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Change Your Mind Change Your Life! · Life TV now

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  Speaker 1: What if the biggest obstacle between you and the change
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  Speaker 1: you want in life isn't your circumstances, but your mindset.
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  Speaker 1: Every day, people make plans, they set goals and try
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  Speaker 1: to reach them, only to stay stuck in the same
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  Speaker 1: old patterns of behavior over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 1: So why does this happen? Is it a lack of
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  Speaker 1: discipline or something deeper. Today we're diving into how your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts shape your behavior and how changing the way you
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  Speaker 1: think could change your life. Hello everybody, and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: Life TV Now, where we unpack all matters of truth,
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  Speaker 1: faith and freedom. I'm Joe artists Horned. Today for some
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  Speaker 1: of you watching this program, you're about to experience a
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  Speaker 1: whole new way of thinking and it might just change
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  Speaker 1: your life. Before we dive in, let me introduce who's here.
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  Speaker 1: She's an integrative nutrition health coach with a Master of
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  Speaker 1: Science and health education. Please welcome our executive director, Jamie Woodle,
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  Speaker 1: and she's a motivational speaker and clinical therapist with a
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  Speaker 1: master's degree in counseling and training in neuro feedback and
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  Speaker 1: mindset transformation. She helps people break through mental and emotional
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  Speaker 1: barriers to create healthier more fulfilling lives. Alongside her husband,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Steve Traeger, she co leads Step into Vitality, a
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  Speaker 1: wellness consulting practice focused on sustainable physical and mental health.
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  Speaker 1: Please welcome Debbie Traeger. Debbie, I've been aware of some
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  Speaker 1: of your work, not all of it, but some of it,
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  Speaker 1: and I have been maximum impressed with what I've seen
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  Speaker 1: over the last few years. We share mutual friends with
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  Speaker 1: people like doctor Ralph Umbriaco, doctor Steve Hewlett, doctor Ann Hines,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Rachel Shock, and of course, by way of introduction,
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  Speaker 1: our good mutual friend who is also in studio today,
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  Speaker 1: the one and only Billy Coppage. Billy is the one
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  Speaker 1: behind what I perceive to be the fastest growing healthcare
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  Speaker 1: conference in the nation, The Secrets in Healthcare. Wonderful Doctors,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Brian Artist, John Richardson. It's just a stacked card.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be happening later this November, and we'll be talking
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  Speaker 1: with you as the week's unfold about that event and
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  Speaker 1: how to get tickets and to make sure you don't
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  Speaker 1: miss it. But one of the presenters and I saw
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  Speaker 1: you in twenty twenty four the first time, and then
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  Speaker 1: again last year at the secrets in healthcare. You have
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  Speaker 1: this dynamite way of helping people overcome what maybe aren't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily circumstantial based dilemmas in life, but maybe more mental
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  Speaker 1: blockages or lack of perception, or maybe the need for
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  Speaker 1: a shift in perspective. And that might be the most
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  Speaker 1: profound way to help loosen somebody maybe into their call
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  Speaker 1: or pursue what God has for them in life. You've
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  Speaker 1: made it your mission to help people. What before we
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  Speaker 1: get into that personally drove you though to get into
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  Speaker 1: this line of helping humankind.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I saw how understanding mindset changed my life and
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  Speaker 2: understood that there were so many opportunities as I grew
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  Speaker 2: up that I missed out on because I was too afraid.
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  Speaker 2: I was afraid of failing. And so when I look
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  Speaker 2: back and say, oh, if I had only known what
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  Speaker 2: I know now, there's so many other things I would
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  Speaker 2: have done. And so people aren't really limited by their abilities.
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  Speaker 2: They're limited by their beliefs and the stories they tell themselves.
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  Speaker 2: And so if I can just help people break through
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  Speaker 2: those limiting beliefs so they can, like you said, pursue
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  Speaker 2: their passion and their dreams, then that's what I want
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  Speaker 2: to be about.
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  Speaker 1: We had an interesting moment right before we started rolling, folks,
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  Speaker 1: where we're standing right behind where I'm at right now,
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  Speaker 1: next to the edge of what is about a foot platform,
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  Speaker 1: and I said to one of my constituents, I said,
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  Speaker 1: don't fall, and Debbie goes, don't say don't fall, say
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  Speaker 1: stand firmly on the platform. And I'm like, she's already
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  Speaker 1: doing it. She's already working on me. What made you
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  Speaker 1: realize that focusing on what you want is more powerful
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  Speaker 1: than focusing on what you're trying to avoid.
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  Speaker 2: Well, so, actually in high school I realized this. So
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  Speaker 2: I was playing basketball. I did a lot of sports,
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  Speaker 2: and so there's some games I was really on and
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  Speaker 2: some games I was totally off, and I started thinking about,
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  Speaker 2: why is that. It's not like I got that much
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  Speaker 2: worse two days later or something, Right, So I started
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  Speaker 2: just kind of paying attention to what I was thinking
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  Speaker 2: about during those games.
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  Speaker 3: And so the games that I was so focused.
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  Speaker 2: On, oh, don't screw up, don't make a mistake, don't
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  Speaker 2: throw the ball away, don't miss the shot, has exactly
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  Speaker 2: what I did. And so the games I played, well,
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  Speaker 2: I was just in the moment and I was just
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  Speaker 2: playing and having fun. And I just didn't have all
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  Speaker 2: this pressure on myself. And I started studying other athletes
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  Speaker 2: and seeing what they did, and I'm like, Okay, I
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  Speaker 2: just need to focus on what I want. And I
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  Speaker 2: also read another book called Think Thin and Beefin, and
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  Speaker 2: it talked about I had gained twenty five pounds my
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  Speaker 2: freshman year in high school, and if you're an athlete,
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  Speaker 2: twenty five pounds on the court is a lot to
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  Speaker 2: drag around it.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm doing the math.
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  Speaker 2: I say, Okay, if I keep this up my senior year,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to be one hundred pounds overweight. So I've
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  Speaker 2: got to figure this out. I really started studying diets
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  Speaker 2: and focusing I got to lose weight.
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  Speaker 3: I gotta lose weight.
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  Speaker 2: Well, then I found this book, and of course I'd
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  Speaker 2: lose some and then gain that back plus twice as much.
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  Speaker 2: And so I read this book and it said, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: when you focus on the weight, you just gain more weight.
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  Speaker 2: So whatever you focus on, that's what you get more of.
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  Speaker 2: And so when I realized that, it's like, Okay, quit
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  Speaker 2: focusing on the weight and just start focusing on eating
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  Speaker 2: the good foods that you want to eat, and then
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  Speaker 2: people think differently than overweight people. So you really start
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  Speaker 2: to think like advantaging yourself as if you've already achieved
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  Speaker 2: the goal. So if I want to be a thin
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  Speaker 2: person then or a healthy person, I just start I
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  Speaker 2: need to start thinking like a thin or a healthy person.
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  Speaker 3: So what would a healthy person do? What choices would
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  Speaker 3: they make?
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  Speaker 2: And just start acting as if you've already accomplished that goal.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting that you see it framed that way because
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  Speaker 1: I have said my whole life that people's fear of
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  Speaker 1: places like hell or discipline from God, they typically aren't
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  Speaker 1: sustainable methodologies for I guess walking in a Christian calling,
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  Speaker 1: walking in His will for your life. They're very fleeting.
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  Speaker 1: And of course my father was the late great doctor
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Horne. He did big tent revivals in the seventies.
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  Speaker 1: He led innumerable people to the Lord, and he often
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  Speaker 1: would say that that people would, you know, they would
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  Speaker 1: listen to the hell fire brimstone messages and they would
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  Speaker 1: be scared into Jesus. Right. They'd find they come to
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  Speaker 1: Jesus because they want to avoid discipline or chaos or
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  Speaker 1: the hell fire and the brimstone. But being motivated by
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  Speaker 1: a fearful outcome is usually not super sustainable. People are
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  Speaker 1: more attracted to falling in love with Jesus when they
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  Speaker 1: experience his holding power and his blessings. And you're doing
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  Speaker 1: this life, that's going to be what filled with trouble.
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  Speaker 1: Right in this life, there's going to be what trouble.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus is a sustaining power that helps us get through
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  Speaker 1: those things. I want to bring up a scripture very
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  Speaker 1: quickly Romans twelve two, because I think it applies here.
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  Speaker 1: It says, do not conform to the pattern of this world,
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  Speaker 1: but be transformed by the renewing of your mind Debbie Traeger.
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  Speaker 1: Then you will be able to test and approve what
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  Speaker 1: God's will is, his good, pleasing and perfect will. Is
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  Speaker 1: that not what Debbie's describing it? Why do you think
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  Speaker 1: it's human? Can I say it's human nature? I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you agree with that, but at least from
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  Speaker 1: my vantage point, why do you think so many people,
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  Speaker 1: if it's not human nature in total, get stuck focusing
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  Speaker 1: on what they're afraid of or what they want to avoid,
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  Speaker 1: and that becomes their motivation to go this way as
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  Speaker 1: opposed to embracing the thing that maybe God's leading them forward.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think that that's kind of the way over design, honestly.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's our ego is there to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that we get from birth to death as safe as possible.
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  Speaker 2: So it's always like looking out for, you know, what
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  Speaker 2: to avoid so they can keep you safe. But sometimes
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  Speaker 2: that gets in the way of you actually being able
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  Speaker 2: to pursue your goals because that fear, that fight or
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  Speaker 2: flight is put in it to us by God just
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  Speaker 2: to keep us safe from getting eaten by wild animals
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  Speaker 2: and a and that's a fear that we should, you know, respect, right. However,
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  Speaker 2: that same feeling, that same you know, fear gets kind
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  Speaker 2: of wrapped up when we just feel uncomfortable, and then
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  Speaker 2: that same fight or flight feeling when we're just doing
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  Speaker 2: something new that is kind of over that overwhelming fear
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  Speaker 2: kind of comes onto us. It almost feels like it's
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  Speaker 2: like a bear chasing it's when it's really not, and
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  Speaker 2: so we want to avoid that. So I think that's
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  Speaker 2: just way our brain's designed is to keep us safe,
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  Speaker 2: and so we avoid things that make us feel uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 2: That's the reason I try to do things that make
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  Speaker 2: me feel uncomfortable all the time, because just.
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  Speaker 3: To get used to that.
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  Speaker 2: This is how you always feel when you're doing something new.
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  Speaker 2: And fear shows up a lot of different ways. Sometimes
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  Speaker 2: it looks like procrastination, it looked like over analyzing, like
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  Speaker 2: you've got to get all the information before you're going
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  Speaker 2: to do anything.
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  Speaker 3: And that's just really kind of your brain.
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  Speaker 2: Just protecting you, because your brain just wants to your
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  Speaker 2: subconscious just wants to stay with the running program. It
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  Speaker 2: doesn't like change, and so it will do its best
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  Speaker 2: just to keep you stuck in this little platform. So
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  Speaker 2: doesn't want to change. So fear can show up a
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  Speaker 2: lot of different ways.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny that you described that that way, because I've
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  Speaker 1: always thought that was one of my giftings. But arendous
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  Speaker 1: physical tolls for thinking that way? And you're right, you know,
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  Speaker 1: my life I always told you know, everybody that administrates
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  Speaker 1: around me, I've always told them, you know, I'm the
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  Speaker 1: guy you bring in at the end when you think
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  Speaker 1: you've got a plan, and I'll start pulling apart, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the blind spots. And I've always thought that that was
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  Speaker 1: a good way to be a completionist. That God is
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  Speaker 1: using that. But I have and there is there is
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  Speaker 1: wisdom and being cautious and pragmatic and thinking through things.
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  Speaker 1: But I then step over what you're talking about, that
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  Speaker 1: line between cautious and pragmatic into like fear and anxiety,
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  Speaker 1: the fear that this is going to go south real quick,
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  Speaker 1: and it ends up being paralyzing and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: times I hate it, but it's you know, my decision
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  Speaker 1: making is very slow. It's not keeping up with all
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  Speaker 1: the demands of everything, and I've paid a toll with
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  Speaker 1: my cortisol and my health from doing exactly the thing, Debbie,
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  Speaker 1: that you're describing. So I need to work on looking
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  Speaker 1: at ministry, Billy Coppage, more through the lens of what
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  Speaker 1: we feel God is moving us towards, as opposed to
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  Speaker 1: strategies to avoid the dismantling of the damage that may
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  Speaker 1: be incurred if we make a misstep or we mispackage something.
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  Speaker 1: We hear terms like conscious mind, and that's something that
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  Speaker 1: a lot of new agers have kind of hijacked and
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  Speaker 1: tormented into something else that isn't biblical subconscious mind and
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  Speaker 1: then ego. But for someone hearing this for the first time,
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  Speaker 1: how would you explain the difference between you know, conscious mind,
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  Speaker 1: subconscious and ego in maybe a very simple way.
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  Speaker 2: So your conscious mind is kind of that part of
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  Speaker 2: your mind that makes decisions and it's very logical, and
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  Speaker 2: I kind of like to think of your brain as
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  Speaker 2: like a computer. So the monitor is, would you say,
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  Speaker 2: is your conscious mind. That's just what you're aware of,
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  Speaker 2: is on the monitor. And then the hard drive is
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  Speaker 2: where all the programs run, all the software. So in
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  Speaker 2: your subconscious that's where all your memories are stored, all
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  Speaker 2: your feelings, all your beliefs, and it runs all the
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  Speaker 2: automatic programs. It's kind of like when you first learn
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  Speaker 2: to drive a car. I mean, you consciously had to say, okay,
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  Speaker 2: now I'm turning on the key and I'm backing up,
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  Speaker 2: and you're paying attention to all that. But after you
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  Speaker 2: learn to do that, it's just an automatic program that runs.
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  Speaker 2: You just get in and you just kind of go
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  Speaker 2: off somewhere and you don't even realize how you got
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  Speaker 2: home rights because your automatic program is running that. Well,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of us we have beliefs that we don't
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  Speaker 2: even realize are there because fifty percent of what we
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  Speaker 2: believe we decided before we were five years old, just
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  Speaker 2: because parents told us this is what's true, and then
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  Speaker 2: we just believed it because we didn't have the ability
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  Speaker 2: because our brain was informed to be able to consciously,
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  Speaker 2: like you know, say is that true or is that
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  Speaker 2: not true? And so we just took it as a belief.
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  Speaker 2: And so we grow up, you know, just having these
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  Speaker 2: things that we believe. We don't recognize them as beliefs.
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  Speaker 2: We just think they're true. And that kind of runs
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  Speaker 2: in the background program and maybe keeps us from doing
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  Speaker 2: things that we might have done, you know, otherwise. And
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  Speaker 2: then the ego is there, like I said, to keep
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  Speaker 2: us safe. And then the ego's job is to just
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  Speaker 2: remind us to be safe and keep us there, but
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  Speaker 2: also to make sure that we're right. So whatever we
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  Speaker 2: believe is true, it's going to make sure you continually
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  Speaker 2: see validation that that belief is true. So let's just say,
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  Speaker 2: for an example, a kid grows up and they trip
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  Speaker 2: or fall right, some adults says, oh, wow, you're just
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  Speaker 2: so clumsy. Then the kid they trip again, and they go, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because I'm clumsy. So when you say I am,
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  Speaker 2: and then whatever you say after that, you've just defined yourself.
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  Speaker 3: So what does God says he is I am? The great.
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  Speaker 3: I am, I'm the beginning, the end, and everything that
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  Speaker 3: will be right.
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  Speaker 2: Our words have power, and so when we speak those
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  Speaker 2: things over ourselves is powerful. It creates something okay, And
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  Speaker 2: so whatever we say I am, then we've just defined
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  Speaker 2: ourselves and then our subconscious and our ego are there
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  Speaker 2: to make sure we've got to keep this identity. We've
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  Speaker 2: got to keep this identity. So it just puts you
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  Speaker 2: in this little box.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that's why the I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: this is the right terminology, but the automatic subconscious, the
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  Speaker 1: one that was in development at these very young ages
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  Speaker 1: that have never gone back to be challenged. People have
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  Speaker 1: never self navigated their way to go back and wodify
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  Speaker 1: whether or not something that was spoken over them really
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  Speaker 1: indeed is who they are. Do you think that that
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  Speaker 1: is part of what's sabotaging people that are trying to
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  Speaker 1: set goals and to believe in something different than what
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  Speaker 1: they're stuck in, right, and they don't even see it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and you take somebody who like they maybe they
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  Speaker 2: say they want to be financially successful, and they everything
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  Speaker 2: they do just fails, and that they're constantly failing at that,
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  Speaker 2: there's probably a belief about money, about people who are
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  Speaker 2: wealthy that they don't even realize they have. And as
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  Speaker 2: long as your ego judges people who have what you
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  Speaker 2: say you want, it's not going to allow you to
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  Speaker 2: get there. Well, this lady that I was working with,
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  Speaker 2: she came into my office and she lost about fifty pounds,
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  Speaker 2: and we've been working through these things. But then the
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  Speaker 2: last couple of weeks she came in she'd started kind
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  Speaker 2: of gaining weight back, and I said to her, I said,
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  Speaker 2: it seems like you're sabotaging yourself as so why do
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  Speaker 2: you think you're doing this? And she says, I really
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  Speaker 2: don't know, And so I asked her, I said, well,
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  Speaker 2: what do you think about thin women? And she goes, well,
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  Speaker 2: I think they're skinny and she said the bee word,
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  Speaker 2: and I said, WHOA. Okay, Well I think that's really
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  Speaker 2: going to be a problem. Okay, because as long as
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  Speaker 2: you feel that way about thin women, you're never going
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  Speaker 2: to be one that you neither need to change the
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  Speaker 2: way you feel about those women, or you're never going
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  Speaker 2: to get there. Maybe someday in the supermarket or something.
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  Speaker 2: This thin women cut her off and said something bad
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  Speaker 2: and then she just immediately our brain tries to put
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  Speaker 2: a meaning behind something and just kind of gives some context. So, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's because those women are just those kind of people.
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  Speaker 2: So now anytime she sees it, then woman she gets
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  Speaker 2: has that interaction, and that's the way that interaction goes.
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  Speaker 2: But if you believe that those people were kind and nice,
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  Speaker 2: then you would probably notice kind or nice women. Have
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  Speaker 2: you ever purchased a car and you don't think anybody
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  Speaker 2: has that car? You know, you don't really see that
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  Speaker 2: on the road very much, But then after you buy
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  Speaker 2: that car, you see it everywhere, right, Okay, So that's
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  Speaker 2: how the subconscious works, Okay, And so it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: like when you believe something, then everything you see you
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  Speaker 2: only highlight those things that validate that belief.
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  Speaker 1: I would not say this is mystical. There's nothing mystical
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  Speaker 1: taking place here. Are you suggesting that the blockage is
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  Speaker 1: unknown to the experience or the person that can't seem
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  Speaker 1: to break their cycle because it prevents them from making
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  Speaker 1: the decisions to pursue the ideal weight for them in
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  Speaker 1: ways that they don't see. So there's nothing mystical. It's
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  Speaker 1: about having a bias against let's say a thin woman
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  Speaker 1: because they judge them to be bougie or wealthier better
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  Speaker 1: than others, or whatever kind what they comfort e. There's
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  Speaker 1: an explanation for why then they're not losing the weight
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  Speaker 1: beyond just they have a predisposition to be biased against
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  Speaker 1: thin women. Like what is the blockage? Where are they
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  Speaker 1: getting stuck?
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  Speaker 2: Well? I think if you have that belief that thin
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  Speaker 2: women are just unkind people or not nice whatever, your
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  Speaker 2: body's just not going to let you get there because
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't want you to be that person. So if
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  Speaker 2: you're judging someone that you want to be, that they
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  Speaker 2: have what you want, then you're not going to get there.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know about the audience, but I'm finding this
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: really relatable. Is anyone else connecting with this? Do you
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: have God's going through your head? I definitely am, In fact,
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: I on both sides when I go through my childhood
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: and also as a parent, thoughts in my head. You know,
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: you make a comment, maybe you're trying to brush off something,
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: but you are not aware of what you are planning
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: in your child's head. I know when I was young,
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: my mom pinched the fat on my side, and I'm
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: not throwing her under the bus. We have a great relationship.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: She already knows about this issue that I have. She
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: pinched the fat on my side and she's like, you
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: need to go on a diet. And that was my
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: first awareness of my eight and that I need to
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: do something about it. And she did it out of
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: love because she has struggled with her weight her whole life,
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: and she was trying to bring awareness early so that
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: maybe I could cut it off. But I just ended
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: up falling into the same yoyo dieting patterns and everything.
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: And so wow, from both And I know our audience,
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: I'm sure can think of something that they have labeled
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: themselves because of this, or maybe something they have noticed
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: that they are putting on their children that they can
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: now try to cut off and circumvent and get rid
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: of that.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: So well, there is absolutely power. We know this from
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: the Bible. There's power in the words that we speak,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: so self deprecation, Like you've explained, you're sending your body.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Whether it knows that this is conscious or subconscious or not,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: you're sending your body. You're sending yourselves a message that
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: I am not worthy like and I'm probably guilty of this.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: I'm constantly disparaging my bald headedness and talking about man.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Is the court is all weight showing through my tie?
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Is this a good color for me? Because I'm on TV?
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: We do try to stop it. By the way, we
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: don't just let them get away with us.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say I succeed one hundred percent
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: and the Debbie trigger teaching methodologies.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: But I'm learning.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: I'm learning some stuff. How do limiting beliefs take root
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: in the first place, and what does it look like
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: to replace those with truth, especially when they don't line
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: up with who God says?
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: We are so limiting beliefs, I mean they start, like
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: we said, maybe a parent says something and then you
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: define yourself as that, or maybe something happens to you
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: and our brain tries to find some meanings. It's an
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: event that happens, and our brain's trying to find out
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: why and make some kind of meaning behind it. So, yeah,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I rationalize it, Well, that's just because I'm stupid, that's
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: just because I'm not smart enough. I got passed over,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: just because I'm not this or I'm not that. So
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: we try to rationalize and kind of put some meaning
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: to it. And so a root belief gets set that way.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: And I also believe that sometimes not all of our
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: thoughts that go through our head are actually our thoughts.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: I don't believe. I think Dayton plants things in there, yeah,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: you know, to try to sabotage us, to keep us
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: from getting out of our box.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: You know, maybe we're getting too.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Dangerous captive every thought right.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Exactly, And I really encourage people to like pay attention
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: to what you're telling yourself, the thoughts they're going through
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: your head, and if it doesn't line up with God,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: who says you are, then that's not you, okay. Statan
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: is about fear, and he wants to create fear that's
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: not from God.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Right. Well, it's kind of interesting.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: When they built a golden gate bridge, there was there
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: many people who fell off that bridge in the process
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: of building it because they were so afraid of falling.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: And then they built a net to go under the bridge,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: and then no one fell after that because no one
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: was worried about falling. And so you think about it.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: So Jesus died for our sins, you know, he covered
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: everything we're ever going to do, any mess up that
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: we make, so he's got it. So we don't have
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: to worry about falling because there's a net, right, So
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: we can just focus on what we want and where
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: we want to go, and we don't have to worry
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: about you know, those other things.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a difference between repentance. A repentant person, you know,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: go forward and sin no more. There is a time
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: and a season to be repentant. So this is not
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Debbie Tegger saying you have license to do whatever you
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: want because God's already paid the price. There's a repentant human.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: But what we are talking about is mental blockages, a
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: lot of them self assigned or assigned by others. This
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: is something we see a lot at Whispering Pony's Ranch
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: every year when we deal with children that are in
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: desperate need of therapy. Debbie, you got to see it.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I want Debbie to come out and see what we
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: do with these well, for real, we deal with some
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: of the most shut down, psychologically traumatized, physically traumatized kids ever.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Do you remember Susie Her mother called her a scaredy cat.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, perfect example, Thank you, little Susie. Last year
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: she's up on the zip line with me and Jamie Woodle,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: who are running this event. It's a place where children
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: can come and experience like a challenge. They have to
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: overcome their fear of heights and trust the equipment that
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: they're going to ride this zipline to completion and that
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Uncle Joe has done a good job and they're going
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: to be safe. Well, she's crying, she's crying, she's crying,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: she's crying. And finally, after like three or four days
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: of this going on, up and she won't do the
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: zip line and she cries, and she comes again the
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: next day, and then she cries, and the next day
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: she comes and she cries. Finally she says, I'm a
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: scaredy cat. And I think it was Jamie said, why
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: do you say that? And she says, my mom told
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: me I'm a scaredy cat. And so this is a
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: perfect example on display of a child who has had
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: things spoken over them Debbie Traeger. And now she is
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: living out like a can you would you call it
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: a self fulfilling prophecy. She's limiting herself away from what
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: she wants, which is to ride the zip This is
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: why she keeps coming back because somebody has spoken over
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: her that she's a scaredy cat. This is something she's
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: brought into. Is that a good example?
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's right perfect.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: There's a couple more things I want to get to
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: before we run out of time. And these programs always
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: go so fast, Debbie. But why does fear tend to
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: show up right before a breakthrough? And how should we
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: be responding when fear rears its.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Ugly head, Well, right before the breakthrough.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: That's just your ego's final thing, just to keep you stuck,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: because it just reminding you this is not your identity.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like your old self breaking through the
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: doorway to the new self. And so that last fear
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: is like it, this is really what you want. I
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: kind of got a vision of like when you go
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: to a circus and you see like a horse jumping
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: through a firing ring or something. I mean, it's just like, okay,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: the firing ring and you just got to go through it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: It's not a wall.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just but you've got to go through it.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: You know, there's a book called the tipping Point, you know,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: and sometimes people quit just before they get to the tip.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: You know, sometimes when you're starting a new business, doing
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: something new, it feels like you're pushing a boulder up
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: a hill, and you just got to keep pushing, keep
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: pushing it. At some point you get to the tipping point.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: But that most people, a lot of people they stop
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: before they get to that tipping point and make it
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: over the home, just because it's just too scary.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: What if it doesn't work out? What are people going
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: to say?
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: You know, so do you think it's some of that?
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: It's just the fear of failure, Like they don't actually
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: believe that they're going to break through anyway. And so
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: if they go over that threshold and then fail, they
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: show the world their talent, or they they show the
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: world their music, or they show the world their efforts
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: to lose weight or whatever. That it's just it's easier
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: to just.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Stay just stay stop, stop right because when you rise
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: above the cream, right, you rise to the top, you know,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: people want they take shots at you. You know. I
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: had a manager say once that, you know, people don't
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: shoot at dead dogs, you know, so when you are
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: trying to rise up, there's people of trying to kind
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: of pull you back down or smack you back down.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: The thing about successful people and Steve told me about
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: this quote that you heard from that, Michael jordan'said was
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: that Michael Jordan said, I'm successful because I failed so much.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: And the thing about it, when we see successful people,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: we don't see all the times they failed.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: We just see the success finished product, right, you need to.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: See the end, you know, And so we just think, oh, well,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: they're just smarter, they've guys got more talent, They've just
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: got this, and we make excuses for ourselves to keep
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: us stuck.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: You believe in the premise of failure in the sense
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: that you can fail things, or do you believe in
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: setbacks and then applying a positive mindset to moving forward.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: There's a difference. In my view. Failure is I failed,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I'm done.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: You're not done until God says you're done, okay, And
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: failing isn't failing, it's feedback. So that's why I kind
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: of reframe it is you're not failed, it's just that
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: wasn't right. Do it again, and this time do it different. Right,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: You're just getting a feedback that that didn't work. Okay,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Now let's just do it again, because some.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Things are just not going to work out. I may
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: want to look better than I do, and you know,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: look like I'm twenty years old again, and so there
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: probably is an element of being grounded and realistic at
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the same time and not perceiving the fact that not
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: all of us can do all of the things that
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: our imaginations can daydream, and then feeling as though we
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: have failed because we didn't reach that. For example, I
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: may have at one time in my life, with enough
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: hard work, been capable of going to the NBA, but
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: at almost fifty and now having children and running ministries,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: probably not going to be able not responsibly go try
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: out for the NBA. And I kind of want to
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: meet the guy that would want to pay me to
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: play in the NBA does exist. I don't know that
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: there's even that guy. But the point is being, you know,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: being realistic somewhere between setting goals that are achievable. How
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: do you frame that setting goals that are achievable versus
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: maybe recognizing, you know, without being healthy about it, things
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: that are probably not suitable for you.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean a lot of people they just
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: let fear keep them from doing the sitting in goal.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, exactly. It's kind of like GPS.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: It's like when you have your GPS, you don't put
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: all the places in that you don't want to go right,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: You put in where you want to go, yeah, right,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: and GPS doesn't even give you directions, and still you
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: start moving, so you don't even start taking steps. You've
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: got to taking steps. You've got to start doing something.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: You can get all the information, and information does not
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: lead to transformation. So you've got to take action. You've
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: got to start taking the steps. And sometimes it doesn't
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: feel like you're getting anywhere. But just like GPS, you know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: maybe you made the wrong term, but you just got
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: to recenter and just keep going. You don't just stop
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: there and say, oh, I guess I couldn't get there.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, you just say, okay, now which way do
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: we go? So goals are like that. You just got
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: to constantly keep refocusing, okay, and focus on what you
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: want and really visualize. If you can visualize it, you
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: can be it, you know, as long as it's kind
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: of real realistic, like you're not to be in the
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: NBA or stuff like that.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Okay, My family is walking this out as
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: we speak. You know. We have dreams to start programs
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: for kids. We want to do live music. There's things
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: and I and my Sister Donna Howell, who's in house
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: with us today and I have talked about many times.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: We do, like you said, all the information, everything we've
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: learned about TV packaging, production, graphics, networks, all the stuff,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: and all of that could be beneficial, but none of
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: that happens. I don't have the money for what I
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: want to do yet. I don't have the resources or
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: the employees that I'm going to have to hire if
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: we get there. But like none of it comes to past, Debbie,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: if we don't start somewhere, are somewhere started with our
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: cell phones. We're playing now with some programs suitable for
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: teens that are comedy based but basically point out the
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: irony of how church is getting certain theological things wrong,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: and it's it's trying to appeal to young people in
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: their sense of fun and entertainment with a gospel message.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: With just a couple of minutes left on the clock,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: what is one simple shift if you're watching the show
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: that somebody can do with their perspective today that might
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: be helpful. And we're going to have Debbie back next
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: week for sure. Well tip that somebody can start applying
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: today that won't cost them anything.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Well, so first of all, just pay attention to what
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: you're thinking about, and pay attention to the thoughts they're
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: going through your head and see if that aligns with
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: what you want. You can catch yourself just sabotaging yourself
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: with just your thoughts, and then if there something that
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: you want to achieve, just start visualizing that to the
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: best that you can, and just visualize yourself as you've
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: already done it. You know, what does that feel like,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: What do you feel in your body? What are you
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: telling yourself about how you accomplish that, and what that's
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: like to just live that out and then for seventeen
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: seconds a day just sit and get connect with the
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: emotion of that and just the feeling of that, because
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: if you can't get excited about it, you're not going
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: to motivate yourself to go do it. You can't let
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: go of something until you've got something else to reach for.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is really in line with a lot of
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: other therapists that I've talked with, where they talk about,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: you know, being attached to the feelings that you might
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: experience when you're in that moment of being you know,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: able to do the kids show, Yeah, and kind of
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: resting for a minute, because if God has given me
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: that dream to produce content for kids, much like you know,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: the old Mister Rogers show, but doing it now for
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: a contemporized audience, you know, a PTL audience Christian distribution
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: for kids that joy. It's like a pre dividend on
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: what I hope to get to be able to do.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Is going to inspire me to keep doing the steps
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: towards that outcome.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: So well, you just got to start where you are.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: It's what you have, and then it will grow from there.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: So you just do what you can right now.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately we're all out of time, but I promise we
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: will have Debbie Tragger back next week. Ladies and gentlemen,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: for everybody here in studio, Debbie Jamie, thank you so
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: much for being here right here Life TV. Now keep
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: your eyes on the prize, which is Jesus Christ. We'll
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: be back.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: H