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Farewell Kathleen Kennedy Star Wars Low Red Moon Review CCLXXIII · Star Wars Alliance

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  Speaker 1: The Force will be with you always.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome back to another episode of Star Wars Alliance.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, I'm your host, Clay and with me like
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  Speaker 2: always is Katie, Katie, how you doing today?
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  Speaker 3: Hello? I have chocolate, so I am happy.
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  Speaker 2: Well. I am so glad that I did that correctly,
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  Speaker 2: because literally five hours ago, I recorded Ranger Alliance and
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  Speaker 2: I said, welcome back to another episode of Star Like.
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  Speaker 2: What did I say? I said? I said? I hesitated,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, man, I almost said Ranger Alliance, welcome
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  Speaker 2: to Star Wars a line and then he's like, wait what?
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  Speaker 2: I was like, wait what? Oh no, hold on, rewind,
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  Speaker 2: let's fix it. Welcome to Radio Alliance. So I'm glad
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  Speaker 2: I actually got that down here on this episode. Guys,
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  Speaker 2: we excuse me, I'm gonna edit that one out. Guys,
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  Speaker 2: we are recording this early. You were not seeing us
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  Speaker 2: live because of some scheduling conflicts with Wednesday. We are
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  Speaker 2: going to place this on the podcast feeds on Thursday,
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  Speaker 2: and then Katie and I will also be needing to
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  Speaker 2: get together for some other future off live recordings that
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  Speaker 2: we have planned for the remaining week. Guys, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how or why we did this, but we were like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: do you want to read four books in five weeks?
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  Speaker 3: Five books in four.
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  Speaker 2: Five books in four weeks, And I was like, I
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  Speaker 2: can do that.
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  Speaker 4: I finished one, so I'm immediately starting the next one
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  Speaker 4: kind of right after this, which is pretty scary because
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  Speaker 4: I need to go to bed in about two and
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  Speaker 4: a half hours.
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  Speaker 3: But it's okay because now we're not recording the next
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  Speaker 3: one until next Sunday, but then we have the next
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  Speaker 3: one three days later.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly exactly. And what I have done is I have
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  Speaker 2: made every contingency plan. I've ordered what I can with
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  Speaker 2: physical copies. I've ordered what I could in digital copies
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  Speaker 2: as well as I have pulled these books out on Libby,
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  Speaker 2: so literally, in any situation that I'm in, if there's
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  Speaker 2: any downtime, I can pull it up and read it.
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  Speaker 2: So yep, I'm just gonna have my nose in a
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  Speaker 2: book for literally the next five weeks, which is absolutely insane.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know I was gonna go this hard at
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  Speaker 2: the very beginning of the year, but you.
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  Speaker 3: Said it was okay on the schedule.
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  Speaker 2: No, and it is. It's totally okay. It's totally okay.
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  Speaker 2: Like but the one thing for me is I am
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  Speaker 2: now like officially adulting. And when I say officially adulting,
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  Speaker 2: my entire life I've been like bedtime. What is that
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't exist? I go to sleep when my eyes close.
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  Speaker 2: Now that I have a job that requires me to
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  Speaker 2: be at said job at five o'clock, I have to
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  Speaker 2: wake up at like three or three thirty yep. In
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  Speaker 2: order for me to wake up in time, take a shower,
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  Speaker 2: get dressed, and actually be at my job at five
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  Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning. Because of that, I have to
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  Speaker 2: be in bed by nine thirty or nine forty five.
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  Speaker 2: And then I'm like okay. So even on Sundays, because
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  Speaker 2: I work six days a week, and I'm like okay,
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  Speaker 2: on Sundays, I get to kind of splurge and I
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  Speaker 2: get to stay up until like eleven. That's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: so fun. I'm gonna watch my shows. I'm gonna play
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  Speaker 2: some games. Guys. Last night I told Abby, Hey, I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna put Amberlin to bed. But before I do, why
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  Speaker 2: she's gonna wind down with watching a show or playing
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  Speaker 2: her with her toys. I'm just gonna lay down. That
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  Speaker 2: was a bad idea out I like, I even had
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  Speaker 2: like like my phone like a video going, so that
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  Speaker 2: way I could at least like try to stay awake.
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  Speaker 2: And I kept on just drifting and drifting and drifting,
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  Speaker 2: and then Abby was just like, I will put her
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  Speaker 2: to bed. I was like, oh, oh wait, I'm okay, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you go ahead and put her to bed. Good night.
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  Speaker 2: And I was out like, yeah, I'm officially adulting. So
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  Speaker 2: because of that, my reading schedule is strictly if I
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  Speaker 2: happen to get to work fifteen minutes early, I splurge
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  Speaker 2: at that moment. Then I get home, I take anywhere
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  Speaker 2: from a thirty minute to an hour nap. I wake
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  Speaker 2: up when I wake up, Amberlyn is already taking her nap,
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  Speaker 2: So then I say, okay, I only have an hour
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  Speaker 2: and a half to two hours until Amberln wakes up.
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  Speaker 2: That's my time to read, and then literally the thirty
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  Speaker 2: minutes before I actually drift off to sleep. So they have,
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  Speaker 2: in a combined amount of time per day anywhere between
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  Speaker 2: three to four hours to read. Yeah, and it's it's
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  Speaker 2: it's a little harder than I thought, but.
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  Speaker 3: You're doing great.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing great, and I'm still enjoying everything in there.
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  Speaker 2: And of course I want to thank uh Random House Worlds,
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  Speaker 2: and of course, uh this is uh yeah, random House Worlds. Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, is this it's the same.
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  Speaker 3: Thing Star Wars Outlaws?
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  Speaker 2: I want I want to thank Random House Worlds for
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  Speaker 2: giving us not only the physical copy, not only the
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  Speaker 2: digital copy, but also the audio version of this book.
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  Speaker 2: It was superb. I'm just gonna go ahead and throw
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  Speaker 2: that out there before we even talk about news. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just gonna say this book was superb. This book is
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  Speaker 2: actually going to make me play the game. We boycotted
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  Speaker 2: the game because the price. I'm still not gonna pay
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  Speaker 2: seventy dollars for the game. I'm gonna wait until it
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  Speaker 2: goes back and say, oh, but I am more inclined
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  Speaker 2: to play the game because of this book.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Honestly, guys, again, before we get into the review,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say it, this hit my top five.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I was.
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  Speaker 3: That happy with this book.
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  Speaker 2: I'll have you know what we need, Katie, you know
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  Speaker 2: what we need. We haven't done one, Like we officially
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  Speaker 2: have not done one. Yeah, we need a Star Wars
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  Speaker 2: book ranking, Yes we do. I think, Oh, there we go.
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  Speaker 2: I was I was in charge of content for the
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  Speaker 2: end of spring into summer. Boom, I got another one
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  Speaker 2: for us. Yeah, book ranking.
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  Speaker 3: Because we've done we've done the categories one, but we've
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  Speaker 3: never actually gone and said, okay.
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  Speaker 2: This is your title. Yeah, Like and oh man, I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna have to think about like what is allowed in
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  Speaker 2: the rankings and what isn't allowed. There's so much stuff
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  Speaker 2: in there. Who Okay, I may I may keep it
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  Speaker 2: strictly to the five years that have been on the podcast,
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  Speaker 2: like what we have, what we have reviewed.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the good thing is you have a list of
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  Speaker 3: what we've reviewed and it's mostly up to date.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so I think, yeah, I think that's what
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna do. So guys, there you go. Exclusive We're
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  Speaker 2: going to do a uh Star Wars book ranking sometime
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  Speaker 2: in the lake spring early summer.
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  Speaker 3: Cool all right, all right, but now from the fun
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  Speaker 3: stuff to the not so fun things.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Kathleen Kennedy, it's officially gone from Lucasfilm. Last Friday was
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  Speaker 3: her last day.
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  Speaker 2: Like that. I've seen so many memes from people who
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  Speaker 2: like were at one point they felt like at war
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  Speaker 2: with Kennedy and now saying like, man, what have we done?
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 2: Like the decisions that have been made. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if we like are in the right spot and stuff
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  Speaker 2: like we we've talked about that in Agnausium, you know
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  Speaker 2: last week about filoney, this is about Kennedy. Yes, we
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  Speaker 2: will miss Kennedy. We've had the discussion back when it
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: was of course the whole thing with Hunt for beIN Solo,
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  Speaker 2: we we learned, Hey, a lot of our targeted aggression
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  Speaker 2: was targeted at the wrong person. And Kennedy, with the
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  Speaker 2: position that she was in, she made probably some of
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  Speaker 2: the best decisions of her career and probably some of
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  Speaker 2: the biggest mistakes of her career. But she is a
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  Speaker 2: top dog when it comes to her profession.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what you can't ever deny that as effect
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  Speaker 3: is that there are some Indiana Jones movies that we
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  Speaker 3: would not have without Kathleen Kennedy. There's some Star Wars films,
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  Speaker 3: there's Jurassic Park stuff that we would have never had
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  Speaker 3: if Kennedy hadn't worked on it. And does she have
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  Speaker 3: some regrets, yes, But ultimately her career is such a
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  Speaker 3: joy to have watched, and I know that she wants
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  Speaker 3: to continue producing movies and she wants to get more
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  Speaker 3: into the in d scene is what she was talking about.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm excited to see what she goes back to
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  Speaker 3: because I know maybe the business side of things is
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  Speaker 3: not something she really wanted to tackle, even though she's
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  Speaker 3: been doing a lot of the business stuff with George
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  Speaker 3: Lucas over the years. So I am sad to see
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  Speaker 3: her go. And I think a lot of people will,
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  Speaker 3: like we always say we said it with the aclate
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  Speaker 3: Acolade is going to be appreciated in twenty years for
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  Speaker 3: what it was, and people are gonna be like, why
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  Speaker 3: couldn't you be like the acolte In five years people
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  Speaker 3: are going to be like, why couldn't you be like
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  Speaker 3: Kathleen Kennedy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Calling that like weird at most.
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  Speaker 2: I can see I can see us because here's here's
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  Speaker 2: the thing. This happened with Disney. We got who, we
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: got Bad Bob way back when, and everybody thought, oh,
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  Speaker 2: he's the businessman, he's gonna make things great. There was
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  Speaker 2: some decisions that people were kind of hesitant on when
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  Speaker 2: it came to the theme parks, and then he was
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  Speaker 2: making some okay decisions when it came to Disney's movies
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  Speaker 2: and stuff like that, But then he started to make
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  Speaker 2: bad decisions and he's like, Okay, you're bad Bob. We
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  Speaker 2: want good Bob back. And of course now good Bob
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  Speaker 2: is kind of mediocre Bob and all this other stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I can see us by twenty thirty with Filoney and
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  Speaker 2: what was her name? Oh wait, hold on, Brennan, Brennan,
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  Speaker 2: with Brennan. I'm sure we will say, guys, why couldn't
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  Speaker 2: you just make decisions like Kathleen Kennedy did? Why can't
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  Speaker 2: you just do it? And to what you were saying
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  Speaker 2: with her indie scene, I actually look forward to that,
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  Speaker 2: and I think more so because she's not going to
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  Speaker 2: be like staring down the barrel of a gun with
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  Speaker 2: the choices that she makes in the indie scene. She's
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  Speaker 2: not gonna have this huge overbearing weight of the legacy
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  Speaker 2: of Star Wars when she makes these indie films, right,
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  Speaker 2: it's just gonna be like, Okay, this is a small project,
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  Speaker 2: let's have fun with it, let's just do it right.
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  Speaker 2: And so I'm I'm excited to see where she goes
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  Speaker 2: from here, whether that be hey, I'm gonna you know,
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  Speaker 2: relax for and then get into stuff, or if she's
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: wanted to just kind of jump right into it. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: with this news of her departing from Lucasfilm, she did
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  Speaker 2: give some updates and she did an interview. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: there's been a lot of hubbub on what is true
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  Speaker 2: and what is not true and everything else. Names were
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  Speaker 2: thrown out there, a lot of people upset of like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: why didn't they accept her offer, and like all this stuff, guys,
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  Speaker 2: business is business, for sure. But the first thing that
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  Speaker 2: we had heard is Mangold's film is currently on hold
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  Speaker 2: but has an incredible script. Glover has turned in a
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  Speaker 2: script for Lando movie. Kim Berg is actively working on
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  Speaker 2: a trilogy of films that Dave and Linnwyn are very
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  Speaker 2: on board for Taiko turning a script for a film
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  Speaker 2: she calls hilarious and great. And then the one that
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  Speaker 2: had all of us eyeball emojis. Kathy Kennedy confirms the
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  Speaker 2: Hunt for Ben solo script is also on the back burner. Yep,
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  Speaker 2: not dead, not canceled, on the back burner, but I think.
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  Speaker 3: That, and let's be real, guys, that is what Hollywood is.
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  Speaker 3: It's always okay. I could see us making the script
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  Speaker 3: at some point, but I'll have the right creator for it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it nothing's ever canceled. It's just okay, we'll wait and
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  Speaker 3: see kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 3: Back Burner is just hey, like it's not happening at
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  Speaker 3: this moment, So.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I find the man goold things super interesting. And you,
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  Speaker 3: me and Travis were talking about it, like if it
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: dives into like the duology of the force, like the
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  Speaker 3: force duos. I can't think of a diad That's what
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: it is, a diad in the forest. But it dives
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  Speaker 3: into that, and we've already explored that with Men Mandalorian
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  Speaker 3: a little bit and then the sequel trilogy. How is
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: that really breaking the mold? But if it dives into
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: that mythology, I could really see them going, hey, Starfighter
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  Speaker 3: is safe, Mandalorian and Grogu is safe. If we're bringing
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: in someone brand spanking new to take over things, they
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: would have a vision like James Gunn did. James Gunn said, nope,
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: I'm not touching the Snyder stuff. We're gonna toss everything. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't want to deal with that, and I don't
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  Speaker 3: blame him. And felony being felony might have gone No,
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't that that doesn't vibe with my Mando verse.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna touch it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like all honestly, And it's something that we
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: have been frustrated with with the idea of like what
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  Speaker 2: would it truly mean if he is in the you know,
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  Speaker 2: puppeteer creative chair of things, right, So I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how I feel about necessarily letting it
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  Speaker 2: be known. Like I almost feel like it would have
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  Speaker 2: just been okay if you didn't say any thing about
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  Speaker 2: the Mangold movie. Yeah, but that also to be said
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: about that whole thing is I'm pretty sure I shared
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: it in the chat as well. Somebody randomly tweeted I
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  Speaker 2: just realized the Deadline interview with Kennedy never mentioned the
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Rain movie. So that's not a great sign. What do
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  Speaker 2: you no?
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  Speaker 3: But Daisy Ridley just posted on her story that she
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: was headed back into a durance training and really has
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: only really done that with Star Wars so far. So
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: I feel like and we had talked, we kind of
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: talked about it last week, where okay, did they tool
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  Speaker 3: the Rain movie to where it could tie into the
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Hunt for Ben Solo? Because I do think Daisy and
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Adam Driver had a really fun time working together. So
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: I could see them going, hey, we want to tie
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: these together. So I could see that they wanted that done.
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  Speaker 3: And this is an exit interview. There's no telling. Kennedy
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  Speaker 3: could have said something and full LUCASLM could have been like, actually, no,
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  Speaker 3: I want you to cut that line.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah, and also like there has also been rumors
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  Speaker 2: that the Ray movie might actually also be a part
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  Speaker 2: of the trilogy of films that is currently being worked on,
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  Speaker 2: Like there is still some reports on like if they're
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: reworking that Ray movie into an actual trilogy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's a lot that could be happening here.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: There's a lot that could not be happening here. I
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  Speaker 3: enjoyed what she said. Even though Ryan Johnson has come
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  Speaker 3: back and said no, I'm not scared to come back
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  Speaker 3: and do Star Wars, I love that. I loved that
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  Speaker 3: by the way Kennedy talked about him, because Deadline asked
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  Speaker 3: the question, Hey, you've talked about all these other creators,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: what about Ryan Johnson? And she was like, I think
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Johnson might have gotten a little bit scared, and I
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: have to do that with some people. It's like, hey,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: do you want to come make a Star Wars movie,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: I'd love to have you, and they're like, I've seen
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: how those crazy fans react, like I don't want to
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: do this, no, thank you, And somebody in the guachat
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: put it nicely, that's why you have Kinberg writing and
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: directing a trilogy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But like there was also a lot of other
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  Speaker 2: parts of that Deadline interview that Kennedy was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I talked to a whole bunch of talent and started
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: naming all of these directors, all of these writers, one
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: being even Ryan Coogler. And there was the comment also
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: with the idea of Ryan Johnson. Somebody did point out
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: and said, I think a lot of directors got spooked,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: which is why, of course you have the one guy
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: directed that directed the Dark Phoenix movie, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: and I genuinely hope, truly, I hope that Felone sees
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: the writing on the wall after this whole interview has
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: been out there and says, hey, let's give these already
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: amazing directors that basically print money anyway, yep, give them
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: a huge guarantee and make them make a movie in
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: the Star Wars universe.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what'd be interesting. That's what'd be interesting to see,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm not confident because of what we've heard about
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Debora Chow, what Debora Chow went through with Obi Wan Kenobi,
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  Speaker 3: with Fabro and Filoni stepping in. If you can't even
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  Speaker 3: give her a chance when she's proven herself on Star
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Wars properties, Yeah, to make a thing her own? Why
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  Speaker 3: would these uber famous?
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  Speaker 2: By the way, I totally forgot about that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just saying. I did also like how she talked
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  Speaker 3: about Starfighter in this interview. Deadline asked if there was
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: a potential that Starfighter could delve into multiple movies. She
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: said it's completely designed as a standalone, that that is
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: what uh Levy and her decided to do from the start,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: especially with Gossling involved, but that they really like I
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: think his name, what it was his name, the kid
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: actor who is coming in UH to Starfighter, Flynn Gray.
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  Speaker 3: Levy and Kennedy really like him and think that he
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: could have a huge career, and so they talked about
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: She and Deadline talked about how like, hey, you could
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: see this character coming back, but it's not designed that way,
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  Speaker 3: Like it really is not. Yeah, she said, we found
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: this fourteen year old kid out of Ireland who had
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: virtually no experience. That's always risky hanging a story so
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: much on a child actor you're not exactly sure how
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: comfortable they're going to be playing. Gray turned out to
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: be such a special kid. When you have kids, a
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: lot of it becomes about the parents. He has great
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: parents and got lucky there too. Not only was he
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: there with Brian Gosling, this movie is structured in a
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: way that he had kind of a new actor coming
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: in every few weeks that he was one on one
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: with Matt Smith, Amy Adams, Aaron Pierre, etc. So I'm
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: excited to see what this kid can do. I do
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: hope that they touch to this kid.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I genuinely think, like I would hope, not
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: that I think, I would hope that Kennedy knew, hey,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I'm leaving soon. I really do hope that she gave
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: a lot of warning and like also like hope to
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: this kid and their parents and said like, hey, just
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: because of what's been happening in the past, just be
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: aware this might happen. You might see these types of
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: comments or this type of reaction when this movie comes out,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: when the first trailer comes out, and all these other things,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: and to better help prepare him and his family for
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: those types of interactions. And yeah, I do think it
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: is Lucasfilm's responsibility to take care of that.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Kid, and they haven't done it previously. So I think
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: we're speaking to dead air, but hopefully that will change. Yeah, So,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: I honestly I think that's really it. In this, Kennedy
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: talks in length about her career and what she's looking
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: forward to next. Oh, the last thing I found her
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: one regret was taking on a Han Solo biography movie
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: so soon and hang on I had it. Yeah, she said, No,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: I don't really have any regrets. Well, maybe a bit
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: of regret about Solo a Star Wars story. I brought
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Larry Kasden in on it, and we were so excited
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: about that idea. And then when you're into something and
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: you realize fundamentally conceptually you cannot replace Han Solo, at
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: least right now.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: You can, by the way, just like you can you
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: can having it character correct.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Having it that early in the Disney takeover of Lucaswilma
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: was a mistake and that has scared them since it.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: If it had been like, oh, hey, let's do a
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Han Solo recasting biography movie now versus twenty sixteen or
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: twenty eight twenty seventeen. I think that is what it was.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I think you have a little bit of a different story.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: And she said, as wonderful as Alden Heinrich it was,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: and he really was good and is a wonderful actor.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: We put him in an impossible situation. Once you're in it,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: and once you're committed, you've got to carry on. I
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: think I have a bit of regret about that, but
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: not about the movie making and filmmaking. I don't have
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: regrets about that. I just think that conceptually we did
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: it too soon. And that's the big thing is you
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: have to set up your own story, and I think
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Rogue one did that so perfectly. But then you go
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: into this a Star Wars story aspect and you're like, oh,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: the next thing, we're gonna do Han solo bio.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you put it that way, I think that
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: you your head's a little too big for your shoulders
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: when you first make because I remember that announcement, it was, oh,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: all of these movies will be Star Wars stories, so
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: we're gonna do Rogue one. Then there is rumors of
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: the Han solo and then they're like, okay, well, if
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: there's Han solo, then of course there was rumors of
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: oh is there gonna be a Yoda one? Oh I
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: heard there's rumor of a Bubba fet one. And of
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: course that rumor of a Bobba fet was actually the
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Mandalorian and so yeah, I could I could see looking
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: in that perspective. Okay, what you really should have done
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: is you have this idea of Rogue one a Star
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Wars story, make that its own thing, go from there,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: and then when you talk about the characters that are
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: already well developed into this universe, you do that later on.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Yep. And the only other thing, which really doesn't apply
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: to us, but nobody else really talks about this. She
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: said that Harrison Ford actually wanted to do a fifth
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Indiana Jones movie. He did not want to end on
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: what the fourth movie was, and that he felt like
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: indeed deserved one more tale to truly end the story.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: So I kind of love that.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: That's interesting, especially like of course this also I'm pretty
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: sure it was in this interview as well. Uh, it
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: was unveiled that there was also gonna be was it
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: animated or or or a TV series?
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that was a rumor that came out
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: from this with like everything else, was that they had
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: talked about doing an animated Indiana Jones TV series on
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Disney Plus, which I don't know why you wouldn't do that,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: because I would imagine it would be a hit.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I think, like, and again, I think one of the
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: biggest and dumbest decisions that any suits can currently make
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: in any studio is thinking, oh, well, cartoons are for kids. Hey,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: have you seen South Park? And have you have you?
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Have you just just wondering, like, have you have you
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: seen South Park?
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know what it is is, but like
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: like or you were asking that rhetorically, like.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Rhetorically, it's just like, sorry, there's a freaking uh Akira.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Like there's so many animes and cartoons, American cartoons, they're
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: not for kids. Indiana Jones, You of course are thinking, Okay,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: this is supposed to be targeted towards actual like fans
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: of Indiana Jones, which are more of the adult age.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: You can still make an adult animated cartoon. Yep.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: And apparently nobody's ever gonna get that nowadays.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: It's so dumb. It's so dumb. But I think that
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: is it for this Kathleen Kennedy News.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes it is.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: So we are into the book review into Star Wars Outlaws,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: low Red Moon by Mike Chin. Now do you know
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: why I love this book so much? Because of this
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: man right here? This man knows basically how to just
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: write episodes of Clone Wars, and like, I can almost
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: visually see everything this man writes. Yeah it is.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: He writes so descriptively. And now I did not like
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Brotherhood as much as you did. It was still good,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: but it was not like superb like you.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Uh, and I say you, But I'm just also talking
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: to the audience about this. If you haven't read Brotherhood,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: I think you should one hundred read Brotherhood before you read.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: This book because there's characters from that. And I didn't
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: get it until his acknowledgement at the end. I was like, Bill,
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: that sounds familiar.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I immediately knew. Because also something that Mike Chin has
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: made cannon into the Star Wars universe is my favorite
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: mini game to one of my favorite franchises of gaming,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: freaking Final Fantasy. I freaked out about this when we
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: reviewed Brotherhood, but he made blitz ball cannon in Star Wars.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: It plays a part in here, and as soon as
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: he mentioned blitz Ball again, I was like, Oh, there's
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: probably gonna be more references to brotherhood. I want to
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: know what it might be. And then of course later
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: on in the book there are characters that pop back
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: up again. So yeah, it was very fun fun.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: I super dug this book, and I'm super interested to
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: listen to the audiobook now because they have so guys,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: we go back and forth between Jalen Barsha aka Jalen
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Frax's perspective and in D five's perspective in this and
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: we just flip back and forth basically. And Jalen's chapters, guys,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: are written in I think it's third person, third person present.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: It's not third person omniscient because it's written from his perspective,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: but it's third person. And then n D five's chapters
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: are written in first person. And that did take me
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: a second to adjust two, but ultimately I got on
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: board and I really kind of enjoyed that because that
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: really kind of gets you in the mindset of the
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: droids persona, because they're very much an I kind of
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: the thing, because they don't care about anybody else exactly.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: And I think one of the best things that I
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: think I want. I want to know from Tom or
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: from Michael Siglane if there is intentionally footnotes about droid
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: humor in Star Wars novels, because droid humor is dry humor.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: That is like droid humor equals is equals dry humor.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: That's just across the board, and they do it so well.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Mike does it so well with this the uh, we're
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: not getting into like spoilers here, so we're still kind
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: of just talking about overall thoughts. ND five is an
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: old Seve We're destroyed, so they play a lot off
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: of that. They also play off the fact that because
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: he is a war droid, basically he is a Hohlkling
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: of a droid. Like they play into every aspect of that,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: and he is very a matter of fact, He's like, well,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I have no emotions because I'm a droid. Oh well,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: I have no idea what you're talking about because I'm
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: a droid. Like it is so like kind of like yeah, duh.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: But in the moment, it's just hilarious and I love it.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: I want to give a shout out because I think
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: you were also kind of heading in this direction. Jay
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Rincon and Eric Johnson. They reprise their roles from Star
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Wars Outlaws the video game into this novel. We already
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: said this on a previous episode of Star Wars Alliance,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: but Mike schen did mention in his acknowledgments in the
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: back of the book that he was thinking of them
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: while he was writing the book. So I think it's
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: really cool that they were actually able to reprise their
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: roles as these characters. But Katie, Oh, like, I know
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: this is top five for you? What makes it without
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: spoilers of course, until you actually get there, what makes
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: this book top five?
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: I really do think the writing helps nail it a lot,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: especially the different perspectives, because you just get to dive
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: into each character. I really feel like I know Jalen
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: as a character and as a person out of this book.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Like you talked, we talked at the beginning about how
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: okay we could dive in to the video game now
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: really like enjoy it as a whole. I feel like
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: I would know him personally going in and being able
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: to go, ooh, do I trust you?
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Do?
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: We think I trust you?
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I have I have some last
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: like little notes on Jalen's end of the story that
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: I was just like, oh, I gotta keep this to
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: myself until we get there.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: We'll get there. But like in D five two, like
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: I remember when the trailer for Outlaws came out and
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: everyone was like, there's a Commando droid and he's wearing
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: a duster.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Like there was so many people that were hot for five.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: It was weird.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: And I think Jalen's character correct me wrong. I think
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Jane's character was originally thought to be the Oh my gosh,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: it's the Jedi character from Legends.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, from Jedi Academy.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not Cam, It's not Camdess.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: It is uh. It starts with uh uh Jayden Jayden Core.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Is it Kyle Cataran, Yeah, that's it. Everybody thought it
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: was Kyle Cataran yep. And still you look at him.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: You look at him right now, he looks like Kyle Catary. Still, Like.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: I kind of dig that. It's like, Okay, we're gonna
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: do this, but he's to be that character.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: And like I could totally see, like I don't personally
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: know Kyle Katarn's story in Legends. I only know him
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: from the video game of Jedi academy, so he was
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: already like in the thick of being a Jedi at
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: that point. So I don't know any of his past,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: so I don't know if there's any links or anything
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: to Jalen and Kyle. But like I I really dig
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: his character. I really love his motivations, his decisions throughout
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: the book except for the last one. We will get
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: into it. And I I understood him, like genuinely. I
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: understood his anxieties, his fears, his excitement, Like I understand
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: everything about this character.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: You really do, because and you understand those motivations like
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: from the incident at the beginning of the book where
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: in D five and Jalen get introduced, Like you understand
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: those motivations that come through and it like like you're
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: saying it really does, but it really does come through
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: where you go. If I was put in his situation,
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: I would do the exact same thing. And we'll talk
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: about his relationship with in D five and that restraining
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: bolt that comes into play.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: But like.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: I would one hundred percent do exactly what he did,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: and I have no clubs with it. And I know
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: that's why the epilogue is there, is to kind of
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: go Okay, hey, there's more to this that means the app.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's I'm curious to finally play Outlaws after this,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: but I'm curious to see how much of this story
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: is finished with Outlaws and then what remains, because if
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: there's more, if there's a possibility of going on another
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: adventure with BD five, Jalen, or the combination of both,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I think I want it.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think so too, So I'm interested to see.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: I probably won't play it again, but like I will
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: probably go see if somebody.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: His combined all the cut scenes and guns story.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, especially because I Kves as a character is
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: super intriguing to me as well, Like we don't get
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: enough of the female smuggler. I feel like so that
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: I definitely will be going to look at the cut
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: scenes for sure. I think I'm ready to dive into
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: like minor spoilers. I don't feel like there's a lot
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: out of this we could like really spoil.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think of let's just get like the big
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: one out of the way. Yeah, the meeting of the two, Yes,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: So I think it's more fun to kind of learn
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: who Jalen and his family is. So I'm gonna leave
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: all of that alone, but just know that they get
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: into a situation where it's time to celebrate. Everybody's having fun.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: It's all a good time. Of course, Jay's dad is
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: gonna be watching bliss ball, everybody's gonna be eating, It's
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: all gonna have fun. But one thing that you probably
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: didn't expect out of us being all like joyous of
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: this entire story is the fact that ND five was
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: not a good guy to start off with. He was
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: actually programmed to kill Jalen and his family, and he
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: just see succeeds somewhat to a point of where Jalen's
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: the last one. There is a part of the story
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: that I've told Katie, like even when we were texting
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: about it, I said, this is predictable. I think I
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: already know what's gonna be at the end of this book.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: And we were right. We were, we were totally right.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna spoil that part. I think the setup
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: is really nice. I think that the way that you
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: learn about the family, it gives you those emotions that
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: you really need for being on the side. Excuse me
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: of Jayalen and all of this, But when the act happens,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: when n D five makes his way into this party
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: and does the act that he does. There's I'll be honest,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: during that entire sequence, I had to probably reread it
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: two or three times. A lot of things happen.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: I did as well. That's probably the one area that
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: I had trouble with was I was like, wait a second, like,
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: am I following this correctly? And I had to go
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Especially when Jalen is working with like the lead droid,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: I had to go one one they were they were
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: tracking all the heat signatures and watching them sip out,
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: and I was like, wait a second track tractor like
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: flip back and forth kind of just to make sure
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: I was following everything properly. It's really the only point
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: I had problems with the book. I got to part
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: two and I was like, Okay, I have to slow down.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: I have to slow down, Like I cannot just jump
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: into part three, but I was super excited to.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: It's funny that you say you need to slow down
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: by part two because because of the events that happens
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: at the end of part one. ND five is not
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: the same quote unquote droid that he is when he's
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: a try he's trying to kill Jalen. So then they
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: start to work together via the help of a restraining
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: bolt yep, and.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: That saves Jalen's life at the end of it, and
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: he ends up stump basically stunning in D five.
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: Mm hmmm, And it basically sets into a sequence of
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: events like, hey, like if you pull the a droid
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: smith droid repair person tells him, hey, if you pull
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: this restraining bolt off, there's no guarantee that what's on
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: that chip that is fused to his brain basically.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: There's no telling if that would come back or not.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: And so Jalen basically says, Okay, I'm gonna keep this
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: restraining bolt on him because I need the help to
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: find out who did this to my family.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: I don't want to die.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: I don't want This book is revenge, a revenge story. Yeah.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: And it's funny that you said you need to slow
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: down back part two. When part two starts, or like
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: maybe a little bit into part two. The next thing
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: you know, you're reading in the perspective of ND five
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: and he's like nine years have passed and you're like, wait,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: what Yeah, Like that caught me off guard as well,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: because like you just you see them working on ND
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: five to get this restraining bolt, and like all these
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: other things and like making everything, making sure everything's all
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: hunky dory. And then the next thing, you know, he's like, yeah,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: we've been working together for nine years. I was like, uh, Mike,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: what are you doing this? This whole this whole like
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: story of Revenge could have been a trilogy. Yeah, Like
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: I want to know what other adventures they went on.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: And that's what like, I'm so curious because I would
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: you kind of talked about how the real happens to
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: the end the book, and I won't dive into like
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: what that reveal is, but that reveal that we were
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: both expecting to happen. I was like, is it going
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: to happen or does it happen in the video game?
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Wow, one thing, I will say,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Chapter forty eight, forty nine, and fifty are so short yep,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: And I thought we are not going to get this reveal.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: They're gonna make me buy this video game. So that
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: what I'm thinking of the story. And because I thought
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: that happens when I will when I made that thought process,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: I love Mike Chen, but I literally said to myself,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: if this is just an advertisement to make me buy
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: the game. I will hate this book forever, yep. But
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: they give you the satisfying ending. They give you what
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: they promised at the beginning of the story. This is
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: a full completed book with a tease at the end
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: to basically acknowledge, Hey, there is a game after this, right,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: so I dug this. We get to see some familiar faces.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Finnick has become such a like fan favorite character.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: I jumped up and down.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: We're seeing her so many more different things to see
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: her in this I think is very very fun and
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: it's very much the Finnic character, very stoic, not very talkative.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: She gets to be a badass with a sniper in
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: this book as well. Very very fun. I liked all
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: of this even I I think she's an original character.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: But Laurel, Yeah, she has an original character. And Mike
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: Chin in the acknowledgments talked about her and she passed
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: away in early twenty twenty five and was a science
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: fiction writer, and that she was in the process of
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: writing two novels that have not yet come to pass
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: come to be published.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, at the very end.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so as Laurel Amberdigen is who that character is
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: named after.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, well that's sweet. I didn't I didn't get that
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: far in the acknowledgments because I literally like almost finished
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: the book, like right before we started recording. Look, I'm sorry,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: no no, no, no no no. Like it was, it
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: was more so because I had to like also work
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: around Ranger Alliances recording that we were supposed to record yesterday.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: So like it was, it just kind of got everywhere.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: But yeah, this book was so much fun, so much fun.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: There is heists, there is comedy, there's emotion. There, there's
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: everything under the sun in this book. And I think
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: genuinely when you can get a writer that can put
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: almost everything in a book like this, I feel like
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: the only thing this book did not have is like
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: romance and horror, like are the two genres that weren't
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: in here. There's action, there's adventure. There's a little bit
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: of suspense, Like there's like there's an intense moment where
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: like a bomb's about to go off and ND five
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: has to fly an old schools separatist ship to try
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: and saved Jalen. It was so intense. It's so cool,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: But like, yeah, it's just a great, great book. But
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: one thing that I will say, I won't ruin the
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: ending for you guys. I will say this in order
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: for Jalen to really move past what happened to him
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: in the beginning of the book, he makes a decision
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: almost immediately after to change his name to give himself
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: a new identity. In the book, he finally, like at
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: the end of the book, he finally embraces that new identity. Yeah,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: and I didn't like it the decision that he made
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: at the like literally the last page. There's there's the
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: two there's two pages at the end of chapter fifty. Well,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: it might have even been chapter forty nine and chapter fifty.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: It might have been both.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was That was the final thing I
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: was gonna ask you about. So the restraining bolt NT
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: five actually, once we get to the nine years later
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: portion at the beginning of the book, NT five spends
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: the majority of his time without that bolt. Is not
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: until the very end when that reveal happens that the
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: bolt goes back on.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Really, And Jalen uses a terrible excuse. He's like, man,
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: you were for me your own identity. You were going
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: to reply to this message, so.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: That was the thing. So throughout the book, Jalen ignores
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: knowledges that he has lied so much about the bolt
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: to ND five, he had to be very hesitant on
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: creating new lies because he didn't want to cross the
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: wires of certain lies. Yep, So when he made what
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: essentially is this final lie, because in D five there's
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: points in the perspective of ND five where he acknowledges, Oh,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Jalen makes some really like questionable reasoning on while I
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: need it, But he is, of course somebody who wants
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: the best for me. So yeah, ND five is just
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: a loyal freaking dog man.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: Like he just wants to be loved.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Essentially, he is just a very loyal dog And for
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: or that decision to be made, like I like to
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: go through that entire story with Jalen, for Jalen to
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: make that story, to make that choice at the very end,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: I was very disappointed in the point, not in the book.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Not in the book. I was not disappointed in the book.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: I was disappointed in the character. That was very clear.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: That was the one point where I disagreed with Jalen's
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: decision making as well. Like I said, I related and
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: could make every decision that he's made. I think at
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: that point, Indy five has proven himself reliable enough where
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: you don't have to worry about that, And if you're
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: truly leaving your old identity behind and embracing your new one,
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: there's no reason that you should have had to make
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: that choice, especially with the choices that Indy five made
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: at the end to prove his loyalty to you.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Which is why I need to know what happens in
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: the game, because it is kind of teased in the
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: acknowledgement that this story could possibly continue in the game, So, like,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: I want to know if what happened at the end
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: of this book between Jalen and n D five, is
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: that at all acknowledged? Is there a conversation about it?
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Is there a like reversing of the decision? You know?
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like there is gameplays up on YouTube,
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: so I'll have to go check that out. I don't
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: know this person, because I obviously don't really do a
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: whole lot of gaming related things, but the rad Brad
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: has a part one at least, I'm trying to see
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: if he has a full or if they have a
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: full playlist, but I will definitely be checking out because
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: I want to know if it continues, because obviously based
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: on the epilogu which I'm not going to dive into
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: the epilogue, but something does happen. Something happens, So what happens?
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: And I want to know this and the epilogue being there,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: I don't mind that as a selling point for the game.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: Like you said, if the reveal that we were expecting
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: hadn't happened at the end, I would have been pissed
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: off with the book because that is too much. You
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: need to finish the story that you're telling to make
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: this a good book. And Mike Chin one hundred percent
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: makes this a good book. This is a five out
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: of five for me. But knowing the epilogue is what
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: it is. I need to know what happened.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: There is a video here called game It's from a
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: channel called game Clips, Star Wars Outlaws, all cut scenes,
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: full movie. But this is twenty twenty four. It's twenty
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: twenty six. Did this game come out in the end
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: of twenty four?
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, Well, uh it's two hours and fifty nine minutes.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, it's a movie. It is a movie. Okay,
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna put this in my history so I can
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: come back and watch it later.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, there, here's a gamer's Little playground which has all
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: cut scenes, full game movie six and a half hours.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Oh so that's the whole game. So that shows you
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: the whole game. Yeah, it'll it'll show you their gameplay
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: to give you context to the cut scenes.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it says full game movie. So the difference
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: is all cut scenes full movie. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: I'll probably just go all cut scenes. I don't know
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: if I do watch the gameplay.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: No, Like I I think that you especially now that
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: we know a little bit about the world of Outlaws. Yeah,
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: I'm sure we can probably like get some references and
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. But yeah, guys, this this was a
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: really good book. I'm definitely going to have to really
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: decide if this hits my top five with Katie.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: I say top five once. If we do the episode,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: we'll see, Yeah, I think we might have to go
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: like top ten in that one and just really talk
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: about it. But like this hit and like, guys, I
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: know we didn't talk too much about it. I think
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: lately we've had more issues with books that have come
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: out so these reviews have been a lot longer. This
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: one is a very simple plot, like all Riven stories are,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: There's not really a whole lot to talk about plot wise,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: Plus we don't want to spoil too much. I love Phinnick.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: I love the fact that cures in here as well.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: I love the fact that my Chin's able to tie
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: in his other characters and other books into this very
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: simple plot. But like it does it really well. And
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: that's what you have to do with a simple plot
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: is if you're going to do a simple plot, you
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: have to hit on all cylinders, and my Chin did
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: exactly that.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this also uh gives me even more of a
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: want to jump into his marvel. He has a what
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: if I believe it's Moon Night?
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what if Moonnight was Venom or the almost moon Night?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it says, what if Mark Spector was the
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: host to Moon was the host of Venom? So, uh,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna pick that up as well, so that'll.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: Be Yeah, it's been sitting in my audible because we
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: got the first one and then I never continued off
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: because the first one, So now I'm gonna have to
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: go do it. But yeah, I love the book. Honestly,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: Random House Worlds, bring him back, give him another one.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what he deserves. I think, like genuinely, I think
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Mike Chen should definitely be a go to person for
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: like of course, like one of the books that is
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: going to be coming out this year hasn't been announced
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: yet as far as date wise, but the Mask of
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: Fear trilogy, Like we still have the second book coming
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: out this year. Like, if they do another initiative and
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: have a trilogy or do something like The High Republic,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Mike Chin should be a part of that, because Mike
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: Chin was not a part of The High Republic. Yeah,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: and I think he should be one of those go
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: to writers.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: Well, and this is the thing that comes in with
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: Folony taking over, is the creative head of Lucasfilm Boloney
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: don't care about the books. So is Filoney going to
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: allow there to be another initiative or is he gonna
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: just want hey fill in the Blakes.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Don't remind me, Katie.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: We have to be a realistic Star Wars than Yes, yes, yes,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: yes we do.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: It's probably healthier that we be a little bit more, really,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: It's good for our sanity, all right, Clay, where can
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: they find you.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: Of course, you can always find me at Fanboy clay
• 1:03:25
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• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: I'm hardly on there anymore. And then also I wanted
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: to acknowledge I acknowledged this over at Ranger Alliance. I'm
• 1:03:40
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• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: am slowly but surely getting used to this schedule that
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: I have with this new job. Mondays will be my
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: content creation days for the podcast. So I know, we
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: kind of took a break there for a second, me
• 1:04:02
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• 1:04:06
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• 1:04:11
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• 1:04:16
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• 1:04:19
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• 1:04:33
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• 1:05:02
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• 1:05:05
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• 1:05:08
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• 1:05:12
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• 1:05:18
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• 1:05:19
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• 1:05:22
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• 1:05:24
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