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#78: Ernest Moss-Tiffin University · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  coaches and behind-the-scenes folks from around the world in
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  our great Sport. And I'm super excited to welcome
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  our guests today. Help me.
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  Welcome mr. Earnest Moss.
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  As how are you sir? I'm blessed and highly favored.
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  On this side of the earth is, there is going pretty good and I
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  will open up full-time but doing The Hobbit schedule.
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  So we're we're doing in person teaching, as well as I am person
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  coaching start off at the same. I believe progressional most
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  people with smaller groups are in the classroom if your class
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  bigger than 14, countertop that and a half little bit.
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  Then if we're approaching me started working from nine and
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  kind of progressive, what the way up to the progression of the
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  Cities, skylines? You know, I could for ten years
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  before I came over to this side and certainly here on the yellow
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  specifically track and field equipment manufacturer inside.
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  There's some issues with schools closed.
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  No seasons and things like that. But I can't imagine being a
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  coach right now that it's normally a tough thing to do,
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  right? I mean, do the scheduling and
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  processes, and stuff like that. And now having these smaller
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  groups. These I've heard of like almost
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  pods like, you had to coach the same for five kids together
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  because they live together. It doesn't matter what events
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  are you. They are in and things like
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  that, that's just got to be, you know, you've added a lot of
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  complexity on an already complex work to coach and I think we're
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  going to meet situation, like, we're in a profession.
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  Where are we doing a lot of uncertainty on a daily basis.
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  Even though we made plans in place, what is a workout plan?
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  Where they sell meteorite in Terraria?
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  When there's a schedule or travel itinerary Indianapolis
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  and show up? You know, I'll take a line from
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  a great mentor friend of mine, George Williams.
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  You said, you know, what's about?
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  Take away the bonuses. You know, she always approach
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  today with at the end of the day, Looking for a Golf Mill.
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  If you have nothing many takeaways and a lot of bonuses,
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  they tax plan park off. You know, some trying to get a
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  birdie is great, but the expectation is just to
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  trampoline park off of cutting boys.
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  If you're going to listen, anybody listen to Listen to
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  George, has done it all and continues to do a tall man.
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  Love that guy. Yeah, you're right.
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  You know, coaches were so used to doing so much with so little
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  and being so flexible. We definitely do have I think
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  the advantage going into something like this, pandemic.
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  We're okay. It's, I don't want to call it
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  just another day because this is different than what we've ever
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  had. However, maybe track coaches,
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  specifically are the most prepared to be unprepared, the
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  transition and weather and location and what have you
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  absolutely may. I tell you that you and I have
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  been talking to the last few weeks.
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  Really excited to chop it up with you today about some
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  Coaching progressions and coaching career, progressions,
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  not necessarily. You know, when I'm going to take
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  a long jumper through beginning to 20 foot plus long jumper,
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  we're going to talk about your coaching career progression
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  coaching mentality today or we get on that subject.
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  Why don't we take a step back and learn a little bit more
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  about you and your athletic and coaching background?
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  I know you're a Western Carolina grad in a loan from Western
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  Carolina to get the door. Do you want me to?
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  Are you from that area originally or where did you like
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  those High School in track and all that Rowan County and I was
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  born and raised in Salisbury North Carolina.
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  But with the North Branch High School, some people try to ask
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  you, some people have it. Class 95 from 94-95.
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  I believe in 95, we score 248 points at the state meet so I
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  don't know what that was a record number of points or not,
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  but we scored it and everything like that, that we qualify that
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  is that is North Rowan and maybe two mixed up with another guy.
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  I know I've no, of North Rowan, but is that triple jump pie?
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  Is that where all the clues that really good trouble?
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  Jumper ended up going to Indiana.
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  I thought he was from northern 500 mL 2 times Champion, High
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  School, record, and then turn around.
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  And both the triple jump, High School record Friday, going to
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  Indiana. So, yeah, we called the airport
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  and turns with football. Bye.
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  But I also think that you can color the airport for jumping,
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  we had a pretty good history of they had about 48, guys.
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  Jump over 48 feet. Come out of there.
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  Harmony still Junior. What was his background?
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  Why did why such a deep successful civically?
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  In those events? You started, you know, what
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  people thought I was jumping in a mental coach that coaches up,
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  so use about three hundred, fifteen bucks town, and so yeah.
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  So there's some different kind of printed out.
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  The other jumping on the old band directors boxes and
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  everything before the knife file boxes that are out there now
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  I'll for kids to jump on or trained on it so you know what
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  you did a lot of hard work and when he learned the event he was
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  able to individualize a lot of different things for us.
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  We did the old school right now to workouts.
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  No, computers tell Batiste to get it to stay because you work
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  out. You know.
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  He passed away about that big ass to have a couple pieces and
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  then I'll just kind of store is missing and you know, what do
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  you think? I talked to him a little bit,
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  you know, when and we all said in Spanish, Did you and summer
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  track? Well, before it really explode.
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  It you know if I remember rolling Express but we kind of
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  word palangi off of the national recognized those drivers.
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  Oh yeah, right. Wow, that's amazing.
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  Where you at jumper. Were you part of that jumps crew
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  of all don't really go over earlier?
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  I may still be on the county, all-time Lewis at least, maybe
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  in the top 10. Maybe I was more cuz I worked
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  Indiana University campus in the summer.
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  So I got to meet you and stuff like that.
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  He look like a white or like a wide receiver in football,
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  right? It is so we actually was a
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  strong safety on it to Atlanta, well, that makes sense.
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  That scene, he was daring and do you have a great great, great
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  coach that end up meeting later on, but Greg was the first one.
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  I was a senior. So my coach, of course, you
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  could not jump around and down there, then you had a couple
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  good knee surgeon. So, yeah, she asked me to go and
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  work with Greg. So so very fortunate to work
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  with Greg and Alabama final score of the Arizona State.
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  That's so cool. I love that.
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  You said North Carolina had a good career there.
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  When did the actual profession of coaching?
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  Kind of inner your mind, did you always grown up your high
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  school? Think you were going to be a
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  coach or what? When did that start triggering
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  for you, bending and certain things just got to work on
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  people. I'm getting really realize that
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  on my path has been charted. The right before my eyes are not
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  me, you know what about it? So, when I was in my fifth year
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  at Western have to come up with the hip surgery.
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  It will be up there. You know, I was going to refund
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  my love and my passenger, let me run to the store and then get up
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  and around 20 to 23, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was out came
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  back cuz I want to come back and and in the midst of that, I
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  still have a little bit of controversy about flip files and
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  that goes that will go back and forth.
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  Of course, outside you do now is breaking the plane.
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  But you know, I was I was always close to hitting, you know, the
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  B Mark R Us's, you do at the Nationals, what before they had
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  the 48, you know, going into the Region's, you know, we only had
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  a few marks, will you get on a provisional?
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  It's not was it so little bit tougher, right?
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  And so, so now you're I said well when you have a chance to
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  go ahead and take the Mark, I was still in pretty good shape
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  and it was laying and was still excited so so I can dream about,
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  you know, grad assistant grad assistant, my thinking is
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  nothing about a master degree, really?
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  But hey you know what? You ain't get a degree while
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  still training closest. I'm by the way to pay my bills,
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  I was training. End up going up to I said, call
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  the Fairfield Connecticut and I really didn't think about
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  coaching and tell it to my head up about 15 years of my career.
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  And I was like, yeah, seriously. That's interesting.
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  So you mention grad school and this was a topic.
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  I wanted to make sure I asked you about.
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  So, doing my research on you, you're so you get your
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  undergrad. I love.
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  I respect it so much cuz his Communications with public
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  relations, which I was a Communications and public
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  relations Majors, that maybe that's why you and I have always
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  kind of clicked since we've known each other for the
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  Decorah. However, I was done with school
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  soon as I got my undergrad. There was never a thought of
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  going to grad school and all that kind of stuff, and I barely
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  made it out with a sheet of paper for my undergrad.
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  So I was done. You went on, I love it that you
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  went on and got a master's degree, you might have the most
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  interesting master's degree I've ever heard of.
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  So I'm going to try to say it out loud.
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  You correct me where I get wrong.
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  So you have a masters of psychology gifted and talented
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  and multiple intelligences. What?
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  What is that? Besides it sounds like you
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  studied. I was going to get.
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  Joe can play that you studied me your multiple and gifted and
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  talented but you didn't you didn't study me.
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  What does that mean? What does talented intelligences
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  under a Psychology major. So when I, when I was looking at
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  gratitude, the positions and understanding sometimes high
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  school, start in September of August and in the Southeast, I
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  had to get Lana into a program on probation just because you
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  know, damn testing MCAT things like that.
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  So when I got into the program, I was against it was like, Hey,
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  I just like to get this job not more.
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  So he'll want to proceed as degree, right?
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  And then in the midst of it, they said wall because I'm out
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  early that program was it was transitioning from a commuter
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  school to a resident school, they said, well, you lie.
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  Design for you to do a southern game for 4 years and then you
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  spend your last year year-and-a-half doing the
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  student teaching and learning some of the other things that
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  receive your master. So, 105, you're programmed
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  correct. So they said, you can pretty
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  much design your own degree. I said no problem.
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  So my inspiration one for running, one of my major
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  operations were on the track as well as getting my Master's
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  Degree. Believe it or not and she's not
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  here on this Earth anymore. As my older sister, bring them
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  all and that she was asking. Now, when we look at the
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  research, she was went from being a manic-depressive to
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  being bipolar. One is schizophrenic.
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  And so, I pursued my Master's in the midst of trying to
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  understand my sister. Talk about the word,
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  understanding later on. So I can see if my dad has been
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  charged without me, even knowing it and then so before she really
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  passed on, Clearly, she always, you know, nothing of interest in
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  my career, but she was always you know, that my are my career.
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  And so I just told us that you would have no reason why I went
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  the right track and you're the sole reason of Steel.
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  So it wasn't like I just heard about those skills.
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  She going to do some coke still like 13 years old, right.
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  But going there and getting induced you to the world of
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  track and field. My dad was a great athlete.
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  Get know about a monk was a great athlete didn't know about
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  it till I was thirty years ago. So it's additional kind of
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  raising up in the black house. Ol keeping secrets ball,
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  football Glee. Now getting those classes and
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  Professor. Sherry Earl, who helped identify
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  what you do, a TDY stand up. When you have to understand at
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  8, Because of the stigma, ADD and ADHD without you for that
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  today. And there were certain things
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  and trying to study in a multiple intelligences, there is
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  9 multiple challenges out there to understand that people have
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  three of the four judges have about five or six it.
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  So, when you really look at the moment, I'm telling you is you
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  really can gain understanding noticing.
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  You never understand again people and how they learn and
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  and how they may receive information and process
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  information on how do you learn? So I love that your sister was
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  your inspiration to learn this. And obviously, she meant a lot
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  to you because I mean, I hate to say that seems like everything
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  stems from your sister's car, as you introduce you to the cover,
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  like what an influence, she had positive influence, she had on
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  you, it did. As you went through those
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  studies that it help. You understand her conditions
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  better. I did it connects you more with
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  her, it did because I like the bass up like every psychology
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  course they had. And and so when you kind of have
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  a certain not in this April We have a certain understanding,
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  your perception and Viewpoint changes cuz now I can understand
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  OK Google call Dallas, that same thing with culture, something
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  they have been a traumatic event may happen or we may have a
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  great Passion, the conversation, but then I can kind of pick and
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  choose our to the conversation if I wanted you.
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  And I both wanted to end the conversation.
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  So there was there was no conflict but you still want your
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  voice to be heard and also you don't want her to feel devalued.
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  And it's really, with my sister, I was learning to be a coach,
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  didn't know, it was going to be a teacher because he also was
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  the one that wanted, you know, like a dog.
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  But when I was like, your workouts are your lesson, plans,
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  your track is your classroom is just a non-traditional,
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  classroom opening, the floodgates opened up on charges
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  of trying to learn as much as I could.
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  I love that because you're right, communication is key,
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  it's interesting how important communication is and yet and how
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  simple communication can be and we are definitely here in 2020.
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  We have so many avenues for deferred communication, right?
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  Social media, obviously you face-to-face Zoom calls things
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  like that and yet it continues to be one of the hardest things
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  to do and do right communicate with others, so much,
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  inspiration from your sister with that, it's so awesome.
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  That's great to learn to walk us through, is Sacred Heart for
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  graduate school. Where were some of the next
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  stops as you go from now I need to find a way to pay for school
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  without schools done. How to talk to us about the
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  actual career coaching real estate home.
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  Networking for my marketing background, really supposed to
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  graduate with a degree in marketing and sales.
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  So but that made you was very early but end up meeting a guy
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  named Just one coat was I knew a guy named Mark Davis, who that
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  may may sound very familiar to you.
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  And Mark Davis actually W test and so you know that name is
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  well, so my next job and don't see me trying to scramble go
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  through. And, you know, it wasn't coming
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  from the power 5. I came from, you know, where a
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  mid-major or mid to buy the best way to put it in.
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  You know, we got Clyde Simmons, you got some rest and Carolina
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  score But now I do. You know, I got you a blue coat
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  at Lehigh and then turn around and go to Lafayette.
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  And why is that so unique? Because Carly and step outside
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  of Army and Navy in college sports.
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  I didn't know that. So, you know, the story I've
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  been where you're only about 15 miles apart and so, they used to
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  think the story was back in the day when people are alive right
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  now. So they would drop the Freshman
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  off on on Leon's campus and they would leave them.
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  And so they had to run all way back from the back to Lafayette
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  to get the story from wrong. And that's kind of how the first
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  Cross Country meets we're going on.
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  And it was figuring out who's freshly to run back to campus
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  and passes. That's going to have a robbery
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  started, right? Indiana basketball football.
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  So you told me, so then from there in the Pennsylvania on
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  down to Davidson College Years of Shadow, Steph Curry and
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  Yandel. And his mom are great people.
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  Learn a lot of good stuff and Gary Gary injuries and so went
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  in there. Pretty quickly up to you.
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  I got to check your head coach 31, Virginia State sign up for
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  the Trojans, and I was able to kind of really see things in a
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  different level on that you have always interested in, you know,
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  we get a lot of coaches in a very few of us will actually go
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  on to become head. Coach is right, there's only so
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  many slots for head coaches when there's, you know, maybe three
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  to four times more slots for assistant, coaches.
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  What did you learn? You got a pretty good history up
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  to this point of you, knowing you, you're in it, right?
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  You know what it means to be tricode.
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  It's your career at this point and then you become a head
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  coach. What were some things that
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  change that time baby? If I surprised you didn't
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  realize you were going to have to do acts, are you to be
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  responsible for a while? I won't force you to pay for
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  Genesis. And this is the roster for the
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  day on the job changed completely.
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  And that was the coldest day of being a head coach outside of
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  sleeping and it was like a rocket ship and and so I had to
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  learn a lot of baptism by fire. Yeah.
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  I was kind of one of those things you like a level 1 level
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  2 and there's ATF education, right?
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  So no one uses the general knowledge of the sport, right?
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  So they got to get your love. Snapshot of every single
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  terraria. What level to get deeper into
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  those areas until the fire is in the snack with nature but then
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  When I when you look at being an assistant coach or you just are
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  not coaching and I had a lot of my jobs, are you said a lot of
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  my jobs intern jobs? They were 1 year or Chandler
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  position that paid a stipend, don't benefit.
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  And so I was, I was still running close to leave early, so
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  I was just not really in that mindset of like bills and I'm
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  really trying to pay rent of that.
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  Just trying to really stay up all day and still, right?
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  So, so from their going into like, really looking at coaching
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  and and really haven't you even lie.
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  I made a goal of mine to learn everything you getting up there
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  today just don't want to be a head.
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  Coach said, I never want my sisters to not know about
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  something or I don't want to add these to suffer because Lack of
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  protein, lack of knowledge. Like the equipment is, right?
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  Because you helped me survive that job a lot of great success
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  and failures. But I was kind of learning and
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  it's been able to help change the energy into the other, you
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  know, 2/3 of my career that so far.
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  So coaches are famous and in a true.
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  But they're famous for saying, you know, you don't learn much
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  when you win. You learn more when you lose,
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  you know you talked about your failures what is it okay to put
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  me on the spot here like that, you mention there's a lot of
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  failures there. What?
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  What's one failure that you can think of that?
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  You might share with us that you that was a big learning for you.
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  Don't think having such a big heart and in understanding that
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  everybody is out there for the same purpose and also where were
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  here except me about 287 on the roster, right?
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  Would you like a football game? But you know at the gate you say
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  we got about 164 and so in the mist of me having to do so many
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  different things, I didn't understand the whole thing of my
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  depth charts in this that whatever because to me track and
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  field is presented as an opportunity sport you know when
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  so ever as opportunity you can go out there and you can run you
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  go out to eat and run jump throw away all those with limited
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  captured off the right runjumpthrow and so that was my
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  Approach but the problem is a business standpoint, not a good
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  decision because now what's going on is because I knew so
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  much about each event and I'm going to check reminder install
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  real big on a really OCD about technique specialist a piece and
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  point I was trying to get it by the bees that technical athlete
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  like me. Can you do that?
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  Could you do that? Basketball was kind of her
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  background but it really do show me like everything for
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  everybody. But that took me five years to
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  understand that. I was, I was a little young, I
• 23:50
  got a relief. Go to the store and look like
• 23:52
  when Jon Gruden first went into the NFL as a head coach and in
• 23:56
  any of his account at Tampa Bay, Inn, failed, miserably a little
• 23:59
  bit, right? You know, the conference
• 24:04
  Championship, everyone, my personal bills wins first time
• 24:08
  together and then follow back up and it will become.
• 24:11
  So, we end up going to end up, going to win a championship.
• 24:26
  But then I learned a lot on paper pretty successful with
• 24:44
  over a hundred and fifty and I pushing a hundred 780 kids at
• 24:48
  Virginia state. How many coaches did you have to
• 24:53
  do that stuff? I tell you because you
• 24:56
  mentioned, it's your roster. Size is a lot like football in a
• 24:59
  football, have a hundred plus almost every campus, right?
• 25:02
  That I can pick up. Anyway, it almost seems like
• 25:05
  they have a tackles coach of guards coach, a center coach
• 25:09
  tide in cahoots. Outside receiver coach insiders
• 25:12
  at me. They've got so many coaches and
• 25:14
  I'm not like I'm not a guy who talks about taking away from
• 25:19
  other sports so that we can have more for track.
• 25:21
  I'm more of a let's grow track that.
• 25:24
  I cannot believe one. Full-time coach for that many
• 25:27
  kids. It's, it's really a disservice
• 25:30
  to the kids as well as the coach who you know, pull your hair
• 25:32
  out. Kind of thing isn't
• 25:34
  understanding Network Dan and and in the process of trying to
• 25:41
  look, listen to go to off and try to get the job done.
• 25:44
  Letting, you know, because you do we have my schedule one time
• 25:48
  will be 6 a.m. practice for for the cross-country kids, or I
• 25:52
  would do all training for the track kids, early in the morning
• 25:55
  and then turning around and do cross-country that was in season
• 25:58
  in the afternoon if that background.
• 25:59
  So really, I mean, a lot of the work ethic in the hardware for
• 26:02
  my upbringing and just my dad, you were working three shifts in
• 26:06
  a row, you know what, the factory.
• 26:08
  And so I just got to take that mentality and just knew it was
• 26:11
  there. Now what I do not all over again
• 26:13
  snow you know. And so are we at we have
• 26:17
  sometimes it's what I'm trying to interview some people but you
• 26:21
  know, When you're not in full control of the other process,
• 26:25
  you know, you just understand procedure and protocol and
• 26:28
  sometimes procedures protocols and always think the person.
• 26:30
  But you, but you still got to follow procedure and protocol a
• 26:34
  good points. So you end up winning conference
• 26:37
  at Virginia state. That's awesome.
• 26:39
  That the high note for sure, where did it take you after
• 26:42
  that? Where did you go from?
• 26:43
  Virginia state, and the ended up, you know working with some
• 26:49
  great people being around straight people, end up coach in
• 26:52
  by 2 in the shoulder jumpers, in the Southeast to doing some
• 26:56
  great things. Antonio Miller who is now
• 26:59
  running at a club in Virginia Staley, been about five foot
• 27:03
  five and the end up going, like, I think like 48 some change and
• 27:07
  door. Then we had a young lady named
• 27:10
  Roseberry, a lawsuit from school, turned it down because
• 27:16
  of the right, everything, but she ended up in like 5 and 3/4
• 27:19
  probably at least 11 to 12 times.
• 27:22
  She was really, but the trick was, she was a world-class
• 27:29
  order. So because of all the years of
• 27:31
  riding a horse in the, other than that, it was work.
• 27:34
  She was a lot of coke into Ecentric strength, training
• 27:37
  continuously. And so you able to take that and
• 27:39
  transferred it into a vertical lift daughter.
• 27:44
  So different, we got plans or see those kind of think so.
• 27:58
  And I love, I love the, the stuff that is like, unexpected,
• 28:02
  right. Do you know where we are on
• 28:04
  track and field podcast and we end up learning and an athlete
• 28:07
  who 5/8 by the way? And I jump nothing to do.
• 28:09
  So that's a big man. Any day, right?
• 28:13
  But she's a world-class sorter so that the horse and she makes
• 28:19
  sheep go one way. And that kind of thing.
• 28:22
  Yes, and yes, maybe she was trying to take the sheet and act
• 28:24
  like a cowboy and the most I ever had.
• 28:36
  I had a really, really good. Quarter mile, are that I
• 28:39
  recruited at Ball State and she's from Ohio, from
• 28:41
  Worthington, Ohio, big time. If I remember correctly, the
• 28:51
  ping, pong. Ping, pong.
• 28:51
  Racket ball. Players are my recruiting calls
• 29:01
  and visits was like we had talked track.
• 29:03
  I was like tell me more than a wreck on the ICF walls of where
• 29:10
  Bayport sport Bruno a little bit.
• 29:22
  I guess there's a, there's a nationally-ranked pickleball
• 29:27
  player, Jackson no one in his age group, so, yeah, I love
• 29:31
  ping-pong ping-pong. So that's, that's a good way of
• 29:37
  knowing, I'm going back to the ballroom documentaries about New
• 29:48
  York City and stuff like that. So it's literally your hand in
• 29:52
  your head, but what is squash a gesture, but I'll be in the
• 30:15
  negative, so bad. There wasn't a lot of lot of
• 30:27
  good. It was too hot so they figure
• 30:29
  out a way to go on play something at Dudley's.
• 30:32
  So they came up with this damn squash to play in the room until
• 30:35
  we look at the world-class squash tournaments during a
• 30:37
  clear Road and it's hitting lines on and they just stand
• 30:40
  there. Hitting a small rubber balls in
• 30:42
  different densities of it. You got it around.
• 30:44
  You have the longer I can look right.
• 30:53
  And so it gets pretty big just put in text what you describe
• 30:58
  sounds like what I have in my head for a racquetball, do it in
• 31:01
  a room with all these blind fools, couple the Court's, the
• 31:06
  same, except on the front wall, where you got to hit it above
• 31:10
  the line and you got it. Like after that one bounce, it
• 31:14
  dies completely as opposed to Wrecking Ball.
• 31:17
  Decided I'm going to look around the ceiling around the world
• 31:20
  that you would have caught up to you.
• 31:21
  You know, you can't get the corner so you really like to
• 31:24
  change it up a little more leveled up close to tennis
• 31:27
  right, listening to the elections podcast, it's going to
• 31:31
  help you with jeopardy with your trivia night.
• 31:33
  Maybe go play, trivia Pursuit with your family.
• 31:34
  You are going to understand Z shots and around the world and
• 31:37
  hit you with all the way all because you listened to track
• 31:40
  coaches man, that's awesome. I love that.
• 31:42
  Okay. But let's let's get back to
• 31:44
  track cuz that sucked as much as squash and Racquetball track is
• 31:48
  its way up here, right? That's way way more interesting
• 31:50
  at least for me. So where we at?
• 31:56
  You are Radford. Coach at Radford some great
• 31:59
  jumpers there. Keep keep going for us, went
• 32:02
  back to West Carolina. Got a chance to really work
• 32:04
  around a lotta and shut up Darren Wilson a great coach
• 32:09
  great. God, great mentor.
• 32:10
  Father, son and I and I was able to actually get my first Women's
• 32:18
  Conference Championship in terms of really at Weston that was
• 32:23
  saying first championship. He got Western shows, I was
• 32:26
  going to come to pay. Homage to him with that cuz I
• 32:28
  miss my car charger cuz they want the man want it.
• 32:31
  But it's good to get the women to gain opportunity to help me
• 32:35
  get the job at Toledo. And so I got a chance to be as
• 32:40
  close to the pop out. If you could be an experience
• 32:42
  the world in Toledo and Mac football and basketball and, you
• 32:47
  know, goes out there in Iowa, State and a great guy to talk
• 32:52
  with him and he was young, but just to see him elevating high
• 32:55
  chair on himself, really. I think That's when I really
• 32:59
  started to look at coaching different 10 years and at this
• 33:06
  point I was 13 years old, 14 years ago.
• 33:09
  What was that? What was being looked at
• 33:12
  differently? You know, and are experiencing
• 33:17
  success? But are you allowed to see?
• 33:19
  Barbie said he had all his success but it wasn't enjoying
• 33:22
  it. So when you look back and look
• 33:24
  on a resume, you see, Champion is reading to call Friday to
• 33:28
  record. You know, I wasn't really
• 33:30
  enjoying because I didn't outside of the training.
• 33:33
  I didn't see any kind of forecasting.
• 33:36
  And so, when I miss her being there at Toledo, I started to
• 33:43
  talk with. When you have a chance to talk
• 33:45
  to the thing, going to clean football coaching, and they had
• 33:48
  won the basketball coach, you know, just chilling out at Unity
• 33:52
  Toledo and see what they are able to do in command and how
• 33:55
  they commanded their athletes me.
• 33:57
  My number one coach. Call Tom's pet center.
• 33:58
  Number 2 is like like a sorry Mike let me know but I mean you
• 34:03
  know and then you go Gino and bob Knight all those guys right?
• 34:06
  And so I started I'm not a literary person verbal and
• 34:13
  auditory kind of learner as well as Visual and so I began to just
• 34:18
  have conversations if they allow me to just talk with great
• 34:22
  coaches. I told you that was still on the
• 34:24
  rise and he was trying to look at myself and I submit myself to
• 34:30
  do stitching years, do you know? But it can you track Jana
• 34:52
  Runway, right? The reading, unicorn orders and
• 34:55
  then come to light Toledo and have to order Lily every piece
• 35:01
  of equipment, you think up on a track meet and then negotiated
• 35:04
  this, all that deal and was like, you know, but but then
• 35:07
  also still trying to be the meat director for the conference
• 35:11
  Championship, right? And so, you know, you can get
• 35:15
  the deal with some good times in the coaches poll, like lost and
• 35:18
  how to kill State, and and connected to go down to Marion
• 35:43
  and Indianapolis and was able to really interact with my Holman
• 35:48
  and another great. God didn't realize that connect
• 35:52
  and all the while Here we go. Now, couple meet for Bravo's at
• 35:57
  Toledo, went down and meet at Family Marci and I will shut up
• 36:00
  RC as a great guy, he was coaching again or what?
• 36:05
  I'm going to say. I'm going to beat him just cuz
• 36:08
  I'm a coach just in a lot of my school work that most people
• 36:22
  never heard of history that I was suddenly without the blue.
• 36:26
  While I was down at Marion School named, Stiles to win the
• 36:32
  NCAA National Championship at the shop around the world.
• 36:36
  In 2016 work with a great staff here with great regret coaches,
• 36:47
  do Elsa, get people, are we talkin to Bailey?
• 36:49
  Banks is open door policy. We have great relationship by
• 36:53
  chance. And I think that's, that's
• 36:55
  really where the meat of Coachmen comes.
• 36:58
  Now, I need to be about relationship to be about,
• 37:00
  collaboration needs to be about understanding.
• 37:02
  And I think, if you go with those three things in there
• 37:04
  alone, and all the little Sports, can you get all this
• 37:08
  done more, but you're just finishing up this past season,
• 37:12
  was your 20th year coaching it? And maybe if you look at you
• 37:17
  said about your 13 things kind of change for you, so maybe
• 37:19
  seven. This is your seventh year,
• 37:21
  coaching in a, in a whole different if you will write.
• 37:26
  So let's talk about it. Cuz you said something real
• 37:28
  interesting about that major. And you've been using the word
• 37:32
  understanding, which we want to get into.
• 37:34
  We talked about the multiple intelligences and, you know,
• 37:38
  that the average person, I think you said has two, three or four.
• 37:41
  And then the Portico Geniuses you have 5 6 7.
• 37:44
  You talked about when I hear that.
• 37:47
  I think about when you're teaching people and you actually
• 37:50
  alerted to this as well. You have some people learn
• 37:52
  better visual. Some people learn better
• 37:55
  auditorily. So you know, is a is a teacher
• 37:59
  and as a coach, I sometimes get the show filmed the kids, some
• 38:03
  kids you need to show more film to some kids, you need to talk
• 38:06
  more. If they explain it more to them,
• 38:08
  some kids, you have to drill your the show, the drill, things
• 38:12
  like that are each each person. They're unique people and they
• 38:16
  learn uniquely. It made me think of that aspect.
• 38:19
  When you talked about these multiple intelligences, am I
• 38:24
  connected to you all day. I mean, you know, somebody's
• 38:28
  linguistic you kind of got to cut out your show on something
• 38:32
  they can read or when you got a, you know, with me, I'll talk to
• 38:35
  are very fast and a lot, so it doesn't like in cochem, mr.
• 38:39
  Let me be a big Achilles heel, so I have to try and talk with
• 38:43
  them and make it a collaboration to wear.
• 38:46
  It has become their idea and it may take a while to take care.
• 38:53
  But one of the things you just said there to explore, you
• 38:56
  talked about how you're a fast talker.
• 38:57
  I think a lot of it has to do from my relationship with you
• 39:02
  and knowledge of you is I think it has to do with your brain,
• 39:04
  can it goes a little bit, like a hundred miles per hour as well
• 39:07
  so it sometimes there's no speed boat for you from your brain to
• 39:11
  your house, you go. And I don't mean that negatively
• 39:14
  but like not just it just spills out sometimes they're a lot of
• 39:17
  things that come out. What responsibility is it?
• 39:20
  Do you think for the coach versus the athletes?
• 39:23
  So is it that these responsibilities to learn to
• 39:27
  listen to the hundred miles per hour?
• 39:28
  Or is there more responsibility on the codes to teach her to
• 39:33
  realize? Oh, this athlete are these this
• 39:36
  section of my athletes, I've got to slow down or backup my
• 39:40
  hundred miles per hour with visuals whose responsibility is
• 39:43
  it here? Liberty Bowl, but I think one
• 39:46
  because the coaches in a position of power and they have
• 39:51
  to approach to understanding and see if they still have to be,
• 39:55
  doesn't understand. No one was going on.
• 39:58
  So when I was in the younger part of my career, they will
• 40:01
  say, you know, as a young coach, you want everybody to be the
• 40:04
  love of sport like you do, but some people may be doing it for
• 40:06
  different reasons school as a part-time job and I'm still
• 40:11
  that, you know, you're going to sleep.
• 40:13
  You attract. After, you know, it was just a
• 40:14
  complete, this help you pay for school.
• 40:16
  That's the way I was beginning to have second part-time job
• 40:18
  with other men to get me to skate like that to me.
• 40:22
  So what is learning is understanding destructible that
• 40:28
  When the athlete doesn't have the same kind of passion and
• 40:32
  drivers, you do then you and tell Miss become the teacher and
• 40:35
  teach them why this is important for them to accomplish what they
• 40:40
  want a copy. So I relate if you go in there
• 40:42
  to look at my resume to say something like as you learn more
• 40:45
  about the sport of track and field Evans related to life, you
• 40:49
  will learn to appreciate both because there's a lot, you can
• 40:53
  learn to be an athlete and how you accomplish things in life.
• 40:56
  And I think in today's times we, we are, we're dealing with and
• 41:01
  maybe will tag this. What do, what do you know you
• 41:04
  got a generation. You know, someone says, just
• 41:08
  give it to him just a kid. Jordan's number 1z.
• 41:14
  Yeah. Because we want them to look a
• 41:17
  certain way, but we never top in the back of it.
• 41:19
  So, the Aztec the responsibility to ask think of accountability
• 41:23
  that aspect of learning is become devalued.
• 41:27
  More more and more. You know, I always joke now and
• 41:29
  tell him, I'm old enough to where I tell him the internet
• 41:32
  was traded in the second semester, my freshman year at
• 41:34
  1996 right here, right? Yeah.
• 41:41
  It was actually, there's a fascinating though, there's
• 41:44
  plenty of fascinating books, but one of the first internet's that
• 41:47
  was right here to University Illinois.
• 41:49
  Right. In the basement, they created
• 41:51
  the internet right here in a little Champaign.
• 41:53
  Illinois, Steve Jobs book, The One That Got Elsa, did Benjamin
• 42:09
  Franklin and a couple others there, there there.
• 42:12
  Amazing, Albert, Einstein, but he also did one called
• 42:15
  innovators of the computer. So, he talks about how your
• 42:21
  computer was named Peter language, and then, of course,
• 42:23
  the internet and stuff like that.
• 42:24
  And it is And I'm terribly embarrassed that I cannot think
• 42:29
  of his name at Walter Isaacson, that's the author's name.
• 42:33
  So, all of his books are like 600 pages except for this one,
• 42:37
  that's in a minute. We'll listen to or maybe that's
• 42:40
  why I say you're not a reader. Yeah, but the audio books today,
• 42:43
  man, that I'm with every book is an audio form and things like
• 42:46
  that. So, sorry, and thank you Mike.
• 42:54
  Holman for, give me that love, you know, I cannot use my food
• 42:57
  stamps to get daylight in 15 minutes kind of creature.
• 43:03
  So engaged for 15 minutes to take a break, then come back and
• 43:08
  get you ever fix your mother's. And that correlates of what we
• 43:10
  doing for the track and field coaches, the other.
• 43:15
  So driven is so competitive. I think sometimes we think,
• 43:19
  like, with reading as the example, like I do, if I can't
• 43:22
  sit down and read for an hour or if I can't sit down and read the
• 43:25
  whole book, will that I'm failing?
• 43:26
  So then Just want to do it. And I don't mean that in a
• 43:29
  negative like, oh then I, you know, I don't try things that
• 43:31
  are hard for me, but I think we please forget and send it to
• 43:36
  that aspect of 15 minutes at a time.
• 43:38
  But we don't have to, you don't have to set the world record all
• 43:41
  at one time, you train the other day at a time.
• 43:43
  So same thing with reading, instead of trying to read the
• 43:45
  whole book or read for an hour, yes it down, put your 15 minute,
• 43:49
  timer to read for 15, put it down to go, do something else
• 43:51
  that, that style of learning that we sometimes, don't think
• 43:55
  about it that way. Because we're just so
• 43:56
  competitive work, which one to get on the runway and job.
• 43:59
  Are we going to get on the track and raise the whole 400?
• 44:02
  You know, we were so driven in that aspect that we forget about
• 44:05
  chunking things and learning that way.
• 44:08
  It really it is. I'm here and I think that's I
• 44:11
  might go to a different in my purse 10 years to now, in my, in
• 44:14
  my last 10 years, in terms of just like approach to the
• 44:18
  milepost, to coach my approach to this, for my approach, to
• 44:20
  learning, you know, adopting certain lingo, you know, so it
• 44:24
  so I sound, you know, professional with Micah Patriots
• 44:28
  and USA to Europe and USA to UFC c, c c, c u r, a c, a o n a i n
• 44:39
  go in and talk to speak with first-year athletes that wear
• 44:44
  their whole career in YouTube and in a lot of speed trainers.
• 44:50
  And and you know, a lot of these athletes that have become so
• 44:56
  specialized instead of just being very generalized.
• 45:00
  So when people come into my fall and training, Drake generalized
• 45:05
  what is very specific and turns up.
• 45:07
  I ain't going to train the body that I want to be able to
• 45:10
  eventually use as opposed to just I want to Tess Tess Tess I
• 45:13
  want to run you really fast on the jump, really far to the kind
• 45:17
  of body because we didn't understand the transfer brittle
• 45:20
  bone syndrome to. Now, the couch potato to just
• 45:24
  sitting with the arcade, your hands are starting in their
• 45:27
  feet. Yeah.
• 45:28
  Right into your skin problems, right?
• 45:32
  So I trained ankles, I told two joints, I trained the lower back
• 45:37
  yoga instructor Pacific and I maybe not typical name or where
• 45:46
  you're coming, you see, it, it gets them all nicely and still
• 45:55
  going current but still being limited old school player, see
• 46:03
  your education. Continues to get better.
• 46:05
  As you not only do coaches, add you mention level 1 and level 2
• 46:08
  and used to FCA has a great coaching.
• 46:11
  Education course you seem like I know you well enough to know
• 46:15
  this. This is true a guy that seeks
• 46:18
  out others that know more than you guys and gals that have done
• 46:21
  it for longer and I love that you've actually mentioned.
• 46:23
  You may have mentioned more other sport, coaches, football,
• 46:27
  and basketball. Then you have track.
• 46:29
  So it seems like you. Your ego is not so large that
• 46:33
  you don't speak at Council and mentorship from outside of our
• 46:36
  sport as well. What is changed for you.
• 46:40
  Not the athletes. We talked a little bit about the
• 46:42
  athletes have changed over the last 20 years.
• 46:43
  When you look back at your one of your coaching career two-year
• 46:48
  20, how have you changed or have you not, are you still doing the
• 46:54
  same things in the same mentality?
• 46:56
  Oh no, by no means. I think is going to last year,
• 47:15
  you know, if I have 20 athletes and Indian Point.
• 47:24
  I'm at a base plan, but I'm have 20 different individual, you
• 47:28
  know, specialize kind of different things within the day.
• 47:30
  It's all I understand the management of it in the
• 47:33
  management of the athlete. The name of the group that I
• 47:36
  learned from other coaches and they were dry cuz you taught me
• 47:38
  this as well as been in the watch other great coaches that
• 47:41
  were Championship or in the coaches and then I will be
• 47:45
  there. No automatic, my group, I went
• 47:47
  on a man has to work out, you know.
• 47:49
  Now we're going to take a lot of coaches.
• 47:51
  You up to today paperwork I need to have to do it.
• 47:56
  But I still enjoy your day is going.
• 48:05
  Well, hurry up and give me a few outfits for your birthday on the
• 48:11
  brightness on yours. Instead of going to practice.
• 48:14
  We're going to practice is we're going to be like for 5:00 6:00
• 48:17
  practices and we're working 70-80 hours, a practice or so to
• 48:22
  buy. They ain't what it used to be,
• 48:23
  you know? And so great to have a great
• 48:28
  facility, great things provided for us about the kids but you
• 48:33
  never can replace to bring what if you didn't have this.
• 48:37
  How do you do it? My boyfriend's level 1 class for
• 48:40
  the movie with Jim Potter, Larry judge, Dan Woolley Gary, Gary
• 48:45
  Winkler Minnesota, high school coach won a lot of cross-country
• 48:51
  championships. Yeah, that was my that was my
• 48:57
  very first little one plastic water high school was, what are
• 49:13
  we before all these great events that are out there, that can
• 49:18
  really help you out, but you ain't got the budget.
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  How do you do it? How do you do it?
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  Like I said, once again, you never let, so I need this the
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  same. I never let the lack of
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  coaching, the lack of knowledge lack of equipment or facilities.
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  To prevent my master happens to a concert with a new gem credit.
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  Same thing, you look at his story, you know how you ball the
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  program is first class as you know, 20 years ago.
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  So I meant to say, was I still do old school, probably will go
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  through training yet, you know? And I think.
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  Is always under written thing that we got to look at European
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  style training and still trying to implement into the message I
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  please. So instead of me sitting at just
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  sitting at home all the time, you look at it you look at it
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  and see how I can apply and really just comes with the
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  lifestyle. So they didn't come from any buy
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  it you have to create that culture.
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  So now we're going to come out to work culture and if you hear
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  it, but you didn't really know what it meant.
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  So much culture in my training is completely different than any
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  other person's culture, and you can come and watch my training
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  now and I'll give you the workout watch.
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  Every Coast is pretty good though, that.
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  I mean, I'm not really doing anything Innovative, you know,
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  if it's the same stuff, right? It's just I'm a put it over here
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  and they put over there and they understand that Mia came from
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  and how I want to do it because it's what we're planning for a
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  purpose which I don't want to go, you know, I change the
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  version instead of saying his goal setting, no purchase
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  setting today What's your purpose in approaching the
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  workout, has a lot of the same stuff that, you know, from
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  another one of them to education and other things.
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  I just said differently to where they're going to understand it.
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  Know what's your intent? When you coming in to practice
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  today? You know, from how you slept the
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  night before you ate as you were covered in the day before and
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  then what's your purpose in doing this right now?
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  And explain the purpose and why we're doing it.
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  So there are some tremendous Podcast in education for
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  coaching the jumper in the Sprinter in the hurdler.
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  And what have you write my purpose?
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  Our purpose here on the connection podcast is this talk
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  about the coach. So I'm going to turn what you
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  just said. They are around about how you
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  coach or athletes. I'm going to turn it to you or
• 51:44
  Anna. So, you talked about whatever
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  goal setting, what is your purpose setting?
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  What do you as you look at 20 years in men?
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  I know that that seems like a long time, right?
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  I mean, you talk about 20 years, like, that's a longtime coach,
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  and you are the same age of roughly the same age.
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  I think I got you by 2 years. I think.
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  I'm two years older than you are the laws for you to disobey be
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  okay. One day I'm Seventy-Six.
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  Okay, all right. So but you know, at 7:40, you
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  know, 344 year olds, you know, there still we have a long
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  runway in front of us we are going to buy me to close to
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  retiring and maybe with the financial scope of life.
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  We never retire or maybe. I don't know, I hope you do.
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  I don't think I'll ever be able to retire cuz I was working.
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  So what is as you look at 20 years behind you and you got at
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  least 20 years in front of you. What for you coach?
• 52:37
  What is your purpose goals? What is your goal?
• 52:40
  Setting your purpose setting for career development for coaching
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  Yo, 2004 conversation with a guy named Raymond Brewer, a friend
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  of mine. Now we were two drivers and in
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  college because he went in that state.
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  And I know it took me two weeks to talk to him and I said yeah,
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  I think that might, my profession was really chosen for
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  me by God's. I said okay well I'm up and I'm
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  not a minister by no means rich guy and I just said, you know
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  God you know, imma do this for you.
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  You know. The next what?
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  19 or 16 years? A lot of ups and downs.
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  Lot about. A lot of the inside of that.
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  Give a shout out to my pastor, Pastor, Steven furtick Elevation
• 53:47
  Church, do you know, and, you know, tell me where the city
• 53:52
  during this game, dammit can even do my joint.
• 53:55
  A detective acts, the guy from go to the six months, I had to
• 53:58
  go home and look in the dresser Uncle who I was named after.
• 54:01
  Dementia, you know, and so cuz it's going to that point in time
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  in a 19 years into into my career, you know, there's a lot
• 54:12
  of stuff with families, you missed you the story about
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  coaches, are they feel like they were greatly missed a lot in the
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  Family Lights like that. That was once I turned 20 hours
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  is, ain't you at the world? 30 years old, you know, still
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  pretty fit. I'm like, yeah, I know this
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  stuff now soon as you hit 40, it's like you watching Marley
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  and Me and Grandma voice. The wind is blowing.
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  I got done over here we looked at 40 or older like oh my
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  goodness foot in the grave at 40 years old and now we're 40 or
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  like a life's just beginning. I'm finally understand a little
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  bit. Play everything that you
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  everything that you know, you kind of get it and be like, oh
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  my God, I can't believe my cousin you going to be here for
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  you. You look up the name success.
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  You know what? You know, and you always trying
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  to serve the boss. So I'm trying to make sure it
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  when I'm trying to get it to him.
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  And he said to tell me because I don't like they're running slow
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  or whatever it's called. They just checking out.
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  What's up brother? How you doing?
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  Good man and I think that I'm right in rolling in today.
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  But, you know, right? But the level of understand how
• 56:42
  do you turn about the jumps, but didn't really embrace all that.
• 56:46
  Whole new system speed training, and rest and everything.
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  Even this past summer, you know, got to talk to you, one of the
• 56:53
  guys I'd like to call and double-check.
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  Let you know what I mean? Like I told you know I got 15
• 57:00
  minutes by myself and I was like the person like that is
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  Institute, 10 seconds and I'm walking away like that just
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  happened a bit, you know, I see you always learning if you know,
• 57:25
  when you get here from Blake guys, on a church where I can I
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  go to conventional loan at least one thing.
• 57:32
  Curtis Robert. He's out of Chapel Hill, right?
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  In front of me, just at certain times, I did not realize I was
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  being mentored. I didn't realize that.
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  I don't receive it right? So like we were at the Armory
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  one time I was sitting with Curtis.
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  I'm sitting at the bar because you know you know Alexis Jordan
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  going to be like chilling right now.
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  Just kind of watching it right now to take advantage of me
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  right now in the jungle. How to take advantage of it.
• 58:33
  So what do you mean by that? What you said that was an aha
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  moment for Jimmy State and go back and look at all the jobs at
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  work really wasn't just one particular job is takes up all
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  the evening jobs and looking at the difference between these in
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  and just and opportunities were different.
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  So just miss me as much as I thought.
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  I actually had the balls to tell me that I realize you do.
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  This is going to be weird when I tell you this.
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  I actually listened with my mouth but you weird cuz I was
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  sending my Mother Teresa with a mouthy with a black ears and
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  throat right out of my system and I want liners.
• 59:24
  Right? So but I I adopt a little bit
• 59:29
  now that we're eating you hear me now Paul's in a little bit
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  now. Still do something may seem like
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  I'm not at all. I'm pulling a lot more now than
• 59:37
  I was 10 years ago, and I'm pausing because like I said,
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  it's not a challenge. He always had to have the kind
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  of doing this anyway, breathe like long and me 23, like,
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  right. And then the ABS light is the
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  truth. And I ran in there and act like
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  Any kind of old man stereotype. You can think of it was him,
• 1:00:35
  Grumpier Old Men to lift your butt guy from the dare.
• 1:00:42
  You do you have to be to drop them in at 2?
• 1:00:45
  So see those two at the same time, right?
• 1:00:47
  And you know but I know people are aggravated.
• 1:00:56
  What? I take my breath, you said I see
• 1:00:58
  him and he said I do it for a reason so that if I take a
• 1:01:03
  breath and give me a moment to think about what I'm about to
• 1:01:07
  say. And make sure that what I say
• 1:01:09
  comes out correctly, like rain in the moment still young and
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  his brother. Oh yeah.
• 1:01:13
  But but but that's one of the things that I took with me that
• 1:01:18
  I've taken throughout my career still working on it, still
• 1:01:22
  working on it and it's improving about it and some people always
• 1:01:24
  want to get it like this unless they want it right now.
• 1:01:27
  I want it right now. Go to Lake.
• 1:01:29
  Well, are you better than you used to be at it right into a
• 1:01:34
  change your approach, right? Continue the Viewpoint, not one
• 1:01:37
  of the other one line. As I say, if your head is down
• 1:01:40
  in your wording, you change how you look at the milk in the
• 1:01:44
  glass, and I was going to put that in the sense of seeing, if
• 1:01:48
  your head is down, the glass always looks half empty.
• 1:01:51
  But if you lift your head up, and look around you and
• 1:01:55
  realizing change your view point, the glasses actually
• 1:01:57
  have. So, in the mister grinding, my
• 1:02:01
  first channel, 12 to 13, 14 years.
• 1:02:04
  Yo, I didn't look up. The best, I never was really any
• 1:02:21
  line on coaching style. I never was really don't
• 1:02:24
  understand what is the full package so that when you have to
• 1:02:28
  get a I was going to buy some people.
• 1:02:30
  How's it going to be? So now we're happy to call me up
• 1:02:34
  and I'll talk to him. I'm seeing a lot of saying
• 1:02:36
  stuff, repetitive me now you start understanding.
• 1:02:38
  This is the meat and it bubbles eventually.
• 1:02:42
  Now you start saying oh and 40 is what I said to go to the 23,
• 1:02:47
  a much different. Now, the conversation with the
• 1:02:50
  athlete, a much different is that if they still do it, if I
• 1:02:54
  wasn't going to work to go do it.
• 1:02:55
  Don't always work. I love that example of Coach
• 1:02:59
  sitting back and taking that deep breath.
• 1:03:01
  I recently read an article about answering questions, more
• 1:03:06
  empathetically being more empathetic, right.
• 1:03:17
  Sometimes I'm a little bit more too much on the direct and
• 1:03:20
  business and get it done type of side.
• 1:03:22
  And this article was talking about the research of pausing
• 1:03:26
  for a few seconds before he hasn't even.
• 1:03:28
  Are you you know, the answer, even though, you know, possibly
• 1:03:31
  how you're going to answer the question or the situation and
• 1:03:35
  the examples that this article gave was talks from Steve Jobs
• 1:03:40
  and I believe he'll on must was the other one and the Steve Jobs
• 1:03:44
  one really sticks out. I know Steve Jobs and Bill
• 1:03:47
  Gates, that's what it was. And where someone in the
• 1:03:53
  audience asked? Bill a question about, you know,
• 1:03:57
  like what do you do? Like he was kind of confronting
• 1:03:59
  Bill. Like you just wasted a lot of
• 1:04:00
  time where you made mistakes with this Microsoft system,
• 1:04:03
  whatever, and bill passed. You the answer, you know.
• 1:04:08
  He knew all the all the engineers is Microsoft.
• 1:04:11
  We've been working on this and thinks that you, he knew it.
• 1:04:13
  I mean, no one knows it better than Bill freaking Gates, Right?
• 1:04:15
  But he popped and was able to give a much more empathetic
• 1:04:19
  answer to help that guy understand why can't?
• 1:04:23
  We certainly make mistakes. Like that's like if you want
• 1:04:26
  Perfection, that's not. There is nothing in it.
• 1:04:28
  Perfection, right? But I really took the hard about
• 1:04:31
  that. That pause before you answer
• 1:04:35
  questions. I I sometimes it for myself, I
• 1:04:37
  have to slow down to help other people understand what I'm
• 1:04:40
  trying to convey. Yeah.
• 1:04:43
  Right. That's a lot of them, you know,
• 1:04:53
  did you eat? Did you feel like they had a
• 1:04:54
  good meeting or do you like, you had a good meeting or did?
• 1:04:57
  They feel like they had a good meeting a while.
• 1:04:59
  What a great question to ask yourself, right?
• 1:05:01
  That's really good. Yeah, I was the meeting good
• 1:05:03
  because I thought it was good. I got all my views out or did
• 1:05:07
  the person I'm trying to help improve my athlete, that they
• 1:05:10
  have a good movie. That's, that's a really good
• 1:05:12
  question. If you touch done mentors, how
• 1:05:16
  is the role of mentors change for you as well?
• 1:05:19
  You got some amazing people in your life inside of track.
• 1:05:22
  Family outside of track with other sport.
• 1:05:25
  How is the role of mentors? Changed over the past 20 years,
• 1:05:30
  for you gotten very blessed. You know, this is one of those
• 1:05:36
  when I was away for six months and I was doing some modeling
• 1:05:40
  jobs, he's trying to be around the family and stuff and my
• 1:05:49
  mentor. I mean, I'll talk to you in the
• 1:05:53
  last four or five Olympic coaches in the last 10 years.
• 1:05:58
  Like he's not just like, oh, I need a just want to Touch the
• 1:06:04
  Hem of your garment called and talked to him and his people in
• 1:06:10
  and and, you know, I was dying because I was able to just stay
• 1:06:14
  here before you were supposed to, like, I'm actually Center
• 1:06:18
  have a conversation with you and really listening to him on the
• 1:06:25
  phone and and, and just people Yeah I know.
• 1:06:29
  And you know what you're saying, a lot about you over here and
• 1:06:32
  we're at a small school and you're like damn these people
• 1:06:36
  are world-class would like to still people are using the other
• 1:06:42
  day in class. I said we don't we don't we do
• 1:06:45
  value. Do the humanistic value of a I'm
• 1:06:49
  living. Right?
• 1:06:50
  So where humans and what I'm talking about, certain events
• 1:06:53
  down, in pandemic opportunity, you know, to be able to talk
• 1:06:59
  with some to some other coaches and I'll just feel like the
• 1:07:04
  opportunity to trade about to go to talk with each other and it
• 1:07:08
  was, it was great. And then of course it changed.
• 1:07:10
  I think a more business-oriented and everything else and I'll
• 1:07:14
  leave it there. But the organic organic and some
• 1:07:19
  coaching them is is is not left and it's still being able to
• 1:07:22
  speak with people who eat least, eat organically.
• 1:07:25
  And then on top of you start looking at while certain people,
• 1:07:29
  Welcome to the scriptures on on, on on your Facebook post and
• 1:07:33
  it's like trying to show up late and so I'm not saying that you
• 1:07:42
  have to be a Christian but what I'm saying is that if you don't
• 1:07:45
  have some kind of solid foundation then you're going to
• 1:07:49
  not know how to deal with her. You're not going to know how to
• 1:07:51
  accomplish problem. So that's what we do is do you
• 1:07:56
  know, I work out since the map but the gear is the road and
• 1:08:00
  then you take the gloss and I like it don't take away the
• 1:08:02
  bones as you hoped throughout the year.
• 1:08:04
  By the way, you take away a couple bonuses and you can't
• 1:08:08
  Park Golf and you do it again. But then you get to a point
• 1:08:12
  where it just makes it look like you.
• 1:08:14
  But after you won a championship coaching with some coaches,
• 1:08:20
  don't even get one or two trying to get 110, right and Champion,
• 1:08:27
  do that. How do you do it again?
• 1:08:30
  This is where it starts getting pressure to you.
• 1:08:33
  How do you do it again? Do you do it with the with the
• 1:08:36
  power side to do with them during side to do its balance?
• 1:08:39
  Can you look up the Mexican national team transferred and
• 1:08:44
  some interest in learning and listening to them processing
• 1:08:50
  information in coming back, texting him again you know or
• 1:08:55
  talk to him again or reading their post directly talking to
• 1:09:00
  the person from just following him in order to see what the old
• 1:09:07
  saying, we learned growing up to be a good leader, you have to
• 1:09:09
  learn to be a good, what each other, they would never run
• 1:09:17
  against each other. Now, you seen the trend over the
• 1:09:20
  last five, to seven years. You like, no, it's run.
• 1:09:23
  You want to put on a good show for everybody because you're
• 1:09:27
  going to make me step my game. It.
• 1:09:29
  So now you even seen it and just do not mean housewife is a
• 1:09:33
  graduate every year so we can all have it, cut the budget or
• 1:09:36
  whatever. So I don't have the part where
• 1:09:39
  you thought I had to come to say, call you up.
• 1:09:40
  It's us and respect money. You got disaster here, they need
• 1:09:45
  opportunity. So if ice versus hey Terry, do
• 1:09:49
  it. Then it is that we don't have a
• 1:09:50
  major, I know you will because now your name is on that.
• 1:09:54
  So now you start valuing your name, you started on your in
• 1:09:57
  your product so it died on you and your people calling you up.
• 1:10:01
  How are you with the front of your colleagues in the industry?
• 1:10:03
  Are you? Well respected or not?
• 1:10:06
  You know what my overall purpose?
• 1:10:08
  Now in coaching is it's involved in a profession.
• 1:10:12
  What allows me to help out as many people as I can?
• 1:10:15
  And that's a great point. I got to give a shout out.
• 1:10:18
  I just saw this recently with Signing Day the other day and
• 1:10:23
  athlete from publicly sick. So I put it on my Twitter as
• 1:10:27
  well, just so soon. With the selfless leadership.
• 1:10:30
  This coach show to Alex heacock the head coach of William and
• 1:10:34
  Mary which of course has been in the news or bad things and have
• 1:10:37
  a good things. They've reversed course and
• 1:10:39
  they're going to keep their Sports which is the right thing
• 1:10:41
  to do. I specifically they're going to
• 1:10:43
  keep their men's indoor outdoor track program which is
• 1:10:45
  absolutely the right thing to do.
• 1:10:47
  Now we've got to work on Clemson and some of the other guys that
• 1:10:50
  are doing this crap Alex had an athlete transfer from William
• 1:10:55
  and Mary to, I believe you in seat until UNC put out the the
• 1:10:59
  Tweet about, you know, such a fleet, you know, signed with us
• 1:11:03
  and whatnot. Alex retweeted that and said
• 1:11:07
  just sang the Praises of that kids at.
• 1:11:10
  Hey, this is Young. I wish this kid the best of
• 1:11:12
  luck, he's going to do great. I'm glad you landed at you and
• 1:11:14
  see what everybody gotta and I was so impressed with that
• 1:11:18
  leadership cuz even if that's obviously who Alex is cuz you
• 1:11:22
  showed it but even if that was him he didn't have to publicly
• 1:11:26
  state that he didn't have to. For whatever reason is kids
• 1:11:30
  transfer, there's a million reasons a kid can and should
• 1:11:33
  possibly transfer schools, but Alex didn't have to publicly get
• 1:11:39
  out there and say, hey, we lost the kid.
• 1:11:40
  This is transferring, and I wish him the best of luck in the
• 1:11:44
  world. What a great kid.
• 1:11:46
  That was such a amazing and I want to see made a love like to
• 1:11:56
  meet up with you do. When a man sometimes it's not
• 1:12:04
  the coach and it's not. The school is not fit into my
• 1:12:10
  past but a lot of time a human beings.
• 1:12:15
  First, I looked at it with that way I look at it as a dadlands
• 1:12:19
  now is a father of little kids. One day, they're going to be in
• 1:12:24
  college and what if their athletes are not.
• 1:12:25
  But I look at like what Alex did they are and I go Man, that's
• 1:12:30
  the type of person I want my children to be around cuz that
• 1:12:34
  that guy Alex is going to do what's right for my kid even
• 1:12:37
  when it's a detriment to himself, he losing.
• 1:12:40
  That kid was a detriment to his program, but he seems like he
• 1:12:44
  did the right thing to help that kid be successful for the
• 1:12:48
  future. And I said into me, and I know
• 1:12:51
  it is, I were talking about Alex here because of the recent
• 1:12:53
  tweet, but, you know, I talked to coaches is, all I do is, I
• 1:12:56
  talked to Coach has all day right at the greatest job in the
• 1:12:58
  world. And there's so many examples of
• 1:13:00
  that. That's what I love about our
• 1:13:02
  Sport. And our people who choose to be
• 1:13:04
  inside of our sport, as we start to wrap up.
• 1:13:08
  What are the words that you said consistently throughout today?
• 1:13:11
  And I want to make sure we touch down what it meant to you.
• 1:13:14
  You said the word understanding quite often talked to me about
• 1:13:19
  that, that there must be some special there.
• 1:13:22
  Something special about that works.
• 1:13:23
  He talks about understanding and not in just in the.
• 1:13:25
  In the term of what the definition of understanding is
• 1:13:27
  but maybe it goes. Where's your pedagogy and how
• 1:13:30
  you teach or how you live. Talk to me about what
• 1:13:32
  understanding means to you. Get all of that all in one when
• 1:13:38
  when I kind of start on the Journey of Purpose Driven Life
• 1:13:43
  and I'll be able to book. Those are not about us like that
• 1:13:46
  but I'm trying to understand really what purpose is.
• 1:13:49
  One of the ways that I trying to post the day is trying to
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  understand, you know what, the person is going through and gone
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  through will go through what I've gone through will go
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  through in that nature and trying address the situation and
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  another shutout even almost like my homie.
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  He was on the rear coaches where are you allowed to lift weights,
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  you got work out and got to work out to where he had.
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  C, a r. S going through a struggle or
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  not just the day off, what I mean, like rest.
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  And so, like we will do anything and quote, the lie that came
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  from a lot of the studies. He did, you know, him and man.
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  And so, he's really science-oriented.
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  So instead of me going to go take a Kinesiology class and it
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  was, it was, it was daily. You know, how do you know,
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  probably, but I'm a question and I think about the chimney, they
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  understand how it's not too serious, you know, she can a day
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  away. It's really am trying to learn
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  in the more, I am so happy that I don't get me wrong.
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  I also just questions, but, but I think just, if I can
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  understand more as opposed to I can understand more some of this
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  doesn't come for me and you know what he says and somebody to
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  walk around and do a lot of stuff and putting it into
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  practice, they don't, you know. So people and using multiple
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  leave it podcast different varieties and capillaries.
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  In this time. In that time, about time you
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  finish, you have no idea they just said that's why I can't
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  like Google. And so he's an amazing teacher
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  drifted in the coach in a little bit.
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  And also let you know that whatever, right?
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  I've been around some really good people.
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  That really give me a lot of stuff to sit through and it took
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  me that long to really just Brew it to really try and put a
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  product out there. So when people start saying like
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  what's your training Pulaski and what's your training this and
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  whatever what's funny is, there isn't A little bit of this, a
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  little bit of that, it's like making a suit and that's really
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  what it is. You know, we're making soup and
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  everybody likes to write. My name is soothing but
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  everybody I think as to get comfortable being uncomfortable
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  and stepping out of the box and relearning, and yourself in
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  humility, even as a coach, you know, you can't just approached
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  a first-year student by saying, right, because as soon as they
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  are freshman, you just given them continuously the mentality
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  of a freshman, and that's your fault.
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  I just called him a first-year student.
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  I used to say your friends, as long as you let somebody call
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  you a question. Now I'm going to tell him I'm in
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  class, so I understand a little bit more.
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  What is alright? Give me rights civil rights.
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  Women's rights disability. Rights of LGBT cue the Aldi's in
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  the things, that's the trend in. So if you're just in your sport
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  only and only looking up games that that apply to your support,
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  only your boxing yourself. What if you have, what if you
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  ask for, lgbtq Ashley, how do you address them?
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  What did you, how do you deal with a with a athlete that came
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  from associate? Not a background that you have
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  never been a part of. How do you adapt to them about
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  as many people as possible as many people as possible?
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  After being exposed to as many people as possible, different
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  outlooks, different backgrounds, right?
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  And have those conversations. Just a simple conversation and
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  then buy you having a conversation with you.
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  Now not devalue, the person you've actually up with the
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  person and sometimes if you just look, the human being they can
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  do amazing things at 1 to 3 with 1 through 4.
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  In the long. Jump that, yeah, we were like
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  two, two, four, six eight employment.
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  Little bit right. There was like four in the
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  triple. Jump on the men's side, right,
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  get it right then and there sometimes training ain't got
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  nothing to do with it. Sometimes it don't.
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  Sometimes it's about understanding when I look at you
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  in your eyes and make a statement.
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  That's one statement just coach them from there.
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  They need to know what there was wasps build their experiences
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  and every great coach has those moments because you see Em Down
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  Road in the. Pat Summitt to Geno to Mike
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  racette skis through to a Carol to a Curtis ride or Jeremy Corea
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  whatever we're continually coaching, but we also need to be
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  able to receive as well. Definition about being in a
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  posture of understanding and not always in a posture of, I know
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  it. You know what, I look at you
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  mention all of the coaches with the carols and Curtis and mouse,
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  and flow of the guys and gals that I've seen continually be
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  successful over Generations, over decades.
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  I should say, they're the ones that are always even though they
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  have a system they're always learning like okay, we learn new
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  things about the body on a daily basis.
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  So okay, what do we put into place?
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  How do I keep tweaking my sis? Done with the new things, have
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  you learned and they realized that the subject that they're
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  working with the athletes, they're changing the athlete
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  that you have today. That eighteen-year-old you have
• 1:20:41
  is it in 2020 is not the same 18 year old to learn that in and
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  how do you change your teaching or tweet your changed, your
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  teaching? I should say two words that new
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  generation been going to let it happen.
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  You know? Like you got to understand it,
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  you got to know where you want to be.
• 1:21:01
  And, and you got to know how to pick on the fly out at 3
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  workout. Somebody at 3, the one I wrote
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  and the two of them. Think about when somebody brings
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  situation has been seasoned absolute.
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  In our time today, looking at your career development and more
• 1:21:35
  importantly, your personal development, how you continue to
• 1:21:39
  learn how to have them into her. Take advantage of that means or
• 1:21:45
  how to be available for that mentor and learn as well as the
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  Pinnacle of x's and o's coaching you.
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  You continue to develop and continue to get better.
• 1:21:53
  I think Tiffany is really lucky to have you and that's another
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  great programs. That's what that's saying
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  something big, right? I mean, they think I had great
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  coaches and have a great day, it's a great place.
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  And it really is to drool letting you know, I work at only
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  grown weary Bob and I mean, yes, he doesn't make sense but we
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  have a lot of goals. A lot of things you want a copy.
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  So you know, when you know more about the relationships about
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  this about the family, you know, yeah, we're about the
• 1:22:24
  relationships with people that want to come and kind of look at
• 1:22:28
  the school and then see what we're doing.
• 1:22:29
  And how is your Saturday in shipping?
• 1:22:31
  How cold is kind of work in there?
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  Wouldn't want to know that we're all different.
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  And, and I think it allows us to be at address to large numbers
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  that we have with the diverse population that we have.
• 1:22:42
  And I think, you know, me and we can offer people and do some
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  classes and work continued growing in the closet, where we
• 1:22:51
  will build it, and I miss them with that.
• 1:22:53
  Damn it. I just said we were recruiting
• 1:22:54
  in the midst of a time. Do you know?
• 1:22:57
  We, we, we sure about the person that's the best, I can every
• 1:23:02
  care about the person and we're going to teach you your sport.
• 1:23:05
  You may not have a national qualifying marks your first year
• 1:23:10
  but I haven't been for years but you're going to get better.
• 1:23:13
  I'm going to get better, not only as an after you get better
• 1:23:16
  as a person. Let's let's I can't stay the
• 1:23:21
  importance of that, right? I mean, we're not all going to
• 1:23:23
  be Olympians and all Americans, but we if we're in college we
• 1:23:27
  should all be getting better as a person and academically
• 1:23:30
  sweetheart in, that degree in Earnest man.
• 1:23:32
  I'm just so thankful. I'm thankful for our
• 1:23:34
  relationship, personally, but I'm just thankful that you would
• 1:23:37
  join us here today on the headaches connections podcast.
• 1:23:39
  I had a great time learning about your career and really
• 1:23:42
  chopping up about coaching mentality and how coaching is of
• 1:23:46
  all for you. Just so, so thankful for you,
• 1:23:48
  man, so much that we don't talk about the other parts of
• 1:23:58
  coaching us, you know. And so I think what you're doing
• 1:24:02
  is a great thing. Yeah.
• 1:24:03
  I knew you would be doing it to watch you from afar and, you
• 1:24:07
  know, known you for a long time. And I really wasn't like, I mean
• 1:24:12
  interview by investigator reporters more, like, I'm
• 1:24:14
  getting them work, like you said, what type of that, we're
• 1:24:16
  friends and everything. So, You got a place over here to
• 1:24:19
  the university, do you come on over here and just chop it up
• 1:24:24
  and she snaps at a high level in.
• 1:24:26
  And she said, people just really having fun in the sport in the
• 1:24:29
  midst of a pandemic and we're doing everything that we both
• 1:24:31
  keep masisi standpoint pressing, all the guidelines sanitizing,
• 1:24:35
  everything. That's something.
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  New add-on beside the right to work out.
• 1:24:38
  Taking Cameron to practice Fastenal, small group.
• 1:24:41
  So what do you supposed to be doing all that you'll be.
• 1:24:44
  You'll be safe too, you know, when and I think you know we'd
• 1:24:48
  like to have and I always will but the one Little Ghetto Boy
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  out there. I think since the beginning of
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  sports tracker. Because without a gate smart men
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  stole but we can bring in numbers that can help populate
• 1:25:03
  the schools in a lot in a, in a million different ways to meet
• 1:25:07
  me at 19 bench that we can recruit for.
• 1:25:09
  So, you know, schools that are that are having problems with
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  with much as I like the enemy. You know, we're, we're we're
• 1:25:16
  pushing ahead when making a Chelsea Central And I think
• 1:25:19
  about temperature about Jimmy going to be in the morning get
• 1:25:22
  off, can you get a good education and then decide to get
• 1:25:25
  some rings and we going to win if you don't want to, that's a
• 1:25:31
  great way to end a man. Thank you again, so much for
• 1:25:33
  being here. You know, your time and
• 1:25:35
  attention is the most valuable thing you can give me.
• 1:25:37
  So I do appreciate your time today.
• 1:25:38
  Glad you liked it. Wasn't that fun?
• 1:25:45
  That's it boys. And girl, that's a wrap a great,
• 1:25:48
  great, great time. I just had right there.
• 1:25:50
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• 1:26:28
  coach. Bye-bye.