Latest / Blood Trails / S2E4: Catching the Killer of Neil LaFave
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- 0:05Speaker 1: In the marshes of northeastern Wisconsin, a game warden stepped
- 0:08Speaker 1: out of his truck one September evening and never came back.
- 0:12Speaker 1: What investigators found the next day was a crime scene
- 0:15Speaker 1: so brutal it would haunt the state of Wisconsin for
- 0:19Speaker 1: decades to come. But catching the killer would require a
- 0:22Speaker 1: brand new investigative technique, a hidden rifle, and a manhunt
- 0:27Speaker 1: that stretched from the north Woods to the state capitol.
- 0:31Speaker 1: That's next on Blood Trails. On September twenty fourth, nineteen
- 0:43Speaker 1: seventy one, Wisconsin State game Warden Neila Fave had every
- 0:46Speaker 1: reason to be hopeful. The thirty two year old was married,
- 0:50Speaker 1: with two kids, a house, a small farm, and a
- 0:53Speaker 1: strong community of family and friends. He was also working
- 0:57Speaker 1: a job he loved. He'd grown up hunting and fishing,
- 0:59Speaker 1: and he wanted to protect the wild places and creatures
- 1:03Speaker 1: that make Wisconsin great.
- 1:04Speaker 2: But he was there that day to post in the
- 1:09Speaker 2: Wet Area's wildlife sanctuary.
- 1:12Speaker 1: That's Donald Zeidemulder, who was at the time the district
- 1:15Speaker 1: attorney for Brown County, Wisconsin. He told me that Neil
- 1:19Speaker 1: was working that day at the Sensible Wildlife Area, about
- 1:22Speaker 1: eight miles north of Green Bay. He'd been busy posting
- 1:26Speaker 1: no hunting signs, but he was in a hurry to
- 1:28Speaker 1: wrap it up.
- 1:29Speaker 2: It was his birthday, so he wanted to get home.
- 1:32Speaker 2: He came back to his truck, he took his waiters off,
- 1:37Speaker 2: he put his hunting boots on, he got in his truck,
- 1:40Speaker 2: and he actually lit a cigar, and then he heard something.
- 1:45Speaker 1: We don't know exactly what that something was, but we
- 1:49Speaker 1: do know that Neil put his cigar in the ashtray
- 1:52Speaker 1: and got out of his truck.
- 1:53Speaker 2: Because he assumed he would be back to finish it.
- 1:57Speaker 1: But Neil never returned to finish that sea. He never
- 2:01Speaker 1: got a chance to kiss his wife and hug his kids,
- 2:03Speaker 1: or attend the surprise birthday party that was being organized
- 2:06Speaker 1: in his honor.
- 2:07Speaker 3: As a family, we had all gathered there to have
- 2:11Speaker 3: a birthday party for him, and I just kept getting
- 2:14Speaker 3: later and later. Nate didn't come home. It was at
- 2:17Speaker 3: some point we realized that something wasn't right.
- 2:20Speaker 1: The family at first thought Neil might have gone out
- 2:23Speaker 1: with friends to celebrate his birthday, but as the minutes
- 2:26Speaker 1: ticked by and more guests arrived, they realized that all
- 2:29Speaker 1: his friends were already there, Darkness fell, and Peggy lefee,
- 2:34Speaker 1: Neil's wife, drove out to the wildlife area, where she
- 2:37Speaker 1: found Neil's empty truck, but there was no sign of
- 2:40Speaker 1: the game organ. After Peggy called law enforcement and the
- 2:44Speaker 1: search began. It didn't take long for reporters to catch
- 2:47Speaker 1: wind of what was happening. Here's the Green Bay Press Gazette.
- 2:51Speaker 4: Along with police officials, friends and neighbors converged on the
- 2:54Speaker 4: scene to search for the missing man. Search planes from
- 2:57Speaker 4: the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources enlisted bloodhounds were brought
- 3:01Speaker 4: in to comb a wooded marsh area early Saturday.
- 3:05Speaker 1: Reporters were struck by how many of Neil's friends had
- 3:08Speaker 1: joined the search efforts. Peggy was there too, but it
- 3:11Speaker 1: wasn't easy for the young wife to watch and wait.
- 3:15Speaker 4: At one time, missus Leffay was standing near a squad
- 3:18Speaker 4: car when the message blurted from the plane above that
- 3:22Speaker 4: if a man had run into foul play, this would
- 3:24Speaker 4: be an ideal place to dump the body. Tears welled
- 3:28Speaker 4: in her eyes and I could see how tense she was.
- 3:31Speaker 1: She had reason to be. It wasn't like Neil to
- 3:33Speaker 1: disappear without telling anyone, and he wouldn't have abandoned his
- 3:36Speaker 1: truck without reason. Friends were overheard saying that he knew
- 3:40Speaker 1: those woods like a rabbit, and they doubted he'd had
- 3:43Speaker 1: some kind of accident. They also said he wasn't the
- 3:46Speaker 1: kind of guy to leave a cigar unfinished. The search
- 3:50Speaker 1: continued throughout the night until the next morning, when a
- 3:53Speaker 1: local hunter stumbled on what they were looking for, but
- 3:56Speaker 1: hoping not to.
- 3:57Speaker 4: Find Lefav's body was finally discovered by a man who
- 4:01Speaker 4: did not know him and had not originally come to
- 4:04Speaker 4: the preserve to participate in the search. Bob Doney went
- 4:08Speaker 4: to Sensiba Saturday morning bow hunting, but joined the search
- 4:11Speaker 4: when police told him of the situation.
- 4:14Speaker 1: Bob told reporters that he'd noticed a mount of fresh
- 4:16Speaker 1: earth with ferns and a log on top of it.
- 4:19Speaker 1: As he walked closer, he spied a belt and an
- 4:22Speaker 1: elbow partially hidden by the dirt. He also noticed blood
- 4:26Speaker 1: on the ground, as well as a path where it
- 4:28Speaker 1: looked like someone had been dragged. Bob called the sheriff's deputies,
- 4:31Speaker 1: but they quickly realized the situation was even worse than
- 4:35Speaker 1: they had feared.
- 4:36Speaker 2: Phone rings I had heard on the radio and TV news.
- 4:41Speaker 2: The night before that there was a game warden missing
- 4:43Speaker 2: in Sensibon and it was the Sheriff's department. They said
- 4:46Speaker 2: to me, you've got to come out to the Sensaba
- 4:49Speaker 2: right away. We've found the game warden. He's in the sand.
- 4:56Speaker 1: Donald was only twenty eight years old at the time
- 4:58Speaker 1: and he'd been elected the year before. He'd been hoping
- 5:02Speaker 1: to spend that Saturday with his newborn baby boy, but
- 5:05Speaker 1: duty called, so he hopped in the car.
- 5:07Speaker 2: So I approached an area that sandy loom, you know,
- 5:11Speaker 2: swamp kind of stuff. It was sort of the higher part,
- 5:15Speaker 2: and I walked over and here was an area of
- 5:20Speaker 2: like of sand that had been pushed aside, and now
- 5:25Speaker 2: you can see the hip and a pocket green cacae overalls.
- 5:31Speaker 2: So there was his body.
- 5:33Speaker 1: Donald called the state crime Lab to help process the scene,
- 5:36Speaker 1: but they didn't get there until after the sun had set.
- 5:40Speaker 2: So then they start digging with their hands the sand
- 5:43Speaker 2: away from from Neal's body. So I grabbed those two
- 5:48Speaker 2: big lights and I'm holding them up like this, illuminating
- 5:51Speaker 2: the scene, and I'm watching him as they you know,
- 5:54Speaker 2: they get his legs and then they start working up
- 5:58Speaker 2: to his upper body, and all of a sudd the
- 6:00Speaker 2: guy from the crime lad says, oh my god, he
- 6:03Speaker 2: doesn't have a head.
- 6:05Speaker 1: The details of this gruesome discovery were not made public immediately,
- 6:10Speaker 1: but they didn't have to be for Peggy's world to
- 6:12Speaker 1: come crashing down.
- 6:14Speaker 4: As we walked to my car, another car pulled up.
- 6:17Speaker 4: Three youths got out, and I could see that at
- 6:19Speaker 4: least two of them had been crying. She asked, what's wrong?
- 6:22Speaker 4: Are they coming back here? One of them said her
- 6:25Speaker 4: husband had been found and was dead. Her arms and
- 6:29Speaker 4: legs went limp, and she said something like I want
- 6:32Speaker 4: to go see him. I told the boys to take
- 6:34Speaker 4: her home and they left.
- 6:37Speaker 1: The murder of Neil a Fav remains one of Wisconsin's
- 6:39Speaker 1: darkest moments. The brutality of the crime perpetrated on a
- 6:43Speaker 1: well liked young father and husband, devastated Neil's family, friends,
- 6:48Speaker 1: and colleagues in the Warden Service. Donald knew that justice
- 6:51Speaker 1: must be served, but as he stood beside Neil's shallow
- 6:54Speaker 1: grave on that cool September evening, he had no idea
- 6:57Speaker 1: where that effort would lead. Catch Neil's killer. The district
- 7:01Speaker 1: attorney would have to find a hidden rifle, prosecute a
- 7:05Speaker 1: contentious trial, survive a brazen jail break, and employ a
- 7:09Speaker 1: new investigative technique that catapulted this case from the swamps
- 7:13Speaker 1: of Sensiba to the history books. I'm Jordan Sillers and
- 7:18Speaker 1: this is Blood Trails. Catching the Killer of Neil la
- 7:22Speaker 1: Fave Part one. Neil Brad Lefay was seventeen years younger
- 7:31Speaker 1: than his older brother, so Neil was already out of
- 7:33Speaker 1: the house by the time Brad was born. But as
- 7:36Speaker 1: he grew up, the younger la Faye found a friend, mentor,
- 7:39Speaker 1: and father figure in his adult sibling.
- 7:42Speaker 3: We developed a great relationship because as time went on,
- 7:47Speaker 3: he kind of ended up almost like my dad, And
- 7:48Speaker 3: not to take anything away, my dad was great, but
- 7:51Speaker 3: he was always busy at work on and Neil seemed
- 7:55Speaker 3: to always take time for me to come to my
- 7:58Speaker 3: sporting events and got interested in hunting and all the
- 8:03Speaker 3: stuff that he liked.
- 8:04Speaker 1: Neil had purchased a hobby farm right across the street
- 8:07Speaker 1: from the Sensible Wildlife Area. He and Peggy lived in
- 8:10Speaker 1: a house on that property, and they were happy to
- 8:12Speaker 1: host Brad whenever he didn't have school.
- 8:15Speaker 3: A lot of my summers are a lot of time
- 8:17Speaker 3: of the summer. I'd spend there and doing chores on
- 8:20Speaker 3: the farm, riding horses, helping bail hay, and do all
- 8:24Speaker 3: the fun stuff you did back then. There was a
- 8:28Speaker 3: good bond between us.
- 8:29Speaker 1: As Brad got older, he joined Neil in the field
- 8:32Speaker 1: whenever he could. The older la Fee was often busy
- 8:35Speaker 1: catching poachers during hunting season, but he still made time
- 8:38Speaker 1: to chase birds with Brad.
- 8:41Speaker 3: Well, we hunted there right on the farm, and my
- 8:43Speaker 3: geese and ducks, and there were cheasants around then, and
- 8:49Speaker 3: he used to reload all his own shelves and he
- 8:52Speaker 3: would try and beef him up pretty good. And I
- 8:55Speaker 3: remember once accidentally pulling both triggers at the same time
- 8:59Speaker 3: on the double barrel and it chipped out two big
- 9:02Speaker 3: pieces of wood on both sides of the stock from
- 9:05Speaker 3: doing that. But yeah, we would hunt whenever we could.
- 9:10Speaker 1: One of their favorite pursuits was hound hunting for raccoons
- 9:13Speaker 1: and foxes, and Brad remembers enjoying everything about those trips.
- 9:18Speaker 3: He had probably twelve pounds and evenings that I remember,
- 9:24Speaker 3: you know, we'd go coon hunting and we didn't have
- 9:26Speaker 3: all the modern technology they have now. For tracking your dog,
- 9:29Speaker 3: so if you didn't catch up to them, you just
- 9:32Speaker 3: leave your jacket in the ditch and in the morning
- 9:35Speaker 3: you'd come back and the dogs would be there all
- 9:37Speaker 3: around the jacket, laying on the jacket. Some of those
- 9:40Speaker 3: late nights we'd end up going to Chili John's in
- 9:44Speaker 3: Green Bay and having chili because they were always open
- 9:47Speaker 3: for the bar croud and we would just be getting
- 9:49Speaker 3: done to coon hunting.
- 9:51Speaker 1: Neil obviously had a soft spot for his little brother.
- 9:54Speaker 1: Brad said. He used to call him kiddo and they'd
- 9:57Speaker 1: hold races up and down the quarter mile driveway to
- 10:00Speaker 1: the road. But Neil didn't let him win or get
- 10:03Speaker 1: away with doing things the wrong way, especially when it
- 10:06Speaker 1: came to the outdoors.
- 10:07Speaker 3: I remember once I forgot my license from up in
- 10:10Speaker 3: Crivets and got down there and forgot my license. He said, well,
- 10:13Speaker 3: I guess you're just out this week, so I didn't
- 10:16Speaker 3: get the hut. But yeah, it was he liked the
- 10:20Speaker 3: outdoors and he liked wildlife and saw it all kind
- 10:24Speaker 3: of fit together.
- 10:25Speaker 1: Brad was too young to remember how Neil and Peggy
- 10:28Speaker 1: began their relationship, but he thinks it was likely at
- 10:31Speaker 1: a dance or neighborhood gathering. Peggy and her family lived
- 10:34Speaker 1: across the street from where Neil's parents owned a supper
- 10:37Speaker 1: club in Oneida, so the families had known each other
- 10:40Speaker 1: for a long time. Peggy declined to speak with me
- 10:43Speaker 1: for this episode. I was told the memories are just
- 10:46Speaker 1: too painful. But Nikki, one of Neil and Peggy's two children,
- 10:50Speaker 1: agreed to tell me more about her father.
- 10:53Speaker 5: She was a well respected person. Anybody that knew him
- 11:00Speaker 5: just really respected him.
- 11:02Speaker 4: He was a down to earth person.
- 11:05Speaker 5: I was told that he would take my brother and
- 11:08Speaker 5: I to our doctor's appointments. Fifty five years ago, it
- 11:13Speaker 5: wasn't common for the father to take their kids to
- 11:18Speaker 5: the doctor's office versus nowadays, and he loved to do
- 11:24Speaker 5: that because he wanted a family.
- 11:27Speaker 1: Nicki was only two years old when her father was killed.
- 11:30Speaker 1: She doesn't have any personal memories of him, and you
- 11:33Speaker 1: can tell she doesn't want to speak out of turn.
- 11:35Speaker 1: But growing up, her mother and other relatives were happy
- 11:38Speaker 1: to tell her more about the father she never knew.
- 11:41Speaker 5: He just always had a smile on his face. He
- 11:46Speaker 5: just was very open with everybody. He was an easygoing guy.
- 11:51Speaker 1: That honest, easygoing personality made him a good game warden,
- 11:55Speaker 1: and both Nicki and Brad mentioned how much Nei loved
- 11:58Speaker 1: his job.
- 11:59Speaker 5: He loved making sure that the animals were taken care of.
- 12:04Speaker 5: He loved being outdoors and hunting so much that he
- 12:09Speaker 5: just enjoyed working as a DNR and taking care of
- 12:15Speaker 5: the land for future hunters and for the hunters that
- 12:19Speaker 5: were around.
- 12:22Speaker 1: When I asked Brad what he hoped his brother would
- 12:24Speaker 1: be remembered for, this was one of the things he reiterated.
- 12:28Speaker 3: Just as a dedication to the wildlife and to what
- 12:33Speaker 3: he loved to do, and having that job was kind
- 12:37Speaker 3: of absence of what he really wanted to do.
- 12:40Speaker 1: The fact that Neil died doing the thing he loved
- 12:43Speaker 1: adds an extra layer of tragedy to this case. Neil's
- 12:47Speaker 1: coworkers at the DNR couldn't prove it, but they immediately
- 12:50Speaker 1: suspected a well known poacher for this brutal crime. If
- 12:54Speaker 1: that was true, Neil's love of wildlife, his passion for conservation,
- 12:59Speaker 1: and his no non sense approach to hunting and fishing
- 13:01Speaker 1: laws had led indirectly to his death. Neil was the
- 13:07Speaker 1: kind of guy you'd want as your local game Warden.
- 13:09Speaker 1: But it was exactly these traits that deprived a community
- 13:13Speaker 1: of an exemplary public servant and a young family of
- 13:16Speaker 1: a father and husband.
- 13:19Speaker 5: He was like that with everybody. He was there to
- 13:23Speaker 5: help everybody, and everybody that knew him just kind of
- 13:29Speaker 5: really respected him and trusted him.
- 13:37Speaker 1: Part two the killer. As Peggy and the rest of
- 13:42Speaker 1: Neil's family began to grieve, Donald Zeidemalder began his investigation.
- 13:47Speaker 1: He wasn't the only one, of course. Conservation Warden Dale
- 13:51Speaker 1: Morey and Brown County Sergeant Marvin Gerlikowski were two of
- 13:54Speaker 1: the lead investigators. Both men have unfortunately passed away, but Donald,
- 14:00Speaker 1: who is now Judge Zidemolder for the Brown County Circuit Court,
- 14:03Speaker 1: offered a detailed account of how the investigation unfolded. It
- 14:07Speaker 1: was close to midnight by the time they found Neil's body,
- 14:10Speaker 1: so they covered the area with plastic, staked it down,
- 14:12Speaker 1: and stationed two deputies to make sure no one disturbed
- 14:15Speaker 1: the crime scene. It rained overnight, and Donald was back
- 14:19Speaker 1: bright and early the next day.
- 14:21Speaker 2: And I show up and there's these two deputies there
- 14:24Speaker 2: who spent the whole night. And I've never seen two
- 14:27Speaker 2: guys happier to be relieved of duty than those two
- 14:31Speaker 2: guys were. I said, how did your night go? How
- 14:35Speaker 2: did our night go? What the hell are you talking
- 14:37Speaker 2: about these and said, we're pectifying the whole damn night.
- 14:41Speaker 2: We had our guns out because we didn't know if
- 14:43Speaker 2: that guy was going to come back.
- 14:45Speaker 1: It's a humorous interaction in the safety of retrospect, but
- 14:48Speaker 1: in the moment that fear was real and understandable. Most
- 14:53Speaker 1: murderers don't decapitate their victims. Brown County had a seriously
- 14:58Speaker 1: evil person on their hands, and fact was made disturbingly
- 15:01Speaker 1: real just a few hours later.
- 15:04Speaker 2: So I was there like at dawn, and maybe I
- 15:05Speaker 2: stayed till like noon or something. I went home to
- 15:09Speaker 2: try to get some sleep, and was probably early afternoon
- 15:13Speaker 2: I got a phone call saying that they had found
- 15:15Speaker 2: the head.
- 15:16Speaker 1: Neil's head was found buried in a shallow grave about
- 15:19Speaker 1: sixty yards to the north of where his body was discovered.
- 15:23Speaker 1: From that horrifying revelation, investigators were able to determine a
- 15:26Speaker 1: cause of death.
- 15:28Speaker 2: He had been shot multiple times in the face with
- 15:31Speaker 2: the twenty two. Then I surmised that while he was
- 15:38Speaker 2: on the ground, the thirty odds six was a head
- 15:42Speaker 2: shot right next to the skull because it blew the
- 15:46Speaker 2: back of his head off.
- 15:48Speaker 1: Crime scene investigators had done a meticulous grid search of
- 15:51Speaker 1: the area. They found twenty two shellcasings, as well as
- 15:54Speaker 1: a thirty odd to six slug buried in the dirt.
- 15:57Speaker 1: Donald believed this was the slug that had entered Neil's skull,
- 16:02Speaker 1: but whoever had done this wasn't satisfied with shooting an
- 16:05Speaker 1: innocent man in the face and then shooting him again
- 16:07Speaker 1: in the back of the head. The autopsy suggested that
- 16:10Speaker 1: he had then shot Neil an additional six times in
- 16:13Speaker 1: the neck and finished the grizzly task with the blade
- 16:17Speaker 1: of a shovel stolen from Neil's truck. That conclusion was
- 16:21Speaker 1: supported by a blood soaked patch of dirt that had
- 16:23Speaker 1: been gouged by what appeared to be high powered rifle bullets.
- 16:29Speaker 1: It was hard to believe that someone living in the
- 16:31Speaker 1: quiet Green Bay suburb could be capable of something so brutal,
- 16:36Speaker 1: but it didn't take long for a primary suspect to emerge.
- 16:40Speaker 2: From the very beginning of the warden from Brown County
- 16:44Speaker 2: that his name was Norman Hicks, and he told me
- 16:48Speaker 2: that night he said, well, I think this Brian Hussan
- 16:52Speaker 2: had something to do with this. I think their contact
- 16:55Speaker 2: with him, I don't want to say unnerve them, but
- 16:58Speaker 2: had to make give so much anxiety. They thought something like, well,
- 17:02Speaker 2: this guy is capable of whatever, so we focused on
- 17:06Speaker 2: him from almost the very beginning.
- 17:09Speaker 1: Brian who Sung was a notorious poacher. The twenty one
- 17:12Speaker 1: year old had clashed with Neil several times over the years,
- 17:16Speaker 1: including an incident the previous fall in which he was
- 17:18Speaker 1: cited for shooting a pheasant out of season. Peggy also
- 17:22Speaker 1: told authorities whose Song could have been involved in her
- 17:24Speaker 1: husband's murder, which suggests that those confrontations were significant enough
- 17:29Speaker 1: that Neil relayed them to his wife. It was as
- 17:33Speaker 1: good elite as any. So Donald and the other investigators
- 17:36Speaker 1: began finding and interviewing who Sung's friends and associates.
- 17:40Speaker 2: We ended up having two or three who were pretty cooperative.
- 17:44Speaker 2: So they told us that they remember going with him
- 17:51Speaker 2: with a twenty two and shooting. So our deputies then
- 17:56Speaker 2: had these kids take them where they had Brian had
- 18:02Speaker 2: used this twenty two for pistol shooting. The twenty two
- 18:05Speaker 2: casings we recovered fired from Brian's gun matched the twenty
- 18:09Speaker 2: two casings at the scene of the crime.
- 18:12Speaker 1: This was the first real indication that Husung might be
- 18:15Speaker 1: connected to Neil's murder. According to an evident sheet I
- 18:18Speaker 1: obtained from the Brown County Attorney's office, investigators were able
- 18:22Speaker 1: to match the cases from the two locations because they
- 18:25Speaker 1: both contained a distinctive mark, likely from the firing pin
- 18:29Speaker 1: of who Song's gun. The problem was they couldn't find
- 18:33Speaker 1: a witness who could place their suspect at the scene
- 18:35Speaker 1: of the crime, and they still hadn't recovered either the
- 18:39Speaker 1: twenty two or the thirty odd six rifle. Without the
- 18:42Speaker 1: murder weapons, it would be tough to pin the crime
- 18:45Speaker 1: on anyone, and Donald figured that twenty two was long gone.
- 18:49Speaker 2: I knew that the key was this thirty odd to
- 18:53Speaker 2: six because I'm a hunter myself, and I was pretty
- 18:58Speaker 2: damn sure that this kid was He pitched that twenty
- 19:01Speaker 2: two in the river or wherever it would be. But
- 19:05Speaker 2: I had some hole for confidence that he wasn't going
- 19:09Speaker 2: to give up his dear rifle.
- 19:11Speaker 1: Twenty two's are a dime a dozen, which was almost
- 19:13Speaker 1: literally true in nineteen seventy one. Donald knew that they'd
- 19:17Speaker 1: never find whose songs drimmed fire a rifle, but no
- 19:19Speaker 1: self respecting hunter or even a poacher would willingly depart
- 19:23Speaker 1: with the thirty odd to six. Donald knew that rifle
- 19:26Speaker 1: was still around somewhere, and a crime lab analysis of
- 19:29Speaker 1: the recovered bullets indicated that they were likely looking for
- 19:32Speaker 1: a Remington bolt action. But Husong refused to take a
- 19:36Speaker 1: polygraph test, and he certainly wasn't about to reveal the
- 19:39Speaker 1: location of his firearms.
- 19:41Speaker 2: He never cooperated with the police or I ever said
- 19:44Speaker 2: anything about anything.
- 19:46Speaker 1: Whu Song's friends were more forthcoming, but the stories they
- 19:49Speaker 1: told about the young poacher sent chills down the spines
- 19:52Speaker 1: of investigators. In one incident, Hu Song dismembered a doll
- 19:56Speaker 1: that belonged to his niece while she screamed in terror.
- 20:00Speaker 1: In another, he tore the head off a live kitten
- 20:03Speaker 1: while partying with friends. I haven't verified these accounts myself.
- 20:08Speaker 1: They appear in a book called The Protectors of the
- 20:11Speaker 1: Outdoors by a former Wisconsin game warden named Jim Chiwick.
- 20:15Speaker 1: But everything I've read about Who Song indicates he was
- 20:18Speaker 1: a deeply disturbed individual.
- 20:21Speaker 2: There were violent incidents in the past. There was this
- 20:24Speaker 2: story that I was told that when he was like
- 20:26Speaker 2: twelve or fourteen, he got in a fight with a
- 20:28Speaker 2: neighborhood kid, had him down on the sidewalk and was
- 20:31Speaker 2: like pounding his head on the sidewalk, and his dad
- 20:34Speaker 2: was standing there saying, you know, kill him, kill him
- 20:37Speaker 2: or whatever, if you know what I mean. So they
- 20:39Speaker 2: were these stories came out all about how this environment
- 20:42Speaker 2: certainly contributed to what he turned out to be.
- 20:45Speaker 1: Who Song's mindset seemed to fit the crime, but he
- 20:48Speaker 1: also had a motive to target Neil specifically. Warden Hicks
- 20:52Speaker 1: testified that whose Song had a quote score to settle
- 20:55Speaker 1: with Neil due to past confrontations. We don't know the
- 20:58Speaker 1: details of all of these confrontations, but they were significant
- 21:01Speaker 1: enough that Hicks recounted them under oath, and his testimony
- 21:05Speaker 1: appears in several subsequent court cases. Hu Song had motive
- 21:09Speaker 1: and means, but he also had opportunity. Husong's grandmother lived
- 21:14Speaker 1: just south of the wildlife area, close enough that her
- 21:17Speaker 1: grandson could have seen Neil's truck from that property. Behind
- 21:21Speaker 1: her house, investigators found what looked like an empty grave
- 21:25Speaker 1: about the same depth as the one used to bury Neil.
- 21:28Speaker 1: A soil expert determined that that hole had been dug
- 21:32Speaker 1: about six months previously, and detectives wondered if Hu Song
- 21:35Speaker 1: had been planning Neil's assassination for months before he carried
- 21:39Speaker 1: it out. Everything seemed to be pointing in Wu Song's direction,
- 21:43Speaker 1: but Donald was still hesitant to bring charges. The evidence
- 21:47Speaker 1: they'd collected was circumstantial, and the prosecutor knew they needed more.
- 21:51Speaker 2: It seems probable that he's involved in this some way
- 21:55Speaker 2: or the others. But we came to a point where
- 21:58Speaker 2: that seemed to be the best as we could do
- 22:00Speaker 2: because we had nobody could put him at the scene,
- 22:04Speaker 2: you know, that was basically what we had.
- 22:07Speaker 1: Search efforts had failed to turn up that thirty odd
- 22:09Speaker 1: six rifle, but Donald wasn't about to give up. If
- 22:13Speaker 1: Hussan was too smart to leave it somewhere investigators could find,
- 22:16Speaker 1: the young prosecutor decided to let their number one suspect
- 22:20Speaker 1: lead them to it. To do that, you'd need to
- 22:23Speaker 1: employ a brand new investigative tool that had only been
- 22:26Speaker 1: legalized a few years before, But it turned out to
- 22:29Speaker 1: be exactly what they needed to blow this case wide open.
- 22:38Speaker 1: Part three. The tape.
- 22:41Speaker 6: I was at the Justice Department and I was in
- 22:43Speaker 6: the criminal prosecution unit, and at some point I became
- 22:48Speaker 6: head of the criminal prosecution unit, and it probably overlaps
- 22:52Speaker 6: with this story.
- 22:53Speaker 1: That's Peter Peshick. He's retired now, but he had a
- 22:56Speaker 1: long and successful career in Wisconsin state government.
- 23:00Speaker 6: Donald z Eibelder, Judge Eyebelder, came down to the Justice
- 23:04Speaker 6: Fire headquarters and we sat down and talked about the project.
- 23:07Speaker 1: Peter had known Donald for a long time. The two
- 23:09Speaker 1: had debated each other in high school and then been
- 23:11Speaker 1: a part of the same debate team at the University
- 23:14Speaker 1: of Wisconsin Madison. They shared a mutual respect for each other,
- 23:18Speaker 1: so Donald knew his friend would be happy to help
- 23:20Speaker 1: with his novel idea for prosecuting Brian who sung.
- 23:24Speaker 2: So Peter and I then drafted an application that had
- 23:31Speaker 2: to be approved by a Senior Circuit Court judge to
- 23:35Speaker 2: allow for a wiretap.
- 23:39Speaker 1: Wiretapping has been around for as long as people have
- 23:41Speaker 1: been talking on the telephone, but before this case, it
- 23:44Speaker 1: had never been used to investigate a murder In Wisconsin.
- 23:48Speaker 1: Congress made wiretapping a federal crime in nineteen thirty four,
- 23:51Speaker 1: and the practice remained an illegal investigative technique until the
- 23:55Speaker 1: late nineteen sixties. That's when, in an effort to give
- 23:59Speaker 1: law enforcement at up on organized crime, Congress reversed course
- 24:03Speaker 1: and passed the Omnibus Crime Control Act of nineteen sixty eight.
- 24:07Speaker 1: This law put guardrails around when the FEDS could and
- 24:10Speaker 1: could not tap someone's phone, and state legislators quickly passed
- 24:14Speaker 1: their own versions of the law that governed state level investigators.
- 24:19Speaker 1: Peter and Donald were both part of the team that
- 24:21Speaker 1: wrote Wisconsin's wiretapping law, and Peter, who describes himself as
- 24:25Speaker 1: a progressive libertarian, was keen to make sure the technique
- 24:29Speaker 1: wasn't abused.
- 24:30Speaker 6: The whole idea of electronic surveillance laws is to minimize
- 24:34Speaker 6: their use and to use it when it is not
- 24:39Speaker 6: the tool of last resort, but certainly one that is
- 24:43Speaker 6: not used any more frequently than necessary.
- 24:46Speaker 1: While Peter agreed that tapping Husong's phone might be the
- 24:48Speaker 1: only way to find the location of that thirty six rifle,
- 24:52Speaker 1: he knew there were a number of legal hoops they'd
- 24:54Speaker 1: have to jump through to execute their plan.
- 24:57Speaker 6: Well, he had to demonstrate that the a defendant would
- 25:02Speaker 6: in fact use the telephone we were going to wiretap,
- 25:05Speaker 6: either the telephone had to be in the name of
- 25:09Speaker 6: the target, or you had to demonstrate that the target
- 25:14Speaker 6: would use that telephone on some level of frequency.
- 25:18Speaker 1: In this case, that was easier said than done. Who
- 25:21Speaker 1: Sung was living with his girlfriend and her name was
- 25:24Speaker 1: on the lease. The law prohibited them from tapping her
- 25:27Speaker 1: phone without solid evidence that Whu Sung lived at that address. Fortunately,
- 25:32Speaker 1: Peter had seen this situation before in a previous case
- 25:35Speaker 1: targeting organized crime.
- 25:37Speaker 6: We had had a similar situation in Milwaukee, and what
- 25:41Speaker 6: we did there was we attempted to sell life insurance
- 25:46Speaker 6: to the target defendant and in the process he put
- 25:51Speaker 6: a phone number down that we could reach him at.
- 25:54Speaker 6: Judge Zeiden Milder heard this story as we sat together
- 25:57Speaker 6: in Madison at Department of Justice, and over time he said,
- 26:04Speaker 6: I have an idea.
- 26:05Speaker 2: I was so full of pisson vinegar at that time.
- 26:08Speaker 2: So I got a hold of my a friend who
- 26:09Speaker 2: was a florist to mine, and I had him borrow
- 26:14Speaker 2: his florists truck and his uniform. I put it on
- 26:17Speaker 2: a deputy and I sent the deputy with a dozen
- 26:21Speaker 2: roses to this address and I had him pound on
- 26:24Speaker 2: the door, and when Brian came to the door, he said, oh,
- 26:28Speaker 2: I have these roses for missus sellers. And Brian said, well,
- 26:32Speaker 2: she doesn't live here, and he said, well who are
- 26:34Speaker 2: you And he said why am i? I am Brian Hussan.
- 26:37Speaker 1: Well do you live here?
- 26:38Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I live here. So I had that deputy's
- 26:41Speaker 2: affidavit in my search war to say, that's why I
- 26:44Speaker 2: should be able to tap this phone, because that's where
- 26:47Speaker 2: he lives.
- 26:48Speaker 1: The second standard they had to meet was to prove
- 26:50Speaker 1: that Hussung would likely use that telephone to discuss the
- 26:54Speaker 1: criminal activity they were investigating. No one can predict the future,
- 26:58Speaker 1: but they thought they knew how to courage their suspect
- 27:01Speaker 1: to pick up the phone and mention that thirty odd six.
- 27:04Speaker 6: What we would do is harassed the living daylights out
- 27:08Speaker 6: of the target defendant and his family to the point
- 27:12Speaker 6: where Brian would be using the telephone in furtherance of
- 27:17Speaker 6: his crime. I we said, ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
- 27:21Speaker 6: I think that'll work. I think that will constitute probable cause.
- 27:26Speaker 1: With the affidavit from the deputy and the rest of
- 27:28Speaker 1: the plan in place, they went to the judge and
- 27:30Speaker 1: applied for the wiretap warrant.
- 27:32Speaker 2: And I was so antsy about this whole thing that.
- 27:35Speaker 2: I had the circuit judge come to my home and
- 27:39Speaker 2: we had the hearing in the basement of my house
- 27:41Speaker 2: because I didn't want to do this in the courthouse,
- 27:43Speaker 2: because I didn't it was so sensitive to me that
- 27:46Speaker 2: I didn't want anybody to have any idea that something
- 27:49Speaker 2: like this was going on.
- 27:51Speaker 1: The cloak and dagger routine worked. They got the warrant
- 27:53Speaker 1: without tipping off their suspect, and FBI agents climbed the
- 27:56Speaker 1: telephone pole outside Husong's house to install there tap device.
- 28:01Speaker 1: Then they set their plan into motion.
- 28:05Speaker 2: So once I had the warrant, how do I stimulate
- 28:08Speaker 2: him to use that phone? Well, I know, I'll start
- 28:11Speaker 2: issuing search warrants for every one of the son of
- 28:14Speaker 2: a Bitch's relatives places.
- 28:17Speaker 1: One of those locations was the home of Husng's grandmother,
- 28:20Speaker 1: who lived near the scene of the crime. The warrant
- 28:22Speaker 1: said they were looking for a rifle and they hoped
- 28:25Speaker 1: she would relay this information to her grandson. Sure enough,
- 28:29Speaker 1: she did, so.
- 28:30Speaker 2: They called me and said, you got to get over
- 28:33Speaker 2: here right away. You gotta get over here right away.
- 28:35Speaker 2: So I come over and they got it. Then it
- 28:38Speaker 2: was a tape. You had a tape recording. That's how
- 28:41Speaker 2: you know. That was the technology then, so they said
- 28:45Speaker 2: listen to this, listen, listen, listen this. So it was
- 28:47Speaker 2: his phone and he's dialing, and then the phone rings
- 28:51Speaker 2: and then these voices. Brian, Grandma is a you yeah, yeah, Brian,
- 28:56Speaker 2: that's me, Grandma. That gun if you got that gun, Oh, Brian,
- 29:02Speaker 2: don't you worry. I've got that gun where nobody's ever
- 29:05Speaker 2: gonna find it. Don't you worry about that. You don't
- 29:08Speaker 2: have to worry about that.
- 29:10Speaker 1: The gun wasn't exactly smoking, but that's about as close
- 29:13Speaker 1: as you can get without watching your prime suspect pull
- 29:15Speaker 1: the trigger. Donald got another search warrant for the grandmother's house,
- 29:19Speaker 1: but this time he had special instructions for investigators.
- 29:23Speaker 2: I get my deputies together and I say, now here's
- 29:25Speaker 2: what I want you to do. I want you to
- 29:28Speaker 2: get eight pound malls. I want you to get wrecking
- 29:32Speaker 2: cool bars. I want you to bring a blowtorch. I
- 29:35Speaker 2: want you to go in there like you're going to
- 29:37Speaker 2: take that house apart, brick by brick and drop that
- 29:41Speaker 2: stuff on this floor so that she hears it all
- 29:43Speaker 2: about it.
- 29:44Speaker 1: Donald stayed in his office waiting for news from the sheriff.
- 29:48Speaker 2: And you can imagine, you know how tense I am.
- 29:51Speaker 2: The phone rings and it's the deputy sheriff who had
- 29:54Speaker 2: it at the time. Says, well, I'm here, Don, but
- 29:58Speaker 2: he's she doesn't have the gun. I said, what the
- 30:04Speaker 2: hell are you talking about? I said, put her on
- 30:07Speaker 2: the phone. I says this you missus Hassan. Let me
- 30:11Speaker 2: tell you right now. This is a district attorney from
- 30:14Speaker 2: Brown County, and there are plenty of room in the
- 30:17Speaker 2: jail for more than one Hussan. So I'm telling you
- 30:20Speaker 2: right now, if you don't turn over that gun, I
- 30:25Speaker 2: will tear your house apart, brick by brick and stone
- 30:31Speaker 2: by stone. There will be nothing standing. I will destroy it.
- 30:36Speaker 2: Do you understand? And then she blurts out, but the
- 30:40Speaker 2: gun isn't here. And then, as God is my witness
- 30:43Speaker 2: and as great as life is.
- 30:46Speaker 1: Well, where the hell is it?
- 30:47Speaker 2: I said? And she says it's.
- 30:49Speaker 1: Over at Ruth. Ruth was Brian's aunt, but the DA
- 30:53Speaker 1: didn't have to apply for another search warrant. Brian's grandmother
- 30:56Speaker 1: took the deputies over to Ruth's house and got the
- 30:59Speaker 1: gun herself.
- 31:00Speaker 2: Sure as shit, you know about half an hour later,
- 31:04Speaker 2: my deputies called me, oh god, we got the gun.
- 31:07Speaker 2: Well what have you got? This is how close? This
- 31:10Speaker 2: was all totally disassembled, the stock, the receiver, the firing pin,
- 31:18Speaker 2: the barrel, all in plastic, all in different wrapped in
- 31:22Speaker 2: different plastic bags. So if we had got anywhere near that,
- 31:26Speaker 2: all those pieces would have flown east river the swamp,
- 31:30Speaker 2: if you know what I mean. We had never been
- 31:32Speaker 2: able to do it. We rushed it down to this
- 31:35Speaker 2: date crime lab. They assembled it, they fired it. Their
- 31:40Speaker 2: firearms experts said that the bullet fired from that gun
- 31:43Speaker 2: is identical to the bullet found at the scene of
- 31:46Speaker 2: the crime, the thirty odd six that killed me, all
- 31:48Speaker 2: the same. I had the guy arrested within twelve hours
- 31:51Speaker 2: of that report.
- 31:53Speaker 1: Brian Hussang was behind bars and with the deer rifle
- 31:56Speaker 1: in hand. Donald was confident in a conviction, but questions
- 32:00Speaker 1: still remained what happened that night in Sensiba. Was Neil
- 32:04Speaker 1: killed because he confronted the wrong poacher on the wrong
- 32:07Speaker 1: day or was he the victim of a premeditated assassination.
- 32:12Speaker 1: That question still haunted this investigation, not to mention Neil's
- 32:16Speaker 1: family and finding the answer proved even more difficult than
- 32:20Speaker 1: identifying the man who pulled the trigger. Part four the trial.
- 32:30Speaker 1: When Brian Hussong's trial began on April fourth, nineteen seventy two,
- 32:33Speaker 1: District Attorney Donald Zeidmulder wasn't leaving anything to chance.
- 32:38Speaker 2: Then we went to trial and I had the DNR
- 32:44Speaker 2: fly an aerial photograph of Sensiba and I had that
- 32:49Speaker 2: enlarge to show the area of the crime.
- 32:53Speaker 1: He had a model of the crime scene built so
- 32:55Speaker 1: the jury could see exactly where Neil's remains were found,
- 32:58Speaker 1: along with where investigators believed he was killed.
- 33:01Speaker 2: So part of my trial stuff is I had a big,
- 33:04Speaker 2: you know, eight foot by six foot sandbox for lack
- 33:07Speaker 2: of a better term. But it was all done just
- 33:10Speaker 2: like you see, you know in the movies where it's
- 33:12Speaker 2: a total replica of the crime scene. And then I
- 33:16Speaker 2: had everybody when they testify, I have him get off
- 33:18Speaker 2: of the stand and then point to the jury on
- 33:22Speaker 2: this thing where these various things were found.
- 33:25Speaker 1: Husong never testified in his own defense, but his mother
- 33:28Speaker 1: took the stand to explain what he was doing the
- 33:30Speaker 1: dan Neil was killed.
- 33:32Speaker 2: His mother testified at the trial. This could not have
- 33:37Speaker 2: happened because he was home canning tomatoes with me. That's it.
- 33:46Speaker 2: Nobody else saw him there. You know, I said to
- 33:49Speaker 2: the jury, I said, well, as far as that testimony,
- 33:52Speaker 2: what mother wouldn't say anything for to help their son?
- 33:55Speaker 2: That's all I said. And I've tried a lot of cases,
- 33:58Speaker 2: and I always try to watch jurors. When I talked
- 34:02Speaker 2: about mothers saying anything for their sons, all the women
- 34:05Speaker 2: on the jury nodded their heads, are like, well, that
- 34:08Speaker 2: should be. I think I got that right.
- 34:12Speaker 1: Whose songs alibi was weak, But the most damning piece
- 34:15Speaker 1: of evidence was that deer rifle and his frantic attempt
- 34:18Speaker 1: to hide it. To drive this point home, Donald called
- 34:21Speaker 1: an expert who verified the identities of the voices on
- 34:24Speaker 1: that historic telephone call.
- 34:27Speaker 2: I had this Michigan State Crime Lab involved, because in
- 34:31Speaker 2: those days they are a thing called voice identification. So
- 34:35Speaker 2: then this guy flew over here and he said, to
- 34:38Speaker 2: his reasonable certainty, the voice is Grandma, and the voice
- 34:42Speaker 2: is the defendant, Brian.
- 34:44Speaker 1: The final piece Donald wanted to address was how exactly
- 34:48Speaker 1: the murder unfolded and why Donald wasn't required to explain
- 34:53Speaker 1: who Sung's actions, only that he carried them out, but
- 34:56Speaker 1: he still wanted to give the jury some explanation for
- 34:59Speaker 1: why the twenty one year old did what he did.
- 35:02Speaker 2: Well. I argue to the jury that what happened here
- 35:07Speaker 2: was he had built up all this animosity toward law enforcement.
- 35:13Speaker 1: Neil left his truck on that day because he heard
- 35:15Speaker 1: the poacher shooting ducks with the twenty two.
- 35:18Speaker 2: I believe a reasonable scenario was he went out there,
- 35:22Speaker 2: he caught him red handed, he reached to begin writing
- 35:28Speaker 2: citation or whatever it is, and then Brian just went
- 35:32Speaker 2: berserve because I can't explain this other than just uncontrollable rage.
- 35:37Speaker 2: Why would you shoot somebody in the face five or
- 35:40Speaker 2: six times, they're now down on the ground. Why would
- 35:44Speaker 2: you then either have with you or you know, a
- 35:47Speaker 2: thirty odd to six and do a contact shot to
- 35:49Speaker 2: the back of the head and then cuts the head off.
- 35:53Speaker 2: I mean, I just told the jury it just demonstrates
- 35:58Speaker 2: uncontrolled rage.
- 36:00Speaker 6: Everything he was saying that we were picking up not
- 36:03Speaker 6: necessarily on a telephone, but just people he had been
- 36:06Speaker 6: talking to, and all that just suggested he was just
- 36:10Speaker 6: a volcano to use. I think the judges words.
- 36:13Speaker 1: Peter thinks who sung removed the game Warden's head, not
- 36:16Speaker 1: as a rational attempt to hide his crime, but as
- 36:19Speaker 1: an additional punishment.
- 36:21Speaker 6: Hey, you know I'm gonna punish you, and I'm going
- 36:24Speaker 6: to cut your head off. It just left me with
- 36:27Speaker 6: the feeling that it was spontaneous.
- 36:30Speaker 1: Husung never said why he killed Neil. He never admitted
- 36:33Speaker 1: to doing it in the first place, so any theory
- 36:36Speaker 1: is speculation. But there was also evidence to suggest that
- 36:40Speaker 1: it may have been more cold blooded than Donald and
- 36:42Speaker 1: Peter believe. As I mentioned earlier, a conservation warden named
- 36:47Speaker 1: Dale Mory was one of the lead investigators on this case.
- 36:50Speaker 1: He spoke to me Eater's Pat Durkin before he passed
- 36:53Speaker 1: away and laid out the scenario he believed was the
- 36:55Speaker 1: most plausible. He said, quote he could have gone into
- 36:59Speaker 1: the swamp and started shooting with his twenty two, knowing
- 37:02Speaker 1: le Fabe was nearby and would investigate. Le Fayv got
- 37:05Speaker 1: shot while walking a game trail heading that way. Given
- 37:08Speaker 1: the setup and what we found, it looked premeditated. What
- 37:13Speaker 1: Maury is referencing is a site close to where Neil
- 37:16Speaker 1: was killed, where the vegetation had been compressed. It looked
- 37:19Speaker 1: almost as if someone had lain in wait for the
- 37:22Speaker 1: game organ to walk past. As you already heard, investigators
- 37:26Speaker 1: also found another potential grave that had been dug several
- 37:29Speaker 1: months earlier. Maury believed that Hussong had planned to kill
- 37:32Speaker 1: Neil after his citation for a pheasant poaching the year before,
- 37:36Speaker 1: but just never got the chance. Whether he removed Neil's
- 37:39Speaker 1: head in a fit of rage or to throw investigators
- 37:42Speaker 1: off his scent, we may never know. But as it
- 37:45Speaker 1: turned out, his decision to use the deer rifle to
- 37:48Speaker 1: commit that monstrous act is precisely what led to his arrest.
- 37:52Speaker 2: And then at the conclusion of the trial, I think
- 37:55Speaker 2: they maybe deliberated two three hours, whatever it was, they
- 37:59Speaker 2: found him guilty.
- 38:04Speaker 1: In those days murders in Wisconsin found guilty of first
- 38:07Speaker 1: degree intentional homicide immediately went to prison on a life sentence.
- 38:11Speaker 1: The judge accepted the jury's decision sentence who sung to life,
- 38:15Speaker 1: and ordered him straight to prison.
- 38:17Speaker 2: I had gotten up from my desk where I was
- 38:20Speaker 2: a prosecutor, and I was standing by the door, and
- 38:23Speaker 2: they walked him right by me, and he got about
- 38:26Speaker 2: three feet from me. He turned around and pointed his
- 38:29Speaker 2: finger at me and said, I'll kill you. You little son
- 38:31Speaker 2: of a bitches if it's the last thing I ever knew.
- 38:35Speaker 2: And so the judge, who was a great jurist by
- 38:40Speaker 2: the way, said to me, don did you hear what
- 38:43Speaker 2: he said? I said, what are you talking about? He
- 38:46Speaker 2: said he was gonna kill Oh no, I said, I
- 38:49Speaker 2: thought he was pointing to you. And then the judge
- 38:54Speaker 2: kind of turned white. I said, no, no, I'm just kidding.
- 38:57Speaker 2: I'm just kiddy.
- 38:58Speaker 1: It takes a special kind of per to laugh off
- 39:00Speaker 1: a death threat from a deranged murderer, but it helps
- 39:03Speaker 1: you understand why Judge Sidemulder is still going strong at
- 39:06Speaker 1: eighty three years old. It was also easy to joke
- 39:09Speaker 1: about it when he knew Whose Song was headed to
- 39:11Speaker 1: prison for the rest of his life. At least it
- 39:15Speaker 1: would have been if Who Sung had stayed in prison.
- 39:22Speaker 1: Part five. Jailbreak. On August twenty ninth, nineteen eighty one,
- 39:28Speaker 1: officials at a prison in Dodge County, Wisconsin sent out
- 39:31Speaker 1: a troubling warning. According to the newspaper The Daily Citizen.
- 39:36Speaker 4: Authorities from the Fox Lake Correctional Institute today issued a
- 39:39Speaker 4: statewide alert for a convicted murderer who escaped from the
- 39:42Speaker 4: prison Friday night. Authorities are seeking Brian Hassong, thirty one,
- 39:46Speaker 4: who was serving time for the decapitation slaying of Brown
- 39:50Speaker 4: County Conservation Warden Neil LeFave.
- 39:52Speaker 1: The warning told residents to be on the lookout for
- 39:55Speaker 1: a brown haired, blue eyed man wearing a blue shirt,
- 39:58Speaker 1: blue jacket and jeans who song was no longer the
- 40:01Speaker 1: scrawny kid who had angrily threatened Donald as he was
- 40:04Speaker 1: marched off to prison. He stood five foot nine inches tall,
- 40:08Speaker 1: and his decade behind bars had turned him into a
- 40:10Speaker 1: sturdy one hundred and eighty pounds. He'd spent his time
- 40:14Speaker 1: working out and reading books on survival, and according to
- 40:17Speaker 1: Warden Moury, he'd built himself into a physical specimen. That's
- 40:21Speaker 1: partly why the last line of the prison's public service
- 40:24Speaker 1: announcement set everyone on edge.
- 40:26Speaker 4: The song is extremely dangerous, he threatened witnesses at his trial.
- 40:31Speaker 4: Authorities said he may be headed for the Green Bay area.
- 40:35Speaker 1: Donald knew that if Usan was headed for Green Bay
- 40:38Speaker 1: bent on revenge, the former DA and his family would
- 40:41Speaker 1: be first on the list.
- 40:43Speaker 2: You know, I'm a pretty self confident person, and he's
- 40:47Speaker 2: not the only one that's ever threatened to kill me.
- 40:50Speaker 2: In the discharge of my duties. I didn't really have
- 40:53Speaker 2: much fear for Tonessy and fear for myself, but I
- 40:56Speaker 2: was always just got sick about that anything might happen
- 41:00Speaker 2: to my wife and my kids.
- 41:02Speaker 1: Donald was out of town when he was told about
- 41:04Speaker 1: who Songs escaped, so he immediately sent his wife and
- 41:07Speaker 1: kids to another house they owned in Door County, where
- 41:10Speaker 1: the local sheriff agreed to station deputies nearby. The DA
- 41:14Speaker 1: wasn't the only one who took precautions. Everyone involved in
- 41:17Speaker 1: Whu Song's prosecution was in danger, including Peter Peshick and
- 41:21Speaker 1: his family.
- 41:22Speaker 6: The target got away ten years later from a state prison,
- 41:26Speaker 6: and when he did, you know, they're going to.
- 41:27Speaker 4: Kill all of us.
- 41:28Speaker 6: I'm on the road. Was on the road all the
- 41:30Speaker 6: time at the Justice Department, and so you know, we
- 41:33Speaker 6: warned my wife that if something goes on, she's called
- 41:37Speaker 6: the police department right away. And in fact, there was
- 41:40Speaker 6: all kinds of strange noises in the house one evening.
- 41:44Speaker 6: She was sold to go into one room with the
- 41:46Speaker 6: three kids and close the door and wait for officers
- 41:50Speaker 6: to arrive.
- 41:53Speaker 1: The noises that night turned out not to be the
- 41:55Speaker 1: escaped murderer, but you can imagine how terrifying those days
- 41:59Speaker 1: were for the detectives, prosecutors, and their families. Nikki LeFave,
- 42:03Speaker 1: who would have been about twelve years old when Who
- 42:06Speaker 1: Song escaped, never mentioned fearing that her father's murderer would
- 42:09Speaker 1: go after the le Fay family again. She'd had a
- 42:12Speaker 1: happy childhood being raised by her mother and stepfather, but
- 42:15Speaker 1: Neil's loss remained an absence she couldn't quite articulate.
- 42:19Speaker 5: There was times that, yes, I did wish that Danny
- 42:23Speaker 5: Neil was arone, because you miss that bond that you
- 42:30Speaker 5: have with your mom or your dad that isn't there
- 42:34Speaker 5: anymore now.
- 42:35Speaker 1: The man responsible for that gap in her heart was
- 42:38Speaker 1: on the run, and no one seemed to be able
- 42:41Speaker 1: to find him. Police get no answer and hunt for
- 42:44Speaker 1: Who Song screamed, a Green Bay Prescazette headline from September third,
- 42:48Speaker 1: six days after Who Sung had escaped.
- 42:51Speaker 4: Law officers converged Wednesday night on a rural Sawyer County
- 42:55Speaker 4: telephone booth, hoping to apprehend convicted murderer Brian Hassong, but
- 42:59Speaker 4: the booth was vacant when they arrived, and bloodhounds failed
- 43:02Speaker 4: to pick up a cent strong enough to lead searchers.
- 43:05Speaker 1: Officials believed who Song had made a phone call to
- 43:07Speaker 1: a local jail from that telephone booth. Someone eating at
- 43:10Speaker 1: a nearby restaurant had seen a man there matching Who
- 43:13Speaker 1: Song's description, but it was the caller's voice and request
- 43:17Speaker 1: that tipped off law enforcement.
- 43:19Speaker 4: The Sawyer County Sheriff's Department was acting on a phone
- 43:22Speaker 4: call received at the jail from a man described as
- 43:24Speaker 4: having a deep, tired sounding voice. The man asked to
- 43:28Speaker 4: talk to Mary Conrad.
- 43:31Speaker 1: It's unclear how Mary Conrad met Brian Who sung. The
- 43:34Speaker 1: thirty two year old Sheboygan. Woman didn't have a criminal record,
- 43:37Speaker 1: at least none that was reported in the media. She
- 43:40Speaker 1: may have known Who Sung from before his time in prison,
- 43:43Speaker 1: or became acquainted as part of some kind of prison ministry. However,
- 43:47Speaker 1: they became romantically entangled. Conrad was the key to Whose
- 43:51Speaker 1: Songs escape. Jim Chiswick reports that the pair had been
- 43:54Speaker 1: planning the jail break for ten months, and they ironed
- 43:57Speaker 1: out the details during Conrad's last to the prison on
- 44:01Speaker 1: August twenty eighth. Here's a report from the Green Bay
- 44:04Speaker 1: Press Gazette from September of nineteen eighty one.
- 44:07Speaker 4: A Song escaped Friday night from the Fox Lake Correctional
- 44:10Speaker 4: Institution by cutting through two chain link fences with a wirecutter.
- 44:14Speaker 4: A woman is believed to have helped to Song escape.
- 44:17Speaker 1: We don't know exactly how Hu Song got his hands
- 44:20Speaker 1: on these wirecutters. Jim Chiswick believes that Conrad tossed them
- 44:23Speaker 1: over the fences at a spot that guards couldn't observe,
- 44:27Speaker 1: but they were never recovered, and officials at the time
- 44:30Speaker 1: speculated that whose Song might have crafted them himself in
- 44:33Speaker 1: the prison workshop. However, he acquired the tool, he waited
- 44:37Speaker 1: until around eight thirty pm to sneak out into the yard,
- 44:40Speaker 1: cut the fences and run. Conrad had parked not far away,
- 44:45Speaker 1: and she'd packed food for a few days, along with
- 44:47Speaker 1: a suitcase full events clothing and a map showing routes
- 44:51Speaker 1: to several northern cities. The pair hit the road for
- 44:54Speaker 1: two days until August thirtieth, when an off duty policeman
- 44:58Speaker 1: near the town of Hayward observed a car driving erradically
- 45:01Speaker 1: around nine pm. Hayward is three hundred and sixty five
- 45:05Speaker 1: miles northwest of Fox Lake Prison, so he didn't immediately
- 45:09Speaker 1: assume it was the escaped convict. He thought it was
- 45:12Speaker 1: a drunk driver, so he radioed the on duty officers,
- 45:15Speaker 1: who stopped the suspected drunk. According to local media, the.
- 45:18Speaker 4: Man got out of the car and was asked to
- 45:20Speaker 4: produce his driver's license. He approached the car, but wheeled
- 45:24Speaker 4: around and struck the policeman in the face. The man
- 45:26Speaker 4: got back in the car, ran over another officer's foot,
- 45:29Speaker 4: and then backed into a Sawyer County squad car before
- 45:32Speaker 4: driving away.
- 45:33Speaker 1: Mary was still in the passenger seat, and I can
- 45:35Speaker 1: only imagine what she was screaming at her would be
- 45:38Speaker 1: boyfriend as he pinballed between the squad cars. But whatever
- 45:42Speaker 1: she said, Husung didn't wait to hear any more. He
- 45:45Speaker 1: slid to a stop in front of a roadblock the
- 45:47Speaker 1: state troopers had hastily set up on the east side
- 45:50Speaker 1: of town, flung open the door, and ran into the woods.
- 45:55Speaker 1: Mary found herself alone in the car, and it didn't
- 45:57Speaker 1: take long for officials to figure out what was going on.
- 46:01Speaker 4: Mary J. Conrad, thirty two of Sheboygan, pleaded no contest
- 46:05Speaker 4: Thursday to a charge of aiding and a betting. A
- 46:08Speaker 4: felon Circuit Judge Alvin Kelcey ordered a pre sentence investigation
- 46:12Speaker 4: for miss Conrad, accused of providing a getaway car for
- 46:15Speaker 4: the Song, who was serving a life term for murder
- 46:18Speaker 4: and remains at large.
- 46:20Speaker 1: Mary was in custody, but she wasn't cooperative. She lied
- 46:24Speaker 1: about her identity, and even if she had known where
- 46:26Speaker 1: whose Song was likely to go, she probably wouldn't have said.
- 46:30Speaker 1: But I doubt even Brian had much of a plan
- 46:32Speaker 1: in mind. He stole a second car the same night
- 46:35Speaker 1: he abandoned Mary, but upon being spotted by police, he
- 46:38Speaker 1: left that car on the side of the road and
- 46:40Speaker 1: fled into the thick brush west of Hayward. Over the
- 46:44Speaker 1: next three months, investigators followed up on potential sightings up
- 46:47Speaker 1: and down the length of Wisconsin. The Green Bay pres
- 46:50Speaker 1: Gazette published a map showing each location along with a description.
- 46:54Speaker 1: Here are just a few.
- 46:56Speaker 4: September second, a man matching Hassong's description stayed in a
- 47:00Speaker 4: Stephens Point motel. Police go to the motel, but the
- 47:03Speaker 4: suspect is already gone. September three, a masked gunman robs
- 47:07Speaker 4: the Pulaski State Branch in Swamaco. Brown County police say
- 47:11Speaker 4: ha Soong is a suspect in the twenty four thousand,
- 47:13Speaker 4: six hundred and thirty dollars heist September twelfth, acting on
- 47:17Speaker 4: a tip that his song is staying with an ex
- 47:19Speaker 4: convict friend in Madison. Police combed the capital city for
- 47:22Speaker 4: the killer unsuccessfully. October two. Monoqua Police Chief Terry Beslin
- 47:28Speaker 4: says he is quite positive a man seen in a
- 47:30Speaker 4: local tavern on September ninth and twentieth who calls himself
- 47:34Speaker 4: Brian is Hassong. However, there is no trace of the suspect.
- 47:39Speaker 1: Hussong was smart, in good physical condition, and an experienced woodsman.
- 47:43Speaker 1: He was able to survive a night or two in
- 47:45Speaker 1: the woods if he had to, which gave him more
- 47:48Speaker 1: options for evasion than a less outdoorsy fugitive. As time
- 47:52Speaker 1: were on, newspapers documented the frustration and concern felt across
- 47:56Speaker 1: the state. One report from October twenty eighth claim that
- 48:00Speaker 1: jurors in whose Song's trial had started carrying weapons, and
- 48:03Speaker 1: a headline from the Green Bay Prescazette said the manhunt
- 48:07Speaker 1: was quote fizzling. The Sawyer County sheriff told the same
- 48:11Speaker 1: outlet that quote anybody who wants to get shot, they
- 48:14Speaker 1: better start running around in the woods. Up here in
- 48:16Speaker 1: Sawyer County. We're not playing around. In a shockingly honest moment,
- 48:21Speaker 1: the Brown County sheriff told the media, quote where he's
- 48:24Speaker 1: at now, I just don't know he could be anywhere
- 48:27Speaker 1: by now. The good news was that all that public
- 48:30Speaker 1: concern continued to generate leads. The Chaunau County sheriff, whose
- 48:34Speaker 1: jurisdiction covered an area northwest of Green Bay, said he'd
- 48:38Speaker 1: been getting tips since October that Whose Song might be
- 48:41Speaker 1: hiding out on the Stockbridge month See Indian Reservation. Those
- 48:45Speaker 1: tips started to sound more credible after a pulpwood dealer
- 48:48Speaker 1: in the area reported running into an irate man who
- 48:51Speaker 1: fired a handgun round between his feet. One of the
- 48:54Speaker 1: gunmen's companions told the pulp dealer, quote, that's the guy
- 48:58Speaker 1: who killed the game. Warden investigators began digging into landowners
- 49:03Speaker 1: on the reservation, and they soon found a potential connection
- 49:06Speaker 1: to Who Sung through a man known in news reports
- 49:08Speaker 1: as Felix.
- 49:10Speaker 4: Felix has two sons in the wapan Correctional Institution, where
- 49:14Speaker 4: his song served part of his sentence. It is possible
- 49:17Speaker 4: that this is the connection that led him to the reservation.
- 49:20Speaker 1: Felix agreed to rent part of his property to his
- 49:23Speaker 1: son's friend from prison. We don't know whether Felix knew
- 49:26Speaker 1: who Whose Song was or how the fugitive earned money
- 49:29Speaker 1: to pay his rent. What we do know is that
- 49:31Speaker 1: Husung built a twelve foot square shack from cardboard and
- 49:35Speaker 1: cedar poles, which he filled with supplies such as venison guns, ammunition,
- 49:40Speaker 1: and grocery items like soup, bread and detergent. From these supplies,
- 49:45Speaker 1: it was clear he'd been living there for several weeks
- 49:48Speaker 1: and he planned to wait out the winter, but he
- 49:51Speaker 1: didn't get the chance. The officers arrived around five am
- 49:54Speaker 1: on Thursday, December tenth and split up into several groups.
- 49:58Speaker 1: Some of them searched the nearb cottages to make sure
- 50:01Speaker 1: whose Sung wasn't there, while others waited for daylight to
- 50:04Speaker 1: approach Who sungs hide out from all angles. When they
- 50:07Speaker 1: arrived within one hundred and fifty yards of the shack,
- 50:10Speaker 1: one of the officers used a bullhorn to call out
- 50:12Speaker 1: for whose Song to surrender, but to their surprise, rather
- 50:16Speaker 1: than being met with a hail of gunfire, they were
- 50:19Speaker 1: met with silence. The reason for the unexpected calm became
- 50:24Speaker 1: apparent to one of the officers. A few minutes later,
- 50:27Speaker 1: Don Schoenhoffen was part of the line of officers approaching
- 50:30Speaker 1: the shack, but he'd stopped to take a leak. As
- 50:33Speaker 1: he relieved himself in the pre dawn light, he saw
- 50:36Speaker 1: a man emerge out of the shadows. He was horrified
- 50:39Speaker 1: to realize that it was who Song, holding a rifle
- 50:42Speaker 1: in one hand and a milk jug in the other.
- 50:45Speaker 1: That day could have ended very poorly for Don, but
- 50:47Speaker 1: incredibly Whose Sung didn't recognize him as a police officer.
- 50:51Speaker 1: Jim Chiswick reports that who Sung mistook Don for someone
- 50:55Speaker 1: he knew named Dave and asked how's the hunting. Don
- 50:59Speaker 1: said it hadn't been too good and the cold was brutal,
- 51:01Speaker 1: and who Sung grunted his ascent and walked away. Peter
- 51:05Speaker 1: Peshick told me the fugitive had arisen before dawn to
- 51:08Speaker 1: chop wood.
- 51:09Speaker 6: When they were after Brian. They expected him to be
- 51:12Speaker 6: at the cottage. It was six o'clock in the morning,
- 51:15Speaker 6: when that's when you want to arrest people, and he
- 51:18Speaker 6: was already out in the back chopping wood when they
- 51:21Speaker 6: came across him. They did not expect to find him
- 51:24Speaker 6: at that pile of firewood. At six o'clock in the morning, who.
- 51:28Speaker 1: Sung made it back inside his hut, but soon realized
- 51:31Speaker 1: his mistake. Officers spied the man standing in his doorway
- 51:35Speaker 1: and ordered him to come out. Instead, he ducked into
- 51:38Speaker 1: the shack and e merged with a thirty six rifle.
- 51:41Speaker 1: He ran around the side of the building, spinning and
- 51:43Speaker 1: raising the rifle as he fled.
- 51:49Speaker 4: The Song was hit in the lower face, neck, and chest,
- 51:53Speaker 4: as well as the arms, hands, and right thigh. The
- 51:56Speaker 4: latter wound was apparently sustained when he spun from the
- 51:59Speaker 4: impact of the bullets to the chest.
- 52:01Speaker 1: Authorities said Husong fell but pointed his rifle at an
- 52:05Speaker 1: officer holding a shotgun. The fugitive was hit with a
- 52:08Speaker 1: load of double up buckshot and died on the way
- 52:11Speaker 1: to the hospital. Investigators traced Husong's thirty six to a
- 52:15Speaker 1: burglary at a hardware store, and a subsequent investigation revealed
- 52:19Speaker 1: that while Husung hadn't fired a shot, his rifle had
- 52:22Speaker 1: been loaded with one round in the chamber, four in
- 52:25Speaker 1: the magazine, and the safety off as he fell in
- 52:28Speaker 1: a hail of bullets. The killer was holding the same
- 52:31Speaker 1: kind of rifle he'd used to decapitate Neil A Fae
- 52:34Speaker 1: just ten years earlier, Part six, Honoring a Hero. After
- 52:45Speaker 1: the media frenzy died down in early nineteen eighty two,
- 52:48Speaker 1: Neil A Faye's story fell out of public consciousness. The
- 52:51Speaker 1: wardens remembered what happened, as did the residence of Swamiko,
- 52:55Speaker 1: the village just to the west of the Sensible Wildlife Area.
- 52:58Speaker 1: But Neil's family were that the life and service of
- 53:01Speaker 1: their brother, husband, and father would be forgotten, so they
- 53:05Speaker 1: set out to honor the fallen game Morden in a
- 53:07Speaker 1: way he would love, and so that future generations of
- 53:10Speaker 1: hunters and anglers would always know his name.
- 53:13Speaker 7: And whereas, it is appropriate that all members of Brown
- 53:16Speaker 7: County remember the life of this courageous officer, devoted family man,
- 53:20Speaker 7: an exceptional human being who gained his life in the
- 53:24Speaker 7: furtherance of public safety and environmental protection. Now therefore viewed
- 53:29Speaker 7: resolved that the Brown Coming Board of Supervisors hereby directs
- 53:33Speaker 7: that the Swanico Volt launch he reading to the Neil L.
- 53:37Speaker 7: Swanico Volt launch.
- 53:39Speaker 1: That recording is from a twenty twenty Brown County Board
- 53:42Speaker 1: of Supervisors meeting. The year before Nicki had launched a
- 53:45Speaker 1: petition campaign to have the Swamico boat landing renamed in
- 53:49Speaker 1: Neil's honor, and she worked with the Brown County Board
- 53:51Speaker 1: of Supervisors to draft a resolution making it official.
- 53:55Speaker 3: Nicki was soli instrumental in getting things going and getting
- 54:01Speaker 3: involved to get the boat landing project done, and once
- 54:05Speaker 3: she contacted Patty and I about that, then we got
- 54:08Speaker 3: involved too. But she really did so much of the
- 54:12Speaker 3: homework on that.
- 54:13Speaker 1: That resolution was introduced on February nineteenth, twenty twenty, and
- 54:17Speaker 1: the DNR sent a member of its Honor Guard to
- 54:20Speaker 1: give Neil the recognition he deserved. Here's Swamiko resident Kelly Mauchout,
- 54:24Speaker 1: who helped Nicki with the campaign and spoke to Spectrum
- 54:27Speaker 1: News after attending the board meeting and.
- 54:29Speaker 6: Gave me goosebumps.
- 54:31Speaker 2: He walked in with a warden's hat and laid it
- 54:34Speaker 2: down on a chair and then performed a salute and
- 54:37Speaker 2: then walked out very quiet, and I mean you could
- 54:39Speaker 2: have heard a pin drop.
- 54:41Speaker 1: In the video, which you can check out. In the
- 54:43Speaker 1: YouTube version of this episode, the Honor Guard member stands
- 54:46Speaker 1: at attention while the resolution is read. After the members
- 54:49Speaker 1: vote unanimously to approve it, he turns around, picks up
- 54:52Speaker 1: the empty warden hat and walks out. Nicki said she
- 54:56Speaker 1: didn't know the dn R would do that, but she
- 54:58Speaker 1: appreciated the gesture.
- 55:00Speaker 5: I was shocked.
- 55:01Speaker 6: I was happy, but I was shocked.
- 55:04Speaker 5: It was very nice that the DNR did that.
- 55:08Speaker 1: A few months later, in June of twenty twenty one,
- 55:11Speaker 1: the DNR, the county, and Neil's family held a ceremony
- 55:14Speaker 1: to unveil the new boat launch sign with Neil's name
- 55:17Speaker 1: on it. Judge s Iidemulder was there, and Brad told
- 55:20Speaker 1: me he had lunch afterwards at Peggy's house and told
- 55:22Speaker 1: them more about the investigation.
- 55:24Speaker 2: His wife, Peggy and I were in grade school together,
- 55:28Speaker 2: so yeah, that was kind of hard for me. I
- 55:30Speaker 2: didn't realize that so I ran into her. But yes,
- 55:35Speaker 2: and then we had a big ceremony. You all at
- 55:38Speaker 2: sense about dedicating that memorial to him. So she was
- 55:41Speaker 2: there and the family was there.
- 55:43Speaker 1: Judge Sidemulder explained to reporters afterwards that in nineteen seventy one,
- 55:47Speaker 1: parts of the Sensible Wildlife Area had been made off
- 55:50Speaker 1: limits to hunting as part of a larger effort to
- 55:53Speaker 1: conserve wildlife in the state. That's why Neil was posting
- 55:56Speaker 1: those no hunting signs the day he was murdered, and
- 56:00Speaker 1: it may also help explain why whose song harbored such
- 56:03Speaker 1: animosity towards the warden. While hunters today are on board
- 56:07Speaker 1: with most conservation initiatives, it took some convincing to persuade
- 56:10Speaker 1: local outdoorsmen that they could no longer hunt in the
- 56:13Speaker 1: place they used to. Here's DNR's chief conservation Warden, Casey Krueger,
- 56:18Speaker 1: speaking to this point at the ceremony.
- 56:21Speaker 8: His last call of duty. He was actively doing what
- 56:24Speaker 8: he was supposed to be doing to protect our natural resources.
- 56:28Speaker 8: Folks like Neil is why Wisconsin has the resources that
- 56:32Speaker 8: it does.
- 56:33Speaker 1: Peggy told reporters that the dedication of the boat ramp
- 56:36Speaker 1: made her feel like Neil's story had finally come full circle.
- 56:40Speaker 9: It is closure, It is closure, it really is. This
- 56:44Speaker 9: is just something that will be remembered by everybody, know,
- 56:49Speaker 9: which is wonderful, just wonderful.
- 56:54Speaker 1: If you ever get the chance to cast off from
- 56:56Speaker 1: Neil's boat ramp, you can look across the street and
- 56:58Speaker 1: see the sense of a wildlife area there. You can fish, hike, canoe, birdwatch, trap,
- 57:05Speaker 1: ski and hunt. The DNR says that though there are
- 57:08Speaker 1: still some sections close to hunting, the property is known
- 57:12Speaker 1: for its waterfowl and upland opportunities. That's thanks to men
- 57:16Speaker 1: like Neil who didn't shy away from doing their duty,
- 57:18Speaker 1: so that even fifty five years after his death, his
- 57:21Speaker 1: kids and grandkids can still enjoy everything that the Wisconsin
- 57:25Speaker 1: Wilderness has to offer. Thanks for listening to this episode
- 57:33Speaker 1: of Blood Trails. Before I tell you about the case
- 57:35Speaker 1: file for this episode, I have a request. Judge Seidemulder
- 57:39Speaker 1: tells me his impression of the phone conversation between Brian
- 57:42Speaker 1: Husong and his grandmother is spot on. But I'd love
- 57:46Speaker 1: to find a copy of that tape. It's a piece
- 57:48Speaker 1: of history and it should be preserved as such. I
- 57:52Speaker 1: know that giant reel is sitting in some dusty box somewhere,
- 57:55Speaker 1: but the Brown County DA, the Wisconsin Historical Society, and
- 57:59Speaker 1: the Michigan State Police weren't able to find it for
- 58:02Speaker 1: me despite their best efforts, which I do appreciate. If
- 58:06Speaker 1: you know or think you know where that dusty box
- 58:09Speaker 1: might be located, send me an email at blood Trails
- 58:12Speaker 1: at the meeteater dot com if you'd like to see
- 58:15Speaker 1: images from this case, including photos of Neil, Peggy LeFave,
- 58:19Speaker 1: Brian Whusng, and Neil's boat launch. Head over to the
- 58:23Speaker 1: meeteater dot com slash Blood Trails. Thanks so much to
- 58:27Speaker 1: Judge Sidemulder, Peter Peshick, Nikki Degrief, Brad LeFave, Lee Grady,
- 58:32Speaker 1: Jacques Brester, and Pat Durkin for their help and willingness
- 58:36Speaker 1: to speak to me. Pat's article on this case on
- 58:39Speaker 1: the meat Eater website has even more detail than we
- 58:41Speaker 1: were able to fit in this episode, so if you
- 58:44Speaker 1: want more, that's one place to start. See you next time.
- 58:49Speaker 1: Stay safe out there,