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Chaos in Paradise · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: It's week six of Bachelor in Paradise. Ashley is here
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Speaker 2: with us to break down this week's chaotic I'll call
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Speaker 2: it confusing.
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Speaker 3: We're going with the confusing theme again. Where we said
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Speaker 3: confusing last week was like, it's.
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Speaker 2: Still confused, like this is. But this is confusing to
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Speaker 2: me in the sense it felt like a whirlwind of
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Speaker 2: craziness that I could not I had to draw a
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Speaker 2: chart before this episode to figure out who's still with
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Speaker 2: who and why they're with each other, because it feels
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Speaker 2: like nobody's back together anymore.
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Speaker 3: Well, Jared and I on our recap last week, we're
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Speaker 3: saying that, like, none of these super are running up together.
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Speaker 3: Like I've never watched this season and been like, okay,
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Speaker 3: but nobody here is getting married.
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Speaker 2: Going into this week, I really thought that we could
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Speaker 2: have some surprise engagements.
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Speaker 3: I thought, oh, like Eliza and Aaron. That's the only
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Speaker 3: one I thought.
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Speaker 2: I actually thought that Rachel and Braden might not get engaged,
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Speaker 2: but I thought they would be dating.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. I'm pretty surprised at his surprise moving fast, and.
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Speaker 2: I really thought Blake and Jess would come out of
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Speaker 2: this thing on top like that. We hadn't seen a
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Speaker 2: lot from that.
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Speaker 3: I'm fading out, especially after last week.
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Speaker 2: But how do we know that because we don't see anything,
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Speaker 2: Like we kind of see they get it. There's a confrontation.
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Speaker 3: We knew that because because she basically said she now
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Speaker 3: she is confused. Jess is the most confused. She's like, hey, like,
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Speaker 3: I think I don't know that I'm sold on this, Okay.
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Speaker 3: She tells him basically like in so little words, I
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Speaker 3: want to sort of date other people, and then in
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Speaker 3: this episode he decides to do that because she told
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Speaker 3: him that they should, and then she was like very
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Speaker 3: sad and annoyed.
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Speaker 2: Bryet, Yeah, she I think Jess as a catch. I
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Speaker 2: personally watched this and I'm like, that is somebody that
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Speaker 2: with the right guy on this beach. I could see
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Speaker 2: her getting engaged from this because it's too young, I think,
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Speaker 2: is it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think she's not ready. She doesn't know, she
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Speaker 3: doesn't know what she wants because she and then she
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Speaker 3: also said something in this episode that made me be
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Speaker 3: like what she said like nothing's going my way here,
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Speaker 3: and I'm like, Jess, what are you talking about? You're
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Speaker 3: with Blake the entire time, and then last night you
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Speaker 3: said that maybe you should explore other options and what's
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Speaker 3: not going your way.
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Speaker 2: True, that's a good point. Yeah, well, we have a
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Speaker 2: lot to talk about. I think the main thing when
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Speaker 2: I say confusing, and maybe that's just that, you know,
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Speaker 2: the consensus for this whole season is it feels like
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Speaker 2: a whirlwind and it's confusing to me because we don't
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Speaker 2: have any couples that at this point were like, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I'm confident that they're going to be together at end
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Speaker 2: of this This is going to be a cool love story.
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Speaker 2: And we're getting farther and farther along in the season.
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Speaker 2: We're at week six, Like, at this point, it's rare.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I remember a season where there's
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Speaker 2: not one really strong couple. Now, to set the stage
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Speaker 2: at the beginning of this episode, the couples that exist
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Speaker 2: are Eliza and Aaron b We have Braden and Rachel.
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Speaker 2: We have Tyler and Mercedes. We have Tanner and Kat,
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Speaker 2: we have Jess and Blake.
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Speaker 3: Tanner and Kat are a little up in the air,
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Speaker 3: as he went.
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Speaker 2: The closest thing to a couple that we have. We
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Speaker 2: have Olivia and Tyler and is that it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, John Henry and Olivia, John Henry
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Speaker 3: and Olivia.
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Speaker 2: Who's Tyler with Mercedes? That's right, Mercedes. Yeah, okay, so
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Speaker 2: we got them all now, we got them all paired
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Speaker 2: up here right. The episode starts with some teasers charities
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Speaker 2: arriving at the beach. We really don't know why at
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Speaker 2: this point in the episode. And uh, there's distance between
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Speaker 2: Blake and Jess obviously because theast episode's conversation now it
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Speaker 2: comes off at the beginning of this episode to me,
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Speaker 2: and it's kind of the cat show through this whole episode.
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Speaker 3: The entire season is mostly the cat show. She is
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Speaker 3: a really good reality TV character. She is a nut.
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Speaker 2: I mean, what do you what are you getting at
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Speaker 2: a cat?
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Speaker 1: Like?
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Speaker 2: What I'm understanding is cat she said it. I guess
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Speaker 2: I can only go off of the words that she says.
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Speaker 2: She feels like the guys that she's dated in a
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Speaker 2: lot of ways are below her, right, she said, Tanner
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Speaker 2: like is below her, like she is. You know, he
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Speaker 2: can't break up with her. She has to break up
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Speaker 2: with him, right. She also had you know, has kind
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Speaker 2: of jumped around a little bit, as most do in
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Speaker 2: Paradise and now she sets her eyes on John Henry.
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Speaker 2: It's I guess what I'm trying to understand, and you
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Speaker 2: would maybe have a better perspective in Paradise during week six.
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Speaker 2: She's obviously attractive.
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Speaker 3: Yes, she's extremely gorgeous.
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Speaker 2: But at this point the guys have seen.
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Speaker 3: But the guys, yep, I know what you really did.
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Speaker 2: Like, the guys have seen that she is volatile and
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Speaker 2: can definitely like make a dude cry pretty fast, but
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Speaker 2: yet they still are finding interest in her.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I think the only reason that John
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Speaker 3: Henry is entertaining her in this episode is because he
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Speaker 3: thinks she's hot and he hasn't been there the whole time.
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Speaker 3: And I actually still think he likes Olivia Moore and
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Speaker 3: let's talk about their conversation. Initially, Tanner comes back from
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Speaker 3: his date with Davilla Davia Davia the day earlier, but
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Speaker 3: like they, he doesn't speak to Cat. So in this
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Speaker 3: episode he speaks to Cat and Legit says to her,
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Speaker 3: I don't think our personalities are compatible, because he sees
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Speaker 3: that she is fiery and a little scary, totally intense.
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Speaker 3: Is the anti she has, like this personality that really
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Speaker 3: puts men off in my personal perspective, but not also
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Speaker 3: saying that, like I've been there, because like I would
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Speaker 3: like to think of like myself in paradise, like walking
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Speaker 3: down those stairs, like hopefully somebody would want to go
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Speaker 3: on a date with me, but most guys didn't because
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Speaker 3: my reputation personality wise preceded me.
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Speaker 2: So are you saying that you think she walked down
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Speaker 2: to the beach thing saying most guys are going to
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Speaker 2: want to take me on a date, like they should
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Speaker 2: want to take me on a date.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that she's like confident and like feels Yes,
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Speaker 3: I feel like she does think she's a catch, and
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Speaker 3: she just is very intense for these guys to really
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Speaker 3: want to get involved.
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Speaker 2: I think, Well, and I wonder I'm curious kind of
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Speaker 2: how the other women are feeling, because there's a scene
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Speaker 2: here where they're all kind of on the daybed and
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Speaker 2: kat is talking about Tanner and Dobby is there on
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Speaker 2: the daybed as well, and she's just kind of bashing
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Speaker 2: Tanner and saying how she's above him, and you know,
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Speaker 2: Dovey's in a weird place because she just got there.
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Speaker 2: She probably doesn't have the depth of friendships that these
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Speaker 2: other women have and she's just kind of having to
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Speaker 2: take it. We really don't see a reaction out of her.
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Speaker 3: I think she just didn't want to get involved with
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Speaker 3: Cat's drama. She is the most dramatic person.
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Speaker 2: It is feeling. I just didn't expect to set a Cat.
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Speaker 2: I guess this is what my whole point is. I
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Speaker 2: didn't expect Cat to be this way because during her
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Speaker 2: time on The Bachelorette, I remember her.
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Speaker 3: Being so she was way more subdued.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember her being in my top two most
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Speaker 2: of the season. Yes, until she wasn't. In this episode,
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Speaker 2: she is. She is fiery, and she is out to
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Speaker 2: go after the things that she wants. Right.
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Speaker 3: The Tanner thing is so selfish for sure, or self centered?
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Speaker 3: She is self centered. I somebody's throwing around the narcissist word.
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Speaker 3: I don't like to throw on that.
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Speaker 2: She's just definitely out like there is no there's no
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Speaker 2: consideration the empathy for the situation that is that is
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Speaker 2: around her now. It is interesting me, outside of maybe
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Speaker 2: how we're seeing her being shown, it is interesting me
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Speaker 2: that Olivia continues to be the one that is caught
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Speaker 2: up when somebody else wants somebody else's man, right, Like
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Speaker 2: when we saw this during the very beginning.
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Speaker 3: Yeah it was Kylie. She was going up against with
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Speaker 3: Kylie Thott. Who would have thought, I like forgot because like,
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Speaker 3: look at Kylie right now, she's so settled.
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Speaker 2: I guess Kylie Naven is the relationship we never mentioned
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Speaker 2: because we don't see much of them, and they seem
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Speaker 2: like really good and solid.
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Speaker 3: I read somewhere that he made some sort of snip
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Speaker 3: on social media alluding to the fact that he's annoyed
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Speaker 3: at the fact that they have very little screen time.
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Speaker 2: Well sorry, but to be honest, so Cat to calm
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Speaker 2: down and you'll get some screen time.
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Speaker 3: You guys seem pretty like you yeah, pretty together, but
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Speaker 3: you're a little boring.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, every good couple in Paradise never gets shown.
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Speaker 2: I know, it happens every season until like the last
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Speaker 2: week and we're like, oh, yeah, they're still there and
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Speaker 2: they're still together, and maybe they'll be happy one day.
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Speaker 2: But I mean, it's not a big deal TV.
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Speaker 3: That's just not TV.
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Speaker 2: It's not TV. You can only show people like having
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Speaker 2: good conversation and making out so many times until they're
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Speaker 2: still on the couch hav a good conversation and making out. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it is interesting me that Olivia continues to get kind
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Speaker 2: of thrown into a mess. Yeah, and Olivia is your girl, Well,
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Speaker 2: yeah she did. She was a little mean this episode.
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Speaker 2: For me, I up until this point, I think she
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Speaker 2: was funny and like had a good good a good
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Speaker 2: way of protecting and kind of like hiding her own
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Speaker 2: sadness and emotion by kind of being funny. She got
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Speaker 2: a little bit too personal with Kat during some of
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Speaker 2: those ims. For me, it felt it felt like, hey,
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Speaker 2: now I'm starting to see maybe, like that a little
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Speaker 2: bit of the mean girl behavior that I never had
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Speaker 2: seen before, where I always saw she was just kind
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Speaker 2: of like protecting herself by being funny. But I still
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Speaker 2: I still want I mean, I still want Olivia to
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Speaker 2: be happy. And this John Henry relationship is is funny
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Speaker 2: to me because yeah, John Henry is everything Olivia says.
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Speaker 2: He is right, he is sweet, he's good looking. I
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Speaker 2: don't think he has any clue how much he could
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Speaker 2: get wrapped up into a love triangle and get spit
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Speaker 2: out on the other end and just get destroyed. Like
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Speaker 2: I think he is a genuinely good dude who doesn't
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Speaker 2: quite understand.
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Speaker 3: He's pretty aloof. Yes, yeah, he's I also think that
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Speaker 3: he like doesn't really care that much thenk that's why
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Speaker 3: he is a loof. I don't think he's like imagining
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Speaker 3: himself getting married from this experiment.
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Speaker 2: And that's fine, but I do think he is. He's
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Speaker 2: he's treading dangerous water right now, because how this could
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Speaker 2: play out for him actually is if this goes poorly
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Speaker 2: for John Henry, and it will, it's there's too much
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Speaker 2: going on for not to maybe he ends up with
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Speaker 2: Olivia Kat goes home, and then maybe I could see
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Speaker 2: the water settling. But if this goes poorly and he
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Speaker 2: keeps like putting one toe in Cat's water and a
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Speaker 2: whole foot in Olivia's and trying to figure out which
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Speaker 2: one he wants, he's gonna have Olivian Cat coming at him.
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Speaker 3: I know, a very scary situation right now.
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Speaker 2: That is the scariest situation I can imagine, because those
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Speaker 2: two yelling at me like I would be crushed. They
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Speaker 2: could use words and use say things. I'd be like,
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Speaker 2: I have no clue what you're talking about. I'm so confused.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm right or wrong or if
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know where I stand in all this,
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Speaker 2: but I just want to go home because this is
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Speaker 2: so scary.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no one, and those two are like loud. They
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Speaker 3: don't just say angry things, they like scream them.
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Speaker 2: And I think the reason that it would intimidate me
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Speaker 2: is because they both Kat with braydon not as much.
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Speaker 2: But she said a lot of things. Now they might
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Speaker 2: not have made sense, but she said a lot of
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Speaker 2: things very quickly, and she was very confident in how
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Speaker 2: she said them, even if they weren't true or weren't
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Speaker 2: making sense. She says, I'm so confident that you're, like,
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Speaker 2: I gotta believe you. Olivia, I think is just so quick,
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Speaker 2: like quick witted, yeah, and so good at like being
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Speaker 2: quick witted, that I would just be like lost in
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Speaker 2: her intelligence and her ability just to make me feel
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Speaker 2: so small. Yes, yes, that's that would be this thing
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Speaker 2: that would scare me the most. Now, so he is
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Speaker 2: John Henry sits in a place where about mid part
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Speaker 2: of this episode, we start to see Kat come after him,
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Speaker 2: We start to see him have an interesting cat. We
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Speaker 2: see Olivia's reaction to this. We can pause that now
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Speaker 2: because Genevieve shows back up to the or shows up
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Speaker 2: to the beach for the first time. I don't remember
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Speaker 2: Genevieve from Zach season, but she is like beautiful and
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Speaker 2: she I know. She says she's like lacking some confidence.
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Speaker 2: She has our time making eyes attack, but like, I
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Speaker 2: don't see any of that. I see a confident person
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Speaker 2: coming down to the beach. And I didn't necessarily sincessarily
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Speaker 2: see the Blake connection.
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Speaker 3: He didn't feel like any passion, but they didn't feel
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Speaker 3: like a romance beginning, okay, because yeah, I think I
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Speaker 3: think I feel it again. Don't feel like this long
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Speaker 3: term like love romance, but I do think it's what
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Speaker 3: Blake needs, somebody who is obviously interested in him and
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Speaker 3: like puts him at ease. And then I think obviously
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Speaker 3: staying home with Jess realizes that staying home and him
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Speaker 3: letting him go out probably did open a door for
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Speaker 3: her with Tyler. Now I cannot wait to see how
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Speaker 3: this unfolds with Mercedes, because he literally goes, you know,
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Speaker 3: Mercedes is like my girl, But I could really kiss
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Speaker 3: you right now. And then I was remembering who did
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Speaker 3: he kiss last week? I couldn't remember.
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Speaker 4: Who he kissed her on the campfire last week, there's
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Speaker 4: somebody in a Truth or Dare and I was like, Oh,
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Speaker 4: where's Mercedes. I guess it's inconsequential because maybe it was
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Speaker 4: the Truth or Dare.
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Speaker 3: I don't think it was.
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Speaker 2: Jass No the either. The date with Blake and Genevie
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Speaker 2: I do think had a lot more chemistry than maybe
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Speaker 2: we even saw. I do think it was good for Blake.
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Speaker 2: I do think the two of them make sense together.
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Speaker 2: I didn't see that couple coming because I didn't quite
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Speaker 2: understand how much separation there was between Jess and Blake.
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Speaker 2: I know that conversation happened, but I didn't think either
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Speaker 2: of them would act on it, because I thought the
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Speaker 2: two of them would kind of come back together and
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Speaker 2: be like, yeah, but you're the best thing I got here.
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Speaker 2: So the Blake Genevievey, you know, date did show me
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Speaker 2: there are legs to the two of them things interesting.
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Speaker 3: I definitely thought they were over after that conversation.
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Speaker 2: I also think that the thing we're seeing and we
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Speaker 2: saw it week one, and we saw we heard it
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Speaker 2: as we prep for Paradise, as a lot of these
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Speaker 2: guys came to Paradise with an interest in Jess like
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Speaker 2: I think.
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Speaker 3: She yeah, well she's super hot.
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Speaker 2: Well I just think she's the hot commodity coming down.
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Speaker 2: And Tyler wants to kiss her because he's like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: Mercedes is my girl, and I'm so glad. But like,
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Speaker 2: I didn't have a chance with you back then because
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Speaker 2: you were with Blake, and now I do. Yeah, And
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Speaker 2: it's kind of like Sean. Sean was like, I didn't
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Speaker 2: have a chance with you from week one because you're
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Speaker 2: with Blake. Now I know I'm going home, So like,
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Speaker 2: are you interested in this? Like I think Jess, if
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Speaker 2: you looked at the dude's text threads leading up to Paradise,
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Speaker 2: I think all of them are like, you know, it
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Speaker 2: reminds me of the Jade situation back in the day,
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Speaker 2: like totally, you know, they were all coming down and
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Speaker 2: being like, whoever's gonna help with Jess is very lucky. Granted,
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Speaker 2: I don't think any of the guys that are finding
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Speaker 2: the text start texting about Jess ended up with Jess
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Speaker 2: at the beginning, because I think Blake was probably on
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Speaker 2: his own island coming down without really knowing anybody. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and all these guys in the last season we're texting
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Speaker 2: and then he gets her and they're like, well, dang it,
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Speaker 2: like none of us said it guy.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and then we just have to mention I'm sorry,
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Speaker 3: but I'm just realizing that, like, while this is going on,
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Speaker 3: Kat is still like screaming and causing drama. One she
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Speaker 3: said one, it's the whole like I need to be
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Speaker 3: made out with with tongue. Like the entire theme of
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Speaker 3: the episode is that Kat needs to be made out
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Speaker 3: with with tongue and that John Henry has a tongue
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Speaker 3: piercing and this is really turning her on. And then
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Speaker 3: she's also telling Eliza that Aaron B has like a
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Speaker 3: shady past and that Charity said that of all my guys,
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Speaker 3: watch out the most for Aaron B, which I said
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Speaker 3: last week was shocking and they were like twisting all
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Speaker 3: the previews to make it look like this. But apparently
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Speaker 3: yes so because even though Charity brought him back to
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Speaker 3: the top three and then Winter seen that before she
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Speaker 3: gets off the show and gets a DM from one
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Speaker 3: of his exes and no, here's the debate that you
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Speaker 3: and I have to decide. Does this decipher a bit?
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Speaker 1: Here?
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Speaker 3: Charity gets these dms saying like Aaron left me his
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Speaker 3: girlfriend to be on the show with you, and like,
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Speaker 3: we were dating but he you know, a classic scenario,
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Speaker 3: a Jed scenario, right, But then and then Kat goes.
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Speaker 3: Kat goes and reveals this to Eliza, and first we're like, okay,
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Speaker 3: is this is Kat just being dramatic or is this legit?
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Speaker 3: Later in the episode, Charity comes down, of course, and
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Speaker 3: she sits down with Eliza and tells her exactly what happened,
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Speaker 3: and it seems as if Charity believes this girl who
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Speaker 3: DMed her. Then Eliza goes and sits down with Aaron
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Speaker 3: and confronts him about this, and then Aaron gives her
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Speaker 3: the weirdest story of all time. And then again with
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Speaker 3: the confusion theme, because he goes, well, I was dating
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Speaker 3: a girl and we ended it in September, and then
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Speaker 3: I was and then we're not sure if he is
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Speaker 3: another girl or the same girl. And he goes and
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Speaker 3: then in December something something something, I got the call
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Speaker 3: on I got the call to be on the Bachelor
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Speaker 3: at in December, and then in January he ended things
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Speaker 3: and it's like, wait, dude, we are so confused and
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Speaker 3: we don't have clarity on this situation.
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Speaker 2: I thought his claim was that he was dating girl.
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Speaker 2: They ended, and then he started dating another girl girl.
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Speaker 3: In October, and then he got the call in December,
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Speaker 3: and then in January he ended things and then they
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Speaker 3: call the show back and was by the way, I'd
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Speaker 3: like to go on in March.
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Speaker 2: Maybe I don't remember the January piece, but it could
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Speaker 2: have been.
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Speaker 3: So despite the fact that we're all confused about timelines
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Speaker 3: and like how many girls there are, it sounds as
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Speaker 3: if there's two who do you believe here? The girls
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Speaker 3: that are Dming or Aaron.
19:21
Speaker 2: I believe them all.
19:22
Speaker 3: There's like a weird middle ground for you.
19:25
Speaker 2: I think there's a middle ground. Yeah, I believe them all.
19:27
Speaker 2: I think you know, I think that Aaron went on
19:31
Speaker 2: the Bachelorette. And it's interesting with the storyline that we
19:36
Speaker 2: know now has came out of the Bachelorette, kind of
19:39
Speaker 2: Aaron B's story today.
19:41
Speaker 3: Because aren't you shocked? Like Charity really liked him, really
19:45
Speaker 3: liked him.
19:45
Speaker 2: I think she liked him less than what we saw
19:49
Speaker 2: because Okay, he just showed up to the beach, and
19:51
Speaker 2: I think she kept him around or kind of like
19:55
Speaker 2: had him there because she didn't know what to do, you.
19:58
Speaker 3: Mean, money, She accepted him back top three.
20:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't even you know, I think
20:03
Speaker 2: that was I think it was probably she knew what
20:05
Speaker 2: she was going to do the whole time, and so
20:07
Speaker 2: I think this was just kind of a hiccup or
20:10
Speaker 2: a speed bump in the road for her. I believe
20:13
Speaker 2: them all. I believe that Aaron was dating people. I
20:17
Speaker 2: don't know the exact timeline, because yes, it was confusing.
20:21
Speaker 2: I believe he was dating up until he left pretty
20:23
Speaker 2: much for the Bachelorette. Yes, And and when he left
20:29
Speaker 2: for the Bachelorette, I do believe he ended the relationships
20:31
Speaker 2: that existed to pursue the Bachelorette, to pursue charity because
20:36
Speaker 2: he knew she was going to be the Bachelorette.
20:39
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily know if that's wrong to go on
20:42
Speaker 3: the show when you're casually dating some money.
20:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you've ended it, oh yeah, And if you've
20:47
Speaker 2: ended it, if you've ended it and it's been clear
20:50
Speaker 2: to all parties that it's over, then I don't think
20:54
Speaker 2: that's a problem necessarily.
20:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like you're still going to get the what
21:00
Speaker 3: he calls a disgruntled X sending dms trying to come
21:04
Speaker 3: after you saying that he broke up with me because
21:07
Speaker 3: of the show, And.
21:08
Speaker 2: If he did, great, If he broke up with her
21:11
Speaker 2: because he saw a better future possibly with Charity, Let's
21:14
Speaker 2: let's assume that was his reasoning and not to get
21:16
Speaker 2: the claim and the fame from the show. Yeah, let's
21:18
Speaker 2: assume that it was because he said, Hey, this relationship
21:22
Speaker 2: I don't see is going anywhere. It's no different than
21:24
Speaker 2: what people do in paradise. I don't see this relationship
21:27
Speaker 2: going anywhere. I'm going to move on now to somebody
21:29
Speaker 2: I think there's a better future possibly with, and that's Charity.
21:34
Speaker 2: I don't think we can be upset about that, Like,
21:36
Speaker 2: I don't think that's wrong.
21:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like, really, could you imagine leaving your soulmate
21:44
Speaker 3: as somebody you sees as a future spouse to go
21:46
Speaker 3: on the show then, and that if that is really
21:49
Speaker 3: what your relationship was like, like it was that serious
21:52
Speaker 3: and that wonderful that person left you for the show, Well,
21:55
Speaker 3: then you probably don't want to be with him exactly.
21:58
Speaker 2: So you broke up you were seeing on the show. Yeah,
22:01
Speaker 2: but that is the big That is the thing that's
22:03
Speaker 2: always been on this podcast. Actually, what we've criticized for
22:07
Speaker 2: it's not that you might have been dating leading up
22:09
Speaker 2: to the show. For goodness sake, I hope you were
22:12
Speaker 2: dating leading up to the show. If you weren't, like,
22:15
Speaker 2: you know, if you're interested in finding love and you
22:17
Speaker 2: weren't trying by dating, then I don't know what to
22:20
Speaker 2: tell you. Everybody was dating. But if you were going
22:24
Speaker 2: on the show and you're single, there's no problem with that,
22:26
Speaker 2: even if I mean, I would go as far as
22:28
Speaker 2: even if it was the day before you left that
22:30
Speaker 2: you're like, I've been like trying to figure out if
22:32
Speaker 2: I want to do this or not, and I just
22:34
Speaker 2: don't see a future for this. It's over. I'm going
22:36
Speaker 2: to go. I'm going to get on that plane tomorrow
22:38
Speaker 2: and go. I still think that's okay. The difference would
22:42
Speaker 2: be if they were still dating and he went.
22:43
Speaker 3: On Okay, all right, I kind of I guess would
22:46
Speaker 3: really boil down to it. I guess I do agree
22:49
Speaker 3: with you. I think what we were concerned about here
22:55
Speaker 3: is if he left, went on the show and did
23:00
Speaker 3: it with the intent that perhaps he was going to
23:03
Speaker 3: get back with her. Is there any at all that.
23:06
Speaker 2: It could be. I mean, it definitely could be that
23:08
Speaker 2: maybe he went on the show again could be a.
23:10
Speaker 3: Huge read flag. That's just not a huge read flag,
23:13
Speaker 3: do you because I'm not sure.
23:15
Speaker 2: I think it is a red flag enough for Eliza
23:17
Speaker 2: to confront him on it and be like, tell me
23:19
Speaker 2: more at this. Yeah. I think he did a terrible
23:22
Speaker 2: job at explaining.
23:23
Speaker 3: Explaining it like so bad because he was so awkward, Like,
23:27
Speaker 3: I get it, he was cornered and there's probably some
23:31
Speaker 3: truth to it all, he was way too vague and
23:38
Speaker 3: just felt like it just felt like in his explanation
23:40
Speaker 3: he was trying to just get it over with.
23:42
Speaker 2: Sure, I think he did a terrible job and explaining himself.
23:45
Speaker 2: But if if what we said, if what he said
23:49
Speaker 2: when you boil all the confusion down is actually true
23:52
Speaker 2: that a relationship was ended and he went on the show,
23:54
Speaker 2: I don't think it's like a red flag enough for
23:56
Speaker 2: Eliza to be like, I can't date you anymore because
23:59
Speaker 2: your values and your morals don't align with mine. I
24:02
Speaker 2: don't think that's the case. I do think Eliza has
24:05
Speaker 2: questions now, and I think.
24:07
Speaker 3: She should be more skeptical now.
24:10
Speaker 2: She could be more skeptical, yes, a little bit, but.
24:14
Speaker 3: Also like, think about all the people who get annoyed
24:19
Speaker 3: seeing their x on the show.
24:31
Speaker 2: Here's what I don't love. The Bachelor world is is
24:36
Speaker 2: one where you know, there's a lot of communication, positive
24:39
Speaker 2: and negative going around all the time about every contestant
24:43
Speaker 2: who has made any type of name for you know,
24:45
Speaker 2: from the show, especially those that are living in going
24:48
Speaker 2: to Paradise. I don't love Cat's move here. I think
24:51
Speaker 2: that was probably the worst piece to me. She brought
24:56
Speaker 2: Charity the bachelorette into a situation that Charity was not
25:01
Speaker 2: around to defend herself or to speak to because she
25:04
Speaker 2: wasn't on the beach yp and Kat is good friends
25:07
Speaker 2: with Charity, besties, they say.
25:10
Speaker 3: Which it's an odd couple there. There's must be a
25:13
Speaker 3: whole other side of Cat that we're not seeing because
25:16
Speaker 3: the girls actually seem to have some sort of loyalty
25:18
Speaker 3: to order.
25:19
Speaker 2: Well, I think she's funny, and I think she's like,
25:21
Speaker 2: I think she's probably your friend that you're like, that's
25:23
Speaker 2: just Cat, Like yeah.
25:24
Speaker 3: Exactly, yeah.
25:26
Speaker 2: But if Kat is like if I told you something
25:29
Speaker 2: actually in confidence, or even if I didn't say, hey,
25:32
Speaker 2: please don't tell anybody this, if I just told you
25:34
Speaker 2: something and then I saw you on Paradise and you're like,
25:39
Speaker 2: you know, Ben told me that that person kind of
25:44
Speaker 2: like isn't as good as I thought he was. Ill
25:47
Speaker 2: I would be upset with you. I would be like, Ashulely,
25:50
Speaker 2: you brought me into television when I wasn't I wasn't there,
25:53
Speaker 2: and I don't like that. You're a friend of mine,
25:55
Speaker 2: and I respect kind of the code of privacy to
25:59
Speaker 2: be able to confide in you you in a friendship
26:01
Speaker 2: and know that it's never going to come back to
26:03
Speaker 2: bite me.
26:04
Speaker 3: It sounded as if Charity wanted this information to get
26:07
Speaker 3: out because she said, like my girls. She was like,
26:10
Speaker 3: my girls, all my guys are wonderful that are going
26:13
Speaker 3: except watch out for him. So I do think it
26:15
Speaker 3: was something for everybody to sort of know that.
26:17
Speaker 2: Could make sense. She gave that permission that I get it.
26:20
Speaker 3: She didn't seem annoyed by it. Okay, So besides that storyline,
26:24
Speaker 3: which we have no idea what kind of move Eliza
26:27
Speaker 3: is going to make after that, we need to talk
26:30
Speaker 3: about Brayden bringing Becca on this date or back up
26:34
Speaker 3: bringing Braiden on the date. It was I think a
26:37
Speaker 3: bummer for all of us, just because we were really
26:40
Speaker 3: rooting for Rachel and Braden. They seemed so cute last
26:43
Speaker 3: week and now it's actually only a day after their date.
26:49
Speaker 3: That sounds seems wacky, but yeah, it's a day after
26:51
Speaker 3: their date. And Beca invites him on and they're and
26:56
Speaker 3: he says early in the date that he thought he
26:59
Speaker 3: had the great time somebody can have with Rachel, but
27:03
Speaker 3: then this date far exceeded it, really early on. That's oh,
27:07
Speaker 3: that sucks.
27:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, good for them that they have such
27:12
Speaker 2: a good date. I do think Braiden, I don't think
27:16
Speaker 2: this was a great move on Braiden's part, because I
27:21
Speaker 2: think you needed to give Rachel a little bit more time.
27:24
Speaker 2: I do think there was something special there. They had
27:26
Speaker 2: a lot of fun together. It does, in a wild way,
27:29
Speaker 2: kind of fit for me, the two.
27:31
Speaker 3: Of them together, and you mean Rachel and him.
27:34
Speaker 2: Rachel and him. Yeah, and even if he was interested
27:36
Speaker 2: in Becca at some point during this whole process, actually,
27:41
Speaker 2: I would assume I've never been again, never done it.
27:44
Speaker 2: I would assume, as attractive as everybody is and as
27:48
Speaker 2: cool as everybody is, at some point you say, hey,
27:52
Speaker 2: I'm gonna if I came here looking for love, I'm
27:54
Speaker 2: gonna settle down now, like I need to at least
27:56
Speaker 2: play this one out, And it felt like Rachel Braiden
28:00
Speaker 2: had enough fun and enough chemistry where he could have
28:04
Speaker 2: easily said Becca, I'm super interested. You're gorgeous, but I
28:08
Speaker 2: want to play this one out for a bit with
28:10
Speaker 2: Rachel to see where it goes.
28:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was too giddy. The giddiness made me disappointed
28:16
Speaker 3: because I thought the giddiness was a reserved for Rachel
28:18
Speaker 3: at this point. But maybe it was a little bit
28:21
Speaker 3: too early on. And I'm also not ruling them out
28:23
Speaker 3: having something, even though he did say that on their date.
28:26
Speaker 3: I think Beca just seems like I just feel more
28:31
Speaker 3: substance with what he has with Rachel, so we'll see.
28:34
Speaker 2: Well, we know Rachel better too. I think that's why.
28:37
Speaker 3: We're obviously rooting for them, because we have such more
28:40
Speaker 3: of a loyalty towards Rachel.
28:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was a shocker for me. It was
28:44
Speaker 2: a shocker that Braden is going on another date. It's
28:46
Speaker 2: a shocker that really any man here that had it
28:52
Speaker 2: feels like that kind of has a connection with Rachel
28:55
Speaker 2: is not like super interested in it because we know
28:59
Speaker 2: her well and she has some incredible qualities, she's beautiful,
29:03
Speaker 2: she took the chance on one on the beach. It
29:05
Speaker 2: would just I would just assume.
29:06
Speaker 3: So freaking good this season, she just looks amazing, so
29:09
Speaker 3: glowing in paradise.
29:11
Speaker 2: At some point, somebody's going to be like, you know what,
29:13
Speaker 2: I want to try this thing out with Rachel. If
29:15
Speaker 2: it doesn't work, it doesn't work, but at least this
29:17
Speaker 2: is a good like a good thing for me because
29:20
Speaker 2: I think she's great and we think she's great. So,
29:24
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, Charity does come down to the beach. Now,
29:27
Speaker 2: after kind of all this being said, she sits down.
29:31
Speaker 2: Mostly the big thing here is with Eliza to kind
29:33
Speaker 2: of go over what we've already talked about when it
29:36
Speaker 2: comes to her concerns about Aaron B. Eliza confronts Aaron
29:41
Speaker 2: B and we get the really really confusing, super super
29:45
Speaker 2: confusing answers from Aaron B that make no sense. And
29:49
Speaker 2: we have done everything we possibly can during this podcast
29:52
Speaker 2: to try to clear up what he was trying to say,
29:57
Speaker 2: but he just didn't say it well and and so
30:00
Speaker 2: we were yet to be seen what happens now moving
30:04
Speaker 2: into the next episode, with Eliza making that choice on
30:07
Speaker 2: if she you know stays in this relationship or not. Ashley,
30:11
Speaker 2: I guess to kind of close up here, do you
30:13
Speaker 2: hope she stays in this relationship?
30:15
Speaker 3: Yeah?
30:16
Speaker 2: Yeah I do.
30:17
Speaker 3: I don't feel like so strong, Like I don't like
30:21
Speaker 3: have like a ton of strong feelings for them, But
30:24
Speaker 3: I don't think this is breakup worthy.
30:26
Speaker 2: Okay, So we have the sneak peeks for next week.
30:31
Speaker 2: John Henry, we see kiss Cat, so maybe he is
30:34
Speaker 2: in the Cat.
30:35
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, there's definitely gonna be some real ceremony drama
30:38
Speaker 3: over that triangle.
30:40
Speaker 2: We see the Cat in Olivia confrontation, which I cannot
30:42
Speaker 2: wait because, like I said, I think the two of
30:44
Speaker 2: them are probably the most quick witted and also have
30:48
Speaker 2: no hold back on what they will say to each other.
30:51
Speaker 2: That could be a front seat that I would like
30:53
Speaker 2: to have.
30:54
Speaker 3: It could be like the entire episode. I'd be okay
30:56
Speaker 3: with that.
30:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be wild. It's gonna be interesting.
30:59
Speaker 3: Oh my god. And what we don't see teas but
31:02
Speaker 3: I can only imagine is coming. It must be coming.
31:05
Speaker 3: We're going into week seven is Katie Thurston's arrival, especially
31:09
Speaker 3: with Blake coming back from this date with Genevieve.
31:13
Speaker 2: At some point she's had to show up. We know
31:15
Speaker 2: she was there, we just don't know if it's going
31:17
Speaker 2: to be shown now or not. I guess, and.
31:19
Speaker 3: I'm eager to see what happens with Jess and Tyler
31:21
Speaker 3: and Mercedes Ashley.
31:23
Speaker 2: To close up everything, I want to play a little
31:24
Speaker 2: game with you after next week's episode. Let's assume there's
31:28
Speaker 2: no new arrivals. Okay, no new arrivals. We're ending next
31:32
Speaker 2: week's episode. This is going into the week eight. Now,
31:37
Speaker 2: what couples will be together?
31:39
Speaker 3: I do think Eliza and Aaron b will be together?
31:42
Speaker 3: Are we talking couples? Are like? Who's going to give
31:44
Speaker 3: roses to? Who?
31:45
Speaker 2: Who's going to give rose to? Who?
31:48
Speaker 3: Predict the next rose ceremony?
31:50
Speaker 2: Sure?
31:52
Speaker 3: I think Tyler is going to give Jess's rose. I
31:54
Speaker 3: think Blake is going to give Genevieve's rose. I think
31:58
Speaker 3: that even to Kylie will probably be the most secure relationship. Oh,
32:04
Speaker 3: Peter and Sam. I think Peter to Sam, We're not
32:08
Speaker 3: going to see a lot of them because I don't
32:09
Speaker 3: think it's very heavy. I actually think Brandon is going
32:14
Speaker 3: to end up somehow giving Rachel arose. It's just my guess.
32:18
Speaker 3: And then who am I missing, and then who's gonna
32:21
Speaker 3: give catterer? I think John Henry's rose. Who do I
32:26
Speaker 3: think John? I think it's going to be I want
32:30
Speaker 3: to Okay, I think it's going to be Olivia.
32:39
Speaker 2: Okay, So we'll say Mercedes and Becca will be going
32:44
Speaker 2: home then at least from this group that we expect,
32:50
Speaker 2: and I would say I agree with everything you just said,
32:52
Speaker 2: and Kat would be then going home as well.
32:54
Speaker 3: You do you pick Olivia over Kat?
32:57
Speaker 2: I think at this point I have a feeling that
33:01
Speaker 2: one of these dudes is going to sit down with
33:02
Speaker 2: John Henry and be like, what are you doing? Like, yeah,
33:06
Speaker 2: I know everything your body's telling you yes, but.
33:10
Speaker 3: Will be going giving to I.
33:12
Speaker 2: Think everybody's gonna say that John Henry's body tells him yes,
33:16
Speaker 2: but his mind should start telling him no, and that
33:19
Speaker 2: he should uh, he should just pick Olivia and uh
33:24
Speaker 2: and make his life a little easier. I don't know
33:28
Speaker 2: that that the conversations about his tonguering really made be uncomfortable.
33:31
Speaker 2: There was a lot of innuan so much, so much,
33:34
Speaker 2: so much goodness gracious, that poor fella he is is
33:37
Speaker 2: gonna get he is going to get destroyed.
33:39
Speaker 3: The vibrating tongue ring, A.
33:42
Speaker 2: Vibrating tongue ring. M I can't imagine. Anyways, Hey, this
33:47
Speaker 2: has been this week's episode of Bachelor in Paradise breakdown.
33:51
Speaker 2: Actually and I are going to continue with another episode
33:54
Speaker 2: of The Golden Bachelor. We've had headlines this week, so
33:57
Speaker 2: make sure you go back and listen to those until
34:00
Speaker 2: next week when who knows what the tornado of cat
34:03
Speaker 2: Olivia and the poor guy John Henry is going to
34:08
Speaker 2: look like. I've been Ben, I've been Ashley.
34:11
Speaker 3: See ya.
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