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Bill Belichick-Patriots beef, Melo & HOF Class of 2025, Canelo vs. Crawford | 09.09 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 1: a hater. Coming up a little bit later, we got
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  Speaker 1: Corey Erdman of The Zone and Ring Magazine. Get you
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  Speaker 1: ready for the Canelo, Alvarez, Terrence Crawford fight. But first,
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  Speaker 1: we got a couple of little funny things that have
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  Speaker 1: happened in sports. Well, really, this is just the one
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  Speaker 1: funny thing. Well, some others. We're just going to get
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  Speaker 1: to that right now. But anyway, a report was made
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday by ESPN that Bill Belichick... has banned scouts
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  Speaker 1: from the New England Patriots from visiting the football facilities
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  Speaker 1: at the University of North Carolina. And when he was
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  Speaker 1: asked about it after their win over Charlotte, his explanation was,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not welcome at their facilities, so why are they
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  Speaker 1: welcome at ours? I don't know, guys. Sounds like somebody's
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  Speaker 1: still not over getting fired. Could be wrong. Ryan, do
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  Speaker 1: I have this right? Does it sound to you like
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  Speaker 1: he's not over being fired? Because it sounds to me
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  Speaker 1: like he's not over being fired.
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  Speaker 2: He is clearly not over being fired. And he does
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  Speaker 2: not seem, the more he is in this UNC situation,
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  Speaker 2: he does not seem thrilled with it.
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  Speaker 1: No, well, he also, it feels like he thinks it's
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  Speaker 1: unfair that he got fired.
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  Speaker 2: Right, like, yes. Look at what I did for you.
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  Speaker 2: How dare you run me off?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I have to ask him this question in
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  Speaker 1: all sincerity. Did he think it was unfair when he
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  Speaker 1: was ready for Tom Brady to get out of there
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  Speaker 1: because he thought he had gotten too old? Did he
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  Speaker 1: think it was unfair when he released Bernie Kosar in Cleveland?
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  Speaker 1: Did he think that it was unfair when he ran
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  Speaker 1: Lawyer Malloy out with the Patriots? Like, this idea of fairness...
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  Speaker 1: You know how shit works, man. And those of you
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  Speaker 1: who listened to this show during that last season that
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  Speaker 1: he had, I told y'all early he was going to
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  Speaker 1: be fired. That the only way that this could possibly
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  Speaker 1: go was that he was going to be fired because
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  Speaker 1: he is stoked too bad. And his owner was too
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  Speaker 1: old to be out here trying to put up with
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  Speaker 1: that shit. Like there was no way around it. He
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  Speaker 1: was going to wind up being fired. My problem with
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  Speaker 1: him doing this is him saying no. Well, it's not
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  Speaker 1: he's saying this. He claims that, well, if the scouts
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  Speaker 1: want to know something about his players, they can call him,
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  Speaker 1: they can ask him whatever, that's fine. But the people
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  Speaker 1: who are losing under this circumstance are not going to
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  Speaker 1: be the Patriots. If it happens to be that, it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be his players. Now, I'm going to be
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  Speaker 1: honest with you. From that one football game, I saw
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  Speaker 1: the Carolina play. I don't see why no scouts would
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  Speaker 1: really be coming there. Like, maybe they just want to
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  Speaker 1: watch a basketball game the same weekend or something like that,
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  Speaker 1: but I feel like anybody want to come watch, y'all
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  Speaker 1: sorry asses, you need to be happy. You need to be, like,
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  Speaker 1: patting them on the back, telling them thank you, make
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  Speaker 1: them snacks, whatever it takes. Like, this is what it
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  Speaker 1: is that you need to do. This is wild stuff,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think when he'll get over it, what
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  Speaker 1: it'll take, because on one level, and Ryan and I
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  Speaker 1: were talking about this, maybe on one level, what it'll take,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't mean to seem morbid, so is Bob
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  Speaker 1: Kraft no longer owning the team? You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: I think from what I read and from everything that's
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  Speaker 2: come out about Belichick, I think he dislikes Robert Kraft
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  Speaker 2: and he's hurt by Robert Kraft personally. He clearly despises
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  Speaker 2: the Sun.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say, is that even
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  Speaker 1: if Bob Kraft no longer owns the team, there will
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  Speaker 1: still be a problem if Bob Kraft passes the team on.
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  Speaker 2: Did you watch Succession?
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan Kraft, he clearly thinks Jonathan Kraft is Kendall.
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  Speaker 1: He does. The irony of this, of course, is he
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  Speaker 1: appears to have his own overwhelmed children in positions of
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  Speaker 1: power within his own enterprise. He got a son with
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  Speaker 1: a mullet. I tell you this, Logan Roy would have
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  Speaker 1: never allowed that, and neither would Robert Kraft. No.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, not in a million years.
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  Speaker 1: No way you're going to be in my office with
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  Speaker 1: that fucked up haircut you got, son. That would never
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  Speaker 1: happen ever. But you're right. Belichick, I guess we'll have
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  Speaker 1: to see what it looks like when they win a
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  Speaker 1: game that like they're not supposed to. Because I do
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  Speaker 1: think the difference between college and the NFL is success.
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  Speaker 1: Success in the NFL means the same thing for everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Success in college varies greatly from program to program to program. Like, Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: you're an LSU grad. Success at LSU is not the
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  Speaker 1: same as success at Mississippi State, but it's also not
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  Speaker 1: the same as success is at Alabama. It's all these
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  Speaker 1: different levels of what success means. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: Belichick is built necessarily to understand that you got a
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  Speaker 1: job where nine and three might get you a statue, homie.
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  Speaker 1: Like if you go eight and.
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  Speaker 2: Seven and five would be a great year there.
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  Speaker 1: It really will. I don't know exactly how he feels
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  Speaker 1: about this, but you are right. I don't, he seems
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  Speaker 1: a bit, uh, non plus. I feel like that's the
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  Speaker 1: way I use now plus, but not actually what it means,
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  Speaker 1: but you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: If that doesn't work, how about this? He does seem
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  Speaker 1: to be a little bit over it.
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  Speaker 2: Just, just, just, just already, already over it, already, uh,
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  Speaker 2: throwing fits. And, uh, again, like, I can't imagine this
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  Speaker 2: ends well.
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  Speaker 1: No, no. Now, let's switch gears a little bit because
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  Speaker 1: we just talked there about a pro coach working in college.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk now about a college coach working
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  Speaker 1: in the pros. And what I'm saying is, can you
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  Speaker 1: imagine if you never watched college basketball ever in your
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  Speaker 1: life and all you watched was the NBA? Can you
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  Speaker 1: imagine turning on your TV and somebody told you that
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  Speaker 1: Billy Donovan was going into the Hall of Fame? It
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  Speaker 1: would be a little shocking now, wouldn't it? But Billy
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  Speaker 1: Donovan did coach in college. He has three trips to
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  Speaker 1: the Final Four and two national championships. Ergo, therefore, he
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  Speaker 1: is in the Hall of Fame. But Ryan, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to be honest. I turned on and I saw his
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  Speaker 1: speech and I was like, oh, yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: I guess he was presenting for somebody.
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  Speaker 1: I was just like, what the hell is going on here?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't realize him and Melo were that close.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it was also we're really that old now, right?
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  Speaker 1: Because his first Final Four was 25 years ago. Like
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  Speaker 1: 2000 was that first Final Four. Those national championships next
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  Speaker 1: year will be the 20th anniversary of the first one. Right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, damn, this has really happened to us.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I looked up and saw it and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, yeah, I guess. Yeah, that that
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  Speaker 1: would that would check out. But two things from that
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame ceremony that I want to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Number one, shout out to Dwight Howard. He said it
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  Speaker 1: or somebody asked him about it. And he said that
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  Speaker 1: the most heartbreaking thing ever to him was that he
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  Speaker 1: was not on the top 75 all time list of
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  Speaker 1: the NBA. And that is the most indefensible decision of
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  Speaker 1: that entire list, especially since it was 76. They had
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  Speaker 1: a tie. To not put Dwight Howard on that top
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  Speaker 1: 75 list was absolutely absurd. And look, I understand this.
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  Speaker 1: Injuries got him. He had the back injury. And then
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  Speaker 1: the latter part of his career took some of the
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  Speaker 1: shine off the front half of his career. However, he
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  Speaker 1: is the best player on a team that made the
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  Speaker 1: NBA finals. And he made the Orlando Magic a contender
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  Speaker 1: for the NBA finals every year simply because he was there.
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  Speaker 1: he was a force of nature while also being quite
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  Speaker 1: undersized for his position. He was that guy. He was
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  Speaker 1: an actual, factual, real deal superstar at a time where
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  Speaker 1: there really weren't that many of those guys where you said,
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  Speaker 1: we got a chance to win a title because that
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  Speaker 1: guy's on the team. And that was the kind of
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  Speaker 1: thing that you could say about Dwight Howard when he
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  Speaker 1: was 22 or 23 years old. Yes, they had some
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  Speaker 1: very particular matchups that let him do it, but Dwight
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  Speaker 1: Howard got to the NBA finals on a team whose
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  Speaker 1: second best player was Hito Turkoglu. And along the way,
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  Speaker 1: set the best version of LeBron James maybe packing. And
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  Speaker 1: when I say the best version, I think LeBron was
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  Speaker 1: a better player in Miami. But the 2009 playoff version
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  Speaker 1: of LeBron James, it seemed absolutely unreal. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: of anything that I've seen in the postseason that ever
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  Speaker 1: looked like that. And Dwight and them boys sent them home.
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  Speaker 2: You bring up, you know, talk about Dwight Howard being undersized. Well,
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  Speaker 2: LeBron's bigger than Dwight Howard. Yes. They're closer to the
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  Speaker 2: same height, and he is certainly wider.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that is what a testament to the greatness
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  Speaker 1: of LeBron James, right? Of course. Let's put that there.
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  Speaker 1: But for Dwight— Some of this of his own doing,
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  Speaker 1: like he'll never overcome what happened when Stan called him
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  Speaker 1: a liar and they walked away so that Dwight could
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  Speaker 1: come up and lie in front of everybody. Like, or
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  Speaker 1: he started the lie before the episode. Yeah. You know
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  Speaker 1: what though? I appreciate about both of them that clearly they,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they're like, Levitar used to tell me about this, like, no,
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  Speaker 1: Stan and Dwight are friends. Like they got it back together.
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  Speaker 1: Shaq and Dwight is weird. And I just don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. We don't have to.
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  Speaker 1: We don't have time. It would take forever to try
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  Speaker 1: to like tease that out. But I was glad for
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  Speaker 1: him that he got in on the first ballot. And
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  Speaker 1: a lot of you guys, because you just decided you
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  Speaker 1: didn't like Dwight. A lot of you because Kobe told
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  Speaker 1: you not to like Dwight. I'm glad that he got
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  Speaker 1: that honor. And he said he went to the Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame twice because the Olympic team also went in.
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  Speaker 1: But my colleague here at Wave Sports and Entertainment also
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  Speaker 1: went in. And that is Carmelo Anthony. And I joke
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  Speaker 1: and talk a lot about how the first person to
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  Speaker 1: ever call me a hater for what I ever said
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  Speaker 1: on television was Carmelo. He was watching first take one
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  Speaker 1: day and he didn't like something I said. And he said,
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  Speaker 1: let's toast to the hater. I talked to him about it.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't laugh as much as I was hoping he
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  Speaker 1: would laugh about that fact. I hope he doesn't think
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  Speaker 1: I'm a hater now, but I do have to tell
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  Speaker 1: you this. And I do mean this because in working here,
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  Speaker 1: I have... Well, first, let me start here. There's something
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  Speaker 1: about watching Carmelo Anthony play basketball that is just... special
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  Speaker 1: right like very few people have made basketball look as
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  Speaker 1: easy as mellow made basketball look and one thing i
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  Speaker 1: don't think that you can really grasp on television and
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  Speaker 1: ryan i think you may have noticed this from your
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  Speaker 1: first meetings with mellow that's a really big dude yes
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  Speaker 1: like that is a that is a power forward playing
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  Speaker 1: small forward more in the terry cummings mold than i
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  Speaker 1: think that people realize like what a special talent and
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  Speaker 1: basketball player he truly was right Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the, one of the great college players
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  Speaker 2: ever as well.
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  Speaker 1: Well, then there's that, right? Like second best player on
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  Speaker 1: that team is what Jerry McNamara, Hakeem Warwick, right? Like that's,
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  Speaker 1: that's who we're talking about that got there. No, Mello
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  Speaker 1: was that dude. And in New York, I think Knicks
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  Speaker 1: fans are a little too hard on him. Um, Amari
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  Speaker 1: Stoudemire did it in his way before Melo got there,
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  Speaker 1: but nobody signed up for the weight of playing basketball
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  Speaker 1: in New York quite like Carmelo did. Nobody did, right? Like,
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  Speaker 1: I was glad that the reception around him going into
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  Speaker 1: the hall, because look, man, the end was not necessarily
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  Speaker 1: the way he wanted it to be. Hell, when it
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  Speaker 1: didn't work out for him in Houston, I thought he
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  Speaker 1: was finished and said it publicly, but obviously he adjusted
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  Speaker 1: his game in a way that I, as a person
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  Speaker 1: from a distance, didn't think he could to stay in
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  Speaker 1: the league for longer. Like, He did that. And he
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  Speaker 1: is a star among players and among fans. That is
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  Speaker 1: very rare for you to find out. But I have
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  Speaker 1: to say, Mello and I do some business with our buddy,
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  Speaker 1: Jesse Horton, separate business, but with the same company. And
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  Speaker 1: I've worked with him here at Wade. And that's a
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  Speaker 1: good dude. And in the time that I've had to
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  Speaker 1: be around him, I am like a good dude in
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  Speaker 1: a way that when you do this job long enough,
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  Speaker 1: you know kind of what you get often with dealing
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  Speaker 1: with former players of varying magnitudes. And Melo's as level
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  Speaker 1: of dude as I think you could possibly expect, given
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  Speaker 1: what a big deal he is and has been basically
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  Speaker 1: since he was 18 years old. So I could speak
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  Speaker 1: for the whole company. I think they happy for him,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't know y'all. Not that way. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? I can speak for us over here, man.
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  Speaker 1: Heartfelt congratulations to Carmelo Anthony for getting into the Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame. And as much as people can talk about
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  Speaker 1: how the Basketball Hall of Fame is unwieldy and they
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  Speaker 1: let anybody in, they don't let everybody in, right?
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  Speaker 2: Melo's an NFL Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He was the third best player in the league for—
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  Speaker 2: 700 years.
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  Speaker 1: This is a no-brainer. There was no doubt when you
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  Speaker 1: looked at that list of people who were going into
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, who was the person that was going
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  Speaker 1: to talk last, right? There was no question who that
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  Speaker 1: person was going to be. And it was Carmelo. So
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  Speaker 1: congratulations to him. Shout out to him. Catch up with him.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'll do this season's appearance on 7 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: in Brooklyn if they'll have me back. But wanted to
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  Speaker 1: throw that out there. And now, join us in getting
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: ready for the big boxing match this weekend with my
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: good buddy Corey Erdman. all right joining us now check
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: him out he's a commentator for the zone he is
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: also a writer for ring magazine and also had a
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: big role in a little show that we like to
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  Speaker 1: call the morning jones around here cory urban it is
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  Speaker 1: wonderful to see you how are you man I'm good.
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  Speaker 3: And it is and will forever be weird that we
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  Speaker 3: don't wake up and do this every single morning.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, it's you know, I guess it's been so long now.
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  Speaker 1: It's been 15 years since we started the show. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So we're at a place where there's a whole lot
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  Speaker 1: of people here who don't know what we're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: And bad news for them. We don't do the show
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  Speaker 1: for you. This is this was it was I mean,
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: looking back on this, the idea that somebody was like, yeah,
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: we'll put a box in your house and you can
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: do a radio show with these guys from Canada, except
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: for the days that we forget to pay the bill.
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: And we'll hopefully we will get you. It's been long
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: enough now that we can talk about that. It would
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: just be days of waking up and being like, damn,
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  Speaker 1: they forgot to pay the phone bill.
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  Speaker 3: I still remember that phone call and it was days
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  Speaker 3: before that. getting on the phone with you and being like, uh,
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  Speaker 3: the lights didn't turn on today. Should we be concerned
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  Speaker 3: about our employment?
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  Speaker 1: We were going through stuff that people didn't realize like
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: sprinkled in. And then Mike hit man comes on standing
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: on top of a car because the Doberman has chased
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: him on top of his car. And he doesn't even
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  Speaker 1: remember he's on the radio because he has just called
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  Speaker 1: us and left us on hold while the madness of
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: early morning, Chicago transpires behind us.
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  Speaker 3: I like, I don't know that you can replicate something
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  Speaker 3: like that these days, right? Like, unless you're doing something
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  Speaker 3: on like, I don't know what Instagram live or something
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  Speaker 3: that immediacy and the chaos and, and obviously the camaraderie
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  Speaker 3: and everything else that came with the show. I, I
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  Speaker 3: don't think you could produce that in 2025.
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  Speaker 1: It was the most amazing time in my life. Like
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: when I do the math on all the amazing things
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  Speaker 1: that happened, it was just like, wow. And it's like,
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  Speaker 1: it's why you are it's a big part of why
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  Speaker 1: you are where you are it's a big part of
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  Speaker 1: why i am where i am shout out to the
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  Speaker 1: kang sasha cargill my man morgan campbell said he saw
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  Speaker 1: sasha when he's up there i think about sasha all
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  Speaker 1: the time now because sasha is from hamilton ontario the
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  Speaker 1: home of shea gilgis The hammer, I believe, is what
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  Speaker 1: they call it. He would call it the Steel City.
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  Speaker 1: And every time life gets bad, I go check the
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  Speaker 1: price of gold. And I think about Sasha not getting
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  Speaker 1: that gold that he tried to get. Listen, it is
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  Speaker 1: always weird.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm glad that you know about Hamilton because you
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  Speaker 3: can appreciate this. And we talk about it all the time.
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  Speaker 3: How bizarre it is that the most fashionable man in
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  Speaker 3: the world is from Hamilton, Ontario.
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  Speaker 1: Hamilton, which is the Pittsburgh of Canada. Correct. Yes, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: The more I worked with you guys in Canada, I
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: realized we had so many of the blank of Canada. So,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: for example, Alberta, you are the Texas of Canada. There
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: is no other way to look at this. This is
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: what you are. You are the Texas of Canada in
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: every single way. Oh, okay. Got you. But Hamilton figured
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: it out very quickly. And also, how you know, you
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: don't want no problems with the Kangs. Kang is the
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: nicest man in the world, but I don't think you
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: want no problems with Kang.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: I'm sure his students feel the same way.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Well, it also dawned on me that the Kang's oldest
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: son has got to be like 16 or 17 now. Oh, yeah. Yeah, man.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: It's wild.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: Like I don't have to– it's a great privilege that
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: I don't have to submit resumes too often anymore. But
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: my position as producer of The Morning Jones is still
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: on there. And listen, like what? Like 12 people got
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: invited to my wedding. You were one of them and
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: two others were listeners of the program. Like that's how
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: much has permeated our lives even 15 years down the road.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Corey, we had a wedding that we had to go
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: to and to save a potential fisticuff situation because over
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: a dispute over money, Mike's friends were ready to show up.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: And I would tell people this because it gets us
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: into why we have Corey here. The last time I
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: saw Corey was in 2022. I believe it was May
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: of 2022. And I am walking through the park MGM
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: and I have a mask on because it's still that time.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: And I'm walking and I've got all this hair because
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: it was still that time. And I look up and
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, shit, I see Corey and Andres Hale
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: walking up. But I've got the mask on and I've
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: got all this hair and I walk up to Corey
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: super slow and he is looking at me like, what
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: is about to transpire? And I take the mask off.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: It is like a super happy reunion. The woman I'm
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: with has no understanding as to why it is that
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I'm so happy to see this little white dude in
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: front of me. But the occasion that he was there for,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I was there for a concert. He was there because
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I forget who Canelo was there fighting, but Canelo lost.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: And I had gotten word that Canelo lost, which was
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: very important information because I was trying not to bump
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: into any of the grumpy Mexicans that were walking around,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: not pleased that Canelo had lost. I'm sorry. Make sure
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I say he lost. He lost Canelo. As I recall,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: got his ass kicked. Like it wasn't like it was
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: a disputable loss. And now because boxing is just one
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: of those things where sometimes you get your ass kicked.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Now he's going to fight Terrence Crawford on Saturday, September 13th. Yeah.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: That was Canelo Bevo, and that was the saddest I
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: have ever seen a casino in Las Vegas. And that's
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: including because there's the injection of the people that were
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: there to see Silksonic, so they're kind of happy, right?
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: You guys are coming out of the show, you're feeling good,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: but the people that knew the fight was going on
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: and might have known the result were like you, not
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: wanting to seem too happy, but then we saw one another,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: and you know.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, man, we've talked enough about, look, we got
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: to be honest about this. Boxing, traffic's in race play,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: and sometimes that makes things just a little bit dicey.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Just a little. But look, it's three years later. He's
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: fighting Terrence Crawford. I looked this up. One, it feels
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: like Canelo is much older than he is. He's 35.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: He has won 62 fights. His fight is like 62-3
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: and whatever the draw number is. Terrence Crawford is actually
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: two years older than him, but Terrence Crawford is undefeated.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: The last time I watched Terrence Crawford fight somebody, he
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: put them paws on Errol Spence in a way that
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think we thought was possible. I have also
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: seen Terrence Crawford fight in person because ESPN used to
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: have the top rank contract. So he fought one night
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: right after the Heisman ceremony. So we pulled up. This
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: is when I realized how famous Desmond Howard was. All
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: of us had really good seats except for Desmond Howard,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: who was in Terrence Crawford's Corner. Corner. Just in the corner.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: But what is, like, the first thing you think about
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: when you know this fight is coming up is what
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: about this matchup?
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Man, it's kind of bizarre that it's happening. And it's
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: kind of a set of circumstances that, you know, with
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: the injection of money and influence from Turkey Al-Ashiq, it's
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: a fight that without... This current boxing climate just never
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: would have happened because Terrence Crawford, he's technically moving up
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: two weight classes, but really moving up three weight classes.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: He's only fought at 154 pounds one time. And he's
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: going to be facing Canelo, at 168. But it's one
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: of those fights that boxing fans, more casual boxing fans,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: and I don't use that as a pejorative whatsoever. I
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: don't care what level of fidelity you have to the sport.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Come and tune in whenever you want. But people see
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: them on the pound-for-pound list, and they argue about who's better,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: who's the best fighter in the world. Is it Canelo?
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Is it Terrence Crawford?
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Is it Naoya Inoue? And they want to put these
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: two in there together. It's bizarre that it's happening, but
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: it will probably– it'll go a long way to kind
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: of defining who is the best fighter of this particular era.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: And I think you have to put this era in
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: a silo that doesn't include Floyd and doesn't include Manny
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: because if you do, they're kind of clearly ahead. But
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: for this modern era, this kind of defines who.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Is the guy.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: And it's sort of unfair to Crawford in a sense
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: because he's taking such a colossal risk. He's basically having
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: to transform his body Moving up three weight classes is
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: no joke. Going from 147 to a muscular 168 is
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: something that some people take years to make happen. And
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Terrence Crawford is going to do it and try and
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: fight someone. Well, are you surprised that they didn't meet
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: somewhere in the middle on this? A little surprised, but
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: at the same time. You know, as big of a
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: star and as great as Terrence Crawford is, Canelo Alvarez
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: is really the nucleus of the boxing world. And he
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: can call the shots. And I'm sure that he did
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: not want to have any concessions when it came to weight.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: But also, Terrence Crawford has that thing where I think
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: he wants the biggest challenge possible. And it's something that
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: was kind of, he was denied that opportunity in some
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: senses while he was fighting with Top Rank. Because it
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: was during a period of time in boxing where there
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: was some severe separation in terms of networks and promotions,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: and they just wouldn't work together. It wasn't Top Rank's fault.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: It wasn't ESPN's fault. But there were all these fighters
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: over here on PBC that Terrence Crawford never was able
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: to match up with until he finally got that Errol
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Spence fight. And I think there is that thing in
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Terrence's mind where he's thinking, hey, I'm 37, 38 years old.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I want to go for the biggest challenge possible. And
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: if I can do this, if I can move up
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: three weight classes and beat Canelo, I'm in a different
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: stratosphere when it comes to how I'm remembered after I retire.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Now, you mentioned the risk, obviously, of just, we're just
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: talking about going up the weight classes, but we're talking
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: about going up the weight classes with somebody who's calling
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: card is power, right? Exactly, yeah.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: And that's what makes this a really fascinating style matchup
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: as well. If the fight starts and Canelo isn't immediately
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: physically overwhelming to Crawford. It becomes really interesting because Canelo's
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: calling card these days is more power. The younger version
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: of Canelo was a lot more mobile. The version we
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: saw at 154, 160. The version we've seen at 168
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: and during his dalliances at light heavyweight is a lot
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: more judicious with his punch output. He can kind of
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: nonchalantly walk forward, pick shots off, and then throw power shots.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: And everything he throws is heavy, and everything he throws
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: is meaningful. The question is whether that approach can work
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: against Crawford, who is going to be more nimble, he's
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: going to be more mobile. And I don't know that
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: the level of nonchalance that Canelo has been able to
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: have in recent fights, I don't know if that works well.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: against someone who's as intelligent and as mobile as Crawford.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: So we're going to have to see a version of
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Canelo that we haven't seen in at least a couple fights.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: So how does the power game work for a guy
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: like Crawford going up in the fight, like his own power?
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Because I'm talking about this at first in the context of, OK,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: now you're dealing with somebody with heavy hands and now
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: you're going up to that fight. But I'm trying to
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: think like to myself, like, for example, you know, and
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not nearly as versed in this as you, obviously,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: but I think of when Roy Jones went up to,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: you know, to fight as heavyweight. None of us were
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: expecting Roy Jones to knock John Ruiz out, even though
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: we had watched him knock out just about every light
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: heavyweight and cruiserweight that had been ahead of him. So
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: what is the power translation for a guy like Crawford
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: going up?
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: I would say it's not the most likely result that
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: he hurts Canelo, but Terrence Crawford, even at 154, he
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: can keep you honest with his shots. And there's a difference.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: You know, you look at Floyd Mayweather in the latter
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: stages of his career, you know, the Money Mayweather era
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: of him. No one would think of him as a
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: power puncher, but... Just saying, oh, he doesn't have knockout power, well,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: that didn't mean that guys could just rush in on
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: him and go after him and say, oh, this doesn't
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: hurt at all.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to do whatever I want. It doesn't
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: work like that.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Even if Terrence Crawford doesn't knock you out, you're going
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: to feel his shots. Canelo has one of the best
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: chins of this era. He has an all-time great chin.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: We've really– Maybe one time seen Canelo even buzzed in
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: a fight, and that was a long, long time ago
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: since before he was fighting on the main card of HBO.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: So as I would say, it's probably unlikely that we
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: see Crawford hurt Canelo, but that doesn't mean that he
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: can't get Canelo's respect with his power.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Corey has been kind enough through the years, especially as
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I've been in New York, to help me get in
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: and check out some of these fights. And I watched
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: a fight. I think it was a Triple G fight
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: with Corey's dad. And we sat next to each other.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: And I think that was the fight when I learned
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: something I've talked about on this show before. that ain't
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: nothing more underrated in sports than the jab. We think
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: of the jab as just this thing that you do
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: to get these dudes off of you. Man, I was watching.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: It was that fight with the dude that had the
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: bullet in his spine. That was the fight before the
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Triple G fight, right? It was some dude with a
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: bullet in his spine, and they couldn't do the regular
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: cat scan on him because they were afraid the bullet
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: would start moving and he would get paralyzed. And the
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: theme of this fight night was violence. Kazakhstan defeats African Americans.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: This dude with the bullet in his spine was getting
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: his ass kicked by whoever the next Kazakh Greek was
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: supposed to be. And then Triple G went up and
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: hit some dude with a body punch uppercut to knock
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: him out against the ropes. And I was like, we
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: are really underselling how hard these cats are hitting. But
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I was watching those jabs and I was like, oh,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: we got to change the way we think about all
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: of this, right? Like, even a Floyd Mayweather. It's kind
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: of like trying to hoop against somebody that's in the NBA,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: but they only average 17 points a game. They're going
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: to get for 50 hooping against you.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Listen, any fighter that you see on TV, if you
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: don't know how to fight and they hit you with
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: a jab, that is the end of your work week
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: at minimum. Listen, I don't advocate for street fighting, but
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: I will say if you ever had to get into
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: a street fight, if you could just learn to throw
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: a correct jab, you will get yourself out of a
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: lot of problems.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: No, I told you about that time when Calvin Brock
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: was fighting. I went and covered his camp in California, Pennsylvania,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: and I walked in there, and it was a dude.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: This is why I love working with you because you
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: knew who all the boxers were. David Cadieux. He was
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: a French-Canadian heavyweight, and I walked in, and he was
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: hitting that heavy bag. And, brother, I was listening to
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: that chain shake, and I was like, oh, man. I
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: have drastically misunderstood the magnitude of what's going on in
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: these boxing matches like these. These cats are throwing. And
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: so then when you start talking about somebody like Canelo
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: at 168 and it's a, you know, even when he
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: was fighting at lower weights than that, he's one of
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: the few guys that to me, when I would look
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: at guys fighting in those weight classes and I'm looking
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: at how built they are, he looked big at 154.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's always been stocky and well-built. His frame has
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: moved up perfectly every step of the way. And at 168,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: he's very, very comfortable now. He's been there for a
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: couple of years now. And again, even flirted with 175 pounds.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: So 168 for Canelo is wound tight and in perfect
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: condition at this point. And his power has built over
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: the years. And he's kind of, he's evolved from, from
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: a guy that I think at one point wanted to
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: be seen as more of a defensive wizard, was kind
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: of taking some tactics that he learned from Floyd in
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: that loss that he took against him, was a little
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: bit more of a back foot fighter at a certain point,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: and now has kind of blended it into this perfect
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: fusion of the guy that's moving forward, which is always
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: pleasing for the fans, and it's pleasing to the judges, too,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: because they see you forcing the fight, and that goes
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: a long way on the scorecards. But he's able to
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: defend while moving forward, which is one of the most
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: difficult things you can do. It's a lot easier to
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: defend while you're moving backwards. When you're moving forwards and
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: you're thinking offensively and trying to pick shots off or
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: slip them, it's an unbelievably difficult combination of skills to
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: put together.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Now, this is a broader question than just the fights,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and we may get back to like fight stuff, but
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: this is a question I wanted to ask because I
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: think those of us who observe it from a distance
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: can notice this. I think as Americans, we lose sight
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: of a lot of things about the world. And one
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: of the things about the world that I think we
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: lose sight of is that Mexico has nearly 150 million people.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Like this is Mexican Independence Day fight. Floyd used to
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: love to fight on this weekend and Cinco de Mayo
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: because he was a troll, but also because there are
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: 150 people just in Mexico itself before we start talking
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: about Mexicans in the United States. Speaking in the economics
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: of fighting, how important is somebody like Canelo Alvarez? I mean, listen,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: he is– so.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: I'll introduce a topic that maybe we'll get into also,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: but the boxing version of Jordan versus LeBron is– the
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: GOAT debate that you could just bring up anytime, it's
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: not actually who's the greatest boxer of all time because
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: most people agree that Sugar Ray Robinson– it's tough to
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: argue against it. The argument that you can have ad
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: nauseum is who's the greatest Mexican boxer of all time.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: And you could put Canelo in that conversation. You could
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: put Julio Cesar Chavez in that conversation. Some people like
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Mike Tyson think that it's Salvador Sanchez. What is absolutely
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: true is that this is the first time that, and
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: I used this phrase before, the nucleus of boxing, the
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: biggest star in the sport, the central focus of it,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: has been a boxer from Mexico. The cash cow is
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Canelo Alvarez. Every time he fights, and my understanding is
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: that this fight won't be on TV Azteca in Mexico,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: but every other time, basically, every notable fight that you've
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: seen of Canelo, airs on live free television in mexico
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: and each and every time eclipses 33 million viewers it's
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: it's a massive massive audience that is integral to the
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: health of the sport to give you another anecdote i
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: just came back from mexico where i was calling a
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: great fight on the zone between eduardo nunez and christopher
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: diaz if you're bored and you want to see a
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: banger of a fight go back and check it out
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: it was in las mochis mexico we did the four
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: fights that were a part of the We're on our
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: way out the arena. Bo, there were 14 more fights
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: that night and no one left the arena. The world
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: title fight was over. There were 14 more fights. I
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: don't even know that they knew who the guys were
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: that were walking up. They were walking guys, not with
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: ring music, while people were still in the ring to
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: get more fights out there.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: No one left.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: That is the level of dedication and the fervence of
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: the fandom for boxing in Mexico. It's out of this world.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: And until you're there, you can't really fully understand it.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Well, is Canelo also, and you and I have talked
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: about this, and I remember at one point it felt
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: like we may have been being a little too general,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: and then I went on a tour of the Mayan
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: ruins in Mexico, and I was like, oh, this is
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: where it comes from. Our Mexican brothers and sisters, as
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: much as they like people who win fights, They also
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: really like people who take punishment. Like the idea of
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the Mayan, the Mayan idea was you pay homage to
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: the gods with blood, right? Your own blood, like that
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: is the sacrifice. Your willingness to endure punishment is what
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: makes you a hero. And so it's interesting when I
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: hear you talk about Canelo as being a defensive wizard,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: because that's almost counter to what any of us think
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: about when Mexican fighters.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's a really good point. Some of the
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: most beloved Mexican fighters of all time, they don't have
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: pristine records necessarily, and they are loved even if they lose.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: They're loved for simply for being entertaining. There are names
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: from Mexican boxing history. A guy like Jorge Arce is
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: on the Hall of Fame ballot, may or may not
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: get into the Hall of Fame, but there was a
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: five-year period where he was one of the three most
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: popular fighters in in the country. And it's because he bled,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: he took punishment, came to the ring on a horse
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: with a lollipop. There were like the theatrics and the
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: machismo of it just appealed to the audience. And I
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: think Canelo, he talks the right way and he delivers
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: fantastic knockouts every once in a while too. And again,
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: like I said, this new version of Canelo, you see
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: him moving forward and sometimes just even being the nominal aggressor,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: the guy who is on the front foot chasing after someone,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: sends the right message to the audience. And that, I think,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: has helped, especially in this portion of his career, to
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: further boost his popularity.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: You know, as I hear this, I now think that
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: maybe the infamous Julio Cesar Chavez-Meljure Taylor fight was the
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: perfect fight for a Mexican fighter. Get your ass kicked
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: and somehow win. You get it all at one time. Precisely. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: i need to go back and watch that fight because
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: i just remember at the time people talking about it
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: how could this possibly happen and now that i know
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: more about the world the idea that it could be
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: two seconds left in the fight ah never mind we've
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: had enough what like can you imagine in this conspiratorial
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: era that we have right now if that would have
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: happened Dude, if yes, if that fight happened, like if
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: that happens, if Terrence Crawford does that, it gets stopped
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: by Canelo in that fashion.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Let's say on Saturday night, your timeline will be.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Filled with conspiracies for the next several months. All right.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: We'll talk to Corey Urban coming up next. We're going
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: to talk some more about fights, but some of them
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: that don't actually count right here on the right time.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: All right. We are back with Corey Erdman of The
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Zone and Ring Magazine talking some boxing. And we are
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: in the season of the exhibition fight. If I am
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: not mistaken, was it your wedding day when Floyd fought
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Conor McGregor? Yes, it was. However, that was not an
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: exhibition fight. Wow, that is so crazy. But it was
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: so wild. It was a real sanctioned boxing match. It
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: was so wild because Corey invited me to his wedding,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: but it was a little bit late and it was
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: on my birthday. And so I couldn't quite make it.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: But then what I wanted to do fell through. And
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: so I was stuck watching that travesty just mortified at
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: the idea. that people were taking this seriously. And then
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: we go from there. We are in the Jake Paul era,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: which has its own quirks and things that come with that. Um,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: we have got, what is it? Is he going to
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: fight a Javante Davis? I think is the next one.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Speaking of two guys who are absolutely not anywhere near
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: the same weight class, and they're going to have this fight. Um,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: who's Mike Tyson going to fight? Um, fighting Floyd Mayweather. Yeah,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: that is it. Um, what, what is your read on
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: all of this? Because one thing you and I talked
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: about before the show that has to be remembered is
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: wild exhibition fights are not new, but they do feel
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: very much of this time in a way that is
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: not quite positive.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they are, they are extremely trendy right now, but
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: they are absolutely not new. And in fact, like if
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: you go, if you go back to kind of like the,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: you know, the 1900s, so let's say like the beginning
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: of Queensbury rules boxing, um, Jack Johnson, for example, fought
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: mostly exhibitions, right? Like there was a period of time
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: where fighters basically would travel from town to town doing
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: these exhibitions where they would fight all comers at the
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: circus or whatever, and then would have the real fights
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: at some point. And there have been all of your favorites.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: I shouldn't say all, but many of your favorites have
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: had exhibition fights through the years. Muhammad Ali fought Lyle Alzado,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: He fought Bernie Semenko, you know, the hockey enforcer. George
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Foreman fought five men in one day. People have fought
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: bears before. Like this is a trend that has always
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: been there in boxing, but it is particularly popular in
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: a economy that values virality above all else. And when
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: you go back to the genesis of Jake Paul's boxing career,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: I remember him putting out a video where he kind
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: of had this hit list, like a wish list of
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: fighters that he wanted to face. And the names on there,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: many of them he did wind up getting in the
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: ring with him. But when you look back, what he
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: had correctly identified, which was really obvious that other people
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: didn't find out, he just figured out who the people
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: who would pop the algorithm the most would be. Who
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: are the most popular fighters online? Not necessarily the people
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: who would be either the most dangerous to him or
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: anything else. It was the people that would sell the
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: most tickets and get the most eyeballs. And Tank Davis
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: is one of them. Gervonta Davis is one of those boxers.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: And there's a handful of them that crosses over outside
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: of the sport. There are people that watch Gervonta Davis
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: fights that don't watch much else except for these big
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: major productions, something like a Canelo Crawford. And so to
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: get him in the ring is a guaranteed financial blockbuster.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: So regardless of what the fight winds up looking like,
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: it's an incredibly wise financial maneuver for Jake.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: All right, first question. What is it about Davis that
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: makes him crossover? I think that he has... So....
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Gervonta has been promoted by Al Heyman. And you and
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: I have had some conversations about this, but Al has
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: been somewhat of a, he's a controversial figure in boxing.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: There are some people who, you know, ascribe all of
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: boxing's ills to Al Heyman. But one thing that a
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: lot of people don't understand about Heyman is that he
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: is one of the most important music promoters of all time.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: He has promoted Janet Jackson tours, Beyonce tours, some of
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: the biggest festivals of all time.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: The Budweiser Superfest, if I'm not mistaken. The Budweiser Superfest.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: It's the Al Heyman claim to fame. Exactly, right?
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: So what he knows is how to sell tickets, and
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: he is a master promoter in terms of getting things
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: into the mainstream. So while you might not think that
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Gervonta Davis is a big star, he absolutely is. There was,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: when he fought at Barclays Center the last time, He
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: did numbers that were on par with name your top
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: pop music act in terms of ticket sales. He just,
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: with Al's help and with his appeal, and I think
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: some of his appeal is his upbringing. People have kind
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: of seen Gervonta Davis as the child protege growing up
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: in the Mayweather gym, and they want to root for him.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: They want to root for the 130-pound kid from Baltimore
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: to make it big, and he did. And now I
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: think people have been continuously invested in that journey. So
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: when you combine that with a master marketer like Al Heyman,
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: placing him in spots. He has a connection to hip
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: hop music. He gets referenced in songs more than any
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: other boxer. There's just something about Tank that is different
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: from other fighters in terms of his popularity.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Do you also notice that all these people say they
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: don't like Al Heyman, but everybody I meet that has
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: actually met Al Heyman is like, yeah, I like Al. Yeah.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: How many people do you know that have met Al Heyman?
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Because I don't actually know that many. Actually, now that
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I think about it, it may just be one or two.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: They're all boxers. The only people I know are boxers.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: One of them was Ross Greenberg, who we know Al Hayman.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Al just posted up in Cleveland, right? Somebody was suggesting
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: something to me about meeting Al, and I was like, yeah.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: He's like, cool, he's got to go to Cleveland.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I'll take that trip for you. Yeah, yeah. As I
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: tell people all the time, I went to Cleveland to
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: meet Jake Paul, which is a story that I believe
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: I have told you and have not told everybody else.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: But the Doubletree ain't had no cookies. That's all I'm saying.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: And let me tell you this, too. Whenever that gym
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: was that Jake Paul was there to meet up with
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: us at, brother, brother, brother, Cleveland, I don't know where
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: the good part of town is, but it was not
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: between the Doubletree and there.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Good part of town's at Huntington Bankfield, baby.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Go Browns. That's right. Corey inexplicably grew up in Kitchener,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Ontario and is a Browns fan. Like your other choices,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: your being a Tigers fan eventually kind of sort of
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: paid out was like a little bit strange. The Blackhawks
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: thing I can halfway get. You just opted for misery
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: on the Browns. Yeah, I did.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: For whatever reason in Kitchener, we would get Browns games
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: and we would get some Cleveland TV and Cleveland radio.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: And I don't know why I did this to myself.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: When they left the NFL, I decided I'm not cheering
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: for anybody. And then they came back and it has
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: been exactly what it has been ever since.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Now that I think about this, 2025, like the last two,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: three years for the Morning Jones have been the wildest thing.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Whoever would have thought. Sasha's from Hamilton. You are from Kitchener.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: And basketball players from those two cities would not just
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: win championships, but be integral parts. Jamal Murray is from Kitchener.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: And I will tell you later about my Jamal Murray
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: in Las Vegas story. And Shea Gildas Alexander is from Hamilton.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: The Morning Jones was all over it.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: And it's wild seeing that those towns could produce that
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: level of talent, because let me tell you the caliber
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: of high school basketball when I was in high school.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: There was no Jamal Murray's playing on the St. David Celtics.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you. Now, I want to ask you this, though,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: about Javante Davis. You explain how he has reached the
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: magnitude that he has, but. Isn't this a little bit
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: beneath him? I know boxers could always use a little
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: extra money, but isn't this a little beneath him?
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: So I think one of the reasons that this is
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: compelling to Gervonta is that before his most recent fight
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: against Lamont Roach, which was a little bit controversial, a
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: lot of people thought he lost that fight. He was
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: talking about not wanting to fight anymore and was starting
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: to really consider what life was like after boxing. He
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: had an interview with Lil Yachty that was quite revelatory.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: This is 2025, man. Where he opened up about a
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: lot of these things. And listening to it, you got
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: the sense that this was genuinely someone who was tired
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: of everything that had been asked of him and wanted.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: An exit ramp.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: And this is quite a profitable exit ramp if he
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: could do it. So I think it does make sense.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: understanding what Gervonta's mentality seems to be, that this type
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: of fight would be compelling to him.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: You remember that time a 30-year-old boxer walked away? Because
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I don't. Right. Just ask him.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Listen, other than there are very few examples of guys
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: who said they're going to walk away. Marvin Hagler is
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: the shining example. After the Leonard fight said, I am
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: done with this. I'm going to go be an actor.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I have been betrayed. I have been betrayed by this
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: sport in a way I could never forget. Y'all know
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I didn't lose that fight. And then left and never
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: came back. He would come around.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: You would see him at the Hall of Fame and whatnot,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: but very few people have that kind of conviction on
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: that front. And a lot of people admire Hagler about that.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: A lot of people cite Hagler as one of their heroes.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Everyone wears the war hat and everything, but Not a
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: lot of people would do what Hagler did.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: The other part of it, too. And I'm going to
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: say this in case Gervonta happens to be out here listening.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Highly unlikely circumstance, but just in case. But young man,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: you're probably learned this already. But if you didn't, I'm
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: going to put you up on this game as you
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: need to know, as I've learned in various stretches. The
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: only thing that don't cost money in this world is
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: going to work. Like, I don't know, like, what kind
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: of spending he has grown accustomed to, what kind of
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: lifestyle he lives. But the lifestyle that you live while
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: you work, unless you really been planning to quit, brother.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: You know, and I got, you know, maybe you can
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: get out here, get on the mic. You know what
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: I'm saying? Be on the call with you. Talk about
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: these fights. But I'm going to quit and not work.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: I've had that idea many times. And then I look
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: around at some of this stuff I be doing. And
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't think that's going to work the
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: way you think it will, brother.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: The problem is his job, the base level requirement is
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: to get hit with one of those jabs.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, that is a great point. I just can't imagine
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: the idea. And I think I told you when I
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: did that story on Calvin Brock and I met his guy, Yankello,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I think his name, Tom Yankello. Tom Yankello, yeah. And
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: I asked him, I just wanted to know, because the
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: story on Calvin Brock was he lost the fight to Klitschko,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: which kind of sort of ended his career, as I recall,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: like a detached retina was involved or something like that. Now,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: fun part, I flew all the way to Pittsburgh, well,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: flew to Pittsburgh to go to California to to interview
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: a guy who lived in my neighborhood in Durham. It
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: was the wildest thing, which I learned once I got
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: up there to interview him. And so I asked Yankello,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I'm like, look, man, you know, and Brock was a banker.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Like he worked at Bank of America. I'm like, what
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: are you doing this for? Like, why are you out
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: here getting hit in the face? And he said, he
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: just loved to do it. He never thought about losing
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: all of this stuff.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: So I asked Yankello, man, how hard it is. to
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: get jabbed in the face. And I can't remember if
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: he said it was like getting hit with a 25-pound
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: weight drop from a 20-story window or like getting hit
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: with a 20-pound weight drop from a 25-story window. But
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: do the details really matter? No.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: And listen, you referenced Terrence Crawford versus Errol Spence, right?
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: There was a knockdown in that fight that was from
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: a jab. Errol Spence got knocked down by a jab, right?
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: If someone knows how to throw that jab, you're in serious,
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: serious danger.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: And if you.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Again, like for a regular person who doesn't get punched
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: in the face, if you get hit in the nose,
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: your eyes are going to water, right? Like everything is
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: going to go out the window. So the base level requirement, again,
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: of boxing is learning how to get hit with that
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: and not tear up, right?
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: That's the first thing that you have to learn as
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: you start to fight.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Because if you can't get past that, and some people can't,
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: you can't box.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if I thump you in the nose like that,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: it is entirely possible that your shit go fill up.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: And it's not because of anything wrong with you. It's
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: a defense mechanism. It's your humanity trying to push through. Yeah, exactly.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's your body sending a signal to the other
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: person to say, leave me alone.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: All right. So I have pulled up Hagler in the
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: wiki and this is his life after boxing paragraph, the
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: whole thing. After the loss of Leonard Hagler moved to
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Italy where he became a well-known star of action films.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: His roles included a U.S. Marine in the films Indio
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: and Indio 2. In 1997, he starred alongside Terrence Hill
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: and Gisele Blondette in Virtual Weapon. Those sound like awful movies.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Hagler also provided boxing commentary for British television. Another foray
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: by Hagler in the entertainment field included work on the
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: video game Fight Night Round 3. We ain't talking about
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: no boxing. The other part that I find interesting in
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: this is... Although he owned a home in Bartlett, New Hampshire,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Hagler lived in Milan. This is not the post-fight life
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: that we hear about. This is not Larry Holmes taking
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: it back to Easton. No, no.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: And Hagler is a more interesting character than some people
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: give him credit for because like a lot of people love,
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: they love that image of the prime Hagler who wore
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: the combat boots and like, you know, would train in
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: a shack and sequester himself and whatnot. But Then you
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: have this really cultured guy who wanted to live in Italy.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: And even during his boxing career, you know, people always
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: talk about the Spartan training techniques of Marvin Hagler. And
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: they'll always use him as this kind of avatar for
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: you don't need all this modern strength and conditioning stuff. Like,
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: look at what Marvin Hagler did. But then, like, just
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Google Marvin Hagler ballet. Marvin Hagler, at a certain point
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: in his career, was like, I'm going to experiment with ballet.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: It might make me a little bit more flexible and whatnot.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: We sometimes use fighters or anyone as these avatars of
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: masculinity and ignore a lot of things that they did.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Marvin Hagler was a lot more complicated, a lot more cultured. Oh,
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: that's right, because he did the right thing.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Guard commercials that would kind of parody all that stuff. Right.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I will say this for Hagler, Hagler until he was 13,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: lived in Newark. And then when the riots hit Newark,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Hagler then moved to, uh, Boston. And all I'm saying
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: is I'd be trying to blow this pop stand too. Like,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: after all this happened, as soon as I got my
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: opportunity to get the hell out of Dodge, I'd have
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: been long gone, baby.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he moved to Rocky Marciano territory, right?
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah. That's right. Hey, man, I'd be ready
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: to fight all the time, too. That reminded me.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, I was writing the other
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: week about, and this will tie back into the fight,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: about Mackie Shillstone, who wound up being Serena Williams' strength
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: and conditioning coach, kind of helped Peyton Manning in his
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: later stages of his career. But he was kind of
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: the architect of how we understand moving up in weight now.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: And he helped Michael Spinks when he moved up to
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: beat Larry Holmes. But it reminded me of the classic
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Larry Holmes press conference when he's talking to Rocky Marciano's family.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: And again, when people talk about.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: Larry Holmes as this uncharismatic guy, they forget Larry Holmes
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: was an A + + trash talker.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Go back and watch that press conference. Rocky couldn't carry
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: my jockstrap. They asked the wrong man the wrong question
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: at the wrong time. Because that's right, the Spinks fight,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: he was supposed to pass Rocky Marciano, right? For the most... And...
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: He was not having any of it. Rocket couldn't carry my,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: and it was hilarious. Like you can say what you
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: want about the timing. It was hilarious. And Oh, by
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: the way, guys who walked away from boxing, never to
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: be seen again. Number one on that list is Michael Spinks.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: At least I've seen Marvin Hagler since then. I didn't
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: know until this very moment that Michael Spinks was still alive.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: He took that L from Mike Tyson and was like,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: why am I ever going to do this again? Oh yeah.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: He got out of here real quick.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: And again, that the way that it ended for Spinks
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: moving up to heavyweight, they're getting knocked out by, by
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: Mike Tyson. People forget he is one of the greatest
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: light heavyweights of all time. This is an all time
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: great fighter, a bad, bad, bad man. But, that's a
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: clip that he's never going to be able to escape.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, he beat Larry Spinks. I mean,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Larry Holmes twice. Yes. Which I did not realize. Right.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: He beat Larry Holmes twice. He did it for the
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: people and beat Jerry Cooney. We just, you know, we just,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: we needed to, we needed to do something about that.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? He went ahead and he
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: did that. And the thing about the Tyson fight with
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: him is that part of why the Tyson Spinks fight
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: resonates is because Michael Spinks was so good. Like this
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: wasn't Peter McNeely that he did this to. And it
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: was just the look on his face going in there.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Like whatever film he watched told these guys who think
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: they could beat anybody. Let him know you are hopeless. Yeah.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: In this circumstance. Exactly.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Well, and it's, it rarely do you see that in
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: Bob because boxers have great poker faces for all the
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: reasons that we've been describing throughout this episode. But, I
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: don't think that anyone is editorializing when they go back
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: and watch that fight and the camera pans to Spinks
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: after Tyson had walked in the ring to surmise that
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: this is a man who was a little bit afraid
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: of what was about to happen.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Have you seen the David Wayans routine about what he
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: would do if he had to go fight Mike Tyson?
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: He'd be like, weighing in at 185 pounds and standing
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: in a puddle of his own piss. David Wayans. Come on, man.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Come on. And maybe this is something I need to
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: find some way to do something about. It's just to
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: replicate the terror that Mike Tyson inflicted upon the world
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: for a good five years. Five solid years. There's never
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: been anything like this. Those of us who grew up
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: and came of age of boxing with that, it was
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: really hard to adjust after the fact. There was just
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: nothing like this. Maybe the George Foreman people could remember
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: something similar.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: But even Foreman, it wasn't this. It was something different.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: And again, you go back to the ring walk, right?
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: And the fear that he instilled in his opponents, it
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: just came from him. Because Tyson ring walks, he wasn't
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: riding to the ring on a tank. He didn't have
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: any theatric. It was him with a towel that he
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: cut with some scissors in the back and some DMX
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: or Tupac and him just walking to the ring.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: He didn't need.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: To produce a spectacle to make you nervous about what
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: was happening. It was just that you were about to
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: fight him.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: And 80s Mike Tyson was literally the... black person that
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: people were afraid of. You notice I didn't say white people, right?
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Black people were afraid of him too. Why? Because he
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: might've punched your grandmother in the jaw to steal her groceries.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Like he was wholeheartedly, it's amazing that Mike Tyson thrives
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: and exists in society in the way that he does
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: right now. Because no one has ever been more terrifying
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: than Mike Tyson was. Like how crazy it is that
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Snoop exists like he does now? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: That has nothing to do with what– that has nothing
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: on Mike Tyson.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: I mean it might have something to do with both–
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: people just want to smoke weed with both of them.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: That is true. That is– there's something to that.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: One thing I was going to say about Mike though
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: too is like in addition to him being terrifying, when
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: you look back, you also realize– and you've made this point.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: I've always remembered this. You made this point about Ali.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: and how photogenic he was, and how cool he was.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: Mike Tyson was really cool. And when you look back
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: at Mike in that era, the stuff he's wearing, you
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: put that fit on today, and you're getting compliments.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: But it was a brooding cool, right? Mike Tyson walks
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: in the room, he's that guy, because don't nobody want
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: to smoke. He is the ultimate don't nobody. You wouldn't
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: want to smoke with him, even if you didn't know
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: he was the heavyweight champion. You would just know when
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: he walked in. Y'all want to smoke. Yeah.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: The guy in the overalls and no shirt.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Don't want to mess with him. With the powdered
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: donut all over his mustache. That's the thing about it.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: It had the nerve to be like really badly on cocaine.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, we can joke about this. He's pretty
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: open about everything he did.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Thing, man.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Like, it's all.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: The wildest thing about him is there's only one thing
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: he won't cop to. And it's the case in Indiana.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: That seems pretty clearly to be what they said it was. Yeah.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: But the most compelling argument on his side is he
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: cops to everything else. Right. Yeah. He does not cop
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: to this one. I would also point out whoever's job
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: it was to be like, let's bring Mike in front
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: of the beauty pageant contestants. That was not what I
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: would have recommended.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: Something that probably wouldn't happen in 2012.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: I can say that. It might very well happen in 2025.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Todo es posible en 2025, mi hermano. Estoy practicando un poco. Oh, sí, sí, sí.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Yo tomo lecciones dos días cada semana. Por dos años ahora.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Now the jig is up for me. I'm pretty slow.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: But you've been down there in Rio, Mexico. Cory hit
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: me up like, yo, I'm in Oaxaca. You need to
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: come check it out. Cory knows the spots. Yeah, I'm
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: not at the resort, man. I'm out there. Let me
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: tell you about Hermosillo. You are in... you are in
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: estas calles that's where you are in these streets ladies
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: and gentlemen that is the great cory urban check him
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: out at ring magazine check him out at the zone
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: talking boxing my brother i love you and i appreciate
• 57:40
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• 57:43
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• 57:44
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• 57:46
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• 57:48
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