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CRUSHING series loss to the Braves as O's offense goes silent · Birdland Territory

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  Speaker 1: Those fans in a season of frustration. There was more
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday afternoon in downtown Baltimore. The Oils had the
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  Speaker 1: bases loaded trying to win the game in the bottom
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  Speaker 1: of the tenth against Atlanta. They couldn't do it, and
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  Speaker 1: they lose to the Braves three to two in eleven.
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  Speaker 1: And we're with you for another edition of Birdland Territory, Steve,
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  Speaker 1: tim and Brad and guys. Let's start with this stat
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  Speaker 1: And I posted this on my substack about a week
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  Speaker 1: or two ago going into Boston, and I went back
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  Speaker 1: to June twenty second. I went back to that date
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  Speaker 1: because the series that preceded that Dodger Stadium. Ironically enough,
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  Speaker 1: the Oriel scored a bunch of runs won that series.
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  Speaker 1: But in the three games series that have followed, the
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  Speaker 1: offense keeps coming up short. One series, they've been really
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  Speaker 1: good Kansas City. Here's the run down in order, going
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  Speaker 1: back over nine series. Now at the Angels thirteen runs
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  Speaker 1: against the Nats ten, White Sox eleven, at Cincy thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: Cubs twelve, Houston twelve, Boston thirteen, Atlanta eleven. They're barely
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  Speaker 1: getting four runs a game. Here's the really damning part
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  Speaker 1: for the offense, the pitcher er and that span is
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  Speaker 1: three nineteen. They are pitching as well as anybody in
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  Speaker 1: that date that we just I arbitrarily picked. They're going
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  Speaker 1: back to when they kind of stopped scoring and they're
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  Speaker 1: fourteen and thirteen, So seventeen and ten was really what
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  Speaker 1: was needed and they'd be right there. So this was,
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  Speaker 1: in a microcosm, this is what we've been seeing too
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  Speaker 1: much of for about a month now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unfortunate because it was kind of the part
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  Speaker 2: of this team that you just didn't expect to struggle
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  Speaker 2: at all. Figure they're going to score runs, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: the starting pitching staff was kind of what's going to
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  Speaker 2: happen there?
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  Speaker 3: Where's the bullpen going to be? The defense?
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  Speaker 2: All these other question marks that you weren't sure, But
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  Speaker 2: the offense was the one thing that was supposed to
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  Speaker 2: carry this team and really lead them to a lot
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  Speaker 2: of wins. And it's just been a struggle with runners
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  Speaker 2: in scoring position in particular with that stat there zero
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  Speaker 2: for ten today, four for twenty seven in the series,
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  Speaker 2: and it's kind of been that's a microcosm of the season.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like giving up two out runs and not
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  Speaker 2: hitting with runners in scoring position have really been the
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  Speaker 2: two biggest struggles for this team, and it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: where they find themselves at today and this series, those
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  Speaker 2: two things showed their glaring head there multiple times throughout.
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  Speaker 4: It really hard to believe, guys, because Bradham with you
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  Speaker 4: one hundred percent when you're heading into spring training and
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  Speaker 4: we're previewing this Oriole season and what's good about well,
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  Speaker 4: it starts with the lineup. You just expected that this
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  Speaker 4: lineup was going to mash. I was high on the
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  Speaker 4: start pitching and they've been even better. Bullpen was a
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  Speaker 4: big question mark, but give the pen a ton of credit.
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  Speaker 4: Man's it's two months now, over two months, the starting
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  Speaker 4: pitching and the bullpen, they're both top ten and ERA
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  Speaker 4: going back to May twenty second. But for the offense
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  Speaker 4: to be struggling as much as they are, it's really
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  Speaker 4: tough to watch.
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  Speaker 5: And if you would have.
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  Speaker 4: Told us prior to the season that they would get
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  Speaker 4: this caliber of pitching, you would think their record would
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  Speaker 4: be a heck of a lot better than it is
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  Speaker 4: right now. But it's not the case that the offense
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  Speaker 4: is really scuffling, and guys, look, they missed sadly Ruchman.
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  Speaker 4: They missed Samuelbasio, Blaze, Alexander. Absolutely they do. But even
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  Speaker 4: when those guys were in the lineup, you know, they
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  Speaker 4: still weren't performing up to expectations that we had for
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  Speaker 4: the offense heading into the season.
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  Speaker 1: Today, the Orioles went six for thirty nine at bat
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  Speaker 1: one extra base hit, oh for ten with runners and
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  Speaker 1: scoring position twelve left eleven runs in the series against
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  Speaker 1: It a good Atlanta pitching team, we know that, and
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  Speaker 1: it was glaring in this series, particularly the catcher injuries
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  Speaker 1: being with Appasio and Adley. You put those two in
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  Speaker 1: that lineup and the Oils maybe win this series, but
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  Speaker 1: they're not there. What can they do? They're doing the
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  Speaker 1: best they can, and right now it's really tough because
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  Speaker 1: Chadwick Trump and Sam Huffer are combined one for twenty
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  Speaker 1: four the last seven games with fourteen strikeouts. So it's
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  Speaker 1: just it was so bad that they put the winning
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  Speaker 1: run base to give a chance there.
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  Speaker 3: And I was gonna say, Steve, I was.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about it briefly right before we got on here,
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  Speaker 2: but I can count on maybe three fingers the time
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  Speaker 2: seeing that an intentional walk to load the bases with
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  Speaker 2: the game on the line with a one on lead.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know if I can say it three
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  Speaker 2: times I saw it in my career, and to see
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  Speaker 2: that today just really shows you that the Braves were
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  Speaker 2: not scared. I mean they saw it as an how
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  Speaker 2: there was no reason to throw any pitches near the
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  Speaker 2: zone to the battle before. I think it was Holiday.
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  Speaker 2: I forget who was up before, but yeah, so it
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  Speaker 2: was just I mean, that is It's tough. It's they're
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  Speaker 2: they're playing multiple, multiple men down, but it's just not
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  Speaker 2: an excuse in the MLB, unfortunately, because everybody's playing with
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  Speaker 2: injuries and nobody's gonna feel sorry for you.
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  Speaker 3: So it's it was just one of those things.
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  Speaker 2: I was unfortunate to be putting that spot there, but
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  Speaker 2: they had their chance in the tenth inning. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they have nobody else to blame but themselves there with
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  Speaker 2: basically loaded, nobody out, tie game, and you just can't
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  Speaker 2: get that run across.
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  Speaker 3: It's just frustrating. I know it was a good play by.
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  Speaker 2: Olsen there to double up heat at first, but it's
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  Speaker 2: just a frustrating loss and a frustrating weekend overall for
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  Speaker 2: Orioles and I'm assuming the fans are just frustrated at
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  Speaker 2: this point because they've seen it multiple times.
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was tough, man, and it's so glaring because
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  Speaker 4: we know that at the Rocherman and Samuel Bosio that's
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  Speaker 4: the best catching tandem in baseball, and you lose them,
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  Speaker 4: and now you have guys in there that were at
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  Speaker 4: Triple A not that long ago, and Brad, you're one
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  Speaker 4: hundred percent right.
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  Speaker 5: The Braves they're like, all right.
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  Speaker 4: Bring us sam off, like we'll take our chances with
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  Speaker 4: him and a basis loaded situation. And obviously it ended
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  Speaker 4: up paying all for him, but you're also right, they
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  Speaker 4: had every opportunity to win that game in the tenth
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  Speaker 4: inning Man and unfortunately Gunner Henderson, who shockingly every time
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  Speaker 4: Kevin brings it up, Kevin Brown on mass and it's
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  Speaker 4: amazing he hasn't had a walk off, and then you
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  Speaker 4: know what's been such a great start to his career,
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  Speaker 4: it's amazing he hasn't had a walkoff, and that that
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  Speaker 4: was sort of a microcosm of Gunner season, right. He
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  Speaker 4: hit the heck out of the ball and it was
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  Speaker 4: just really unfortunate. It was a bang bang play, looked
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  Speaker 4: like maybe Pete almost.
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  Speaker 5: Got back in there. Maybe he did.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's an interesting review, but you gotta find
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  Speaker 4: a way to push a run across when it's bases loaded,
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  Speaker 4: nobody out, there's no excuse.
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  Speaker 1: How do you see that one played appearance today for Gunner?
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  Speaker 1: Because I have fans jumping Gunner because of the season
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  Speaker 1: he's had that saying you didn't come through there. I
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  Speaker 1: think you hit the ball hard, you can't steer it.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't strike out into a double play. It was
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  Speaker 1: a double play, but not a six four three.
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  Speaker 4: I think that play on its surface, like, that's just
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  Speaker 4: bad Luckick, what are you going to do now?
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  Speaker 5: Now?
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  Speaker 4: I understand the fans frustration, and obviously Gunner has not
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  Speaker 4: had a lot of those signature moments that he's had
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  Speaker 4: plenty of throughout his career in terms of runners in
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  Speaker 4: scoring position, you know, high leverage spots. I kind of
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  Speaker 4: just chalk that up to, Hey, the Braves are a
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  Speaker 4: heck of a team, man, and the defense that they
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  Speaker 4: had on display throughout that series was unbelievable, and I
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  Speaker 4: just I chalk that up as just a bad luck
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  Speaker 4: play for Gunner.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly getting back to the catchers, Sam huffin were three
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  Speaker 1: hundred and five career plate appearances, has a six eighty
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  Speaker 1: eight mlbops. That's not bad, but he's four for thirty
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  Speaker 1: three his time with the Ools this year that is bad.
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  Speaker 1: One twenty one and Trump in two hundred and ten
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  Speaker 1: plate appearances is five eighty five. So just by those
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  Speaker 1: two stats, I mean huff is the better hitter in
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  Speaker 1: brief career. Neither is hitting right now for the Orioles,
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  Speaker 1: and unfortunately it's at a time when others aren't. It's magnified.
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  Speaker 1: If yours were scoring six runs a game, Gunner was rolling,
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  Speaker 1: Ward was rolling, they were all going. Then the catchers,
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  Speaker 1: that wouldn't be as noticed. So it's tough on those guys.
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  Speaker 1: They're getting a chance. Yeah, they are doing some nice
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  Speaker 1: things defensively. And I'll say, oh, by the way, oh
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  Speaker 1: for ten with runs in scoring position today, was not
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  Speaker 1: all of them? Not you guys bad at right? They
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  Speaker 1: scored two runs at eleven innings?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's obviously because the play the game ended
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  Speaker 2: with Huff at the plate. But those guys, they're NXT
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  Speaker 2: when when you have those guys having come up because
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  Speaker 2: of injuries. Those are not the guys you're expecting to
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  Speaker 2: knock in the runs and to do all the damage.
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  Speaker 2: They're gonna play a good defensive catcher, and that's mainly
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  Speaker 2: what they're there for. It's a call a good game,
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  Speaker 2: be a good defensive catcher, and if they get some
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  Speaker 2: hits that that's icing on the cake. But at this point,
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  Speaker 2: if you're expecting them to be the ones to win
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  Speaker 2: the game, your team is just not. It's and it's
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  Speaker 2: no slight to those guys. Like I said last episode,
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  Speaker 2: I played with Chadwick Trump and Triple A. He's a
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  Speaker 2: very good player and he deserves to be a major leaguer.
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  Speaker 2: It's just those are the guys that you can't expect
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  Speaker 2: to win you ball games. And it's just kind of
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  Speaker 2: unfortunate that it came down to that.
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  Speaker 1: Today it is and it's a frustrating weekend for oriole fans.
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  Speaker 1: And a week ago we had them in by mode
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  Speaker 1: two series later where they go one and two against Boston,
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  Speaker 1: one and two against Atlanta. I said to somebody last
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  Speaker 1: night in the press box, I would not want to
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  Speaker 1: be Elias and his staff right now trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: out what's the best play here as it's seems to
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  Speaker 1: change every ten minutes.
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  Speaker 4: It's gonna be a fascinating lead up. And I've been
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  Speaker 4: saying that for weeks now, But geez, guys, you think
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  Speaker 4: we're eight days away from the trade deadline and we
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  Speaker 4: saw one move what was it yesterday or this morning
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  Speaker 4: early getting trade from the Red Sox for mead from
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  Speaker 4: the Nats. I think this is just gonna be a
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  Speaker 4: flurry of activity in the last forty eight hours leading
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  Speaker 4: up to the trade deadline because I think everyone's really
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  Speaker 4: holding out. And heck, look at this upcoming series between
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  Speaker 4: the Tigers and the Orioles, Like, whoever loses that series,
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  Speaker 4: how does that factor into the calculus there?
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  Speaker 5: And to add even.
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  Speaker 4: More drama, Wednesday, guys, the projected starters Trevor Rodgers opposite
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  Speaker 4: Trek scoobl it could be the final game for both
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  Speaker 4: of those guys. It's gonna be a lot of fun
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  Speaker 4: and craziness leading up to August third.
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  Speaker 1: It certainly is. The Birds lose two of three to Atlanta,
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  Speaker 1: they ans it that series at fifty one and fifty five.
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  Speaker 1: Now onto Detroit for three games starting Monday night with
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  Speaker 1: that Markue pitching matchup coming Wednesday, so that's going to
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  Speaker 1: be an interesting series. Stick with us. We got a
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  Speaker 1: lot more to do. This edition of Birdland Territory.
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  Speaker 4: This next week is sure to be exciting as we're
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  Speaker 1: All right, thanks Tim, And you know you look at
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  Speaker 1: this pitching. We mentioned the stat and want to put
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  Speaker 1: it up again to give some props to this pitching staff.
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  Speaker 1: Since that series we referenced, that's three nineteen TmrA, which
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  Speaker 1: is crazy. So it feels like opportunities lost here, fourteen
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  Speaker 1: and thirteen, two more wins sixteen eleven, yeah, really good,
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  Speaker 1: seventeen and ten, So eighteen and nine they had a
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  Speaker 1: chance to really run this thing. Now it all was
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  Speaker 1: not lost here. There's two months to play, and remember
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  Speaker 1: how fast it change when they want a few. So
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  Speaker 1: they just got to go to Detroit and get it going.
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  Speaker 1: You keep taking these gut punches, which I think is
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  Speaker 1: taking it out of the fan base. Whether it will
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  Speaker 1: eventually take it out of the team, We still have
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  Speaker 1: several weeks to find that out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you're right.
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  Speaker 2: See, you just got to keep playing the games and
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  Speaker 2: kind of see where you're at come this next week.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just we've talked about this multiple times on
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  Speaker 2: the show, but leading up to this trade deadline, it's
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  Speaker 2: a it's an intricate puzzle with the Orioles. You have
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  Speaker 2: so many pieces that are moving past this year. To me,
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  Speaker 2: it's like it's at the point where I feel like,
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  Speaker 2: with Trevor Rodgers, you either sign them to an extension
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  Speaker 2: somehow this week if if you can get that done,
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  Speaker 2: if not, you got to get the best deal for him,
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  Speaker 2: because he is pitching at one of the highest levels
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  Speaker 2: with anybody across baseball right now. I think they said
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  Speaker 2: it's been seven or it was either seven or nine
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  Speaker 2: straight starts of two runs or less. Name another guy
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  Speaker 2: in the big leagues who has been pitching like that.
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  Speaker 2: He's been unbelievable and he's gonna be one of.
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  Speaker 3: The top guys.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's very interesting that he's facing school
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  Speaker 2: ball on Wednesday, because I feel like both those guys
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  Speaker 2: are gonna be on the move, and they're both highly
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  Speaker 2: as of being lefty starters, they're both highly gonna be
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  Speaker 2: solid after here. So it's an interesting week and I
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  Speaker 2: just I keep it keeps coming back to the point
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  Speaker 2: with me, with Trevor Rodgers is the biggest piece here.
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  Speaker 2: They either got to extending past the season or they
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  Speaker 2: got to kind of move on. And I hate to
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  Speaker 2: say that the former player, but I just feel like
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  Speaker 2: with the organization, it's you're just stuck at that crossroad
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  Speaker 2: right now that there's really no other option in my eye.
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  Speaker 4: I still just am so surprised and Steve we talked
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  Speaker 4: about it Friday on the fan. I'm still so surprised
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  Speaker 4: they have not reached out to Trevor Rodgers. It's very
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  Speaker 4: puzzling to me. And you give Michael Isyas a ton
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  Speaker 4: of credit. Locking up Kyle Bradish, Shane Bose, you got
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  Speaker 4: two fifths into your lineup or excuse me, starting rotation?
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  Speaker 4: Locked up long term? Roger seems like he wants to
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  Speaker 4: be here, and look, I don't know what his asking
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  Speaker 4: price is. I don't know if his agent would ask
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  Speaker 4: for the moon, but it's certainly worth having a conversation
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  Speaker 4: with him, and it's a really tough spot for this
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  Speaker 4: team to be in because I would assume you're still
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  Speaker 4: gonna have the qualifying offer because you're operating under the
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  Speaker 4: CBA at least for a month until December first, and
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  Speaker 4: then all signs point to them doing away with it.
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  Speaker 4: So at worst you could offer him the qualifying offer,
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  Speaker 4: but he would be someone that I would want to
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  Speaker 4: consider locking up long term strongly, Brad.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get your opinion on this, having played
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  Speaker 1: in the majors and work with agents. David Rubinstein Friday,
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  Speaker 1: the pressor for Bradish and paraphrasing, said something like anybody
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  Speaker 1: that's interested in staying here, we want to talk to you.
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  Speaker 1: Is it almost to the point now where despite the
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  Speaker 1: public comments of Trevor, the whole world knows he wants
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  Speaker 1: to stay, including the Orioles that his agent calls them
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  Speaker 1: says here's here's what we would sign for. Let's talk
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  Speaker 1: over the next twenty four hours and get this done. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's they agents are a representation
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  Speaker 2: of the player, and I think if as much as
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  Speaker 2: it's a difficult process to go through because he's right
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  Speaker 2: at the edge of reagency and you want to get
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  Speaker 2: your full value and all this stuff. But at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the day, if he really did want to
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  Speaker 2: stay with the Orioles, I'm reaching out to my agent
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  Speaker 2: and be like, Hey, let's find out what the best
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  Speaker 2: offer we can get for them, because I really want
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  Speaker 2: to stay here. And the fact that he was on
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  Speaker 2: air on Masson in the Boston series saying I want
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  Speaker 2: to be here and I want to sign like I
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  Speaker 2: want to be here long term, that speaks everything you
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  Speaker 2: need to know. Because the fact that he said it
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  Speaker 2: on air in the middle of a game, to me,
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  Speaker 2: is like you never hear a player say that, especially
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: somebody who's as close to free agency, and somebody who's
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: pitch as well as he has been pitching, where his
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: value is just going off with every single start that
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: he makes. It's just I just don't seem it doesn't
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: seem like it should be that far fetched to get
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: a deal done, and I don't think it would take
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: that long, because I think both.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Sides are clearly interesting.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Like you're saying to me, it's kind of odd at
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: this point that there hasn't been at least some kind
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: of talks.
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: Because there's there's no downside because look, Michael Eiath could
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: approach his agent and theoretically, and I'm just making this up,
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: theoretically his agent could be asking for XYZ, asking for.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: The moon, and it's just so ridiculous that it doesn't
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: make any sense for the Orioles to do so. But Okay,
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: no harm, no foul. You're having the conversation. You're you're
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: figuring out what you know he's searching for. And I understand,
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: you know, heading into this past offseason that it was
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: a difficult negotiation, right because all right, he was on
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: an insane eighteen start stretch last year.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: Are you paying paying him off?
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: That?
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: Are you paying him off when he struggled when you
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: initially traded for him?
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: Who is the real Trevor Rodgers?
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: Then he got off to a great start this year,
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: then really struggled in the month. Man, he's been fantastic
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: over an eight start stretch. Now he's one of the
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: best starting pitchers in baseball in that stretch. So I
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: understand it's it's a little tricky, but you know, I
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: have the conversation, try to figure out, you know, what's
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: fair for both sides.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a fan ask me this question. They said, Steve,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: are you convinced there have been no talks or do
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: you think it's Trevor's way of saying there have been
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: no talks going anywhere? And I said, well, he's told
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: multiple outlets, including myself, and I've asked him a couple
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: of times this year there haven't been any talks. Now,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: the other side of that could be at an appropriate
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: time media ask Elias, have you even reached out this
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: year to Trevor and his folks? Is anything happened? Did
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: you get anywhere? Did you try? You asked that question
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: and hear his answered That's what I'd like to hear
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: on the other side of it. Friday would not have
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: been the appropriate time to do that. It's a celebration
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: of Bradish. The whole team's sitting there, including Trevor. That
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: probably was not the time to try to back Mike
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: into a corner or get and answer that specific question.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: But I would think at some point before or after
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: the deadline, he's going to do more media and somebody's
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: got to bring that question up. We got to hear
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: his side of this.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, And I think you're I think it's more
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: and I think it even in the press conference, he
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: had mentioned that a lot of players don't like the
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: distraction in season. So maybe it's them not wanting to
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: reach out to Rogers representation because they don't want it
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: to be distraction, or it's just I feel like it's
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: a lot of times it's it's you don't know, so
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: you don't want to like push anything and you don't
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: want to mess up anything along the way, and it
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: just gets I think there's like no communication at all
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: from both sides, so nobody knows what's what's actually going on.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: Well, what's interesting, Brad.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: I had Rogers on my show a week before opening day,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: and I remember he was asked at the beginning of
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: spring training were there any talks? He said no, So
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: I asked him again at that point, what were there
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: any talks? He said no, And then I did ask him, well,
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: would you and your representative be open to negotiating mid season?
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: And he did say yeah, he said he was all
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: for it. So I don't know. I don't know.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: It's a strange scenario that is still unresolved. We don't
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: know as he's staying, is he going, is he traded?
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Is he going to pitch through the season. He had
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: a qualifying offer and leave. Maybe they make a last
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: ditch Hail Mary on you know in November, and he returned.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: You know, he really wants to be here, so he
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: likes what he hears these days. When he gets to
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the point where a player can hear from thirty clubs,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: that's when your club is in trouble. If you haven't
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: done it by then, you know, now you're giving twenty
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: nine other teams a shot at this guy.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: That's that's challenging, And especially if you consider Steve, if
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: he pitches an they're close to the level he's pitching
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: right now.
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: The rest of the way. Man, he could ask.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: For the moon at that point, and who would blame him,
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: especially being a left handed starter.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Exactly a lot to play out here, trade deadline, tick
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: tick tick Here to August third. We're closing in on
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: that as the Orioles lose to Atlanta on Sunday and
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: eleven innings now head to Detroit. We got more coming
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  Speaker 1: up on Birdland Territory.
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• 22:55
  Speaker 1: As we take this show, I just noticed via Twitter
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: that some of the reporters are noting Oriel pitching prospects.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Luis de Leone and Juwan Watts Brown are being promoted
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: from double A to triple A. And infielder of Viheva
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Eloy is going from Frederick to double A Chesapeake. So
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: that's interesting. Daily One to Triple A, Jiwan Rotts Brown
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: to triple A. The Oels are getting some of the
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: arms a step closer. And I went to Booie about
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: a month ago and did a long piece on Luis
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: de Leone, who's RA at that time was six, and
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I watched him pitch that night, and I talked to
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: some people with the team and I concluded he was
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: about to get it going and he has gotten a
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Cohen that night in front of me. He did because
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: his line was a lot better than what the box
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: score said. That night, the defense hurt him and Juwan
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: wats Brown, a right hander with a lot of talent
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: they traded last year, got him in a deadline deal.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Fans are going to look at his overall stats and
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: not be impressed, but his last six or seven at
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: double A have been lights out. So the Oils are
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: taking a hot pitch. You're in promoting them. These are
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: two of their better arms, and so that's interesting. They're
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: getting guys one step closer here. Who knows who they're
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: gonna call well, and as the season gets to the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: dwindling days.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I think it's always interesting when you see that jump
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: from double A to triple A, kind of see where
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: they're at and if they can continue the success from
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: double A to triple A, you know they're knocking on
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: the doorstep of the big league. So it's definitely exciting
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: times down on the farms for guys. When you're getting promoted,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: it's always exciting, but when you know you're one level
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: away from the big leagues.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: That's when it.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Really really starts to get interesting and fun, because you know,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: anything could happen at any point when you're in Triple
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: A and Steve.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: You know, even going back to when this farm system
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: was at its peak three four years ago, a number
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: one farm system for multiple years, I feel like it
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: didn't have this type of pitching depth that it currently
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: has right now.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: It's come fast to him in the last year or two.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: You could see last year at Double A, the big
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: three of Trey g Gibson, Nestor Herman, and Levi Wells,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: they've all been now been Triple A. One of those guys,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Wells is hurt. Hermon's pitching well by the way, and
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Gibson's back pitching for Triple A. So they're loading up
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: some arms at Triple A. And if you look at
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: their top fifteen prospects Baseball America tenor pitchers, so clearly
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: the shift has happened. The hitters made it to the
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: big leagues, Adlee, Gunner, cals Er, Westburgh. The pitchers are
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: a step or two behind them. But I like some
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: of these guys, as you guys know, I really like
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Trey Gibson, but I like Leuis dellyng too, and I've
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: been wondering which international pitcher they signed is going to
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: break through first, and this might be the guy A
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: lot of people have labeled him as the guy to
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: do that. Lefty with the mid to high nineties slider
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: is really really good, I mean really good, and he's
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: really driven to pitch well. And he had an instance
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: this year at Double A where he gave up a
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: ton of runs and the pitching coach told he challenged
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: them to eliminate all that overnight, so you throw your
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: bullpen and you show us that what is more like you?
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: And he did and they liked the response. So I'll
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: be curious to see what these guys do at Triple A.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I want to touch on an attendance note, and we
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: will do that in a moment here On Birdland Territory.
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  Speaker 1: So, guys, this series against Atlanta disappointing end for the
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Ools on the field, but in the stands. It was
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: arousing success. Ninety eight thousand and six, ninety a weekend series.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: They gave away these shirts the whole weekend. The kids
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: got them today and the adults got the Hawaiian shirts
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Friday and Saturday. And the orals will tell you that
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: is their most popular promotion. The fans love these Hawaiian shirts,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: so why not have two night giveaways? And for me,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: attendance in Baltimore safer occasional. You know, Outliers really comes
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: down to weekend and giveaways, and if you put them
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: two together, you really got something and you get people
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: in the stands. Because Tim, I have fans say, why
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: are people watching the Orioles there? They're losing record, why
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: are they going? It's not about attendance doesn't happen immediate anymore.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: You know you're winning team, so bam, all of a sudden,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: in two weeks, everybody shows up. It's just different. I
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: just feel the game is different and and weekends and
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: promotions get people in the stands almost no matter of
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: the record.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I remember when I was playing, the Hawaiian shirt was
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: a huge giveaway and it was always packed house. And
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: you know, anybody you talked to that was getting close
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: to that that time. They were like, oh yeah, it's
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: why sure giveaway. We're definitely gonna be there that weekend.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: So it's funny that they're not funny, but it's just
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: kind of cool that they're still selling huge amounts of
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: tickets when they give away the Hawaiian shirt, because even
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: ten years ago at this point, I remember that being
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: a big giveaway and my family was in town one
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: of those giveaways and the stadium was slammed. And it's
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: always fun playing in front of those crowds no matter
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: what gets them in the stands, it's always fun with
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Kim the yards packed. So that's cool to see this weekend,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: and unfortunately they just didn't get it done. But it's
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: still great to have that many people in the stands
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: anytime you can get them.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Hawaiian shirt and the floppy hat.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Those are the two stables that I feel like have
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: been around for quite some time at this point. But look,
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: it's one of the best ballparks in all of baseball.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: It just underwent significant renovations that have only made it
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: even better, and it's going to undergo even more renovations
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: this offseason.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: But you can go back, even that series against the Royals.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Steve where heading into the All Star break, I was
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: a packed weekend. Look next weekend when the Phillies come
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: to town, it's going to be a packed house again.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: Chris Davis getting inducted into the Orioles Hall of Fame Saturday.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: You know it's it's gonna be another strong attended series.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And the Orils now do a military promotion every
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: home game. Eighty one out of eighty one, they'll salute
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: a member of the military or some connects you with that,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: which is a great thing. It's very It's become very
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: popular moment in the game when the fans salute that
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: person who gets his moment in the spotlight. It's really cool.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: I know I brought it up. I think it was
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: the Royal series. Coincidentally enough that that one hundred.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: One year old.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's saying that.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: I was singing the national anthem. It's like, oh my god,
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: this is awesome. Like, geez, that's off to that's off
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: to him.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: All the Oriols have always done that too. Like even
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: when I was playing, it was like kind of underneath
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: the tunnel wasn't really talked about a lot but Sunday games,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: they had different military organizations that would come down and
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I love being a part of that, just getting to
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: meet the families. And I mean it was a wide
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: variety of military organizations, but all former military either still
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: serving or just got done serving, you know. Unfortunately, some
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: families who lost members in the military service. The Royals
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: have always done such a great job with honoring those,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: you know, people and their families, and it's great to
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: see that they're now doing every single game, because that
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: should be something that should be done every game. It
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: doesn't take a lot, and it means a lot of
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: those families and the servicemen and women that have given
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: sometimes everything to let us play a game and let
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: us cover the game and all that stuff. So it's
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: really cool seeing the Oils be able to do that.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it means a lot to the people at
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: the game. You see, they are happy to let that
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: person know how appreciated they are and what they did
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: for the United States. So it's really cool. It's just
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: a feel good moment. It's a nice thing to do
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: that a ball club can do. And the Oriols and
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Ravens really both do a lot of great community stuff
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: so we tip our hat to both of them for
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: that and we'll see how it gets on the field.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Those fans is they need a good week man going
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: to Detroit. Got to lick their wounds after this loss
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: on Sunday against Atlanta and get back in the win
• 31:03
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