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An Unlikely Affair: No One Warned Me About Perimenopause · Untraditionally Lala

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  Speaker 1: Hi Amber, Hi Lolah. Welcome to an Unlikely Affair. Hello everybody,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of An Unlikely Affair. I am
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  Speaker 1: so excited i've been I'm stuttering. I'm so excited. I
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  Speaker 1: don't even know what I'm saying. Today we are talking
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  Speaker 1: to TAM's and Fidel, who I've been obsessed with. I've
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  Speaker 1: been following her on Instagram. She has a wonderful book out.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about perimenopause and menopause. So whether you're in it,
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  Speaker 1: whether you're heading towards it, or you love someone you
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  Speaker 1: know who's experiencing any of these symptoms, this conversation is
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  Speaker 1: for you. It is sure, it is sweet, and is
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  Speaker 1: super informational, and I'm excited to dive into this conversation.
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  Speaker 1: So let's bring her in.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: I'm thirty seven and I've swore for a very long
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  Speaker 1: time that i have all the symptoms right like you
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  Speaker 1: read the symptoms like, yeah, I have an IUD, so
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  Speaker 1: I don't get a period, which can be a little confusing.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard when you do like your blood tests, because
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  Speaker 1: you don't really know where you're at in your cycle.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many things that I want to start with
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  Speaker 1: but I think for the listeners and the majority of
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  Speaker 1: our women who listen to this podcast, let's just give
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  Speaker 1: them like a brief brief overview of what like perimenopause
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  Speaker 1: is and then the transition to menopause.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Perfect, totally, totally great. How do you think they
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  Speaker 3: are like right around that, right around your age?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. I mean it's you know, I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of women now in their thirties are kind
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  Speaker 1: of starting to really educate themselves because you know, amazing
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  Speaker 1: women like you and so many other doctors are really
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  Speaker 1: starting to like shed the light and say, like, this
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  Speaker 1: is something that we really need to talk about and
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't need to be taboo. We need to educate
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  Speaker 1: ourselves so we could even be prepared in the perimenopause
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  Speaker 1: phase when menopause actually hits, and like what actually leads
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  Speaker 1: up to that. And you know, I heard you say
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  Speaker 1: something on your social media about this is the time
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  Speaker 1: where women start going with like couples start getting divorced.
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  Speaker 1: And I really really think like the more we educate
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  Speaker 1: not only ourselves as women, but we're able to educate
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  Speaker 1: our husbands, and then husbands are able to go out
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  Speaker 1: individually and educate themselves to this could be saving a
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  Speaker 1: lot of marriages.
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  Speaker 3: It's so huge, and it's really why we started bringing
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  Speaker 3: men into the conversation because we really thought that that
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  Speaker 3: was important because you know, they could see the symptoms
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  Speaker 3: maybe even before we do, or see what's going on
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  Speaker 3: with us. And so our last film actually really brought
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  Speaker 3: men into the conversation and they want to learn. You know,
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  Speaker 3: they just don't know what's happening. All they know is
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  Speaker 3: are being pushed away or you don't want sex seamore
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, or you know, they just don't
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  Speaker 3: know what's happening. And so yeah, it's a big part
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  Speaker 3: of it. So yeah, we can go into all that
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  Speaker 3: for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so perimenopause, let's start with that. Ye like when
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  Speaker 1: you when what's the youngest age that you would start
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  Speaker 1: saying that someone needs to educate themselves about perimenopause and
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  Speaker 1: where the symptoms actually might be creeping in.
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  Speaker 3: I think with perimenopause, here's what I wish I had known.
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  Speaker 3: I wish i'd known lie at the thirty five, thirty
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  Speaker 3: six years old, I started just paying attention to the word.
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  Speaker 3: So I would say that you know, late late thirties
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  Speaker 3: early forties, you could start having some of those symptoms,
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  Speaker 3: creep in of hormonal shifts, hormonal changes. Periods could be
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  Speaker 3: a little bit different. You could be feeling a little
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  Speaker 3: bit cranky. You could just notice shifts in your body
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  Speaker 3: and your energy, how you're sleeping, any of those Like
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  Speaker 3: you know, there's this big laundry list of symptoms, right,
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  Speaker 3: that's leep, feel like you've got waking, low libido, everything
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  Speaker 3: feels dry, brain fog, all of a sudden. But if
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  Speaker 3: I were if I got to remake the rules, I
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  Speaker 3: would say I wish it was a baseline like we
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  Speaker 3: have for women to get a mammogram or somebody to
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  Speaker 3: get a colonoscopy, to say, okay, thirty eight years old,
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  Speaker 3: let's go ahead and look at everything. How are you doing.
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  Speaker 3: Have you heard of perimenopause? Do you have any of
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  Speaker 3: these symptoms? If you do, let's start talking about some
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  Speaker 3: of those changes. The average peri for menopause in the
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  Speaker 3: US is fifty one years old, and if you think
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  Speaker 3: that perimenopause, that shift could be anywhere from four to
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  Speaker 3: ten years. It's very possible at forty one years old
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  Speaker 3: you could start menopause. And some people started earlier. So
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  Speaker 3: I think that it's really really important to be able
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  Speaker 3: to know those things and pay attention so you don't go, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think myself anymore, or is there something wrong
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  Speaker 3: with me? Or playing whack a mole with all these symptoms.
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  Speaker 3: So you're at one doctor and another doctor, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you went from having a baby
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  Speaker 3: to being you know, to going like what happened to me? Like?
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  Speaker 3: Who am I right now? And I think that's a
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  Speaker 3: big concern I have for young women. But I'm excited
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  Speaker 3: that they know the word.
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  Speaker 1: I had my first baby at twenty one, in my
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  Speaker 1: second one at twenty four. Would you say that women
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  Speaker 1: who give childbirth younger the earlier you start perimenopause and menopause,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I.
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  Speaker 3: Think there's a lot of correlation right now between like
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  Speaker 3: looking at your period and when that started. That would
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  Speaker 3: be more of a correlation. I think with regard to pregnancy,
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  Speaker 3: oftentimes they look at what happened during pregnancy, and they
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  Speaker 3: look at cardiovascular like how your heart is doing, And
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  Speaker 3: so that's an important thing to note. I don't necessarily
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  Speaker 3: know that if you had children, you know at a
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  Speaker 3: younger age that you would start parrying then a pause,
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  Speaker 3: you know, at an earlier age. But I sure know
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  Speaker 3: that there's a lot of time in there right for
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  Speaker 3: you to be paying attention on what's going on with
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  Speaker 3: your hormones. And you're late thirties.
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  Speaker 1: I'm thirty seven. I'll be thirty eight in July.
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  Speaker 3: So have you already started having that conversation with your
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  Speaker 3: doctor or now I have?
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy lately. I mean, I am adhd.
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  Speaker 1: I have severe anxiety. I've always had anxiety depression, but
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  Speaker 1: I've noticed over since I turned And I told Bala
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  Speaker 1: this the other day. I said, as soon as I
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  Speaker 1: turned thirty six, I really started seeing things change, Like
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  Speaker 1: my face just elasticity was not the same. My anxiety.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sleeping. I have suffered from severe night sweats
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  Speaker 1: for the last probably six years, like sometimes to medication,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes due to to stress. But it's very but lately,
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  Speaker 1: as of today, I wake up full out panic attack.
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  Speaker 1: My heart is pounding so fast that like the next
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  Speaker 1: day my heart feels sore like it had like a
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  Speaker 1: really strong workout. And i'ming you have to go talk.
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  Speaker 3: To somebody about that, you really do, because heart meditations Okay,
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  Speaker 3: it's good.
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  Speaker 1: That's a big one. So I actually said too. I
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  Speaker 1: actually wrote doctor Amon, who's my psychiatrist. I wrote him
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  Speaker 1: this morning, and it's so easy as women to put
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  Speaker 1: our health off when we're you know, either driven by
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  Speaker 1: a career and or we have children. It's like we
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  Speaker 1: always put ourselves on the back burner. And I'm really
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  Speaker 1: focusing on like when something comes up with you, you
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  Speaker 1: really need to take care of it, like it's just
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  Speaker 1: as priority because if I'm not well, nobody else around me,
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  Speaker 1: in my in my circle is going to be well.
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  Speaker 1: So I literally wrote him today, I said, hey, good morning,
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  Speaker 1: sorry to bother you. I'm a mess. I can't sleep.
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  Speaker 1: I'm having panic attacks when I'm getting my hair done,
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  Speaker 1: like I'll be in the hair salon and like, I
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  Speaker 1: know this is so bizarre, but if anyone out there
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  Speaker 1: has anxiety, I'm sure you can relate to this. Like
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  Speaker 1: little things of sitting in a hair slan getting highlights
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  Speaker 1: put in, and all of a sudden it will come
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  Speaker 1: on and I'm like, what the heck is wrong with me?
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  Speaker 1: I feel like someone has taken over my brain and
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  Speaker 1: I am not like in control. So now I'm like
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  Speaker 1: doubling down on my prayer and meditation and going for
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  Speaker 1: walks three times a day. I mean, it's like it's
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  Speaker 1: like a full time job making sure that you're yes. Stay.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm so glad you reached out. And don't apologize
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  Speaker 3: for doing that too, by the way, because you deserve
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  Speaker 3: to have those answers that you need. There's just no
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  Speaker 3: question at all. But I understand what you're saying. You know,
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  Speaker 3: aniety that anxiety came up for me, and I had
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  Speaker 3: never had anxiety before. I didn't even I didn't even
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  Speaker 3: understand really what it was. And so on mine was
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  Speaker 3: about driving, which I just realized and I realized I'd
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  Speaker 3: stopped driving for a long time, which I used to
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  Speaker 3: be drive everywhere. And I realized, oh my gosh, I'm
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  Speaker 3: like anxious and avoiding it. And I grew up in
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  Speaker 3: Texas and Florida. I know you couldn't ge anywhere with you.
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  Speaker 3: You didn't drive somewhere. It wasn't like there was a subway.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't you know what I have in New York.
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  Speaker 3: And so I understand it's a real thing. It's a
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  Speaker 3: real thing, and those hormonal shifts can happen really quietly,
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  Speaker 3: and they can go up and down and then they're quiet,
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  Speaker 3: and then they go up and down. And so I
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  Speaker 3: do think that that's so incredibly important. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: was going through my divorce when I now realize I
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  Speaker 3: was also going through perimed upon. So I thought that
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  Speaker 3: a lot of my anxiety was due to that, which
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  Speaker 3: I don't discard discount that. I'm sure some of it was,
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  Speaker 3: but it definitely wasn't everything. It wasn't the reason my
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  Speaker 3: hair was falling out, it wasn't the reason I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: sleeping every night, it wasn't the reason that I had rage.
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  Speaker 3: And so really that's why it's been so important for
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  Speaker 3: me to have these conversations with younger women, because I
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  Speaker 3: sure wish that my mom had been around to do
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  Speaker 3: that for me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so when you go to the doctor and you're saying, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you go to the obgui in I personally think people
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  Speaker 1: that go to family doctors and get all this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, you need to go to a specialist
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  Speaker 1: and really understands and like is educated. When they say okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's do a blood test. I always question if the
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  Speaker 1: blood tests are how specific and detailed you need to
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  Speaker 1: get because don't they do blood tests, like when they
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  Speaker 1: check your estrogen, it's an range from like an age
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  Speaker 1: range of women to find like the happy medium. So
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  Speaker 1: is there specific blood test or questions or things that
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  Speaker 1: you should say to your doctor in order to get
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  Speaker 1: a perfectly tailored plan that fits for you and what
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  Speaker 1: you're experiencing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really good. So there's no definitive tests that
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  Speaker 3: can tell whether or not you're in perimenopause. It's a
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  Speaker 3: clinical diagnosis, and so that means that it's something that
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  Speaker 3: a clinician or a menopause specialist or somebody that really
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  Speaker 3: understands this can make by evaluating your symptoms and your
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  Speaker 3: health history. I am like you, like, I really want
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  Speaker 3: somebody who has studied this and paid attention to this.
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  Speaker 3: And there's the Menopause Society that has certified doctors that
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  Speaker 3: have gone through a certification process to really understand all
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  Speaker 3: of this, and so I think that what's important is
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  Speaker 3: to know that. So it's something that a clinician can
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  Speaker 3: make by evaluating your symptoms and your health history. And
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  Speaker 3: so that's why one of the big things is really
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  Speaker 3: keeping track of what's going on with those symptoms because
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  Speaker 3: if you're not keeping track of those, you walk into
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  Speaker 3: a doctor and when you might be feeling completely fine
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  Speaker 3: and then the next day you feel in like garbage again.
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  Speaker 3: So keeping track of those symptoms. Some doctors will order
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  Speaker 3: blood tests to check levels of estrogen and progesterone or FSH,
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  Speaker 3: which is a follical simulating hormone. There's the issue they
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  Speaker 3: measure hormone levels on that particular day and hormones refluctuating,
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  Speaker 3: sometimes greatly from one day to the next. So at
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  Speaker 3: this point, according to Menopause Society, there's no simple test
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  Speaker 3: for peering menopause. And the good news in that is
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  Speaker 3: that if you do have those different symptoms, because people
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  Speaker 3: are like, oh my gosh, I just want a yes
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  Speaker 3: or no. But if you do have an understanding of
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  Speaker 3: those symptoms and you're in that age range and you
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  Speaker 3: don't have reasons that you're not able to take hormone therapy,
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  Speaker 3: a majority of women are able to take hormone therapy
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  Speaker 3: that when in perimenopause you could start that. You don't
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  Speaker 3: have to wait till you're in pairing in menopause to
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  Speaker 3: start hormone therapy, so a lot of women are starting
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  Speaker 3: in earlier than ever before.
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  Speaker 1: So my girlfriend, who's a doctor, she gave me some
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  Speaker 1: estrogen to put on underneath my arm, just like I
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  Speaker 1: think it's point twenty five. I started taking it, and
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  Speaker 1: within like three days, I had acne all over my body.
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  Speaker 3: Are you allergic to the crank?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it was just like the inside arm, and I'm thinking,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, and I'm like, I can't. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want acne. It's you know, I don't want acne all
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  Speaker 1: over my body. And I'm like, I'm not even sure.
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  Speaker 1: So I ended up stopping it. But I'm definitely interested
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  Speaker 1: in starting those things because it will it will help sleep,
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  Speaker 1: it will help regulate, and like, why not get in
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  Speaker 1: front of something before it like surprises you and you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: oh no. Now you're like trying to get a doctor's appointment.
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  Speaker 1: It's three months out before you can actually get in
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  Speaker 1: to see a doctor.
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  Speaker 2: And you're like, so, and maybe a patch too as
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  Speaker 2: a possibility, you know, like that might have been a
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  Speaker 2: compounding cream, a compounding queen, and so I you know,
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  Speaker 2: we're having a difficult time locating a lot of these patches.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of women are saying they're experiencing problems with that,
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  Speaker 3: but I would definitely say this. I would definitely say
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  Speaker 3: that if you can get your hands on a patch,
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  Speaker 3: maybe that's a good way to go about doing it.
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  Speaker 1: Why are people having a hard time getting their hands
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  Speaker 1: on a patch?
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  Speaker 3: You know, back in two thousand and two, we had
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  Speaker 3: a about forty percent of women that were on hormone therapy,
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  Speaker 3: not necessarily the patches, but that dropped off after a
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  Speaker 3: test or after a study that really scared a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people, and now only about four percent of the country,
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  Speaker 3: up to five percent is on hormone therapy. The number
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  Speaker 3: has been ticking up, but the demand is in CREA
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  Speaker 3: seeing so much at this point again for patches, that
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  Speaker 3: they really have to relook at what's going on. So
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  Speaker 3: I spoke before the FDA last week with a small
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  Speaker 3: group of women to say, like, we need to get
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  Speaker 3: manufacturing where we can make, you know, get more patches
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  Speaker 3: out there. So I'm hopeful that's going to happen at
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  Speaker 3: some point, but right now, at this point, we still
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  Speaker 3: have a lot of lot more demand than what we
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  Speaker 3: have product going on out there, and that's going to
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  Speaker 3: keep rising. But I would ask about that, especially if
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  Speaker 3: you're breaking out with acme.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's a common side effect of estrogen, right.
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  Speaker 3: It can well, it can be. It's not necessarily that
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  Speaker 3: you're talking about a compound. So and there can be
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  Speaker 3: all sorts of different Yeah, there can be all sorts
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  Speaker 3: of different you know, side effections depending on things. But
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  Speaker 3: I would pay attention to that because usually when estrogen
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  Speaker 3: level drop is when testosterone remains high, and then you
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  Speaker 3: can have those Heckney breakouts.
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  Speaker 1: Right right, if I didn't want to do if I'm
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  Speaker 1: not ready for that phase quite yet. Are there supplements
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  Speaker 1: that you love?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good question. So you know, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: a doctor.
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  Speaker 1: But I will tell you what I do, So tell
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  Speaker 1: me everything.
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  Speaker 3: Magnesium is my big one for sleeping. So I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if you have problems sleeping, but sleeping glyconate, So
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  Speaker 3: if you have problems sleeping, that is what I would
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  Speaker 3: one hundred percent recommend. We talk about bone health and
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  Speaker 3: we talk about building muscles. So creatine is another one
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  Speaker 3: that I.
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  Speaker 1: Would add in what type of creatine I have?
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  Speaker 3: Ancient Brave is what I'm using right now for my creatine.
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  Speaker 3: That's the type. That's the type I'm using. Like to
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  Speaker 3: just add to things, that I'll literally put it in
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  Speaker 3: my coffee in the morning, I will literally stick it
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  Speaker 3: in a protein shake. It's very simplistic. And then I
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  Speaker 3: also make sure like yes, I do protein. I try
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  Speaker 3: to do as much as possible because I think there's
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  Speaker 3: three things that I'm focused on right now my age,
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  Speaker 3: which are being able to sleep. That's my number number
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  Speaker 3: number one. If I don't do that, I'm not going
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  Speaker 3: to the gym, I'm not going for walks, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: paying it, not meal prepping, I'm not doing any of
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  Speaker 3: the things. I'm not looting weights if I can't sleep
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  Speaker 3: and I'm allows you at work. The second thing that
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  Speaker 3: I'm focused on i'm outside of my sleep, is making
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  Speaker 3: sure that I'm protecting my bones because as you start
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  Speaker 3: to age, we know osteoporosis and osteopenare are two things
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  Speaker 3: that I'm very nervous about. So I have gotten a
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  Speaker 3: DEXA scan so I can take a look at my
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  Speaker 3: body and see where I am and make sure that
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  Speaker 3: I'm not I don't have osteoporosis. And so I got
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  Speaker 3: that those good results about six months ago.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yay.
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  Speaker 3: So to protect my bones, I'm always making sure that
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  Speaker 3: i'm lifting and I have protein, And then I guess
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  Speaker 3: the third thing that I would recommend is vitamin DK
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  Speaker 3: two and vitamin DK two because we just don't quite frankly,
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  Speaker 3: get enough of it. And I think it's really an
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  Speaker 3: important one. If I had to go down the list,
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  Speaker 3: like if I kept going, would I add calcium? I
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  Speaker 3: guess so. But I know myself well enough to know
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  Speaker 3: that I'm not going to take a thousand different things.
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  Speaker 1: What about fish oil? Is that something that you because
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: it's supportive of the brain or is that? I mean?
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: I think for me, I take fishoal because my add
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: and that's something that my doctor Amen recommended. But I
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: wonder if that has any.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: Look if he recommended that for Adhu and he I
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: defer to him one hundred percent. For me maintaining an
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: intake of vitamin DK two to protect against aucioporosis. Is
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: you know where I do it along with exercise. But
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: if you're doing that for a different reason, I would
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: never stop doing that. That's not going to be a
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: problem unless he tells you that, you know, don't worry.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: You can also do a mega threas instead, But why
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: not if he's telling you that's helpful? That's what I
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: would keep doing.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Peptides. Are you on them? Tell me what are your thoughts.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: I am not on them, and I actually was at
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: a conference and had a long conversation about them, and
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: I'd like to look into them more, but I'm not
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: currently because I'm on estrogen, progesterone, vaginal estrogen, testosterone. Those
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: are three supplements I talked about, and I was like,
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: what am I doing with peptides now? So I have
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: not done anything in the peptide space, but I know
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: that there's a lot of conversation about it. You know,
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: there's a ton more research coming on it, and I
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: think in time, if it's something that I feel like,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: I will add to that. But right now, keeping track
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: of everything I'm keeping track of, I feel like I'm
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: in a good, good place at the moment. And tastosterone
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: has helped quite a bit for me.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: And what does to soosterone help you with? Specifically that's
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: helped with lo lebido.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: I think it's really also helped me with muscle mass,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: even though I wouldn't say it's like making me, you know, big, powerful, strong,
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: but I do notice a difference in my tone. So
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: those are the two places that I focus on that.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: You know, some people have said it's helped them with
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: clarity and it's helped them with their mood. But for me,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: those are my two areas, and it's just it's a
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: man's gel. It's like a little piece size, little bit
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: of gel that I take and I put in the
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: back of my leg and has not caused me to
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: break out or anything. It's pretty clean and super simple.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: If you could recommend one food per day that could
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: help women who are going through perimenopause, what would you recommend.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, gosh, one food per day.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Or like one like something that you're like, okay, you need,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: like fibers. So is it raspberries? Is it a handful
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: of raspberries or yeah?
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: I think that's good. I mean, I try to think
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: about two things. I don't eat meat, so protein it's
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: really hard for me to get. So for me, egg
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: that are a big part of things because they're easy
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: to do, whether they're hard boiled or just scrambled easy
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: in the morning. I think fiber is a huge one too,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: And I hate I don't want to give people a
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: big to do list that they're listening and they're like,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: oh my gosh, you gave me twenty things to do today.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: But anything you can get fiber in is really important,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: and if you can't get enough of it, quite frankly,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: in foods, which can be hard. I make a hot
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: browl menopause smoothie in the morning and it has fiber,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: it has protein, and the fiber comes in the form
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: of chia seeds and flack seeds. It has some greens
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: in it, and it has almond milk. It has blueberries
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: banana first, making a little bit smoother, and ice. I
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: mix that up and that's kind of how I start
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: my day, so I don't have to have all those
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: things throughout the day.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: No, it's smart, you know. Sometimes I just making hard
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: boiled eggs is like the easiest thing for me, and
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I just keep them in the fraserator. I'll leave them
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: out on my counter and I'm just like whenever I
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: because I notice. For me, if I don't eat something,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I've tried not eating in the morning. I used to
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: do intermittent fasting during the pandemic. That's how I was able.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I was able to lose a bunch of weight. But
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: then I realized it's not so great for my brain,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: and I need protein first thing in the morning with
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: my coffee. If not, I could tell my cortisol is
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: really high. I feel jittery, I feel anxious. I'm like,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I just don't feel like a solid woman trying to
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: take on the world when I don't have all that protein.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but isn't that great that you know that isn't
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: that great that you're not like testing that part out
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: yet and you're getting that protein that first thing in
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: the morning, which you've already you know, like hit maybe
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: hit twenty five or thirty, and then the rest of
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: the day feels so much easier.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And meal prepping is like would be it's ideal, right,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: because it's like half of the time when you're busy
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: woman and you're running around and you're dealing with kids
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: and practices and schedules and meetings, it's like you don't
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: want to eat non nutritional food, right, and it's easy
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: just to go and grab like a bag of chips
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: or your kids snacks that are in the cupboard. I mean,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I find myself doing that all the time. I'm like, no,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: you really need to be thoughtful and pause and like
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: what am I putting in my body? Am I helping
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: am I supporting my next meeting? Am I helping?
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Whatever? That you know? I know, for me, around three
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: or four o'clock in the afternoon, I'm like laid out.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I pick up my kids from school, I come home
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, what do you need? Like you need
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: a coffee and a twenty minute nap and then like
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I could get up and make dinner and we could
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: like start the rest of our evening. But it's just
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: really I think for me, being aware of of how
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you operate in the world, and it's not a one
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: size fits all, And I think that's why it's really
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: important to go get your blood test. Which is really
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: interesting because about five years ago I went and saw
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: a I don't even remember her title, but she had
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: me do a saliva test and that's how she told
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: me I was impairment of pause. I'm spitting in these
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: little vials like five times a day, you know, And
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: it was it was weird and it was gross, and
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I was like spending I don't know, but have you
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: have you heard of that kind of approach to health
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: and finding out if you're in perimenopause?
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, there's a bunch of different kind
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: of tests that people you can get you take a
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: blood test, but really, you know, according to any society
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: out there that's really determining these guidelines, that clinical diagnosis
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: is the most important thing, just because remember, one day
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: you're here, especially in perimenopause, when do you're up here?
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: When you're done here, your hormones are chaotic, They're all
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: over the place. So some people decide like, look, I'm
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: not gonna I'm not going to spend that money. I'm
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: not going to not know, but I want to make
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: sure to take care of myself. So if somebody said
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: to you, look, you've got enough symptoms right now where
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: you are in perimenopause, the question is what do I
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: do Now? Do I start hormone therapy? Am I able
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: to start hormone therapy? Do I feel good doing that?
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: And you can stay on hormone set therapy as long
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: as it's not Look, if you have acne as a
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: result to that, then obviously you're not going to want
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: to do that. But if the hormone therapy is helping
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: you in so many ways, I think that's great. But yes,
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: I know there are salive tests out there for cortisol
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: testing estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, and it helps kind of provide
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: a snapshot of those shifts throughout the day. Right.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: So we were talking about your hair earlier. Tell me
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: what do you think helped grow your hair? Because I
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: think that's like a big thing. There's so many different
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: collagen supplements. It's like now everyone's into putting oil in
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: their hair and castor oil, and it's like, I don't
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: even know where to begin. I want healthier, thicker hair,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: and I know I have a limit because I have.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: This is just what God has given me. But what
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: do you recommend?
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: What do you love?
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Because your hair is.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're so sweet. I really appreciate that and I
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: get it, though I really had a tough tough time
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: with my hair at one point. I mean I was
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: going through I went through a divorce. I told you
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: I was in perimenopause, but didn't know I was in
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: perimenopause and I had never even heard the word before.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: So I was My hair was just breaking. It was
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: just breaking off like crazy. And this was before before
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: I knew about red light therapy or thinking about monoxidil
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: or any of those kind of things before. So I
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: did a couple of things. During that time, I was
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: doing a olive oil like a warm oil scout massage,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: like every time I washed my hair to stimulate the circulation,
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: because that was advice that was given to me. I
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: did overnight treatment. I had to like with olive oil,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: where I was like stopping in it all the time.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: That was helpful to me. I stopped with the heat
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: on my hair, which was a nightmare to do, so
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: it did not always look very good, and I stopped
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: with I spread out my color in a big, massive way.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: But this was before there were different supplements like that
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: that I was paying attention to to grow my hair.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: So I was trying to do it as naturally as
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: I could, and just in terms of there's not like
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: tons of scientific data that all of oil is going
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: to increase your hair growth. But what I tried to
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: really do for it was to make sure that it
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: was healthy, and that was important for me is to
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: make sure my hair was as healthy as possible. But
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: now I feel like there's so many other options out there.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, I've done nutrifole before because I was having
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: problems with dryness and just kind of a brittleness of
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: my of my hair, and so that was one of
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: the supplements that I think has had a lot more
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: research than some of the other things that I've seen
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: out there.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I recently discovered that there's this new Japanese hair place
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: where you go and they it's like a spa for
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: your just your head. I think they're starting to pop
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: up a little bit, like all over the place. I'm
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: sure there's a few in LA if you're are you
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: in New York.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: I go back and forth with both. I'm gonna have
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: to go check this out now.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll send it to you. Okay, good, But it
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: looks so nice, Like imagine like an hour of someone
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: just rubbing your scalp and like, I don't know, I
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: love it. And then like sometimes when they get behind
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: and they get to like the base and they kind
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: of like pull it a little bit. I know it
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: sounds really weird, but there's something that just it just
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: looks delicious and like, I'm going to book an appointment today.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll go to a headspa.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: After I go to my stretch lab, which is another
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: thing I'm really into. I love like styche lab.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: I love stretch lab too. I think it's great. I
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: feel like I get a home massage or like a
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: workout and I didn't even have to do anything.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you have to find the right person,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: but I think this is all part of and I
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: bring out like stretch, like stretching and like I love you,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: and yoga and things like that, and just even going
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: for walks, like I don't feel like I'm not at
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: the point of my life where when I lived in
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: New York, I would go run six miles or I
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: would fast for eighteen hours. I just want to be
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: consistent and gentle on my body, and I think that
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: that's what we deserve, and it's just you're going to
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: get better results and it doesn't feel like another job
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: where it doesn't feel so demanding, because I think we
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: feel as women, it's like not only we you know,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: most of us stress about aging, but it's like, how
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: do we age in a way that we still feel
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: good about ourselves? Like you're as young as you feel
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: in your brain. And sometimes I feel like when I
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: wake up and I'm just like I got no sleep,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: or I check my r ring and it's like your
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: scores like or you've been stressed and like for a
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: week week straight. My line is like red, I'm like,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: what is going on? Like what is just really deep diving.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: So between Stretch Lab and like obviously being in Bozeman
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: and hiking is has been the greatest therapy for me.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Just seem just to be out in nature. And now
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I have to worry about the bears.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: But okay, but.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: There's bears. Ray.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I saw that the Madison or Madison the show that's
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: on with the shelf ireard that I was. They were like,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: bring the bear spray, and I go, is that real?
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Because I've never been I don't know if I've better
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: bears ever.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Either of I but it's very real. And now the
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: bears in in Bozeman are very confused because we had
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: a very life winter and they don't they're coming. They
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: came out early and they're like super hungry and and
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: so now there's just bears and and all sorts of
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: wild creatures roaming around. But whatever. So I want people
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: to be able to listen to this podcast and then
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: go and do their own continuous research and educate themselves.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Where can we direct them besides your Instagram, which by
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: the way, is my favorite place to be.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: You're so sweet By Instagram. I have a podcast at
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Tamsen Show, so we have we all have to do
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: something well, just kind of like something together.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I would love it.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: I try to talk to a lot of doctors on
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: that show, just doctors and specialists. Like I just had
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: an episode it's coming off on foothealth, and I said,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: what's foothealth have to do with your you know, how
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: important is that? And there's so many different things that
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: that way, that's what's exactly. I was like, what is
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: good feet? She's like, oh, your shoes are all wrong,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: your toes, it's a crazy I'm gonna send it to you.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: What's put this up?
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Please?
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: It's crazy. I was like, wait to think about our
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: feet now.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Have you seen the people on Instagram where they take
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: like this scraping thing and they scrape your heel and
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: you see all these like yellowish red like little things
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: inside your heel and they're saying that is a sign
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: of some sort of health problem. By the way, like
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure there's truth to it, and it's
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: just another thing to stress out about. But it's really
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: interesting and I really love that cultural approach to health
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: because it's true, like even our tongue, the things that
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: like the things are our skin, are our eyes, like there's.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: In all matters. I feel like I took all this
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: stuff for granted for so long. It all I was like,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: it's just part of my body. I don't know. So
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: my podcast, The Tamson Show, and then you know, I
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: wrote a book, How to Menopause, and it's for women
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: that are either you know, entering or trying to figure
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: it out. And that's been important to me. And then
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: I have a ton of free resources on the website too,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Tamsonfidel dot com. So I have everything there because I
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: wanted to make sure if you can't if you can't
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: buy a book or don't want to buy a book,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: you still have the access and information. It's really important
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Is it an audio? Yeah, thank god, that is my favorite.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: And I did it.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: It also took me eight hours. Oh good, you know what.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: That's so nice. I love when I hear the author's
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: voice reading the book. I'm such a nerd. I like
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: to I like to listen. It's just the way my
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: brain how I learn and I take an information. I
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: love to listen and follow along and then highlight like
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm back in my kindergarten doing that,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: but it's the best, So thank you for doing the
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: audio version. I'm so going to dive in and I'm
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: going to make my mother read it. Who needs needs?
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: My mom is not on any hormones, and I'm like,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: what are you doing? You're doing yourself.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Do we need to work on your mom first? We
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: need to work on your mom my?
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Gosh? Yes, all right, yell.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Let me know if you need anything, I'll FaceTime or
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: if you need oh.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: My god, I would love that.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: We'll get here taken care of.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. You guys,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I hope you can take away something and from this
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: wonderful episode with Tamsen and please check out her resources.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Her instagram will put it up as well.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Tamson, Thank you, You're wonderful.