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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody on Dan Horden. Thanks for downloading The
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Speaker 1: Bengals Booth Podcast. The Go Big, Go Big, Go Big,
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Speaker 1: Go Big. Addition, as I introduce you to the new
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Speaker 1: very large man in the middle of the Bengals defense,
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Speaker 1: TJ Slayton. Then it's my final interview from the NFL
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Speaker 1: greatest thing since changing clocks. I did not enjoy losing
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Speaker 1: an hour of sleep last weekend for daylight savings, but
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Speaker 1: I did enjoy going around the house and changing our clocks.
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Speaker 1: It's the one area of my life where I might
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Speaker 1: have a slight case of OCD. You see, it's not
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Speaker 1: enough to just change the clocks. I have to make
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Speaker 1: sure they are synced up perfectly twice a year when
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Speaker 1: it's time to spring forward or fall back. So in
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Speaker 1: our kitchen, for example, I will make sure that the
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Speaker 1: clocks on the wall, coffee maker oven, and toaster oven
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Speaker 1: are all set within a split second of each other.
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Speaker 1: Is it a little obsessive? Absolutely? Is it also oddly satisfying? Three?
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Speaker 1: Two one? Yes. Now let's get to my first guest.
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Speaker 1: So far, in free agency, the Bengals have re signed
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Speaker 1: several of their own key players, including Mike Kasiki, B J. Hill, and,
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Speaker 1: according to published reports, Joseph Oside. They've brought back a
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Speaker 1: valuable player from the Super Bowl fifty six team in
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Speaker 1: running back sama J. P Rin, and added a couple
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Speaker 1: of players from other teams. Linebacker Orrin Berks, who played
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Speaker 1: nearly every snap on defense for Philly in the Eagle
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl win over the Chiefs, is expected to put
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Speaker 1: pen to paper early next week, and defensive tackle TJ. Slayton,
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Speaker 1: who started every game for Green Bay over the last
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Speaker 1: couple of years, signed his Bengals contract on Thursday. It's
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Speaker 1: reportedly a two year, fourteen million dollar deal. Two years ago,
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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus ranked the three hundred and thirty pounds
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Speaker 1: Slaton as the number two nose tackle in the NFL
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Speaker 1: behind the New York Giants Dexter Lawrence. When the Bengals
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Speaker 1: hired new defensive coordinator Al gold and I asked him
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Speaker 1: about trying to acquire somebody like Slayton. Do you feel
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Speaker 1: like it's important to add size inside, particularly playing six
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Speaker 1: games in the AFC.
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Speaker 2: North, no doubt, especially with the running attacks that we'll see.
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Speaker 2: I haven't looked at the schedule yet. Overall, that's something
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Speaker 2: we'll do in the off season. But obviously if you
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Speaker 2: can stop the run, and more importantly than that is
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Speaker 2: you can't always play an out number box in this
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Speaker 2: day and age in the NFL, and so you need
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Speaker 2: some guys that can gap in half or get the
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Speaker 2: ball on the ground without having an out number box.
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Speaker 2: And I think that's where the scheme is important. That's
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Speaker 2: where having that size and strength, and you know, those
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Speaker 2: are the guys that you know, we're hoping to move
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Speaker 2: forward with. You know in the future.
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Speaker 1: Slayton certainly has size and strength, but he's also an
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Speaker 1: athletic freak, and that's where I started our conversation. TJ.
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Speaker 1: You are six four three point thirty, but I looked
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Speaker 1: up some footage on the internet and saw you doing
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Speaker 1: a windmill dunk just a few years ago. Can you
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Speaker 1: still dunk at your size? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean because I'm still working out all the time,
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Speaker 3: so the body is still able to do those things.
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Speaker 3: So you know, I don't think I ever really lost it.
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Speaker 3: It's just every now and then you just slow down,
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Speaker 3: but you know, you got to pick it back up.
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Speaker 3: So usually in the offseason I play basketball.
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Speaker 1: So what are the some of the freaky athletic things
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Speaker 1: that you've done at your size that have made other
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Speaker 1: people go, come.
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Speaker 3: On, no way, I've did a I've done a couple
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Speaker 3: of things, handstands, bat flips, headstands, spin around on it
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Speaker 3: like on the ground on your back.
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Speaker 1: It a lot, so backflip every now and then.
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Speaker 3: I try to stay away from the bat flips, but
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Speaker 3: they could be done.
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Speaker 1: All right, I'd like to see it. That's pretty incredible.
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Speaker 1: So I think people listening to this know that you
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Speaker 1: spent four years with the Green Bay Packers, and for
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Speaker 1: the first three of those seasons, Jerry Montgomery was your
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Speaker 1: defensive line coach. He's now here with that job in Cincinnati.
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Speaker 1: How big of a factor was that connection?
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Speaker 3: Uh? It was big. It was pretty big. Uh. I
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Speaker 3: was one of the I was one of the guys
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Speaker 3: that didn't want to see him go. But now that
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Speaker 3: we and we're both in a place where, you know,
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Speaker 3: we feel good about one another, So I think it's
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Speaker 3: gonna be great.
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Speaker 1: He's a young guy. He almost looks like he could
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Speaker 1: still play. He played your position, he played tackle. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Uh does that help you connect with him? Uh?
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Speaker 3: Most definitely, because then he he understands the ins and outs. Uh,
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Speaker 3: he understands, like if something was going wrong in the game,
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Speaker 3: he he can get it, cause like, well, we played
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Speaker 3: the same position, So I understand what exactly what you're
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Speaker 3: going through, what you're seeing, so I can I know
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Speaker 3: exactly what you need for me to help you get
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Speaker 3: better at the position. So that's good.
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Speaker 1: So your eyes kind of light up as you describe that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Cause it's as I'm saying, as a
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Speaker 3: football player, you always want to get better, you know,
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Speaker 3: you always want to try and find some knowledge or
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Speaker 3: find some something in the game that helped you play faster,
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Speaker 3: or you knowing the formation or knowing where the running
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Speaker 3: back's going to help you play faster so you can
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Speaker 3: be successful.
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Speaker 1: We're visiting the TJ. Slayton. The Bengals have struggled at
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Speaker 1: stopping the run the last couple of years. You are
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Speaker 1: known for your ability to stop the run. Do you
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Speaker 1: take run stopper as a compliment?
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Speaker 3: I take it as that's what I do because at
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Speaker 3: the end of the day, I know I'm not the
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Speaker 3: best pass rusher. I'm not saying I can't pass rush,
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Speaker 3: but stopping the run is my number one on when
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Speaker 3: it comes to the list of things to do in
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Speaker 3: the game, I gotta stop the run before I can
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Speaker 3: rush the passer or play a screen or whatever. I
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Speaker 3: got to stop the run first.
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Speaker 1: ESPN graded you as the number one defensive tackle in
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Speaker 1: run stopping win rate last year. I assume that you've
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Speaker 1: heard that or saw that stat what's a take. What's
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Speaker 1: it take to be the guy that does the dirty
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Speaker 1: work and stops to run.
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Speaker 3: It's all in the technique. Come out your hips, use
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Speaker 3: your hands, knock the guy back and shed them off
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Speaker 3: and make the play.
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Speaker 1: How much of it is want to.
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Speaker 3: Every play, every player that you see, you want to make.
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Speaker 3: You want to make it. You want you want to
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Speaker 3: play to be yours. So at the end of the day,
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Speaker 3: like you going as hard as you can to try
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Speaker 3: to make that play. So I feel like i'ma be
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Speaker 3: able to trans I feel like I'm gonna be able
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Speaker 3: to transition pretty well.
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Speaker 1: Here. Defense takes all eleven. But how much of a
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Speaker 1: difference can one guy make at stopping the run in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the defensive.
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Speaker 3: Line, Because it's like it's it's like it gets repetitive,
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Speaker 3: it gets like frustrating for the running back, like he
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Speaker 3: keeps trying to run the ball in the A gaps,
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Speaker 3: keep trying to run the ball in the B gaps,
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Speaker 3: and it's not working.
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Speaker 4: Like what's going on.
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Speaker 3: It's gonna it's kind of demoralizing for offense that they
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Speaker 3: can't run the ball. So it's like, that's that's good
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Speaker 3: for my confidence, and I'm pretty sure that's gonna be
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Speaker 3: good for it nobody else confidence around me. It's like,
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Speaker 3: we're doing our job, so that's something we should, you know,
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Speaker 3: we should feel good about.
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Speaker 1: We're chatting with TJ. Slayton, one of your most impressive
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Speaker 1: traits in your four NFL seasons is that you've never
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Speaker 1: missed a game regular season or postseason, and the Packers
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Speaker 1: went to the playoffs three times in your four years.
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Speaker 1: You had to play through a lot. I mean, nobody
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Speaker 1: stays completely healthy through seventeen eighteen nineteen games, whatever it
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Speaker 1: was in a season. What were some of the thought
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Speaker 1: some of the things you gutted through.
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Speaker 3: I've had my knicks, uh, thumbs, fingers, turf toe, ankle
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Speaker 3: ten and night is shoulders. It's not easy, you know,
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Speaker 3: but I love the game and I don't want to
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Speaker 3: miss a game, so I always try to. I don't know,
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Speaker 3: I fight through a lot of stuff and that that's
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Speaker 3: good and a bad thing, but I don't view it
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Speaker 3: as a bad thing because I want to be out there. Uh.
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Speaker 3: I probably mostly one hundred percent of the time, I'm
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Speaker 3: will tell the Chrainers however, I feel I'm still going
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Speaker 3: to play.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 3: But it's just like I think, I honestly believe, like
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Speaker 3: it's me not growing up with like brothers. So I
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Speaker 3: always want to, you know, be out there playing with
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Speaker 3: my brothers, and I always wanted to. I don't want
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Speaker 3: to miss a game because I know how they feel
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Speaker 3: when they miss a game, So I don't want that feeling.
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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, like, that's how
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Speaker 3: that's how I see it.
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Speaker 1: That means a lot to the people in the room.
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Speaker 1: How much respect do you think you've gained for your
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Speaker 1: teammates in Green Bay from never missing a game in
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Speaker 1: four years.
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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure they can look back on it and
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Speaker 3: be like, he's solid, he ain't gonna miss a game.
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Speaker 3: He always gonna play through whatever he got going on,
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Speaker 3: or at least he's gonna try. I think one thing
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Speaker 3: they can probably say, it could say is about me,
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Speaker 3: is like I play I played hard when I was
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Speaker 3: out there.
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Speaker 1: You were a high school All American as an offensive lineman.
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Speaker 1: I know you played both, but you're graded as the
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Speaker 1: number three guard in your high school class. How did
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Speaker 1: you become a defensive lineman full time at Florida?
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Speaker 3: Uh? I just switched, just switched over. I asks the coaches, like,
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Speaker 3: you know, could I play defense?
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Speaker 1: Uh?
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Speaker 3: They was like, and they said they needed some help.
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Speaker 3: They agreed to it, and that's how we ended up
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Speaker 3: on the defensive side of the ball.
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Speaker 1: Do you like that side of the ball more? Having
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Speaker 1: played both?
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Speaker 3: I like defense?
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Speaker 5: Better.
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Speaker 3: I like defense better. Offense was fun in high school,
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Speaker 3: you know, blocking for Tony Mitchell and Isaiah McKinsey and
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Speaker 3: all that. That was fun, but it was like when
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Speaker 3: I was chasing back then, I was chasing like individual success.
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Speaker 3: So once I got to college, that kind of defense
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Speaker 3: showed me, you know, what it all was about. And
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Speaker 3: on defensive side of the ball, it takes all the living.
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Speaker 3: So and once I got behind that, and once I
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Speaker 3: started believing in that, everything just started falling into place
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Speaker 3: and everything really started taking off.
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Speaker 1: Jerry Montgomery is not your only connection at Cincinnati. Your
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Speaker 1: former high school and college team. Marco Wilson is here,
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Speaker 1: Money mac Evan McPherson is here. Does that add to
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Speaker 1: your comfort level knowing that you'll walk into a locker
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Speaker 1: room with some guys that you've already played with.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I trained with I trained with cam Uh,
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Speaker 3: So that was fun. You know, it's always, you know,
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Speaker 3: fun to be around people that you've known before, So
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Speaker 3: it brings you some comfort, so you don't feel like
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Speaker 3: you're all alone in a new place. So that's good.
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Speaker 3: That's that's actually great for me because I mean I
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Speaker 3: wouldn't say it like it gets to me. But it's good,
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Speaker 3: you know, to have people around that.
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Speaker 1: You know Cam Sample when you said you trained with Cam, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because there's Cam Taylor Britt as well, so just.
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Speaker 3: Check it is Sample the Detagler.
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Speaker 1: So you had it good in Green Bay. The team
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Speaker 1: was good, you had individual success. I know you weren't
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Speaker 1: necessarily looking to leave, but football is a business. Did
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Speaker 1: this underscore or that aspect of the career?
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Speaker 3: Oh, I wouldn't say underscore. It was just like, you know,
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Speaker 3: I got drafted there, four year deal. You know, it
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Speaker 3: came to it and you thought you did enough, you know,
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Speaker 3: to stay, or you did enough to deserve to stay,
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Speaker 3: but you know that just wasn't the case. So no
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Speaker 3: hard feelings, you know, it's just it's just time to
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Speaker 3: move on.
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Speaker 1: Your rookie year, the Bengals went to the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: The next year, they went to the AFC Championship Game.
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Speaker 1: Obviously the last couple of years haven't gone quite as well.
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Speaker 1: But since you've been in this league, the Bengals have
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Speaker 1: been considered to be a contender. Yeah, what's that mean
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Speaker 1: to you? Joining the team now.
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Speaker 3: That means they have the guys, That mean they have
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Speaker 3: the vision and they have the mindset to go out
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Speaker 3: there and execute and get to the dance. So like
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Speaker 3: realizing that, how can you not say though, you got
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Speaker 3: people around here, even people upstairs, who understand what it
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Speaker 3: takes to get to the most important game that we
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Speaker 3: all dream of playing in. So it's just like, no
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Speaker 3: disrespect to the guys at Green Bay. I'm not saying
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Speaker 3: they didn't know what I'm saying, but this organization has
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Speaker 3: been there and then has been close the next year,
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Speaker 3: so they know exactly what it takes to get over
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Speaker 3: the hunt of those first two games that you need
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Speaker 3: to get over in the playoffs. So it's like, Okay,
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Speaker 3: I got that, plus I got a coach, and plus
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Speaker 3: I got a team, so it's like, all right, cool,
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Speaker 3: I can work for that.
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Speaker 1: I think if you ask a lot of people around
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Speaker 1: the league about the Bengals, they would say, as long
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Speaker 1: as you got a quarterback like Joe Burrow, you got
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Speaker 1: a chance to win the whole thing.
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Speaker 3: He got pieces. I think the offense is great, especially
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Speaker 3: with the receivers him the running back all the way
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Speaker 3: down to Olamas. So I know from watching them from TV,
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Speaker 3: I know that he got it under control, you know,
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Speaker 3: And I know from the TV that, like, you know,
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Speaker 3: you could tell from his eyes that you know, he
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Speaker 3: want to play, He want to win the championship. He
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Speaker 3: wanted to continue to be a you know, a great quarterback.
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Speaker 3: Obviously you could tell he doesn't want like the little
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Speaker 3: things to happen, interceptions, the close losses, like nobody wants that.
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Speaker 3: But I can get behind Joe.
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Speaker 1: You're an established bro, You're not a fan boy. But
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Speaker 1: is there anybody here that you're kind of excited to meet,
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Speaker 1: whether it's Joe or Jamar or anybody else on the steam?
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Speaker 3: Uh, I think, I think, I think I have fun,
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Speaker 3: you know, chopping up with bj like for the first time.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I've watched highlights and I've seen him, but
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Speaker 3: I ain't really get to see him. I ain't really
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Speaker 3: get to speak to him or like understand like you know,
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Speaker 3: where his football game comes from or whatever whatnot, so
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Speaker 3: that it's gonna be interested.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys will hit it off famously, I'm sure. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you are exactly what this defense needs, a big immovable
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Speaker 1: object in the middle of the defensive line. We're happier here.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time. Look forward to seeing you play
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Speaker 1: this year.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate it. With Slayton in the middle of their defense,
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Speaker 1: the Packers finished third in the NFL in rushing yards
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Speaker 1: allowed per attempt and seventh and rushing alloweds per game.
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Speaker 1: Last year. The Bengals were sixteenth and nineteenth in those
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Speaker 1: Up next Charles Davis, who calls NFL games for CBS
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Speaker 1: and covers the draft for the NFL Network. I caught
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Speaker 1: up with him recently at the NFL Scouting Combine, a
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Speaker 1: few days after Duke toe and called the Bengals a
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Speaker 1: championship caliber team.
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Speaker 4: I agree with Duke that they are championship caliber team.
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Speaker 5: I think what we've got to look at, though, is
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Speaker 5: they didn't make it two years ago, and that was
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Speaker 5: an easy reason why Joe.
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Speaker 4: Burrow was hurt last year.
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Speaker 5: Not making a little more problematic so I think, based
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Speaker 5: off of what I'm seeing, what Duke's saying is, we
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Speaker 5: have pieces, we have players. What he's expecting is players
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Speaker 5: to play better and new staff, especially on the defensive
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Speaker 5: side of the ball, that they will be better that way.
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Speaker 4: And if so, they're right back in the mixing, back
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Speaker 4: in the fight.
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Speaker 5: I think that he is saying that to make sure
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Speaker 5: everybody knows this organization doesn't plan to go anywhere, and
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Speaker 5: behind the scenes, I think he must to make a
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Speaker 5: few moves.
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Speaker 1: He also expressed confidence that they can extend the contracts
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Speaker 1: of Jamar Chase t Higgins and Trey Hendrickson. It's obviously
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Speaker 1: a lot of money. Do you buy it? Do you
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Speaker 1: find yourself skeptical? Where do you stand on that?
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Speaker 4: I buy it?
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Speaker 5: And the reason I buy it is that quarterback. You know,
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Speaker 5: when you have him, you gotta figure it out. Okay,
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Speaker 5: I realize he said the windows always open if I'm here.
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Speaker 5: That's great confidence, and in most cases he's probably right.
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Speaker 4: But he can't do it by himself.
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Speaker 5: He's got to have that help and you have to
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Speaker 5: have your core. And Dan, we've seen wherever the best
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Speaker 5: teams are, their core kind of stays intact. And you
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Speaker 5: have to build into pieces around them because of free
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Speaker 5: agency and how people move, but that core goes with you.
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Speaker 4: That's a pretty good core right there. Best pass you know, number.
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Speaker 5: One sat guy last year, number one receiver with the
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Speaker 5: triple crowd quarterback dead in any other year was an MVP.
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Speaker 4: You better take care of everyone.
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Speaker 5: Oh, by the way, T Higgins, Reggie Wayne, and Marvin Harrison.
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Speaker 5: Harrison was the one, Wayne was the two. Harrison retires,
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Speaker 5: Wayne became the one seamlessly. This is one of the
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Speaker 5: few places where you could envision that as well. If
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Speaker 5: Jamar Chase isn't there, you have a one and is.
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Speaker 1: T Higgins and no issue with spending that much money
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Speaker 1: on one position.
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Speaker 5: Group is always an issue, but you've got to figure
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Speaker 5: it out because that's how you score points, that's where
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Speaker 5: your identity is, that's where your team is. So if
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Speaker 5: you're going to put the money in there, you may
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Speaker 5: not be able to put the same money in your defense.
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Speaker 4: But your defense has to play to a minimum level.
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Speaker 5: Last year they didn't for whatever reason. They did not
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Speaker 5: surprise me as much as problem with anyone else out there.
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Speaker 5: But if they just play to a minimum level with
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Speaker 5: that offense, you.
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Speaker 4: Like your chances.
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Speaker 1: Have you been at all surprised by how public Joe
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Speaker 1: Burrow has been, beginning with about a month ago in
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Speaker 1: the season, for what he would like to see the
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Speaker 1: Bengals front office do.
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Speaker 4: With most people, I'd say yes.
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Speaker 5: With Joe Burrow, I say no, because that's to me,
18:47
Speaker 5: that's the core of who.
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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow is not going to talk a heck of
18:51
Speaker 4: a lot. You know that better than anyone. He's not.
18:54
Speaker 4: You know, like when we do our production meetings with him, he.
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Speaker 5: Comes in, he shakes hands, he sits down, he looks
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Speaker 5: at the comp does't he like, time's yours?
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Speaker 4: What do you want? And I think that we're very
19:03
Speaker 4: good with at our crew.
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Speaker 5: We believe that we are, and we hope that Joe
19:06
Speaker 5: would agree with us, ask our questions. Don't linger. We're
19:10
Speaker 5: not trying to play hail fellow. Well met He doesn't
19:12
Speaker 5: care about that. He's not rude, but that's not what
19:15
Speaker 5: his business is. His business winning football games. That's why
19:18
Speaker 5: I'm not surprised he said something. He knows he's the franchise,
19:21
Speaker 5: he knows he's the guy, and he knows what he
19:24
Speaker 5: wants out of his team and his offense, and there's
19:26
Speaker 5: a loyalty in that statement as well.
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Speaker 4: These guys are produced for me. I want them taking care.
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Speaker 1: Of Charles Davis is our guest. I've heard from several
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Speaker 1: NFL draft gurus that if you are looking for defensive linemen,
19:39
Speaker 1: this is a good year to need them. Do you agree?
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Speaker 4: I agree totally.
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Speaker 5: And you know my colleague Daniel Jeremiah, who is the
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Speaker 5: best in this business of this draft stuff from our.
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Speaker 4: TV side, He's called a meat and potatoes draft, so
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Speaker 4: I don't see any reason to try and term it
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Speaker 4: anything else.
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Speaker 5: I think that he is right about that. They're defensive
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Speaker 5: lineman all the way through. Big guys inside edge Rusher's
20:04
Speaker 5: not quite the same, but still guys who can make
20:08
Speaker 5: plays like Landon Jackson is this big monster guy from
20:11
Speaker 5: from Arkansas. Love the way he plays, will battle you,
20:13
Speaker 5: get the extra effort and all probably not double digitsat
20:17
Speaker 5: guy though, even though he's gonna probably play on the edge,
20:19
Speaker 5: but he'll beat you.
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Speaker 4: Up all day long. All right, Can you move inside?
20:22
Speaker 5: And you know you got Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant
20:25
Speaker 5: from Michigan. I don't know how anyone move the ball
20:27
Speaker 5: on that duo. And that's just a couple of guys
20:29
Speaker 5: that we're starting with. We could go out all day,
20:32
Speaker 5: but I think he's right.
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Speaker 1: I don't think i've seen Charles Davis's mock draft one
20:36
Speaker 1: point oh yet. It's not out there yet. Any thought though,
20:41
Speaker 1: what position group or where you're likely to have the
20:44
Speaker 1: Bengals choosing.
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Speaker 4: Boy, I hadn't even thought about that part of it yet.
20:49
Speaker 5: I have to wait and see, Dan, We'll see where
20:51
Speaker 5: we go.
20:51
Speaker 4: I'm gonna end up doing three, all right.
20:53
Speaker 5: I'll do one probably right after probably about the week
20:56
Speaker 5: after the combine, be my first one, and then there'll
20:59
Speaker 5: be a second, probably mid March, and then a third
21:01
Speaker 5: one right before the draft, and we'll just see where
21:05
Speaker 5: it all goes.
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Speaker 4: But I know this, We're not.
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Speaker 5: Gonna have to wait to number fifteen pick to get
21:09
Speaker 5: our first defensive player this year.
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Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Eagles are the reigning Super Bowl champions. They've
21:16
Speaker 1: done a phenomenal job in team building. Howie Roseman gets
21:20
Speaker 1: all the flowers, and it's well deserved. Is there anything
21:23
Speaker 1: Philly is doing that Cincinnati can steal or can try
21:29
Speaker 1: to emulate from a team building standpoint?
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Speaker 5: I think they're doing what all teams talk to us
21:34
Speaker 5: about they're just doing it really well, and that is
21:37
Speaker 5: you take care of your lines, your offensive and defensive lines, and.
21:41
Speaker 4: You work your way from there. But they've hit, you
21:44
Speaker 4: know they've hit.
21:45
Speaker 5: It's not just drafting people and hoping. You're always hoping
21:50
Speaker 5: when you draft, they've really hit. Like Jalen Carter was
21:54
Speaker 5: not supposed to be available at the number nine pick.
21:57
Speaker 5: He was the best player in the draft, and then
21:59
Speaker 5: he got in trouble right before the draft. So now
22:02
Speaker 5: he goes into play and when he got to a
22:05
Speaker 5: certain range, Philadelphia said go and they jumped up and
22:09
Speaker 5: got him. And I think they had to go what
22:10
Speaker 5: two spots to get him because at ten he was
22:13
Speaker 5: gonna be gone. Guess what they got it done. Jordan
22:16
Speaker 5: Davis has elevated his play as a first round guy
22:20
Speaker 5: inside and has increased stamina. You know, you flicking that
22:23
Speaker 5: offensive line model. One thing I think Hawi Rosemand does
22:28
Speaker 5: really well is that he drafts ahead of time. For drafting.
22:32
Speaker 5: Cam Jurgens came in as their center of the future
22:36
Speaker 5: for Jason Kelsey. You remember Dan, We thought maybe Jason
22:39
Speaker 5: was going one more year, but.
22:40
Speaker 4: He go another three.
22:42
Speaker 5: So they put Cam Jurgens a guard and told that,
22:44
Speaker 5: so he's gonna get experienced. He moved over seamlessly. This year,
22:47
Speaker 5: they're still running that quarterback lead and he's the one
22:51
Speaker 5: snapman and pulling.
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Speaker 4: If you didn't see a sixty te right, if you
22:54
Speaker 4: didn't see his number, you'd swear Kelsey was back out
22:57
Speaker 4: there doing it again.
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Speaker 5: That was how he roseman, seeing future, getting ahead of it,
23:02
Speaker 5: and already backfilling off of it.
23:04
Speaker 4: About Mackay Beckton, Remember the T shirt you wore. I
23:08
Speaker 4: am a.
23:08
Speaker 5: Left tackle, and okay, you may think your left tack,
23:12
Speaker 5: but you're on your last stop here, dude, all right,
23:14
Speaker 5: because you're gonna compete to be the swing tackle.
23:18
Speaker 4: And then one day someone was.
23:20
Speaker 5: Out and Jeff Stoutlin, the great Offensilza, take some reps
23:23
Speaker 5: at guard. Oh and then he said, okay, guess what,
23:27
Speaker 5: You're not competing for the starting guard job with Tyler
23:29
Speaker 5: Steve wins the job.
23:31
Speaker 4: You think you could get Mackai beck Dion to want
23:33
Speaker 4: to be a tackle again. No, his whole career is transformed.
23:36
Speaker 5: They do a great job drafting, they do a great
23:38
Speaker 5: job developing, coaching, all those things that go along with it.
23:43
Speaker 5: To me, the lesson is you have to have it all.
23:45
Speaker 5: You can't just have the draft, you can't just have
23:47
Speaker 5: the coaching, can't just have the talent.
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Speaker 4: Philadelphia maximizes it, every bit of it.
23:53
Speaker 1: You have had the good fortune misfortune. I don't know
23:57
Speaker 1: of calling the Bengals season opener in recent years, and
24:00
Speaker 1: clearly this is something that's got to be fixed. Yeah,
24:04
Speaker 1: well they got to find a way to fix it.
24:05
Speaker 1: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and
24:08
Speaker 1: hoping for a different result, So they've got to mix
24:11
Speaker 1: it up. Any theories, I wish.
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Speaker 4: I had one, because I thought we had it last year.
24:15
Speaker 1: Dan.
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Speaker 5: Truthfully, I thought the theory was very simple, that Joe
24:19
Speaker 5: Burrow had been hurt right or coming off of injury
24:23
Speaker 5: the year before, so his preseason wasn't full on.
24:26
Speaker 4: Remember what was it happened Deck to me? One year?
24:29
Speaker 5: Right, he's coming off in acl one year, all those things.
24:33
Speaker 5: Last year we didn't have that. He was able to
24:36
Speaker 5: practice full I thought, boy, they are primed now to
24:39
Speaker 5: get out of the gate and go.
24:41
Speaker 4: No one more surprised. Listen, I know Cincinnati fans were stunned.
24:45
Speaker 5: No one was more surprised than us in the announcementoth
24:47
Speaker 5: watching that New England opener, none of us like, in
24:51
Speaker 5: no way anyone saw it. I think we go into
24:54
Speaker 5: every game knowing anything can happen, but we're human. No
24:59
Speaker 5: one that like, WHOA, what just happened here? So my
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Speaker 5: theory's out in the window. Now I've got nothing because
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Speaker 5: I thought the theory was just get Joe healthy and
25:07
Speaker 5: have a good preseason. That wasn't it either.
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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see if they play guys in the preseason
25:14
Speaker 1: what else they might try. I'm sure they're gonna try
25:16
Speaker 1: something different. We'll see if it produces a better result.
25:19
Speaker 1: In any case, you're crazy busy here in Indianapolis. I
25:22
Speaker 1: really appreciate you getting us some of your time. Look
25:24
Speaker 1: forward to a seeing you next year.
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Speaker 4: Hey, no busier than you are. Thanks a lot. It's
25:27
Speaker 4: always great to see you.
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Speaker 1: Since that conversation, Charles has released his first mock draft.
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Speaker 1: He has quarterbacks Shador Sanders, cam Ward and Jackson Dart
25:39
Speaker 1: going one, two three, and has the Bengals selecting Texas
25:43
Speaker 1: A and m Edge rusher Shamar Stewart seventeenth overall. Stuart
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Speaker 1: is six' five just under two hundred and seventy pounds
25:51
Speaker 1: and ran the forty yard dash in four point five nine.
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Speaker 1: Seconds his vertical, leap again at nearly two hundred and seventy,
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Speaker 1: pounds was forty. Inches the knock On steward is that
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Speaker 1: his incredible athleticism didn't lead to great production At TEXAS
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