them in our community, we do call
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: them training chasers, but which we just we can't really use.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: But you know that I'm not offended by the word.
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: But but just because I'm not offended doesn't mean that
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: somebody else is not offended.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: So let me retract that.
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: Because t is Mads and you have a responsibility to
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: know that this is a large platform.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: You got to behave.
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: We call them the T word chasers. But there is
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: a term, the new term that these the girls have
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: come up with that describe men that have an attraction
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: to trans women only.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: And do you like that.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: At this big age? I like a man that's attracted
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: to me.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I find that people who are only attracted to one
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: very specific type of person to be that. I find
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: that always to be a little bit off putting. It's
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: like women who only date a certain type of man,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: or men who only date a certain type of woman
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: or eth They're seeking the type and not as a person.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, so it feels crazy, especially being that
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: I am a well endo out girl.
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: There are men because I did get into the porn
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: industry and ship like that and I did, God, I
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: did so much shit.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: You did a lot of sex work, right.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: I did?
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: I did?
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: How long did you do that for.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: A decade and a half.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: What was your experience and what is your takeaway now
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: that you're so far out of it.
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: My experience was I reshaped culture with it because I'm
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: a black girl that was that cornered the market and
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: during the time of my when I emerged, I emerged
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: on the scene when there was there was. It was
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: like a niche market, and I made sure that I
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: capitalized off of me being voluptuous and hood and business.
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: Savvy, all wrapped in the same cloth.
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: And then told the other big name companies like who
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: I'm friends with now, So if y'all watch this, we're
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: friends like Grooby and Bob's t girls like a lot
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: of these tea girl places. I told them they couldn't
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: have me. You can't have me, bitch, because I'm motherfucking
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: ts Mathison, I'm big dig bitch dot com.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: You can't have me.
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: You can't have me because I understand that my black
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: skin is powerful. I understand that my BBC is powerful,
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: and I understand that I know how to control that
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: without having a machine control me. So I took ownership
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: of that and I made all the money without removed
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: the middleman. I made all the money nice, yeah, And
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: I didn't need them to do any other things.
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: And so you know what I did, though, was I did.
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: Lots of videos, lots of raunch like, lots of little
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: things that changed the way men saw trans women. There
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: is a lot of stuff that I don't regret it,
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: or maybe I do do.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I I don't know. Let's find out.
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: When I'm approached by men now, a lot of them
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: be like, oh my god, I wanted to fuck you
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: since I was fifteen, or like I've been watching you
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: since I was fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, like you were my
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: first trance I ever saw. I was like, oh shit,
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: or we'll be out somewhere. And then women, women, women
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: like you got a big dick.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: I seen it.
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: I was like, girl, like, we were at the Emmys
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: and this lady ran me down outside and she was
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: a fucking homeless lady and she ran me down, and
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: she's like, tests I want to take a picture. When
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: you can I take a picture. I was like, yeah,
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: come on, stop, I'm hugging him. And she was like,
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: I've been I'm a big fan of yours. And when
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: people said me that, I don't know what era there,
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: I don't know what era, but I started to get nervous.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: And she was like, girl, you got a big dick.
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: I said, oh Jesus Christ, you're from that era. You're
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: from that era. Okay, she says, but I've been watching someone.
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: She says, I love the way that you've your trajectory.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: I just love it.
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: But you still got that big old dick, don't you.
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: And I'm like, girl, why are you asking me this?
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: At the Emmys and then I meet people.
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: Jerry O'Connell is my good friend.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I love Jerry.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: That's that's my I love.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: He's a real hot mess.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah he is.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: I love Jerry. And so Jerry and I were we
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: did an episode of let Me Pick You Up on
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: the World of Wonder creator for me, and we were
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: in the car and I was saying all kind of
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: crazy ship to Jerry or whatever, and I said, Jerry,
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: where's the first time that you saw me? And it
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: was so funny. He said, I found you online.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: And listen. I didn't even dig.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Shit.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: I didn't dig for nothing or whatever.
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: And I was like, because you know he he's married
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: to Rebecca And I was like, so, uh, well, what
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: did Because we worked Jerry myself and Rebecca worked on
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: a show called Gave Her Play with RuPaul, and he
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: chose me as his partner what you call a partner.
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: And I was like, well, you tell Rebecca that you
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: they would do my homeboy.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: You know, I ain't trying to own you know. It
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: was just a joke.
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: People from all walks of life, and it's just like
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: there are times that I'm.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: Like, fuck, why did I do those little videos? What
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: catapaulted me?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: But why would you regret that?
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: You know, when you get to a certain place you
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: don't want people to really see you.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: It's just because sometimes they can't. They can't let that go.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: But that's also a rasure in a sense, like you're
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: erasing the person that helped you evolve to become the
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: person that you are.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: So we can all look back at parts of our past.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: That maybe we're not so proud of or that isn't
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: representative of who we are today, but that doesn't negate
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: that that's part of who brought us to where we are.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: I would argue that it's very important to think of
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: our past as things that we wouldn't want to take back.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: It's like it's like a formula to become who you
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: are today.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't. I don't.
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: If I had the chance to do it all again,
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: I would probably tweak it, but do it.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: If we would all fucking tweak it, maybe I would
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: tweet it all the tweaking.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: I say, I would eat rice it.
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: I would tweak it a little bit, but you know
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: what I'm saying, I'd be like, oh shit, you know,
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: especially knowing what I know now.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: But it's just sometimes it gets weird.
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: It feels weird, like sometimes like when I'm like, if
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: I'm at a gathering and a guy, it's like, oh god,
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: I just want to suck your fucking dick, and I'm like, here, like,
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: or did Timmy I remember this video? You was th
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: state I remember video. I don't want to talk about
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: that here?
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, like I got it.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: I don't want to do that here.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Well, if it makes you feel any better, I have
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: dms telling me the same things all day long.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I just posted a carousel.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Of dms of men telling me how much pussy they
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: want to look of mine and eat me from the back.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: These are men I've never met before. So I feel
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: like men in general, okay, just are having they feel
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: comfortable saying these things to women anywhere, anytime, any place.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: And again, I really don't think that's on you. Okay, good,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: why would you bring that up at the end?
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: That's on you too.
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: Well, the lady told me that is the women. Well,
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: so because women want to fuck me too, and that's okay.
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. So it's like I've been
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: approached by women men, other fucking trans women.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: But you're only into men, right, Yeah, you're intimate. Do
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: you have a boyfriend, like a serious person in your life.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: I'm very into freedom now.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, I used to want to be, but no.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: I me into freedom.
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: I feel like that everybody should know that I'm a
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: whore when I want to be, and then when I
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: want to be cuddled that I chose you to cuddle with.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: And can I ask you? So this is a crude question,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: so I love it. So do you like to be
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: penetrated and to penetrate?
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: Oh? Thank you for asking me this, Chelsea. Now I
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: can explain.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I know our listeners are.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: I can explain.
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: For my freakoffs, I'm open if he if I'm a mattress,
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: I will flip over.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: I'm a pancake.
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: Pancake me, motherfucker, I will flip over, flip me. But
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: that Puerto Rican God did that to me. That's that's
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: why that I got into the flipping, because at one
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: point I was like, oh, don't do that, you know,
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: and then the Puerto Rican got that that told you
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: was like, girl, you're beautiful, you dad, And he got
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: on it and rode that ship like a fucking.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: Cowboy, right, and you liked I like that, but you know,
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: but that was a freak off.
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: Now a gentleman, and this is this is problem So
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: I'm telling y'all now, I'm looking in your eyes to
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: tell y'all what I'm getting ready to say is problematic.
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: So don't get into comments and don't go doing all
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: these dissertations about this shit. It's problematic what I'm getting
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: ready to say. That's my disclaimer.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: For my personal.
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: I like my man to fuck me to death, and
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: I don't need him to be into my penis. I
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: just need him to understand that it's there, you know.
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: I don't need you to be into it. He don't
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: got to touch it, he don't got to suck. Now,
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: if he suck it, that's I'm alright with that. Now,
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: if he starts bending over for me to fuck him,
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: now we're in the freak sessions.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Now, oh okay, got it?
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: And now, like you, I don't. I don't want you to.
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: I don't want to be your girl because now you
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: want me to fuck you in the ass, which I will.
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: I'm not asphobic. I will hit that, but I'm not
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: gonna marry that.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: It feels like the world is your That's why I
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: feel so many Really, it really kind of this is
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: very illuminating, and I really appreciate your candor because having
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: to ask you to explain this kind of feels like annoying.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like having to ask a black person
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: to explain racism, and I don't want to put that
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: on you. So I really appreciate you your openness and
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: explaining your personal experience because I know there's a lot
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: of people listening that feel like you have to choose
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: one bucket or the other bucket.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: And even in the trans community, it's like you.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Have to be a full woman or you have to
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: have bottom surgery or top surgery.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: So I think this is a very.
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: I don't want to do it. I don't want to
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: adhere to any rules and regulations. I don't want to
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: do it. I had to do it as a kid.
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: I had to, you know, you got to do it
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: in the church, you got to do it over Here's like, God,
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: damn it. I just want to be free.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Do you feel free?
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: I do, Yeah.
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: I don't feel bound to anything. I don't and I'm
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: never gonna let anything bind me ever again, Like you're
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: not gonna tell me, well, I'm not a real this
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: because of the no, bitch, I'm real, because this is
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: I said, I'm real. You're not gonna tell me that
• 34:07
  Speaker 7: I need to have this in order to know I don't.
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying, like to be complete? You come,
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: I'm complete. I complete me. You know it took a
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: while because you're over there like shit, like, oh my god,
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: well you know, And this is why I don't surround
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: myself with people.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: Who are incomplete.
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: I don't surround myself when people are incomplete because they
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: can influence you.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: When like even after.
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: You've got your first surgery, you know what if I
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: would have if I'd have pinched my nose just a
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: little bit more. If that's why my ass is so
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: fucking big and my hips are so big, because I
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: was walking the streets back in the day and it
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: was like the bigger your body is, the more cars
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: you'll stop. And it's just like now you're competing with
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: all the girls who you know what I'm saying, who, Well,
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: her ass is bigger, so you got to go bigger
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: than her. Her tit is a bigger or her nose
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: is smaller, so that makes her look really like bitch,
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: you got to get to some point where you're satisfied
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: with with you.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: And that's why.
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: I'm open about me talking about my bottom, because you
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: know now that there are some girls that will not,
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: and that's them, and that's okay. I'm comfortable with however
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: it feels. Because I'm comfort I'm totally complete with me.
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: So I talk about my bottom, and I talk about
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: that not to lots of females like to tell me, bitch,
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: you'll never be a woman because you'll never have a pussy.
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: You're mad at me because I have a real pussy.
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: You want to have a real pussy. And I always
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: explain to them, well, I name myself big dick bitch
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: because I don't want to have a pussy, and I'm
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: okay with me having a and I am still she
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: her and hers, and I'm cool with that, and I'm
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: cool with what likes me. I am fine with what's
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: attracted to me. Ninety nine point percent of gay men
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: are not attracted to me because my presentation is women.
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: You don't see this until the panties come down. Sometimes
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: when the panties are down, there are men that's like, no,
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: I don't want that. I want the presentation. It's okay
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: that it's there, but I don't want that. So that's
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: just how it works. I'm still she to him where
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: people will say, well, you're not a she until this
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: is gone. Now, I'm a she here, I'm a her here.
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: I'm also a her here because when it's being played
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: a toy around with, I call it a shenis s
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: h e I n is shenis.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Thank you for spelling that for us in case we
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: couldn't figure that fucking out.
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: Make that the title of this episode.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: And this conversation is more enlightening than our Neil de
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Glass Tyson conversation back ones of physics. Honestly, this is
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: so enlightening. I'm learning so much. I really appreciate it.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: It's really good to understand that there are so many
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: different variations. And what you're saying paramount to everything is
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: for you know, any young person who is like struggling
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: and not with their identity and what they're supposed to
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: do if they transition, it's like you're giving a license
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: to people to take what they want, and don't take
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: what they want. You know to be who you are
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: in your head. It is more important than any of
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: the physical stuff.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: Just s it because you have to know. You can't
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: let other people know for you. You.
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: You have to know, and you got to know when
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: to stop. Like all the mistakes. Sometimes I look at
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: my body and I'm like, Mads, So you made that
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: mistake because you was trying to compete with this bitch
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: over here, Madison. You got this scar over here. You
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: wouldn't have had this scar girl on your on your
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: leg or your hip or on your You wouldn't have
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: had this stuff if you wouldn't have been if you
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: would have.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: Just settled in your mind. You knew you were good.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: You knew that.
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: And there are scars that I have on my body
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: that I that I that I kept like I didn't
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: go get a skin graph for certain thing because I
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: got grug I don't know how long we got, but
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: I got a whole story. I got silicone poisoned.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: Oh god, all kind of shit.
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: I have scars on me that I could have went
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: and got skin grafted, could have got it.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: But I make sure that I stand.
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: In the mirror when I'm naked, to remind myself, bitch,
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: you are who you are. You got that scar because
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: you were trying to be this. You got that scar
• 39:08
  Speaker 7: because you were trying to be that. Look at your
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: scars as the reminders of bitch to be exactly who
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: you are, living, exactly who the fuck you are, and
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: bitch so that you don't scar yourself again, right, remember that?
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: And so that's why when shit, we were all over
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: the place, but we'll get it together. That's why when
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: Beyonce did Cozy and added me to that song, and
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: I listened to the lyrics and I and I was
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: able to chant that.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: And this is a recording that you made in your
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: own house right during the George Floyd protest.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: Yes, right after right after his murder.
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: Yes, you know it was me protesting about me being black,
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: me being trans, me and I can't separate the two
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: because sometimes in my community, in the black community, it's
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: like like, well, you're not black enough because you're trans now,
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: or you're not really black because you're gay, and it's like,
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: what the fuck. I'm black, I'm black and trans at
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: the same time. I'm not separately at the same time,
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: and So when she was talking about being comfortable in
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: the skin and cozy with who you are, and when
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: she was saying I look at the scars of my
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: I was just like, oh my god, she's singing this
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: about me. This is about me, because I talk about
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: the scars on my body. I talk about the things
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: that I've been through in my life. I talk about
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: the scars of being told that I'm going to burn
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: in hell, and and and and going through my entire
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: life trying to fit everybody else's idea of what you know,
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: what is right? When my idea of me is right,
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: it's right.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: I'm not hurting anybody.
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: I'm not trying to confuse anybody. I'm front and I
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: just feel like that I'm where I need to be.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Was there any point in your life that you got
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: advice that was invaluable from anyone?
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: Ru Paul told me Ts Madison, don't you ever be
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: too big for the small things, because the small things
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: will get you through when the big things aren't calling.
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: And she said, because what you've got to understand, some
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: other bitch, You'll come through and get that small thing
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: and become really big, and you'll regret it.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: I was like, what the fuck?
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: That's great advice. We're gonna give advice. Are you ready
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: to give advice? We have callers and people come.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: Calling in, calling to the doll. I love you, though.
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: I'm in the reason why I'm so it's because I'm
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: with Chelsea fucking Handler.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Ah, I love you.
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: Do you understand girl that I've watched I used to
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: tell World of Wonder because World of Wonder is the
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: people who kind of like really discover me and push me.
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: I said, when you guys make me a show, I
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: want you to take the formula from Chelsea and I
• 42:20
  Speaker 7: want to do a night show like this. I need
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: to be able to be crass. I need to be
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: able to say pussy yeah, dick. I need to be
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: able to just be.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: Well, obviously it's still a working Yeah.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: You just reminded me of all the legal battles that
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: we would get into with the use of language, Like
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: you could say, you could say somebody was jerking off,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: but you couldn't call someone a jerk off. They actually
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: had to be like the active jerking, like all the
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: semantics around the language. You just reminded me of the
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: legal arguments we would get in daily, which now I
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: think would be a mood for because language is whatever.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Nobody gives a shit anymore if who's cursing.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: But I didn't know you were going through stuff like that.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah. We would fight all the time. They
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: fucking hated me.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: He would be like, oh my god, because I was like,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I would never back down, you know.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, this is a comedy show.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: These aren't serious issues. And you know, the legal people
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: would be very serious. It would be like, well, you
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: can say rim job, but it has to be an
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: actual rim job.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what's the actor? Do you know what a
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: rim job is? You, sir?
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you mean like on a car or like
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: an actual So we would just have these really silly
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: but it was always really fun, you know.
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: But you don't know how you changed the the perception
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: of censorship for me, because I was like, well, Chelsea
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: is she says it.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: I would be sitting there like say this shitay shit,
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: because I'm gonna sit in.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Motherfucking shit too fun to say it.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: Yes, And it's just like you said you did it.
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: You you you would read and you didn't give a
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: fuck you. It's like this this was stuff that I
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: was just like, I gotta I want to be able
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: to do this, you know, because this is me m
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: and I just always want to tell you when I
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: had the opportunity, I was like, bitch, thank.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: You, oh, thank you, thank you. I'd love to hear
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: that that's really special, thank you.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: I like a I like a foul mouth mother.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: You like a foul mouth white bitch. Yeah, baby.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: You know, sometimes there are things that you're going to say,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: and you know you're going to say them, like and
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: sometimes like when I'm like I have a speech repaired,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: and there's just like certain lines you just can't wait
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: to get out of your mouth, just to call someone
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: on their shit right.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: To their face. Like I love that feeling.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, men are just you know, it's it's it's
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: like not all men obviously, but men, I love all
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: of them. Somebody said, I read somebody sent me this
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Instagram thing yesterday This beautiful British woman was talking about
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: what the problem is with men right now and the
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: men and it's like their identity used to be enough.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Just being a man was enough. So the problem is
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: that they have to come up with these other qualities.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: They have to be caring, they have to be actually talented.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: You can't just get by on being a man.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: And that's where this cultural shift that we're all seeing,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: and this anger and violence against women which we've experienced,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: you know, since the beginning of time, but there's a
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: real din right now. The way men talk about women,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: the way men you know, degrade women, and they're like
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: the Roe v Wade.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: All of it is just like whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: If you guys are being treated in the same way
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: we are, then that means we actually have to step
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: up our game and do something more than we're doing. Yes,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: but I hate to say all men because I just
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: because I have to get fucked at some point by.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Some they will still find that's true.
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: I say this, which he gets very infuriated when he
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: watches my show. He says that I bashed in and
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: it's like, no, I don't best because I love men.
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: But I'm still.
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: Going to say that I think that men love pussy
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: more than women.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, absolutely.
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: Love pussy more than women.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: It's a mental that's it.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Let me get my dick in something and fucking bust
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: or not, that's of course, And but there are men
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: that do you love women?
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they do. I mean, I don't think that they
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: don't love me, because because when you.
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: Start saying that, because they start saying like, oh, you're
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: saying I'm gay. No, I'm not saying you're gay.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: Tell me that would be better. By the way, Tell
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: me when.
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: Was the last time that you actually laid in the
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: bell of the woman and just listen to her. Tell
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: you about what's going on inside of her body, the
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: changes that she feels like, you know, like what's going
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: on in her vagina or if she's whatever. When have
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: you bonded with that or all your period on? Okay, well,
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: i gotta go fuck me somebody else while you're here.
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: You think I'm gonna wait seven days or you think
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna wait this long time till your period go off.
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: Now I'm gonna go fuck me another pussy. No, why
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: don't you Why are you not there nurturing her during
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: that time and taking care of her during that time. No,
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: you like you love her, but you love a pussy
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: more because if you can't get that pussy, you're gonna
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: go get you another piece of pussy in the process.
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: And that doesn't mean and it's like like I have
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: a lot of straight men around me, and I'm like, sir,
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: you like pussy and that's fine.
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: You don't really know her. You don't know her.
• 47:35
  Speaker 7: You don't know how her day is, You don't know
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: how she feels on the inside. You don't know her,
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: and she knows you. She could tell you what the
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: fuck is wrong with you, She could tell you when
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: you well, she could tell when you cheating on it
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: because the dick is acting crazy because she's connected to you.
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: You don't share that same type of connection. And then
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: it's like they get angry with me when I say,
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: you really don't like women like dere you like Pussycie.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's move on to our questions now.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: Our first caller today is Cela Bay and her question
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: is about whether she should hook up with a younger man.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Dear Chelsea, I recently turned thirty and got out of
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: a relationship that absolutely leveled me. Since then, I found
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: myself at a strange crossroads. For years, I dated the
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: kinds of men you're supposed to date, older, successful, wealthy,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: great jobs, great families, the kinds of men who can
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: book a flight before you've even finished saying where you
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: want to go? I spent years in Miami, which I
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: believe legally counts as a graduate degree in dating rich,
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: older men. And it's not like I sought them out.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: It's just that those were the kinds of men who
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: pursued me. The problem is that now, whenever one of
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: these types of men tries to woo me with gifts,
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: luxury travel, or expensive dinners, I get the icks so
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: aggressively that I practically need medical attention. Meanwhile, I was
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: recently talking to a twenty five year old who is
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: objectively less qualified on paper, but somehow made me feel
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: more excited than the guy offering to fly me to Tuscany.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: I called things off with him, but for the first
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: time in my life, I'm wondering if I've been choosing
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: partners based on resumes instead of chemistry. Part of me
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: thinks it's time to date hot, younger guys, have fun,
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: and stop treating my love life like I'm hiring a CFO.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: The other part of me wonders if women are sold
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: a fantasy about having fun and whether that actually ends
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: up being fulfilling. So my question is, after a big heartbreak,
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: how do you know whether you're finally listening to yourself
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: or just temporarily losing your mind. Love a woman who
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: spent her twenties dating balance sheets and is suddenly interested
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: in personalities.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Cela b Hi, Celia.
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: Bee, hi Sela By.
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  Speaker 2: This is our special guest today, Ts Madison is Hia.
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  Speaker 6: So nice to meet you. Gotcha too happy pride Ah Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I think you should have a
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  Speaker 1: good time.
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  Speaker 2: I think whenever you have a pattern of behavior that
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  Speaker 2: didn't work out, and it was a pattern, like and
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: you recognize it, you should really just change up that
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  Speaker 2: pattern and like toss it out the window and just
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: go for it in terms of doing the exact opposite
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  Speaker 2: of what you've done in the past, and have a
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  Speaker 2: good time without any expectations, and stop looking at it
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  Speaker 2: at the end result, like stop looking at the outcome
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  Speaker 2: of a relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Before it happens.
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  Speaker 2: We agree, don't look at every person as a potential
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  Speaker 2: partner for life. Look at them as an experience in life,
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  Speaker 2: Like everyone is an experience if you don't put so
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: much weight on it. And it's always worthwhile to break
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  Speaker 2: up a pattern.
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  Speaker 7: That was good advice, Jose I think that you should
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: always fuck young, date rich.
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  Speaker 5: That's just the.
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  Speaker 1: Fuck young and David. Yeah, now you have to find
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  Speaker 1: a young rich guy.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think that you can do that whatever, But
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  Speaker 2: it's also nice to find out, like there might be
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: other attributes and qualities you really like in people that
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  Speaker 2: you don't even know about yet.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. See, you want the money, girl, you want the money.
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  Speaker 1: You want Maybe she'll make her own money.
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  Speaker 5: Girl. Nobody wants to make their own girl.
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  Speaker 1: Take that money.
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  Speaker 7: I know you don't have your own money, but I
• 51:08
  Speaker 7: took some of those men.
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  Speaker 5: So that's what you should do.
• 51:12
  Speaker 7: You should fuck young, date rich, and always keep you
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  Speaker 7: an investment account account on the side, you know what I'm.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Saying, an offshore account of sure.
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  Speaker 7: And when you get older, you know you're gonna find well,
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  Speaker 7: here's the thing. When you get older, you're gonna find
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  Speaker 7: yourself being that rich woman. That's like you're probably gonna
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  Speaker 7: buy you a piece of dick here and there because you're.
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: Gonna feel power. It's gonna make you powerful.
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: You're gonna feel powerful like girl like they become expendable.
• 51:43
  Speaker 7: And then you start noticing the patterns like that. Men
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  Speaker 7: don't don't really change. And I'm not bashing men because
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: I don't want to date anything else but a man.
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  Speaker 5: But you just call it.
• 51:52
  Speaker 7: Gotta call a thing a thing, like men were bred
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  Speaker 7: to roam. That's why you always get the rich one,
• 52:01
  Speaker 7: and you settle with the rich ones, you understand, and
• 52:05
  Speaker 7: you fuck the young ones. Get into Polly. Are you
• 52:08
  Speaker 7: into Polly?
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  Speaker 6: No? No, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: I could have told you no. I'm that.
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  Speaker 2: Just based on what she's wearing and the way her hairstyle.
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  Speaker 5: She was not roth Polly.
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  Speaker 6: So I don't think I have the energy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the difference between men and women is that
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  Speaker 2: most women don't.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Have the fucking energy for that. Polyandre, polyamory.
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: Polyandry is when the woman has multiple husbands. That's that's
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: that's right married to her.
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: They don't cheat on her. Oh that's polyandry.
• 52:44
  Speaker 9: Who cares if they're cheating anyway, right, like miss andres Andre. Yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 9: So I feel like I dated so strategically, like don't worry,
• 52:53
  Speaker 9: I've got the high yield, the brokerage, the sepira roth Ira,
• 52:57
  Speaker 9: got the money on deck because of so strategically for
• 53:02
  Speaker 9: so long and making my own money, and so I guess.
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  Speaker 6: It's kind of like do I just like let my
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  Speaker 6: hair down and just like, yeah, have.
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  Speaker 1: Some fun on this, have some fun.
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  Speaker 2: You don't know what you're missing because you don't know
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  Speaker 2: you've been so focused on one like area and one
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  Speaker 2: zone that like open broaden your horizons you might come back.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, open it up, open.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Up the field and just like let anybody in that
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: seems to like strike an interest in.
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: You, as long as you're not paying for anything.
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  Speaker 3: I agree, Like make sure that whoever you're dating or
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Mary like, they can't touch your money. Yeah, yeah, we're
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  Speaker 3: getting I think she's.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: All right ready for what's up with money? Like, she's
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: the one who's good looking for people for their money.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: She's not going to be a victim of someone trying
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: to get her money.
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: Well, she can top with it.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: It can happen, and it has happened, but she seems
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  Speaker 2: to be pretty on top of it.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: I think you should just open.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Like just go into a casual mode of dating and
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  Speaker 2: date multiple people and have a good time and see
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: what's out there that you don't know that you like.
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: And be honest.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and tell them, because what I find is when
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: you tell a man that you're dating, is I need
• 54:05
  Speaker 7: to see who's gonna vibe vibe for the title. When
• 54:09
  Speaker 7: you tell them, yeah, like oh I'm dating somebody else.
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: It's like, oh, I'm not good, I'm not enough. Well
• 54:14
  Speaker 7: show me that you can be enough. The way that
• 54:16
  Speaker 7: you defeat men is you take from their playbook. The
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: only way that you are able to really control a
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: man is if you match a match a man's energy
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: with his all men worship me. If they don't worship
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: me out of it, that's not my man. And I'm
• 54:32
  Speaker 7: gonna tell him I have another friend, another guy, another gentleman,
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: because listen, that's what he's he's he's hiding that from me, sir.
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: Don't don't don't flip your phone over, don't hide your phone,
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: don't put it on silent.
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: Let it ring, because I'm gonna let mine ring.
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: Okay, So I should definitely hit up this twenty five
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: year old because I put it off because I was like,
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: I don't know, it's like this future in his career,
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: and like, who.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Gives a shit? Just stop with that right now, you've
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: already done that.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Just take like a six month sabbatical and have as
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: much fun as possible, okay, period and have.
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: Him on his knee. He has to be on his knees.
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  Speaker 5: And so.
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  Speaker 1: On to yah. Yeah, that's great, introduce a leash.
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  Speaker 3: Awesome. Thank you Stela, A thank you, thank you Bye.
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  Speaker 2: That's really two opposite ends of the spectrum of advice.
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  Speaker 2: We really offered her the whole spectrum. We're like, listen, bitch,
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  Speaker 2: we're like to do this.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but make sure that he that she is being paid.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: She needs to be getting paid for her work, loud
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: and clear.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: Well, our next color is Jessica, and she says, you're Chelsea.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: I'm a thirty five year old single woman, and in
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: February twenty twenty five, I had a bilateral SELP injectomy
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: because I am absolutely certain I do not want children.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: So before the surgery, is that words. I think it's
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: the Filippian tubes taken out, Okay, but it's basically she
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: got sterilized. So before the surgery, I constantly ran into
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  Speaker 3: men who assumed I would eventually change my mind about
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: having children. Some told me I was too young to
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: know for sure. Others seem convinced that if I met
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  Speaker 3: the right guy, I'd suddenly develop the desire to become
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: a mother. Part of the reason I chose permanent sterilization
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: was because I wanted to remove any ambiguity. I wasn't
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: on the fence, I wasn't waiting to be persuaded, and
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: I wasn't looking for someone to change my mind. And yet,
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: somehow this didn't solve the problem. Even though I'm very
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: clear on my dating profiles that I don't want children,
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: I keep matching with men who want kids, aren't sure
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: if they want kids, or think my life choices are
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: the opening bid in a negotiation. The most recent guy
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: told me he didn't want children either. Later I found
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: out he had actually fathered a child with a woman
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: he hooked up with in Mexico. His explanation was that
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: because he wasn't involved in the child's life, he considered
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: himself child free. I nearly sprained an eyeball rolling it.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: How do I find a partner who genuinely wants the
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: same child free.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Life I do?
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: Is there some secret screening question I'm missing or my
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: destined to spend every first date conducting a deposition and
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: presenting evidence that I really truly actually mean it when
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: I say I don't want kids. Sincerely, Jessica, Hi Jessica, Hello,
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: thanks for having me sure.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: This is TS Madison our special guests.
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  Speaker 5: Hi Jessica, Great, how are you tho?
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: What a Ricken? What does your dating profile say?
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe it needs to be bolder, like this is a
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: non negotiable issue. I will not and am not having
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: any children. It's not physically possible. So that please don't
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: come to me unless you're on the exact same page.
• 57:39
  Speaker 8: Right now, my dating profile says that I don't want children,
• 57:43
  Speaker 8: it doesn't say it's a non negotiable. I think I'm
• 57:47
  Speaker 8: just being a little too nice out there.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you see already too nice.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: So you have to be very straightforward with people, very
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: direct in these circumstances, because you don't want anyone approaching
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  Speaker 2: you that you're going to go on three dates with
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  Speaker 2: and then have the same conversation. That's a waste of
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: your time, So just cut out the waste. Make it
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: very clear, like this is not possible physically and I
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: have no desire, so I made it impossible. So if
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  Speaker 2: you're on the same page and want to live a
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  Speaker 2: life without children, please.
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  Speaker 1: Let me know. But we're not having a conversation about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And because men like can't be oursd to read
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  Speaker 3: your whole profile. I would also like as you're chatting
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: with someone before taking the time to meet up with them,
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: I would just be like, hey, I just like to
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: check because like, I'm so not on board with having
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: kids like them in the same place, or you sort
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: of waffle, you know, just like double check before you
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: waste your time on some guy. Right.
• 58:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm I'm laying Catherine Finnish sister, listen to me thoroughly.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 58:45
  Speaker 7: You have to understand that men send the representative first.
• 58:51
  Speaker 7: So the first person that you meet is the shall.
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  Speaker 5: Of the person.
• 58:54
  Speaker 7: It's it's it's who they you know what I'm saying,
• 58:57
  Speaker 7: It's like who they think that you want them to
• 59:01
  Speaker 7: know who they are. Let them talk, Let them talk,
• 59:07
  Speaker 7: let them explain, you know, rub their balls, not literally,
• 59:13
  Speaker 7: but just you know, stroke them, get them to just
• 59:16
  Speaker 7: like talk, so they'll tell you if they want kids,
• 59:20
  Speaker 7: or how they feel about kids, or you know, or
• 59:23
  Speaker 7: how they feel about Listen, anytime that I meet men,
• 59:28
  Speaker 7: I always just let them. I never tell them what
• 59:30
  Speaker 7: I like sexually, I never tell them what I like,
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: you know, physically, I let them do because this is
• 59:35
  Speaker 7: naturally who they are. This is naturally what they are.
• 59:38
  Speaker 7: And if the moment that you start telling them stuff
• 59:40
  Speaker 7: for you, so they'll they'll try to conform to that
• 59:44
  Speaker 7: and try to make you comfortable so they can get
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: in bed with you. And then later on you'll find out, well,
• 59:49
  Speaker 7: I want the kids anyway, but just let them talk.
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 59:52
  Speaker 7: Sometimes they'll tell you, shit, I got four kids on
• 59:55
  Speaker 7: my own. I don't want no more from kids, no more.
• 59:56
  Speaker 7: It's like, okay, so how many how many? How many
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 7: mothers are there? You know there's two? Okay, So what
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 7: I'm finding out is that you have four kids. Two
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 7: relationships didn't work out, you father two kid, and now
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 7: you're gone, and now you're a single man over here
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 7: with you you kick it with the family and the kits.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 7: Now you're not the dude for me. You might not
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 7: be the one for me because you you know whatever
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 7: or whatever it is that you however you feel you
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 7: know whatever you're looking for. Don't tell them what you're
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 7: looking for. Let them tell you who they are. My
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 7: profile is blank. If I'm on the dated, it's blank,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 7: thirty six twenty four, thirty six ten.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 7: I like that, and whatever we'll talk about the rest
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 7: of it. I'm thirty six, twenty four thirty six ten.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 7: If you don't, if you can't figure out what that
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 7: ten is, then that means you're not reading the profile right.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Anyway.
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  Speaker 2: I think you have your marching orders. You have to
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: be more direct and don't worry about being nice. Listen,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: we don't have time for that anymore. Yeah, you just
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: have to be direct with people, and you have to
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: be overly direct because this is your future.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: You're looking to find a partner.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: So it's better just to get all of like the
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: the chit chat out of the way and like and
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: and save yourself some time from going on dates with
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: people who aren't on the same page.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: And also, kudos to you for like knowing what you
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: wanted making it happen.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good for you for getting that done.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: I'm sure if more women knew I had an ablasion,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: which is basically they scorch your uterus.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: What's the procedure that you referenced in your letter.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 8: Bilateral self inject to me? So it's removing the fallopian tubes.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, good for you. That sounds very sexy.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: And you don't so you don't want any children at all?
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Well, she can't. What are you gonna have a little one?
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: They're her procedures a wrap. There's nothing happening there.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: And that's because you just she just never wanted any kids.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: No, no, you keep your ten ten inches away from her.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: She doesn't want to be would you, would you be
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: a step.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: No, it's a movement. It's happening people, it's a movement.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: Awesome, Thank you, Jessica, Jessica, have a great day.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: You too, you too.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 8: Bane.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: It pains me to say this, but we have to
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: wrap things up to now. Now, yeah, we do. I
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: know you're going on tour. You're going on your podcast tour.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: Outlaws is your podcast and you're going on your very
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: first podcast tour. Okay, so we were where can they buy.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 7: Tickets www dot Outlaws podcast dot com dot com.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, great, And you can catch t s. Madison on
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  Speaker 2: RuPaul's Drag Race, of course, and then Outlaws podcasts, TikTok,
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  Speaker 2: I loved having you. I'm sorry we don't have more
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: time together.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: Listen, we're gonna do something else. We'll do, I'll do.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 7: I feel that there's so much stuff that we can do.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 7: If you put ebony and ivory together, what magic would
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 7: it make? I want to thank you so much, Chelsea.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, of course.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: I really wish I could have delved deeper.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll have you back, and I'll come on yours.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: We'll make sure we keep a relationship.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: Go please, yes, because you're you're an idol of movie.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: I love you. I love you. Let me give you
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: a come on, come on girl, come on my name.
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