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11-10: How Do You Respond To Hate? Big Backlash For Podcast Mocking Charlie Kirk. · Wicked Radio with Bill Adams

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  Speaker 1: I'm always the one on here. Good morning, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: I'm always the one on here talking about the brilliance
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  Speaker 1: and the freedom and the magnificence of digital media where
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  Speaker 1: we all have a say. We all have a voice.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of like some people say that are way
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  Speaker 1: smarter than me. You are the media now. And I do.
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  Speaker 1: I truly believe that. I'll always believe that, that it's fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: One of the best things to happen to humanity. Along
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  Speaker 1: with that, and here's the big caveat, comes a lot
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  Speaker 1: of stuff out there you're not going to like. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of stuff out there that's nasty. There's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of stuff out there that's hate-filled. In fact, because we're
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  Speaker 1: just coming out of, yet again, another political cycle, most
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  Speaker 1: of it, most of it is really negative, hateful stuff.
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  Speaker 1: What's the best way to handle? What's the best way
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  Speaker 1: to deal with and to keep your sanity with a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that comes your way? Because you
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  Speaker 1: can't avoid all of it, even if it's not in
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  Speaker 1: your algorithm, the hateful stuff that's out there. Somebody's still
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  Speaker 1: going to send it to you. You're going to see it,
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  Speaker 1: or it's going to go viral, or somewhere, some way,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to be affected by it. Perfect example came
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  Speaker 1: out just this past week with, one of those podcasts
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  Speaker 1: that are out there, especially revved up because of the
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  Speaker 1: midterms being around there. And you probably saw this already
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  Speaker 1: because the reaction to it has gone viral. So there's
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  Speaker 1: the I've had it podcast. I've actually talked about her
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  Speaker 1: before Jennifer Welch. Yeah, she's a more on her in
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  Speaker 1: a second. She beauty. She and her co-host are making
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  Speaker 1: waves and make new beyond podcast to stand and making
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  Speaker 1: mainstream news because they had quite a reaction to their
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  Speaker 1: episode where they read some reader comments, and were laughing
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  Speaker 1: at the murder of Charlie Kirk, which is on its own,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sure they've done it before. In fact, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of listeners to that podcast who are saying, oh,
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  Speaker 1: they've done it before. Really? Oh, that's a defense. But
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  Speaker 1: it's the reaction to this that's making waves and going viral.
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  Speaker 1: So what's the best way to react to it? Do
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  Speaker 1: you want people like that who support that kind of
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  Speaker 1: hate to go away forever? Because I will tell you something,
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  Speaker 1: and you may disagree with me now, but maybe not
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  Speaker 1: in a couple of minutes. I don't. I don't want
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  Speaker 1: them to go away. I don't want them canceled. I
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  Speaker 1: fully support going after their sponsors. There's a big story
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  Speaker 1: on that coming up here. But I don't want them
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  Speaker 1: to go away, and here's why. I want that stuff exposed,
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  Speaker 1: and this is my main reason. Because there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people, normal, everyday people, who don't have time to
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  Speaker 1: pay attention to podcasts, who you'll talk to in everyday life,
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  Speaker 1: and you tell them about this kind of stuff that's
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  Speaker 1: out there. These two soulless ghouls were laughing at, but
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  Speaker 1: digging up Charlie Kirk and doing it again. If you
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  Speaker 1: tell that to a normal, sane, regular person, they would go, no.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't happen. Nobody's that evil. They don't realize it
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  Speaker 1: until that stuff gets exposed. This is why I don't
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  Speaker 1: want that to go away. I don't. Go after the sponsors, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: and people are doing that. But I want more of that.
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  Speaker 1: Not more of it. I just want people aware that
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  Speaker 1: that's there. We'll get into it. Thanks for being here.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you. As always, Wicked Radio livestream, 8 a.m.-ish
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  Speaker 1: Eastern Time on X and YouTube and Facebook and the
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  Speaker 1: replay on those channels and the audio podcast, which is
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  Speaker 1: where most of you found it. Thanks for sharing it along.
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  Speaker 1: As always, let's go to Well, a little bit of background.
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  Speaker 1: I've talked, I think it was, boy, late last year,
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  Speaker 1: I think, the first time I talked about this particular person.
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Welch, the co-host you never hear about, is Angie Sullivan.
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  Speaker 1: And they, one of these, obviously, agents of a political party.
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  Speaker 1: You can guess which one. And they're out there, and
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  Speaker 1: they have sponsors, and they tell you everything is bad, MAGA,
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  Speaker 1: everything's white, bad, everything is, you know, conservative, bad, everything
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  Speaker 1: is divisive as you can possibly be. A little example
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  Speaker 1: of that is, and I'm not a big follower or
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  Speaker 1: listener or watcher of that show, that podcast, but here's
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  Speaker 1: a little taste of what they're all about. And it's,
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  Speaker 1: from what I was able to gather from previous episodes,
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  Speaker 1: it's just constant this.
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  Speaker 2: This is a cancer. White evangelical Christianity is a cancer.
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  Speaker 2: These are the worst of our country.
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  Speaker 1: It's just constant. I honestly, I will tell you, As
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  Speaker 1: a broadcaster, now podcaster, it's impressive, honestly, to go to
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  Speaker 1: that well day after day after day after day after
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  Speaker 1: day episode, or I don't know how frequently they post,
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  Speaker 1: and say the same exact thing time after time after
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  Speaker 1: time and pretend like you just came up with it
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  Speaker 1: for the first time. That part of it's actually impressive
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  Speaker 1: because they're so ingrained in that. But honestly, that's just
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  Speaker 1: constant what it is. That's just what they do. The divide,
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  Speaker 1: the hate, everything they disagree with is hateful when really
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  Speaker 1: it's them Whatever. You get the gist. You know what
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  Speaker 1: they're all about. Well, controversy popped up and truly came
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  Speaker 1: to them with true pushback, which, and the larger point here,
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  Speaker 1: is not just against political adversaries. You know, those political
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  Speaker 1: podcasts are always fighting with each other over there. Fine,
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  Speaker 1: let them fight. This kind of got into more of
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  Speaker 1: a society kind of thing, where even their own listeners
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  Speaker 1: and followers had had enough. That's their first mistake in
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  Speaker 1: not acknowledging that. They know it, but they're not acknowledging that.
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  Speaker 1: So what got them in trouble? I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: play the whole thing because it's just disgusting, but here's
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  Speaker 1: one of their episodes where they're reading some reader comments
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  Speaker 1: from the comments section while they're, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: they live stream or they just record it, but anyway,
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  Speaker 1: here's what got them in trouble. And then they can't
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  Speaker 1: control themselves laughing, and then there's long stretches of silence,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll skip over that, and they'll get to their
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  Speaker 1: so-called recovery there. But here they are, a couple of
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  Speaker 1: real kind-hearted women you'd love to run into and have
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  Speaker 1: in your social group, right? Right.
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  Speaker 2: Rose says, we're digging up Charlie Kirk and doing it again.
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  Speaker 1: That's comedy. And now the laughing ensues and they're trying
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  Speaker 1: to recover. I'm zooming into the box. I'll skip ahead
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  Speaker 1: to this part. Oh, they can laugh again because it's
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  Speaker 1: so funny.
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  Speaker 2: No comment.
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  Speaker 1: No comment. No comment on that.
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  Speaker 2: Other than he was shot by somebody that was super
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  Speaker 2: MAGA family. He was shot by a MAGA person.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So do that with what you will.
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  Speaker 2: White person, white MAGA family.
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  Speaker 1: Notice how they always flip to that. There's still, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, this is where all of that crazy crap
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  Speaker 1: you hear, you know what that person who's going on
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  Speaker 1: trial next year is all about. You know what it
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  Speaker 1: was like with the furry girlfriend, boyfriend, whatever it was.
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  Speaker 1: Does that really sound MAGA to you? But they keep
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  Speaker 1: pushing that and they keep whatever. evil just just evil
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  Speaker 1: and i'm gonna stop here because we just played the
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  Speaker 1: clip and if you're an audio a visual follower uh
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  Speaker 1: you know where i'm going with this i really try
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  Speaker 1: not to talk about anybody's personal features and god knows
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  Speaker 1: i'm not perfect but there's just some sort of a
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  Speaker 1: trend there's a pattern recognition here isn't it with people
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  Speaker 1: who are that hateful and they both have that look
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  Speaker 1: just a drawn out it's always this it's always the
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  Speaker 1: downturn face The squinted eyes, the mean, and just perusing
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  Speaker 1: some of their past episodes, they always look like that. Like,
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  Speaker 1: what is it about hateful people that show it on
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  Speaker 1: their face? And it's just, you can see it. You
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  Speaker 1: can see it seething out of them. That's neither here
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  Speaker 1: nor there. All right, so the backlash starts. And this is, again,
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  Speaker 1: the point that they really did miss. The backlash, because
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  Speaker 1: the first people who heard it were their own listeners
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  Speaker 1: and followers. The backlash started there. And then the conservative
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  Speaker 1: people got a hold of it here. But they don't
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  Speaker 1: understand that. Or they do in line. Now, this was
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  Speaker 1: the first defiant route of the East about my how
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  Speaker 1: things changed. Here you go. Here's the. All right.
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  Speaker 2: There's a huge online cancellation campaign from all the titty
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  Speaker 2: babies over at Turning Point that want I've had a
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  Speaker 2: podcast to be canceled. Why is Turning Point spearheading this? Well,
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  Speaker 2: let me tell you why. They are in big trouble.
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  Speaker 2: Even Republicans are starting to question, are they worth it?
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  Speaker 2: They get millions of dollars in funding. And as everybody
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  Speaker 2: saw on Tuesday, they got L after L after L
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  Speaker 2: after L because they're losers and they lost because they believe.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Turning point is the organization, Charlie Kirk's organization that's
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  Speaker 1: still there. And it's a, you know, they still do
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  Speaker 1: the rallies on campuses, whatever. So that's a pretty defiant.
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  Speaker 1: That's not exactly an apology, is it? That's a pretty
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  Speaker 1: defiant response. to this happening and that was almost immediate
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  Speaker 1: after the controversy happened on their podcast you don't get
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  Speaker 1: that kind of a response unless the first people who
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  Speaker 1: responded to it negatively were their own followers very interesting
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  Speaker 1: so it's deflecting obviously that's always the game and they
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  Speaker 1: blamed everybody else for all this pushback well she wrapped
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  Speaker 1: that up that defiant thing by saying we're not going
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  Speaker 1: away and we're not you know and we're not well
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  Speaker 1: things have changed over the past few days this is
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  Speaker 1: interesting uh i'll start with this Here's the official written
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  Speaker 1: apology where I'm sure they have a PR team, a
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  Speaker 1: crisis management team, or something. And ask yourself while I'm
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  Speaker 1: reading this, I won't read the whole thing, what would
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  Speaker 1: have led to this where they actually are a lot
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  Speaker 1: more contrite? On Thursday's show, I'm going to lean in
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  Speaker 1: and read this, we laughed at a joke about Charlie Kirk.
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  Speaker 1: It was an insensitive joke and we should not have laughed.
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  Speaker 1: We regret it and we apologize. Notice the difference between
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  Speaker 1: the immediate response. Where she was, we're not going away
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  Speaker 1: and we're not mad. Again, the anger and the downturn
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  Speaker 1: face and the anger and the drawn face. And this.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever our political difference is, there is nothing funny about
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  Speaker 1: gun violence. This is actually a pretty smart framing of
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  Speaker 1: what they're doing. Notice how she twisted it to gun violence,
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  Speaker 1: the gun issue. Take guns away from everybody. This is
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  Speaker 1: what they do. We've long supported common sense safety reform.
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  Speaker 1: So this isn't really an apology. They turned this into
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  Speaker 1: the gun issue, right? Okay, nothing that they did wrong.
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  Speaker 1: To that end, made a decision to, every time, gun safety,
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  Speaker 1: the gun violence. So it's not really an apology, but
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  Speaker 1: it's definitely more contrite than what it was. All right, now,
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  Speaker 1: what would have led to that? How do we go from,
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  Speaker 1: their l and they're wrong and they're doing this and
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  Speaker 1: they they're trying to get us canceled to one day
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  Speaker 1: later we're wrong it was insensitive and then they twisted
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  Speaker 1: into you know the gun violence issue here's what happened
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  Speaker 1: here's the big development of what happened so and again
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  Speaker 1: keep this in mind it wasn't just conservatives who were
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  Speaker 1: mad at this wasn't just charlie kirk followers of those
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  Speaker 1: turning point usa followers It's their own listeners as well,
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  Speaker 1: which they won't admit that it had enough of this too. Ironically,
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  Speaker 1: the name of their podcast is I've Had It. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of their followers have had it too. That's a
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  Speaker 1: bridge too far even for them. So active deals of
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  Speaker 1: sponsors on their I've Had It, which is promoted and,
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  Speaker 1: you know, is supported and platformed by the politicians. Now
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  Speaker 1: these sponsors have gone away. First one out of the
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  Speaker 1: box was Cash App. Good for them. These are all sponsored.
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  Speaker 1: That podcast have lost because of this. Cash App, Casper,
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  Speaker 1: Honey Love, iRestore, NOBL, Noble Travel, Hexclad, Ethos, Amber, Jones
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  Speaker 1: Road Beauty, Momentous. That's up last night. There are already
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  Speaker 1: more this morning. You think maybe that would have led
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  Speaker 1: to the more contrite apology? Even though they politicized it,
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  Speaker 1: made it about gun violence and not the stupidity of
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  Speaker 1: what they said. Think maybe that was the difference?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened. So do you support it? I do.
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  Speaker 1: I don't call that canceling. I don't call that even
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  Speaker 1: a boycott. I really don't, even though technically it is.
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  Speaker 1: We all learned something after the whole Bud Light fiasco.
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  Speaker 1: People had had, whether you think that was a joke
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  Speaker 1: or not, it had an effect, and people started to realize,
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  Speaker 1: normal people started to realize, I'm going to make my
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  Speaker 1: voice heard by not supporting their sponsors. You know, that's
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  Speaker 1: what they did. And I think that's right. If you
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  Speaker 1: had something going on that you don't like particularly, all right,
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  Speaker 1: there you go. Contact their sponsors and say, hey, are
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  Speaker 1: you supporting this? And I support that. But there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people calling for them to be taken down
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  Speaker 1: and canceled so that their voices aren't heard anymore. This
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  Speaker 1: particular podcast with Jennifer Welch and Angie Sullivan, like canceled,
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  Speaker 1: like they'll never be on again. I don't support that.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of hinted at this in the introduction, but
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  Speaker 1: here's exactly why. I want more of them exposed. I
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  Speaker 1: want them out there. I want people to see what
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  Speaker 1: kind of hate-filled rage is actually in there. And let's
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  Speaker 1: be big boys and girls on this. You can find
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  Speaker 1: the same similar kind of thing on the other side
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  Speaker 1: as everything's so divided these days. You can find that
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  Speaker 1: kind of hate too. I don't want them canceled either.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want them going away. I want more free speech.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a free speech absolutist because the only counter to
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  Speaker 1: that is more free speech, where you shout that down,
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  Speaker 1: where you expose it, and you let real people who
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  Speaker 1: don't have time to pay attention to these stupid podcasts,
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  Speaker 1: even mine, to understand exactly what's out there. You see it.
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  Speaker 1: You realize it. You see it. Because again, and I'll
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  Speaker 1: repeat this, you talk to normal, everyday, regular, hardworking Americans,
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  Speaker 1: and you explain to them, and if you just describe, wow,
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  Speaker 1: did you see this podcast with these two just hate-filled witches?
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  Speaker 1: were laughing at the murder of Charlie Kirk and they
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  Speaker 1: want to do it again, they wouldn't believe you until
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  Speaker 1: they see it for themselves. Because it's hard to understand
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  Speaker 1: what's exactly out there and how much hate there actually
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  Speaker 1: is until you see it. So no, I don't. How
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  Speaker 1: do you handle this kind of stuff? Bring more free speech.
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  Speaker 1: That's my solution to it. I don't want them canceled
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  Speaker 1: at all. I don't want to go back to that world.
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  Speaker 1: Back to that world where it was Twitter and not
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  Speaker 1: X and people were just canceled because they didn't agree
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  Speaker 1: with a certain politician. I don't want that again. I
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  Speaker 1: want People exposed for what they are. Because eventually, they
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  Speaker 1: do get exposed, like what's happening right now with those two.
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  Speaker 1: That's my solution to it anyway. The answer to bad
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  Speaker 1: speech is free speech. I think. I don't know. Let
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  Speaker 1: me know what you think. If you're hanging out with me,
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you speaking of free speech. Wicked Radio livestream
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  Speaker 1: on X and YouTube and Facebook, and the replay on
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  Speaker 1: X and YouTube and Facebook as well, and the audio podcast,
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  Speaker 1: wherever you like to get those. It's only Tuesday. And
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  Speaker 1: support and practice your free speech. You should. You have
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  Speaker 1: a voice too. Make it a wicked awesome one. I'll
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  Speaker 1: talk to you tomorrow.