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Normally Podcast: Anti-ICE Church Protest Sparks First Amendment Outrage, Media Spin & Virginia Politics · Normally

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Speaker 1: Yea, we are back on normally normal things for when
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Speaker 1: the news it's weird. I am Mary Catholic and I'm
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Speaker 1: Carol Markowitz.
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Speaker 2: You know I'm noticing. I'm like in a heavy hoodie
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Speaker 2: and you are in a tank top and you live
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Speaker 2: in Virginia and I live in Florida.
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Speaker 1: You know what, It is very cold right now. But
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Speaker 1: perhaps I have just become like more northern, I guess
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Speaker 1: since I've been here. No, it's it's warm in my
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Speaker 1: room so here, I am. Yeah, I think that's what
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Speaker 1: it is.
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Speaker 2: We end up like either heating or cooling our houses
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Speaker 2: to the temperature that we like them.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, so this is because Barack Obama is not
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Speaker 1: president to tell me not to, but we want Al Gore.
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Speaker 2: Although al Gore, of course famously his house had like
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Speaker 2: the largest carbon footprint of any house in the area
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Speaker 2: because he did whatever he wanted while telling us not to.
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Speaker 1: It's for all of you to fix the problem, not him. Right,
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Speaker 1: He's just going to speak and get a million dollars
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Speaker 1: about the problem. All right, let's get into it.
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Speaker 2: It is Martin Luther King day, our kids are home
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Speaker 2: from school. We're just going to have to roll with this.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, we'll see who sneaks in. Oh yeah, all right.
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Speaker 2: So there was a protest over the weekend at a
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Speaker 2: church in Saint Paul, and it is one of the
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Speaker 2: most vile things I have seen in some time. A
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Speaker 2: group of protesters, anti ICE protesters invaded a church in
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Speaker 2: Saint Paul. They yelled at the congregants, They shamed the
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Speaker 2: pastor for not standing with them and not letting them
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Speaker 2: just run rampant in his church. And Don Lemon was
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Speaker 2: there for all of it because he is part of
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Speaker 2: their group. When he got to the protest, he kisses
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Speaker 2: the main protester, lady Hello, and proceeds to interview her
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Speaker 2: about her amazing work of going to various police officers'
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Speaker 2: houses and harassing them there. And he's just interviewing her
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Speaker 2: and nodding along.
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Speaker 1: With all of it.
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Speaker 2: It was I truly, I can't imagine that most Americans
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Speaker 2: watching this aren't going to be as disgusted as I am.
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Speaker 2: And I hope that there are arrests. I'm very much not.
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Speaker 2: You know, I at no point was I a lock
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Speaker 2: her up chander in twenty sixteen or any of it
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Speaker 2: in general. Don't think that arresting your political opponents. Is
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Speaker 2: a great idea, but this is not acceptable. And this
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Speaker 2: is so across the line that liberals need to understand.
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Speaker 3: That, well, yeah, it is against the law right and
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Speaker 3: against the law correct.
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Speaker 1: What they believe is that they are operating under the
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Speaker 1: First Amendment. In fact, they are not. They are violating
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Speaker 1: the First Amendment rights of the people in the congregation
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Speaker 1: to gather peaceably in worship. Now, the ostensible reason for
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Speaker 1: this is that the pastor is in some way is
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Speaker 1: named in some lawsuit about ice peak because he's like
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Speaker 1: a director of a field office or something. Yeah, doesn't matter,
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Speaker 1: doesn't at all, It doesn't matter.
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Speaker 2: What's funny about this. Sorry, I was going to say
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Speaker 2: just for the arrest part. If they do get arrested,
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Speaker 2: it's likely going to be under the FACE Act, which
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Speaker 2: is the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act of
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four, a US federal law making it illegal
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Speaker 2: to use force, threats, or physical obstruction to prevent people
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Speaker 2: from obtaining or providing reproductive health services or exercising religious
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Speaker 2: freedom at places of worship. It's going to be some
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Speaker 2: level of irony that the same law that doesn't allow
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Speaker 2: protesters to invade say, a planned parenthood location is going
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Speaker 2: to be the law that gets the people that protested
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Speaker 2: inside this church.
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Speaker 1: Now here's the thing, Carol, is that you're right. People
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Speaker 1: who see this will be appalled. People will not see
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Speaker 1: it largely, people who are not deeply engaged in politics
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Speaker 1: will not see it. The press is not going to
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Speaker 1: cover this. In fact, I think the only way the
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Speaker 1: press will cover it, which could come back to bite them,
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Speaker 1: is if they cover that people are being rightly arrested
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Speaker 1: or prosecuted or fine or something for this behavior. Because
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Speaker 1: you are not allowed to roll up in a church
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Speaker 1: take it over, and it's doin their service. These poor
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Speaker 1: worshipers are just walking out the door like I guess
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Speaker 1: we're done now. And then women actually interviewed We're going
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Speaker 1: to play a clip of him, but he interviewed another
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Speaker 1: guy who was just wouldn't have the gaslighting and was like,
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Speaker 1: what good have you done here? What good have you
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Speaker 1: done here? None? And that's this is just so characteristic
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Speaker 1: of the left is that they will in this case,
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Speaker 1: as they do in many they will push the boundaries,
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Speaker 1: push the boundaries, push the boundaries, do things that are
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Speaker 1: flatly illegal. And then when someone says you could be
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Speaker 1: in trouble for this. We're gonna get you in trouble
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Speaker 1: for this. They go, oh, oh, rightly violated. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: the norms aren't being violated. You violated the norms, you did,
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Speaker 1: and then you paid the price for doing so. And
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Speaker 1: this is the theme of our discussions of all these
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Speaker 1: Minneapolis protests is yeah, once you have pushed the boundary,
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Speaker 1: pushed the boundary, pushed the boundary, every interaction with law
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Speaker 1: enforcement becomes exactly more pitched, becomes there's a greater chance
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Speaker 1: of someone making a mistake or having to defend themselves
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Speaker 1: against real threats. So this all just sort of gets
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Speaker 1: really pitched, and you can't pretend as if you have
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Speaker 1: done nothing to create the environment in which you're operating,
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Speaker 1: which is obviously what happened here.
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Speaker 2: That's right. So what's interesting about Don Lemon, and we'll
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Speaker 2: get to that clip in a second, is that he's
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Speaker 2: going to say I'm a journalist and I am just
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Speaker 2: covering this as a journalist. That didn't work for people
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Speaker 2: who said they were journalists on January sixth, and I
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Speaker 2: don't think it's going to work here because when you
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Speaker 2: break the law as a journalist, when you invade a
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Speaker 2: church during their service, stop them from praying, you should
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Speaker 2: be held accountable. And I think Don Lemon absolutely should
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Speaker 2: be here with all the protesters that were there that day.
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Speaker 1: What a career arc this guy is on my God,
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Speaker 1: Like he had a primetime show. I guess it was
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Speaker 1: late night, but primetime is show at CNN, and then
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Speaker 1: he which was famously off the rails, and then they
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Speaker 1: give him a mourning show, which Don Lemon is not
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Speaker 1: a morning It's not Mark at all.
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Speaker 4: Ye.
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Speaker 2: He's abusive and hateful and he has the Morning for
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Speaker 2: Sunny Mornings.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was like nasty and bullying and at
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Speaker 1: times misogynist to his two female co hosts, Poppy Harley
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Speaker 1: and Caitlyn Collins. And then he almost started a show
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Speaker 1: on X with some sweetheart deal with all Elon, but
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Speaker 1: because he was unwilling to even like sit for one interview,
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Speaker 1: that didn't work out. And here we are live streaming
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Speaker 1: invasions of churches in Minneapolis.
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Speaker 2: Don Lemon, what you could have been?
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Speaker 1: I mean, look, he was always irresponsible and errand this
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Speaker 1: is just another latest example of it. Yeah. I do
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Speaker 1: think this is the kind of situation where look, the
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Speaker 1: Renee good shooting incident. A lot of people saw video
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Speaker 1: of that, and a lot of people differ from us
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Speaker 1: and came to the conclusion that this is this is
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Speaker 1: just horrible. I'm not giving benefit of the doubt to
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Speaker 1: the officer feeling concerned for his life. Yeah, I think
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Speaker 1: once a vehicle is coming at you, you can make
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Speaker 1: that decision. Agree completely, and you shouldn't be coming out
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Speaker 1: an officer, whether you intend to hit him or not. Right,
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Speaker 1: But people saw that and made a different conclusion. I
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Speaker 1: think reasonable people can disagree about that. No one's going
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Speaker 1: to see this video of the left basically taking what
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Speaker 1: could be a political win because the numbers on immigration
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Speaker 1: enforcement and Trump have changed. This constitutes the best way
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Speaker 1: they know how to screw that up as a political
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Speaker 1: advantage because this kind of thing people do not take
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Speaker 1: kindly to. There's also a video of them, uh ironically
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Speaker 1: pulling over citizens and asking them who they are because
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Speaker 1: they think their vehicles sort of look like Ice. You
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Speaker 1: don't have the right to do that. Unlike Ice, you
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Speaker 1: have no right to do that. And then there's one
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Speaker 1: of a couple tech bros inside a cafe getting accosted
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Speaker 1: by people because they just looked like, I guess non
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Speaker 1: being cried dude.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I thought racial profiling was wrong, man, Catherine,
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Speaker 2: was I mistaken about that?
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Speaker 1: Apparently it's okay. But if those if those kind of
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Speaker 1: videos do break through and you have a Minneapolis twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty feeling or a DC your outdoors dining and you
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Speaker 1: have to raise your fist feeling going back to brunch
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Speaker 1: gets to normies by the way, it was brunch before
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Speaker 1: they've escalated to church. You can't even have church anymore,
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Speaker 1: no going back to church. That this could turn what
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Speaker 1: would otherwise be a political turn in their favor against them.
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Speaker 1: If it gets some sort.
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Speaker 2: Of play, let's roll that Don Lemon clip.
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Speaker 1: Let's see what this man has to say. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this is unacceptable, it's shameful.
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Speaker 5: It's shameful to interrupt a public gathering of Christians in worship.
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Speaker 1: But there are folks I have to take care of
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Speaker 1: my flock. Listen, we live in there's a constitution in
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Speaker 1: the First Amendment to freedom of speech and the freedom
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Speaker 1: to assemble and protest.
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Speaker 5: We're here to worship. We're here to worship Jesus because
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Speaker 5: that's the hope of these cities. That's the hope of
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Speaker 5: the world is Jesus Christ.
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Speaker 1: He's very respectful, but please don't push me.
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Speaker 5: Then we're here. We're here to worship Jesus. That's why
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Speaker 5: we're here. Okay, that's why we're here. That's what we're about.
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Speaker 5: Who do you think Jesus would be understanding we're about.
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Speaker 5: We're about straying to love that Jesus did try to
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Speaker 5: talk to them.
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Speaker 1: Ayone is willing to talk. Okay, Sickening truly handles that.
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Speaker 1: He handles that very well, by the way.
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Speaker 2: And the past you're talking from the church, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: That's the pastor. And another part of that that is
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Speaker 1: emblematic of this move is Don Lemon has entered the church.
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Speaker 1: They have forcibly disrupted this event, and he's like, talk
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Speaker 1: to them. They are yelling. Not just that they are yelling.
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Speaker 1: They have been the aggressors at every step of this process.
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Speaker 1: And that pastor puts an arm undn Lemon and he's like,
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Speaker 1: don't push me, don't push me. Right, the flopping is
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Speaker 1: out of control. Yeah, the flopping is out of control.
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Speaker 2: Italian soccer stars would be impressed.
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Speaker 1: I mean, just amazing stuff. But you know, I kind
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Speaker 1: of hope that Minneapolis stays cold enough that we do
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Speaker 1: not get a full scale burning, Yeah, as we did
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. That's the thing you and I are
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Speaker 1: hoping for.
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Speaker 6: That.
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Speaker 2: What are these protesters hoping for? They're hoping for that
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Speaker 2: full scale burning and timblewalls. Who will get two more.
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Speaker 2: In the next segment, he wants that he is not
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Speaker 2: bringing down the temperature at all.
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Speaker 1: He keeps ratcheting it up. It's out of.
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Speaker 2: Control that they're willing to burn their own city down,
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Speaker 2: and you and I are sitting here in not Minneapolis,
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Speaker 2: saying please don't, please don't.
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Speaker 1: By the way, there's a fantastic clip of Jacob Fried
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Speaker 1: talking about and I'll just act it out and describe it.
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Speaker 1: Talking about and he puts the words in other protesters' mouths,
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Speaker 1: but he says, we have citizens here, activists who want
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Speaker 1: our local police to fight ICE agents in the streets.
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Speaker 1: The chief of police is standing over his shoulder and
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Speaker 1: you should see his eyebrows. A seat to the moon.
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Speaker 1: He is like, no, no, no, no, no, no, we
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Speaker 1: will not be doing that, and you will not be
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Speaker 1: sending that message from an official podium. But that is
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Speaker 1: what he's doing. And I just think that is you
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Speaker 1: can look at the totality of the situation and you
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Speaker 1: can ask for ICE reforms, and you can say that
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Speaker 1: these things need to be trained better. And also no
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Speaker 1: to that, Yeah, no to that.
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Speaker 2: I mean you think the mayor of the city would
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Speaker 2: not want that. But here we are again saying why
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Speaker 2: do you want that? Why do you want violence.
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Speaker 1: In your streets?
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Speaker 2: What do you think you win? You think you're going
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Speaker 2: to win the midterms on this? And speaking of the
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Speaker 2: MIDI I absolutely think Republicans have to be showing this
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Speaker 2: church riot in ads. It's important that Americans see it.
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Speaker 2: Like you said, I don't think the media is going
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Speaker 2: to cover it. I don't think most Americans are going
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Speaker 2: to see it until it becomes front and center. And
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Speaker 2: if a rest's happen, I think those should be in
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Speaker 2: the ads too.
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Speaker 1: I do also think that talking about the actual people
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Speaker 1: who are being arrested in these operations is important, and
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Speaker 1: I wish that the administration was clearer about that on
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Speaker 1: a regular basis. There's another viral clip of a man
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Speaker 1: who is an ICE agent telling activist we are arresting
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Speaker 1: a man who is a child sex offender right now,
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Speaker 1: and you are whistling to warn him that's who you're protecting,
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Speaker 1: and then he just calls it insanity and drives away.
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Speaker 1: A lot of normal people would feel that way if
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Speaker 1: it were framed that way. It's not often framed that way,
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Speaker 1: and it's the administration's job to do a better job
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Speaker 1: of that and to make sure that people think it's
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Speaker 1: being done competently, because federal law should be enforced. As
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Speaker 1: you saw in my locality, like just a couple of
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Speaker 1: weeks ago, they released a guy didn't honor an ice
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Speaker 1: detainer and he murdered someone allegedly because he murdered someone
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Speaker 1: the next day. The next day, so there is a
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Speaker 1: human cost on that front too. Speaking of Virginia, we
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Speaker 1: have a new governor.
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Speaker 2: Yes, you do have a new governor. How is that
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Speaker 2: going for you?
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Speaker 1: Oh? Not great, Carol. Abigail Spamberger was sworn in in Virginia.
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Speaker 1: Democrats have full control in the state of Virginia of
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Speaker 1: the Senate and the House. And I don't say this lightly.
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Speaker 1: The Senate Democrat leadership in Virginia is out of their minds.
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Speaker 1: Louise Lucas you can look her up on X is
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Speaker 1: one of the members of leadership in that August body,
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Speaker 1: and she is the only Democrat I have seen come
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Speaker 1: close to touching Trump level trolling. And it's not that
13:55
Speaker 1: I like it, but there's a part of me that's like,
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Speaker 1: she's she's given it college try here. Nonetheless, despite the craziness,
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Speaker 1: the Virginia voters wanted this. This is what they asked
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Speaker 1: for and this is what they want to get. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: let me tell you a couple of things that they
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Speaker 1: are working on and proposing right now. Taxpayer funded suggestions
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Speaker 1: for taxpayer funded housing assistance for local government employees only,
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Speaker 1: free education for illegal residents, expanding sales and retail taxes.
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Speaker 1: They are proposing taxes on investment funds. Of course that
14:29
Speaker 1: sound you here as investments leaving Virginia. Can't we talking
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Speaker 1: about this is the last episode?
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Speaker 2: Like billionaires are the most mobile, but people who have
14:37
Speaker 2: investments also mobile.
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Speaker 1: Well, and they also think these things through. And when
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Speaker 1: they hear this, they go, what should we do with
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Speaker 1: this money? Should we lay it right here so that
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Speaker 1: Democrats and Vertidy take it, or should we move it?
14:53
Speaker 1: Another fun one is moving to ban gas power leaf blowers,
14:57
Speaker 1: and then they're also going to tax anything you have
15:00
Speaker 1: that's an electric leaf flower it's good. You can't can't
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Speaker 1: can't leaf flow. No more leaf flowing in Virginia is
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Speaker 1: pretty impressive. Oh. Also, immediately, the first thing Spamberger did
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Speaker 1: was eliminate the youngkin Era Agreement or requirement that localities
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Speaker 1: cooperate with ICE.
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Speaker 2: So yes, obviously that's the most important thing on the agenda,
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Speaker 2: number one, number one.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, the onslaught is going to be pretty serious.
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Speaker 1: And you know, elections have consequences. They do, they do.
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Speaker 2: You know what I'll say, I'll say that Florida is
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Speaker 2: waiting for you. My locality just reduced our sales tax.
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Speaker 2: I've never had that happen before my life. In my life,
15:47
Speaker 2: I've never had the county say hey, we're going to
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Speaker 2: reduce their sales tax. It's only by a penny or two,
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Speaker 2: but like, come on, that has never happened to me.
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Speaker 1: I don't even know what I was, like, what is this?
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Speaker 1: They're making it lower? Meanwhile, meanwhile, my area in.
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Speaker 3: A purple county, so you know, Meanwhile, our area just
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Speaker 3: raised takeout taxes and they're also going to on the
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Speaker 3: state level, they're attempting to impose taxes on all online retailing.
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Speaker 1: Man affordability Carol, it feels great.
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Speaker 2: I feel like you could get used to the heat.
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Speaker 1: Come on now, man, I mean that part's not an
16:26
Speaker 1: issue for me.
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Speaker 2: All Right, We're going to take a short break and
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Speaker 2: come back with a little in case you missed it
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Speaker 2: about Kamala Harris, be right back. We are back on normally,
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Speaker 2: and Kamala Harris, she is just.
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Speaker 1: Still frequently in the news.
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Speaker 2: I saw a clip of Kris Wisher telling a story
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Speaker 2: about Kamala maybe a week ago, and I was like, Oh,
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Speaker 2: if something else happens with Kamala, will save this.
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Speaker 1: Clip for that.
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Speaker 2: But and here we are, because we're going to get
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Speaker 2: into what Josh Shapiro, Governor of Pennsylvania, says he was
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Speaker 2: asked during his VP vetting process. And it's a good one.
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Speaker 2: But let's start with this Kara Swisher clip about Kamala.
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Speaker 6: I just had an experience with Kamala Harris where we
17:12
Speaker 6: were joking about something backstage about Robert Kennedy Junior. It
17:17
Speaker 6: was specifically around circumcision and autism, the link he was
17:21
Speaker 6: making a link which is not there. And then when
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Speaker 6: I got on stage and mentioned it, she looked at
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Speaker 6: me dead and said.
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Speaker 1: People will die because of what they're doing. I can't
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Speaker 1: laugh about that.
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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, And she had just laughed about it, and
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Speaker 6: then she went into this sort of high handed kind
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Speaker 6: of thing where she was like yelling at me.
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Speaker 1: Kara, it's personal for me.
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Speaker 6: I was like, I'm going to kill you.
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Speaker 1: I literally can't believe you just did that. I sometimes
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Speaker 1: get the sense that she doesn't realize her political career
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Speaker 1: is over. I was like, where's the person backstage? You
17:48
Speaker 1: just had a very insightful comment about this. What a faker,
17:52
Speaker 1: what a fraud. And we knew this.
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Speaker 2: We knew this about Kamala Harris, and the Kara Swishers
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Speaker 2: of the world assured us that wasn't so. And the
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Speaker 2: fact that she's telling the story now and not during
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Speaker 2: the campaign is very very telling. But this is who
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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris was. She was one person behind the scenes
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Speaker 2: and another person in front of an audience. And it
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Speaker 2: was obvious. It was obvious it.
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Speaker 1: Never worked, dude. Yeah, No, that's the thing. What Kara
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Speaker 1: felt in that switch is what everyone felt watching all
18:20
Speaker 1: the time. They knew that whatever they were getting was
18:24
Speaker 1: some weird like attempt at being a human that was
18:28
Speaker 1: not real. And for all as we've said many times
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Speaker 1: for all of Donald Trump's weirdness, and there's a lot.
18:35
Speaker 1: He is Donald Trump, right, Yeah, Kamala not the same deal.
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Speaker 1: And this reminds me. Also, do you remember when Eugene Daniels,
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Speaker 1: who's the head of the White House Correspondence Association, interviewed
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Speaker 1: her in one forum and it was like a very
18:49
Speaker 1: friendly forums black journalists and she was being interviewed by YAE.
18:53
Speaker 1: He was among them. And if you watch the live
18:55
Speaker 1: stream when it ends, the look that Eugene Daniels gives
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Speaker 1: to his fellow panel list is like, oh my gosh,
19:02
Speaker 1: I can't believe this person is the nominee. Yeah, y'all
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Speaker 1: all knew it. Y'all all knew. Everyone knew. Everyone knew.
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Speaker 2: They kept it a secret talk about something else everyone knew.
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Speaker 1: It turns out that Josh.
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Speaker 2: Shapiro was too Jewish to be the vice presidential nominee
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Speaker 2: for Kamala Harris. We kind of knew that, and we'll
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Speaker 2: get a little bit more into that. But also they
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Speaker 2: openly told him that he's too poor, Like yes, it's like, wow,
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Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, though you know, normally it's like
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Speaker 2: Jewish and too rich. That goes in in. You know,
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Speaker 2: this is very interesting. I'll read you a little clip
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Speaker 2: from the New York Times. Shapiro eventually returned to Pennsylvania
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Speaker 2: with his mind made up, though not before we misspoke
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Speaker 2: with him again, he writes, and suggested that the role
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Speaker 2: of vice president might be a financial burden for him
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Speaker 2: and his wife. Shapiro's financial vetting showed that he didn't
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Speaker 2: have much money, and the vice presidency would require Lori
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Speaker 2: to buy a new wardrobe and pay the costs for
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Speaker 2: second lady level hair and makeup, even as the couple
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Speaker 2: would be required to pay for food and entertainment at
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Speaker 2: the vice president's residence. Shapiro said he was taken aback.
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Speaker 2: Are you trying to convince me not to do this here?
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Speaker 2: Paul's asking remisresponded that she just wanted him to be
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Speaker 2: sure this was something he wanted. In the end, Shapiro wrote,
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Speaker 2: he realized that it was not.
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Speaker 1: So. This is what we said about Shapiro at the time,
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Speaker 1: is that it read like he didn't want to be
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Speaker 1: part of this. He did not want to hitch himself
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Speaker 1: to this that star. Yeah, and he was right, but
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Speaker 1: they also didn't want him. And here's why Kamala Harris
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Speaker 1: would have made an absolutely awful president. The reason they're
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Speaker 1: telling him he's too poor or too Jewish is because
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Speaker 1: they want him to remove himself from the process because
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Speaker 1: they are too cowardly to do it themselves exactly.
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Speaker 2: But it's funny because there's something gratifying about the fact
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Speaker 2: that she rejected Josh Shapiro and then picked Tim. I'm
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Speaker 2: a man I swear walls. It's like this, you got
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Speaker 2: what you deserved.
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Speaker 1: You got that guy. Tim Moles doesn't have any money,
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Speaker 1: so it gives the lot. But he was just poor,
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Speaker 1: not poor and Jewish. Oh, yes, that's true. That's true.
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Speaker 1: By the way, this all comes from uh Or. This
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Speaker 1: new news cycle comes from Shapiro's new book, which is
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Speaker 1: called I Believe, Where We Keep the Light. I love
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Speaker 1: political memoirs. They just like sort of switch around light
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Speaker 1: and hope and make up new Like there's at somewhere
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Speaker 1: that's full of different memoir names. George W. Bush was
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Speaker 1: a charge to keep. Yes, that's a pretty good one,
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Speaker 1: is it. I do think, I do think against my
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Speaker 1: own interests. Audacity of hope was kind of a catchy
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Speaker 1: phrase that doesn't make sense though. Audacity of hope. That's
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Speaker 1: why it's that's why it's perfect for black Obama actually
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Speaker 1: makes sense. But no, this is true. In the book,
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Speaker 1: the Governor is measured in describing his interactions with Miss
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Speaker 1: Harris herself. The New York Times says, but mister Shapiro,
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Speaker 1: who is Jewish, details a contentious vetting process in which
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Speaker 1: Miss harris Is team focused intensely on his views on Israel,
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Speaker 1: so much so that at one point, he wrote, he
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Speaker 1: was asked if he had ever been an agent of
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Speaker 1: the Israeli government.
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Speaker 2: It's so good and that he goes on, had I
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Speaker 2: been a double agent for Israel? Wrote mister Shapiro, describing
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Speaker 2: his incredulous response to a last minute question from the
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Speaker 2: vetting team. He responded that the question was offensive, he wrote,
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Speaker 2: and was told, well, we have to ask have you
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Speaker 2: ever communicated with an undercover agent of Israel? The questioner,
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Speaker 2: Dana Remis, a former White House Council continued, according to
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Speaker 2: mister Shapiro, who recounted, if they were undercover, I responded,
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Speaker 2: how the hell would I know?
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Speaker 1: It's so good, that's fantastic. Are you aware of the
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Speaker 1: definition of undercover? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: If I knew, then they wouldn't be undercover. I you know,
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Speaker 2: Shapiro goes on to campaign for Kamala Harris. And that's
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Speaker 2: the thing about Democrats is that they will take this
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Speaker 2: and still go in campaign. I shouldn't say just Democrats,
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Speaker 2: Republicans do it too. There's so many lines where I'm like,
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Speaker 2: I don't care if I'm in ninety five percent agreement
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Speaker 2: with this person, I'm not supporting them if they ask
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Speaker 2: me if I'm an agent for Israel. And again, Republicans
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Speaker 2: absolutely do it too. I can think of some examples
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Speaker 2: of Donald Trump making comments to people who ended up campaigning,
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Speaker 2: and I personally couldn't do it, couldn't do it. I
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Speaker 2: would just be like, all right, I'm out of political
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Speaker 2: life for everyone.
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Speaker 1: I don't care.
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Speaker 2: I'm out.
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Speaker 1: That's why we don't run for office exactly.
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Speaker 2: I will go be a greeter at my local target
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Speaker 2: before I do this shit.
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Speaker 1: Understood. Same here, We're going.
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Speaker 2: To take a short break and come back with a
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Speaker 2: feel good story because there's been you know, a lot
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Speaker 2: of negativity here, so we'll be right back. We are
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Speaker 2: back with a story of a YouTuber who has decided
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Speaker 2: to take a break from the youtubing to better himself
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Speaker 2: and really improve his knowledge. His name is Kai seen It.
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Speaker 2: I think I'm saying that correctly, and he has gone
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Speaker 2: viral for sharing videos of himself reading a book I
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Speaker 2: believe the book is Atomic Habits, and then looking up
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Speaker 2: words that he doesn't know. Let's roll that clip.
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Speaker 7: Spontaneous, spontaneit, spontaneity.
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Speaker 4: How do I pronounce that?
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Speaker 7: Spawn spontaneity, spawn spawn two.
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Speaker 4: Oftentimes when I don't know what a word is pronounced,
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Speaker 4: I want to I get to look at how it's pronounced, it,
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Speaker 4: what it even means. Spontaneity, spontaneity, the condition of being spontaneous, spontaneity, spontaneity, spontaneity, spontaneity,
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Speaker 4: and spontaneity, spontaneity of life. Hardly such questions set up
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Speaker 4: a false what does that mean?
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Speaker 7: Uh?
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Speaker 1: Dichotomy? Dichotomy a false dicomedy?
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Speaker 4: What does that mean? A dicomedy a division or contrast
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Speaker 4: between two things that are or represented as being opposed
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Speaker 4: or entirely different. Hmm, repeated branching into two egs, dicomedy.
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Speaker 1: It's wonderful.
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Speaker 2: I love seeing that you are, Especially if you learn
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Speaker 2: words while you're reading them, you may mispronounce them. And
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Speaker 2: I've always seen that as a sign of intelligence and
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Speaker 2: not stupidity like it's considered in I feel like our culture,
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Speaker 2: we'll just see we see it as somebody dumb when
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Speaker 2: they mispronounce a word, but that they likely learn that
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Speaker 2: word by reading.
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Speaker 1: It's a good thing.
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Speaker 2: I showed that clip to my kids. I was like,
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Speaker 2: I love this. I love that this guy is bettering
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Speaker 2: himself reading a book, challenging himself, looking up wards. He
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Speaker 2: doesn't know.
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Speaker 1: Love all of that.
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Speaker 2: Please do it, you know, I told my kids, as
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Speaker 2: you get older, I want you to read challenging books
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Speaker 2: that you don't know all the words, and then yeah,
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Speaker 2: go look them up, go find out how they're pronounced.
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Speaker 1: Do it well. It's funny. I was writing a piece
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Speaker 1: for National Reviews two fifty issue about literacy, and I
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Speaker 1: was talking about how there is this trend now where
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Speaker 1: there are a few influencers whose thing is that they
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Speaker 1: read or they are learning to read. There's one guy
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Speaker 1: named Oliver James who was thirty two when the pandemic
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Speaker 1: began and realized, like, I can't even read a restaurant menu.
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Speaker 1: I was left behind in school. I fell through the
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Speaker 1: cracks and so he started to read on TikTok and
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Speaker 1: taught himself to read, moving up amazing from picture books
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Speaker 1: to Charlotte's Webb. He's now reading C. S. Lewis. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's amazing. There's another guy called Chris Kinda Reads, who
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Speaker 1: is a young man who was a reader but had
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Speaker 1: never read classics. So he starts reading classics. Penguin Classics
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Speaker 1: sends him an entire library. He love it. He's like,
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Speaker 1: East of Eden is great, guys, you gotta get into it.
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Speaker 1: So I love the idea of things that are not
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Speaker 1: part of the dopamine hit attention economy, the old good
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Speaker 1: things becoming a trend. That is what we want as
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Speaker 1: a culture is people like this leading millions of young
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Speaker 1: people to say, perhaps I should read a book.
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Speaker 2: Yep. And anybody mocking these people is no friend of mine.
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Speaker 2: I just anybody mocking somebody trying to better themselves at
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Speaker 2: whatever age. If you realize at thirty that you're not
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Speaker 2: a great reader, and you set out to become a
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Speaker 2: better reader, good for you. Good for you.
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Speaker 1: It's like people who make fun of people who go
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Speaker 1: to the gym for the first time, right, they're new
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Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, they are learning. Yeah, I hate this
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Speaker 1: is what we should celebrate and I love to see it.
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Speaker 1: There is nothing like so close to magic as when
27:54
Speaker 1: I saw my kids click and learn to read. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it is an amazing thing to see it get so
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Speaker 1: much joy out of it while they're doing it that
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Speaker 1: you can see it's really cool.
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Speaker 2: I love it.
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Speaker 1: Let's have more of that please.
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