Latest / The Human Factor: Exploring the Intersection of Humanity, Technology, and Transformation / Episode 012: The Lies We Tell at Work - Why Workplace Dishonesty Destroys Transformation
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- 0:06Let me tell you about a moment that changed how I think about
- 0:10organizational honesty. I was consulting with a mid size
- 0:14technology company several years ago.
- 0:16They had brought me in because a major project launch had failed
- 0:20spectacularly and they wanted to understand what went wrong.
- 0:25During the post mortem interviews, I sat down with a
- 0:28project manager named David. He was a solid performer with
- 0:32about 8 years at the company. David told me something I've
- 0:36never forgotten. He said I knew we were going to
- 0:40miss the deadline by at least six weeks.
- 0:43I knew it in my gut three months before launch.
- 0:47But every time I raise concerns in our status meetings, my
- 0:51director would ask, are you saying you can't do your job?
- 0:56So I stopped raising concerns. I started saying what everyone
- 1:00else was saying. We're on track.
- 1:03We'll make it work. But here's the part that really
- 1:07stuck with me. I also interviewed his director,
- 1:11a woman named Susan, who was genuinely respected in the
- 1:15organization. When I asked her about the
- 1:17project's communication breakdown, she said I wish
- 1:22someone had told me how bad things really were.
- 1:26I wish I would have pushed back the timeline.
- 1:30I would have gotten them more resources, but every update I
- 1:34received said we were fine. I asked her directly what would
- 1:40have happened if David had told you the project was six weeks
- 1:43behind. She paused for a long moment,
- 1:47and then she said something that revealed everything.
- 1:51Honestly, I probably would have pushed back.
- 1:54I would have asked him to find a way.
- 1:57I would have questioned whether he was managing his team
- 2:00effectively. If she shared this with me, she
- 2:04caught herself, I guess, she said.
- 2:07I'm part of the reason no one told me the truth.
- 2:12What struck me about that conversation was how both people
- 2:17were trapped. David lacked the courage to
- 2:20speak honestly because he feared how Susan would respond.
- 2:24And Susan, well, without realizing it, she had created an
- 2:28environment where honesty felt dangerous.
- 2:33Both of them were good people. Neither wanted the project to
- 2:36fail. But the lies they told and the
- 2:40lies they enabled guaranteed the failure.
- 2:44This is what I call the courage gap, and it operates on both
- 2:48sides of every conversation. It takes courage to tell the
- 2:53truth, but it also takes courage to hear it.
- 2:57I'm Kevin Novak, CEO of 2040, digital professor at the
- 3:01University of Maryland and author of the book The Truth
- 3:04about Transformation, Leading in the Age of AI, Uncertainty and
- 3:09Human Complexity, and the Ideas and Innovations Weekly
- 3:13newsletter. Welcome to the Human Factor
- 3:16Podcast, the show that explores the intersection of humanity,
- 3:20technology, and transformation, along with the psychology behind
- 3:25transformation success. Here's something that might make
- 3:30you uncomfortable. You lied today.
- 3:34Maybe you told a colleague their presentation was great when it
- 3:38was me. Mediocre.
- 3:40Maybe you said you were almost done with a project you hadn't
- 3:43even started yet. Maybe you called in sick when
- 3:47you just needed a mental health day.
- 3:50And here's what's even more uncomfortable.
- 3:53I've done all those things, too. We all have.
- 3:57Research suggests that an average person tells between one
- 4:00or two lies per day in social interactions.
- 4:03In workplace settings, that number increases significantly.
- 4:08But here's what confounds me at times as someone who has spent
- 4:12two decades studying organizational transformation.
- 4:16Those small lies, those tiny acts of workplace dishonesty,
- 4:21they're not harmless. They're the invisible force
- 4:24destroying your organization's ability to change, adapt, and
- 4:28survive. So today we're going to going
- 4:32somewhere very uncomfortable. In the next 25 minutes or so,
- 4:36you'll discover why people lie at work, the psychology behind
- 4:40workplace deception, would it cost your organization, and most
- 4:44importantly, why? Addressing workplace dishonesty
- 4:48and the courage deficit that enables it is the hidden key to
- 4:53change and transformation success.
- 4:57Let's start with a fundamental question.
- 4:59Why do people lie? Doctor Paul Ackman, the
- 5:03pioneering psychologist who spent decades studying
- 5:06deception, identified 6 core reasons people engage in
- 5:10dishonesty. First, to obtain a reward they
- 5:14couldn't get otherwise. Second, to protect others from
- 5:18harm or discomfort. 3rd to win admiration or approval. 4th to
- 5:25avoid awkward social situations. 5th to avoid embarrassment, and
- 5:316th to exercise control over their own narrative.
- 5:36Now here's what's fascinating about this list, known as how
- 5:40many of these motivations are fundamentally about self
- 5:44protection rather than malicious intent.
- 5:48Most workplace lying isn't about getting ahead at someone else's
- 5:52expense. It's simply about survival.
- 5:57The statistics on workplace lying are sobering.
- 6:00According to research published in human resource journals,
- 6:04approximately 78% of job candidates admit to lying during
- 6:08the hiring process. Once hired, I'm Not Feeling Well
- 6:13remains the most common workplace lie, but here's where
- 6:17it gets really interesting. Research from David Shulman at
- 6:21Lafayette College found that younger employees tend to lie
- 6:25more frequently than older colleagues, and employees lie
- 6:29more on Mondays and Fridays, essentially extending their
- 6:34weekends through deception. Most importantly here,
- 6:37dissatisfied employees lie significantly more than
- 6:41satisfied ones. So when people feel trapped,
- 6:45undervalued, or voiceless, they turn to deception as a coping
- 6:50mechanism. It's interesting, isn't it?
- 6:54So now let's go deeper into the psychology.
- 6:57When someone lies, the brain has to work harder.
- 7:01They need to suppress the truth, construct the lie, monitor the
- 7:05listen's listener's response, and remember what they said for
- 7:09later consistency. This cognitive load is
- 7:13exhausting. But here's the twist.
- 7:16The brain has a solution. It's called self deception.
- 7:21When we lie to ourselves first, we reduce the cognitive burden
- 7:25of lying to others. We become more convincing
- 7:30because we genuinely believe our own distortions.
- 7:34Leon Festinger's cognitive dishonest research demonstrated
- 7:37this beautifully. In his classic studies, people
- 7:41who were paid just $1.00 to tell a lie actually convinced
- 7:45themselves that they believed the lie, while those paid $20
- 7:50knew they were lying. The brain seeks consistency and
- 7:54certainty, and when our actions conflict with our beliefs,
- 7:58something has to give. So in organizational settings,
- 8:03this means employees don't just lie to their managers, they
- 8:07often lie to themselves first. This project is on track becomes
- 8:13something they genuinely believe, even as all the
- 8:16evidence they're seeing mounts to the contrary.
- 8:20In 2015, researchers Levitt and Sluice published groundbreaking
- 8:25work on what they called Identity Baseline.
- 8:29Their core insight was that workplace Line isn't primarily
- 8:33about self-interest in the traditional sense.
- 8:36It's about protecting valued identities.
- 8:40Think about it this way, when you identify strongly with your
- 8:44role, like I'm a component project manager or I'm a
- 8:48strategic thinker, anything that threatens that identity triggers
- 8:53A defensive response, and lying becomes a way to protect who you
- 8:59believe yourself to be. Remember back in episode 8 when
- 9:03I discussed resistance traps and the challenges of identity
- 9:07protectionism? This is particularly dangerous
- 9:10when identity threats feel intractable, meaning that people
- 9:15believe there's no legitimate way to resolve the threat.
- 9:21If admitting a mistake feels like admitting you're
- 9:24fundamentally incompetent, lying becomes psychologically
- 9:28necessary. So earlier research by Grover in
- 9:331993 identified another critical driver of workplace deception,
- 9:39structural role conflicts. Organizations often create
- 9:44impossible situations where employees face conflicting
- 9:48expectations. You're told to be innovative,
- 9:51but you're punished for failure. You're expected to meet
- 9:55aggressive deadlines but also deliver perfect quality.
- 10:00You're supposed to be a team player, but you're evaluated on
- 10:04individual metrics. When these conflicts become
- 10:07unresolvable, people have lied to reduce the sonocence.
- 10:11In like consulting, where I've seen this pattern repeatedly,
- 10:15middle managers caught between executive expectations and team
- 10:19realities become chronic liars in both directions.
- 10:23They tell leadership what they want to hear of, telling the
- 10:27teams that everything is fine when it clearly isn't.
- 10:32So let's talk about the numbers here.
- 10:35According to research published by the Association of Certified
- 10:39Fraud Examiners, organizations lose approximately 5% of their
- 10:44annual revenues to fraud interception.
- 10:47Globally, that translates to trillions of dollars, but the
- 10:51hidden costs are actually even larger.
- 10:55When employees lie about project status, problems compound until
- 10:59they become crises. When teams hide concerns about a
- 11:04new strategy, organizations invest millions in initiatives
- 11:08doomed to simply fail. When leaders don't hear honest
- 11:13feedback, they make decisions based on distorted information.
- 11:19And here's the kicker. Research shows that senior
- 11:22positions actually lie more frequently than entry level
- 11:26roles. One study found that 37% of
- 11:30managers admitted to lying at work, compared to 28% of entry
- 11:35level employees. The people making the biggest
- 11:39decisions, then, often have the most distorted information.
- 11:44Let's dive into psychological safety.
- 11:47Amy Ed Benson's revolutionary research in the 1990s made a
- 11:52discovery that transformed our understanding of team
- 11:55performance. She was studying medical teams
- 11:58in hospitals, trying to understand why some teams
- 12:02performed better than others. What she found seemed
- 12:06counterintuitive at first. Higher performing teams reported
- 12:09more errors than lower performing teams.
- 12:13That didn't make sense until she realized the explanation.
- 12:18Better teams weren't making more mistakes, they were simply more
- 12:22willing to discuss the mistakes that they had made.
- 12:26The insight LED her to the concept of psychological safety,
- 12:30which she defines as a belief that you can speak up with
- 12:34ideas, questions, concerns, or mistakes without fear of
- 12:39repercussions. It's an environment of low
- 12:43interpersonal fear where candor and vulnerability are welcome.
- 12:48Elizabeth Stewart and I have both sought to emphasize the
- 12:51criticality of psychological safety in the episodes of this
- 12:55podcast, so let's dive into what psychological safety is not.
- 13:01There's a common misperception that we haven't touched on at
- 13:06this point yet. Psychological safety is not
- 13:10about being comfortable. It's not about avoiding
- 13:13conflict. It's not about lowering
- 13:17standards or removing accountability.
- 13:19In fact, Edmundston's research shows that psychological safety
- 13:24and accountability are very two independent dimensions that
- 13:28actually reinforce each other. When you have high psychological
- 13:33safety but low accountability, you get a comfort zone where
- 13:37nothing gets done. When you have high
- 13:40accountability but low psychological safety, you can
- 13:44hit an anxiety zone where people are too afraid to take risks.
- 13:49The sweet spot, then, is the high performance zone requires
- 13:53both. People need to feel safe enough
- 13:57to be honest and accountable enough to drive for excellence.
- 14:02So here's what happens neurologically when people don't
- 14:05feel psychologically safe. Fear activates the imegilla,
- 14:11triggering fight or flight responses.
- 14:14This diverts cognitive resources away from the prefrontal cortex,
- 14:19which handles analytical thinking, creativity, and
- 14:23complex problem solving. In other words, when employees
- 14:27are afraid, they literally become less intelligent.
- 14:31They can't think as clearly, they can't innovate as
- 14:34effectively or solve problems as creatively.
- 14:38And of course, they lie then to protect themselves.
- 14:43The organizational cost in this situation is profound.
- 14:47Problems go unreported until they become crises.
- 14:50Innovation stalls because people fear proposing ideas that might
- 14:55fail, and transformation efforts collapse because no one tells
- 15:00leadership the truth about what's actually happening on the
- 15:04ground. Let me connect all of this to
- 15:07organizational transformation. Research from McKenzie surveys
- 15:11of over 3000 executives show that only about 1/3 of
- 15:16transformation efforts are considered successful.
- 15:19That's a staggering failure rate.
- 15:21When you dig into why transformations fail, you find
- 15:25the same pattern again and again.
- 15:27Leaders don't hear honest feedback about what's working
- 15:31and what isn't. Employees tell leadership what
- 15:34they want to hear rather than what they need to know.
- 15:38Problems then are hidden until they become instrumental.
- 15:42In essence, organizational dishonesty creates a fundamental
- 15:47barrier to adaptation. You can't transform what you
- 15:51can't honestly assess, and you can't honestly assess anything
- 15:56in a culture where people are afraid to tell the truth.
- 15:59So in my human factor method, the first phase is called
- 16:04understand, which involves deep psychological discovery before
- 16:08any change initiative begins. Part of that effort must include
- 16:13understanding where dishonesty patterns exist in your
- 16:16organization. This isn't about catching liars
- 16:19or punishing people. It's about understanding the
- 16:23structural of conditions that make lying feel necessary.
- 16:29Where are the impossible role conflicts?
- 16:31What identity threats are people facing?
- 16:34Where has psychological safety broken down?
- 16:38Our Transformation Readiness Assessment helps organizations
- 16:42identify these patterns before they sabotage change efforts.
- 16:47Because if you launch a major transformation in a culture of
- 16:50fear and dishonesty, you're setting yourself up for failure.
- 16:56So let's continue here. Edmondson's research provides a
- 17:01four step framework for building psychological safety that aligns
- 17:05perfectly with my Human Factor Method Principles.
- 17:09First, framework as a learning problem.
- 17:13When leaders emphasize uncertainty, acknowledge that
- 17:17they don't have all the answers, and explicitly state that they
- 17:22need everyone's input, it creates a situation where
- 17:26permission is there for honesty. Second model fallibility and
- 17:33curiosity. Leaders must demonstrate
- 17:36vulnerability by admitting their own mistakes and asking
- 17:41questions that show genuine curiosity rather than judgement.
- 17:473rd Invite participation proactively.
- 17:51Don't wait for people to speak up.
- 17:54Create explicit structures and moments where feedback is
- 17:58requested and expected. 4th Respond productively.
- 18:04This is where most organizations fail.
- 18:07When someone speaks truth to power and gets punished, even
- 18:12subtly, the message spreads instantly.
- 18:17Everyone learns that honesty is dangerous.
- 18:22So let me give you some practical actions you can take
- 18:25starting tomorrow. Prioritize honesty as a core
- 18:30value and actually mean it. Don't just put it on a poster,
- 18:35demonstrate it through your actions.
- 18:37The truth telling is rewarded even when the truth is
- 18:42uncomfortable. Model that transparency
- 18:45yourself. Share your own uncertainties,
- 18:48your mistakes, and your learning moments.
- 18:51If you expect honesty from others, you have to demonstrate
- 18:55it first. Recalibrate your performance
- 18:59management systems. If your metrics punish honest
- 19:03admission of the problems, you're incentivizing deception.
- 19:08Createspace for learning from failure rather than the just
- 19:12celebrating the successes create visible ethical reminders.
- 19:19Research has shown that simple prompts like honesty pledges at
- 19:23the beginning of a process can reduce deceptive behavior
- 19:27significantly and finally, address the structural
- 19:31conditions that make lying feel necessary.
- 19:35If people are caught in impossible role conflicts, fix
- 19:39the conflicts. If identity threat feels
- 19:41intractable, create pathways for people to maintain their sense
- 19:46of confidence while admitting mistakes.
- 19:49Let me leave you with something to consider.
- 19:51The irony of organizational dishonesty is profound.
- 19:55Organizations that most desperately need to transform
- 20:00often have cultures that punish honesty, Which.
- 20:04Guarantees their transformation efforts were failed, which
- 20:08reinforces the very problems that made transformation
- 20:11necessary in the 1st place. Breaking the cycle requires
- 20:16courage. It requires leaders who are
- 20:19willing to hear uncomfortable truths and who examine their own
- 20:24reactions when someone speaks honestly.
- 20:28Remember David and Susan from the beginning of this episode?
- 20:32The lies didn't start with David.
- 20:34They started with Susan's inability to receive hard news
- 20:38without making it feel like an attack on the messenger.
- 20:43David needed courage to speak, but Susan needed courage to
- 20:48listen. It requires systems make honesty
- 20:52safer than deception, and it requires understanding that
- 20:56people don't lie because they're bad.
- 20:59They lie because they're human, and humans protect themselves.
- 21:05The question isn't whether your organization has dishonesty.
- 21:09It does. The question is whether you have
- 21:12the psychological infrastructure to surface it, address it, and
- 21:17transform it into the radical candor that successful change
- 21:21requires. You have the opportunity to
- 21:24explore two issues of my Ideas and Innovations Newsletter,
- 21:28available on 2040 digital.com and Substance.
- 21:32The first, Leading with Courage and the second, Why We Lie.
- 21:36Both offer the opportunity to further understand why people
- 21:40lie and why people lack courage to speak honestly and accept
- 21:45feedback. You also get to understand the
- 21:48structural barriers to organizational candor and the
- 21:52characteristics of courageous leadership.
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- 22:06leadership team. Because understanding why people
- 22:09lie at work is the first step towards building a culture where
- 22:12they don't have to. If you want weekly insights
- 22:16about transformation psychology, organizational behavior, and the
- 22:20human factors that determine transformation success,
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- 22:32frameworks and research on why change succeeds or fails.
- 22:37Until next time, remember, you can't transform what you can't
- 22:42honestly assess. This has been the Human Factor
- 22:45podcast. I'm Kevin Novak, thanks for
- 22:48watching or listening.