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Off-Season Preview (The Pacers Report with Mike Rich, 2.278.1) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

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[SPEAKER_00]: You are listening to the Bacers report with microch every week on the Central Indiana Sports Report and this podcast does include adult language and views you've been warned
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome Pacers fans to the Pacers Report with Mike Rich.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Been a couple of weeks since we were last here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our last Pacers Report, somebody stopped me and said, man, that was a really hard day that draft lottery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Mike Rich just made me feel so much better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because he said, what everybody was thinking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we haven't talked since kind of take took a break for the Pacers, but we're back now, three weeks away from the NBA draft, four weeks away from the starter free agency, which I think is probably going to be more significant for the Pacers, although we will talk a little bit about the draft and what the Pacers might do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the summer league is in July and Mike, if they wear the Pacers on their chest, we're going to be covering it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll be talking about the summer league here as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as of the draft lottery, Mike, it's, uh, Pacers against the world, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Pacers against the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought about that this morning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking, you know, Kevin Pritchard is better at trading than drafting until we probably would have screwed up a top four pick anyhow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am interested to see how those top four top five players play throughout their career to see if that would have been.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they'll fail.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope they all fail.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Overall, I'm looking forward to next season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've grieved enough, I've been pissed off enough, I've been frustrated with the NBA.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Pacers chances in the East is going to be an excellent opportunity next year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes me sick that the next are playing in the final starting tonight, and it should be the Indiana Pacers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I say if nothing else is, everybody all, it makes me hate the NBA, and it does, it makes you hate the NBA.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what it does to me is make me love the pastures even more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They give us no breaks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Zero breaks, yet next year this time, there's a chance the pastures will be playing for an NBA championship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is the plan, everybody back healthy, a good summer league, that does not change.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the depth that we have on this team is extremely solid, we got a good second team, having Haliburton and Zubats in the starting lineup is gonna be a whole different team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are going to contend in the east.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's gonna start out a little rough in the beginning, just building the chemistry with this group.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we're seeing with the fever right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, just like we're seeing with the fever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna have a little bit of growing pains at the beginning of the season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they'll get through those.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's where coaching is going to really come in to keep them together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the past with this team and Halibut and as a leader, I mean, just what they do with each other in the community, the bonds that they formed before the season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great feel and they're going to have a great opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Halibut and starting to thin down a little bit, he's playing a lot of five on five.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's getting healthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be ready for the start of the season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's going to be rocking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be rocking when they start this season with this team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, before we get to my list of names that I have for you of potential Pacer's targets, and I want your opinion on, in general, Mike, do you feel like this, first of all, I think everybody likes the starting five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think what we're mostly talking about is adding depth, but do you upgrade the starting line up if you can or do you go into the season if you're having printed with this five?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really think it just depends what's there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you can improve the starting five, but I don't know what you do to really improve that starting five when you haven't seen the starting five play together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they roll the dices with what they have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they go for depth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, one of those top four picks may have made the starting line up sometime in the season, but it wasn't going to start with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that a rookie come, you know, not in the line up that they have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I roll the dice with what you got.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, we have a great bench.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have depth already.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever we get in the second round is, you know, it's only going to be an opportunity to build our Geely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you're going to upgrade the starting line up, it almost certainly has to be Aaron Neesmith who moves to the bench, but man, he was so good last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't see him very much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was in the lineup for a little while, and then he wasn't, and then he was again, and then he wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But man, when he played, I don't think there's any question he was poised to have his best season yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to go into the season with that starting five and let's see if we can upgrade the bench a little and I'm going to throw some names.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well first I'm going to start with some stars that get your opinion on if the paces are able to make a deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What you're thought on that, but then we'll get to see some serious options that have been floated out there including a couple who the paces have actually said they're interested in making a move on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's start with the unrestricted free agents guys who are unlikely to end up with the spacers, but actually a couple of these are probably really good fits Mike and that's search for the LeBron James.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't stand him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have probably my most hated NBA player of all time, but you tell me he wouldn't fit right into this team almost perfectly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't say he wouldn't fit in this team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, at 41 years old, the man is just unbelievable to continue to play at the level he played last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he is a, if he can come in as a role player, he's a perfect role player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a veteran.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has championship experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He wants another championship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of the ball like the rest of the paces.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think he, there is potentially a place for him, but 60 million a year, no way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Same with Kevin Durant, I assume no interest rate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No interest, if I was going to have interest between the two, it's going to have a lean towards LeBron.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the other one is James Harden, which he's got a player option that he'd be a fool to turn down $40 million.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's going back to Cleveland unless they train him, and he's not
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's worth talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you can see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will take Aaron Eastmeth over harden any day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Harden is just his record is as he goes to a team that is contending and they don't contend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So more outlandish wins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people who are going to be traded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to be honest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at options for you honest, you look around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably the best option would be to
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now he's going to go to one of the bigger markets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to come to Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The faces can give him what he wants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He can give the bucks what they want, and but it's not going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna just say this, fuck the bucks, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We fucked him last year, given him Turner, and why would we want to give him anything of value because that's what they would want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They would want us to trade everything that we got and all the good pieces that we got.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They would want, you know, they would ask way too much for Janus just to try to overcome that the buckle of the trade that they had last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you take a chance on a guy like Zion Williams who's upside, lead you to a championship?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it worked to the point where you just can't count on him at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I worry about his conditioning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was a phenomenal athlete.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That Duke, when he was coming out of college.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: just too much risk, too much injury risk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't play enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not durable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, just not not enough there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, last time I'm going to throw at you, basketball wise fits really well with the Pacers personality wise, probably not if the warrior's trade driven green any interest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The only way I take Dreyman Green is if we have James Johnson to have his back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't like him and I don't want him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't want players that I don't like and that includes will Bronjames.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if he guarantees the patience of the championship, I'm not sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh man, over 52 years old, they won the championship last time when the year you were born, the year before I was born, Mike.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we need a championship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if it takes the guy like LeBron James, even if it took the guy like Dre Montgomery, and I'd probably be willing to stomach it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, now let's turn to some realistic trade targets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some guys that we're starting to hear you could probably, here's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could upgrade a little from Aaron Neesmith, and I'm not sure it's worth disturbing what the paces are doing by upgrading from Aaron Neesmith to trade Murphy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'd move Neesmith to the bench or even worse, you have to use Aaron Neesmith to
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[SPEAKER_00]: and Murphy's good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's really good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to fit in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a guy you can give the ball and score.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to cost a lot salary wise and whatever they have to trade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the kind of guy who's a final piece.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Derek Jones Jr. Michael Porter Jr. a couple of the guys who've been mentioned for the Pacers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think either one of those is an upgrade on here in New Smith to be honest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe a lot in here in New Smith.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even Tray Murphy, I would hesitate to bring in anybody better than anyone in the starting lineup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unless you really think it's the final piece to a championship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's going to put us over that hump and put us winning a championship, absolutely make the trade having pressure and has decision making when it comes to trades.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's Tray Murphy do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think you're rolling a dice there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're going to disrupt chemistry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're already going to have some chemistry issues in the beginning, just trying to get through those, building the starting five.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what you have with Neesmith.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's continued to improve year after year after year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And...
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have him on a good contract right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I why just rub that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why get rid of somebody?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what you have and you know he's going to improve loves playing with the pace or team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just a great fit personality wise player wise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He knows his role.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He plays his role well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're putting anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not complaining.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't just rub that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'd really like to roll into the season with those five in the starting line up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to see some proof of the bench if we can, that's going to be hard to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The bench is so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You start obviously with TJ McConnell and Obi-Top and Jaris Walker had a fine season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not the player that I think that we thought he was going to be out of college.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's going to be a fine NBA player and a definite contributor off of the bench.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So while I think while we're looking at here's Kevin Pritchard making a deal for a role player off the bench to improve the bench and
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[SPEAKER_00]: One name I really like, Mattie Stibel from Portland, a guy who doesn't give you much offensively, uh, but is one of the best defensive players in the league.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as I think the Pacers are changing, as I said, they would a couple years ago, young players just aren't very good on defense, some are, but most are, and when they get their man's strength, they become way better at defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what's happened with the Pacers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, in a taste-tribal and you're talking about a potential of an elite defense, quitting Grimes, a guy who can score off the bench, I think that's more what you're looking for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not a big fan of Jordan Clarkson, but he's another guy who would kind of fill that role.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think if you're looking to upgrade in the front court Walker Kessler man, that would be a really nice upgrade over J. Hough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that back up center Walker castler would be it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a great fit to that second team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The other person, you know, I think is developing that man's drink probably over the summer is going to be Johnny Furfi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to see a big improvement in Furfi coming off that injury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going to be stronger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be a great piece on that second team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the only one I get think, you know, is improving with Jay Huff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, Jay Huff served a good role last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, you know, has a bench player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think 12 men.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, as a 12 man, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you can upgrade that area, or if you can upgrade and get defensive depth, why not?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I call him Miles Turner Jr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't stand that, Mike.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your sitter has to be able to rebound and do some dirty work and, uh, I just so relieved that Miles Turner is no longer a pacer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The other option, of course, is to trade back into the first round.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're clearly not going to have what it takes to trade into the top four with a new
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[SPEAKER_00]: franchise cornerstone, but it's possible that they're going to trade back into the first round.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as you said, I think at this point, you deal with what you know, preachers, so-so, making draft bakes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, obviously, I've drafted Nimbard and a couple others, but he's better at taking advantage of other team situations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's probably the right route.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the right route.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't give up, you know, the pivotable, pivotable pieces that you already have, pivotable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think you give up the pieces that you have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's just no reason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And
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[SPEAKER_01]: for a chance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know what you're going to get with a rookie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's flashy to be in in that first round.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's flashy to be in the lottery, but do you give up three or four pieces on your team to get into that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, why do that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Trade for what you know, what you've seen in the NBA, how people are adapting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I rather take a chance on a young 20 to 25 year old than a rookie that's
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[SPEAKER_01]: twenty-two gets somebody's got a little bit of experience in the NBA.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're in the win now, mode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're not building for the future.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're ready.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We thought we might be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're definitely not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are definitely not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're in it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's money out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I rather look at those unrestricted free agents to move up in the draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't care if the Pacer had any draft picks this year, I mean, I rather, like I said, build from free agency.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You still got Cam Jones and Taylor and Peter guys who are essentially draft picks anyway, who didn't see much time last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The only people that they've invited to pre-draft workouts are second round guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think they're probably looking to get into the first round.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing is, it'll be fun to watch Furfi.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The summer hopefully he'll be able to play in summer league.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have not heard anything about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't mention him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he hadn't walked or taken another step forward, you're talking, there's no need to upgrade anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's 10 deep is a pretty good spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Usually though, when you're 10 deep, you want to consolidate for a really good eight in the playoff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be interested in seeing what happens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just not sure that you want to lose any of these guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that you want to package TJ McConnell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you want to get rid of Obi-top and they fit in so, well, man, this isn't that weird two years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just get rid of Obi-top and he's the one guy who doesn't fit this team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then after last year,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the year before he just last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't play a whole lot again, like Neesmith, but he was just so good when he played.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to say this about Neesmith.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think people saw much of him because by the time he started playing, most people had tuned out to a season that wasn't worth watching.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he was different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was confident, he, he was a go-to guy if he needed him to be, and I think moving on from Neesmith, McConnell, top, I just, honestly, Mike, if you ask me, I just stand pat right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where I'm at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen this team fully healthy and having the rotations that Carlisle is going to be able to make.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think our draft was last year when we traded Mazern for zoo bots and, you know, the first round pick, that was what we were looking at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we weren't, we weren't in position last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we were to kept Mazern, we would
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[SPEAKER_01]: potentially signed him and that wouldn't have been a good signing and fine Angela.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is going to be a great player and I wish him the best and I hope he does well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope L.A. signs him and he does well out there, but what we were lacking and what we needed with my was not Miles Turner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what we needed with Halibutton and the finals last year was somebody that like his
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[SPEAKER_01]: and we're really close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're closer this year than we were the year we went to the finals to win it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when we get to game seven of the finals in OKC, I mean, this team is primed and ready.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think and they have money, they have money to go after
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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably almost anyone on the free agency really want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they got to capital and players to trade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the team that they got and what they're going to start with next year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Mike, and I know this is an offseason preview, but let's talk a little bit about the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've been thinking about this last year, every team in the NBA basically mimicked
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[SPEAKER_00]: running the floor, putting up threes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, every team became the patient's offense, including the nicks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think the patient's continued to do that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were ahead of everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or do you think they had just now was robots?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do they slow down?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do they come, become a half-court team, pick and roll type team?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are you expecting from what is the current expected starting on them?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I trust what Rick Carlisle is going to do and he's going to know what's best for the team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the right guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He knows what he's going to do with this team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to have, I think that's where Zubot is going to be a little weak if they do the fast pace.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's going to be able to keep up at first.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully, you know, go ahead and transition, but no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is
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[SPEAKER_01]: this half core right and and that's what we want i mean when your center is only going between the three point lines and running back and forth and that's the the sprint that they have to have and sit out there and pop at you j-half miles turner you know the statline i always looked at and i have you know was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: did they shoot more threes than they got rebound.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I hated it when I shot more threes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you look for Bobo then they got rebounds and it happened so often.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I really want to see you know a center place center and be down in the pain and rebound and do the pick and roll.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I think that, you know, Rick Carlisle knows what Zubot's strengths are, and I think that's what's key about that backup center.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you got to have somebody that's going to to compliment that if they want to move the ball faster and they want to play that fast pace and have that backup center where they can come in and fill in when they want to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike, thanks so much for your time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I mentioned that we're out here at the OEGoff links on a beautiful morning here in Outwood and it seems like you're feeling a little better about the situation after the reaction from the draft lottery.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely fill in better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little more open to,
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[SPEAKER_01]: watching the start of the season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was worried that we were going to hear from him.
21:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I was really just, I was hurt.
21:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was like losing, you know, a close friend or something.
21:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was like, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a, there was a
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[SPEAKER_01]: and, you know, but I'm excited for the team, um, and I like what pressure did.
21:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he owned he owned that decision, he put it out there, you know, he took a chance and, you know, no problem with it.
21:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no problem with it.
21:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no problem with the way they played last season.
21:53
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what kept us motivated last season was, you know, what are we going to do on May 10th?
21:58
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the draft lottery going to look like?
22:01
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we were counting it down and you know, and like those four guys were already part of our team.
22:08
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how we were watching them every day and we're simulating what are the paces or drafting and and I don't think we should stop talking about it.
22:21
[SPEAKER_01]: The good thing is, you know, I've grieved it, it's not traumatizing, so as long as we don't do something like that again in the near future, I think I'll be all right.
22:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this pace or team is going to play well.
22:34
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to compete.
22:36
[SPEAKER_01]: The east is going to be wide open next year again.
22:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's just crazy to think that the damn nicks are in the finals and the Pacers were in the finals last year.
22:48
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're about win.
22:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're defenseless.
22:50
[SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure.
22:52
[SPEAKER_01]: It will be exciting to see those two go at it next year.
22:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm looking forward to that.
22:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, good for Mike Brown, but not not too happy for the next.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
23:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I was listening to Bill Simmons, I listened to him a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's my favorite sports podcaster.
23:16
[SPEAKER_00]: He said that the Pacer snatched the Nick soul last year, but it came back when Tyre's Alabama went down in the finals.
23:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Nick's probably only recover because Tyre's Alabama hadn't got injured.
23:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And, oh, Mike, up the next.
23:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
23:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Amen.
23:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck the next.
23:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Perfect point of finishes.
23:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks everybody.
23:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Perfect way to end that.
23:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks everybody for listening.
23:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks so much, Mike, I appreciate it.
23:46
[SPEAKER_00]: It was fun meeting him at the Elwood Golf Lanks on Wednesday morning and getting in some golf and talking to some patients.
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