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Noahide Laws, the Third Temple & the Coming Antichrist | The Week in Bible Prophecy · Prophecy Watchers

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  Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Hi there, folks, and welcome to the A Minute to
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  Speaker 2: Midnight show. This is Tony, and I'm coming to you
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  Speaker 2: from New Zealand in a spring morning. And with me today,
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  Speaker 2: I have Mondo Gonzalez. And Mondo, it is autumn where
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  Speaker 2: you are, or fall. And yeah, we were just talking
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  Speaker 2: a little bit off air what the weather's like here,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't know what it's like where you are.
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  Speaker 1: At the moment, you know, for us here in Oklahoma,
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  Speaker 1: it's been rain, rain, rain, which actually is everybody's happy
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  Speaker 1: about it because we had a super hot summer. It
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  Speaker 1: was horrible. And so we're down, you know, we're down
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  Speaker 1: in the, what would you say, in the 1920s Celsius anyway,
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  Speaker 1: which is great for us. We've been in the 40s
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  Speaker 1: all summer.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. Yeah, I guess for Americans going in the 40s,
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  Speaker 2: wait a minute, that's winter temperatures. But yeah, Celsius. 40 Celsius. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, we've had a march up to spring and
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  Speaker 2: it was a bit of a mixture. So we had
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  Speaker 2: a couple of quite hot days and now right at
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  Speaker 2: the moment we're back to it being like winter again
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  Speaker 2: for a couple of days where I am in New
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  Speaker 2: Zealand anyway. So it's a bit of a up and
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  Speaker 2: down with the weather. But In terms of what we
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  Speaker 2: should discuss today, and I mentioned to you off-air, look,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that have been messaging me
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  Speaker 2: or emailing me or leaving comments saying, can we talk
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  Speaker 2: about the Noahide laws and the Noahide Convention? And it
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  Speaker 2: is a bit of a hot topic at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: And so I said to you, Mondo, can we maybe
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  Speaker 2: look at that today? And it's kind of controversial today.
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  Speaker 2: In some ways, just as a little bit of an overview,
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  Speaker 2: some people won't even know what that is. Nearly 100
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  Speaker 2: Noahide leaders from 20 countries across six continents will gather
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  Speaker 2: in Jerusalem on November 2-6, 2026, with the blessings of
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  Speaker 2: Israel's chief rabbis and a reception at the residence of
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  Speaker 2: the president-elect. For the first time in history, Noahides, who
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  Speaker 2: are non-Jews, who ordered their lives by the seven laws
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  Speaker 2: of Noah, which that's an interesting thing in itself, will
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  Speaker 2: convene in a single international conference. Nearly 100 Noahide leaders
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  Speaker 2: from 20 countries across six continents will gather in Jerusalem
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  Speaker 2: at the Seven Archers Hotel on the Mount of Olives,
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  Speaker 2: overlooking the Old City, for the first international congress of
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  Speaker 2: Noahides and Israelites. The Congress is convened by Brit Alam,
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  Speaker 2: the World Noahide Centre, under the presidency of Rabbi Uri Cherokee,
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  Speaker 2: and it carries the blessing of Chief Rabbis of Israel
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  Speaker 2: and the support of ministers in the Israeli government and
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  Speaker 2: will include an official reception at Be'er HaNati, however you
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  Speaker 2: pronounce it exactly, the residence of the President of Israel
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  Speaker 2: in Jerusalem. And over five days, the participants will take
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  Speaker 2: part in study lessons with leading rabbis, working groups on
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  Speaker 2: community building, and the signing of a founding charter and
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  Speaker 2: the establishment of the first international Viet Dinh Whanawhai affairs.
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  Speaker 2: Delegations are expected from six continents. Now that came out
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  Speaker 2: as an official sort of blurb around the end of July.
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  Speaker 2: So now we're getting really close to this conference actually
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  Speaker 2: occurring and Quite rightly, I think some people have some
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  Speaker 2: concerns over it and what it actually means, but there's
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  Speaker 2: also a lot of speculation as well. So that's my
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  Speaker 2: way of a preamble. I'll give it to you. I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure I'll have plenty more to say at times, but
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  Speaker 2: I will get your perspective on it one day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is actually quite interesting because all of us
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  Speaker 1: who are prophecy watchers... We look and we see that
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  Speaker 1: in the future, Israel's obviously very central in the final
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  Speaker 1: 70th week of Daniel during the coming tribulation period. And
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  Speaker 1: the interesting thing about it is you have, as we know,
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  Speaker 1: a variety of characters. First, you have the Antichrist, whether
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  Speaker 1: he is going to be a false messiah or a
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  Speaker 1: fake messiah or a pseudo messiah for the Jewish people.
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  Speaker 1: We know that he is involved with the reestablishment to
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  Speaker 1: some way of temple sacrifices, etc. So the Jews are central.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we all agree that. The interesting thing about
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  Speaker 1: it is this upcoming conference, which they hope is a
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  Speaker 1: start of an annual conference that will continue to happen.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing that I find interesting is in Revelation 17,
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  Speaker 1: we see a harlot religion. And we know that the
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  Speaker 1: heart of religion is some sort of system of religion
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  Speaker 1: that brings the world together in some form. We also
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  Speaker 1: know that that heart, heart of religion is destroyed in
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  Speaker 1: the midpoint of the seven year period. And we see
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  Speaker 1: that in revelation 17, you know, basically 12 through 18
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  Speaker 1: where the 10 Kings along with the, the 11th King,
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  Speaker 1: which is in this case of the antichrist burn her
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  Speaker 1: with fire. So because we know that at, the second
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  Speaker 1: half of the tribulation period, the Great Tribulation, that the
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  Speaker 1: Antichrist in the middle sits in the temple of God,
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  Speaker 1: declaring himself to be God. He is the religion. And
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  Speaker 1: so he's not going to allow any competition with this
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  Speaker 1: harlot religion. So what many people wonder is, well, what
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  Speaker 1: does that harlot religion look like in the first half
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  Speaker 1: of the tribulation period? And so enter in what we
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  Speaker 1: have now here, the Noahide laws. And so most people
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  Speaker 1: are like, well, what's this about? Well, the true answer
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  Speaker 1: is that this is a system of belief that is
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  Speaker 1: 100% originated and perpetuated by rabbinic Judaism. And so whether
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  Speaker 1: you look in the early writings or traditions, the Jewish traditions,
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  Speaker 1: primarily the Talmuds, they describe... that you can be, well,
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  Speaker 1: let me say it this way. The Jews are required
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  Speaker 1: to follow the 613 Mosaic commandments, okay? But, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Deuteronomy 4, Deuteronomy 7, there's a whole bunch of other
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  Speaker 1: passages that speak that the 613 commandments of Moses were
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  Speaker 1: not given to the world. They were given to the Jews.
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  Speaker 1: And so then it brings up the question within Judaism is, well,
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  Speaker 1: then what do we expect or what do we, What
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  Speaker 1: would God want then for non-Jews? God doesn't want the
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  Speaker 1: non-Jew necessarily to convert to Judaism. So rabbinic Judaism came
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  Speaker 1: up with this idea or this thought that all they
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  Speaker 1: need to do is follow the seven laws of Noah
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  Speaker 1: because they're all Gentiles. After basically Genesis 9, we see
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  Speaker 1: that God establishes covenant with Noah. And so when you
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  Speaker 1: look at the Noahide laws as they are given by
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  Speaker 1: rabbinic Judaism, there's basically seven of them. And they derive
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  Speaker 1: primarily from Genesis 9, not fully, not as if you'd
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  Speaker 1: read them there, but some of them you could. The
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  Speaker 1: first one is that there's a prohibition against idolatry. We
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  Speaker 1: can talk about that later, what that looks like. There's
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  Speaker 1: a second is the prohibition against blasphemy, you know, towards
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  Speaker 1: God and his name. The third is against murder. We
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  Speaker 1: see that in Genesis 9, 5, and 6 because there,
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  Speaker 1: up until that time, God tells Noah, if anybody commits murder,
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  Speaker 1: then he creates capital punishment. Right there in Genesis 9.
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  Speaker 1: And he says, by man. So if you murder somebody,
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  Speaker 1: it says, by man, that person, the murderer, needs to
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  Speaker 1: be killed. And so that creates one of the other
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  Speaker 1: principles there is that you have to have courts. which
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  Speaker 1: would then be able to implement a capital punishment, you know, murder,
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  Speaker 1: for murder, or the killing of somebody for murdering somebody else.
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  Speaker 1: They also have, understandably, the fourth one would be laws
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  Speaker 1: against sexual morality, bestiality, all the things you'd see, which
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  Speaker 1: is similar to the book of Exodus, I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: book of Leviticus. That would include homosexuality. All those things
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  Speaker 1: that are defined under Judaism's view of what sexual immorality is.
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  Speaker 1: The fifth one is theft, which we know that's part
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  Speaker 1: of the original Ten Commandments. Remember, for a Jewish person,
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  Speaker 1: the Ten Commandments are not for non-Jews. The Ten Commandments
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  Speaker 1: are for Jews. But in this sense, they'll say theft
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  Speaker 1: is bad. That's also one of them. Also, you have
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  Speaker 1: a variety of comments about eating blood, or specifically it
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  Speaker 1: talks about eating a limb of an animal. from a
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  Speaker 1: living animal, which in that sense would be blood. And
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  Speaker 1: then the seventh one, as I mentioned, is courts of justice.
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  Speaker 1: So just as a backdrop, what they say is that
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  Speaker 1: in order to participate in the world to come for
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  Speaker 1: Jew and for the world to come for Gentiles, you
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  Speaker 1: need to be, you can be one of the righteous Gentiles.
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  Speaker 1: And so to be a righteous Gentile, you don't convert
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  Speaker 1: to Judaism. You follow these seven Noahide laws. And if
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  Speaker 1: you do, then you will have a participation in the
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  Speaker 1: world to come. And so, Later, a writer, and the
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  Speaker 1: last thing I'll say here, and we can unpack some
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  Speaker 1: of this, but Rambam Maimonides was basically a 12th century
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  Speaker 1: Jewish person, Spaniard Jew. He lived in Israel at the time,
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  Speaker 1: lived in Egypt, but he wrote something called the Mishnah Torah,
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  Speaker 1: and he was a very, very influential medieval Jew. And
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  Speaker 1: what he discussed, he discussed the seven no-hide laws. But
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  Speaker 1: one of the things that he said in his interactions
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  Speaker 1: with Christianity, which is very strong in the Middle Ages,
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  Speaker 1: was that in order to be considered righteous, again, you
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  Speaker 1: can't be an idolater. So the question is, or a blasphemer,
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  Speaker 1: can a Christian qualify as a non-idolater? Because for them,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't understand. They just thought we invented the person
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  Speaker 1: of Jesus in the sense of we took this man,
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  Speaker 1: we elevated him to godhood, and now we're worshiping the
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  Speaker 1: God of Israel along with this other god named Jesus,
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  Speaker 1: and therefore, by definition, we're idolaters. And so it also,
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  Speaker 1: even in Islam.
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  Speaker 1: Maimonides was quite clear as well as rabbinic Judaism that
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  Speaker 1: even though Islam is monotheistic, very strict, you have to submit,
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  Speaker 1: in order for you to be righteous, you have to
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  Speaker 1: submit to the God of Israel, not Allah, and you
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  Speaker 1: have to submit to the authority of the Torah, the
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  Speaker 1: first five books, as well as the authority of the
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  Speaker 1: rabbinic Jews or the sages, or in this sense, the Talmud. So, Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: Islam doesn't submit. They might be monotheistic in their own theology,
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  Speaker 1: but they don't submit to the authority of the Talmud.
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  Speaker 1: Christianity is monotheistic, but we don't submit to the authority
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  Speaker 1: of the Talmud. So it's interesting that even within there,
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  Speaker 1: there's different viewpoints within Judaism of whether a Christian is
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  Speaker 1: outside of being a Noahide person or whether Jesus disqualifies them.
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  Speaker 1: Or whether some Jews are a little bit more moderate
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  Speaker 1: and they'll allow Christianity to be under it. But needless
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  Speaker 1: to say, I think we ultimately fail because, according to
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  Speaker 1: Maimonides anyway, because why? We don't accept the authority of
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  Speaker 1: the Talmud as being equal to Scripture. So this is
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  Speaker 1: the basic Noahide framework originated by Rabbinic Judaism, Talmudic Judaism,
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  Speaker 1: and for the world. And so this is what they're
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  Speaker 1: trying to come to be, is to say, let's start
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  Speaker 1: incorporating this framework for the world with this conference next month.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So just very quickly then, I'll just
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  Speaker 2: recap what those seven Noahide laws are. Do not worship idols.
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  Speaker 2: Do not blaspheme the name of God. Do not murder.
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  Speaker 2: Do not commit sexual immorality. And there's a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: what that defines there. Do not steal. Do not eat
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  Speaker 2: the flesh torn from a living animal. But the seventh one,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you mentioned, Mondo, is establish courts of
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  Speaker 2: justice to enforce the previous six laws. And these laws
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  Speaker 2: are promoted by some Jewish groups, particularly the Armluvoviches, of
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  Speaker 2: which Jared Kushner is one. And basically, going back to 1991,
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  Speaker 2: George H. Bush signed, you know, made a declaration, a
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  Speaker 2: Noahide Declaration kind of thing, establishing it in the U.S.
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  Speaker 2: and with a day, you know, a celebration day and
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  Speaker 2: all of that kind of thing. So what a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people are concerned about is, okay, so they are
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  Speaker 2: going to establish a system of, court basically to be
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  Speaker 2: able to prosecute the laws you know people that break
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  Speaker 2: the noahide laws now this is where the speculation comes
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  Speaker 2: in people are going oh this is it this is
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  Speaker 2: the religion of the antichrist and so on but it's
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  Speaker 2: like hold on a minute at the moment this is
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  Speaker 2: a religious group the noahides coming together and having a
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  Speaker 2: conference and saying we are setting this up They're not some,
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  Speaker 2: at this point anyway, some international group with any teeth,
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  Speaker 2: like the United Nations or something. They can't come along
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  Speaker 2: and say, right, United States of America or New Zealand,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to enforce these Noahide laws and those idolaters
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  Speaker 2: are going to have capital punishment. Now, it could happen
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  Speaker 2: down the track. But at this point, we don't know that.
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  Speaker 2: And so where a lot of people are going is
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  Speaker 2: they're jumping the gun and saying, ah, that's it. This
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  Speaker 2: is the religion of the Antichrist. This is it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But we don't actually know for sure. That is the case.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and what you see is the international Beit Din,
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  Speaker 1: that this house, Beit Din is Hebrew for the house
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  Speaker 1: of judgment. And they've said that they are not creating
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  Speaker 1: the organizers of this thing. They've been very clear or
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  Speaker 1: overt in saying that they're not creating the house of
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  Speaker 1: judgment in order to enforce any of the Noahide laws,
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  Speaker 1: because for them, it's voluntary. And so they are, in Judaism,
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  Speaker 1: like the Sanhedrin, we know about the Sanhedrin from the
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  Speaker 1: time in the Gospels, and the Sanhedrin has been attempted
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  Speaker 1: to be reformed in modern times. You know, 2004 didn't
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  Speaker 1: really catch a lot of traction, but the goal of
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  Speaker 1: this house of judgment is in order to provide guidance.
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  Speaker 1: That's what they're saying. And now it could switch if
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  Speaker 1: they had teeth, but right now, is no, we're simply
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  Speaker 1: here to provide guidance. We have these communities around the world,
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  Speaker 1: almost 80 communities that are Noahide communities already. And so
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  Speaker 1: we simply just want to help and we want to
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  Speaker 1: see this information get out. But as you mentioned, it
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  Speaker 1: is well known that one of the punishments, at least
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  Speaker 1: in the Talmudic literature, for people that violated the Noahide
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  Speaker 1: laws was the sword or capital punishment through beheading. And so,
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  Speaker 1: of course, that brings up some connections with Revelation 20
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  Speaker 1: about those who had been beheaded. But it doesn't say
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  Speaker 1: necessarily that those were beheaded by the harlot. In Revelation 20,
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  Speaker 1: it talks about those who were beheaded by the beast.
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  Speaker 1: And I would say that that's probably the second half
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  Speaker 1: of the tribulation period for refusing the mark of the beast.
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  Speaker 1: So that certainly wouldn't correlate with the Noahide laws because, again,
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  Speaker 1: the religion of the second half is the religion of
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  Speaker 1: the beast himself and the Antichrist himself who wants to
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  Speaker 1: be worshipped, of course, ultimately to the dragon. But we
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  Speaker 1: do know that in Revelation 17 that the harlot was
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  Speaker 1: drunk with the blood of the martyrs. So somehow there
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  Speaker 1: is going to be an enforcement mechanism in the first
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  Speaker 1: half of the tribulation by this religious system. You either
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  Speaker 1: follow it or you are killed. But it's interesting that
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  Speaker 1: the ones that are described being killed are not just people,
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  Speaker 1: but Christians, or at least believers for sure, being martyred
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  Speaker 1: for their faith in Jesus specifically. So I think, as
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  Speaker 1: you said, we have to be careful not to jump
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  Speaker 1: the gun just because there is one element of similarity
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  Speaker 1: of beheading. As you mentioned, that could be just as
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  Speaker 1: applicable to Islam. And there are those that believe in
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  Speaker 1: an Islamic Antichrist. And that will be one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that he's going to use during the tribulation period.
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  Speaker 1: So the interesting thing is just some of the discussion.
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  Speaker 1: And to me, the key of the Noahide laws, and
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  Speaker 1: this is what I find interesting, is the key element
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  Speaker 1: in the Noahide laws is the centrality of Judaism. So worldwide, worldwide,
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  Speaker 1: is Judaism is central, and the authority of the rabbis
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  Speaker 1: is central, and, of course, the authority of the seven laws,
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  Speaker 1: which have their basis in Genesis 9, as well as others.
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  Speaker 1: I find that really provocative because to... Will the Antichrist,
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  Speaker 1: when he comes on the scene and he establishes the covenant,
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  Speaker 1: because that's exactly what Daniel 9.27 says... I've written a
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  Speaker 1: lot about this. It literally in the Hebrew says that
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  Speaker 1: he shall cause the covenant to prevail for the Jews,
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  Speaker 1: for the many, which is the Jews in the book
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  Speaker 1: of Daniel, for one week, for seven years. And in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the week, he'll cause the sacrifices and
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  Speaker 1: offerings to stop. So that covenant that he is causing
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  Speaker 1: to prevail in the book of Daniel is the Mosaic covenant,
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  Speaker 1: which involves sacrifices and offerings and all the 613. So
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  Speaker 1: that's interesting that he is going to show up on
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  Speaker 1: the scene providing a basis for the Torah to be
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  Speaker 1: reestablished for the Jews because it's not that way right
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  Speaker 1: now in the land of Israel. And when you look
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  Speaker 1: at the religious Jews in Israel, what they want more
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  Speaker 1: than anything else, let me say it this way. If
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  Speaker 1: you ask a religious Jew and you look at their writings,
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  Speaker 1: what is going to be the telltale sign that the
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  Speaker 1: Messiah has arrived? And they'll say that when the Messiah arrives,
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  Speaker 1: he's going to accomplish two things, minimum. One is he's
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  Speaker 1: going to reestablish the sacrificial system or the temple. You're like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: that makes sense. We all believe that. The second thing
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  Speaker 1: is he's going to cause the Torah to be applied
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  Speaker 1: over all the land of Israel. You think, really? That's
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  Speaker 1: what they believe, which is exactly what Daniel 9.27 says.
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  Speaker 1: So it's connected to the Torah and it's connected to
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  Speaker 1: the temple. But in the midst of that, if we're
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  Speaker 1: going to speculate or conjecture, could it be that he
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  Speaker 1: gives them his authority to establish the temple and the Torah,
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  Speaker 1: Could it be then that he promotes the Noahide laws
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  Speaker 1: around the world with Judaism as being centered? That's possible.
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  Speaker 1: That would be amazing if it actually happened around the world,
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  Speaker 1: that the Jews would become the center of the world religiously.
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  Speaker 1: To me, I find that hard to believe.
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  Speaker 2: Particularly in the climate at the moment.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, I find that. But if God is going
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  Speaker 1: to accomplish it, well, then God can do anything. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm not worried about that. But I can't prove that
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  Speaker 1: from Scripture. I can prove the temple, and we can
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  Speaker 1: prove that the Torah, that the Mosaic covenant is going
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: to be central for the Jews. We can show that.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: But we can't show necessarily that no hide is part
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: of that system.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: So the clauses about the death sentence and so on,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: which could apply to, well, they say it applies to idolatry,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: you know, potentially, and also blasphemy and so on. And
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: so they come from the Talmud. I think Sanhedrin Clause 57a,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: that's where most of this stuff comes from. You have
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: to delve way down into stuff to find it. You're
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: not going to find it on the Noahides website, you know, saying, hey,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: we're going to behead people if they disappear. you know,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: disagree with us or whatever. But that's where it comes from, basically.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: And what I think on is, so, okay, so they
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: could behead people for, A, following Jesus, because if you're
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: potentially following Jesus, you're an idolater because you're saying Jesus
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: is God, right? You know, so this is what people
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: are saying. Okay, that's idolatry. That is a capital offense.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: That means punishment by death. Another thing they could go
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: on is the Sabbath because they're saying, no, only Jews
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: can keep the Sabbath. So if you're a Gentile and
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: you're trying to keep the Sabbath, some people are saying, right,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: that's another one, you know, beheaded for that. But again,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: it's greatly speculating and people that are throwing all their
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: eggs in this basket are like, I think, jumping the
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: gun too fast because Islam also beheads people. I mean,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: the French Revolution, which was basically run by the Illuminati,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: what did they do? They used a guillotine and beheaded people.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: They weren't Jews and they weren't Islam. So there's a
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: bunch of other possibilities. So I think we have to
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: be really careful that we don't go, ah, this lines up,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: this looks like it. You know, it's like people that
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: were saying a few years ago, oh my gosh, Obama's
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: the Antichrist, God told me. You know, or Donald Trump's
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: the Antichrist, God's told me, or whatever, and then time
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: moves on and it's like, wait a minute, or Henry
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Kissinger was the Antichrist. Well, he's dead. So, you know,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: we have to be really careful that people don't put
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: their hat on a doctrine and say, that's it.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: And then we're convinced this is it and we won't
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: listen to anything else. So to me, it's like one
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: of these things you put on the scales and you go, yep,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: this looks like it could balance out that way, but
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: you put something on this side of the scale and
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: it goes there, you know? So that's how I'm seeing it.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: No, I think you're seeing it right. We have to
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: be very careful. And as you know, there's certain things
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: that we that we have a framework of understanding the
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: prophetic timeline. You know, we generally understand that, again, there's
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: a seven-year period or, you know, 70th week of Daniel
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: is very important. The Jews are important in there. There's a,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you know, a starting point based on Daniel 9, 27.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: You know, there's a midpoint with the abomination of desolation and,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: you know, Jesus divides it in two halves. So you
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: have some of these frameworks, which I think are quite solid.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: But when it comes to pinpointing, again, I've talked a lot,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I think, even with you and I have talked a
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: lot about the 10 Kings. Who are they? Well, I
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: have theories. I talk about them potentially being technocrats. I'm
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: not dogmatic on it. I'm not going to hang all
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: my hat on that one basket or eggs in that basket.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: And so in the same way here, you have the
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: World Council of Religion, the that was really big in
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: the 90s. And like, this is it. This is the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: global religion. This is the harlot religion of Revelation 17, which, again,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: we just have to be humble and keep things pretty
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: much loose in all of our discussions. Because as we know,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Daniel 12 tells us that as the time of the end,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: we are here, we're at the time of the end,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: but knowledge is going to increase as we get closer
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: and closer. And so it's wise to say, hmm, I'm watching. Again,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: we have exegetical things that we base our theology on.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: We don't do newspaper exegesis. So we have this framework
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: of theological truth, but when we look out, we say,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: we are looking at the newspaper, so to speak, and
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: we go, I wonder if that fits. I wonder if
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: that fits our basis. But we don't start there and
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: then read it back into the text. And again, that
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: would be a little bit hard to do to look
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: at the Noahide movement, which is getting some traction starting
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: next month, and then to try to go to Scripture
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: and force that on there and say, oh, there it is.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: That would be unwise.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I agree. So let's just quickly, though, look at,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: so what are the goals of the Noahide conference, the
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: first one? So basically, the first international congress of Noahides
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: in the eternal capital of Jerusalem is, bringing together the
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: delegates from six continents. They want to formally establish the
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: World Noahide Movement, complete with a founding charter, a rabbinic court,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: regional councils, and a financial infrastructure designed to sustain a
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: global religious civilization. So what people are there for saying, well,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: this is just the start. This is where it starts.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Watch this space from here on out.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 100%. I mean, those are the things that they
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: hope to accomplish in this several-day conference, making Jerusalem the center,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: which again, I find that interesting because we do know that,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: of course, the Antichrist is going to, it seems to
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: be that he is going to use or eventually make
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Jerusalem at least one of his headquarters enough to where,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and I say this often, that interestingly, you know, you
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: have the third temple movement, which, you know, I've written
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: a lot about the red heifer movement, et cetera, which
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: is still, still in motion. But the fact of the
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: matter is, I say this in is if you're the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: antichrist and your goal is to blaspheme the God of heaven,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: which we know Daniel seven, Daniel eight, Daniel 11, there's
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: a lot of descriptions of this character. He's a big mouth.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's just, he's a blasphemer left and right.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: And so, If you're going to blaspheme God, you know, yeah,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: you can blaspheme him from New York City or from London,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: you know, if you wanted. But if you really want
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: to get at the heart and insult the God of heaven, well,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: you're going to blaspheme him from Israel. And if you're
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: going to do it there, you're going to choose Jerusalem.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: And if you're in Jerusalem, you're going to choose the
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Temple Mount. And if you're there, you're going to choose
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: the temple itself. So it's interesting that to me, the
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Antichrist is, wants the temple built probably more than anybody else.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Because if he's going to accomplish his blasphemy and declare
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: himself to be God in the very temple of God,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: then he is going to help accomplish that goal. And
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I think he is going to betray the Jews. He
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: is going to deceive the Jews. But there's no doubt, again,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: in the framework, that what's happening here is creating a
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: very Jew-centric idea. Because... There's no doubt when we think
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: about the millennial period, this thousand-year period where Jesus is
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: going to rule, he's ruling from Jerusalem. I mean, Psalm 2,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I will set my king on my holy hill of Jerusalem,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: of Zion. And all the law, the Torah, not so
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: much the Mosaic law, but the law of the Messiah
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: will go forth from Jerusalem. So it's interesting that, of course,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the Antichrist tries to mimic whatever Jesus Christ does. And
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: so he's going to help accomplish some of those things.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: So the fact that the Jews are looking to create
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: something where Jerusalem is the center spiritually of the world,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: it's actually not surprising from a biblical perspective, even in
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: the Old Testament. He is the God of Israel, and
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: of course he's the God of the whole world, Paul
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: tells us, but he is the God of Israel there.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: And so to bring all... this ideas we also don't
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: know how long how far away is is the is
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: the lord's return we don't know can you imagine 10
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: years of meetings if they had these meetings over and
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: over for 10 years not saying that's the case but
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: i'm just trying to think outside and go that would
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: create a What we do know is that this time
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: period in 2 Thessalonians 2 is described as a massive
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: time of deception. It's the great delusion, spiritually speaking. So,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: and I think that no doubt, you know, the Jews
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: and the Jews themselves and the whole world, they need Jesus.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Without Jesus, there's salvation for nobody. We know that in
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: John 14, 6 and Acts 4, 12. So, The opposite
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: is going to happen during this period of seven years,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: at least from the Jewish perspective. And the Antichrist certainly
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: is not going to promote Jesus.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, personally, I feel like it makes sense
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: to me that the ultimate religion of the Antichrist is
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: actually Luciferianism. It's not Judaism. It's not Islamic either. Because
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: what did Lucifer do? He basically wanted worship. And that's
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: why he was cast from heaven, you know, I'm like
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: greater than God type of thing. Then he had in
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: the temptations of Jesus, he said, if you will fall
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: down and worship me, all this will be yours. So
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: that's what his obvious thing was. He wanted to be worshipped.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: And then when we look in Revelation, we see that
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: the dragon gives his power to the beast and that
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: all will worship the dragon. Ultimately, so who's the dragon?
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: It's Satan or Lucifer. And so I think when the
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Antichrist finally does get into his position where he causes
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: death and destruction, it will be Luciferianism. It will be
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: ultimately the worship of Lucifer, not the worship of Judaism
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: or Islam or something else that's going to be the
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: end goal religion. I've personally thought that for a very
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: long time because looking at the character of Satan or Lucifer,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: who's behind this whole thing, What does he want? He
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: wants worship. He doesn't want to give his name to
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: somebody else to be worshipped. He's not going to call himself,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: you know, worship Allah or worship Krishna or someone else.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: It's going to be... And what is the technocratic religion ultimately?
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: It's Luciferianism. The bigwigs, the guys with all the money,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: they're not... They might put on a garb of some
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: other religion, but ultimately... It's Luciferianism, and that's what the
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Freemasons are. It's what the original Luminati was. And so
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: to me, it's like, yes, these things can be stepping stones,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: but I don't think ultimately that is what... It's not
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: going to be you're going to be beheaded because you
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: worship God on a certain day, or you're going to
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: be beheaded because you.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Follow or don't follow some other law. You have to
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: do it the Judaistic way or the way of Allah.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to be it. That's my
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: personal opinion, and people are welcome to disagree with it. But,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: you know, for the last quite a number of years,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: that's what I've thought.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Well, it's hard to disagree with you because of what
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: you just said is so scriptural that, again, we know
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: in Daniel 11 that the Antichrist is not going to
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: worship the God of his father's. That phraseology, I've written
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: about this in an article, and I got it from
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: another Hebrew scholar because that phraseology appears 45 times in
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: the Old Testament, and it always refers to Jews. So
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: the fact that the Antichrist doesn't worship the God of
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: his father's It's not just worship the God. It's always
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: used of a Jewish leader. Always. Every one. So I
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: find that fascinating that there, he worships the God of
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: fortresses or the God of war. So you have this
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: very much, which basically is himself. And this is why
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: you have that. 2 Thessalonians 2 declares himself to be God.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: And then, of course, Revelation 13, all the way through there.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Every time the mark of the beast, the phrase mark
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: of the beast, or the mark appears in Revelation, every
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: single time, it's connected with worship. Worship of the beast.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: And the beast, we know in Revelation, holistically, that the
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: beast refers to two things. There's the beast, certainly from
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: the sea, which is referring to the system. The But
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: it's also in Revelation 20, 19 and 20, it's referring
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: to the person, the Antichrist. So the Antichrist is so
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: associated with his system and his empire that you can
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: see that phraseology refers to both of them. And worship
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: is always of the beast, which ultimately says that they
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: worship the dragon. Revelation 12, Revelation 13, you see all
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: this through there. Exactly. what you said is so thoroughly
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: biblical that who's the dragon? Well, we know who the
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: dragon is. That's why we say it's Luciferian because at
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: least for the second half is a hundred percent tied
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: to worship. It's not, you don't take the mark of
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: the beast accidentally.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: It is always tied to, there's an economic component as
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: we know, Revelation 13, 16 through 18, but it's tied
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: to the worship of this figure and ultimately the dragon.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right. That's what I believe. We know that,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: that Satan enters into the Antichrist, the beast, the little horn,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: whatever you want to call them. And so ultimately, when
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: they're standing there wanting to be worshipped, it's who are
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: you going to be worshipping? You're going to be worshipping
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: the one that's possessing them, which is Satan, Lucifer. And
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: as I mentioned earlier, what did he want Jesus to do?
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: If you'll fall down and worship me. And so to me,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: that's where People can get caught up in all sorts of, oh,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: it's going to be this or that or the other thing.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: It's going to be the Noahide laws. No, no, no, no, no,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: it's not. It's going to be the Sunday law. No, no, no, no,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: it's not. It's going to be Islam.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Everyone has their pet theory on it. And so that
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: then puts blinkers on them. They can't see anything outside
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: their own pet theory. And I'm looking at it and going,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: we don't see the whole picture yet. we see what
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: scripture tells us and we have to be really careful
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: that we don't become deceived because we have a preconceived
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: idea as to how it's going to play out.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. A hundred percent again. And there's a distinction between
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: the religion of the first half and the religion of
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: the second half, because we do know as well that
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: revelation nine, it describes people as worshiping demons. I mean, there's, there's,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: there's no doubt that, and that's going to, be directed
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: ultimately towards the dragon, the Luciferian kingdom and all of
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: what that entails. So humility is required in all of this,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: no doubt. We watch it, but I think you think
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: about the, again, the Seventh-day Adventist view that Sunday worship,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: there's going to be a law passed that everybody has
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: to worship on Sunday. And that's going to be, it
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: just doesn't make any sense. Remember this too, that the Jews,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: to their credit, the Jews have always, going back really
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: to the first century, and then of course all into
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: rabbinic Judaism, the Jews have 100% rejected a divine Messiah.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: For them, God is one. There is no divine man.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: But again, they failed to nuance the understanding of what
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: the Bible says, especially the Hebrew Bible. So when they
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: accept this guy as a political deliverer, as a religious person,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: as one who gives them Torah and gives them the temple,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: that's what they're waiting for. So this happens. They're going
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: to be excited. Boom, here it is. And they're going
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: to be working together for the first three and a
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: half years as he consolidates the rest of his empire.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: But then as we know, again, in the middle, he's killed.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: He's resurrected. The 10 kings come together. They hand over
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: their authority, Revelation 17, 12, and 13 to him. They
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: give over their power, their authority, their capabilities. And then
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: they burn the religion with fire, the harlot, because it
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: says that God purposed it and put it in their
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: heart to fulfill his will. But then when he declares
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: himself to be God in 2 Thessalonians 2, the Jews, again,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: consistently are going to go, This isn't our guy. We
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: don't believe in divine messiahs. Okay? So they're going to
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: reject him. Well, naturally, that's not going to go well.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: And then we know that then, according to the dragon
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: in Revelation 12, the dragon turns his attention to destroy
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the Jews, the woman, the woman Israel of Revelation 12,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: and And so the Jews then flee. This is where,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: when the abomination of desolation happens in Matthew 24, 15,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Jesus says, when you see it, he's talking specifically to
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: the Jewish people, you know, get out of town immediately.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Don't even go with your coat pray that it's not
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: on the sabbath okay woe unto those who are nursing
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: he says get out of town because this is where
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: the devil there's a lot of things happening at the
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: midpoint the devil's cast out of heaven the angels michael
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: fights with satan and his angels satan is cast down
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: to the earth he has great wrath it says and
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: he goes to seek to destroy the those that hold
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the testimony of Jesus. So Jesus says, get out. They
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: flee for their lives, the Jewish people. They haven't come
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: to Jesus yet. That doesn't happen really until the end.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: But the religion then switches to this self-worship of this
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: man who declared himself to be God. And then the
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: worship is of him and ultimately of the dragon. So
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: the Jews are no longer part of this. Because, again,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: of their theology of no divine messiahs, they'll recognize that later,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: that the idea of the Father, Son, and the Holy
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Spirit will be revealed to them later. But yes, we
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: know the reality of understanding the fullness of the theology
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  Speaker 1: of the entire Bible, as we know in John 1.1.
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  Speaker 1: In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God,
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  Speaker 1: the Word was God. So we understand Jesus was not
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  Speaker 1: just a man elevated to godhood, It was the second
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  Speaker 1: person of the Godhead coming down and taking on humanity.
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  Speaker 1: So he's always been God. He wasn't elevated to be God.
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  Speaker 1: He's always been God and came down in human flesh.
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  Speaker 1: So that's going to be an interesting development. To me,
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  Speaker 1: I find it, Tony, that it's all so consistent. When
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  Speaker 1: you see all these puzzle pieces put together, it's very,
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  Speaker 1: very consistent all the way through.
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  Speaker 2: So going back to what you were saying in Matthew 24,
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  Speaker 2: so there'll be people that go, no, that what Jesus
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  Speaker 2: was talking about what happened in 70 A.D., the flee
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  Speaker 2: to the mountains and all that. But what I think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people don't understand too is the Jewish
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  Speaker 2: mindset where things repeat in cycles. So this is, it's
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  Speaker 2: like it's happened, but it'll happen again. So as it
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  Speaker 2: happened in 70 AD where the believers knew what Jesus said,
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  Speaker 2: so they fled largely before Titus and the Romans came
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  Speaker 2: in and destroyed Jerusalem. But the thing, the same pattern
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  Speaker 2: will repeat again. And that's what people need to realize.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, and there's no doubt that, you know, those that
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  Speaker 1: hold to a preterist view or partial preterist view, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they've tried really hard to identify some sort of very
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  Speaker 1: specific abomination of desolation that occurred, which has been unsuccessful.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's no doubt that Jesus talked about the
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  Speaker 1: destruction of the temple, no doubt, Luke 21. But, and again,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, there's prophetic, God works this way. Why
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  Speaker 1: is it then that the temple was the original temple
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  Speaker 1: of Solomon was destroyed on the 9th of Av? And
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  Speaker 1: the second one was destroyed on what calendar day? The
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  Speaker 1: 9th of Av. And so there is a pattern there,
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  Speaker 1: but we know that the ultimate pattern was not fulfilled
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  Speaker 1: all of it in 70 AD because Jesus obviously didn't
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  Speaker 1: come back and set up his kingdom, etc. But you
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  Speaker 1: said it right. There's a pattern there that it's going
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  Speaker 1: to happen again. I wouldn't not be surprised then Again,
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  Speaker 1: that when we come to the abomination of desolation spoken
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  Speaker 1: of by Daniel, that's a pattern. That happened. We read
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  Speaker 1: about that in Daniel 9, Daniel 11, Daniel 12. The phraseology,
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  Speaker 1: Jesus says, if you want to know what's going to
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  Speaker 1: happen in the future, look to the past. That started
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  Speaker 1: under Antiochus Epiphanes. It's going to happen again. So the
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  Speaker 1: pattern does repeat, and that's going to be the key
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  Speaker 1: marker in the time of the seventh week of Daniel,
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  Speaker 1: the time of Jacob's trouble. But he will be saved
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  Speaker 1: out of it. So Israel has a very difficult future
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  Speaker 1: ahead because they're going to put their faith and trust
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  Speaker 1: in this false Messiah who's going to give them the
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  Speaker 1: temple and is going to give them the Torah. And
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  Speaker 1: they'll realize in the midpoint that when this guy seeks worship,
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  Speaker 1: we chose poorly.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. So sitting there now listening as Christians to all
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  Speaker 2: of this, What would be the big takeaway? What do
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  Speaker 2: we do with this information and how should it affect
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  Speaker 2: us going forward? Because we don't want to be one
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  Speaker 2: of those that's deceived by whatever the deception is. And
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: we could have talked about AI and all of that,
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  Speaker 2: which is playing big time into, I think, the image
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  Speaker 2: of the beast and the worshipping of the image and
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  Speaker 2: all of that. And we've got robots and all kinds
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  Speaker 2: of other things that could come into this picture. that
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  Speaker 2: we haven't even looked at. But so, so we're facing
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  Speaker 2: this quickly, rapidly advancing beast system is probably the best
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  Speaker 2: way of looking at it. So as Christians sitting here
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  Speaker 2: right now, what should we do?
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's two things that I always say. And what
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  Speaker 1: the first one is, it's not even what I say,
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  Speaker 1: it's what Jesus said, you know, Jesus, in Luke chapter 6,
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  Speaker 1: Jesus says, why do you call me Lord, Lord, but
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: don't obey me? Okay, so that's a reminder that when
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  Speaker 1: Jesus gives a commandment, he's not given a suggestion. And
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: so the commandment in Mark 13, 37, at the end
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  Speaker 1: of describing all these events, he says, what I say
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  Speaker 1: to you, I say to everybody, watch. So the first
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  Speaker 1: commandment that we are to do is we recognize that
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  Speaker 1: as we watch, there is a convergence of prophetic signs.
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  Speaker 1: and that means like, and here we're talking specifically about
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  Speaker 1: some of these, the no hide religion or the, or
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  Speaker 1: the third temple or the red heifer. And then we
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  Speaker 1: could bring in, you know, the AI and how that's
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  Speaker 1: going to participate in the technocratic nature of the beast
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  Speaker 1: system technology and the market, the beast and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the buying and selling, there's all these different lines and
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  Speaker 1: they're all converging right now to recognize that this wasn't
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  Speaker 1: happening 50 years ago. Okay. This wasn't happening. So, what
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  Speaker 1: Jesus said is pay attention. Israel didn't exist a hundred
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  Speaker 1: years ago, but the fact that God brought him back
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  Speaker 1: to the land 78 years ago, he's like, pay attention. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: They're very central at the time of the end. So
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I needed to bring them back so they could fulfill their,
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  Speaker 1: their parts of prophetic understanding in history. So the first
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  Speaker 1: thing is to watch. Okay. Not, not fear. Jesus did
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  Speaker 1: not tell us all these things to produce fear or
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  Speaker 1: anxiety or John 16, 33, Jesus says, I've given you
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  Speaker 1: my peace. My peace is in you. In this world,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to have tribulation, small t, okay? Be of
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  Speaker 1: good cheer. I've overcome the world. So he tells us
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  Speaker 1: these things so that he said, look, I told you
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  Speaker 1: these things in advance so that you would know to
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  Speaker 1: watch that the second coming of the Lord is arriving.
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  Speaker 1: It's not, again, this isn't a hundred years ago where
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  Speaker 1: there was no Israel and you're like, yeah, what signs
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  Speaker 1: do you have? Okay. The second thing he says, is
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  Speaker 1: in Luke chapter 19, verse 13, commandment. And it's in
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  Speaker 1: the parable of the master who went away for a
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  Speaker 1: long time and went away for a period of time.
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  Speaker 1: And then he says, you know, he called his servants
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: and he says, I'm giving you these responsibilities. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to go away for a while. But he says, occupy
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  Speaker 1: until I come. So that's what we're to do with
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: the information is we're to occupy and we're to watch.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: And occupy, what does occupy mean? It means to be
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: busy with your relationship with the Lord. It means to
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: be busy evangelizing. It means to be busy starting ministries.
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  Speaker 1: It means to be busy raising your family in godliness
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: or your friendships. Seeking first the kingdom of God and
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  Speaker 1: his righteousness, Matthew 6.33. That's what it means. It means
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  Speaker 1: to be taking the Lord and the relationship with him
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: 100% serious. You know, I mean, you think about you
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: or myself, we can be, well, the Lord's coming. I guess,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: you know, we should shut down our ministries, you know, because,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: you know, he's going to come back soon. And so
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I just, I'm going to go enjoy myself. No, we're
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: going to be here with these microphones until he actually
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: comes warning people, be ready for the Lord's return and
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: be watching. Those are the two commandments.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, with things like the Noahide, laws or the
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Noahide covenant. Well, they do. They flatly reject Jesus as God.
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  Speaker 2: So we therefore can't support that. So people shouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: going supportive of Noahide laws. It doesn't mean we have
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  Speaker 2: to be hateful towards those people or whatever, but we
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: have to go, no, we don't actually agree with this.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same. If it's Islam, you can't agree with it.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: Or Hinduism or anything else. Or You know, people need,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: there is no salvation except in Jesus as in Acts 4.12,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: like you said. So we can love people and go, hey,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: you know, but we have to stand firm on what
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: our belief is and realize that there is no salvation
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  Speaker 2: anywhere else, whether you're Jew, whether you're Gentile. And so
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: that has got to be it. Our focus has to
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: be on, I guess, telling people you need Jesus as
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: your Lord and Savior, no matter what. or what country
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: you're in. Ultimately, what did Jesus tell us to do
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: is to spread the gospel. That was the Great Commission.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't to support some group or something or to
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: have a social gospel. It was ultimately to tell people
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: they need Jesus. Without salvation in Jesus, they're lost. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: 100%. It's interesting to me that when you look at
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  Speaker 1: all these religions of the world, whatever they are, the
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: various religions, pick one, throw them all in a pot.
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  Speaker 1: The one thing that is a defining factor is the
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: person of Jesus, because And this was the defining factor
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: in his ministry because he said in Matthew 10, 34, look,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't come to bring peace, but division. And division
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  Speaker 1: between a father and his son and a mother and
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: a daughter and a husband and his wife, the division
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: is around the person of Jesus. And this is what
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  Speaker 1: we see. You know, we see this in Islam. If
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: somebody comes to faith in Jesus, now all of a sudden, boom,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: they're considered dead. If you're a Jew or an Orthodox
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Jew and you become a follower of Jesus, they consider
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  Speaker 1: you dead. And it creates this conflict around the person
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  Speaker 1: and the claims of Jesus himself. Again, you know, we
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  Speaker 1: look at our world and we talk about political correctness.
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  Speaker 1: We talk about tolerance. Look, I'm not a prophet. I
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: didn't start a religion. I didn't make any. I'm just
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: a witness and a messenger of To reflect, Jesus says,
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  Speaker 1: I am the way, the truth, and the life. Nobody
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: comes to the Father except through me. I didn't say this.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Jesus said it. And so this is John 14, 6.
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  Speaker 1: He made it very clear that whether you're Jew, you know,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: we see these Jewish religious Jews that are praying at
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  Speaker 1: the wall, and they're bobbing, and they got their books, and,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: you know, they pray. You got Islam, praying five times
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  Speaker 1: a day. These people are sincere. You cannot get to
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  Speaker 1: the Father except through Jesus. If you do not honor
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  Speaker 1: the Son, John 5, 23, if you do not honor
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  Speaker 1: the Son, you do not honor the Father. So there
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  Speaker 1: is no workaround. So all these religions out there, because
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  Speaker 1: of Jesus' words, they're all false. So they're just false.
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  Speaker 1: That's not mean. It's just a fact of Jesus' comments.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: And so as the son of God, as the Messiah,
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  Speaker 1: he says, I came from the father and I'm telling you,
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  Speaker 1: this is the way it is. And so those are facts.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: And so this is the defining factor. So Noahide, again,
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  Speaker 1: what do you see? They don't allow you to follow Jesus.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Judaism doesn't allow you to follow Jesus. Islam doesn't allow
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  Speaker 1: you to follow Jesus as the crucified son of God.
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  Speaker 1: So At the end of the day, this is what
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  Speaker 1: we know, and this is what's coming to a head.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: And this is where you have all, whether it's the
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  Speaker 1: Harlot religion of the first half, or it's the Antichrist
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: beast religion of the second half. Both of them exclude Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: And 1 John 2 tells us that the one who
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  Speaker 1: denies that Jesus is the Messiah is the Antichrist, is
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: the spirit of the Antichrist. That's pretty strong.
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  Speaker 2: So basically... Religions will say Jesus was a prophet or
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Jesus was a good man, Jesus was a good teacher,
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: but they will not say Jesus was who he said
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: he was, which he said in, you find it in John,
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  Speaker 2: where he said, I am, and you will see me
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: coming in the clouds of heaven. And before Abraham was,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: I am. And they knew exactly what he was saying.
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  Speaker 2: He was claiming to be God. So that's why they
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: tried to stone him.
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  Speaker 1: Crystal clear.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: That's it. Basically, it's not a popular view. We're not
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: here to preach a social gospel where Jesus was some
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: prophet along with Muhammad and Krishna and a bunch of others.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: We're saying Jesus was unique. He claimed to be God.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: He said, I am. And the Jews knew exactly what
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: he was claiming when they said that. That's why they
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: hated him. And so as Christians, we can't expect to
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: get favors from people that don't hold that view because
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: they don't like it. And we could face persecution from Jews.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: We could face it from Islamic. We could face it
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: in India from the Hindus or whoever it is. We
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: just have to stand firm and know what our belief
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: is and stick to it. And if you don't know Jesus,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: then you need to, basically. So that's my final thought.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: If you've got any last words, Mondo, share them and
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: also tell people where they find you online.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the fact of the matter is Jesus
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: came to die for us. He didn't tell us to
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  Speaker 1: go out and to force people, to kill people that
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: didn't believe in him. He told us to go out
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: and preach the gospel and to love our enemies. I mean,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: think about that, to love and to bless them. So
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: we're here to share the word. If somebody doesn't want it, then, hey,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: that's between them and the Lord. I'm not here to
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: force it or to condescend anybody. We're simply to be
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: faithful messengers of what Jesus himself said. That's why I say, look,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: don't take it up with me. I'm just here sharing
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: you what he said. So there is all the religions
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: of the world in some form or another preach a
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: works system that hopefully at the end, your good works
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: outweigh your bad works. Every single one. Christianity is unique.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: among all the religions of the world, is that we're
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: all sinners. There's none good, no, not one. And that
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: we're saved not by works, but by grace through faith
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: in Jesus alone. So that's the gospel message. And that
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: really is why we're here. We want people to be
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: rescued and to be saved by him. We know that
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: judgment is coming. And so we're here to warn people
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: because Jesus told us to. And he loves them. He
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: died for them. And so we want them to follow
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: him and to have forgiveness of sin, which only he
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: can provide. And so, again, Tony, I always appreciate coming
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: on because that's why we're here. You know, people want
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: to find us, prophecywatchers.com. Of course, we're on all the
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: social networks. You can find us, but that's our main place.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: And we're busy. We're busy like you are, trying to
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: get the word out and looking and watching and occupying
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: until he comes.