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AC/DC: Rocking On After 50 Years [Episode 242] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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  Speaker 1: Definitely appreciate it. Fifty years ago, in the fall of
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four, Bond, Scott and ACDC joined forces. They
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  Speaker 1: began building the foundation for what will go on to
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  Speaker 1: become one of the world's biggest rock and roll bands.
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  Speaker 1: With Bond, they reached the height of their commercial success
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  Speaker 1: thanks to the multi platinum selling nineteen seventy nine album
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  Speaker 1: Highway to Hell. After Bond's untimely death, Brian Johnson stepped
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  Speaker 1: in as lead singer and with nineteen eighties Back in Black,
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  Speaker 1: the band was even bigger. The album topped the charts
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  Speaker 1: and went on to sell twenty seven million copies, The
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  Speaker 1: ranks as one of the biggest selling albums in music history.
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  Speaker 1: Just recently, ACDC announced some US tour dates, their first
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  Speaker 1: in almost ten years, to promote their latest album Power Up.
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  Speaker 1: Here to talk about the amazing story of ACDC is
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  Speaker 1: author Susan Messino, who wrote the book Let Them Be Rock,
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  Speaker 1: The Story of ACDC, originally released in two thousand and nine.
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  Speaker 1: The updated edition was released through Omnibus Press in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: She's also the author of twenty fifteen's ac DC FAQ
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  Speaker 1: All That's Left to Know about the World's true rock
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  Speaker 1: and roll Band. We talk about the band's storied history
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  Speaker 1: and find out what Susan thinks of the recent news
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  Speaker 1: ac DC announcing the band's first US tour in nearly
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  Speaker 1: a decade. Find a playlist of ACDC in this episode
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  Speaker 1: show notes. Welcome back to the podcast, Susan, how are you?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm great, Eric, Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Fifty years ago. Fall of nineteen seventy four, Bond Scott
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  Speaker 1: and ACDC joined forces hard to believe fifty years and
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  Speaker 1: as we know, they only got bigger as the years
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  Speaker 1: went on with Bond, culminated with nineteen seventy nine Is
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  Speaker 1: Highway to Hell. Brian Johnson steps in after the death
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  Speaker 1: of Bond in nineteen eighty. Back in Black Huge, one
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  Speaker 1: of the biggest selling albums in history. You have an
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  Speaker 1: interesting history with the band. Talk about how it was
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  Speaker 1: a chance assignment to see the band perform that began
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  Speaker 1: your journey with the great ACDC.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was trying to get my foot in the
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  Speaker 2: door at a local paper here in Madison called the
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  Speaker 2: mad City Music Sheet, and I was I was the
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  Speaker 2: only girl at the time, so it wasn't very popular
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  Speaker 2: for women to want to write about rock. So I just,
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  Speaker 2: you know, did small things for them. And on the
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  Speaker 2: afternoon of August sixteenth, nineteen seventy seven, the same day
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  Speaker 2: that Elvis died, I was driving by their offices and
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  Speaker 2: my intuition, which I call it the voice, told me
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  Speaker 2: pull over and get an assignment. And at first I
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  Speaker 2: just kind of blew it off because I thought, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: they're not going to give me any things. They haven't
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  Speaker 2: so far, and now I heard it again, pull over,
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  Speaker 2: pull over, and get an assignment. So I went in
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  Speaker 2: to the office and one of the editors was just
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  Speaker 2: hanging up the phone. His name is Gary Summers and
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  Speaker 2: actually he's on Antiques Road Show now. He does a
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  Speaker 2: lot of you know, rock memorabilia and all of that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, he had just hung the phone up and
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  Speaker 2: looked at me kind of like, what do you want?
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  Speaker 2: And I said, oh, you know, I was just here
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  Speaker 2: to see if there's anything I could help with, or
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  Speaker 2: you know, any bands that you needed to review or anything.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm up for anything. And he kind of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, shrugged his shoulders and he said, well, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I just got off the phone with Start eight, which
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  Speaker 2: was one of the major promoters here in Wisconsin at
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  Speaker 2: the time. There were two Start eight and Landmark, both
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  Speaker 2: out of Milwaukee. And he said, well, I just got
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  Speaker 2: off the phone with Start eight. They have a band
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  Speaker 2: downtown tonight at the Stone Hearth and they need to
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  Speaker 2: go for and he said, there's no pay. You probably
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  Speaker 2: can get a friend in for free, but they needge
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  Speaker 2: down there at four o'clock this afternoon and just you know,
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  Speaker 2: help out the promoter. And I was, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: I I sir, I couldn't wait. You know, I was
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  Speaker 2: like that I finally got something, and I know, and
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  Speaker 2: I little did I know what this was going to do,
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  Speaker 2: because because I had seen all the big bands throughout
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  Speaker 2: my high school years, you know, I'd seen Black Sabbath,
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  Speaker 2: Deep Purple, the Who Cream, I mean, everybody. And so
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  Speaker 2: as I was leaving, I turned around and I said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, by the way, what band is it? And
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  Speaker 2: he again he kind of said, I don't know. Some
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  Speaker 2: band out of Australia called ac DC. And I thought,
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  Speaker 2: and I'd never heard the words before, so I was like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: and thought nothing of it. They had no airplay even
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  Speaker 2: though this was their they had their fourth album out let,
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  Speaker 2: There Be Rock. The US was not giving them any airplay,
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  Speaker 2: and actually I think Rolling Stone kind of trashed the
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  Speaker 2: album if I remember right. So I had never heard
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  Speaker 2: of them. I had never heard a note. And I
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  Speaker 2: went down to the club and right away I was
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  Speaker 2: sent out to buy some blue nun wine for the
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  Speaker 2: lead singer. The band was out to dinner, so they
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  Speaker 2: were not there, and they had a three man road crew.
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  Speaker 2: It was three dollars to get in. I still have
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  Speaker 2: the poster or the fire for the show three dollars,
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  Speaker 2: and I had no idea, you know, what I was
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  Speaker 2: in for. So they had a little one page bio
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  Speaker 2: and they were not very pretty looking in these pictures.
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  Speaker 2: They looked a little and it said, you know, they
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  Speaker 2: had just come off a finally they got to the
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  Speaker 2: UK and they did a very successful tour over there,
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  Speaker 2: and then that got them into the US. So the
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  Speaker 2: bio mentioned how they had started brawls from one end
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  Speaker 2: of the UK to the other. And now I'm thinking, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, is this really what I want to be
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  Speaker 2: doing tonight. And so I hit it off with one
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  Speaker 2: of the roadies that were setting up the show, Barry Taylor.
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  Speaker 2: We're still friends to this day. But I had no
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  Speaker 2: idea what I was dealing with. And so but I was.
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  Speaker 2: I was intimidated, of course by their their bio and
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  Speaker 2: and their pictures. So I was The dressing room was
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  Speaker 2: in a loft above the bar, and I was up there,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, we had the beer and the soda
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  Speaker 2: and the cheese and the crackers and you know, all
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  Speaker 2: of that, and and I'm looking at everything. I'm making
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  Speaker 2: it all perfect, thinking, you know, I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: piss anybody off. Yeah, And so as I'm walking out
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  Speaker 2: of the room, I'm backing out as the band is
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  Speaker 2: coming back from dinner now, so they're coming in and Malcolm,
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  Speaker 2: who I didn't know was Malcolm yet, he came in first.
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  Speaker 2: He sat down on the couch facing me, and I
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  Speaker 2: was walking backing out, saying, you know, beer, there soda there.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to mix drink, come downstairs and get me.
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  Speaker 2: I'll get that for you. And this guy comes walking
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  Speaker 2: in with up and down his arms, his shaggy dark hair,
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  Speaker 2: and he comes right and he was about my size.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't much taller than me, but he comes right
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  Speaker 2: up shoulder to shoulder with me. He sticks his face
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  Speaker 2: in my face and he goes sit and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to argue with this guy. And I
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  Speaker 2: grab a chair and I slide it over and I
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  Speaker 2: sit down and I'm thinking, oh my god, you know
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  Speaker 2: what is this going to be like? And he goes
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  Speaker 2: across the room and he pours two glasses of blue
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  Speaker 2: on wine. He comes back to me, hands me a
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  Speaker 2: glass of wine and he says, Hi, I'm Bond Scott.
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  Speaker 2: You must be Sue. And then when I asked him,
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  Speaker 2: I was confused, I said, how do you know my name?
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  Speaker 2: And that's when Malcolm laughed and he said, oh, the
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  Speaker 2: promoter told us all about you. He said he was
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  Speaker 2: going to do any here. You're going to do anything
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  Speaker 2: we want you to do, and I'll you know, I'm speechless, basically,
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  Speaker 2: but I had still not heard a note of the
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  Speaker 2: band playing yet, and I hung out with them until
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  Speaker 2: it was time for them to go on stage, and
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  Speaker 2: I went out by the soundboard. I was no more
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  Speaker 2: than like maybe twenty five feet front of the band. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And the lights went down and they start, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the rhythm section starts live wire and spotlight comes on,
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  Speaker 2: hits bond, no shirt on, super tight jeans and I
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  Speaker 2: call it love at first scream yeah. And I literally
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  Speaker 2: when I heard them launching the live wire, the hair
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  Speaker 2: on my arms stood straight up. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The energy of that band live huh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, and it's there was only about seventy five people there,
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  Speaker 2: so it was pretty pretty intimate.
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  Speaker 1: Was there a local band that opened them.
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  Speaker 2: I think they were out of Chicago. They're called the Hounds. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: they opened for them, and I didn't even see them
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  Speaker 2: because I was up in the loft top into the band,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, hanging out with those.
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  Speaker 1: Guys seventy five people, yet they're performing like their seventy.
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  Speaker 3: Five thousand, right, Oh, totally.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of like Van Halen. I know we've I've
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  Speaker 1: talked to you about Van Halen. You met the guys
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  Speaker 1: in the band. It's that similar thing. It doesn't matter
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  Speaker 1: how many people you're playing in front of, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to bring it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you and they And the thing about it at
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  Speaker 2: that time, they played you know, Live Wire, the Jack,
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  Speaker 2: Dirty Deed's whole lot of Rosy, you know, problem Child,
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  Speaker 2: hell A in a bad place to be. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they had all these songs already.
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  Speaker 1: That would become eventual classics here in the US. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, after Highway to Hell, after Back in Black.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, at that time, a few people knew about
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  Speaker 1: him those songs.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and so Barry and I actually you know
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  Speaker 2: this as well, before computers and cell phones, back in
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  Speaker 2: the dark ages. And he asked me for my phone
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  Speaker 2: number in my address and that he said he'd keep
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  Speaker 2: in touch. Well, you know, I didn't think he would,
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  Speaker 2: but I gave him the info and he started sending
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  Speaker 2: me messages or calls or letters. Once a week for
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  Speaker 2: the next three years.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, which are in this book right here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's how I got to have close access
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  Speaker 2: to the band anytime that they played in this area,
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  Speaker 2: in the Wisconsin area where I lived. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get to the beginning of a CDC, let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about Angus and Malcolm. You mentioned Malcolm and of
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  Speaker 1: course Angus, the two brothers, two of eight children in
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  Speaker 1: the family and a musical family. Give us a brief
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  Speaker 1: look at the Young's pre ACDC.
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  Speaker 2: Oh. Yeah, I mean they had, you know, Alex, one
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  Speaker 2: of the older brothers, you know, had a band that
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  Speaker 2: he was in the UK and he got signed to
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  Speaker 2: a record label that was part of the Beatles, Apple Records.
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  Speaker 2: And then the older brother when they were you know,
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  Speaker 2: still all living in Australia at the time, George Young
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  Speaker 2: started you know, or was in the Easy Beats and
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  Speaker 2: they had you know, the big hit that is still
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  Speaker 2: you know heard on the radio today Friday on My
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  Speaker 2: Mind and they exploded. And so while Angus and Malcolm
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  Speaker 2: were still you know, growing up in the house, their
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  Speaker 2: older brother George was literally a pop star, so you know,
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  Speaker 2: and they always everybody you know played music or had
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  Speaker 2: music around you know, guitars and and access to all
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  Speaker 2: of that. So they they really grew into it.
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  Speaker 1: Were they in a few bands before?
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  Speaker 2: Malcolm was in a band called the Velvet Underground, which
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  Speaker 2: was not the not the lou Reed band, but he
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  Speaker 2: was in that. And then Angus was in two I
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  Speaker 2: believe they were called Tantrum and Kentucky. So they were
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  Speaker 2: both you know, playing in the area kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: And and then Malcolm decided to you know, start his
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  Speaker 2: own band, and he kind of had to convince Angus
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  Speaker 2: to be in the band. You know, he wanted him
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  Speaker 2: to play lead in the band, and so and they
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  Speaker 2: were Oh my god, I mean they were still teenagers
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  Speaker 2: at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Booked on Rock podcast will be back after this.
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  Speaker 2: Don't go away, gentlemen, we may need all of.
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  Speaker 1: You diehard ACDC fans know the name Dave Evans, but
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  Speaker 1: the passing fan may not even be aware. He was
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  Speaker 1: the first singer in the band, and you do cover
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  Speaker 1: that in the book Let There Be Rock. How did
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  Speaker 1: he end up getting the gig as a CDC lead singer?
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  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, it's been so long since I talked to Dave.
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  Speaker 2: I think he just answered an audition that they were
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  Speaker 2: auditioning and he answered an ad and he got the gig,
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  Speaker 2: and he you know, he did a good job, but
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  Speaker 2: he was at the time, they were still like experimenting,
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  Speaker 2: I guess with their look. So for a while, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like I mean, Angus went through a bunch of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Angus was like super ang you know, super a like Superman.
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  Speaker 2: He was in a in a gorilla suit at one time,
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  Speaker 2: and Malcolm was dressed like a pilot, you know, with
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  Speaker 2: the high boots and the scarf round his neck. And
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  Speaker 2: Dave was Dave Evans was more glam rock exactly. And
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  Speaker 2: so as they worked together, you know, then they they
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  Speaker 2: acquired you know, they had Mark Evans on bass and
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  Speaker 2: Phil Rudd which was a huge find for them, Phil
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  Speaker 2: Rudd on drums, and Phil Rudd actually is the only
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  Speaker 2: member of the band that is a true Australian that
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  Speaker 2: he was born in Australia. Interesting, Yeah, bon Angus and
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  Speaker 2: Malcolm were all born in Scotland and then they emigrated
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  Speaker 2: to Australia when they were kids at different times.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, I love the story. What you say is
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  Speaker 1: the most bizarre ACDC gig, which was a friend's wedding.
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  Speaker 1: This is when Dave Evans was in the Banditedale. They
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  Speaker 1: received an odd request from the father of the bride
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  Speaker 1: and Malcolm was able to come through last second. Do
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  Speaker 1: you remember this story from the book?
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  Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah, yeah, they asked for a song and
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  Speaker 2: Malcolm it didn't take Malcolm long to figure out how
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  Speaker 2: to play it, and they performed at you know, like
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  Speaker 2: a wedding reception and it just you know, I can't
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  Speaker 2: imagine seeing ACDC at a wedding reception, but I'd love
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  Speaker 2: to be there.
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  Speaker 1: And it was some obscure song because I think it
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  Speaker 1: was an older gentleman. So I was like, I can't remember.
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  Speaker 1: We could look forward to here. But yeah, they had
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  Speaker 1: some interesting gigs. But of course we know that Dave
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  Speaker 1: Evans didn't last long, so he's out of the band.
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  Speaker 1: Bon Scott. Let's get to Bond. And reading about Bond
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  Speaker 1: in the book, you see his image was really not
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  Speaker 1: an image at all, Like that was Bond, you know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: talk about his background. He came from a working class family,
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  Speaker 1: grew up in a tough place. He was a street fighter.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yes, yes, and he his dad was always playing
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  Speaker 2: drums in the like the Drum Corps. I can't remember
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  Speaker 2: the proper name for it. But this started back in
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  Speaker 2: Scotland and then continued into Australia when they moved and
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  Speaker 2: Bond was I think he was young. He was only
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  Speaker 2: like six or something I think when they first moved
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  Speaker 2: to Australia, but he would play with his dad, like
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  Speaker 2: when they would do a parade or you know, their
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  Speaker 2: playing out, Bond would follow his dad and and Bon
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  Speaker 2: actually started out as a drummer. So he the first
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  Speaker 2: span that he he started or he ended up in
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  Speaker 2: as he got older was the Valentines, which was another
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  Speaker 2: you know, very pop type band.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, red outfits and it was almost like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the fluffy shirts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like almost like a motown type of look exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where he met Vince Love love Grove.
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  Speaker 2: I think, sorry, I might be mispronouncing that. It's been
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  Speaker 2: a while, but yeah, Vince he was the leader of
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  Speaker 2: the Valentines, and he, you know, definitely loved Bond. He
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  Speaker 2: said some really funny quote about you know, how he was.
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  Speaker 2: He was cute, you know, and then cute went a
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  Speaker 2: long way in those days. So he sang with the
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  Speaker 2: Valentines and then that ended up breaking up, and then
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  Speaker 2: he joined a band called Fraternity, which was like like
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  Speaker 2: the band or you know, Grateful Dead type very music
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, very like folksy and you know, and and
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  Speaker 2: I think they all lived on a farm together, and
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  Speaker 2: you know they were kind of hippie, hippy ish, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Bonn was had his hair longer and all that. And
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  Speaker 2: and so that's when, which is crazy, Fraternity got to
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  Speaker 2: tour the UK. And this is you know, at the
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  Speaker 2: same time that Brian Johnson was in a band called Jordie.
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  Speaker 2: So when bon was in the UK, and I have
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  Speaker 2: to look it up, I don't remember the exact town
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  Speaker 2: it was in, but he saw Brian Johnson perform, which
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  Speaker 2: was how crazy is that? And Brian was having an
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  Speaker 2: appendix attack appendicitis, so he was like, you know, in
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  Speaker 2: pain in and he put all all he could into
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  Speaker 2: the performance to get through it. But Bond thought that
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  Speaker 2: this was like part of the act and he Bond
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  Speaker 2: was you know, super impressed with him, and I do
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  Speaker 2: I have read stories that they did meet and they
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  Speaker 2: did have some drinks together and stuff at some point.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if he saw him more than once,
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  Speaker 2: but he also saw Brian Carrie, Brian's guitarist, on his shoulders.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: That's where Bond got the idea to put Angus on
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: his shoulder.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Wow, okay, interesting.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then at some point after you know, Bon
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: ended up in a CDC. He said to them, you know,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: if you ever need to replace me, you have to
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: look into this guy named Brian Johnson, which once Bond passed,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: they didn't remember that. That's not how he got the audition.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: A fan, a fan in the United States actually after
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Bond passed, sent a cassette tape of Jordie to a
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: c d c's management, and that's how Brian Johnson got
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: the call to audition for the band. As they said, yeah,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: they actually had met.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: And the history of a CDC, it's kind of got
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: some myth some fact like Bond was was either Roadie
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: was he there? You know that that was the thing too,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: that is not not really.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Sure what I what I've read and and when I
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: did my research and everything. Is that Bon You know,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: he was in a very serious motorcycle accident when he
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: was in fraternity. It's amazing he lived through it because
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: he had a lot of injuries. Took him a very
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: long time to recover. And Vince, his friend Vince was
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: giving him odd jobs to you know, help him make
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: some money, things like that, and so he may have
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: driven the band around a little bit, you know, but
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: I haven't really confirmed that those stories. But I know
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: that Vince knew they you know, they wanted to get
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: rid of Dave Evans. Vince knew George Young. So Vince
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: and George were friends, and he found out that the
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: band needed a singer and that's when he told Bond.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: He said, you've got an audition for these guys. Well,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Bon was older than everybody in the band. And when
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: they first heard about how old he was, which is
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: in his late twenties. I mean, he wasn't that old
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: in those days. That was old, but they were, oh
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: yeah they were young. Yeah, no pun intended. But but
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: you know Bon heard that they thought that he was
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: too old, and he said, you know, I you know,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: I can rock the socks off of those guys. I mean,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: you know, they just need to give me a chance.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: And and so he had quite the attitude about about
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: them thinking he was too old. And of course, you know,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: he auditioned for the band and it was it was perfection.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they also he had the image they wanted.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well exactly, and it was him. You know, I
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: was going to say he had the tats, he had
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: the look, he had the attitude, you know. But what's funny,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: he's kind of portrayed her has been portrayed as this
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: really rough guy that got into a lot of fights
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: and and things like that. But maybe maybe you know,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: that may be true in earlier years in his life,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: but he was a very peaceful guy. I mean, he
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: would rather like break up a fight than be part
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: of a fight. So he was a lot, just a
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: lot more friendly than people kind of look at him
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: in those days.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: And I always think about he was a loyal friend.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: And actually around this time of year now, holidays, I
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: always think about that story about you would send Christmas
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: cars all his friends every year. He never forgot people
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: he knew, he never forgot about. That was really cool.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Bod on podcasts. We'll be back after this.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: We'll be back with the Magic to Homs for the
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Armada Rooms to our disco swing party after this short
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: break till then, don't you go change him.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: The chapter in the book, it's chapter four. It's a
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: perfect title. It's a long way to top. If you
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: want to rock and roll because that was the case
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: for ACDC. It was a lot. It wasn't like overnight success.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: You were mentioning how when they came to the US,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: people don't even know who they were, seventy five people
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: at a gig when they already had I don't know,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: handful of albums, right, you have the first album's High Voltage.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: This always gets confusing. There's the Australian release, there's a
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: US release, so it gets a little fuzzy here. But
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: High Voltage release Australia in seventy five, internationally in seventy six.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: TNT was an Australian released in seventy five. Dirty Deed's
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Done Dirt Cheap release in Australia in seventy six, not
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: until nineteen eighty one in the US. International the band
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: was working hard, I mean working hard on the road constantly.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: But I wonder why US record labels didn't see the
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: potential there. What was it that? What was what did
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: they want out of ACDs? Because you're talking about a bit.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: These songs are so catchy. I don't know how you
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: couldn't hear this and say, yeah, this is perfect to
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: get on the radio here in the States. But don't know.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Then the guys didn't like the label folks too much either, right,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, so why do you think they were so
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: late to the game with ACDC here in the States.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Well, when you think back about, like I said, I
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: saw so many bands before I saw ACDC, And to me,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: when I first saw ACDC, they sounded like no one
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: I had ever heard. So they definitely had their own
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: corner of the market there where there they weren't like
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: anybody else. And I know that I did uh several
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: interviews with the late Perry Cooper who worked for Atlantic Records,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: and he was a very big part of getting them
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: signed to the label. One of the things that that
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: the the record company was leary of was Angus's duck
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: walk was too much like Chuck Berry in their opinion.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Which he was a huge fan of.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: He was a huge fan of.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and and he does it so well. I mean,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: you know, but I know that Perry. They they got
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: they actually the label got a I don't know, I
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: can't remember the name of the thing, but it was
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: to play a video on and in those days, it
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: was kind of like a recording on a circular device
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: and you could see you know the band live, and
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: when they saw that, you know, Perry was like, these guys,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: We've got to give them a chance, you know, we
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: just have to we have to, like, you know, sign
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: these guys. And I know there are other people at
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Atlantic Records which I won't name, who took a lot
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: of credit for the fact that ACDC got signed to
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: the label, but Perry was a very big part of that.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Perry became very close friends with Bond and went on
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: a lot of tours with them and always shared a
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: room with Bond. So it was Perry that convinced the
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: label to take a chance on them.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he did all sorts of creative stuff to promote
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: the band. There's something in the book, the story about
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: one where Angus is miked up live is like a
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: radio broadcast, and so they had Angus miked up, so
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: he's literally doing a broadcast while he's on stage.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I think, right, yeah, yeah, they Yeah, they did so
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: many things. And one of the first cities that really
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: you know, the band took off in, if you will,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: was Jacksonville, Florida.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Okay, that became a.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Huge, you know city for them. But when I when
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I did the research for the book, when I first
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: wrote the book, when it came out in two thousand
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: and six, I literally broke their history down a week
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: at a time and talking about how hard they worked.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I went for a seven year period before I found
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: a break longer than two weeks.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, wow, So yeah, they were touring hard. I
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: thought there was There was a show the day on
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the Green Show in Oakland of seventy eight. I was.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I thought, maybe you're gonna say that was a that
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: was a big day. Oh yeah, Barry Taylor. You mentioned him,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: You were in contact with him, He wrote to you often,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and he's writing about at that period. He's telling you
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: about how they go on to ten thirty am, This
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: is with who else was there was it? This is with?
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Was van Halen part of that?
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Not? No?
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: I think ten and.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: A lot of big acts journey maybe a point being
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: they go on to ten thirty am, not the greatest slot,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: but seventy thousand people on their feet. So I was wondering,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: is this really when we start to see or at
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: least when Barry starts to feel like, yeah, this this
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: band's on the verge of breaking big. Is that?
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah? It definitely it, you know, because I met them
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: at the end of seventy seven. Seventy eight was a
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: very big year for them as far as, like, you know,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: getting noticed.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Power Age was the album which is, oh, that's the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: ACYC fans will a lot of them will say that's
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: their best album, which is really interesting, you know, because
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: you think Highway to Hell or Back and Black, but
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: that's the one.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I love that, that's your favorite. I love
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: every single song on that record. And what I like
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: about that record is that it because I had seen
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: them in bars and you know, small venues and then
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: you know, on their way up to stadiums. But Powerage
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: is gives you the sound that they really put off
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: the stage if you were seeing them live. It's it
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: has a rawness to it.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: It just doesn't have a huge hit single, but that's
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: the only thing, right. It's kind of like Montrose's album
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: where there's no huge single, but the you listen to
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: the whole thing from start to finish, it's amazing. Well, sorry,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: if you were talking, that was that was that's the
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: point where we're at here.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's And so by August of seventy eight they
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: were opening for Aerosmith, So that's when and they got more, uh,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: more tour buses and more roadies and uh, you know,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: things were really starting to look to take off. But
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: yet they still didn't have that hit song on the radio.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, power Age rock and Roll Damnation the only single
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: from that album according to Wikipedia.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: There's such great songs on there. I mean riff raff,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: you know, Oh my god, I mean Shooting next to
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: the Moon.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: What's Next to the Moon?
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Yep? I remember.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: I remember from Anthrax Scott Ian a podcast talk about
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: that was his favorite album. I think too, Yeah, What's
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Next to the Moon? Kicked in the Teeth, Sin City h.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's also it turned out to be Malcolm's
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: favorite album, and it's Keith Richards's favorite ACDC.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Oh really yeah, wow, they're.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: In good company sure.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: And then what was the one Wolfgang and Eddie Van
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Helen loved together? Might have been power Age that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: It was, I think it was.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so cool. Yeah, yeah, absolutely so. The Highway
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: to Hell album. That's nineteen seventy and that's when the
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: band blows up. You know, internationally, they're at the top
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: with the best of the game in rock and roll.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: October seventy nine, you saw the band play in Chicago
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: at the Aragon Ballroom, and you had a great visit
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: with the band on the tour bus and you talk
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: about in the book and then on the ride back
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: to Wisconsin you say you cried without really knowing why,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: but you look back on it years later and you
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: feel you may know why. Talk about that last visit
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: with Bond and the band.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I had seen them several times in nineteen
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: seventy eight, and that's where I got the iconic pictures
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: with them, which is, you know, to this day still
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: makes me laugh because we did you know, there is
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: the paper that I worked for was now the Emerald
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: City Chronicle, which was a different paper than what I
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: started out with, and we were very popular. We came
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: out every two weeks and we had, you know, everybody
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: on the cover. So when they opened for Aerosmith at
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Alpine Valley in East roy, Wisconsin, I believe it was
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: August third of nineteen seventy eight. I the photographer that
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I worked with, he always had me get into the
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: picture after he got his cover shots, and that's where
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: we got the shot of you know, Bonds had on
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: my shoulder and it's just it was so priceless, but
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: it was getting very exciting because you know, things were
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: really looking up, and then the whole thing. It's funny,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: a lot of people don't realize how many people lost
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: jobs over high Way to Hell. Okay, the first two
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: were the record because they didn't have a hit, you know,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: on on the radio. And then the record label was demanding,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: we've got to come up with something, so they did
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: not want them to do another album with George Young
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: and Harry Vanda, and they had only worked with them
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: up until that point.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: They co produced every album.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, they you know, and back in the day,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I mean George played bass, George played drums. Whenever they were,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: you know, missing a member, George filled in. George had
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: a lot to do with teaching them how to write songs.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: He was a huge part. And they had to let
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: them go, which was horrible for Angus and Malcolm to
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: have to do that. Yeah. Family, And then the record
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: label sent them down to Miami or yeah, I think
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: it was in Miami and to work with Eddie Kramer,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: the producer. Now Eddie did not they did not mesh
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: very well. At some point in this is like swearing
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: to Malcolm Eddie wanted them to add keyboards to some
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: of the songs. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, what
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: what you know? So the guys, they're so funny, they
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: decided to they they weren't they weren't having it. I
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: mean they it was not going well at all, and
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: this was Highway to Hell. The record label didn't want
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: to call it Highway to Hell. They had to fight
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: over that, and so Eddie Kramer, they were told. They
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: told Eddie they were taking a day off, so don't
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: come in. We're you know, we're skipping a day. So
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Eddie's not there, So angus Malcolm and Bond, who can
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: play drums. They go into the studio and do a
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: little demo of a couple of the songs, and they
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: get hold of Michael Browning, who was their manager at
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: the time. He was a really great guy. I mean,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: he helped them a lot, and he just so happened
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: to be trying to think where they were. He was
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: with Mutt Lang or in touch with Mutt Lange. And
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: they sent this demo tape to Michael and said, we're
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: not working with Eddie Kramer. Where this is not happening.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Find us some somebody else. That's where Mutt Lange came in.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: And Mutt Lang was not Mutt Lang the big producer
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: at this.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Time, right right, Well, I think he had I think
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: he had done some stuff, but I'm trying to think.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I know, you know, he did a lot with you know,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: bon Jovi and def Leppard and all of that.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So so he Michael, you know, uh played the
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: demo for for Mutt. Mutt was very you know interested
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: at the time, and so they got together and they
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: they recorded. But so we have George and Harry lose
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: their job, Eddie Kramer loses his job. Two guys at
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Atlantic Records that were shoving Eddie Kramer down their throats
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: they lost their jobs. And then after I don't know
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: exactly what the timing was, but Michael Browning was let go.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: So six people lost their jobs over the recording of
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Highway to Hell. And of course I was lucky enough,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: which is you know, talk about things in your life
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: that you just can't put a price on it. They
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: had started there if you want Blood, You Got It
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: tour in Madison, Wisconsin, where I lived at the time,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: and they had one date that I think it was
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: in London or something that got canceled. So the very
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: first date of that tour was here in Wisconsin, and
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: after the end of the show that night, we went
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: back to the Sheridan Hotel to Phil Rudd's room, and
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Phil Rudd always had like a big gum sound system,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: you know, big boombox type thing, and myself and a
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: couple of my friends were invited to his room to
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: have out after the show, you know, and have a
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: couple of beers, and he said, I've got the cassette
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: tape of the new album Highway to Hell. Do you
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: want to hear it?
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, so you heard it before anybody else.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I did, and it was Oh my god.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I mean I'm getting chills talking about it. I'm it's
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: hard to describe how cool it was because Mutt, you know,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: God bless you know, Harry and George, they did a
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: great job with the man. But when Mutt you know,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: got a hold the Highway to Hell, that was it.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: That was their sound, and it was so exciting, I mean, Phil,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: everybody was really really excited. And then of course when
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: it came out, they ended up I think two different
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: songs were in the on the charts right away, and
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: they got airplay what they were looking for all the
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: all this time.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: So that tape was it finished, mixed all that or
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: was it still in dem okay?
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, so ye was a finished product.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Whole thing. So you were listening to you listened to
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: the whole album.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Yep, Ye played the whole album.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Booked on rock podcasts. We'll be back after this. This
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: is heavy. There's that word again, heavy? Why are think
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with ears?
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Gravitational pull? Just to clarify, Mutt Lang, really this was
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: his big breakthrough. He did work with the Boomtown Rats
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: prior to that, Okay, but I don't see I mean
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Outlaws playing to Win nineteen seventy eight, Michael Stanley band,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Savoy Brown, So, I mean he was obviously he'd been
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: working and producing since seventy four to seventy five, but
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: really this was because then then he followed with Foreigner
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: and def Leppard and the Cars and et cetera, et cetera.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: And we should also know too, Eddie Kramer was huge
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: at that time. He did Hendrix, he did Kiss, he
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: did a solo album. So yeah, that was a pretty
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: pretty crazy time. February twentieth, Oh, actually, you know what,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: let's back up though, because you're driving home that night
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: and you said you yeah, so looking back on that,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: you felt like something was something wasn't you felt like
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: maybe this was the last time you were ever going
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: to see him?
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, I saw him in October, as you said,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: of seventy nine, at the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago, and
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: the band to me, they were burned out. They were
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: so tired, and I felt bad for them that night,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I really did. They were going back to you know,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: play some dates over the holidays, like they do, and
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: they went back to Australia for the holidays, and then
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I knew that they were going to London in January
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: to start a new album. So they had worked so
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: hard and I felt bad for them that night. I
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: felt like, my god, you know, I mean, these guys
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: have been how many years now, you know, with hardly
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: no breaks and all of that. And when I went
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: home that night, because I was down in Chicago so
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: it's a couple hour drive back to Madison, I cried
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: on the way home. And I didn't understand why. I
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: never I never felt that way before after seeing them.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I was always you know, happy and elated and you know,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: just excited, and I had just this horrible sadness come
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: over me, and I cried and I thought, you know,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: what's this with, where is this coming from? And then
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: it kind of hit me that, you know, that was
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: the last time that I saw Bond.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Three months later he passed. Yeah, he had married twentieth nineteen.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Eighty, Yeah, right after.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, tell us about that day. How you heard the
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: news of Bond's death and what your reaction was.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness, A tough time for you.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Well, my mom was dying of cancer and she was
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: in the hospital and on the weekends, when she felt
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: up to it, we could take her home for a
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: few days. So I was in Madison driving up to
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: the hospital to pick up my mom, and to me,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: everything with ACDC was like super exciting. You know, Highway
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: to Hell finally did it. You know, they're up at
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: the top now, this next album is super important and
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: everybody was so excited about it. So I when I
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: was driving, you know, they were playing a song off
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Highway to Hell, which I think I've blacked out of
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: like what the song was. But of course I'm blasting
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: the song in my car on the way to the
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: hospital and after the song ends, the DJ comes on
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: and says, and that's in tribute to the late bon
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Scott who was found dead in a car this morning
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: in London, England. And oh god, I just I just
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: got shivers just saying that. Needless to say, I had
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: to pull over. I couldn't drive. I burst into tears.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I found to phone booth and called my boyfriend at
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: the time and said, you know, turn on the radio,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: turn on the TV, whatever you have. You know, we
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: had no internet. I wanted confirmation is this, you know,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: I just didn't want to believe it was real. And
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: so when I got up to the hospital, my mom,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: you know, she had talked to Barry because I lived
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: with her for a while. She had talked to Barry,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: and you know, was very aware of the boys. When
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: they did their first TV appearance on Midnight special, they
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: did Sin City. I watched that with my mom and
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: it was really cute because you know, she only knew
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: of them, but when she saw that performance, she's like, oh,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: they are really good.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I know, and I said, I know, aren't they great?
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I think they're going to be really big. And so
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: when I heard that news. I went into my mom's
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: hospital room trying to, you know, act like there was
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: nothing wrong, and of course she picked up right away
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: that you know, I was really upset, and we we
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: cried together, and then six weeks later she died too.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: So wow, yeah, I mean, what a yeah, what a
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: terrible time did you get? When did you get to
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: talk to Barry after that? When was the next time
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: he got in touch with him?
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Probably just over letters and I because he what happened
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: was the end of seventy nine, early nineteen eighty he
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: left the band. Oh okay, he stopped working for them.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: So another person departs from the family.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, So he wasn't working with them anymore.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: So I know that, you know, we talked about it,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: but not anything like. I don't think he knew any
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: more than I did about what really happened.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: He probably found out at the same time he.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Did probably the same same way.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: In those days, it was through the radio or newspaper.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: It was there was no internet, No, there's no social media.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: So that news hit you a little late.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And it's just and you know, I'm there's
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: so many rumors that go around about his death and
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: it drives me crazy.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I was going to ask you about. You know,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: what's misunderstood about Bond? And I know there's a lot
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: of talk about how he died. There's a lot of
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: talk about did he write the lyrics to Back and Black?
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: M hm, So you know feelings on that.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: What what I know is that you know, he I
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: found out that he had, you know, liver issues from drinking,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: and he had not taken care of that. And the
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: night that he died, he had I think it was
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: seven seven whiskeyes in his stomach. And a lot of
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: people are not a lot of people. There's a particular
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: particular author that I don't even know what to say
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: about what he says about Bond because he's convinced that
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Bon died of a heroin overdose. Now I know where
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Bond's head was at when he was getting ready to
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: do Back in Black, and you know how excited he was.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Maybe he did, you know, maybe he did a line
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: of what he thought was coke and it wasn't. It
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: was heroin. That's a possibility, But I do not believe
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: with all of my being that he was using heroin
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: and he went out looking for heroin and he died
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: of an overdose and they covered it up. And you know,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: and this author that I know that you've spoken to,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: he wrote a whole book about it and his So
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: what's interesting to me is that, And he's blocked me
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: for this because I contacted him and I said, if
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: this is true, the four people that you spoke with,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: now two of them are not even alive anymore. The
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: four people that you spoke with apparently lied forty years ago. Then,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: so forty years ago, they all had a different story,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: and now forty years later they decide to come clean
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: and say, oh yeah, this is what happened to him.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: And I said, if that is true, then why did
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: you not contact Scott you know Scotland Yard or you know,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: the police in and report a murder investigation. There's no
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: statue of limitations on a murder investigation. Why didn't he
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: do that? He didn't do that because there's no proof,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: only people that decided to change their stories forty years later,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: which I don't understand why you would do that.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: The unfortunate reality is he was gone way too soon.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Thirty three thirty three, yeah, oh yeah, I mean, it's
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: a horrible tragedy, but it's it's very hurtful and annoying
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: to constantly hear about this, you know, huge cover up,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: and you know, and that he wrote the lyrics, and
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I know that they had the song titles. I know
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: that Bond, you know, actually worked out the opening to
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: have a drink on me on the drums because he
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: was in the studio. You know, he stopped into the
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: studio and played the drums and they were working on
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: that song, and then he was gone a couple days later.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: That was the last time Angus and Malcolm saw him.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: So you know how much he wrote of it. I
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: have no idea, you know, I go with Angus and
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Malcolm because I respect them, and I think that, you know,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: if they if he had written enough of it to
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: give him credit for it or something, that they would
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: have done that. I know that. You know. There's also
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: talk about that the Bond Scott family has always received
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: royalties for Back and Black, and that is totally Angus
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: and Malcolm. I mean, Bond never got to never got
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: to live the life of that type of money coming in.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: They made sure his family was taken care of.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Simple as that book on rock podcasts will be back
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: after this.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Never ever, ever, under any circumstances, say I'll be right back,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: because you won't be back.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I'm getting out of the berri you one one.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, I'll be right back. Susan Messino wrote the
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: book let There Be Rock The Story of ACDC, the
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: updated edition at least in twenty twenty through Omnibus Press,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: and she's also the author of twenty fifteen ac DC FAQ.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: All That's Left to Know about the World's true rock
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: and roll band. Also we should know too, rock and
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Roll Fantasy, My Life in Times with a CDC. Van
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Halen and Kiss That was two thousand and three. Yeah,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: I had john for that one. Yeah, Well, we know
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: how huge the band became with Brian Johnson the next album,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Back in Black. Did you have your doubts? Did you?
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Did you have your doubts that they would succeed without Bond?
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: What was your reaction when you first heard it?
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Totally when I heard, you know, I mean I knew
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: that they were going to continue. They had to. I mean,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: as I said, they worked their behinds off how many years?
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: And you know, when they went to the funeral for Bond,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Bond's parents, both of them encouraged Angus and Malcolm. You
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: have to keep going. You know, Bond would not want
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: you to quit because he's gone. So but of course,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: you know, anybody to replace Bond Scott, that's like, you know,
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: replace seeing the proverbial unicorn, you know, it's like, who
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: could do that? And I know it sounds kind of crazy.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: But when Back in Black was released in July of
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty, I didn't listen to it. No, I didn't
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: want to hear it.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Too hard for you.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Well, every time a song came on the radio, I'd
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: turn it off because I thought to myself, I'm not
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: going to hear this until I see him live, which
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: I did a couple of times on that tour, And
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: the first one was September fourteenth of nineteen eighty when
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: they came to Wisconsin. Madison, Wisconsin, played the Dane County Coliseum.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: I met Angus's new wife that night, Ellen, and he
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: introduced me to Brian, and Brian seemed very sweet and
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: very nice, but still I had no idea what it
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: was going to be like. And they went out on
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: stage and it was a sold out show. Lights are down,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, this bell starts ringing,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: and I, like, I said, I had not heard anything
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: from the Back and Black album, and so the bell
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: is chiming and they launched into Hell's Bells, and I
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: mean it was it was for me, it was like
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: I started to cry and I felt Bond was like
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: standing next to me, and I said to Bond, I
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: said to him, I said, they're going to be okay,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: aren't they? And he said, They're going to be just fine.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: So you needed to be convinced as to how they
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: were going to how they were a live That was important, Like,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: am I going to feel the same that I felt
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: when I first saw them with both exactly exactly? M M.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: It's still hard. I mean I love Don't get me wrong,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: I love Back and Black, but it's still a hard
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: album to listen to for me because they I believe
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: to this day that I can hear their pain. I
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: can hear how much pain they were in when they
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: recorded that, and that's why it's such a phenomenal. It's
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: not just the songs, the energy and the love and
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: the loss. You can hear it, at least I can.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Book on rock podcasts. We'll be back after this. Can
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: we go now? Please people. A good plan today is
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: better than the perfect plan tomorrow. What are some of
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: your favorite eighties era a CDC albums post Back in.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Black probably you know for those about to.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Rock course, yeah, and uh.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: And then you know they were kind of like Fly
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: on the Wall and Flick of the Switch and you know,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: blow up your Video. You know, I went and solid
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: them on that tour.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: To blow up your video as well, because that's like
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: eighties production, you know. But I yeah, maybe it's just
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: because of my age, but I I like some of
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: the stuff on those albums. I mean, I oh sure,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I Flick of the Switch is the opposite where they
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: really wanted to get raw and nast on that. You know,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: it's like they just turned hit record and play. What
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: else was it?
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: But during what's said about it in the eighties is
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: that Bond Scott's death took its toll on everyone in
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: the band. And that's where you know, Phil Rudd, you know,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: ended up having problems with with drugs and was let
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: go of the band from the band I Believe in
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: eighty three, and.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Then Simon was the drummer maybe on another guy that
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: stepped into I know with Razor's Edge it was the
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: drummer from the firm.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, Chris Slade.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: But they had they had Simon Wright for I think
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: a good seven years, right, so, and but then Malcolm
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: on the Blow Up Your Video tour the night that
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: I saw them, Stevie was playing for Malcolm because had
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: to quit drinking.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Now that's interesting because then Stevie now a current member
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: of the band. But that's like a little bit of
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: trivia there, like, yeah, he replaced Malcolm before that because
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Malcolm was going through his struggles with alcohol. That's the
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: I think that's he was. Well maybe that answers the
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: question why was Razor's Edge so successful? But Malcolm was
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: back on his game.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh god, right, so he's ready to go, you know.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: And nothing against Simon Wright, but I have a bit
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: of a giggle as I researched that period of time
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: when Malcolm was out, you know, after he got out
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: of rehab, he finally got to go see ACDC from
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: the audience, which he'd never done before, and his reaction was,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: we need a different drummer. And that's when you know,
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: by the time they got to Razor's Edge, that's where
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Chris Slade comes in because Malcolm decided they needed somebody different.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: And then Malcolm and Angus or maybe just Malcolm doing
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: the lyrics now at this point. Yes, And there's a
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: great story about Thunderstruck. I always love this story. I
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: have the book still. It's called Behind the Boards and
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: the story about I feel bad. I can't remember the
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: author's name now, but he's he's talking to all the
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: engineers and people that were part of those albums. And
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: you're talking about Angus doing that whole guitar part on Thunderstruck.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: It's one take. I mean there's one to and he
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: had a cigarette, he lit up, the cigarette started and
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: he was so focused that the cigarette but was like
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: just kind of burning down, you know, like you see
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: the ashes. He wouldn't flinch Wood movies, just that the
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: engineer said, all I had to do was fade down
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: during the verses, pull it back up. So what you're hearing,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: he's telling you that that's not cut, that's no splicing,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: there's no studio met that's just Angus one take. That's still.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: What I did read though, is that he taped some
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: of the strings to not make a sound when he
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: did that. Yeah, when he recorded it. Yeah, so, but yeah,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: when when they came back with Razor's Edge, I was
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: so happy for them. I mean I was just over
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: the moon.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: You saw the bandit right, tell me about that. You
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: got to see them, and then that's when you realize like, wow,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: this is a big production.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, there's it's so funny. As I always say,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: like the night that I saw him at the Stone Hearth,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: they gave the same show as they give today. They
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: just didn't have all the toys. So now they have,
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: you know, the staging and the lighting, and you know,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: they grew into this huge production. And when they came
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: back to Madison, to the Dane County Coliseum, it was December,
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: I want to say, December of nineteen ninety and they
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: were reintroduced to a new generation of fans through Beavis
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: and butt Heead on MTV.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: YEP.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: So when I saw them that night when they did everything,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: I mean Razor's Edge, you know, Thunderstruck, you know, money Talks,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: I mean it just.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Are you ready wow? Another great one?
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean that I was so happy for them.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: And that night actually I got to you know, talk
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: to Angus and Malcolm and I had brought them. Now
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: this is how many years later, seventy eight to nineteen ninety,
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: so twelve years later, I had copies of the pictures
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: of us together from the night they opened for Aerosmith,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: and I gave them some copies of those pictures, and
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: then I had them autographed the back of mine. And
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: I'll never forget when Angus looked at those pictures, he
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: got tears in his eyes, and he looked at me
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: and he said, Bond looked great, then, didn't he sue?
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: And I said, Bond was at his peak then, Angus,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: he was at his best. And every time we see
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: each other, we always took Bonn is always brought up.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Bonn is never far away. He's always there, which is
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: super cool.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Booked on rock podcasts, We'll be back after this. They right,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: your book ends around twenty twenty. Wasn't long after the
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: updated version that we got Power Up November twenty twenty.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: They had overcome Brian Johnson losing his voice, Malcolm Young
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: sadly passing. They not only return with an album, but
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: a really good album. I mean, Power Up is it's
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: like all right, this this, I mean, they won't stop.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: You know, if you had had a chapter in the
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: book on that album, I'm curious as to what you
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: would have had to say about it, you know, number one,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: were you surprised that it came out? And two what
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: did you think of it?
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: Well? I knew that they had had the album for
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: they were holding on to it and we had, you know,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: were hit with the pandemic. And they released it finally,
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: I believe in November of twenty twenty. And I on
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: my Facebook page, I have a lot of followers that
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: are a CDC fans, and I was begging the band
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: online release it. We need it. The pandemic. Everybody's miserable,
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: and so I knew that they had it, and I
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: was very happy when they released it, and you know,
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: the dedication to Malcolm and I. You know, you can
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: feel Malcolm's spirit in that album, and you know, they
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: still have so many good songs, and I still think
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: they have.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: More, you do, you know?
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I don't know if they'll you know,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: record another album or not, but now.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: We're songs that Malcolm wrote that are still there.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Could be. Yeah, that's kind of what it sounds like
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: to me that they still have that. But I was
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: just so happy for them, and yeah, I was. I
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: was frustrated because I knew that the the album was
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: going to come out while I was updating the book,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: but I didn't know the title of.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: The Yeah, so there was a deadline, right, did you
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: have deadline?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I had a deadline. And and so I titled
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: the last chapter twenty one gun Salute, because I you know,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: I was trying to think of, like, god, what what
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: title would they use for this one? But but yeah,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: I'm so proud and and so, you know, just in
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: awe of their talent. I mean knowing for me knowing them,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: getting to know Malcolm, and getting to know Angus and
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Brian and Bond and and you know, Cliff and Phil.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: They're all geniuses, and and to me it's been just
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: a lifetime honor to get that close to someone that talented,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: and especially Malcolm, I mean, he was so funny. I
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: mean he was the boss. He was Yeah, he was
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: the boss. He called the shots. And you would never
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: be able to tell that if you were around him.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: You know, he was super laid back, very you know,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: he was chatty, but he was soft spoken. He didn't
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: do a lot of interviews.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: He liked Angus being the showman. Like, yes, yes, you're saying,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: I'll be back here.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: And one of my favorite quotes from Malcolm is someone
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: asked him one time, They said, how do you feel
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: about your brother being you know, out in front, you know,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: the focal point of the band, and you know he's
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: always doing all the interviews. And Malcolm just simply said,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: if he was getting paid more than me, had bothered me.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: You know, it's rare that brothers get along like brothers
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: in a band, because we know, like the Robinson brothers,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Black Crows, they the Davies brothers with the Kinks. So
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: there's only really two instances. And I keep bringing him up.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: But Eddie and Alex they had a special bond. They
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: fought like crazy, but they loved each other. But Malcolm
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: and Angus did they ever but heads were they or
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: were they just they seemed like.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I know that they did back in
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: the day. I've read, you know, some things about their
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: you know, their their scuffles, but.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Like clash, you know, not like hey this is my band,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: it's my band kind of thing.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think that there was, you know, I
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: mean Malcolm was the older brother, of course, by a
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: couple of years. But they had to me. They had
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: so much respect for each other, I think, and they
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: they kind of, you know, knew how special the other
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: one was. And you'll never you know, God bless Stevie,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: but you'll never see two people play like Malcolm and
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Angus did the way that they played.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Together, right.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: And I was gonna say, you talk about brilliant that
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: rhythm section underrated, I would say, I mean, although you
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: hear every now and then musicians talk about how bad
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: asked that rhythm section entight. You said, when Phil red
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: come Phil Rudd comes back, It's like, okay, yeah, this
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: is there's something about it. Even though it's it's a
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: straight ahead beat. It's not like it's jazz work here.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: We're not doing all those you know, time changes and
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: all that. But it's so tight. It's like super tight.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: And so you know, and you mentioned Cliff Cliff Williams.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: We got to mention bass and then Phil Rudd, Angus
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: and Malcolm just the tightest rhythm section ever and it's
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: just so infectious those songs. That's why I think I
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: could listen to pretty much any any CDC album, pretty
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: much any song, and I'm locked in. But you know,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: it's there. There are they are two different eras. I mean,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: I know there's a different style there with Brian and Bond,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: but it's still at the root of it is that
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: rhythm section. Man, it's just undeniable.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Well to me, I think that they, like Malcolm, Phil
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: and Cliff were some of the greatest rhythm sections in
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: rock and roll ever.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely so. Cliff is retired, right he came out
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: just to do the album. So right now this tour,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: it's Stevie Young, It's it's Phil right on drums, I'm assuming.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: Is he, uh the drummer, So there's a drummer for
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: the tour.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Different drummer and a different bass player.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: How about that? Okay, yeah, so yeah, because I'm just
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: trying to find who the official the current lineup is.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: But we know we got Brian, we know he got
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: Angus out there, we know we got Stevie Young, So
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: I'm curious as to who's on drums.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: I know I should have that in front of me,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: and I don't.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Chris Slade maybe let's see.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: No, No, it's uh had somebody he played with Jane's addiction.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Oh oh Jesus.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you want to look it? Up.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to look it up here.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: And I should know our names. I should have their names.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: I should know if we're talking about the original drummer
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: we're talking about. Jeez, isn't this bad? We're losing our
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: memories here? Where is it here? Jane's Addiction drummer? Yeah, because,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: as we know, anybody in Jane's Addiction does not have
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: a gig these days because because of the fallout on
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: stage with Perry Farrell Dave.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: But I'm trying to look it up to.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: Right, Jane's Addiction drummer would.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: Be okay, Matt Log.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, So not Stephen Perkins, because Stephen Perkins is
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: the oh he was.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: Like the original. Yeah yeah, so so Matt Log and
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Chris Cheney is on bass.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Wow, okay Matt.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: So So one of them played for Jane or Jane's Addiction.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well he made well. Jane's Addiction had some varying
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: lineups too, is it Matt Lang L A N G?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: Yeakay, okay, So yeah, I know they're coming here in
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: I'm on the East Coast, New England. So they're coming
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: to what do they call Gillette Stadium? I want to
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: say Foxborough Jillette Stadium, and I mean I want, I
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: really want to go. It's like decent seats, maybe six
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: seven hundred, you know, and anything less than that I'm
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: going to be up in the nosebleeds and I have
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: a tremendous fear of heights. But it's May the fifth.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Do you want to Are they coming near you?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: Do? You know? The closest they're coming is Soldier Field
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: in Chicago on I think it's May twenty fourth.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Are you thinking about going?
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: And I'd like to? Yeah, yeah, I hope I can
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: get tickets. I usually get tickets, but I never know
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: until there are a couple of weeks out from that date. Yep,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: you know, because they have you know, it's so much
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: to deal with, So I won't know. If they're like
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: six hundred dollars tickets, I probably won't be doing that.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: They are, Yeah, they're they're pricey, Yeah they're probably. But
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: I don't like watching clips on YouTube because it doesn't
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: do a justice. Right, you got to be there live.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: I'll just finish with this. Then, if you had a
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: song that the band hasn't played in a while, or
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: maybe never played, that you want to see them play
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: what would it be? Something off of Power Age?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I was yeah, down Payment Blues. Yeah I
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: have seen them do that live, Okay, but it's been
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: a long time that or like riff Raff. That would
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: be awesome to see them do that one.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: That'd be cool if they did, like a lot of bands,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: play a whole album.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: Oh I know that was done that God, that would
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: be so cool. They have so many songs to pick from. Yeah,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: it's got to be, you know, quite the job to decide,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: you know, what they're actually gonna play.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: You got to include like five gimmeas like, you have
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: to do the Highway to Hell, you have to do
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Back in Black, you have to do shook Me all
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: day long. So yeah, then you're left with, Okay, what
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: are we gonna do? I'll tell you one song from
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Razor's Edge that I always loved, Fire Your Guns.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's a good one.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be cool.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: And also what they did for a movie that you know,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: you don't hear it much as Big Guns.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: I love that song.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: That's a great song.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: That was off of Yeah, what was the a is
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Arnold Swartzenegger.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Film Maximum Overdrive?
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: No, Maxwell, I would have been who made who oh yeah, okay.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: That was the last last Action Hero I think with.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, with Arnold, Yeah, because Arnold. They did a
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: video with Arnold and Arnold Arnold's addresses up his angus.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Though those are great songs, there
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: were songs that kind of get forgotten throughout, like the
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: nineties when they had the album produced by was the
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: one in the nineties Heart not hard as a rock?
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Uh oh, ball Breaker, ball Breaker, Yeah, which has.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: Good stuff on there too.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they didn't seem to enjoy I mean they
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: they have respect for h the Rick Rubin who produced it,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: but it just they didn't. It didn't didn't have that
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: chemistry there. But heard as a rock cover, you know,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: all Hail Caesar with a singles, but it's the here's
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: another one. I love ball Breaker, the title, the title track. Yeah,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: I love that. Uh. And I got to what I
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: first started in radio, I at least had the opportunity
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: to say I could play a new a CDC song,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: and I did that with Safe in New York City.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: I got to play that was off of.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: Stiff Upper Lip.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: Stiff Upper Lip. So we were playing stuff off of that,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: which was so cool, which is not there isn't to
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: me not a bad album. But anyway, well we'll wrap
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: this up. So let there be rock the story of
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: a CDC that can be found where whatever books are sold.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: So that's out there, a c DC FAQ. All that's
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: left to know about the world's true rock and roll band.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: That's out there everywhere, right, people can find that.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep. All my books are on Amazon and in
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: your website also.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Susanmosino dot com. Yes, okay, anything else you want
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: to let fans know about Susan before we let you go.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: I just you know, I hope everybody gets that wants
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: to see him gets to see them. And right now
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: we only have thirteen dates in the US, and I'm
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: hoping to see more things.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: Cost Yeah, Susan, thanks so much for coming back on
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: the podcast.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, Eric, thanks for having me.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: That's it. It's in the books.