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Episode 302: Outsiders (SG-A 5.12) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Get into Gate episode three O two. I can't say
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  Speaker 1: three hundred and two. It's gotta be a three o two.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, is it, mister worldwide, mister three or five.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get there eventually, We'll get there eventually.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously, it's obviously. Well you're the X three o
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  Speaker 2: two and I'm the F three oh two?
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  Speaker 1: Is that you?
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  Speaker 2: U f it?
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  Speaker 1: Whatever you want? Mate, Yeah, it's a free country.
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  Speaker 2: Well this one is mentioned here.
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  Speaker 1: We are apologies, big shout out to everyone listening to
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  Speaker 1: us from not a free country. Mitch and Maddie here
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  Speaker 1: talking about some stall Gates s g one, No, we're
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  Speaker 1: not stall get Atlantis, was.
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  Speaker 2: Like, what is he? This is a bit what is he.
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  Speaker 1: Doing on my own thing? Episode twelve of season five.
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  Speaker 2: Out Siders so much? That's it.
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  Speaker 1: This is mental man. I'm talking to Brandon about it
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  Speaker 1: the other day. He's like, oh, where are you guys
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  Speaker 1: up to and because he's a couple like back behind listening,
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  Speaker 1: but he knows that we've already recorded a couple and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, man, we're like we're within ten of
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  Speaker 1: getting to the final Atlantis, which is just crazy. Like
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  Speaker 1: I know, I've said it before for me This seems
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  Speaker 1: to have gone really fast at the end, because once
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  Speaker 1: we lost the one for one with SG one and
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  Speaker 1: I'm watching just SG A, you know, for the first time.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I've watched two or nearly two seasons worth
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  Speaker 1: of TV I've never seen before, and now it's yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Really funny. Is someone slid into the get into Gate
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  Speaker 2: Instagram dms yesterday? So episode twenty three blah blah blah,
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  Speaker 2: and then had an opinion on episode twenty three and
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, one, don't even know what episode that is.
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  Speaker 2: And then two, I'm like, that's got to be what
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  Speaker 2: eight years ago at this point, don't you start.
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  Speaker 1: Really, yeah, it'd be nearly nine, well maybe nine in
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  Speaker 1: the New Year, I guess. Geez, yeah, it wasn't Jake
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  Speaker 1: doing that for a whiles, and Jacob sort of coming
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  Speaker 1: one of our you know, friend listeners that we've become,
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  Speaker 1: you know, quite close with, saying, oh, back in this episode,
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  Speaker 1: what do you mean by this? And you had to go, hey, look,
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  Speaker 1: we know each other well enough. I don't remember that
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  Speaker 1: was so he.
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  Speaker 2: Would nearly make a reference. He would like, in the
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  Speaker 2: same way that we reference you know, Forrest Gump or
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  Speaker 2: something he'll reference oh, and he'll he'll use and I say,
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  Speaker 2: what is that from? And he goes from your own podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I said, I'm like what Sometimes I say you said it,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like me, I've never said that my life,
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  Speaker 2: and he's like, bitch.
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  Speaker 1: So speaking of things we don't remember saying, I don't
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  Speaker 1: have it ready with me now, but I will have
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  Speaker 1: it ready for another time. That's a little tease for
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  Speaker 1: a couple of episodes away outside as your twelve season five.
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  Speaker 1: Rip into the old synopsis and then we'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: this episode that's I don't want to speak out a
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  Speaker 1: turn here, Maddie that you said prior that when you
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  Speaker 1: went into this episode, you're like, I have no memory
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  Speaker 1: of this. Colonel John Shepherd and his team, aided by
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  Speaker 1: doctor Carson Beckett, struggled to save survivors of the hoff
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  Speaker 1: And plague from being sacrificed to the RAF.
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  Speaker 2: I believe it's pronounced bear Kit. Written by Alan McCulloch,
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  Speaker 2: We love it and McCollough directed by Will Wearing. He's
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  Speaker 2: a great guy, love match. Okay, what do you think? Oh,
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  Speaker 2: just hold on just just for anybody, just for anybody
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  Speaker 2: that wants to know how things work in the edit
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  Speaker 2: a different what do you think played? I mean, she says, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: we'll go this one instead, and just don't know what's
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  Speaker 2: just happened to me the one way? Oh what an
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  Speaker 2: awesome guy. Look, you haven't a rough week, mate? Did
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  Speaker 2: you need to hear that? Is that? What?
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  Speaker 1: That was? Just a little I need a little audio cuddle? Yeah, yeah, Look,
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  Speaker 1: to be fair, I went to play it before and
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  Speaker 1: then I had to pause it to like break down
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  Speaker 1: with you some bits about the episode that I definitely
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  Speaker 1: don't remember, and go, can you just remind me about this,
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  Speaker 1: this and this again? And so I just wanted to
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  Speaker 1: cycle back because this is a button just says what
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  Speaker 1: do you think, Mitch?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, so it's just a random run.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but I think I
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  Speaker 1: think it will go you know, one two three, one
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  Speaker 1: two three, And I'm like, I'll go back to what
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  Speaker 1: it was going to play because it had more time.
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  Speaker 1: It gave me more time to think about with this episode.
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  Speaker 2: So that feels a little more like it's on the tissm,
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  Speaker 2: like you need I know I played that one, so
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  Speaker 2: I need to play it again. No, maybe it's a
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  Speaker 2: bit tiss me but it did.
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  Speaker 1: It was the longest one. I'm like, it'll just give
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  Speaker 1: you those extra couple of seconds to think, because it
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  Speaker 1: was when we hit the one you're saying I skip.
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  Speaker 1: Was Daniel going, what do you think I need more
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  Speaker 1: than two seconds? Daniel Jackson, It's weird looking at this one.
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  Speaker 1: If you would have like just given me a glimpse
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  Speaker 1: into the future, what a year ago, like in real time,
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  Speaker 1: I guess you like the Seerlass year and you know
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  Speaker 1: Carson's dead, and I'm like, oh wow, they okay, he's
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  Speaker 1: not on the main team team, but he's a pretty
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  Speaker 1: main character. They've killed him off. Holy shit, Like was
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  Speaker 1: at the end of season three or whatever. A couple
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  Speaker 1: of episodes in season three, Yeah, and then you just
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  Speaker 1: like give me a glimpse into the future of what
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  Speaker 1: I'm watching, and there's like a pretty heavily led Carson
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  Speaker 1: led episode like this, like what the freaking hell's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Like even a few times that we'd seen him cloning Okay,
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  Speaker 1: he's frozen in the wall, bringing him out, it's like
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  Speaker 1: they're just sort of using him when they absolutely need to.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, now I've just got to accept and
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  Speaker 1: I do because I actually like him and like the
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  Speaker 1: performer that he is. Just he's just there now. It's
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  Speaker 1: like he never died, you know. But I also don't
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  Speaker 1: think it was they've start to bring him back. I
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  Speaker 1: haven't ever hit that level. I think I said that
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  Speaker 1: a few episodes with him ago, where I'm like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't feel like, oh god, okay, this is this is
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  Speaker 1: two point zh this is bullshit. They just they pulled
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  Speaker 1: to their heartstrings and no, I'm like, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: this is a clone and yeah, just.
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  Speaker 2: Just go Yeah. Come to think of it, though, when
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  Speaker 2: you were talking about when Carson was actually killed, the
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  Speaker 2: real Carson that was leaders of Atlantis.
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  Speaker 1: See, he's having a tough enough time just like us
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  Speaker 1: the viewers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's giving me, like Colonel Carter, what she did,
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  Speaker 2: what she won? What?
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  Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, I so I like, I like seeing him
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  Speaker 1: in it. And the other thing that I really stands
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  Speaker 1: out about this episode was that absolute dick of a guy,
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  Speaker 1: not the not the main guy they were dealing with
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  Speaker 1: in the village, but like the secondary guy who just
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  Speaker 1: did not want anything to do with them and just
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  Speaker 1: give them up to the Wraiths and just do whatever,
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  Speaker 1: just save the village. And I don't know whether I
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  Speaker 1: just didn't think his performance was that great or I
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  Speaker 1: just thought he was really playing very well. This guy
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  Speaker 1: was an absolute piece of shit. I don't I don't
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  Speaker 1: know those my sort of two takeaways like love Carson
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  Speaker 1: and and think that that guy's an absolute.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, do you have a Matt Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt,
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  Speaker 2: what do you think? Because as far as I know,
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  Speaker 2: this is the lost episode of Stargate that I've never seen. Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 2: I have zero memory of this episode.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting because I think if it finds itself down
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  Speaker 1: the bottom of the into the season or something, it's
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily because it's it's not a bad episode.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like a it's just enoughing episode. Like it's
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  Speaker 2: it's an interesting topic to explore in terms of, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: all these people, but I just have a hard time
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  Speaker 2: caring about the whole Hoffen thing, so I have a
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  Speaker 2: hard time storing any of the information about it. So
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  Speaker 2: these like there was the hoff and drug, but then
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  Speaker 2: we didn't do anything with that for two seasons, but
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  Speaker 2: then Michael got a hold of it. Now Michael's got
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  Speaker 2: a variation of that that he's injected people with that
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  Speaker 2: if a raise feeds on them, they're going to and
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  Speaker 2: that's what they're dealing with. Like there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: steps and history to deal with, and it's like it's
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not too much like in terms of
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  Speaker 2: like when you think about once you get into like
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  Speaker 2: season five and six of SG one, there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of history onic chef to know about with SKAA and
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  Speaker 2: chart and all these things. But I don't know. I
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  Speaker 2: just I guess because that original hoff episode with Parana
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  Speaker 2: Parana poisoning the world, it's not an episode that really
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  Speaker 2: sticks in my in my brain a lot. So I
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  Speaker 2: think the whole Hoffen drug storyline just kind of is
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  Speaker 2: a nothing storyline for me. Okay, the most I haven't
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  Speaker 2: and it could be from this episode, it could be
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  Speaker 2: from another one. I know. I do remember, yeah, after
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  Speaker 2: Carson comes back, him going off and you know, being
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  Speaker 2: you know, a medicine woman, what's her name, doctor Quinn,
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  Speaker 2: doctor Quinn, medicine woman. But I don't remember anything about
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  Speaker 2: the survivors of this other place that came here and
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  Speaker 2: they were being other than you know, the double cross
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  Speaker 2: of the double cross. That was the part I really
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  Speaker 2: did like about this episode is when the like the
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  Speaker 2: main mayor guy whatever, when he does the double cross
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  Speaker 2: on our team and beg and goes and talks to
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  Speaker 2: the guys in the jail, I was like, oh, this
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  Speaker 2: is so like predictable. But then when you realize a
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  Speaker 2: couple of minutes later was a double cross of a
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  Speaker 2: double cross, I was like, oh, now I didn't see
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  Speaker 2: that coming. This is interesting, But.
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  Speaker 1: Like that guy was a dick. But when he walks
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  Speaker 1: in and you know, tells the Wraith that goes, I
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  Speaker 1: swear to god, they were here, that was supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be here. This is what I get told. And then
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  Speaker 1: you just sort of see from a distance right that
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  Speaker 1: it's like yeah, And I'm like, dude, you just killed
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  Speaker 1: your own people, right, You led them into a trap
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  Speaker 1: and then sucking murdered them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that is the wildest part.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I guess he had to do it because
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  Speaker 1: this guy was like, you know, thinking that he could
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  Speaker 1: buy in and trust the Wraith and all that sort
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  Speaker 1: of stuff, And we know that he shouldn't feel that way.
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  Speaker 1: And even if he was doing it, and I have
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  Speaker 1: nothing but desperation, we can't let him kill our people
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  Speaker 1: or whatnot. But still just for the other guy that
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  Speaker 1: then at the end of this episode he has to
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  Speaker 1: live on for the rest of his life knowing that
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  Speaker 1: he led at least a couple of bad eggs down
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  Speaker 1: into a tunnel or you know, the underground jail and
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  Speaker 1: just like yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And the weird thing, and I guess that is the
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  Speaker 2: interesting like social aspects, like the social commentary that this episode.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was a little bit better, like more
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  Speaker 2: people would be like discuss it more like in the
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  Speaker 2: like we have in the past with solitudes and other
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  Speaker 2: episodes where there's kind of two camps, like almost like
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  Speaker 2: a uh Marvel Civil War situation where you either team
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: Cap or your or your team Tony or in the
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: Cap yeah, obviously there's only one correct answer there. Or
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  Speaker 2: in Star Trek they've brought it back like the Two
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  Speaker 2: Vix the you know, whether whether Janeway killed two Vix
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  Speaker 2: or whether she didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I've always wondered about that.
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  Speaker 2: Right absolutely, they're like, she stro not murdered him. No
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  Speaker 2: she didn't. She she didn't, And anyone who thinks she
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: is infallible.
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  Speaker 1: Allow me to be team Team Tony team two Vix.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, sure, Well you can't be Team two X
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  Speaker 2: because he's dead because murdered him. Yeah, but yeah, So
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  Speaker 2: the interesting thing about this is there were these refugees
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  Speaker 2: that came to this world. The Wraith came and said
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  Speaker 2: we want them now. There was no guarantee the Wraith
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  Speaker 2: were going to kill them. They can't feed on them,
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  Speaker 2: but there were you know, there was the there was
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  Speaker 2: the talk of well, well they want to kill all
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  Speaker 2: these people because they don't want this disease as far
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  Speaker 2: as the Wraith concerned to spread. But they also I
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  Speaker 2: got the vibe they also wanted to like take blood
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  Speaker 2: samples and test them and figure out, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: Wraith to figure out.
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  Speaker 1: A way immunity.
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  Speaker 2: Or something this immunity to the immunity. And everyone except
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  Speaker 2: for that the bad bad actor guy in the cell,
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  Speaker 2: we're all like, no, you can't do that. These people
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  Speaker 2: are innocent, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And
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  Speaker 2: then the bad actor guy in the cell basically said, well, no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm choosing my own people over these new people that
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  Speaker 2: have come here. They you know, did all that got
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: locked in the cell, all that kind of stuff. But
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  Speaker 2: then the mayor guy guaranteed their this. He worked with
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  Speaker 2: our team to guarantee that they would get exploded in
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  Speaker 2: the face with along with the race. So it's this
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  Speaker 2: weird the mayor wasn't okay with giving up these refugees
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  Speaker 2: under the guise of all they may be killed or
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  Speaker 2: they may be tortured or whatever, but he was okay
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  Speaker 2: sacrificing a small group of his own people who were
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  Speaker 2: just who were actually looking out for his best interests.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a really interesting parallel, especially with the world
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  Speaker 2: the way it is at the moment. It's an interesting
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  Speaker 2: parallel that you can you can draw between those in
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  Speaker 2: terms of yeah, just because you know that group of
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  Speaker 2: people over there are your own people, doesn't mean you're
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  Speaker 2: not going to choose these other people over here and
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  Speaker 2: protect them because they need they need help. So but
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  Speaker 2: I do wish this episode was just a little a
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  Speaker 2: little tighter or a little better written or investigated that
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  Speaker 2: aspect more so that we as lazy dumb watchers don't
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  Speaker 2: have to do as much legwork to see the allegorical
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  Speaker 2: nature of it all. I think maybe if we was here,
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  Speaker 2: she would have had a moral, you know, a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a moral back and forward about it.
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  Speaker 1: But better communication with old leader bloke or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: She would just would have she would have had she
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  Speaker 2: been like, is it okay that we're doing this? Like obviously,
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  Speaker 2: the cool part about this episode was the surprise double
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  Speaker 2: double double cross at the end, But I almost want
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  Speaker 2: the tag at the end of the episode to have
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  Speaker 2: been we're being like, did we do the right thing?
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  Speaker 1: Like a sad ending, like yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like back at Atlantis, they're standing on the balcony with
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  Speaker 2: the wind blowing, and her and John and John are
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  Speaker 2: talking and she's like, well, I'm glad you say, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad you save these people, but did you do
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  Speaker 2: the right thing in guaranteeing that group of people's death
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  Speaker 2: over you know, maybe these immune people, you know, being
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  Speaker 2: tortured and killed and just leaving that ambiguous ending to
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: make the viewer think about it at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the episode. I kind of wish there was just something
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  Speaker 2: like that and there. I mean maybe there was, it
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  Speaker 2: was cut for time. I don't know, but you know me,
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  Speaker 2: I love I love a heart twisting moral dilemma kind
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  Speaker 2: of kind of thing, because yeah, I don't think there's
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  Speaker 2: a right or a wrong answer. I think the guys
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  Speaker 2: that ended up in the prison cell weren't wrong, but
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  Speaker 2: it is weird to choose. I mean, at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day, they were choosing their own people over
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  Speaker 2: these strangers, but they were doing that through the Wraith,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that's where you have to go. Do
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  Speaker 2: the ends justify the means, like you're because like they
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  Speaker 2: were saying in the episode, there's no guarantee the Reraith
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  Speaker 2: aren't just going to double betray you and you know,
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  Speaker 2: kill this entire settlement anyway, So it's, you know, the
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: devil you know kind of situation.
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  Speaker 1: We're obviously not going to talk about this episode until
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  Speaker 1: next week, but I've already seen Inquisition, and I wonder
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: what it would be like watching these because I did
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: separate them, but like not knowing what Inquisition was until
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: obviously well after watching them. Is a bit of a
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: one too, or maybe even in reverse because obviously that
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: one and again we'll deal with it more. We don't
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  Speaker 1: need to break it down now, but it deals with
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  Speaker 1: the the consequences of consequences of just either the Atlantis
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  Speaker 1: expedition being there, or interacting with different worlds, you know,
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  Speaker 1: coming into play in between two in wars or you
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  Speaker 1: know whatever. Ending a war also has its downfall. You know,
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  Speaker 1: because of the domino effect or something. So yeah, to
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  Speaker 1: deal with you know, what we learn next week, but
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: to look at it through here and maybe that's where
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: a we are conversation or that, or even if we're
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: handing it over to Woolsey or something. If we were
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: to flip next week and this week's the way that
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: they run and we have this week play second that
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: it's like, hang on, well, the consequence of us like
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  Speaker 1: where this this you know, the drug and us trying
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  Speaker 1: to fix the drive, all this other sort of stuff
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  Speaker 1: and when what what becomes of it? Us being here
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  Speaker 1: and this sort of that was played into Michael, but
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  Speaker 1: it plays into what we're doing and all this and
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  Speaker 1: in the end there were these innocent people caught in
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  Speaker 1: the crossfire as refugees, but it also came into this
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  Speaker 1: other little village who were just there existing on their
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  Speaker 1: own and being nice to each other, and it ended
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: up being that they kind of turn on each other.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Like it's just there's so much other stuff going on
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: out there other than just like the big things that
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: we see of, you know, like a hive ship being
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: destroyed by the Dadalus or something. You know, it's like
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: that all seems good, but it's the I think this
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: episode as unmemorable as it might be there, it's almost
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: like showing, you know, the seventh eighth, twenty seventh Domino
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: in the sequence, What are those consequences of these actions
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: that we're making. I don't know. I kind of like that,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: but I probably liked this episode a little bit more
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: having seen Inquisition next week.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, I found myself why I wrote down, I
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: was incredibly bored until we find out about the council
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: guy's double cross. That was the moment. And obviously that
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: was minute thirty eight or whatever or yeah, forty two
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: minutes or whatever. But yeah, it's an interesting sort of
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: sort of mind puzzle because you go, okay, well, at
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: what point is it a step too far for you?
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Like the line must be drawn here this far, no further.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, So if we break it down to
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: a really like microscopic level and think about okay, say
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: it's your family, like your four kids, you and your wife,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: and it's like, okay, well, your eldest son starts hanging
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: out with a guy like and who's hanging out at
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: your house a lot, and that that that friend of
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: his is basically a substitute for these these refugees have
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: come in and it's like, by this kid hanging out
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: at your house, suddenly there's drugs in your house, and
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: then they're going causing you a lot of hassle and
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: a lot of you know, danger and stuff like and
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: danger to your other kids. Will you, as parents are go, well,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: this kid's got to go. This kid, this kid can't
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: be here anymore. But then imagine if like your second
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: eldest goes, well, I'm going to take care of this,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: and then that you end up letting your second child
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: be killed to protect this.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: It's such a weird sort of thing. So yeah, it's
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: interesting to sort of how how can you change It's
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: like the allegorical nature of it to a point where
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: you agree with one side and then you change the
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: you know, the the parts of it, and then you
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: end up on the other person's side going you know,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: because yea, if it was your fing to be like, no,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: that kid's got to go.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that kid's got to go. Yeah, that's clean cut
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: and easy.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I sort of have these conversations with my
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: kids too. It's a little bit different than that. But
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: even just the idea of like I don't it's about
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: you know, what's done and what's said, not who's doing it.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: You know, like I say, the kids, you know, just
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: as a blanket rule, you know, always look after your mom,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: like as a collective, the one person you should care
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: about more than anybody else in the world is your mum.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Look after her. And that almost goes out. It's like
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: even against me, Like you know, if I'm being an asshole,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: you don't go, Well, that's both of our parents and
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: we love them equally. We've just got to let them
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: work it out themselves. You know. It's like no, no, no.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: If I'm being bad, if I'm being rude to mum,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: you can don't accept that. Or you know, mate in
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: saying that you're our oldest kid and if you're the
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: one being a dick, I can't go. Well, you're wanted
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: my children and it's between you. Tom Now I'm going
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: to step in and stop you from being a bad
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: person to somebody else because I just want to stop
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: the rudeness. I want to stop some disrespect or so,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: you know, stop a violent act that someone might do.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: It's not who's doing it that shouldn't deter it or
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: that shouldn't encourage me stepping in. It's about what's being done,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: and that's that's the right action, and I guess that's
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: what this is. But that's the dilemma. It's like, well,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: the right thing to do was that guy to go,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I don't care you one of my people. Us is
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: a collective hecause that's not who we are. Who we
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: are is not to give these people up. We took
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: them in, we want to care for them. We're not
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: handing them off to the galactical enemy. You know. He's like, yeah,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: but we're gonna look after our own people. Again, He's right,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: it's just the way that he goes about it. So like, yeah,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: it is a complicated episode that way, but it presents
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: this great argument, but maybe just doesn't it teases with
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: that argument, just doesn't dive into it.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, because like yeah, using like the your
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: kids allegory, it's like, yeah, that kid that you've taken
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: in that you know, a friend of friend of your
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: oldest and yeah, there's not great things happening, but then
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: suddenly one of your younger kids is an absolute dick
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: to him or really really rude to him. You're still
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: going to pull your kid up and be like, that's
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: not how you do it. Yeah, that's you know, And
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I think that's what the allegorical nature of this was is, is, Yeah,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: the guys that ended up getting blown up, their heart
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: was in the right place. They wanted to protect their
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: people and protect themselves, but they went about it the
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: wrong way. It was their actions was the issue. But yeah,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: then you get to then you, well, did they deserve
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: to get blown up? I don't know that.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: It was certainly a big step. Yeah, angush with weapons
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: or something. It's like, well, you're in the jail getting
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: the cells. Now, you know, if the raith happened to
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: feed on you, that's one thing. But it's like, you know,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: we can separate you two guys.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but the fact that John is the
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: one who flicked the switch, it's like, yeah, if they
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: if the Wraith had gotten so angry with the jail
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: guys that they fed on them, well, that's that's their
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: own actions that cause that.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's led to it.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: But yeah, surely there could have at least been a
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: conversation about finding a way to at least save the
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: jar guys lives, Like surely they could have just said, oh,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: it's in this cave, go that way, and then they
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: could have stayed out of the cave, you know what.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, yeah, it's a shame. It's a shame.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: But as you said, it wasn't a great actor.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know, I'm almost cordating was he was.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: He's just a dick. I don't know.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it might have been I don't know,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the writing or the directing or something about it. Because
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: the the girl in there, Novo, she's actually a really
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: good actress. She actually goes on to become one of
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: the regular characters in Sanctuary. Kate Freelander unrecognizable in this episode.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, it has been a minute since I've seen
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: an episode of Sanctuary, which is what I mean a
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: tapping is doing as this episode's airing. I would never
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: have picked in a million years if I hadn't read it,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: that that was Kate Freelander, because Kate Freelander is such
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: a like, badass, nonsense kind of character, whereas Novo is
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: just this little demure, little high voice sort of sort
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: of person. Yeah, And I was just like, wow, I
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: wonder if that's like her growth as an actress or
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: whether she's just that good and that she can play
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: this and then theoretically, I would say the following year
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: maybe be playing this bad us character of Kate Freelander. Yeah.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: It was quite interesting.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just loved I mean, she's obviously there around
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Beckit and I kind of like the idea that yeah,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: like we've brought him back, but to keep him separate,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: but without having to like, you know, DeFreeze him every
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: time or bring him back to low or something, that
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: he's just out there being Yeah, like a flyaway Dr
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Quinn Medicine. It's like he's just out there trying to
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: help around without because he's like that's my calling now,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Like I can't be in Atlantis because I'm not the
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Carson Beckett. Yeah, I can still do good like Carson
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Beckett would have done.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I wish there had been a line somewhere
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: in one of these episodes where they blatantly state whether
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: or not his family knows, like is that the reason
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: he didn't he didn't or Slash can't go back to
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Earth is because the real Caston Beckett is dead and
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: he doesn't want to make like the SGC doesn't want
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: to deal with the fact that you know, they incorrectly
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: quote unquote reported that he was dead, or does this
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Beckett not want to sully the name of that Beckett?
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: And you know, I'm going to let is this Beckett?
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Understanding the difference between them two and realizing that technically
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: his family is not his family. So he's going no, No,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: the Caston Beckett they knew is dead, or let that family. No,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: let that family because they've been grieving for two years.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I don't want to bring all this back up again.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it would have been more complicated
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: if they were like, oh, it was the clone that
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: was killed and this is the real Beckett. Would be
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: a much more complicated.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: So yeah, would he still do the same thing in
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: a way, because if his mother found out that he
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: died two years ago and, like you said, has been
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: grieving and then it's like, oh, hang on, they told
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: you what that was someone else? That was a Carson Breckett.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bars and keck it se and as assignment.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I'm held cloth and I'm actually alive. But he's unless
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: he's going to move back to Earth and just like
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: work at the local subway, which hey, look, I'm sure
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: that's fraught with danger. It's a little bit safer than
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: working in a different galaxy under the thread of even
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: ray through a replicator attack or something like that. That
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: he's opening her or opening his whole family up to
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: finding out that he's been killed a second time. And
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: so that would actually be far more interesting if it's like, oh,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: now it turns out the clone died. This is your family.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: So if you felt any doubt about going back, you
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: shouldn't him like, no, I've got to be the bigger
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: person and actually sacrifice that and stay away.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: And also, obviously he's not getting a job at Subway.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: He's going to get a shop at a job at
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: May the shoes, Oh.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: For sure, he's going to be athlete's foot.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: He's going to be Ed O'Neil in Mary with children.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: But he's gonna love his job. He's gonna love working
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: in a women's I was going to say it's not
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: feet that he's interested, it's a boots. If they come
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: with a foot, that's all right. But yeah, that's just
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: that's in a way. Yeah, he's got to get he's
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: got to get that. He's got to get the shoe
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: out of the foot out of the shoe, so you
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: can enjoy the shoe. You see when he's lunch break,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: he just goes into the back room and just sits
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: there and just sniffing, sniffing all the shoes, licking the heels,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Even just like I'm always you know, when we play
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: with movies and TV that deal with that sort of thing,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: just the just the mental switch off, the sacrifice. And
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I probably brought it up because it's one I always
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: think about it. And it's not the only one I've
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: ever seen. It's probably not the best thing I've ever seen,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: but that Michael Keaton movie Multiplicity, which I really do love.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: But there were three clones of him. Obviously you had
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: the one that was a clone of a clone and
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: you know, wasn't quite the same as the other two.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: But you had the real guy, and then two carbon copies,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Carson copies, as it might be. And and in the
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: end they have to decide, yeah, that's not our family,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: that's not our wife. We'll just move away and go
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: and start up at pizza shop, you know, somewhere on
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: the other side of the country. And it's like, yeah,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: that's cool for an audience, because we know, but like
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: to you, you are you are the you are the
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: person as far as you're concerned, really, and now you
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: as a married father, you have you're giving up your wife,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: you're giving up your two kids. And it's okay because
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: narratively that makes sense. But it's such a it's such
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: a mind for me, that sort of thing, because like
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I've said to you before, and like, I've got four kids.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: You know, some days are an absolute fucking nightmare. I
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: would rather have a nightmare every single day than knowingly
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: have a day where I don't have them in my life.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I say, you live, you thrive off the chaos.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I love with. Yeah, we thrive off chaos. But even
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: one chaos you know, get home and got you know,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: twenty one miles to feet across a bunch of different pets.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like, what's that what's that line from
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: those horrible Batman movies was like I was born in
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: the darkness and you're.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Horrible hang on horrible Batman movies.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that Nolan was Robin.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: No, that's just think.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're like.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Like certainly the lesser of the three.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: You're like, I was bold and the chaos just going
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: back to your multiplicity very quickly, and just because it
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: brings it back to the start of this episode, like
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: of the pod. If you want a great sort of
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: moral quandry like that, is it greater for the star
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: trek called two Vix.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I was about to ask, are you about to bring
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: up stuff?
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Oh look, I don't care if I can do that
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: too for this, but well you're gonna just so you
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: know the context of it. Two characters get beamed up
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: and fully get merged together into this one whole new being.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: So two Vark and Neelix get beamed up and they
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: get merged into this whole new being played by a
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: completely different third actor.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Now with they male and female or two two.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Males females, And then they become this new character called
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: two Vix, and he's both things. He's part Vulcan, he's
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: part of the cook and all that kind of stuff,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: and he basically becomes this whole new person. But Neelix
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: has a girlfriend on the ship. Tuvok has a wife
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: and children back home. So Jane Way's you know, moral dilemma.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: She's like, well, if I let this thing live, this
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: two Vix thing live, joined as it is both of
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: those families have lost the person. So the molder Lemmer is,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: it takes them a while, but they figure out that
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: they can separate them again. Right, But then the molderlimmeris,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: does Janeway do it or not?
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: And that's why he doesn't and just straight up murders
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: there are as.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's what that she does separate them back
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: to their original states, and that's why people are saying
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: she murdered two vix But it's like he never really existed.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Right, Okay, yeah, with that context.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because she she separated these two being like if.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: You and I got merged, right, and oh what a specimen?
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine the boxes? We would take the back
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: hair alone.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Ah, hello ladies, Hello.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Robert Williams would have nothing on us. Um, but yeah,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: if we were suddenly well, we can't really combine our
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: names because they're both we're both M's Mathel Mathel Mitchew
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: or like Mitchew mi.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: So it sounds like a Pokemon, yeah Mitschew.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Well, well that's you know, you evolve your Pokemon evolved
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: child Charmander, Charmelian charazats So bless you Mitch and Matthew
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: for so Yeah, so suddenly if we merged into this
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: whole new third being that was kind of both of
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: us joined, but that person joined because I've got no
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: interest in marrying your wife, so that part of that
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: part of us doesn't want to be involved with your family.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Suddenly your wife and kids don't have a father because
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: this third thing wants to go off and do something. Yeah,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: your family have lost this being who didn't technically die.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so Jamie is like, well, let's separate this being,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: put these back to wag the way they were, and
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: then suddenly, you know, your family gets their dad back
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: and her husband back and all that kind of stuff.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, by default, I've got to do this. Yeah,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: but it's a bloody great reference you bring up.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Brandon, just yeah, it's like, what are you like,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: that's gotta be three?
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it is that because like, yeah, that like
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: multiples or anything. It's like for that first week go
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: off and you're just hanging out with You're going out,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: you're having a holiday, solo holiday. In the case of multiplicity,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: it's a couple of boys just going away for a
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: little beach side trip. But then after that you're like kids, Man,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I love my kids. I love kids. I'm not you know,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I love that well. I love Andy McDowell for God's sake,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: and who wouldn't. Obviously she's beautiful.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: And then obviously roddy you know what? Come on? What's
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: her name? Who?
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: You know? Her daughter?
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Her real life daughter? Who was in that movie with
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Demi Moore?
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Oh the substitute Margaret Qualley?
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: That's the one.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I picked up that that was who? That wasn't
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: too long ago.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't seen the substance yet.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: You'll enjoy it.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Brace yourself. Yeah, enough special things.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: If you think you're a pig over Laren, oh bait,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: wait till you meet Margaret Qualley in that movie. Oh
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: my lord.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, I was not prepared well.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I had to google her age to make sure she
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: was over eighteen.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Please be eighteen.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I was like, please, at least be twenty something, please,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: because even nineteen makes me feel seedy now that I'm
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: in my forties.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Do that once like something about Sydney Sween and you're like, yeah,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: but in Euphouria she was less than eighteen. I'm not
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: talking about that now, mate, I'm talking about a picture
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: from anyone but you or something it's fine.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: But even in even in euphoria, she looks like she's fourteen.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I don't care if she's twenty five, she looks like
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: she's fourteen, just like it's.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: A very important stipulation. Mate.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, see, I'm used to it. I'm used
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: to it the other way where it was like it
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: was Christma Carpenter and Buffy. She was playing seventeen as
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: a thirty year old.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Well done, and I was like, wow, I mean, if
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: you can do it, or what if we could? Absolutely
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: most of us can't.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Know unfortunately not.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Oh I just googled it.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Oh that makes me feel even better. Margaret Qualley is
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: now thirty one.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Who even her late twenties it was fine, but now
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: like her thirties.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, she's literally ten years younger than me. That's fine,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: that's weiry, because what do they say, it's half your
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: age ed seven or something like that. Yeah, that's as
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: young as you can go.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so where does that? Yeah? Where does that
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: put you?
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I can go twenty seven? Yeap, that still feels young.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Though, Yeah for what then I'm thirty nine? Yeah, so
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: it's not much difference. Yeah, twenty five, you go twenty five.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, damn, it has a really hot twenty four
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: year old had my eyes.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Bugger, everybody at your work that's just been listening to
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: this is gone is growing around going Yeah.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Me more Sarah's list. Thank god, Yeah, good luck buddy,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: you and your back hair.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I do have to say, though, I know he couldn't
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: have worked in this episode, but I did miss Todd
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: because whoever that race commander was the one that got off.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah very mid yeah, very mid, very forgettable. I mean
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: I forgot about the whole. But yeah, when when Beakitt
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: you know, stormed in there and started, you know, having
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: an argument with him, I was like, huh, yeah, this
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: kind end well. And then when he fed on him
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: and then died, I was like, but when did Beckitt
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: have a chance to inject himself with that stuff? And
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: then they reveal that well, he's actually had this immunity
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: since he was originally cloned, And I was like, oh,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: that's kind of interesting.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: For stepping up, I know what to do and just
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: walks in and it's like I want to piss this
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: guy off. I want this to happen.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: But but yeah, the actor himself I think was a
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: bit mid yea and I was just like, oh, I can't.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I can't let the costume do all the work, mate,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: You're still got to put a little bit of a
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: bit of gravitas behind the voice, you know.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: I like too with that with Beckett at the end
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: and Rodney and he coming, hey, let's go and get
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: some much we're gonna drink together, and Beckon's yeah, I don't.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I think I got some work to do, and then
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Rodney walks off like really sad, and actually, you know what, Rodney,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I do want to go get some lunch. And you're like,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: do you though, or you just yeah, you're not an
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: asshole like him, And you know, for once, an arsehole
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: was getting treated like an asshole and you're like, no, no,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: I can't do that, you know, treat others untoward you
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: want to be treated. It's like yeah.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Whatever, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. The last thing you
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: need to do with McKay is like reward bad behavior.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, oh Mitchell, what, oh Mitchell, what if you
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: found Mitchell Holly, Holly, this is why we don't.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Go Oh no, no what.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Margaret Quali, Yeah, thirty one year old Margaret Quali.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's fine.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Is married. Yeah two. American singer, songwriter and record producer
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Jack Antonoff, age forty one, he's he's actually he's six
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: months older than I am.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Well well, well, well well.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure it has nothing to do with his
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: personality and or his talent or anything like that. It's
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: purely got to do with his age. So it shows
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: that I would have a chance, you.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Would have a chance. And he's only, like I'm going
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: to say, slightly more accomplished than you.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: You know, but he's but I mean, you know, I
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: mean she's not Oh yeah, she's not gone for like
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: a male model or anything like that.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she hasn't. It's not like forty one year old
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: rockstar like.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's no. He's no Kirk Obaine. He's
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: more Ray Romano, I would say.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: But like a nerdy Ray Romano.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Ray Romano meets your accountant.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: And I was gonna say, who's the guy from Mom
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: from Shit's Creek, The Son and the Son?
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah it's Dan all right, Dan Levy, Dan.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Levy, Yeah, yeah, Dan Levy by way of John Oliver,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: John Oliver, a little bit of Ray Romano.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if we're not painting a magical picture?
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Is that just our way around saying he looks very Jewish?
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Is that?
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Is that what we've done?
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Is that? Certainly not what I don't even okay, all right,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. Okay, so certainly
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: not the twenty twenty five climate mate. Would I ever
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: play with anything? Right like that? Yeah?
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but congratulations, sir. Okay, he looks less, he looks
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: less nerdy. There, he's got a bit of stubble.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: It's it's like eccentric nerdy. Yeah it's it's it's nerdy.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: But I've got secrets.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and a little bit of Sam Smith in there,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: I think too. Oh yeah, Okay, congratulations.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I mean hopefully not too much Sam Smith. Otherwise he's
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: not going to be interested in her.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Well, Sam, Sam's a Sam's Are they them? Sam? Samah?
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Sam enjoys everything.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I thought Sam's. Are they then? But exclusively only attracted? Yeah?
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: There you go, but maybe not?
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe?
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Who am I to assume? Hey, you know what I'm
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: not going to do. I can google it because I'm
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: afraid of what I'm going to find it.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, who says they're not in some
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: kind of thrupple or some kind of open open marriage.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: You never know, we can.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: In general, I mean, who says that they're not I'm like,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: well me, these.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: People are in Hollywood, though. Anything goes there.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: You just find your excitement, you know, you know, you're
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: sort of set in your own levels. Yeah, that's episode
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: three hundred and two three two two two, only only
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: three more episodes, and mister three or two to the
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Pittball episode.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: You can see where you went five?
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this doesn't fly.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: What is what would be three hundred and five remnants? Okay,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: we might have to come up with something. Maybe I'll
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: have to make something for that episode. Because I'm just
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: reading the word remnants.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: I have no idea what happens now here. I'm reading
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: the synopsis trying to remind myself what it's about. I'm like,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I've never seen the thing, idiot.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I I vaguely I know stuff about next
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: week's episode Inquisition Prodigal, that rings a bell, I know
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: what that's remnants, no idea, brainstorm, I definitely know about infection, identity,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: no idea, Vegas. I wish I had no idea. And
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: then there's the finale.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: So it's Vegas, the Varla's Dad equivalent of season five
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: of Atlantis. Maybe I think it could be worse.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: To be fair, I've only ever seen it once. It
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: is the is I maybe impossibly. Outsiders might be the
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: only episodes of starget I've actually never gone back and
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: watched after the first.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Guess what, mate, so you got no choice. We'll be
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: back for three three, so you keep threatening. Three three
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Inquisition of the non Spanish type will be back. Talk
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: about Stargate Atlanta's.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I said, we did that.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Get into Geek, get into Gate, get into Gate, Stargate podcast.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Get into it now before it's too late.