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Why Collectors Fall in Love With Flawed Cards | The Hangover Ep. 2 · Sports Card Clubhouse

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All right, guys, welcome back to The Hangover, brought to you by
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Sports Cards live on the Sports Card Clubhouse.
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My name is Jeremy Lee. I'm joined with two two of the
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Sports Cards live Saturday night regulars.
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We got Mr. Joe Perot and Mr. David Chase.
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Gentlemen, we are back for episode 2 of The Hangover.
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David, you were here before Joe welcome to your first appearance
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on this new piece of content exclusive on The Sports Card
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Clubhouse. How you doing buddy?
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Doing great. Thanks.
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Great to be here. Good to see you, David.
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Jerry Lee, you know what has it been 48 hours for for us since
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we last. It's almost like we were just
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here doing sports live on Saturday.
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We are recording today here, Monday, May the 25th.
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This is dropping on Wednesday, May the 27th.
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Just so everybody understands. The timelines are David Chase.
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Welcome back, buddy. Thank you.
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I'm happy to be here and I love having my buddy Joe here with
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us. Let's get this going.
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Let's get this going. We have a few things we're going
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to cover today. We've actually got 4 topics on
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the agenda. We'll see if we get through all
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Mail days all right, what I like to do here on the hangover is
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because we don't do this on sports cards live very often,
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but a few pickups we've had I I bought 2 cards last night guys
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on Fanatics collects weekly auction.
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I, I do a Sunday night show covering that auction and I just
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so happened to be bidding on cards as well.
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I won two cards last night Joe, you won one card.
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Let's see what we picked up last night.
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I'm going to go back to the old screen share here and who do we?
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Whose card should we? David, you decide my 2 cards
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first or Joe's one card first. I want to see Joe's card first
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please. All right, Joe, I'm going to
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bring it up and get ready to talk about here we go.
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Here's the card Joe picked up last night on Fanatics Collect
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Weekly Auction 2004 Upper Deck Hardcourt Vince Carter etched in
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time one of one in APSA 7 holder.
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Joe, tell us about this card. Why what?
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What brought you to it? What do you love about it?
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Why'd you buy it? How'd you make those decisions
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last night? Well, I became exposed to the
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card down there in Ontario when our guy Hoge picked up an MJ
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version of this card raw in the wild.
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I think subsequently he's had it graded, but it's a singular
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card. It does not connect to any other
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card. It is the only one of one.
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There's no of 20. There's no of 50.
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So it's maybe in the lexicon of of sports cards collecting, it's
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a masterpiece, one of one. And this particular 1, you can
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see the etched theme is that little wood chip there where
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it's acknowledging that Vince holds the record and he still
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does. He's tied now with Damian La
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Lord for the most 3 pointers in a single half in a playoff game,
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which is 8 and he went on to score 50 points.
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I actually have a vague memory of that 2001 Eastern Conference
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semi finals against the Sixers. It was the year Kobe and Shaq
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ended up taking the title, but the Sixers lost to them.
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But the but the Raptors and I mean Vince sanity.
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Come on. I know we got some Canadian
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viewers out there talking the other night with Jace reminding
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me of Kawhi. I feel like the Raptors and
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Vince Carter in particular kind of underrated and and and kind
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of A at the time Vinsanity was like he was coming for MJ.
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So anyway, a cool card and anytime you add a one of one in
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with Vince in a Raptors jersey you got to be happy.
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I love it, man. Air Canada.
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We had Air Jordan, he was Air Canada.
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What do you think, David? How do you like the card?
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I mean, I love it is I? Do you have a large Vince Carter
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collection or is this your only Vince Carter card?
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It I've got a couple, but most of the Vince Carter cards I have
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are when I was actually opening packs like in the early 2000s.
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So they're, you know, are, are fishing in the dollar box, you
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know, and, and, and scoring those kind of things, 'cause he
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was, I mean, like 99 to two, 2001, he was like blowing up.
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So I'm sure Jay Lee remembers all that.
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But no, it's more dunks. Yeah, it's more the hallmark
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now, David, of my Vince Carter collection, I would say.
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Well done Joe, well done. Beautiful pick up.
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I love it. I love it.
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It's great. I love Vince in the Raptors
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uniform and the one-on-one nature of it of course, makes it
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very special. All right, two cards I picked
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up. Let's go to the first one.
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Here it is. I picked up the 1966 Marvel
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Superman card. This is the what y'all mean
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$0.50 extra for gift wrapping card.
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This is card number 38. The 1966 Marvel superhero set is
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really cool. 66 card set and I believe there's six or seven
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different superheroes feature. They each have a subset within
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the master set. Here in the Spider Man cards are
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cards #34 to 44. This is card 38 Typically the
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first of that of that run is considered the rookie card.
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So spider man's rookie card would be considered card number
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34. This is card 38.
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I thought it was really cool. I thought for the grade in apsa
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three holder. It just looked beautiful for the
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grade. So I grabbed that I got all
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excited in the in the you know the the action of the auction.
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I grabbed this one. So this is my very first 66
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marvel superhero card. This is the spider man copy and
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then I picked up this one as well the Iron Man card number 19
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titled please please I'd rather do it myself and guys.
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I just think that this card is beautiful the colors a big image
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of Iron Man himself there his cards run 12 to 22 in the 66
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card set. This is card number 19.
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So I grabbed these my very first my very first marvel superhero
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cards from 1966 and I I just really enjoy non sport not all
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non sport, but some non sport and I'm excited to get these
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I've already paid for them. They are already being shipped
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to me here in in Canada. I will be hit with a bit of a
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duty customs duty when they come across the border, but I'm
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excited to to receive those. So there we go fellas.
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Those are mine. And any thoughts on those guys,
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David, what do you think? Yeah, I mean, I I love those
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cards. It's funny to me how with the
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superhero cards in these sets, that first card is so much more
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expensive than the other ones, even though they all came out in
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the same set. And I kind of refer that back to
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like the 33 Gaudi set with the Gehrig where those two cards are
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very similarly priced. I know, Jeremy, I've asked you
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that question when I was just a commenter about that actually,
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where you wanted that number 92. I think it is the first one.
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But in reality, because the second one has a little bit
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lower pop, they're at the same price pretty much.
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And it's just so crazy how that first card, like the Superman
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card you have too, is so much more expensive than the other
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ones in the same set. Same.
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What about you know, you I, I would, my mind went to the
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Gehrigs as well from 33 Gaudi and then my mind also goes to
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the Babe Ruth's, which it seems like for the Babe Ruth's now
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noted that the Babe Ruth's aren't considered the rookies.
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I think 33 Gaudi, a lot of people consider those to be the
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Gehrig rookies, even though he's got that earlier exhibit or
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whichever card that is, the oversized one.
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But for the Babe Ruth's guys, it feels like people just consider
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all four of them equal for the roofs #53 being the lowest
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number. The yellow portrait is kind of,
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to me, the most iconic of them all.
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But really, people don't really care about that when it comes to
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use. They like all of them.
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So I don't know how to reconcile that or if it even matters.
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But I what you're saying, back to your main point, as far as
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these superhero cards, you know, it's the other thing is that
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like I, I'm, I do covet more the first cards of these superheroes
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in the 66 dawn rush, they just weren't available.
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And I'm OK having these ones as well.
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But I'm also on this like I don't need to collect rookie
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cards all the time so that these new pickups fit into that for
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me. But that said, I still want the
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first the earlier numbered cards and then those would fit with my
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like what I would consider to be the the rookie cards.
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And I still do love rookie cards and collect them even though I
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also love non rookie cards. Joe, any thoughts on on the
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Marvel pieces? I love the little descriptors
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there about the wrapping paper and then, you know, do it
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myself. They they clearly are bringing
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some humor to the images. And as you mentioned, you
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definitely scored, you know, high, high eye appeal for the
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grade, the colors. 1966 was a spectacular year for reasons
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having to deal with my own birth.
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And I think that's also the year that that pretty famous Batman
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set came out too. So they must have been very much
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keyed into kind of, you know, the comic hero cards at that
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point. And, and that was sort of a, a,
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a moment like a renaissance moment for for that area of
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creation, but beautiful colors, beautiful colors.
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Right on. Well, appreciate it guys.
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I'm very excited to get those. Congrats, Joe on your Vince
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Carter. David, next time we record the
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hangover you'll have, hopefully you'll have something to share.
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If not, that's OK too. I showed it on sports cards
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live. I showed a pick up that I had at
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the at the card show that I went to so I didn't want to show it
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twice. Fair enough you can all and by
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the way, this is exclusive Sports Card Clubhouse content.
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But for more of us three, we are a part of the overall all the
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the crew of regulars on sports cards live on Saturday nights on
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my YouTube channel, which is called sports cards live.
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We also have Chris Hoge from card ladder, Josh Adams, who's
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Midwest vintage on Instagram and from 90s auctions joins us
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Leighton Sheldon from just collect comes in twice a month
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usually and joins us as well over there.
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We'll, we'll have those guys on this on the Hangover in due
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course here guys. But let's let's get into our
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first sort of topic of the night.
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And this is one that is provides a bit of continuity between
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Episode 2 here, The Hangover and last week's Episode 1 where we
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were talking about card deformities.
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And one commenter, I don't know if you guys have heard of this
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guy, but there's there's a commenter and I'm just going to
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bring up his comment right here. His name is Mookie Chilson.
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And he was so excited. He wrote what a brilliant debut
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episode, fellas. And I just thought that was so
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kind of him to give us that comment.
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He called us brilliant. He called us fellas.
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What a for extra emphasis. I was just so excited to see
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Mookie right, that this was a brilliant debut episode last
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week on the Clubhouse, The Hangover.
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So nice of him. But it doesn't end there.
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All right, there could the comment continues and let's get
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the rest of it. He says.
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I think there are malformations and deformities in cards.
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He goes on to say malformed cards are literally made wrong.
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Could be a rough cut, a fisheye diamond cut, ink missing,
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etcetera. Deformed cards include the
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category of malformed cards, but I think they also include post
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production alterations, pin holes, writing on them, corner
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where sun fading, paper loss, etcetera.
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He concludes and says therefore a malformation is a deformity,
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but a deformity isn't necessarily a malformation.
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So he's drawing the line and saying malformed cards are just
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produced with some flaw, whereas a deformed card is something
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that is that that is a, an impact on the card itself post
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birth, after it's come out of its pack.
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The pack is the womb. After it comes out of the card
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womb, it is therefore damaged in some way, shape or form, damaged
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or altered. So I thought this is a really
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interesting comment because we talked about this last week and
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we were kind of the last episode of the Hangover episode 1 was me
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and David and we were kind of talking about this deformities
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issue. But we we were making it up as
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we go along. I would say David, and that we
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were kind of figuring it out in our minds on the fly.
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And I think it's an interesting topic.
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And I like where Mookie Chilson's mind is going here as
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he's trying to take that concept and really, you know, flesh it
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out, think it through because we didn't really do that.
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And I think that this is progressing that discussion if
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we were to say, hey, let's come up with some definitions for
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what a deformity is or what a malformation is on a card.
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So I'll just kind of start with a couple of my thoughts guys on
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his comment and and then we'll go to Joe and David and get your
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thoughts. But the one thing that I I'm not
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totally comfortable with, with what he says here is where he
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says that malformed cards are literally made wrong.
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Because to me, when I think of a malformation, I think about the
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physical object itself, the physical nature of it, not
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necessarily the way it looks, if you can discern between those
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two things. So where I'm drawing, where I'm
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sort of drawing a line is I agree with him that a rough cut
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is a malformation. A diamond cut where it's not a
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perfect rectangle is a malformation.
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I have, I have a, my definition of diamond cut is different than
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a lot. I I separate diamond cut from
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tilt. A lot of cars there are printed
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where the the the card canvas is a perfect rectangle with 490°
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angles, but the image is applied to the was printed on the card
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on tilt. To me that's a centering issue,
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not diamond cut. To me, diamond cut is where the
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cut of the card is actually more like a diamond, IE it is not a
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perfect rectangle. You have, you have a
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parallelogram of sorts. And so I think that diamond cut
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is a malformation ink missing though to me like for example,
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the 1990 tops Frank Thomas error, there's ink missing.
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I don't think that's a malformation.
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I think that's a, a print error. I think that's something a
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little bit different, but I'm OK including it if we have to.
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I, I don't feel that passionately about it.
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I'm just explaining my thought on it.
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So, but, but I do like how he is separating out a card that comes
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out of the pack with flaws versus one that is flawed
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afterwards. And so I'm still not sure how to
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properly define or, you know, distinguish between malformation
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and deformities when it comes to cards.
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But I think there's something to this discussion.
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And again, I don't plan, I, I don't, I don't intend for us to
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get to the answer here today or ever.
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Maybe not, but we'll see if there's more discussion about
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it. But with all that said, let's,
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let's see which of you guys has some thoughts kind of ready to
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go first. Just let's see who has, who
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wants to go first here. OK, David, what, what are, what
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are your thoughts? Yeah, I mean man, I mean those
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definitions. Listen, you guys are smarter
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than me, but I'll tell you between free out of the packet
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and post out of the pack. I, I think some of the things
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that Jeremy and I even spoke about, even off air about it,
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you know, riding on a card, I don't know if that's really
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makes it a card deformed, right? The way we were kind of thinking
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about it even is like a tattoo, right?
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I guess there's some people that would say that that can, that
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can be a, a form of having as somebody be deformed, but not
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really, in my opinion, also like sunwear.
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Could that be like a major sunburn?
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I don't know because the sunburn heals and sunwear on a card does
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not paper loss. I can see that because it really
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does take off the card and it's permanent, unlike paper gain
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would not be right from it's ripped out of the scrapbook.
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So man, there's so many different ways to go through
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this. But I really think the, the the
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the way that you were thinking Jeremy for deformities is really
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pre pack pulled that came out in a negative way that is not
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typical. There wasn't very many of them.
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It's kind of a one off scenario on a card, right?
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Yeah, that is we're kind. Of thinking.
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That is what I was thinking last week and I I am realizing that I
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think that was a little limited in scope and I do agree with
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Mookie here that a deformity would include a card that comes
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out of the pack with that deformity.
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But a pinhole, I agree is a deformity, a paper loss post
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birth is also a deformity. So I'm, I'm, I'm willing to
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broaden the scope of the definition that I came up with
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sort of in my mind on the fly last week to include those
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things. So I certainly agree.
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But it like you, I love the analogies you came up with
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there, You know, ink or writing on the card.
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That's like a tattoo sun fading, that's like a sunburn.
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And even though sunburns go away, they, they can leave scars
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if they're really bad. So, you know, there are there
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are good analogies there, but I am certainly willing again to
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expand the scope of the definition from what I was
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saying last week to what we're saying now.
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Joe, what? What do you think about all
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this? Well, for starters, I, I feel
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like Mookie Chilson is Alfred Hitchcock, you know, who appears
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in his own movies at various moments.
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You just don't know quite when it's going to be He's he's
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elusive. He's very elusive.
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But if you look close, you will you will find the MOOC the.
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MOOC. I, I don't know, I, I not to get
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into like the semantics of malformed deformed.
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I just think all cards have stories.
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Some are, you know, production, pre production, production and
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then post production moments in their, in their journey.
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And one of the areas that I would distinguish is kind of
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deformities or malformities that are lapses versus more
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intentional participation with the card, for instance.
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Mookie is also well known for his pinhole collection and I
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think it was Greg made the point that, you know, generally pin
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holes are the byproduct of somebody, you know, showing the
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card on a on a board or something, you know, somehow or
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another displaying it. And for that reason, there,
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it's, it's kind of an honorific, if you will, this, this card
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meant enough to somebody at some point before maybe condition was
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understood to be so critical that they, they displayed it in
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their home or, you know, maybe in their garage or in their work
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shed or something. Similarly writing, I've had a
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number of cards where, you know, somebody puts the position of a
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player or maybe, you know, the, the average, their average,
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which to me also sort of speaks to a certain love and
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participation with the cardboard that I find compelling.
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I don't, you know, I, I don't want to necessarily champion
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them too much, but they're, they're, you know, those kind of
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deformities, I suppose that don't bother me as much versus,
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you know, things that are like registration and centering where
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I, I, I have a sometimes a little harder time getting past.
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Yeah, yeah. I don't think registration
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sending our deformities again. The other thing we were talking
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about the pinhole and the honorarium sort of thing or the
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how I think the way and I remember hearing that discussion
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I got the Greg was having, you know, I think it was Greg, but
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that the cards were a trophy to somebody and it adds the story
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those where there's a pinhole. That card was pinned on a board
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because somebody loved it that much to put it on display in
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their bedroom back in the whatever 30s, forties, 50s,
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sixties, 70s sort of thing. And that adds to the story of
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the card. And I love, I love the idea that
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cards have stories and were loved in their past.
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And I love the, I love the pinhole approach that Mookie
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has. I think it's one of the smartest
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approaches in the hobby. David.
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Yeah. And I just had a question for
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Joe for that card that he was showing the Kareem rookie how it
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had that little indention, right like at the side on the edge
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Jeremy that would card would not be allowed in his collection.
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Joe would something like that that looked beautiful in every
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other way. Do you think that that would be
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a deal breaker for you? Not a deal breaker, but it it
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probably would bother me more than some areas.
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Just I don't know that that little the cleft if you will,
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but but not not horribly. I mean I I guess I I would need
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it would need to be the right price like.
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And card dependent, right? It depends on like how big of a
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grail card it is too. Probably right if.
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It's if it's a card, I mean, this might tie into one of our
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other topics, but the the idea of, you know, a placeholder or
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something that, you know, you're eventually going to swap out
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because it is that important of a card for you.
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If it's not that important and it's just like something that's,
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you know, representing a cool, a cool moment that you had a
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chance to acquire a card, Yeah, I could live with it.
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Yeah, that that cleft as you put it, Joe was the deformity that
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started that discussion from that Kareem Abdul Jabbar, the
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Lou Alcindor 69 tops that we looked at last week.
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And that discussion continued in the in the comments or some good
23:29
stuff in there in there as well. So yeah, I think it's a fun
23:35
discussion and you know, I'm I'm thinking about when you asked
23:40
Joe if it would be a deal breaker for him.
23:42
And you know, Joe has had some pretty roughed up cards in the
23:46
past. You have.
23:47
And we're going to see one of them shortly here, guys.
23:49
We're going to see one of them soon.
23:50
But you know, I'd like to hear from people.
23:53
If you're watching, listening, let us know in the comments.
23:56
How do you think about this malformity, deformity, pre
24:00
birth, post birth, and I don't mean birth as off the printing
24:05
press. To me, at birth means out of the
24:07
pack. How does it come out of the
24:08
pack? What happens before it gets
24:11
before it comes out of the pack versus what happens after it
24:13
comes out of the pack? Does that matter to you at all?
24:17
So I think it's interesting, it's a fun thing to discuss.
24:20
And I think we're all still trying to get our heads around
24:22
how this how we can understand these these various flaws and
24:28
and issues that the cards have Any any.
24:31
Yeah, Joe. Just I'm thinking about how
24:33
we've, you know, adopted that phrase honest corners.
24:36
And it's it's interesting because it seems like maybe
24:39
maybe corners are the one thing that are allowed to be honestly,
24:43
you know, utilized. But you know, when we something
24:47
is sun damage or something has, you know, a mark on it, it maybe
24:51
isn't considered as I mean, I'm I'm being a little exaggerated
24:55
in that perspective, but the corners seem to be the the area
24:58
that we allow for having kind of that engagement with the card
25:02
that leads to a condition of detraction.
25:06
And the, when corners are rounded and they, they're, you
25:09
know, so you, we've got honest corners, which I think is like a
25:12
petty, a Mike Petty sort of term.
25:14
And then I call. So I, I take it one level
25:18
further and call them sexy corners.
25:19
And that's when the on, that's when honest corners are nice and
25:23
symmetrically rounded across all four of them.
25:26
Now you've got a sexy rounded corner card.
25:29
And, and I, I think I love that because it's honest where it's
25:33
that part of that story about the card.
25:35
Again, it's not a in hole, but it just proves that somebody
25:38
really enjoyed owning these cards, that they got enough
25:42
wear, the card experienced enough wear that those corners
25:45
were nicely rounded. Honestly, I love that.
25:50
The other thing about that, that Kareem card that that divot or
25:54
that cleft is that to me, that card is no longer a perfect
25:57
rectangle and and different from rounded corners.
26:01
And I know this, I know that doesn't really add up.
26:04
But for me, I, if those corners are nicely rounded, but the,
26:09
the, the side edges and the top and bottom edges are perfectly
26:14
parallel to each other and not on any angles, then to me that
26:18
is still like, it's not a perfect rectangle.
26:21
I know, but it's a perfect rectangle with, you know, even
26:24
on, on like in Canva and Photoshop, you know, you can
26:29
adjust the roundness of corners and keep that rectangle intact.
26:33
And so that's the way I think of it.
26:34
That's, and this is not about, you know, telling people how
26:38
things should be. This is just how I, what I love
26:41
about cards and how, what I'm willing.
26:43
So I'm willing to accept those rounded corners, especially when
26:47
when they are post pack birth. But that divot in the side,
26:52
that's not something that, you know, all vintage cards have
26:55
where most vintage cards have some form of round the corner.
26:58
So I just didn't like that. It wouldn't be for me, but it
27:01
but hey, it's it's a it's a money saver for a lot of people
27:04
who want to buy a lower grade card that that looks great in
27:08
many other ways. So each to their own, right,
27:10
Dave. Yeah.
27:12
And and I, it's very interesting though that it is accepted for
27:15
these rounded corners because in reality, when they're super
27:18
rounded, it is paper loss, right?
27:21
Like if you measure the card out, there is a little bit of
27:24
paper missing on each corner that makes it rounded and OK.
27:30
Yeah. Is is the is the term honest do
27:33
you think? I mean, I was thinking it's
27:34
like, is a crease dishonest? Is a pinhole dishonest?
27:37
Is the term honest corners connected to.
27:40
It's less likely to have been trimmed when you have.
27:43
Time, yes, that's I think how Petty views it.
27:46
Who I think came up with this is that he thinks that it's less of
27:49
a chance it's been altered when it's honest.
27:52
Honest corn. Yeah, honest.
27:54
But you know what? It's a good question, Joe,
27:55
because I think a pinhole, I even think a, a kid putting
28:00
their initials on the on the card somewhere and pen or
28:02
pencil, I think that's honest to.
28:04
The intention back then was not to deceive anybody or RIP
28:08
anybody off the the obviously you're not improving the
28:12
condition of your card. I think those are all honest,
28:16
you know, alteration. Those are honest alterations.
28:20
The term alteration often connotes or implies, you know, a
28:24
negative intent, you know, a misleading intent, taking
28:28
advantage of somebody. But there are, these are all
28:31
honest alterations. Now, rounded corners, I think
28:34
they're also, you could say they're also an honest
28:37
alteration, but they happen over time.
28:39
It doesn't just, you know, it's not like you put a, you put a
28:41
pin through a hole, you put a thumbtack through a cart.
28:44
That's it. That pinhole is there.
28:45
It's not really changing, but corners are gradually round of
28:49
more and more over time. One of my one of my collecting
28:53
buddies and I had this one term we used HBC handled by child,
28:59
which was sort of, you know, a different kind of where, where
29:04
it wasn't necessarily an honorarium, it wasn't
29:07
necessarily an attempt to deceive.
29:09
It was, you know, just a child doing what children do with
29:13
objects that they find interesting.
29:15
I love that handled by child. That's awesome.
29:18
David, what did you want to jump in with?
29:19
Yeah, I love that too Joe. That's great.
29:21
That's a great thought. When you're talking about
29:24
honesty, you know, about anti alterations and stuff.
29:27
Some things that I also don't mind as much as other people is
29:30
sometimes even like a little bit of dirt, right 'cause then, you
29:33
know it hasn't been cleaned. Or the 51 Bowman's that have wax
29:37
on the back, which I know can be taken off too.
29:39
We'll take though. That's an honest back and it's
29:42
some honest dirt to make it where we know that it hasn't
29:45
been soaked, you know? You know, this comes like
29:47
exactly. I just, I'm OK with these honest
29:50
issues, even a bit, even a a bit of a pencil mark on the card if
29:55
that's going to save me thousands and thousands of
29:57
dollars. I think I'm, I'm OK with that.
30:00
So yeah, it's a really interesting, interesting topic
30:03
there. And yeah, I'm, I'm kind of
30:06
really enjoying the idea that honest issues are really just
30:13
ways to get into higher. I appeal cards at a low at a
30:16
lower price, and that's something I think a lot of
30:18
people are looking for these days.
30:20
So all right guys, you ready to move on to the next topic?
30:25
Oh yeah. It's related.
30:27
No, we're going to save, we're going to we're switching up the
30:29
order that I'd let you guys. We're going to go now to
30:31
placeholder cards, David and the reason because hey, it's a nice
30:35
segue we talked about you even said it.
30:37
I think that that that Kareem card, that Alcindor could be a
30:40
placeholder for people who might be waiting for and a lot of
30:43
cards that are low technical grade and even have I appeal
30:49
issues act as placeholders for a lot of people.
30:52
So this topic came from a discussion, David, that you were
30:55
having with midlife Greg. Now you guys either had it on an
30:59
on an issue of midlife car chase or when you filled in on surface
31:03
issues. You guys had, I forget which
31:05
episode it was, but you guys were having a conversation about
31:07
a much broader topic and you very lightly brushed on the
31:13
topic of placeholders. And as I was listening, I
31:16
thought they mentioned it, but they didn't talk about it much.
31:19
Let's talk about it here on The Hangover today.
31:22
The concept of a placeholder card and whether or not you're
31:25
somebody who who likes to have a placeholder or you would rather
31:29
just wait for the actual card you want to own down the road.
31:33
And I've had varying thoughts on this in the past, but let's
31:37
start with Joe on this one. Joe, are you somebody who has
31:40
placeholder cards? You've heard people talk about
31:43
them. Where do you fall on the idea of
31:46
having placeholder cards in your collection, or for your friends
31:49
even? I absolutely have been a
31:52
placeholder in my collection type of collector, but I'm
31:58
trending away from it. And I think it's partially just
32:01
seeing, you know, the finite years of existence I have and,
32:05
and not wanting to waste time, you know, getting, getting to
32:08
the end game sooner, but that, that, you know, has to be taken
32:15
into some consideration with budget.
32:17
And, and sometimes it's a, a wait and see type of thing where
32:22
I'm not sure if it's a placeholder card or if it's my,
32:26
my permanent card. I just pulled this out.
32:28
I don't know if you can see it very well.
32:29
This is obviously a, a Johnson portrait.
32:32
And I would say right now this exists as a placeholder card
32:36
because it's got a lot of tobacco juice.
32:38
It's got some stuff going on obviously on the back as well.
32:42
But what I like about this card is Walter's face and the clarity
32:46
of the registration and even just the color notwithstanding
32:50
the fact that it's got tobacco juice on it is very nice.
32:53
So right now I, I, I am thinking of this as a placeholder card,
32:58
but it could be the case that over time I just learned to live
33:02
with this one and, or embrace it because it's got features and
33:05
characteristics that I've come to love over time.
33:08
There's other placeholder cards that I very much discarded,
33:12
wanted nothing to do with why did I ever do this?
33:15
And so I, I think it's, you know, it's, it's a case by case
33:19
situation. You made me think of something
33:22
there, Joe. Which is you might go into
33:26
purchasing a card as a placeholder, but as the time
33:29
goes by, the days, weeks, months and years go by.
33:32
If you don't replace it and you might, your motivation to
33:35
replace it might diminish over time because like I have one,
33:38
I'm going to buy something different now and then as those
33:41
as those as the time goes by, you people might have the be
33:46
prone to be to falling in love with that card and be like, you
33:49
know what? I've learned to love it for what
33:52
it is, for all of its flaws and issues.
33:55
Maybe people learn to love them and keep them and then they that
33:57
placeholder turns into a permanent copy.
33:59
I don't know, I feel like that's probably happened to me over
34:03
time, but I I bet it, I'm guessing it's happened to be.
34:06
Hey, let us know in the comments.
34:07
Has that happened to you? Have you ever bought a card as a
34:09
place or as a placeholder and then been content and and fallen
34:13
in love with it and decided, Nope, that's my copy.
34:16
I'm in no rush to replace it. Let us know in the comments.
34:19
Let's go to David, your thoughts on placeholder cards.
34:22
Yeah, a few, a few years ago, I think I, I ended up buying a lot
34:25
more placeholder cards than I have now.
34:27
I think I've kind of developed into not really wanting to do
34:31
that as often. Now when I buy a card, even if
34:34
it's not the most perfect copy in the world, it has to be one
34:37
that I'm OK with for for a long time.
34:40
And if I find one that's better, great.
34:42
But that's kind of my collecting style in general.
34:44
Like, even if I find a card that I think is is one that I love,
34:49
sometimes you find one that you love even a little bit more.
34:52
And I'm OK with that card being a placeholder, even though I
34:55
didn't even realize it was a placeholder at that time.
34:59
I have fallen in love with a card that I did think that I
35:02
would that was good for a short period of time.
35:04
One that comes to mind is my Bill Russell Rookie.
35:06
It's a one, but it's completely centered and has issues all over
35:11
the place. But I love that card.
35:13
It's actually one of my favourites.
35:15
So I did find a way to love it, but I'm now more patient than
35:18
I've been, which I felt like I've had to developed overtime.
35:22
And the cards that are usually my placeholders in these kind of
35:25
scenarios are very specific kind of things like low population
35:29
cards. You know, I'm into these 48 leaf
35:31
short print cards, they never come up.
35:33
There's only like 200 of them. So when I like, I need this new
35:36
Hauser, which somebody like me cares about that.
35:40
But when one comes up, even if it's a bad version, I'm going to
35:43
buy it. And when I find a better one, I
35:44
will be a placeholder. So it just depends.
35:49
It's card dependent, you know, but it's not often that I'm
35:51
buying a card saying this is a placeholder.
35:54
I'm going to like this card for a while most likely.
35:57
When the card is super rare, like those leaf short prints you
36:00
talked about, it comes down to just the own appeal.
36:03
The appeal is in owning a copy of it.
36:06
To quote Dan's Vintage, who coined that term already feels
36:10
like way back. So yeah, that's where the
36:14
placeholders become permanent based on own appeal in a way.
36:20
So my own thoughts on placeholders are have kind of
36:23
evolved over time. Historically, I never, I never
36:27
wanted a placeholder card because I thought to myself, why
36:33
put money into a card that I'm not going to keep if I can go
36:37
find, but if I can take that same money and go buy other
36:39
cards for my collection that I want to keep.
36:41
You, you often, I mean, people often talk about, you know, you
36:44
hear it, buy the best you can afford sort of thing.
36:48
Well, if you buy the best you can afford, you might not have
36:50
money as much money left for other cards.
36:52
So it can be difficult to allocate your money towards all
36:55
the cards in your want list, especially when that list is
36:58
maybe constantly changing for for many people.
37:02
So I've never been a placeholder card buyer and I never would
37:06
have advised people to buy placeholders.
37:08
However, I think I have another way of thinking about it now.
37:13
And I thought of this when I was watching you and Greg talk about
37:16
this, David, after, you know, my mind was spinning after hearing
37:18
you guys kind of just talk about the topic as part of a much
37:22
broader topic and not getting into it.
37:24
And that is I think about especially a card that is a, you
37:29
know, whatever valuable and important, let's say a card that
37:34
you know isn't going to go down in value because they printed
37:38
the 50 like a modern young guns in hockey or a Shohei Tops card
37:43
or whatever it might be, a prism card.
37:45
Like these cards are moving with the market all the time.
37:48
So here's where I'm coming from. I think about the world of real
37:53
estate and a lot of people will just buy a house to get into the
37:58
market, to ride the market so that when they find the other
38:02
house they want to buy in that city or neighborhood, they've
38:05
already got some some capital appreciation, some equity that's
38:08
built because the market has moved.
38:11
So placeholder cards wise, let's take a let's take a 48 leaf
38:15
Jackie Robinson for example. You may really want one and
38:19
people feel like the market is on fire right now and it seems
38:21
like there's no end to it, let's say.
38:23
So somebody might not believe in placeholders, but might say, you
38:27
know what, I'm going to go pick up 48 Leaf, Jackie.
38:29
That is, you know, maybe I can afford it right now.
38:31
It's not the card I want for my life, for my lifelong copy, but
38:36
it gets me into the market. And then when I find a card I
38:40
want more, I can take that to the show and trade it to the
38:42
dealer. I paid 3 grand for it three
38:45
years ago. Now it's worth 10 grand and it's
38:47
going to help me get into that card I want.
38:49
That's 25 grand because I got 7000 free dollars because the
38:53
card has gone up in value. So I think that to me is the
38:57
argument for placeholders is getting you into the market to
39:01
ride the future value gains if that's the way that it goes,
39:06
David. That's a great point.
39:10
But also as I've more recently, I'm starting to think with
39:15
placeholders, which I really, what does a placeholder mean?
39:19
It means that you just don't love your copyright.
39:21
That's what that really means. It means that you like it, you
39:24
just don't love it. So here's the question.
39:26
Do we have to wait for it to us to, to buy that new version
39:31
before we let this one go? And we know that it's not our
39:36
forever copy anyway, right? I mean, Joe, I love your copy,
39:39
but I, I can see, by the way, when you speak about that, that
39:43
card, I can see that it's, you know that it's not your forever
39:47
card. So if you are going.
39:50
Which card do you talk with? The Maddie he just showed.
39:52
Yes, yes, right, yes, yes. Show that one more time.
39:56
I love that. I mean, I think it's beautiful.
39:58
But if you really believe that and we all have limited funds.
40:03
And you're going to the National and you're going to possibly
40:06
want to pick up a huge card. Do you have to pick up that one
40:10
or can you use that because you know it's not your forever card
40:14
to pick up another grail card instead?
40:16
See that what you see, I think what you just said is correct,
40:20
David. By buying a card you might not
40:22
love and getting into the market, you're also giving
40:24
yourself other options and opportunities down the road.
40:27
You might not trade that Maddie. If it's a placeholder for
40:30
another Maddie, you might put it towards something different
40:33
altogether. All that does is give you more.
40:35
It's like the real estate you might buy.
40:37
You might buy a house in in in Phoenix, AZ to get into the
40:42
market, but and you might have a value appreciation, you might
40:47
want to go move to Georgia later on and use that money.
40:50
Buy buy a house in Georgia, you are still in the market and
40:54
going to have some value gain. So versus sitting on cash in
40:58
your bank account, let's say that is earning 0 interest and
41:01
has no capital appreciation and in fact has depreciation as
41:06
inflation occurs. So that's a great point though,
41:09
David, having a placeholder of a car that is not your forever
41:13
copy May and I think does open up more options for you in the
41:17
future. It almost becomes trade bait in
41:19
that way. Listen, I'm I like the card.
41:21
I want this card represented in my collection.
41:24
It's I might replace it down the road.
41:26
If not, I it also gives me other opportunities and options as I
41:29
go to other shows and watch auctions.
41:31
What do? What do you think, Joe?
41:34
Yeah. I mean, I, I was mentioning it
41:36
to David just the other night that I actually have 349 Bowman
41:40
Jackies and one's an SGC 2, one's APSA two and one's APSA
41:46
2.5. And when So when you have the, I
41:49
mean, one of them at least is was and, or might be a
41:53
placeholder or qualify as a placeholder that I'm going to
41:56
move out of. But in, in owning all three of
42:00
them, I'm, I'm much more kind of aware of how they affect me,
42:04
like what I could live with, what I could be interested in.
42:07
And in some cases, like there's a card I've been fascinated
42:11
with. It's an American caramel Rube
42:13
Waddell. And it's got him, you know, Rube
42:17
Waddell Hall of Fame picture with a very interesting
42:21
personality. And he, he, he's, he's cocking
42:24
back. It's a beautiful green
42:26
background. And I've had a placeholder card
42:28
of that for years. And I keep waiting for the right
42:31
one to come along. But somewhere along the way, the
42:33
excitement for the owning that card has waned.
42:37
And so there's there's also the phenomenon of kind of scratching
42:40
the itch and feeling like maybe I'm not as motivated as as I was
42:44
or I don't need a higher end copy than I already have.
42:48
I just have it represented. I have some version of it.
42:51
So I don't know. I think it's a fascinating
42:53
topic. I do have a little bit of a
42:56
hoarder streak in me and I don't mind owning multiples.
43:01
So it's, it's, it's fun to go in and maybe bring this to the
43:04
National and trade up, but it could also be fun to bring home
43:09
a new Walter Johnson big train T2O6 portrait and, and have them
43:16
both and compare them and put them next to each other and kind
43:19
of go compare the registration, compare the, you know, the, the
43:23
color and, and all the different idiosyncrasies that you find in
43:27
especially pre war cards. And then you'll be able to
43:30
dispose of one when you find a different card that you want
43:32
more. We're we're going to have just a
43:35
limited time for our final segment.
43:37
So David, get your last comment in and then we're going to move
43:40
on. I love our last segment, so I
43:42
have to do this fast. But Joe, then at the National,
43:45
will you be bringing a card like that or one of your Bowman
43:49
jackies just in case? What's your thought?
43:53
I'll, I'll probably be needing to bring some heat because my
43:55
bank account is depleted. So cards will be the, the, the,
43:59
the power that I can exert if something were to emerge.
44:03
So yes. All right, good chat.
44:06
Let us know in the comments how you feel about placeholder
44:09
cards, what you thought about this discussion.
44:11
And now we're going to move in to the final segment, the final
44:14
topic of the day. And this one is the first ever
44:17
in the world of sports card content.
44:20
For the first time ever. This is like WrestleMania 1, you
44:23
guys. This is the Jackie off the very
44:27
first Jackie off 1. And that is what is happening
44:30
right here today. We are going to have a look at
44:34
the 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson cars that this panel here has
44:39
possession of. They're in our collection and
44:42
we're going to go through them all.
44:43
And we're going to start first of all, before we do this.
44:47
I have always felt in my for for 12 years since I got my 48 leaf
44:53
Jackie in 2013. Up until about two years ago, it
44:57
was my favorite card in my collection.
44:59
If everyone, if anyone ever said to me, what's your favorite card
45:01
in your collection? 48 Leaf Jackie, I consider it to
45:04
be a top five, if not three most iconic important cards of all
45:09
time. I don't care how many there are
45:10
out there. I love it.
45:12
There's a lot of Griffey juniors and, and, and Jordans and
45:14
Gretzky's as well. I think it is an extremely
45:17
important, iconic card and I love pretty much everything
45:20
about it. And you're going to see a bunch
45:21
of different things about them here today.
45:24
Everybody. That's my opening comments, any
45:27
sort of just opening comments before we show them.
45:30
And 1st, we're going to start by showing Joe's evolution of
45:33
Jackie's. But anything you want to set the
45:35
table with Joe, just your thoughts on the card overall,
45:38
its importance. David, how about you?
45:40
I just think it's it's it's really one of the most important
45:43
cards in the hobby. When you say it's like in the
45:45
top five, I always get mad at Jeremy because I really believe
45:48
it's number three behind the T2 O 6 Wagner and the mantle.
45:52
And I think that if you want to try to argue that it's a, it's
45:56
not Next, I would love to hear that argument because it is an
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extremely important call. And he'll fight you on it.
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Joe, sorry, I thought you were shaking your head, but do you
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have anything to? Just that I, I I find it in an
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incredibly compelling card and leaf set in general, just all of
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them are mini works of art, you know, with the, the variations
46:16
in the, the, the prank quality and the color.
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It's David knows more about this than I do, but it's, it's an
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incredibly deep set and, and the fact that Jackie's, you know,
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understood rookie card is in that set makes it all the
46:30
better. And I always, I always think of
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Andy Warhol for some reason. Why?
46:34
OK, so let's go. What we're going to do is we're
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going to show Joel. So we're going to show Joe's old
46:40
copy and then his new copy. He recently acquired a new copy.
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Then we're going to show David's old copy and his new copy.
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Then we're going to show my one and only ever copy and then all
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three of them together. This is the Jackie off.
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Here we go. Here is Joe's old copy.
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Get ready for this guy's talk about placeholders, talk about
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own appeal. I present you with Joe's old
47:04
copy front and back. Look at that beautifully well
47:09
loved SG-1 Holder 48 Leaf Jackie Robinson.
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Joe, you've got 60 seconds. Tell us the story behind this
47:17
card. I probably got this from Chris
47:19
Sewell back in the late 2000s from when he was selling on
47:23
eBay. You can see there's also pencil
47:25
marks kind of around Jackie's face.
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There are a few attributes to the card, you know, the color
47:32
and the kind of contrast that I appreciated the clarity.
47:35
But over time, I just, you know, even even that scar by his
47:40
cheekbone, just I just left it just couldn't, couldn't quite
47:45
hold on to it. As much of A hoarder as I am.
47:48
So yeah, that's my two cents on that.
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And for those listening this card, it's a it's actually a
47:53
beautiful front outside of some paper loss by his eye.
47:57
It's off centered, but the yellows, the Blues, the blacks,
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the skin tones are beautiful and the reverse is a disaster.
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It's got all sorts of paper loss and discoloration.
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Joe, you want to add something quick?
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Just one quick asterisk, this was in an old SGC holder until
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maybe a year ago when I realized I would be moving off of it and
48:17
I thought it would probably sell better in a in a newer SGC tux.
48:23
Got it. Here he is.
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Description is killer on that card.
48:26
I mean, look at his hat. That's what I always look at and
48:29
look at the depth in that hat still.
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Beautiful. Like there are positive aspects
48:34
of it, like this card, it's a beater.
48:35
It is a beater copy, but it has beautiful elements to it.
48:39
Now here is Joe's new copy. Everybody, here we go.
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Boom, 1948 Leaf Jackie, this is in APSA 2 holder.
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But Joe, this thing is a blazer. I mean there is no paper loss.
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It is off center to the left. The back is super clean.
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He came with Fanatics Collect top 30%.
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I appeal I believe after you purchased it.
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Joe, tell us one minute on this copy.
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Well, I liquidated quite a few cards, including the jacket that
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we just saw down at the West Coast Card Show.
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And my goal was to pick up one on the showroom floor.
49:17
But just, you know, as you know, those cards are hard.
49:19
Like you can have an entire showroom floor, you can have
49:22
5/10/15 of them out there, but if you don't see the right one.
49:27
So I waited. I, I, I brought my cash home.
49:30
And then this popped up on Fanatics.
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And I'd done enough research to sort of feel confident that this
49:37
could very well be the card for me, my forever 48 leaf Jackie.
49:41
And and. And so it was.
49:44
Beautiful. Now here they are beside each
49:45
other. Joe's old copy, his new copy.
49:49
I just congratulations on adding a a lifelong hold copy permanent
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to the collection for you, Joe. Well done.
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OK, let's go to David now. David, here is your and here is
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David's old copy. It is an an in an SGC 1.5
50:07
holder, beautifully centered, lots of sort of surface fading.
50:11
I would say David 60 seconds. Your thoughts?
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Yeah, I when I saved money to buy this card, I was ready for
50:19
it. I went to big shows and it took
50:21
me like 2 years to be able to finally find a centered copy
50:25
that was in low grade. I was on the hunt and it was
50:28
super annoying when I, I was ready and just couldn't find the
50:30
copy I wanted Found this one because it was centered and I,
50:35
I, I actually really, really like this copy When, when it's a
50:39
little farther away from you, you can't see the issues as when
50:43
it has a nice scan or when it's closer.
50:46
It's, it's a, it looks great when it's farther away.
50:50
But anytime I looked at it and I, I would look at Jackie's
50:53
face, I would just think in my mind, I love you Jackie, but you
50:56
deserve better. And I just felt like I needed to
50:59
improve upon him because it's such an important card to me.
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All right, this now, here we go. We're and we're going to bring
51:06
up the the the new one beside it.
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There it is. We've now added to the screen
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David's new 48 leaf. Jackie, this isn't an SGC 3
51:16
holder. There's an MBA silver sticker on
51:18
there. And right away, David, I can see
51:20
how much of an improvement. Look at the bottom third of the
51:22
card specifically. Never mind just the overall
51:25
clarity of Jackie, the color, but that bottom third, the name
51:29
bar, the corners, the, the lack of it.
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I love it. Tell us a bit about the new copy
51:35
and make it quick buddy all. Right.
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I love it. I like, I love it.
51:40
I don't love it when I look at these two cards next to each
51:43
other. I don't like how the yellow is
51:45
kind of blending into the outside of the card.
51:48
It is very toned. But I do love the card and
51:52
actually this weekend I ended up getting that sticker on it when
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I was at the front row card show just because in case something
52:00
smacks me in the face because I love that PSA one Jackie that I
52:03
lost out on, which brought me on to sports cars live for the
52:06
first time, which just had crazy, crazy color.
52:08
When I look at Joe's and Jeremy's, I do get a little
52:11
jealous of their color. But I do love this card and I do
52:15
like that it's worn. It looks like it was, you know,
52:17
it's a vintage card and I do like my copy a lot, but it might
52:22
not be my forever copy. It might be a placeholder, who
52:25
knows. It's a it's beautiful man
52:27
congratulations on the upgrade congratulations to both of you
52:31
on the upgrades all right we'll go to my copy now I'm going to
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put on the screen and here we go there.
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It is this is a this is my 1948 leaf Jackie Robinson.
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It's in APSA 6 holder. I've owned this card since I I'm
52:45
pretty certain it was 2013, so 13 years now and I love it.
52:52
It's it is severely off centered to the left, but I think that's
52:56
pretty much the only thing that's really wrong with it.
52:59
I love the color. I love the registration, the
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corners, the edges, the back is clean.
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I don't have a scan of that to show right now, but you know, I
53:07
traded for this card back in the day and it's it held the
53:11
position as my favorite card in my collection for you know, ten
53:17
of those 12 years. The card that that superseded it
53:20
was the 33 Gowdy Babe Ruth #144 the Standing pose.
53:24
When I acquired that in August of 2024, I believe it was, that
53:28
became my favorite card. And to this day, it jostles for
53:31
position with the Jackie and now my Cracker Jack, Joe Jackson.
53:35
So I love this card. I love the Jackie.
53:38
I thought about improving on it when that PSA one appeared that
53:42
David reached out to me about, but I thought, Nah, I'm I'll
53:46
just keep this. This is a card that was, you
53:48
know, I could have considered a placeholder, but I've just grown
53:50
to love it so much. I have a lot of emotional value
53:53
tied into this card more than anyone else would have.
53:56
So I just love it. And now, finally, all three of
53:59
our Jackie's beside each other. The grand finale of the very
54:03
first ever Jackie off. And there we have them, Joe
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Davids and my copy. And listen they are.
54:10
Look at how the difference. In look at how amazing they look
54:14
next to each other, the yellow, how each of the yellows are so
54:17
different and his hat is so different and it's color of his
54:22
face, right? That's why I love Leaf.
54:25
Unbelievable. It's unbelievable and they're
54:28
all beautiful. I find beauty in all of them.
54:31
I would be happy owning any of these three in my collection.
54:35
Even you know, even Joe's copy, which is the lowest numerical
54:39
grade. That's a that's a like it's not
54:41
that much different than mine. You like as far as the centering
54:44
and the shape of the card goes, they're very similar.
54:47
Color is a lot different, but that's it's a case where, you
54:50
know, I could sell my 6 get into his two and have a bunch of
54:54
money leftover to buy other cards that, you know, like that
54:57
wouldn't be the worst move in history from my perspective.
55:00
A lot of people might think it might be not great, but isn't
55:03
that a isn't that a wicked image?
55:05
Guys? David is David's mystified
55:07
David. You know, I love this.
55:09
I mean looking at leaf cards next to each other is like my
55:12
greatest hobby in the world. But Jeremy, that's a sick.
55:15
I mean, that is a that's a big boy card right there that you
55:18
have. And I know nowadays you don't go
55:20
for PSA sixes with your crazy vintage stuff, right?
55:25
And to Ford the menu, I could not afford this card a card, my
55:29
card in that same grade just sold for like double and it was
55:33
the IT looked the exact same. Actually, mine's a bit better.
55:35
Mine has no tilt. The one that just sold well,
55:39
mine might have a bit of tilt, but the one that just sold has
55:41
like noticeable tilt. So and that's sold for double
55:44
than it used like yeah, I can't afford my card anymore.
55:48
So no, I don't buy cards like this in this high grade.
55:52
To me, a six and a Jackie Leaf is a high grade card.
55:55
No, I don't buy those anymore. Joe, you were, you were going to
55:57
jump in there. Well, I mean it just unless
56:00
you're Marshall Fogle, like you're going to have to settle
56:05
somewhere. I think we've, you know,
56:07
discussed this in other other moments.
56:09
And so like this is a nice case study of like where where you
56:13
might be willing to settle. Like I don't feel great about
56:17
the centering on my card, but I feel great great about the
56:20
color. Mine.
56:21
If you can't see it on the top left corner there is a tiny bit
56:25
of paper loss, but it's in the area that's white so it's almost
56:30
it's difficult to see. Best place for it I.
56:33
Love it, I love that. But as, as David, as a
56:37
connoisseur of the Leaf knows, it's like all these Leafs are so
56:41
idiosyncratic and, and there's, there's even types within the
56:45
individual cards. And, and so you really have to
56:48
kind of, you know, trust your own innate tastes and, you know,
56:52
make the decision knowing that like short of, you know, a, a A7
56:57
figure number, you're, you're, you're going to have to settle
57:00
somewhere. And just to for clarity, yeah,
57:03
agreed, Joe. I mean, this is where people can
57:05
be watching this, looking at these three cards and thinking
57:07
which one would I most like to have at what price point as
57:11
well. I love the little bit of paper
57:14
loss on the card. To me, that's a money saver when
57:16
it's up in that, you know, obviously technical grade, it
57:20
hurts, but I appeal, which I think is the more important of
57:23
the condition standards for me anyway, it is and I think a lot
57:27
of people nowadays that's a great way to just get into a
57:31
card for lesser money. The other thing is that I don't,
57:35
I know that the my card, I don't believe any of these images are
57:39
juice. There's no there there's been no
57:42
alteration to the saturation, the contrast, any of those
57:45
things. These are natural scans.
57:47
So that just also goes to show how different these cards were
57:51
right out of the packs over time, as they, you know, hey, we
57:54
ran out of go get some new yellow.
57:56
All right, They go to the store, they get a yellow.
57:57
It's not the same yellow. That's OK Print the cards.
58:00
Let's ship them off. You know, that's the way that's
58:02
the way it went, guys. Well, there we have it.
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The very first ever in the history of sports card content.
58:08
The Jackie off is now complete. Thank you everybody for checking
58:13
that out. Now we are good to basically
58:18
wrap this up, you guys. I want to thank you both for
58:21
joining. To the people watching,
58:23
listening, let us know about the jackies.
58:26
Which one do you like the most? Which one do you think is the
58:29
most? Do you see the most value?
58:31
And I don't think it's going to be mine.
58:33
You know, Joe, you said that you're, you know, you don't love
58:35
the centering on yours. You obviously don't love the
58:36
centering on mine too, because it's the same centering.
58:38
That is a OK, I feel the same way.
58:41
Don't love it, but I've grown to love the card.
58:43
It is mine. I don't think I'm ever going to
58:45
upgrade it or upgrade by down grading.
58:48
None of that. But guys, final 15 second
58:51
comments, Joe, and your first appearance on The Hangover.
58:56
Just final, final closing thoughts.
58:58
Super fun to be on with you guys.
58:59
Thanks to the Clubhouse Nation for including us.
59:02
And yeah, great show, Jay Lee, look forward to more.
59:06
Absolutely, David Chase. Love the show, love Jeremy, love
59:10
Joe, and I'm just happy to be with both of you on anything and
59:13
I appreciate you both being my friends.
59:15
Guys same him. The feelings are mutual.
59:18
Thank you to the team at the Sports Card clubhouse Adam, Greg
59:23
and Mike and check this out so this is exclusive sports card
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live content on the sports card clubhouse.
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This is the hangover. This was episode 2.
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Thank you everybody this. Is over.