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Gordie Chiesa on Hour reacting to NBA Finals Game 1, Adjustments the Spurs must make, Adam Silver talking expansion + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Peace out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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  Speaker 2: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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  Speaker 2: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Come for the hoops talk. Stay for his list of
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  Speaker 3: the day.
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  Speaker 1: We listen today.
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  Speaker 2: Here's o C with basketball sab on Gordy Chiasa on
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  Speaker 2: the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome in Gordy Chiasa, longtime NBA coach, friend of the program,
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  Speaker 4: our resident NBA guru here at ESPN seven hundred and
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  Speaker 4: ninety twe AFM Gordy.
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  Speaker 3: Good to see you here in studio.
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  Speaker 1: How are you, Sean, I'm doing well, Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: New York Knicks up a game, one game into these
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  Speaker 4: NBA Finals. Really impressive ending sequence for the Knicks, for
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  Speaker 4: Brunson especially, and they steal one on the road in
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  Speaker 4: San Antonio.
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  Speaker 3: What was your.
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  Speaker 1: Reaction, grittiness?
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  Speaker 5: The Knicks refused to lose, led by their superstar, vastly
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  Speaker 5: underrated player, Jellen Brunson. But it's how they did it
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  Speaker 5: and schematically show. I heard you off the year before
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  Speaker 5: you were talking about the different parts. How did they
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  Speaker 5: nixt win will They changed the coverage in the second half,
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  Speaker 5: meaning this. In the first half, those open shots for
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  Speaker 5: three point shots that were going in by Champagne and
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  Speaker 5: those guys and by Dylan Harper, the Knicks had basically
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  Speaker 5: helped defense had two feet in the lane. In the
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  Speaker 5: second half, it was only one foot in the lane,
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  Speaker 5: but they kept the nail defender.
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  Speaker 1: Most times it was Josh Hart.
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  Speaker 5: They're much longer, so meaning this, they were able to
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  Speaker 5: contest the three point shot the Knicks when they were
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  Speaker 5: down fourteen in the third quarter. Schematically they made that adjustment.
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  Speaker 5: They executed perfectly, and that turned the game around. So
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  Speaker 5: the Spurs in the second half go two for nineteen
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  Speaker 5: from threes, and from corner threes they go zero for four.
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  Speaker 5: And so the showing just like in the NFL, the
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  Speaker 5: adjustment that the nuances are, how they did it right.
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  Speaker 5: Last point about that, I'm gonna get one just for
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  Speaker 5: a few seconds to get technical.
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  Speaker 1: And I explained the layman's term.
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  Speaker 5: All right Wemby, who struggled the whole game because of
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  Speaker 5: big on big most of the time. All Right, big
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  Speaker 5: on big meaning Anthony Towns of Robinson stayed on Wemby's body.
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  Speaker 5: But Wemby in the crucial part of the game with
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  Speaker 5: that turnover. That's what we call heavy nail, light nail,
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  Speaker 5: meaning this that the middle of the floor.
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  Speaker 1: Just picture the basket.
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  Speaker 5: Line goes straight out to the fire line extended to
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  Speaker 5: the middle of the floor.
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  Speaker 1: That's the nail defender, all right.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes the nail defender moves, which we call light nail,
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  Speaker 5: and sometimes he stays there. No matter what happens, he's
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  Speaker 5: at the nail to take rey. Middle drives, it'll drive.
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  Speaker 5: So Josh Hart was heavy nail coverage, stay there. Wemby
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  Speaker 5: didn't realize it. He tries to penetrate Middle and what
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  Speaker 5: his heart do, pick his pocket, steal crucial part of
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  Speaker 5: the game.
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  Speaker 1: What's the counter of that? The counter of that by
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  Speaker 1: any player.
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  Speaker 5: But it's hard for Wemby because being seven for three
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  Speaker 5: was when you dribble drive to the middle of the floor.
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  Speaker 5: You make a poors dribble to see instinctively is a
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  Speaker 5: nail gonna be heavy or light? He misread it and
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  Speaker 5: kept on going and I was just steal. So the
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  Speaker 5: nuances of playing in a playoff game, Yes, it does matter.
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  Speaker 5: It does matter, and the Nikobocker's made the right read
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  Speaker 5: and the second half to think away a three point shooting,
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  Speaker 5: they said on Wemby's body and they it took all
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  Speaker 5: of that to win a close game.
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  Speaker 1: And the brilliance of Jellen Brunson.
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  Speaker 4: Gordy going back to that heavy nail, light nail and
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  Speaker 4: that Josh Hart positioning.
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  Speaker 3: Who makes that call?
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  Speaker 4: Is that him in the run of play deciding all right,
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  Speaker 4: this is what I'm gonna do. Or did Mike Brown
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  Speaker 4: tell him during a time out or whatever? Hey, next
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  Speaker 4: time you see Wemby in there, you know, up there
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  Speaker 4: with the ball in his hand, I want.
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  Speaker 3: You to do this. Who who is the one who
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  Speaker 3: drives that decision?
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  Speaker 1: The coaching staff?
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  Speaker 5: They really schematically tremendous adjustments by the Nikobockers. And now
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  Speaker 5: now the Spurs turn. How do you encounter that? So
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  Speaker 5: it's done by the coaching staff and then Josh Hart again.
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  Speaker 5: The Knickerbockers are a gritty team that sounds weird saying,
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  Speaker 5: I know they won twelve games in a row, but
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  Speaker 5: they're still underrated because there are in other words, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the expression shown and the listeners that sometimes the total
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  Speaker 5: sum is greater than any of its parts. That's the Knicks.
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  Speaker 5: That the sum is greater and the roles are identified,
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  Speaker 5: and that Josh Hart stars in this role, so does
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  Speaker 5: Mickel Bridges, Anthony It's gonna be called. Towns made that
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  Speaker 5: adjustment that the top dog is Jalen Brunson and that
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  Speaker 5: he's able to deal with that mentally, and that helped
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  Speaker 5: the Knicks as far as winning twelve in a row
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  Speaker 5: again against good competition, but more importantly last night. So
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  Speaker 5: even though again Webby's on account of that Calntony Pounds
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  Speaker 5: really neutralized Wemby's impact in a game, did now play him,
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  Speaker 5: but neutralized him. So here's the quick metrics of it.
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  Speaker 5: Towns goes eighteen points, twelve rebounds from the field, seventy
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  Speaker 5: to fifteen. Wemby goes twenty six points, twelve rebounds, six
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  Speaker 5: for twenty one from the field. Chilly shooting, he got
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  Speaker 5: to the foul line, shot great from the foul line,
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  Speaker 5: and he had three blocks. But they need more from Wemby.
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  Speaker 5: But they need more also from everyone else in the
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  Speaker 5: team to try to get back, to try to wide
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  Speaker 5: win the next game.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, look, the Spurs had an abysmal shooting percentage
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  Speaker 4: from three and from the field. And you got to
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  Speaker 4: give credit where it's due to a defensive scheme like
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  Speaker 4: you were just talking about with New York, but like
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  Speaker 4: how much of that was guys were just maybe tight
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  Speaker 4: in their first finals game, were cold, the pressure of
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  Speaker 4: being at home whatever. Because the Aaron Fox three of thirteen,
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  Speaker 4: Champagnee five of eleven. Uh, he shot well from three
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  Speaker 4: though he's fifty percent from three. Web Minyama, who we
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  Speaker 4: already talked about, he was two of nine from three
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  Speaker 4: last night, and he turned the ball over six times.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think you're going to get many games like
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  Speaker 4: that from Victor Webbnyama.
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  Speaker 1: No, you're not, No, absolutely not. And so do you
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  Speaker 1: realize that?
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  Speaker 5: Uh? In last night's game, the uh, the two main
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  Speaker 5: guys meeting the Aaron Fox and when Byamba had had
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  Speaker 5: nine turnovers any game to combined, and they made nine
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  Speaker 5: field goals. Yeah, made nine field goals, nine turnovers and
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  Speaker 5: nine field goals, which shows illustration that that they've got
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  Speaker 5: to play better again. Part of it's the mental focus
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  Speaker 5: of it. This thing called the NBA Finals, This is intense.
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  Speaker 5: This is when you get exposure or you get exposed
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  Speaker 5: as a player, as a coach, as a referee, as
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  Speaker 5: a broadcaster, as a management group. And this is a
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  Speaker 5: it's fascinating the mainstream some of it that the Spurs
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  Speaker 5: are going to rally around everybody and the next game
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  Speaker 5: execute better. It wasn't lack of effort.
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  Speaker 1: It was not.
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  Speaker 5: Both teams played extremely hard. It was in that fourth
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  Speaker 5: quarter then you felt the Durney game though. At the
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  Speaker 5: Spurs are panic shooting just generally speaking, they panic shot
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  Speaker 5: when they were up fourteen. They didn't think it was over,
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  Speaker 5: but they just kept on firing shots versus White moving
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  Speaker 5: the d was the last time we saw the Spurs
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  Speaker 5: really drive a close out. When they drove a close out,
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  Speaker 5: they really didn't. They kept on shooting on perimeter. They
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  Speaker 5: stayed out. I call it outside outside versus White inside outside,
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  Speaker 5: to go back inside, go back outside. It was never
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  Speaker 5: it was always outside outside and you can't do that.
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  Speaker 4: One oh five ninety five the final score in San
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  Speaker 4: Antonio for Game one. And as we break down the
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  Speaker 4: rest of this series, as you break down when you
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  Speaker 4: talk about adjustments made during a game, and you talk
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  Speaker 4: about the call that this deep this coaching staff for
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  Speaker 4: New York Knicks made. Now the chess game really begins, right,
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  Speaker 4: because if you're the San Antonio Spurs, you came into
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  Speaker 4: this game kind of anticipating the way that they were
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  Speaker 4: gonna that New York was going to try to handle
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  Speaker 4: Victor Winmanyama first, and then by extension, guys like Harper,
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  Speaker 4: guys like the Aaron Fox. So you had a guess,
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure on what people, excuse me, what they were
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  Speaker 4: going to do. Now you've seen it. Now Victor Winmanyama
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  Speaker 4: has felt it. Now you're gonna go back and you're
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  Speaker 4: gonna do your film study and you're gonna say, all right,
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  Speaker 4: this is how they're handling this scenario, and you could
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  Speaker 4: make your own adjustments on that. This is where we
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  Speaker 4: have seen And I think you probably heard me referencing
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  Speaker 4: that Game five of the Western Conference Final against Oklahoma City.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of.
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  Speaker 4: People stuck the fork in San Antonio then and said
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  Speaker 4: they are done. And obviously they made the necessary adjustments,
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  Speaker 4: both as individual players and as a team, and they
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  Speaker 4: won the next two and they advanced to the NBA Finals.
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  Speaker 4: So what does it actually look like, Gordy? Where it's
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  Speaker 4: no longer a predictive exercise, it's no longer guesswork on
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  Speaker 4: how the New York Knicks are going to approach you.
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  Speaker 3: Now you've seen it, now you know it. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure New.
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  Speaker 4: York will do that thing where they're like, all right,
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  Speaker 4: well they've seen this from us, now give them something else.
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  Speaker 4: But walk me through what it's like in the film
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  Speaker 4: rooms and the coaching staff discussions as san Antonio adjusts
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  Speaker 4: to New York winning that first game.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the first thing is that they've got to adjust defensively.
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  Speaker 5: They've got to create more havoc. So last night the
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  Speaker 5: Nikobakers really valued the possession to the ultimate. They had
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  Speaker 5: seven first half turnovers, one into second half, and the
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  Speaker 5: only turnout they had was that that Law pass to
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  Speaker 5: Robinson and he thought that he was the shot was
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  Speaker 5: gonna be taken by Brunson. And so they've their defense
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  Speaker 5: has to be more proactive causing havoc. That you can't
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  Speaker 5: let Heart handle the ball, and there was Heart's only
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  Speaker 5: an average ball handler. The way he played last night,
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  Speaker 5: he was able to make plays because they didn't pressure him.
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  Speaker 5: And so they've got to get better a better ball
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  Speaker 5: pressure as far as doing doing that. And also add
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  Speaker 5: to that, they've got to do a better job of starting.
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  Speaker 5: Victor wembyond a low. So for example, most times he
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  Speaker 5: spent his residency on perimeter, which is act his game.
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  Speaker 5: But in the in the slot versus get him at
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  Speaker 5: the elbow where it's just the one catch. Then elevate
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  Speaker 5: as far as if you're going to dribble drive, try
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  Speaker 5: to elevate. Also Wember's got to try to do is
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  Speaker 5: that they forced him into the help defense. He's got
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  Speaker 5: to go more right handed. So think about when he
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  Speaker 5: got in trouble, he was going to his left hand
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  Speaker 5: in the middle of the floor. I'm saying is that
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  Speaker 5: if you got it gonna dribble, first go left, meddle
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  Speaker 5: there's a decoy, and then bring it back to your
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  Speaker 5: strong hand and go to the rim. This angle versus
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  Speaker 5: what middle of the floor to take away? What theil
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  Speaker 5: take away? The heavy nail, the heavy nail, take it away,
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  Speaker 5: And they didn't do that. It's the adjustment. Also, the
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  Speaker 5: last part is this, during the course of the game,
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  Speaker 5: did you ever see well, this is really great. The
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  Speaker 5: spros is setting on so many different screens. There was
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  Speaker 5: hardly any screening at all. It was all what just
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  Speaker 5: on perimeter pass past past, then try to drive it
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  Speaker 5: versus what screen the screening component. I'm saying, just naturally
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  Speaker 5: screen more to get the defense loose off you than
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  Speaker 5: what then try to strike attack.
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  Speaker 1: That's the adjustment I would make.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna keep picking Gordy's brain. We've got him for
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  Speaker 4: another forty five minutes or so. We're rolling here on
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  Speaker 4: a Thursday edition of The Sean O'Connell Show ESPN seven
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  Speaker 4: hundred and ninety two one FM.
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  Speaker 2: Your team is a Sean O'Connell show for the Murdoch
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  Speaker 2: a half am.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 4: Gordia Jasey here in studio with us on Thursdays during
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  Speaker 4: the basketball season. We get him for an hour, so
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  Speaker 4: we're going to keep him for.
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  Speaker 3: The whole hour.
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  Speaker 4: We spend a lot of time in the first segment
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  Speaker 4: with Gordy talking about San Antonio, what went wrong for
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  Speaker 4: them in Game one, a loss as New York takes
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  Speaker 4: it one oh five ninety five, and of course the
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  Speaker 4: adjustments in San Antonio could potentially make but New York's
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  Speaker 4: go have a lot to say, especially as long as
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  Speaker 4: Jalen Brunson is healthy in this series, because as I
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  Speaker 4: was ranting about in the opening segment of the show,
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  Speaker 4: he was absolutely brilliant down the stretch. I mean, and
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  Speaker 4: not just with ball dominance. I got the ball in
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  Speaker 4: my hand, I'm going to affect it by by making
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  Speaker 4: a shot here. I mean, he was keeping possessions alive.
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  Speaker 4: That that tip on a on a mist where he
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  Speaker 4: tipped the ball back out. I can't remember who it
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  Speaker 4: was that grabbed the rebound. It was Michael Bridges. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and if he doesn't make that play, this game goes
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  Speaker 4: potentially differently because we were far from settled at that point.
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  Speaker 3: So the brilliance of Jalen Brunson.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely so with Jell and D last night, he showed
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  Speaker 5: up and showed out the whole game, thirteen points in
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  Speaker 5: a fourth quarter. He couldn't shoot straight during the game,
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  Speaker 5: but when it matted he did. He's unbelievad I call
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  Speaker 5: a bumping cart bumping cart finisher converted the way he plays.
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  Speaker 5: And I mentioned Sean on on Thursday excreming on Tuesday,
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  Speaker 5: where I said to yourself and the audience, I'm intrigued
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  Speaker 5: by if the NBA factor beyond the factor will affect
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  Speaker 5: you and brunst it in the lane. And you know
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  Speaker 5: something it did not last night, did not, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 5: He's a you know that footwork dancing as far as
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  Speaker 5: and that stop and go. There was a lot of
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  Speaker 5: times in the game showing when guys drive to the
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  Speaker 5: basket players they got themselves by keeping the ball in
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  Speaker 5: the same hand and the same rhythm of the cadence
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  Speaker 5: of penetrating. What Brunson does great is that stop and
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  Speaker 5: go herky jerky. He uses his speed and is a
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  Speaker 5: low center of gravity to his advantage right now, and
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  Speaker 5: so when offensively he's able to get his shoulder and
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  Speaker 5: his hips into the guy guarding him to create that separation.
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  Speaker 5: So the thirty points were absolutely critical. And you know
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  Speaker 5: that three point Shoddy made from the corner. It was
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  Speaker 5: only second three of the game. He shot for the contest,
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  Speaker 5: two for nine, for the gate, for the for the
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  Speaker 5: for the battle, and this show when he does it. Okay, Sean,
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  Speaker 5: you saw that New York crowd on the street of
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  Speaker 5: Midtown Manhattan next to the guard and you say, everybody
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  Speaker 5: partying like it's nineteen ninety nine.
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  Speaker 1: You saw that already, and.
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  Speaker 3: So purely, by the way.
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  Speaker 4: Normally when we talk about partying like it's nineteen ninety nine,
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  Speaker 4: it's just to quote the song.
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  Speaker 3: It was actually nineteen ninety nine. The last time this
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  Speaker 3: team at this fan base was in the finals.
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  Speaker 1: I like it. That's exactly right.
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  Speaker 5: Ironically against the Spurs too, where was he lost four
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  Speaker 5: games to one when pator Ewing heard his achilles and
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  Speaker 5: could not play. And that was a Tim Duncan first championship,
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  Speaker 5: one of five. So now you're New Yorker, Sean, I know,
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  Speaker 5: showing your you're a QUASEI of New Yorker, you like
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  Speaker 5: I wanna be.
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  Speaker 1: I know you are.
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  Speaker 5: And James Peas and also James a is a wannabe
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  Speaker 5: Queen's eight all right. So I was saying to friends
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  Speaker 5: of mine, these crazy friends of mine, showing I know,
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  Speaker 5: for a thousand years back in New York there were
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  Speaker 5: partying last night, not not in next to next to
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  Speaker 5: the garden, but there were home partying. I said foolishly
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  Speaker 5: that Jalen Brunson right now is tied with Frank Sinatra,
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  Speaker 5: Pope Leo and the Beastie Boys as far as being
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  Speaker 5: the most influential of New Yorker as of right now, Sean,
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  Speaker 5: you agree with me Frank Sinatra, Pope Leo and the
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  Speaker 5: Beastie boys.
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  Speaker 3: That wouldn't be that wouldn't necessarily be less. But I
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  Speaker 3: like yours. You're the expert here.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, So that's the power of what. Also, let's go
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  Speaker 5: over some of the quick roles of this underrated player.
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  Speaker 5: Do you realize last night with Josh Hart, that hustle player,
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  Speaker 5: he's six foot five and a half, Like, he plays
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  Speaker 5: so hard and he has so much great about himself
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  Speaker 5: and he understands his role. His role is to what
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  Speaker 5: be a secondary scorer, be a ball mover. Offensively, be
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  Speaker 5: a willing screener and defensively be a junkyard dog. But
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  Speaker 5: most of all, hey, I love crashing the boards both
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  Speaker 5: an offensive defense. So last night, only two players in
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  Speaker 5: NBA Finals history registered fifteen plus rebounds in a game,
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  Speaker 5: had five assists and no turnovers. They are Dennis Schrodman
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  Speaker 5: and last night Josh Hart. Wow, that's it history of
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  Speaker 5: the NBA Finals Dennis Shrodman and Josh Hart. That's how
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  Speaker 5: powerful the games were. As far as his game, So
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  Speaker 5: last night with the fifteen rebounds, six assists, and four
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  Speaker 5: steals in a game he tied Larry Birds is the
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  Speaker 5: most recent player ever have those numbers in the game. Also,
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  Speaker 5: so Josh Hart. He tied Rodman and he tied Bird
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  Speaker 5: in exact same game. And people say to me, people
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  Speaker 5: would say to him, what's his name?
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Is it Josh Hart? It was it Kevin Hart?
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Like what what?
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: What?
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: What's his name? And I'm I'm hitting you a.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Little taller than Kevin Hart.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, But.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: Besides, besides, the way he plays is that he plays
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: with a joy. And that's what makes it so interesting.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: It sounds so cornball. It's not guess why you have
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: to like your teammates and the nov Knickeobockers, they'll go
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: back to the college days. And now suddenly along with
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: the ride now is called Anthony Towns. And also Mitchell
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: Robinson and Land and Shaman, Land and Shaman off the bench.
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: That guy comes in the game. He can make threes
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: and he's gritty defensive player. So the Knicks a well positioned. Now,
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: if you're the Nickeobockers, you're sitting, you're sitting right now
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: in the they Alamo City. You maybe walking right now.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: It's a one o'clock back back in the Central time Zone.
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: They'll probably have to walk through. They're probably walking around
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: on the river Walk in San Antonio. The thing right
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: now is that you think he played hard this game,
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: next game, you gotta play even twice as hard and
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: execute even more and be more gritty and crunch time
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: to knock out the Spurs, who'll be ready for it.
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: Should be a fascinating Game two and Game three again
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: will be on Monday night, so short this weekend. There's
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: no NBA games because there's a bigger things going on
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: in sports. So they through ABC decided to what have
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: they get Monday night?
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: What could possibly be bigger in sports? You know, Stanley
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: Cup final, yeap World Cup, coming.
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: World Cup, coming showing, and they cut those prices down
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: in case you're wondering, Yeah, cut them down dramatically.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: Not yet in my price range as a tried and
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: true cheap skate, but we're almost there.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: No, but you're not showing.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: But Nicobacker tickets now, people tell me to sit lower Bowl,
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: all right, So those nine thousand seats and most I'm
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: giving you take either nine or ten thousand seats in
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: Lower Bowl including the Delta Center for the Nicobacker game.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: In game three.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: Most of those seats showing are going now for if
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: you haven't bought tickets already, are going now on the
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: market roughly between five to eight thousand dollars per seat.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't mean to ruin your and then Gordon in.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Court side seats are going crazy.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: So I heard how if you go to ESPN, they
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: tell you the get in price for the games. Right
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: you look at the schedule.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I saw a one million dollar one two uh so right.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: Now on vivid Seats, which is somehow the ESPN partner
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: lower The cheapest lower bowl seat listed right now on
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: Vivid Seats is ninety two hundred dollars.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, nine thousand, okay.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: The the cheapest upper bowl seat right now is seventy
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: two hundred dollars.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Yikes. And they call it and they call that in
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the gouard in the blue skies. What are we doing?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: They call that the blues meaning blue sky.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Suddenly, World Cup tickets look like an absolute bargain.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: You're exactly right again, but it's once in a lifetime.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: But you're if you're in a long suffering Nicobacker fan
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: or any other fan base of your team, Hey, I
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: waited my whole lifetime. Philip blankson last time they did
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: it was a Nickels was nineteen seventy three. I went
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: over you let on Tuesday back in seventy three, the
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: price of Guess who was President? I was wearing bell
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: bottom showing you know, back in back in nineteen seventy three,
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: et cetera, the whole thing. But it just shows you
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: though how long it was. Now for the Spurs, the
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: last championship was twenty fourteen, so it's almost recent. And
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: that's why the fans. Hey without the NBA, without the end,
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: without the fans, there's no NBA without the fans, there's
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: no NFL without defense, there's no Major Bate, no League Baseball.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: And that's why the fans, that's why they want to
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: go to these games and are willing to spend all
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: this money. So it should be again, it should be
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: absolutely fascinating. It's going to be intense. Who's gonna win?
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: We're gonna find out. But I all I know is
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: this that in any situation in a playoff game, offensively,
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: you've got to make something out of nothing. That's why
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: I called chaos scoring because the defense is so fast
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: and schematically so sound. You've got to be able to
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: do something with your feet and with the ball at
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: the same time.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: I'm getting stuck on this ticket cost disparity happening right now,
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: because if you want to go to Game two in
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: San Antonio, it's about eight hundred dollars.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: And that's actually reasonable.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: If you want to go to Game three, it's about
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: eight thousand dollars. It costs ten times more to go
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: to one of these games in New York City. If
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: you're a Knicks fan, you'd actually be better served to
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: get yourself a first class plane ticket and a nice hotel,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: fly to San Antonio, go have some Pinkerton's barbecue, which
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: is my favorite in San Antonio, and.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Maybe watch your team steal another one on the road.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Ohely, there was.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: A lot of Knicks fans there last night. You know else,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: there's a bunch of Knicks fans in there.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: I observe this because you don't get that, like you've said,
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: you get that Hollywood front row at the Garden, like
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: you do at the Staples Center. What's it called now,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: the crypto dot com Marina. If you were watching last
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: night and you're a comic, if you're a stand up
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: comedy fan. There were a lot of famous stand up
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: comics in New York knicks gear sitting in those first
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: few rows. Because Austin, Texas has become like the stand
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: up comedy capital of the United States, and a lot
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: of those guys are either living temporarily or have fully
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: relocated to Austin, Texas. So that's a quick that's an hour.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: It's a little drive down the road to from Austin
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: to San Antonio. So all these New York comedians are
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: in their next gear watching in San Antonio very much.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Also, you dent to that.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: Besides the economics of it, they also in Texas has
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: no state InCom text, so that's part of why they
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: relocated to Austin.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Whild you really pretty hip place? It really is. Yeah,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Austin's very hip. It is by being hip right now.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: It all starts showing by playing body the body on
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: Wenby's hip. Wenby's got a white, release that hip and
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: get white, get a showlder By them. So share we
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: all showing talking about hips, talking about shoulders all right.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: Even as the NBA Finals are unfolding, the league office,
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Adam Silver, He's dealing with some other bigger fish that
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: he's got a Friday. We'll get into some of those
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: in our next segment. Also, I have not yet picked
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: Gordy's brain on you know, fan interactions. I'm sure Gordy's
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: tackled the streaker or two in his day as an
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: NBA coach.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: We'll get there.
• 24:24
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  Speaker 4: eight six. All right, bad fan behavior on display last night,
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: About six minutes left, and some moron runs onto the
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: field to take a selfie with Victor Webbinyama, who handled it.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: He was sort of just bemused. He was like, what
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: is this guy doing here? He had kind of a
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: half smile on his face. He didn't let it get
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: under his skin. He's really, really gracious with fans, even
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: ones who are doing stupid stuff. But Gordy, you've been
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: around the league forever. I imagine you saw some bad
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: fan behavior at some point, Yeah.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: Very much I have. Also, it's after this, there's no
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: place for that. And he did a good job security
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: of running after the guy to get it. Just think
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: about it. The fans is so close to the players,
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: literally you can touch each other. And that's how crazy
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: it is sometimes in the game. And that guy, I'm
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: sure showing be put in jail got a huge fine.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: He'll be in jail for X amount of uh months,
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: I'm assuming, and that it's only funny now, it's only
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: it was only funny last night. But that now the
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: rest of the good job as far as getting out
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: of the end of there. And so did the security
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: One time in jazz basketball a long long time ago,
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: call him alone, let's say it was rather a big
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: human being. There was a heckler on the baseline at
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: the at the Arena in Oakland and he was harassing call.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: He was a muscle man too.
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: He's a big guy, just like call harassing, call flexing
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: this muscles, et cetera. And the referee was Bob Delaney
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: for the for the younger listeners right now. Bob Delaney
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: is a former NBA official. Before becoming a full time
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: official in the NBA, he was he was a New
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: Jersey State trooper that was that went undercover, part of
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: the mafia undercover now, yeah, when he was twenty something
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: years old. So with that mentality, he became a referee,
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: and he was fearless in a good in a good way,
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: so he kept He won the guy one time, Hey fellow,
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: I'm simplifying the anguage. Hey fella, you don't want to
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: do that, do you. As far as harassing call, we
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: call it during timeouts, he's right out. He's right on
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: literally on a part of our bench almost like. And
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: so Bob Laney kept on wanting the guy, and then
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: he said to Bob Nanny said to the guy, hey, listen,
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: besides call knocking you out before a call does it,
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: I'll knock.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: You out before he doesn't.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: And then the guy, of course, you know, took that
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: personal and he he just got up again for the
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: fifth time in a row, got up, and then Bob
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: Delaney kicked him out of the game, and the security
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: guards took him out of there. Took it like five
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: guys take him out of there, never gonna be seen again.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: So it does happen. There's no place in there for
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: any sports right now. And thank god nothing happened during that.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: Just the frustrating thing about it is like it's a
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: during run of play, an important sequence of the game,
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: and thankfully, you know, nobody's shot got affected by it.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: They ended up just resetting with a jump ball after
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: reviewing some tape and whatnot. Man, kids, like Cordy said,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: the fans are so close. If you want to be
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: able to stay close, you can't act like that. I
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: mean the NBA if stuff like this continues, if if
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: if that sort of thing became commonplace, it would look
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: like an NHL game. They put up boards and you
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be able to have those interactions with players, the
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: positive ones.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah very much.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: Also, Sean, do you realize that in the uh, the
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: Puerto Rican Summer League, which a lot of NBA players,
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: especially fringe guys, playing it for money, that it's the
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: same problem happens all the time. The guys play in
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: the cage like wow, around the court is like wire cages,
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: and so that's so in Puerto Rico.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: It's league.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: So that's that's how Sean, that's the rabid fans and
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: the Puerto Rican as far as the fans, and that's
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: how the players, how they performed it. You don't want
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: you don't want that in the NBA. The NBA, like
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: like all sports teams, they won't have the fans interaction.
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: They want to have access to the players during the
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: game where they can really see the intensity of the moment.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: And that's what happens. So thank god, nothing bad bad
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: during that game. It was really it was a role
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: played hard for a battle with the Knickerbockers winning. So
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: let's see, I'm sure right now showing the NBA security
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: reviewing right now, how can they stop this again? Maybe now,
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: maybe they might make some adjustments where an extra three
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: or four security people who will be looking out for
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: any sort of any during timeouts members showing the team security.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: They're taught during timeouts to look and don't look at
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: the players who the what and the who they work with.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: They're taught, they're they're taught to why look out into
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: the stands to see if anybody's come out of the court.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: So next time you go to the NBA game, the
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: security by the team, those three or four people are
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: looking in the crowd.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: That so in case nothing happens to the players.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: It's worth noting that even the worst fan behavior in
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: the United States has not yet reached European levels of
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: bad fan behavior.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Remember a few years back where.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Italian soccer they had to have no fans in the
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: stadium for a while. I'm just reading some things here.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Inter Milan this season they had a three match travel
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: band if you couldn't go to an away game because
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: they were throwing flares on the field. Roma and Fiorentina.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Supporters from both clubs banned from attending away matches for
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: the rest of this season in twenty twenty six because
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: they were they were having these major clashes involving weapons
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: on the A one motorway, the highway between the stadiums.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: Yikes, yeah, jikes. Also left out another component. Oh, by
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: the way, gambling. Oh yeah, so we don't know about
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: that fan last night or his buddies. You know, I'm
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: sure you know what happens to here A lot of
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: times with young people, just generally speaking, it's almost like
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: peer pressure. I dare you to do that I'll give
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: you a thous and dollars to do that whatever, whatever
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: the numbers might be.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: And that's what happens.
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: As far as during that course of that incident, he
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: might have been dad by his alleged friend Slash Cohorts.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, apparently there was another there was a second shooter,
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: so to speak. There's another guy involved. Both of them
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: have been banned for life from NBA games. Okay, and
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: you're young, you know how bad that is. When you're
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: in your early twenties, you don't get to go to
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: an NBA game for the rest of your life.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Idiots.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: All Right, some comments from the Commissioner's office regarding some
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: other business going on around the league as we approach
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: an NBA draft. Obviously the finals are the headliner here,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: but you've got an NBA draft coming up. Utah Jazz
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: will be picking number two there. Aj Debontsa, who played
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: his college ball down at BYU, is expected to be
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: pick number one. If not that, he would definitely be
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: pick number two. So Adam Silver, you know, a state
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: of the Union type stuff that we hear from him
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: all the time. One thing that was interesting here, uh,
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: he talked about expansion in the league. Gordy, what's a
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: firm decision by the end of this year on whether
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: or not Seattle will get a team, Vegas will get
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: a team, et cetera. It feels like the NBA is
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: a growth property. They're gonna add more teams, right, Yes,
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: they are, very much. They're gonna add two teams. It's
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: probably gonna be Seattle and Las Vegas. Which who's gonna
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: move to the east?
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to the east, it should be.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: Memphis Grizzlies because the natural partner would be Atlanta Hawks.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Sure, and possibly possibly.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: Minnesota moving to the Midwest with Chicago and that those
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: people Milwaukee possible, and a fallback might be they might
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: move two teams from.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Besides.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: Besides Memphis, New Orleans could move to the East end
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: because again it's the same time zone as far as
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: the coast, and they're part of the Central time zone
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: as far as playing it. So that's all part of
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: it that'll be worked out. I'm assuming Sewing that they're
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: getting ready for it. It takes roughly two full offseason
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: to get anything organized. So again, this is next year's
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: twenty six twenty seven. I'm assuming that the expansion will
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: start in twenty eight twenty nine.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: More intriguing was the conversation about a European league, a
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: European NBA. We know EuroLeague basketball has been a major
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: thing for a long time. You can make an argument
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: that it's, you know, it's the second best league. It's
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: it's better than the G League for some people. So
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: the proposal is a sixteen team league. Twelve are permanent teams,
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: permanent NBA affiliated teams, and then EuroLeague teams that are
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: already existing will have put the ability to play into
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: this year European NBA, so much like you get with
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: soccer over there, promotion and relegation potentially.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: I love this.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: This is something it's really really cool in European sport.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: We don't have anything like it in American sports. To
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: have an NBA at an American league in the NBA
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: be willing to at least explore that possibility. Plenty of
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: details that have to be worked out. I love the
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: idea of an NBA league going over and establishing a
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: footprint in Europe, but also not just saying hey, we're
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: here to take over. We're going to eliminate, you know,
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: all of this long standing tradition you've got integrating some
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: of the EuroBasket teams would be really neat.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very much.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: So.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: The question right now is the players' union is that
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: who plays in it? Do you do?
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: The players live over there all the time, as far
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: as in season, and that how many teams go over
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: there to play?
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: That's the question.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: They have to work it out and the players union
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: will be in involved to the ultimate It's a great concept. Also,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: FOEBA is involved in this. Is that you're you're saying
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: the FEVER then, which is the governing body of European League,
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: that we think we can do this better than feb
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: than you guys do. And so we'll see how it
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: all plays out. Now you realize that Luca Dantage and
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: Donnie Nelson Junr. The former general manager of the Dallas Mavericks,
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: they bought a team already. Interesting, Yeah, Luca Dantig, Yeah,
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: in Italy. I want to say to the either Milano
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: or Rome if I said the wrong thing, I read
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: it recently, So Milano or Rome, Donnie Nelson, Luca Dantag,
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: So I'm.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Gonna look it up. We have these computers, might as
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: well use might as well use them.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: So this shows you that that there's interest by to
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: try and investing in investing in that by NBA players.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Okay, So Vanoni Cramona is the name of the team
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: that they purchased, and they're in the Italian Serie A,
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: so their top league, top bag. Yeah topic, and there
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: they plan on relocating the team to Rome for the
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty six twenty twenty seventh season.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: So again they're getting ready for possibly to be entry
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: level into that proposed league right now.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: So again, sports is global.
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: Oh, by the way, in the sporting world, the whole
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: world's two blocks long shown that everyone knows someone else
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: and knows someone else, and that now with the with
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: the digital footprint of every organization and worldwide, that the
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: direct access at any moment, any second should say as
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: far as what is going on around the global sports world,
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: the whole world's two blocks long.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Admitally it makes perfect sense here the remember there was
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: an NFL Europe, NFL Europe. There was a time where
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: you know, the the global push from the NFL, they
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: had franchises over in Europe. And that is not a
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: sport that has yet been embraced by the European continent.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Obviously basketball has, so potentially you know, using much like
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: the G League is used player development. I mean, it
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: feels like it could only improve not only the footprint
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: of the game of basketball, but your talent scouting and
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: your development of young players who maybe need another year
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: or two. Oftentimes those guys end up in euro League,
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: sometimes they go down to New Zealand, sometimes they're playing
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: in China.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Whatever. But this would be really really cool and I
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: think beneficial on both ends for the NBA.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: You mentioned the match you're worried about scouting. It's exactly right.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: So the scouting is absolutely critical internationally. And I have
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: a short segment showan that I wanted to hit upon.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: It's about BYU basketball. You mentioned about aj Debontcer should
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: be the.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: First pick coming up, should be pick number one, had
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: a hilarious appearance on Gilbert Arenas's podcast that we're gonna
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: get to later on the show today.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: Okay, so here's just a quick synopsis of BYU players
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: selected in the top ten of the end draft. It's
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: very short numbers. So in b you best BYU basketball history,
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: which is really a tremendous, tremendous accomplishment. How many guys
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: were picked in the top ten.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Here we go.
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: It's only five players so far and AJ will be
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: number six. So just think about only six players total
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: eventually have been at the top ten in BYU basketball history.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: Mel Hutchins back in nineteen fifty one was the second
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: pick of the draft. Seven seven year NBA career. He
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: was a Rookie of the year, four time All Star.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: Sean Bradley nineteen ninety three, second pick of the draft,
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: had a twelve year NBA career half of El Haroujo,
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: Brazil in two thousand and four with the eighth pick
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: of the draft. Sean had had a very short three
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: year career. Jim of Fredet with a tenth pic of
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: the draft in twenty eleven, had his six year NBA career.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: Last year, Diegor Demon, Russian eight pick of the draft
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: by the Nets his rookie season. He played only last year.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: This past year should say fifty two games. He had
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: a left foot plane fasciatis. He averaged ten point three
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: points per game, three point three assists, shot in the
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: field thirty nine point three percent, and three point range
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: which was remarkable thirty eight point three. That's it, showing
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: only five guys in previous BYU basketball history were picked
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: in the top ten. And now AJ should be picked
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: by the Wizards number one. That's how hard it is
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: to be that. Now what who will say? What about
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: Danny Inge? I looked it up and I thought the
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: same thing. Danny Inge wasn't picked in the top ten.
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: The answer is no, he was not. Back in nineteen
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: eighty one, Danny Ainge was picked at number thirty one Sewan,
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: which was which was the second round.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Wow, second round.
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: And Danny had a wonderful fourteen year old career, two
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: NBA titles with the Celtics and one All Star appearance
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: also with the Celtics. So the greatest player in NBA
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: BYUO NBA history was Danny Ainge was picked at number
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: thirty one. Now let's fast forward and more importantly, a
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: few weeks from now, the agent de Boncer would pick
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: pick number one by the Washington Wizards. He'll join that
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: very very short list of people that were picked in
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: the top ten BYO Basketball. Next Thursday in my studio again,
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna give a list of the Utah youth players
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: as far as picked in the top ten. So it's
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: the wh should be loud and proud right now about
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: BYU basketball. Aj of the boncer about his going to
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: be future accomplishments.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: Were gott, I'm gonna have to do some research to
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: make sure that we can verify this. But because you
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: mentioned Danny Ainge. According to Wikipedia, which of course never lies,
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: Danny Ainge was first Team All American in high school,
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: first Team All American in football, basketball, and baseball, and
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: as the only person in history to be named in
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: the Parade magazine first Team All American in all three.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: That's impossible that in that city was Eugene, Oregon, that's
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: he grew up in.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah he was.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: He was a top Oregon football recruit, played wide receiver. Obviously,
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: he got drafted into Major League Baseball. He got drafted
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: into the NBA. Sure you know he I think he
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: picked the right one. It worked out for him, okay
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: in basketball, not only in his career, but obviously he's
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: made a nice life for himself with his post career
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: accomplishments very much.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: How about a guy named Sean and Yester year we
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: all loved him, Bo Jackson.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Bo Jackson couldn't play hoop though, I know, but
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: or maybe he could.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Sorry, but but everything else he could do.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: Bo Jackson you're probably out there listening right now. Maybe
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: maybe you were also a great basketball player. But guys
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: that are that athletic usually it takes them, you know,
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: about five minutes to suddenly get good at everything.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and also in pickup games, those guys always come
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: down the floor and dunk and someone's knocking.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: You know, they play different sports.
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: And Bo Jackson was this unbelievable football player, unbelievable baseball player.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: You talk about being gifted fast twitch muscles, which is
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: huge right now, and how he played the game. And
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: he was one of the all time great all around
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: athletes and he had a let's say the obvious, he
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: had a winning, winning game.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: He was a multi event track athlete at Auburn University,
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: including being a All American football player and Heisman Trophy winner.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: So like the athletics, is it's unfair that some guys
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: have that, but man, that's what we love to watch.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: And also for.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: Nike, for the go on, go on YouTube, look it
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: up where they had these great commercials with Nike about
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: Bo Jackson and Bo Diddley and the catchway was who
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: knows Bo knows more? And that's when the commercial was.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: It was actually a Hite commercial. It was absolutely with
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: people resonated. They loved it with Bo Jackson and this
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: loose singer jazz man Bo Diddley, because you know Sean,
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: Bo knows.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: There was there's a legend about Bo Jackson where he
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: was running the de Kathlon and there's a fifteen hundred
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: meter run as part of the decathlon event. He was
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: so far ahead in the decathlon because he had won
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: everything else that he didn't run the fifteen hundred meter
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: because he hates distance running. So if you do nine
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: of the ten and you can still win a de Kathlon,
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: you are an alien.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Yes you are.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: Showing list today. I want to hear it is iconic
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: NBA players without a championship title. Yeah, these guys. I
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: feel for every guy here because this listed right now.
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: You'll hear about these people, you'll know them and you'll
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: respect their game. But unfortunately they didn't win a championship.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: Talented players don't win championships. Elite teams do. It's a
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: big difference. So you could be a talented player for
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: your team is not elite.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Here we go.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: It's a list number twenty five Devin Booker, Number twenty four,
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: Dame Lillard number twenty three, James Harden number twenty two,
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: Luca Dantag number twenty one, Chris Paul number twenty, Alex
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: English number nineteen, Vince Carter number eighteen, Kamelo Anthony number seventeen,
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: Tracy McGrady number sixteen, Chris Weber number fifteen, Bob Lanier
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: number fourteen, Chris Smullen number thirteen, Bernard King number twelve,
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: Pete Maravich number eleven, Dan Issel number ten, the Iichman,
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: George Gerving number nine, Dominique Wilkins number eight, elgend Baylor
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: number seven, Ai Allen Iverson number six, Reggie Miller number five,
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: Steve Nash number four, Patrick Ewing number three, Charles Barkley
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: number two, John Stockton number one, called Malone. These twenty
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: five unbelievable players have never won a championship quickly in
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: a present tense four players are now seeking their first
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: coveted NBA title and this year's twenty twenty six NBA Finals.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: They are gonna be either Spurs victor Wenbiyama or Stephen
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: Cassel or Nick Obaker's Jellen Brunson or call Anthony Towns. Finally,
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: those guys or young people might win an NBA title.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: So that's how hard it is to be to win
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: a championship. You need other trusted sidekicks to help you
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: what form an elite team.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: It's pretty unbelievable how many guys you just rattled off
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: that are obvious Hall of famers, that are some of
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: the best to ever do it, that are so universally expected,
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: and they exist in every sport. We talk about him
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: in football, we talk about him in baseball.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Showing a football hoold that. But you think we'll talk I.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Mean, Dan Marino is the guy you never won.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah right.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: He's often considered one of the best quarterbacks, and he's
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: the guy who never actually won a championship. Dan Marino's
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: the first name that jumps to mind for me.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: That's a good one too.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: There's a bunch of guys and in the NBA those
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: I mean you were just talking about, like all the
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: favorites of my childhood, like Dominique Wilkins and obviously John
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: and Carl Reggie Miller, who I didn't love but you
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: hated the rivalry because of what he was able to
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: do to the Knicks, and Chris Mullen Chris Mullen, Gosh,
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: if you're mulling and you're watching what happened with the
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: Warriors after long after your retirement, you're like, geez, man,
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: must have been nice. Speaking of the Warriors, we might
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: have an update on a major personnel move for them.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: I don't you think Lebron James is gonna end up
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: as with the Golden State Warriors as some people are
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: starting to report.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: It's possible. No, it's it's abtously.
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: He'll take a pay cut, and that's okay as far
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: as him doing it, but again, it'd be the less
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: hurrah for the Warriors as they're dramatically aging. They're saying philosophically,
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: maybe this guy can give us one more chance to
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: be relevant. As far as it right now, remember unless
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: you the excuse me, the the Warriors they got banged
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: up with Jimmy Butler. He was out, they're speaking, they're aging,
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: and they were hurt. So Lebron is forty two years young.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: But he'll give them a lot of star power and
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: also ability to score the basket. So we'll see if
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: he takes a pay cut this summer. How it all
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: plays out, no one knows the answer.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Gardiel, I want to ask you about this before we
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: let you go, because you know, you spend so much
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: time coaching and then around coaches who've maybe been in
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: these situations, and you've got connections everywhere. In the NFL,
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: we're looking at a really fascinating scenario right now where
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: the Rams are going in. They're all going all in
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: with the trades, and now they might get Aaron Donald
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: to come out of retirement, but it's very clear that
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: this is like a one or two year thing for them.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: They're trying to capitalize before Matthew Stafford has gone, and
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: in doing so, they've mortgaged their future. They have said, yeah,
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: we're not gonna have any first round picks for three
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: or four years. So pretty soon they're gonna be rounding
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: into some sort of rebuild to be on a coaching staff,
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: to talk to guys that are on a roster. When
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: that's obviously what's happening here right It happens in the
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: NBA too, Like you just mentioned with the Warriors, Hey guys,
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: we're gonna take a big swing here. We're gonna try
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: to get Lebron in the building potentially, and we're just
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: gonna roll what's it like being on the roster. What's
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: it like being in the room when you know, hey,
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: it's do or die this year, or it's do or
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: die within these next two years.
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the window is absolutely short, and that everything is
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: based on short term. There's less player development, Sewan, there's
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: more watt playing the game as far as veterans. So
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: that's how they lean it, and that they're trying to
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: convince on average, showing ten year veterans to play for
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: the minimum contract, which last year of your ten year
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: veteran was three point sixty three million. Now Lebron won't
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: do that. He'll play for I'm assuming. I'm just guessing,
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: say fifteen to twenty million, which is still a lot
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: of money in the real world, but in the basketball
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: world it's above the middle of exception, which is fifteen
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: point one million. So what it's like, everything is based
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: on short term. There's no three or five year plan
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: like most other successful businesses or franchises.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: It's right now.
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: The remember Steph Curry Sewan that he's still an unbelievable player,
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: but he's gonna be thirty thirty seven years old and
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: so already, so this is coming to the end right now,
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: So they know that and they're gonna try to just
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: have one more swing at it to go out and
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: then start over again. We'll see if it's fascinating offseason.
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: You know, for all the NBA fans, the draft's gonna
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: be on June twenty third, but really after that comes
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: free agency, which is July first. And also freegency is
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: not the first initial push of it. It's the whole
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: month of July basically, and most people wait, they try
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: to sign, but you can get a discount on a
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: player if you're wait until maybe July twentieth till maybe
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: the first week of August. That's when you can get
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: really a good player who thinks he deserves more money.
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: You can get him a discount rate to help your
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: team right now. So again it's the timeframe of players,
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: and we'll see how it all plays out. In Utah
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: Jazz basketball, they'll be front and center right now as
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: far as the draft. Picking number two, they're gonna get
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: absolutely a tremendous young fella talent that probably will be
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: an All Star between sean his third year to fifth year.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: That guy would be an All Star whoever they pick.
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: That's how talented number one through four are and it's
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: gonna be a great draft. Top of it right now,
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: and there'll be other surprises. Also, let's not forget Sean.
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: The last point before we go to break is that, Oh,
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: by the way, if you watched last night's game, let's
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: not forget Gellen Brunson with the thirty third pick of
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: the draft. That's what shows you that you can't measure
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: Sean heart encourage.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: We've got plenty more basketball still. Game one goes to
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: the New York Knicks. Gonna be a fascinating series.