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ITB: Is Christian Parker The Missing Piece For The Cowboys Defense? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on? Everybody? It's
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Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher Adam Kaplan and we are continuing our podcast
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Speaker 1: series looking around at all of the coaching changes in
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Speaker 1: the NFC East. This one's gonna be on Dallas, which
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Speaker 1: is one major major change, and that's defensive coordinator for
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys. And of course he comes from the Eagles
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Speaker 1: and he is Christian Parker. The first thing that sticks
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Speaker 1: in my mind at him when we talk about this
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Speaker 1: is that this is, and I think in a good way,
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Speaker 1: a very un Cowboys like move. If you look at
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Speaker 1: their past hirings of defensive coordinators, they're constantly chasing the retreads,
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Speaker 1: whether it was Mike Zimmer or eber Flus or like,
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Speaker 1: wasn't Rod Maron Ellie at one point they're defense.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, many years ago. But the thing is Christian Parker
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Speaker 2: that this is crazy. I mean they're this is three
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Speaker 2: straight years that they're having a new coordinator. Yes, Zimmer
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Speaker 2: for one and then last year with eber Flus. If
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Speaker 2: you got cam by the Bears, that was that.
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Speaker 1: Was Yeah, who was before Zimmer? It was another one
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Speaker 1: of those like older guy, I'll go check, but it
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Speaker 1: was somebody who was like you've heard of him, he's
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Speaker 1: been right.
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Speaker 3: I know that.
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Speaker 2: Oh that's the end that well, technically I guess it
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Speaker 2: could it technically could be four and four years then
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Speaker 2: on your point, because Zimmer was twenty three, was twenty four,
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Speaker 2: Ibers is twenty five and and Christiah Parker's in twenty six.
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Speaker 2: Just for Dic saying that. And the last the thing
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Speaker 2: is like you could, you could fire coaches all you
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Speaker 2: want m hm. And they were totally undisciplined and embarrassment
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Speaker 2: last season on defense. But it's what point are they
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Speaker 2: is Jerry Jones and Will McLay. Will mcclay's a personnel
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Speaker 2: director and Jerry Jones he basically is their assistant general manager,
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Speaker 2: they having the title. He's resisted leaving. They paid him
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Speaker 2: a lot of money. He's really smart. But unfortunately they
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Speaker 2: keep drafting and guys that don't play within the team
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Speaker 2: concept all the time. Major lack of discipline, yep, and
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Speaker 2: it just shows. It's just it's embarrassing. Now they brought
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Speaker 2: in good team guys like Kenny Clark, Quinn Williams. Quinn
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Speaker 2: and Williams became a big team leader. If a rough
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Speaker 2: start with the Jets, he grew up and he's a
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Speaker 2: really good football player and he's committed doing the right thing.
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Speaker 2: But you can't have three or four guys like that.
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Speaker 2: You need to have eleven guys who get it. That's
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Speaker 2: why the Eagles you were talking about on our other show, historically,
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Speaker 2: if this division for years have dominated, they didn't win it,
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Speaker 2: they went farther or whatever the case may be, They've
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Speaker 2: been They've been the best team for many years because
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Speaker 2: they get higher character players. You always have to have
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Speaker 2: the best players. You need to have guys who buy
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Speaker 2: into the team concept, and they just don't.
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Speaker 1: Agreed agreed by the way that list I was talking about. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so last year is ebra Flus. The year before that
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Speaker 1: was we just talked about zimmer right, so kind of
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Speaker 1: retread head coach DC right the year before that. Now,
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Speaker 1: they had Dan Quinn for a while. He did a
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Speaker 1: nice job there, but he did fall into the pattern
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Speaker 1: of a guy who'd been a coordinator and a head
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Speaker 1: coach with the Falcons, right, And then before that it
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Speaker 1: was Mike Nolan, another guy who had been around for
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Speaker 1: a while head coach coordinator, and then before that it
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Speaker 1: was Rod Marinelli for many years, and before that it
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Speaker 1: was Monte Kiffen, So.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, them getting a first time young play caller who's
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Speaker 1: never been a coordinator or a head coach is like
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Speaker 1: a decade or so in the making for this.
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Speaker 2: D d Q did a good job, like he did.
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Speaker 2: He's the last one to do a good job. Zim
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Speaker 2: er Kanda. He was. He had been out of coaching
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Speaker 2: for a while, and they tried with our old friend
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Speaker 2: Paul Gunther. It just didn't work, and then Gunther's now
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Speaker 2: at the U n l V. They're doing a good
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Speaker 2: job there. Dan Mullen and gun for coach together or
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Speaker 2: Sinus tiny Asinus College behind King of Prussia. One of
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Speaker 2: my brothers went by the way, and uh, it just
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Speaker 2: they're doing a good job there. But just Dallas has
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Speaker 2: been an absolute dumpster fire on defense spite there. I mean, look,
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Speaker 2: they're talented, m just they getting disciplined. Now, you hope
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Speaker 2: with Christian Parker, a younger voice, first younger voice in
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Speaker 2: a while running in their defense. Probably probably a decade
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Speaker 2: or more that they had someone under forty. But anyway,
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Speaker 2: you've got someone who knows who's going to come an
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Speaker 2: absolutely fangio system. They're gonna they're going to change through
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Speaker 2: thirty four front, which they haven't run really in a
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Speaker 2: number of years. Dan Quinn runs to forty three, but
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Speaker 2: it looks like a thirty four, But we're talking about
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Speaker 2: two thirty four or two overhangs, right, it's different and
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Speaker 2: you need beef upfront. I mean, it's funny Jerry Jones
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Speaker 2: overdid it? You know with the trades with defensive tackles,
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Speaker 2: they're going to have plenty. The question is the fit
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Speaker 2: that's going to be the issue.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean ideally you're going to think, as you know,
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Speaker 1: what the Eagles will have to worry not worry about here.
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Speaker 1: But understand about this Cowboys defense is that they're going
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Speaker 1: to try like every team wants to do, is they
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Speaker 1: want to try to be better against the run and
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Speaker 1: be able to stop the run out of Nickel. I
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Speaker 1: mean most teams want to be able to have a
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Speaker 1: good enough fronts where they can do that. Now the
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Speaker 1: Cowboys have struggled to stop the run out of base
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Speaker 1: so so Parker's got his work cut out for him.
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Speaker 1: But they obviously have been addressing the defensive front. Now
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Speaker 1: if they can do this at him, they have stockpiled
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Speaker 1: some nice young pass rushers for their one when they
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Speaker 1: want to get to nickel and have these like edges
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Speaker 1: overhangs between Eziraku and a couple of guys that they've
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Speaker 1: drafted over the last few years. They got somebody. It
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Speaker 1: was a Houston who played well for them last year.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the guy who couldn't stay healthy. I
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Speaker 2: know the Lion's talking to them when they had them,
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Speaker 2: they were so proud of that. That fine for them,
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Speaker 2: but he just could not stay on the field. I
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Speaker 2: went to Cleveland briefly and then did a good job
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Speaker 2: last year. Yeah, I did a really good job. But
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Speaker 2: so looking at this is what the Eagles are going
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Speaker 2: to be facing the front, They're going to be deep
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Speaker 2: at on thet tackle Diggie Zoa Clarks. We mentioned Solomon
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Speaker 2: Thomas is sort of a tweeter Carrion It rent for
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Speaker 2: Winfrey parrieon Winfrey never made it with Washington. Yeah, excuse me,
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Speaker 2: Cleveland got in trouble, was suspended. Uh. I remember him
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Speaker 2: coming out of Cleveland. Just never really contributed with the
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Speaker 2: Jets for a while and he's now with Dallas. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: Greg Cose I loved him. He just goes my TV
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Speaker 2: to know about off the field stuff. But look, they're
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Speaker 2: they're deep there. Now do they yes? Do they have
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Speaker 2: the size though that one gap penetrator? Uh? If you're
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Speaker 2: playing one gap are they going to have that guy?
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Speaker 2: It's just that's the question. But it's it's going to
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Speaker 2: be interesting to see what what Uh joe Ja Toya,
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Speaker 2: who Greg actually mentioned on our show last year of UCLA,
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Speaker 2: who's a big dude wide, He's a he's a run
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Speaker 2: he's a run guy. So we'll see. But they're kind
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Speaker 2: of a fascinating team because man, if they ever put
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Speaker 2: it together, look out. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean I think that ideally if you're Christian Parker
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Speaker 1: and you can build that secondary up and that's your background.
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Speaker 1: You talked about having that upfront one gap penetrator. Really,
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Speaker 1: if they can get into good situations at him, that
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Speaker 1: should be Quentin Williams and oh Diggi Zua. Those guys
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Speaker 1: have good interior line burst and you're you're talking about
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Speaker 1: two guys you can rush the passer from the inside,
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Speaker 1: and we know that that's how the Eagles defense at
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Speaker 1: times has been built. Like those edges that the Cowboys
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Speaker 1: have are young. But you you really wanted to start
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Speaker 1: with o'diggie Zua and Quentin Williams.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Williams is wider. I mean, we'll see if
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Speaker 2: they're two a gap in or one gap, but whatever
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Speaker 2: the case may be, they've got plenty of down lineman.
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Speaker 2: Then the question is at edge though they have a
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Speaker 2: lot of them as a RockA who you mentioned James Houston.
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Speaker 2: Actually no, they don't have well, they would have a
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Speaker 2: lot of them, but they're not last seas, Nay too
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Speaker 2: many of them. But clown he's up. Fowlers up. Sam
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Speaker 2: Williams is up. Peyton Wims really didn't play for them.
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Speaker 2: He was hurt. He'd come back from a series of
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Speaker 2: injuries with New Orleans and he was hurt last season.
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Speaker 2: He missed most of the last season. You remember it
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Speaker 2: was a edge rusher sort of run sort of a
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Speaker 2: quasi edge rusher run defender of the University of Houston
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Speaker 2: super long, but she never really made it due to injury.
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Speaker 2: So they've got a lot of decisions to make linebacker.
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Speaker 2: And this is where this is where from if Christian Parker,
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Speaker 2: I'm absolutely politicking for Nikobe Dean. Coordinators love having their guys. Man.
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Speaker 2: When I say, guys who know the system that to
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Speaker 2: me and read blanket ship two smart players. You know, no,
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Speaker 2: you know they know what they're doing because what they're
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Speaker 2: doing there to do is teach, They explain, and don't forget.
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Speaker 2: The Cowboys miss badly, badly on on that inside backer
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Speaker 2: they got from Logan Wilson. He never really did anything.
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Speaker 2: I you know, I thought the Bengals were wrong. I
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Speaker 2: talking to someone with the Bengals that he just didn't
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Speaker 2: fit their new system with Al Golden last year. Apparently
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Speaker 2: he didn't meet it with Matt everfless because they never
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Speaker 2: he barely played him well.
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Speaker 1: It kind of reminded me of when the Eagles tried
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Speaker 1: to get Shack Well. They signed Shaq Leonard at the
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Speaker 1: end of the twenty twenty three season, hoping he would
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Speaker 1: be some kind of savior for them, when he was
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Speaker 1: clearly not the player that he was done. Yeah, he
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Speaker 1: was completely done. But if you remember, it cost the
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Speaker 1: Eagles Christian Ellis because they waived him after they brought
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Speaker 1: in Shack Leonard. Then the Patriots Patriots got him and
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Speaker 1: he's become a pretty good linebacker. Now a lot of
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Speaker 1: the Eagles are missing out on good off ball linebackers.
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Speaker 1: This has been like the best enough.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, Yeah they're good. But I wonder because
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Speaker 2: he was just a really good special teams player. I
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Speaker 2: wonder what would have happened because you saw t J.
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Speaker 2: Edwards what he did. He worked his way up from
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Speaker 2: being an undirected pH agent to a player. He's not
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Speaker 2: a modest free agent deal, but still sign for six
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Speaker 2: million or more a year with the Bears. You just
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Speaker 2: wonder because he came, he became a player. Christian Ellis
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Speaker 2: with the Patriots, He's got a decent contract. They have
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Speaker 2: a lot of it inside backers in their thirty four front.
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Speaker 2: But uh, overall, Dallas, you just you just you have
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Speaker 2: no idea what you're going to get. Ken the Kenth
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Speaker 2: Maury tray didn't really work out all that well. He's
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Speaker 2: a guy never really made it as a former first
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Speaker 2: round pick. Donovan Wilson's up. We'll talk more about that
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Speaker 2: the roster when we get We'll do a free agency
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Speaker 2: intel nugget stuff for them as we get closer to
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Speaker 2: free agency. But they have so many questions, man, so
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Speaker 2: many questions. But they really rely on defense. Other than Pickens,
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Speaker 2: who should get the tag. I'd be stunned if they
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Speaker 2: got reached a deal before free agency started, right, but
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Speaker 1: The question I have is, you know the Cowboys seven
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Speaker 1: to nine and one last year, Adam seven to ten
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Speaker 1: the year before they've had. They had a really good
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Speaker 1: offense last year scored the second most points in the NFL,
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Speaker 1: and they're gonna bring a lot of those guys, if
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Speaker 1: not all of them back. So if Christian Parker's influence
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Speaker 1: can make Dallas' defense plus whatever moves they make, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, twenty percent better than last year, is this
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden now looking more like a nine
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Speaker 1: to a ten win team, if not more? Because really,
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Speaker 1: offensively they're very good.
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Speaker 2: I know, I mean Pickens lamb Ferguson, Javata Williams is up.
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Speaker 2: He had an incredible season. Good for him after the
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Speaker 2: multi l liguement knee injury suffered in the second season
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Speaker 2: with Denver, their line has got some issues. Turn Steele
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Speaker 2: has been up and down. Guitan is not comfortable left tackle.
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Speaker 2: He's missed some time. There are questions whether Tyler Book
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Speaker 2: will be a high level right guard. Tyler Smith has
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Speaker 2: been a great story outlined him many times. He's gonna
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Speaker 2: have to be a left tackle, moved to guard. No
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Speaker 2: one thought he could play it well he did, apparently
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Speaker 2: instead of their coaches. He's been great. But by the way,
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Speaker 2: that's what Trevor Keagan is. That's right.
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Speaker 1: And you know they have a very good run game
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Speaker 1: guy because Schottenheimer is their their play caller. But Clayton
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Speaker 1: Adams is a guy that we talked about that the
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Speaker 1: Eagles were hoping to talk to. Didn't happen. They like him.
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Speaker 1: I mean, their run game was fantastic. I mean, who
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Speaker 1: would have thought Jevonte Williams last year was going to
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Speaker 1: resurrect his career to the way that he that he did,
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Speaker 1: And it kind of makes me feel like, yes, that
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Speaker 1: was good for Javonte Williams. But I feel like even
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Speaker 1: if they got another running back was different. Next year,
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Speaker 1: They're probably gonna have a pretty good run game because
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Speaker 1: their line is a good old line for run blocking,
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Speaker 1: especially and you know the quarterback's good I mean, they
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Speaker 1: have a good offense, the play caller is good. So
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Speaker 1: this is a team that if this defensive staff can click,
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Speaker 1: and I think that's a big part of it. One
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Speaker 1: thing we said about Vic Fangio when he came to
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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Adam is that he was able to get the
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Speaker 1: guys that already worked under him, So the from the
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Speaker 1: top could get trickled down to the players very easily.
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Speaker 1: Because most of most of the position coaches worked under Vic,
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Speaker 1: they knew this defense. That might be a little bit
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Speaker 1: of a challenge for Christian. I mean, I've looked at
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Speaker 1: the new defensive staff. I don't know how many of
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Speaker 1: these guys he's come across or many. Yeah, yeah, that
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Speaker 1: might be a little difficult for him.
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Speaker 2: Not many that he now. Marcus Dixon you might remember who.
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Speaker 2: He's a player for the Cowboys, and you know he's
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Speaker 2: moved around, been a line coach in college and with
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Speaker 2: with with the Vikings. But it's now the question, you know,
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Speaker 2: I don't so much worry about. Well, it depends on
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Speaker 2: how they're going to play their front. But Marcus Dixon's
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Speaker 2: a gosh. I remember covering him for the draft many
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Speaker 2: years ago. But it's just a matter of what kind
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Speaker 2: of how they're going to deploy, where they're going to
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Speaker 2: two gap or one gap is it? Because we've said
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Speaker 2: this before, not every fancier disciple runs exactly the same,
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Speaker 2: which is pretty much for any defensive No one runs
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Speaker 2: exactly because the master is vic right, Bulls or you know,
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Speaker 2: depending on who you want. Gannon, who though he never
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Speaker 2: colled for him, Uh, he's running it because that's what
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Speaker 2: the Eagles wanted to do and he did a good job.
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Speaker 2: I know people hate him, but that's you know, that
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Speaker 2: should be a thirty for thirty. They hate for Gannon,
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Speaker 2: but he'll be boy, he'll be in Green Bay those
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Speaker 2: same conference do they play Do they play Green Bay
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Speaker 2: the season? It's like they play them every season.
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Speaker 1: I dig the season they don't play.
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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, okay, but anyway, it's uh, it's gonna be different, man,
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Speaker 2: and I honestly, I don't think it'll take more than
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Speaker 2: four or five games. You know, if they're going to
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Speaker 2: be disciplined at all, you're just so many big plays.
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Speaker 2: But they cut digs that that was a disaster. Yep,
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Speaker 2: we don't need to go into all that stuff. It's
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Speaker 2: just ridiculous. That was crazy and just oh, they've gotten
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Speaker 2: good safety play. The corner play has been so up
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Speaker 2: and down. Dron Bland big plays, gives up big plays.
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Speaker 2: They love accumulating edge rushers, but they don't have that
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Speaker 2: a level russure show Eagles. I'm sure we'll have no
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Speaker 2: problem against them if they're aggressive, but we have to
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Speaker 2: see what Eagles offense the scheme looks like.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the last thing it would be, you know,
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Speaker 1: Christian working under Vic to me would be does he
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Speaker 1: have the same sense of understanding how to break down
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Speaker 1: a protection, when to use the right sim pressure, how
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Speaker 1: to feel because Vic's so good.
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Speaker 2: At being able to do that.
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Speaker 1: Was still just rushing for I mean, he'll only rush
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Speaker 1: for most of the time and he'll figure out away right,
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Speaker 1: and he'll still figure out a way. Sometimes you get
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Speaker 1: a free rusher to the quarterback, you know, like Wink
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Speaker 1: Martindale is really good at that. But Wink would blitz
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Speaker 1: a lot.
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Speaker 2: I would say, Wink and Greg Williams Worthy two guys
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Speaker 2: out of forty three and Wink of thirty four that
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Speaker 2: It's never a dull moment with the Dallas Cowboys, yes.
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Speaker 1: Sir, never a dull moment. So we will see anything
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Speaker 1: else that strikes you. Offensive Fence Special teams. I mean,
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Speaker 1: they didn't have as much change as the Giants per se.
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Speaker 2: You know, they're almost the entire staff is new. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's true.
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Speaker 1: That is true.
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Speaker 2: It's just how it's going to come together. And learning
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Speaker 2: fangro is not easy. But right, Look when you have
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Speaker 1: It, right, which is kind of like you always say,
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Speaker 2: Under Fangio, right, that was my point.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, all right. Cool. That is a look at the
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