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Jim Jordan and the Doctor Who Destroyed 170 Lives (Surviving Ohio State) · Under the Docs

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Speaker 1: You know, he's a little fond alert and the implication
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Speaker 1: is just that everybody knew about this and eventually people
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Speaker 1: were just kind of joking about it.
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Speaker 2: Under the Dogs, Yeah, under the Dogs, very regular looks funny.
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Speaker 2: Could they arise all the shots the dogs, under the docks,
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Speaker 2: under the ducks, Yeah, under the docks, under the dogs.
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Speaker 4: Foosball Mondays right like for the Super Bowl, so we
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Speaker 4: could get into some of this stuff. We're gonna get
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Speaker 4: a little foosball true crime.
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Speaker 5: What you say, are we doing surviving Ohio State? We are.
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Speaker 5: Isn't that wrestling?
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Speaker 4: It is wrestling, but there's a little bit of everything
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Speaker 4: in it right, there's Ohio States known for football, so
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna be like, we're gonna count it as football,
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Speaker 4: and being a Michigan fan, mine as well bring out
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Speaker 4: some of their dirty laundries because I'm sure there will
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Speaker 4: be some documentaries coming soon about Michigan that we will cover.
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Speaker 4: There will also be some dirty laundry, but we'll get
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Speaker 4: to that later. And this is Surviving Ohio State, directed
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Speaker 4: by Evan Orner and written by John Wernstein. This follows
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Speaker 4: spoiler alert a doctor who is fondling wrestlers, hockey players,
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Speaker 4: football players, but it mainly focuses on the wrestling team,
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Speaker 4: but it sprinkles in come some of the other sports.
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Speaker 4: I guess when you go for your routine physical, he
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Speaker 4: feels you up to completion.
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Speaker 3: Pllotting the course.
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Speaker 4: Surviving Ohio State examines doctor Richard Stratus, a long time
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Speaker 4: physician at Ohio State from nineteen seventy eight to nineteen
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Speaker 4: ninety eight, and there's testimonies from his alleged victim. So
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Speaker 4: the major claim in this whole documentary is that this
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Speaker 4: doctor was fondling a lot of these kids throughout his
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Speaker 4: forty thirty forty year spend time in Ohio State.
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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna just drop all the alleged for if
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Speaker 1: there's like an AI listening that wants to make sure
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Speaker 1: we're not doing anything legally, raw whatever. Anytime we make
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Speaker 1: a claim that just sounds like the dude straight up
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Speaker 1: did it. Just assume allegedly, but the dude straight up
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Speaker 1: did it right Like he's dead now and they did
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Speaker 1: some investigations post mortem, and even Ohio State was like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: he kind of did it. I get yeah, I guess
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Speaker 1: he was doing all this and the claims are wild too.
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Speaker 1: This isn't I remember this going through the media and
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Speaker 1: I hear it brought up every once in a while.
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Speaker 1: I don't really know all the details. We get the
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Speaker 1: details now, like an extreme detail. And it's this doctor
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Speaker 1: Richard Strauss, this old dude that worked for Ohio State
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Speaker 1: for like over twenty years since the late nineteen seventies.
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Speaker 1: And he's essentially just a sports doctor if you're in
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Speaker 1: a team sport, specifically wrestling, but he kind of like
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Speaker 1: branched out to all the different sports. But if you're
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Speaker 1: in a wrestling team and you got to go see
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Speaker 1: any doctor for any reason, you're seeing this dude because
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Speaker 1: you can afford it, and you've got a scholarship, and
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Speaker 1: he's the one that's gonna check you out anyways. And
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Speaker 1: even if you don't want to see him, he's the
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Speaker 1: guy that gives you your physical and your your thumbs
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Speaker 1: up or thumbs down, whether you can continue playing, and
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Speaker 1: whether or not your scholarship exists. So he's got this
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Speaker 1: crazy power imbalance over people coming in. The other wild
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Speaker 1: thing is that these aren't necessarily kids or teenagers. These
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Speaker 1: are like young adults. They're going into college, maybe even
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Speaker 1: beyond freshmen. There's even a fellow teacher that gets swept
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Speaker 1: up in this, like doctor Strauss is fondling men his
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Speaker 1: own age as well, and no one's talking about it
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Speaker 1: because they're all afraid that it makes them gay.
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Speaker 4: And yeah, that's the good things focus on the beginning.
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Speaker 4: They're like, turns off the lights, he's grabbing my dong,
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Speaker 4: and I'm like, am I gay? I don't know, like
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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But the way that they
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Speaker 4: describe it, because he had like one hundred and seventy
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Speaker 4: like confirmed assaults, like twenty twenty eight hundred and three
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Speaker 4: thousand like complaints against him, but they would say that
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Speaker 4: when they would go for their physical that he would
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Speaker 4: shut off the lights, put a flashlight in his mouth
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Speaker 4: and go directly to your balls and your weighing and
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Speaker 4: just start like tugging on it, and like they're like, dang, man,
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Speaker 4: I don't.
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Speaker 3: Know if I'm gay.
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Speaker 4: That kind of made me chuckle a little bit because
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Speaker 4: I was like, there was no like I get the whole, like,
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Speaker 4: hey man, sports gotta be tough and stuff like that,
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Speaker 4: like breaking your leg. But when someone's just like rubbing
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Speaker 4: on your schlong and you're just like, ah, it's fine,
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Speaker 4: especially when they get back when they're like, yeah, broken angle,
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Speaker 4: peepee touch, I got sick, peepee touch.
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Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
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Speaker 4: My knee would need to be drained. Pepee touch. You're like,
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Speaker 4: come on man. At some point you're like, hey, bro,
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Speaker 4: this is not what it came for.
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Speaker 1: And apparently everyone knows about it. The coaches know about it,
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Speaker 1: the school knows about it, admin knows about it, and
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Speaker 1: they're all.
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Speaker 5: Just like, yeah, that's doctor strauss Man. He's a wild one.
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Speaker 5: Isn't a crazy crazy guy? You know, guys will be guys.
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Speaker 1: But everyone's complaining and so here I do understand this
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Speaker 1: premise as they're talking to all these guys, and a
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Speaker 1: lot of them are like talking about they're seeing comments
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Speaker 1: online and someone's like, matter, if anyone ever tried to
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Speaker 1: do that to me, I'd knocked that old guy out.
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Speaker 1: So here's the explanations that we get from these dudes
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Speaker 1: that are now in like their fifties and sixties, right
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Speaker 1: cause they're talking about they had scholarships in the mid
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighties for wrestling, so they've they been around a minute.
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Speaker 1: They're at least in the fifties. And some of them
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Speaker 1: are like, I've never even talked about this until just now.
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Speaker 1: And the point was that they'd go in some of
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Speaker 1: them was a first physical they ever had in their
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Speaker 1: entire life. And when he's like, all right, drop trou
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Speaker 1: and he gets all up in your business and you
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Speaker 1: can feel his breath when he's talking to you, like
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Speaker 1: in your business. Right, some of them were just like, man,
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Speaker 1: right when it started to get strange, when it was like, man,
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Speaker 1: he's been down there a little bit longer than I'm expecting,
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Speaker 1: and they'd.
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Speaker 5: Be like, hey, man, what's going on. He'd be like,
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Speaker 5: all right, we're all good here.
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Speaker 1: Looks looks like we're good to go, so he would
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Speaker 1: kind of like ride it right to the edge. But
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Speaker 1: some of the guys were like, yeah, he's down there
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Speaker 1: and he's like moving things around, and I'm starting to
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Speaker 1: react to it in a sexual way.
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Speaker 5: Does that mean I'm gay?
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Speaker 1: So they get a little bit afraid of it, and
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Speaker 1: that they're also afraid that he's going to remove their scholarship.
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Speaker 1: They're going to have to move back home. And they
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Speaker 1: make a point later in the documentary where they say
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Speaker 1: he didn't just do it to every single person that
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Speaker 1: came in. He'd figure out if you were like an
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Speaker 1: at risk if the person come into the office, you know, like, oh,
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Speaker 1: if you lose your scholarship, you're going back to po
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Speaker 1: dunk wherever. So I can kind of like skirt this
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Speaker 1: line a little bit farther and keep pushing this and
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Speaker 1: it gets insane, right. It gets to the point where
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Speaker 1: he's drugging people and bringing them back to his house
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Speaker 1: and like actually assaulting them overnight. It gets so bad
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Speaker 1: that a female fencing coach she her daughter's boyfriend is
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Speaker 1: on one of these teams, and I think he's like
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Speaker 1: in the fencing team and he gets his ear cut
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Speaker 1: because they're fencing so he like slices his ear. He
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Speaker 1: goes in to see this guy to like patch his
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Speaker 1: ear up, and the guys like, drop drout. He gotta,
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Speaker 1: we gotta check for her, and he is and he's like,
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Speaker 1: but my ear got cut, and he goes tells his girlfriend.
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Speaker 1: The girlfriend tells the mom, and she actually makes a
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Speaker 1: thing out of this. She goes and tells admin. She
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Speaker 1: starts like making complaints, and the general consensus is, well,
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Speaker 1: do you have any proof? Do you have any evidence?
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Speaker 1: Do you have anybody at all that's willing to come
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Speaker 1: forward and say that this happened? And then it was
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Speaker 1: crickets And instead of her even just dying down and
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Speaker 1: being like, all right, if you guys don't want to
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Speaker 1: speak up, she was like.
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Speaker 5: Well, screw this.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna speak up anyways, and I'm gonna make this
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Speaker 1: an issue. And she pushes on this for like another
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Speaker 1: ten years, and ultimately, no spoiler alert, nothing really ever
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Speaker 1: happens to this guy. He gets away with it and
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Speaker 1: ends up committing suicide. And then they're like, oh, maybe
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Speaker 1: he commits suicide because he was like really guilty about
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Speaker 1: all this, or he thought that he was going to
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Speaker 1: get in trouble legally. Nope, he just had some crazy
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Speaker 1: disorder where he was in physical pain. So he just
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Speaker 1: took the easy way out. He just exited stage left
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Speaker 1: early so he wouldn't have to deal with his physical
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Speaker 1: pain that he was going through. So even though he's dead,
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Speaker 1: he didn't even die like feeling bad about any of
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Speaker 1: this or feeling guilty or being.
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Speaker 5: Accused of it.
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Speaker 1: So that's kind of the whole premise of this story
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Speaker 1: and where getting everyone's reactions to it that actually lived
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Speaker 1: through this, and a lot of them for the first
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Speaker 1: time they're speaking up about it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and they made like the good points of that.
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Speaker 4: That's where they kind of answered it for me where
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Speaker 4: they were like, hey, yeah, it's easy for you to
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Speaker 4: be like I would have done this, and I would Again,
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Speaker 4: there is points where I'm like, Okay, I get it,
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Speaker 4: like you. People can get like, hey, I don't want
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Speaker 4: to lose my scholarship. That's all they have and he
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Speaker 4: and like you said, they specifically going after people that
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Speaker 4: were at risk. Also part of this film is that
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Speaker 4: how many people actually he knew about this, the coaches
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Speaker 4: and they were seeing a lot of it was hidden
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Speaker 4: because of he was also an expert on steroids. That's
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Speaker 4: that that was a huge, like a fun fact for me, like, oh, no,
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Speaker 4: wonder A lot of lots of these coaches like, well,
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Speaker 4: he's souping my guys up and we're winning games, we're
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Speaker 4: winning national championships, we're looking good on whatever sport we're doing.
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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna look I'm gonna look the other way.
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Speaker 4: Plus he can incriminate me because he's getting me the stuff,
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Speaker 4: and I can look bad, So I'm gonna look the
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Speaker 4: other way if he looks the other way. And that's
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Speaker 4: a lot of what you see in this film.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's probably the biggest AHA moment for me
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Speaker 1: because I'm watching this and I'm just thinking, like, what
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Speaker 1: does this guy have on this school that they're not
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Speaker 1: just being like yo, he got you know the third report.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna just go ahead and part ways, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: find how hard would it be to just find another doctor,
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Speaker 1: Like what is this guy doing that some other doctor
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Speaker 1: couldn't just swap him out. There's the answer. And it's
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Speaker 1: not just that he's given them steroids, but he is
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Speaker 1: the nation lead. He is like a world renowned expert
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Speaker 1: on steroids. Early in the nineteen eighties before they even
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Speaker 1: get controversial, and Barry Bonds has to have like an
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Speaker 1: asterisk next to his name, right, this is like pre
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Speaker 1: all of that. And on top of this being this expert,
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Speaker 1: he's bringing guys in and telling them, oh, yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: just a BE twelve shot. So the way that he's
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Speaker 1: administering steroids to all these players at OSU, he's doing
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Speaker 1: it in a way that easily gives everybody else in
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Speaker 1: the organization a way to turn a blind eye and
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Speaker 1: they can just be like, oh, he said it was
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Speaker 1: B twelve the whole time, How was I supposed to
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Speaker 1: know it was steroids? Even though it's like, bro, you know,
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Speaker 1: like the players knew it was steroids. One guy was like,
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Speaker 1: I've had B twelve before, this was not B twelve.
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Speaker 1: I mean I felt great, I had energy, I recovered immediately,
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Speaker 1: Like they all sort of knew, but no one really
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Speaker 1: said anything.
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Speaker 5: And that's that's the reason.
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Speaker 1: That's the reason why this guy was around for twenty
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Speaker 1: plus years, becomes emeritus, right, like gets to retire with credentials.
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Speaker 1: It's all because he had this dirt, but he was
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Speaker 1: very useful to this organization. It just turns out that
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Speaker 1: his fee for providing this service was to molest like
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Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy guys in this And so even
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Speaker 1: if we're like, yeah, okay, I can understand he's gonna
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Speaker 1: take your scholarship away, maybe you don't know what a
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Speaker 1: physical supposed to entail.
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Speaker 5: So it's it's not just like straight up, the.
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Speaker 1: Guy just started jerking me off and like talking dirty
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Speaker 1: and lit candles. It was like I'd like they didn't
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Speaker 1: know if this was over the line or not, Like
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Speaker 1: I guess he's a doctor. I mean, hell, if he's
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Speaker 1: been here for twenty years and every other guy in
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Speaker 1: this locker room all has been through the exact same thing,
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Speaker 1: because they're joking about it, so clearly it's real, Like
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Speaker 1: if this guy's still here, I guess this is normal.
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Speaker 1: That this isn't really a sault. So that's one of
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Speaker 1: the angles. What about the guy that was his peer though,
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Speaker 1: the other guy that comes in for a shower and
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Speaker 1: he says, yeah, doctor Strauss. He comes into the shower
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Speaker 1: and he stands right next to me. This is like
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Speaker 1: the the urinal law he violates immediately right like he
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Speaker 1: goes right next to me in the shower, dis Robes
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Speaker 1: and he says that as he's taking a shower, he
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Speaker 1: feels a hand on his ass and all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: doctor Strauss is like massaging. Is that he didn't explain
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Speaker 1: beyond that. It sounded like it had to have been
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Speaker 1: more than just like he touched my butt with his hand.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like it goes beyond that. But I was
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Speaker 1: just thinking, like, now, what's this guy's excuse? And he
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Speaker 1: was the same age as Strauss, roughly right when they're
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Speaker 1: interviewing this movie. He's probably sixties seventies and he's talking
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Speaker 1: about I didn't know what to do. I was shocked,
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Speaker 1: you know, I like, normally I would have just knocked
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Speaker 1: somebody out, but for some reason, I just sat there
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Speaker 1: and pretended like it didn't happen. And then he said
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Speaker 1: that he immediately went and reported it to assistant head
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Speaker 1: coach Jim Jordan, who's now a Republican congressman, right, and
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Speaker 1: Jim Jordan was just like, yeah, that's that's Strauss man,
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Speaker 1: that's doctor Strauss.
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Speaker 5: What are you gonna do?
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Speaker 3: So, you know, he's a little Fondlert.
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Speaker 1: Then the implication is just that everybody knew about this,
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Speaker 1: and eventually people.
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Speaker 5: Were just kind of joking about it.
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Speaker 4: Hidden treasures and overboard moments. There is hidden treasures, and
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Speaker 4: you alluded to it in our last segment. Jim Jordan
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Speaker 4: was a hidden treasure for me because I'm like, I've
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Speaker 4: I've followed sports, but I'm not a huge wrestling guy,
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Speaker 4: and I don't know every single person that I knew.
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Speaker 4: Jim Jordan went to Ohio State. But You're like, who
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Speaker 4: wha whooa. This guy that's always calling people out was
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Speaker 4: in the monthst among this huge silent scene. It's almost
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Speaker 4: like pre Epstein list, right, He's like, oh yeah STRAUSI man,
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Speaker 4: don't where about STROUSI man, you get in there. You
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Speaker 4: know you have a little peepe touch every now and
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Speaker 4: then you're gonna go. But he'll shoot you up with
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Speaker 4: some be twelve wink wink and that problem.
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Speaker 3: In your knees going away.
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Speaker 4: I thought that was a highlight because I didn't realize
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Speaker 4: because at first I kept hearinghim say Jim Jones. I
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Speaker 4: mean Jim Jones. I think that's a different documentary Jim Jordan.
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Speaker 4: And I'm like, I can't be the same Jim Jordan
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Speaker 4: is it? And I'm like looking up at the same
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Speaker 4: time I'm looking it up, I'm like, oh, that is
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Speaker 4: US representative Jim Jordan is a part of this scandal,
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Speaker 4: which I found to be fascinating because I never knew
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Speaker 4: that he was a part of the scandal.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's his doctor, right, like if you are,
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Speaker 1: he's assistant coach next to the main coach. They both knew,
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Speaker 1: and that's kind of the ones that interact with them
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Speaker 1: the most. Those would be the ones if they were
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Speaker 1: to complain to administration. Then it's like, oh, man, if
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Speaker 1: my head coaches are coming to me saying that this
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Speaker 1: guy needs to go, then he needs to go. But
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Speaker 1: there was nothing but benefit for them to just keep
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Speaker 1: him on the payroll for this. The biggest hidden treasure
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Speaker 1: for me is that we get interviews directly with all
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Speaker 1: these people. You get depositions from back in like the
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Speaker 1: nineties for the few times that this ever started to
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Speaker 1: become a legal thing against spoiler alert, Like, no one's
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Speaker 1: got in trouble, no one's been successfully sued over this
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Speaker 1: thing has come of it other than this documentary essentially,
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Speaker 1: And I think that it's it's crazy to actually see
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Speaker 1: how some of this stuff played out and how there
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Speaker 1: was like no hope of anyone being brought to judgment
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Speaker 1: for any of this. Like again, Jim Jordan's is still
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Speaker 1: active in Congress. He's it's not like he was taken
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Speaker 1: out in disgrace. You just denied any of this ever happening,
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Speaker 1: And that's pretty much how it all resolved itself. I
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Speaker 1: think that even if you don't care about sports or
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Speaker 1: wrestling or any of this stuff, it's still a documentary
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Speaker 1: you'll be interested in. You don't have to care about
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Speaker 1: sports whatsoever. So that was a little bit of a
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Speaker 1: hidden treasure. And then the whole the retrospect of all
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Speaker 1: these guys, like as they're talking to the camera and
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Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, man, after I hear like five other
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Speaker 1: people describing what happened to them, or after they show
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Speaker 1: them the report that OSU and does an internal report
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Speaker 1: complete with bar graphs and everything, it's like you get
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Speaker 1: a visual bar graph of the different types of abuse
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Speaker 1: the HID did different ferent people, and someone's like, damn,
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Speaker 1: that barograph is huge, Like they were thinking it might
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Speaker 1: have been fifteen twenty people, not nearly two hundred people.
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Speaker 1: And then they're starting to realize, Wow, like I guess
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Speaker 1: I was abused I kind of had just told myself
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Speaker 1: that maybe this was normal, Maybe this is just something
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Speaker 1: that you know, wrestlers and high end athletes go through
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Speaker 1: and they just don't talk about it. And it's like, nah,
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Speaker 1: this guy was a super creeper the entire time, just
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Speaker 1: being enabled by the whole system. So I think that
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Speaker 1: if you care at all about this topic, the documentary
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Speaker 1: does a very thorough and very.
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Speaker 5: Like like extensive look into it.
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Speaker 1: Who the people were, all the victims, and all their
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Speaker 1: claims were. I got let me jump into an overboard
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Speaker 1: moment too, And this is part of the time I'm
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Speaker 1: like rolling my eyes a little bit because one of
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Speaker 1: the main guys in here is I think his name
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Speaker 1: is Dan Ritchie, and he was the best wrestler in
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Speaker 1: the state. I think he was in like eighth grade,
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Speaker 1: taken down high schoolers. He gets a scholarship to be
17:58
Speaker 1: on this wrestling team, and he goes through this and
18:01
Speaker 1: he kind of becomes one of the main people that
18:03
Speaker 1: we get interviewed in this and he's like, yeah, it
18:07
Speaker 1: got so bad that I left the team. I quit
18:10
Speaker 1: the team, and everyone knew why I was quitting the team,
18:12
Speaker 1: and no one did anything about it, and he just
18:14
Speaker 1: went back home, lost a scholarship, and it like he
18:17
Speaker 1: kind of implies I get ruined this trajectory in his
18:20
Speaker 1: entire life. But then he's talking about like yeah, and
18:23
Speaker 1: like sometime after that, oh, did I mention that doctor
18:26
Speaker 1: Strauss was also a really good photographer and he would
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Speaker 1: do modeling photography.
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Speaker 5: He even got one guy a modeling job.
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Speaker 1: So even though I'm going through all this trauma and
18:37
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm quitting the team coach, I don't want
18:39
Speaker 1: to have to deal with this guy on weekends, I'm
18:42
Speaker 1: going to this guy's house and I'm like, yeah, take
18:44
Speaker 1: nude photos of me because I can make money from it.
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Speaker 5: And then I think he might have drugged me. I
18:49
Speaker 5: think it might have gotten inappropriate. I wasn't expecting that,
18:51
Speaker 5: and I was like.
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Speaker 1: Bro, like it's hard to say both things out of
18:56
Speaker 1: the same mouth and the same documentary. On one angle,
18:58
Speaker 1: It's like I didn't know it was wrong, and you know,
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Speaker 1: I felt so weird that I just I quit.
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Speaker 5: I took a stay and I quit.
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Speaker 1: But also I did a little bit of nude modeling
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Speaker 1: for him on the side, So I mean, people are complex, right,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not just gonna say, every decision needs to
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Speaker 1: be rational and understood. But like he kind of presents
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Speaker 1: one case and then they don't really explore like, well,
19:20
Speaker 1: why why did you do that? What was going through
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Speaker 1: your mind in that? So that was a little overboard
19:24
Speaker 1: for me. I wish the documentary would have pressed.
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Speaker 5: On it a little bit more.
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Speaker 1: But this is one of those documentaries where they don't
19:30
Speaker 1: necessarily like insert themselves into the dialogue, so all you
19:36
Speaker 1: get are their own words.
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Speaker 4: And you're seeing them in real time kind of like, well, yeah,
19:41
Speaker 4: I guess we shouldn't do that. He was saying, like
19:44
Speaker 4: it probably was wrong. Maybe that was on me. He
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Speaker 4: even says that, like he as he's telling the story,
19:50
Speaker 4: he's probably realizing like, yeah, maybe that's on me. Man,
19:53
Speaker 4: Yeah on me, Bud, Sorry about that. Guys, we could
19:56
Speaker 4: wrap this up. I probably shouldn't have been like, yeah,
19:59
Speaker 4: let's push the issue so I can get some pictures
20:01
Speaker 4: from this guy. And he's like then he tells me
20:02
Speaker 4: take my shirt off, Like what's he talking about? Like, man,
20:05
Speaker 4: come on, man, you know the guy. He's already fondled you.
20:09
Speaker 4: You should you should be knowing what's happening. But I
20:11
Speaker 4: do want to highlight something else that I thought I
20:12
Speaker 4: was a hidden treasure that is male sexual assault. Like
20:17
Speaker 4: it's something that you're not gonna hear a lot about. Right,
20:20
Speaker 4: if this is happening, it's easier to keep it under wraps.
20:22
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that when this happens to women, because
20:25
Speaker 4: this happened in Michigan State, this happened to a couple
20:27
Speaker 4: other departments. But usually, like the women come forward, and
20:30
Speaker 4: I think that the men are in this weird like
20:34
Speaker 4: sphere where they're like, well, I don't want someone to
20:36
Speaker 4: say I'm gay or like you know what I mean,
20:38
Speaker 4: or auto, so it doesn't happen, and everybody's kind of
20:41
Speaker 4: like in suit. So not only are all the coaches
20:45
Speaker 4: and all the staffers and everybody at the administration level
20:48
Speaker 4: kind of being silent on it.
20:49
Speaker 3: The players are too.
20:50
Speaker 4: They're joking about it, but they're they don't want to
20:53
Speaker 4: hurt their ego. And I think that's like a hidden
20:55
Speaker 4: treasure within itself is where you're like, yeah, you gotta
20:58
Speaker 4: look at situations and like, not only would it have
21:00
Speaker 4: been good for you to speak up for yourself, but
21:03
Speaker 4: maybe like half of those people don't have to encounter
21:06
Speaker 4: him if you push the issue, but it's men are
21:09
Speaker 4: afraid to push that issue and there would rather get
21:11
Speaker 4: a pet touch and be like all right, I'm just
21:13
Speaker 4: gonna get out of this and then bringing it the
21:15
Speaker 4: attention and bring it to light because it had to
21:17
Speaker 4: be a woman to actually get this ball rolling. And
21:22
Speaker 4: the only thing that did happen was they were like,
21:23
Speaker 4: all right, well he won't do the fencing anymore. Right,
21:27
Speaker 4: They're like, he'll do all the other sports, but fencing
21:29
Speaker 4: he's out of that now.
21:30
Speaker 3: So I was just like, that's a hidden treasure for me.
21:33
Speaker 4: Is We're like, hey, if something like that's happening, speak up,
21:36
Speaker 4: Like if you can't, okay, I don't expect someone to
21:39
Speaker 4: swing on the guy, but speak up, man, you gotta
21:42
Speaker 4: like help the next guy. Man, you some guy just
21:45
Speaker 4: grabbing dongs all day has got to be exposed.
21:48
Speaker 1: And they did make a really good point in this
21:51
Speaker 1: documentary that because this is all happening in the seventies, eighties,
21:56
Speaker 1: and nineties, right, it basically is spanning two and a
21:59
Speaker 1: half decks gides, and in twenty seventeen, this is like
22:02
Speaker 1: twenty years after this guy's been dead. In twenty seventeen,
22:07
Speaker 1: another story happens in the media where Larry Nasar, who
22:10
Speaker 1: was training the Olympic gymnasts, that all of a sudden,
22:14
Speaker 1: these gymnasts all start coming forward and he apparently like
22:16
Speaker 1: I didn't really understand the details of that either. Is basically,
22:19
Speaker 1: he was doing the exact same thing, but he was
22:21
Speaker 1: doing it to like younger girls, and that now they're
22:25
Speaker 1: old enough that they had talked to each other and
22:27
Speaker 1: they had talked to their parents and talked to other
22:29
Speaker 1: doctors and slowly put together like, oh what those little
22:33
Speaker 1: physicals that he was doing were not normal. So this
22:36
Speaker 1: goes through trial and he's still alive, so he gets tried.
22:39
Speaker 1: It's making news, and as this has taken shape in
22:43
Speaker 1: like the public media, all these guys from Ohio State
22:47
Speaker 1: are like, damn, this sounds exactly like what doctor Strauss
22:51
Speaker 1: was doing to us twenty years ago. So they start
22:54
Speaker 1: connecting with each other and putting together the pieces and
22:57
Speaker 1: that's when this thing comes to I guess head and
23:01
Speaker 1: forms what we get out of this documentary. But it
23:04
Speaker 1: was that being the catalyst as the girls' gymnastics teams
23:08
Speaker 1: going against Larry Nasar, that they.
23:10
Speaker 5: Were like, oh, it was wrong.
23:11
Speaker 1: I knew that dude was being creepy. But I guess
23:15
Speaker 1: we just joked it off instead of bringing them to court.
23:23
Speaker 3: It's about that time, sink or swim.
23:28
Speaker 5: I'll give this one a peer swim man. This one
23:30
Speaker 5: it blew my mind.
23:32
Speaker 1: It showed also how everyone got away with it, and
23:36
Speaker 1: that even right now to this day, like Jim Jordan's
23:39
Speaker 1: not really being held accountable. Rust the lead coach was
23:43
Speaker 1: never really held accountable the OSU itself. This has gone
23:46
Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court turned it
23:50
Speaker 1: down right, So the main reason is because it's just
23:53
Speaker 1: too old, there's too much dust on it, it's outside
23:55
Speaker 1: the statute of limitations. I think they said that it's
23:58
Speaker 1: about two years and now we're talking over twenty that
24:01
Speaker 1: a lot of this happened in so all the courts
24:04
Speaker 1: are just like, sorry, you should have spoken up earlier.
24:07
Speaker 1: Just another version of like me too, only drives in
24:10
Speaker 1: one direction, I guess. But it's a total swim just
24:14
Speaker 1: because you don't have to care about sports, you don't
24:17
Speaker 1: even have to care about.
24:18
Speaker 5: True crime or anything.
24:19
Speaker 1: And this one is hard to forget, like how crazy
24:23
Speaker 1: institutions can get. They mentioned this is a one point
24:25
Speaker 1: to the Athletics Department OSU alone was one point two
24:29
Speaker 1: billion dollars that they made over the span of all
24:32
Speaker 1: these different allegations, and that no one's paid out, no
24:36
Speaker 1: one's gotten any legal trouble, Like nothing has happened.
24:40
Speaker 3: I'm going to give it a swim myself.
24:42
Speaker 4: I like the aspect of where they blew my mind
24:45
Speaker 4: with the Jim Jordan stuff, like I was like, dude,
24:47
Speaker 4: I didn't even realize he's a part of this. It
24:49
Speaker 4: just shows you how these college institutions are also powerful.
24:53
Speaker 4: Like I love the sports and everything. It's fun to watch,
24:56
Speaker 4: but these are powerhouses. These are not guys that are
24:58
Speaker 4: just like, you know, a couple hundred dollars to get
25:01
Speaker 4: their their new tennis shoes. Know, these are billion dollar
25:04
Speaker 4: corporations that run shit. So they will also hide things.
25:08
Speaker 4: They will silence people, they will look the other way
25:11
Speaker 4: because they don't want that bad attention, that bad press
25:15
Speaker 4: that they're gonna get.
25:16
Speaker 3: And this film actually taught me some stuff. It showed
25:19
Speaker 3: me like I should think a little.
25:22
Speaker 4: Bit differently because I was kind of, you know, kind
25:24
Speaker 4: of getting at these guys like, oh man, I was
25:26
Speaker 4: one of the guys like man that happened to me,
25:29
Speaker 4: I'll soock them in the face, man like. But I
25:32
Speaker 4: kind of got a little bit more compassion for people
25:35
Speaker 4: like that, where I'm like, I guess these are eighteen
25:36
Speaker 4: year old, nineteen year old kids that don't really know
25:39
Speaker 4: what's going.
25:39
Speaker 5: On, and one old guy at some point.
25:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, it won thirty year old guy.
25:44
Speaker 4: But I think, you know, give or take some of
25:46
Speaker 4: these stuff, Like I think you know you can wash away,
25:48
Speaker 4: but that many accusations, and to see how easy it
25:52
Speaker 4: is for someone like that, there's a NASA, there's what's
25:56
Speaker 4: his name in Penn State, Sandusky.
25:59
Speaker 3: This this is more common and prevalent than we probably think.
26:02
Speaker 4: Like when we did the Alabama solutions and we talked like, hey,
26:06
Speaker 4: these jails are everywhere, I think this is also everywhere.
26:09
Speaker 4: I think if you go start looking under rugs and
26:13
Speaker 4: all this stuff where they're hiding things, you'll see dirty
26:15
Speaker 4: laundry out of all these huge universities of stuff like that,
26:19
Speaker 4: because they can get away with it and have the power,
26:21
Speaker 4: and they have these young minds that are easily to
26:24
Speaker 4: either manipulate or to get out of the way.
26:26
Speaker 3: So I think it's a good watch to really kind
26:30
Speaker 3: of see how these institutions run.
26:32
Speaker 1: I really think too a late hidden treasure on this,
26:36
Speaker 1: but it was really it was like added a lot
26:41
Speaker 1: of credit to it that all these guys that are
26:42
Speaker 1: coming out and talking now, I didn't get any impression
26:45
Speaker 1: that any of them are looking for a payday. They
26:47
Speaker 1: probably don't expect anyone's going to be held accountable or
26:50
Speaker 1: get money from any of this stuff, but that as
26:53
Speaker 1: soon as the question comes up, it's like, well, here's
26:55
Speaker 1: a clip of Jim Jordans saying that he denied it.
26:58
Speaker 1: Every single without fail, every single person that they're interviewing
27:01
Speaker 1: that was actually on a team with Jim Jordan as
27:05
Speaker 1: the assistant coach, like, oh no, he's a coward and
27:07
Speaker 1: he's a liar.
27:08
Speaker 5: He's absolutely lying. He absolutely knew about it.
27:11
Speaker 1: Even the thirty year old dude that was like bro
27:13
Speaker 1: I went directly to Jim Jordan and told him that
27:16
Speaker 1: this was happening, and he laughed it off and was like,
27:18
Speaker 1: that's STRAUSI. So there is unequivocal at least to me.
27:23
Speaker 1: It's not like they have proof of any of this
27:24
Speaker 1: on video because it all happened in the eighties and nineties.
27:27
Speaker 1: But I feel like beyond a shadow of a doubt.
27:30
Speaker 1: I believe that all this happened, that Jim Jordan knew
27:33
Speaker 1: that was happening, and that this is a perfect entrance
27:36
Speaker 1: into real conspiracy theories for normies.
27:40
Speaker 3: And it might not give you all the proof.
27:41
Speaker 4: But if you go to Paranoid American dot com and
27:44
Speaker 4: go get you a frazzle drip funhouse, I think that
27:48
Speaker 4: may give you a little inside of where Jim Jordan
27:51
Speaker 4: was going with all this.
27:52
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