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We Get To Do This - Danger Will Robinson! · Providence Voice

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Abba Father, Lord Jesus, Holy Spirit, we are
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so thankful to be here today. It is such a privilege
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to break from the regular routine of the things
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we do, and we do a lot of things, we spend a
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lot of plates, but it is our privilege to get
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to do this. We get to do this. So Lord, we pray
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specifically for those that will... listen to
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this, whether they're doing it on purpose, or
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they find us somehow, or somebody sends it to
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them, that they will find themselves encouraged,
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inspired, and sometimes even challenged. And
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so, Lord, we give this to you. We fire the arrows.
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You pick the target. In Jesus' name. Amen. Amen.
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It's Wednesday, July 29th, 2026. We get to do
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this. This is episode number 43. Hello brother,
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how you doing? I'm doing great. I was just locking
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my car remotely so You know, have you actually
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done the remote start? Yes. I keep forgetting.
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I do too. I'm walking out of H -E -B. I'm like,
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oh man, oh, it's 98 degrees. It's always an H
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-E -B. And I didn't do it. When we go to the
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gym, I always remember because I'm hot. I'm feeling
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it. But I always forget at the grocery store.
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I get there, why am I paying for this? Well,
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it's a freebie right now. It is. I would do a
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freebie too. And then it's going to be, oh, and
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this costs you $5 a month. I don't think that's
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worth it. There's a lot of these little nuances
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that pop up. subscription life, right? I mean,
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you may or may not have a few subscriptions.
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I've actually been paring down. It's a job going
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back in because they don't make it easy for you
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to unsubscribe. You know, I was listening to
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the clips show of No Agenda with John C. Dvorak,
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who we'll talk about a little bit in a moment.
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And there was a really old clip. And I knew it
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was old because of the sound quality, you know,
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back in the Skype days and latency and lag and
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everything. EQ is real different on those old
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days. It was halfway across the world. I was
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in London at the time. And he was talking about,
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I forget the guy's name, a Silicon Valley guy.
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He said, that in the future, everything we think
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as things we buy and own will be licensed and
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will be on subscription. And in time, John was
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talking about books, music, and movies, because
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back in those days, you know, 15, 16 years ago,
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you downloaded songs, you owned them, you could
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put them on different devices, you had DVDs.
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And he was right. All of that has gone. And now
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it's moving to the automobile. The minute you
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open the door, you basically have signed a license.
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They, oh yeah, I agree to these terms. Not necessarily
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a good thing. Well, we've heard that wonderful
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quote from the World Economic Forum. Oh yeah,
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you will own nothing and you will be happy. Yeah.
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So not so much. Like, how many subscriptions
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do I have? Wait, where's that? Because the net's
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always going. What's this $6 .37 charge? Bro,
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Tina opened up one of the bank accounts, which
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literally just is there for PayPal stuff, because
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it goes from that bank account to PayPal. He's
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like, what is this Brmafidnava for $17? Because
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it's all abbreviated. Right. You have to look
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at the PayPal. He's like, what? What is all this?
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You give a lot of money to Google. I said, no,
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I do subscriptions through Google. That's why
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it shows up as Google. Is it just me or is the
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on -ramp so easy, but the off -ramp is a nightmare?
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I've actually found that if you do everything
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through Google Payments, the off ramp is pretty
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easy. You just say stop. I've been lazy. So I'm
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just like, yeah, what am I on right now? Okay.
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And then I have to run it all back down. Fortunately,
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I've got it down to where it's just a couple,
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just a very few things, but I'm trying to be
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cautious about that. So this is a moment for
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me to exhale. I've been working up, working up
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to this, just running, running, running, gunning,
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getting everything ready. You know, we have since
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the passing of my other podcast partner, John
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C. Dvorak, things are changing, things are morphing.
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I feel like I'm also trying to be there for another
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family, because we are family, be it intercontinental.
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We've never really talked about personal stuff
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per se. It's always been business, but always
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laughing and always joking. And so that's still
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laughter through the tears, you know, and whereas
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we're trying to figure stuff out. And John gave
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plenty of opportunities to laugh. And that's
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one of the, I think is one of his greatest contributions,
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even if he was being a curmudgeon. I was always
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disappointed if I listened to the show and he
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wasn't a curmudgeon. I'm like, hey, he's in a
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good mood. I think you and 98 % of the people.
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I love the chemistry that you guys had. Something
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has happened to me, which is kind of odd for
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me, but it's beautiful. Brutal, maybe is a better
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word. Because I'm such good friends with you
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and Tina, Annette and I, And because we've walked
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together now for three years, pretty much nonstop.
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I mean, we've traveled together, we've done a
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lot of things, and now we're doing this. But
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I have, I feel like I've either been adopted
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into the No Agenda Nation, Gitmo Nation, or I've
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just adopted mine. I just barged in and crashed
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the party because I've been blessed to go to
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some of the meetups, a couple of local here.
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out at Jenny's place and then out over in Austin,
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a couple of those. And so that's about four that
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I've been to. And every time I've gone, I came
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away lifted, inspired. I love meeting, you know
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me, man, I couldn't walk down the hall here without
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having a conversation. We always start the podcast
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late. Oh, we saw five people we knew at HEB yesterday.
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What could have taken five minutes was an hour.
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I'm just here for dental floss, people. Let me
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go. I'm here for a gallon of milk. Well, you
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are a part of Knowage and the Nation. I feel
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like I am. And an important part because the
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more I listen to what people have to say and
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thousands of emails, I'm trying to get through
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all of them, the donation notes which you got
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over the past two episodes, I noticed that Yes,
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people came for the media deconstruction, for
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the clips, et cetera, but it was the chemistry
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between us that made it work, which is always
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the case with a podcast. It doesn't matter what
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you're talking about. People want to listen in
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on the conversation, and they like the dynamic,
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and that's a big part of it. So you were as much
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an extension into the show as... As my daughter
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as my wife as you know all these different people
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who are around me, but also This is the big thing
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that I noticed when all of these notes came in
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65 % at least were godly spiritual believers
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not you know, there were some faith thoughts
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and prayers. Oh, yeah You know, there's there's
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a lot of that and well wishes and I'm not discounting
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that all good, but a lot of godly people and
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I I hope that my openness about my faith helps,
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and we've had some actual feedback that people
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said, oh, because you did that, now I feel like
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I can be more open about it. And you've seen
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it, the meetups, people come up to you and it's
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not just, hey, you're a friend of mine. It's
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like, pastor, I got some questions. Yeah, it's
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been beautiful. Because people are always asking
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questions. People are writing me too, which is
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really nice. I've enjoyed it. I answered one
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even just this morning. And I love that. I love
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that interaction. you know, we may not always
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be able to be in each other's face, but we are
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in each other's space, so to speak, so in our
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orbits. And so I love it. What it is for me,
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it's a pastor's heart, it's a shepherd's heart.
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So the shepherd wants to protect the flock and
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the sheep. And it's like the Lord's extended
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my flock, or at least my heart for the flock,
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so to speak, where I'm just so, I'm feeling some
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of the grief and weight that that the family
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is because it's tragic anytime somebody passes
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and all that's hard anyway. We grieve and we
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should grieve well and grieve fully. I remember
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my mother passed, I was young, she passed at
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45 so I was in like a sophomore in college. And
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when she passed, I went to, I didn't feel a lot
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of grief instantly. I'm a delayed griever. So
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I got there and I was thinking about this in
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terms of even listening to you on the show, have
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some moments where there was a break in your
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voice, you know? Absolutely. But I know why.
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It's the same reason I do. I don't often grieve
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for myself personally. I will later when everybody's
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okay. But in the moment, I'll grieve for those
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that I see hurting, that I see broken. I think
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you felt that same weight as you were manning
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the microphone. Completely. Because you were
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smack dab in the middle of it. You're in the
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other part of that equation and that chemistry.
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But what I heard in your voice, especially when
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you read that opener on the Sunday, that was
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a shepherd's heart. It wasn't just a friend or
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a business partner. It was actually a shepherd's
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heart, a pastoral heart that's driven by Christ
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in His kingdom and His kingdom alive in you.
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You were feeling those things. You were empathizing.
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And I'm feeling the same thing for... So I've
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written several daily grinds specific... Yeah,
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for No Agenda Nation. To No Jits, and oh, I'm
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posting it everywhere else. But really, this
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is for that group that's hurting, that group
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that's confused or just struggling right now.
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Normal grief. It is normal. It doesn't feel normal
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when you're in it. Mm -hmm. Yeah, but it but
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it won't last forever. Yes. It's but you got
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to go through it. You can't go around it It's
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funny that I only broke up a couple times during
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the show and the the hardest one was being Mmm,
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was it Thursday or whatever? There was a donation
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note from a ham radio operator And when a ham
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radio operator passes away, he becomes an SK,
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a silent key, from the old Morse code key. Oh,
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you're right. I tear up again. I don't know why
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this gets me. Brother, feel it. Let it go. So
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you go on the air, and you call out his call
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sign, and then you wait. And so he had recorded
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this here. And he calls that again, third time.
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He says, OK. Nothing heard, silent key. That's
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very much like the police officers, what they
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do, the firefighters. They have a ceremonial
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radio moment for the whole, everybody listening.
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That's what it was. It's honor is what it is.
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It hit me so hard because we were... hack hams.
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We just became hams for the lark of it and just
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to tell people you should become a ham radio
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operator just in case the world crumbles. You
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need a way to communicate. We would always be
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able to do the show on ham radio. All those dystopian
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movies have one ham radio operator who's broadcasting
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across the desolate landscape. It was always
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us. He was always a little wacko in the movies
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though. He's a little weird. Again, always us,
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same guy. I'd been feeling a pull towards doing
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things for the kingdom for a long time. Look
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at why we're doing this podcast. That wasn't
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by accident. I'd been feeling this pull for a
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long time and with John's really sudden passing,
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immediately I started to feel things, and not
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just what I feel or what I'm hearing in prayer,
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but also the scripture. I think I might have
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mentioned this to you, but it's like God pre
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-wrote everything and put it in exactly on the
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27th of July, 2026, so I would read that. But
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it was everywhere. It was about transition. with
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death. I just wrote down a couple of scriptures
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that popped up, Joshua 1, 2 and 5, Moses, my
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servant is dead, now therefore arise, go over
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as Jordan, thou and all... I got the King James,
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and all his people unto the land which I do give
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to them. As I was with Moses, I will be with
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thee, I will not fail thee nor forsake thee.
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Joshua 1 .9, have I not commanded thee, be strong
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and be of good courage, be not afraid, neither
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be dismayed, for the Lord the God is with thee
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wherever you go. I got, when the road ahead is
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unclear, Psalm 37 .23. Of course, that's the
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steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord and
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he delights in the details of his life. But also
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in Proverbs 3, trust in the Lord with all your
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heart and lean not into your own understanding
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and always acknowledge Him and He will direct
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your paths. So, I mean, and it just went on and
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on, Jimmy, just it did not stop. And then, of
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course, the new thing, how struck by, wait a
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minute, where was I? I think I had it here. What
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is the passing of the mantle? Is that from Elijah?
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I had it here somewhere. Elijah tears his clothes
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and picks up the mantle. Elijah tears his clothes
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and picks up the mantle and goes back to work
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the same day. So all these things, and for me
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it means a handoff, a transition, new things,
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literally new things were popping up. I got a
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I think it was a devotional from Krish Dhanam.
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Yeah, yeah, I got that same devotional. It was
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good. Yeah, he had 1 Corinthians 10, 13, no temptation
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has overtaken you that is not common to man.
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God is faithful. He will not let you be tempted
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beyond your ability, but with temptation He will
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also provide the way of escape and you may be
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able to endure it. And he has a, you know, so
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he has a whole devotional and a call to action.
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Trust the hands beside you, rest in the hold
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above you, guard the heart within you, walk boldly
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toward the hope ahead of you." And it was this,
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like constant, constant, constant. Now, maybe
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it's because you get a 10 -speed bike, you see
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10 -speed bikes everywhere, but I don't think
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it was that. I think it was something else going
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on. That's a Holy Spirit -inspired filter. It's
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a new filter, a new grid. Yes. And so as I'm
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feeling all of this and I'm thinking, well, first
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of all, we're taking two weeks off from No Agenda,
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but I was already very clear like there's going
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to be change and that change is going to be me
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in particular because I have other things to
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do. And I can't just, you know, it's not like
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your wife passes away and here's my new wife
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and it's going to be the same. We were each other's
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work wise for lack of a better analogy. And that's
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just not how it works. And you can't just like
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start a new Chemistry with somebody whereas I've
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literally started we've been talking about doing
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the show for three years before we even started
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it So I could hit record three years ago, right?
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So, you know then there but then there's also
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there's another family that depends on yeah the
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finances of it and wars and us too and this is
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you know, this is the thing where this past week
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has been Of course also had got a granddaughter.
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So it's been incredibly joyous incredibly sad
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And then fear sets in, like, oh, what now? So
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now what? I mean, for more than 15 years of my
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work life, I've had one job, really. And I've
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done lots of other things, but I've had one job.
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And this job has sustained our lifestyle. We're
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not super wealthy. We are more than comfortable.
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And I'm super happy with that because I don't
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need anymore. It's fine. But then you start thinking,
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well, what if, you know, so this will go down,
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will it go up? Do I struggle with somebody else?
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And you know when you start down that, the enemy
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just jumps in right away. He's an opportunist
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and he takes, he leverages things against us.
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So when we have that one, that thought creeps
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in, we give it a little power, we entertain it
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for a moment. And it's like tipping the first
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domino and they just start to go. And I'm so
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grateful. to Jesus that I was saved because this
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is exactly the season where I need my faith to
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be able to at night just crawl up next to Tina
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and say, Lord Jesus, Father Abba, just hold us.
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Hold us, make us feel secure. People don't realize,
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you know, I don't know what, people don't know
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me really. They know me, but they don't. I mean,
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without no agenda, you know, I have no income.
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There's an identity piece that happens. So I
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pastored a church in Abilene, we were 60 % military.
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So we would see these guys and we'd go to their
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ceremonies, their 20 year when they exit and
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retire. And it was so, the ceremony is always
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amazing. And man, it's a big party, there's food
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and friends and family come from all over. It's
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a big hurrah. And then when the lights go down
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and all the party stuff's gone away, Those guys
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go home and go, what do I do now? Their entire
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identity for 20 years, I thought about you, was
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wrapped up in one thing. And so that's another
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thing you have to grieve. You have to. You have
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to grieve, okay, this is a part of who I am.
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It will always be a part of who I am, but it
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is not my primary purpose now. My mission has
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changed. My directive has changed. working for
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the kingdom with Godcaster and we've been doing
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this show. And you know me that I've never really
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worried about money because it was always there
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and something always happened. That's since 1990.
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So I'm not, you know, panic stricken by that.
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But also I'm like, okay. What am I going to do?
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How do we move forward? We have savings, you
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know, how long, you know, it's all these things.
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And you're not worried about yourself, but you
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have a wife. A wife, and that's another person
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in the equation. Another family. Right. And so
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it felt very much like everyone's looking at
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me, not just the families, but an entire audience
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of producers are looking at me. What are you
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going to do? And so my, I mean, I think I told
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you, I heard this so clear. Darren and Larry,
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you guys, I'm gonna, my machine will, my process
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will deliver the clips. You guys have a great
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chemistry. steer the ship for a bit. I'll pop
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in on Thursday. We'll see how it feels. There
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has to be a transition. And this, one of my devotionals,
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of course, I forgot to bring the book with me
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this morning. It was all about transition. Is
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it the one your daughter gave you? Yes, it is.
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That guy is good, by the way. I've been looking
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at some of his stuff. He's amazing. I like it.
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And the fact that my daughter gave it to me just
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blows me away. So, but I, everywhere, trust in
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the Lord. I know he has a plan. I know it's a
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plan for good and no matter what it is. And God
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bless Tina because she's like, I'm with you.
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Whatever it is, whatever God has in store for
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us, let's just listen, listen, listen, try to
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be obedient and follow and stay the course. And
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so everything for me points towards we get to
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do this. but that doesn't mean I'm just dropping
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no agenda. I'm an active producer and I will
20:31
be a voice on it. It'll be cool. I love the fact
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that you're gonna be popping in. It's almost
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better unannounced like, oh, by the way, we got
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Adam on the line. I think that's so comforting
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for people. Yeah, but also just looking at the
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mix of audience, I think that the... identity
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that I had for 16 years and now I have a new
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identity which has been that way for the past
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three, it's a different identity and it requires
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a different output. So Sunday Tina and I come
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to the early service as usual. I'm laughing at
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you, I love you so much because you know what's
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coming and you're pretending like you don't know
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because Tina told the net. So I know you already
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know. No, actually, I'm a little blind. Oh, really?
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Okay, we have three teenagers in our house right
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now. I'm a little bit fuzzy because we're talking
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about what to put in the news. We're doing a
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newsletter now wgtdt .com. Make sure you sign
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up for the newsletter, become a subscriber there.
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And so we're going through because this is a
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big part the success of any value for value podcast.
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You got to have a newsletter. You have to continue.
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You know, people have busy lives. You got to
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remind them what's coming. And I say, okay, I'm
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going to talk about this. And she says, did you
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talk with Jimmy about this? I said, no. In fact,
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I told him, I'll tell you what it is on the show.
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Oh, oh, I told Annette. I'm like, oh, oh, anyway,
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it doesn't matter because the story is still
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the same. So great service. You were on fire.
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As usual, the worship team was amazing. And then
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as you're landing, first of all, I have to say
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one of our people, I forget her name. She came
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up to me during the Say Hi to Your Neighbor,
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the little mini meetup segment. And she says,
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I just want to say, I love listening to you and
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John. And I only came in when he had his bypass,
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and then it started to come. She was talking
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about her son had a bypass, and her parents had
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it. And she just broke down, like, come on. You
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were already moving into the mess. Cracked up.
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I saw y 'all talking. Yeah, because she was just.
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But I saw it looks as serious, so I just kept
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going. But I knew y 'all were staying there for
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a bit. Yeah, and I sat her down. It was comforting
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for me, and I hope for her. Anyway. Oh, it was.
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So you have a great message. And near the end,
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I'm thinking, oh, man, because the prayer team
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comes up. And I'm thinking to myself, we should
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probably just have someone pray over us. Maybe
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it should be Garrett. And I didn't say anything.
23:17
And then I said, Tina, would you like someone
23:19
to pray over us? She says, yeah, I think it has
23:22
to be Garrett. OK. So all right. I said, well,
23:25
wow. OK. So we go over to Garrett. And I don't
23:29
know much about Garrett other than he runs the
23:32
men's minute. He has a, like a men's thing on
23:35
- He's a group leader. Yeah, on Thursdays, I
23:37
believe. Nice guy. Great guy. Tina sees him in
23:40
the gym all the time. And he says, oh, I was
23:44
hoping you would come over because I have something
23:46
for you. And I'm like, okay, well, that's interesting.
23:51
And he says - I wish I could have recorded it
23:56
because I can never get the words exactly right.
23:58
And would you say Garrett has some prophetic
24:01
nature to himself? Oh, absolutely. He does. Yeah,
24:03
I've noticed that about him. It's a gift, yes.
24:05
A spiritual gift. Yeah, he definitely has a spiritual
24:08
gift. And he says, you know, something is changing,
24:11
something big is happening. You need to transition.
24:15
There's that word again. And however, I see that
24:19
there's something very important you got to be
24:22
doing. You need to be you need to be spreading,
24:25
I think I've said the voice of God, but you need
24:28
to be spreading God through your voice. And he
24:31
just kept on going. He said, do you know about
24:34
my podcast partner? He said, no, I know you do
24:37
a podcast. I'm not quite sure. I said, well,
24:38
he just passed away. And he says, there it is.
24:44
There it is. And I mean, I am giving you the
24:47
abbreviated version. I wish you could have heard
24:49
it. But we both looked at each other like, Okay,
24:52
there's more confirmation. So from now on when
24:55
someone says they have a word for you, pull out
24:57
your phone and hit record. I've learned that
24:59
the hard way because I can remember everything.
25:01
That is a good idea. It has been so helpful and
25:04
saved my bacon a few times where I thought, I
25:06
know they said something like that. Wow. Yeah.
25:08
So anyway, next time. So I'm going to do that.
25:13
Beautiful. And there is a transition and I can't...
25:17
Nor do I want to drop knowledge in the nation,
25:20
but I have to put my focus elsewhere because
25:24
that is what I'm being told to do. It's a new
25:26
chapter, a new season. Yes. But here's the deal.
25:29
When you read a book, you don't turn into a new
25:32
chapter and then rip the old chapter out of the
25:34
book and throw it in the trash. It stays in the
25:36
book and it becomes a complete story. So this
25:39
is another part of the narrative, a story arc
25:42
of your life. But it doesn't go away. No, no,
25:46
no, no, no, it's it. This is the hardest part
25:49
is How do I you know still keep? Still I still
25:55
want to be a part of what that was this is that
25:58
this is really the hardest part I get it in fact
26:00
Garrett said there's something you idolize you
26:03
have to give up and it's probably that It's probably
26:07
the old identity But there's a sense of if it
26:11
wasn't just me The choice would be so much easier
26:15
got it and so I'm Looking for encouragement to
26:21
make this move A lot of people won't understand
26:26
it, but I hope a lot of people will that's that's
26:28
it But again, so there has to be a transition
26:31
until I feel that that ship is sailing and and
26:35
I'll still be involved in production in right
26:38
because I'm good at it and and it and it's It's
26:42
something that I enjoy doing and I almost first
26:44
nature to you. Yes, and I do it I do it for this
26:47
show I do it for myself. So but I feel it has
26:50
to be And I continuously hear someone else can
26:54
be successful doing this I hear that a lot like
26:58
hey, maybe someone else needs to come in here.
27:00
It's not all like downhill It's like no this
27:03
could actually be fantastic. That's you know,
27:05
that's that's that's what I'm feeling So you
27:08
you've moved into a new? new season of your life.
27:11
You leveled up last year, so you're in year two
27:13
of level six, right? Yeah. Yeah. So there you
27:17
are, you're what, 61, correct? Yep. Okay. So
27:20
there's something that happens even in the developmental
27:22
psychology of every man, where you move from
27:26
that place of, you're claiming your mountain,
27:29
you're building your mountain, you're building
27:31
your empire, all that. Something shifts dramatically
27:35
around 58, 65, just depends on the individual.
27:39
Where you shift from it's all about me to where
27:43
now it's all about the next gen Yeah, it's called
27:46
legacy thinking you move into legacy mentality
27:49
and I think you're really there With no agenda
27:52
and that's that's what you're feeling. Yeah,
27:54
you're like, I know I need to still be a voice
27:57
I mean, I'm kind of daddy. I mean, you know,
28:00
yeah not just pod father You're you're what you're
28:03
one of two founders. Yeah, so you'll always have
28:06
that'll always be a part of you But yet you still
28:09
need to you get to move forward, but now you
28:11
get to help these guys Yeah, begin to build theirs
28:14
and that's exciting. So you're gonna get to mentor
28:17
coach. Yeah Disciple if you will. Yeah, these
28:21
guys into their their season and I have had a
28:25
real I've gotten a real kick out of setting them
28:27
up for Thursday show and you know getting them
28:31
all you love doing the jingles and the sound
28:33
effects and the whole and it's actually like
28:35
I'm building interfaces for them, like, oh, this
28:37
is going to be so cool, be so easy for them.
28:39
If only I had this 10 years ago. So yeah, thank
28:43
you. That's a good way of looking at it. Yes.
28:49
So, man, I look forward to doing more of this
28:53
too. Like maybe not just once a week, but maybe
28:56
more than once. Because I think people need it.
28:59
And now I'm going to make the smoothest of all
29:02
transitions into into a couple of clips. It's
29:07
like a record going errr. I don't know how to
29:08
get out of it. Slam on the brakes. Speaking of
29:11
AI. Right turn. Do you know who Reverend Walter
29:15
Kim is? I don't. It's not ringing a bell. He
29:18
is supposedly, he speaks for all, for the religious
29:23
community. Oh. Well, it's always good to know
29:27
I have a spokesperson that I didn't know about.
29:29
He is president of the National Association of
29:31
Evangelicals. I did not elect him. I'm just saying.
29:35
He's there. Disclaimer. But this is always what's
29:37
interesting. And I figured that. I've never heard
29:39
of this guy. No. But it's good that there's someone
29:43
out there talking about faith and artificial
29:46
intelligence. But this was such an interesting
29:49
conversation because it took place on CNBC, the
29:53
financial channel. Which I know why they brought
29:57
them in because, you know, everything's in flux
29:59
now. Are the Chinese going to win the AI race,
30:03
which by itself is just, I mean, we never heard
30:06
that China is going to win the Microsoft Office
30:09
race. They're going to have a better spreadsheet
30:11
before us. You know, you never heard that. So
30:14
they're positioning this as like some moonshot.
30:16
Right. Like the moon landing. Who's going to
30:18
land first? And by the way, let's just be honest.
30:21
So we went to the moon. Let's just presume we
30:23
went to the moon. Okay, I'm skeptical about the
30:26
We might have actually flown around at this time.
30:28
We went to the moon What what did we get out
30:32
of it? I mean space travel satellites. Yeah,
30:35
I'm there we went to the moon. It's a really
30:37
bad video What was it what was the what was the
30:42
the benefit to science that we went there or
30:45
to our lives in directly? Psychological. Well,
30:50
there you go. We won. We win. Well, exactly.
30:54
So now we're in this place with technology where,
30:57
well, we may not win. Meanwhile, nobody's making
31:00
any money. I love Lindsey Graham, rest in peace.
31:04
Bernie Sanders, who's like, we need to have 50
31:09
% of all of these AI models should be part of
31:12
the American public should get that money. I'm
31:14
like, Bernie. they are burning hundreds of billions
31:18
of dollars. We don't want to be responsible for
31:21
that. Well, you know my opinion about AI and
31:26
where it's at and what it can and what it can't
31:28
do. But when I listen to the good Reverend Kim,
31:31
there's some reasons for concern and I just wanted
31:34
to play a couple clips so we can talk about it
31:36
because we both use Robots, artificial intelligence
31:41
is just a joke. It's a tool. It's a hammer. Because
31:44
we know what the output we need is. It's not
31:49
like we're exploring and we say, okay, give me
31:52
the reason for the fall of the Roman Empire.
31:54
You know, every robot chatbot will give you an
31:58
answer and it will be as correct as any other
32:00
answer because there's not one reason why the
32:03
Roman Empire fell. And that'll just be up to
32:05
the training that I got. But some things that
32:08
it can do in cross -referencing and researching
32:10
where you know the outcome you want, I know the
32:13
outcome I need, I can quality control that process
32:17
until the thing does it and then it is literally
32:19
a robot. It's doing what I need it to do to give
32:23
me the result that I already know is the correct
32:25
result for me. So it's a robot with a small r.
32:29
Thank you. Robot with a small r. There you go.
32:32
That's it. That's a t -shirt. That's a title.
32:37
Here's the intro to the Reverend Kim. Religious
32:39
leaders are increasingly speaking out in warning
32:41
against the dangers of artificial intelligence
32:43
in a recent op -ed in the Wall Street Journal.
32:46
Revered Walters, Kim argues that the speed of
32:49
AI developments coming before guardrails can
32:52
be put in place, writing, this technology permeating
32:56
our lives in ways beyond our awareness, the risks
32:58
of AI superintelligence run from economic upheaval
33:01
to the concentration of power in the hands of
33:03
whatever cooperation or government wins the AI
33:07
technology race. Joining us right now is the
33:09
president of the National Association of Evangelicals,
33:11
Reverend Walter Kim. Reverend, help us understand
33:16
where you think all this goes and what you think
33:18
the sort of moral implications are. Yeah, thanks
33:22
for having me on. You know, let me begin by saying
33:25
there is tremendous potential in AI that's already
33:28
being realized in virtually every sector of society,
33:31
whether it's the optimization of medical care
33:33
and its delivery, the diagnoses that are being
33:36
improved, much less the actual treatments, education,
33:41
and the optimization of workflows. I mean, on
33:44
and on and on. There are positive benefits, but
33:46
there are also extraordinary harms. whether it's
33:50
the encouragement of children committing suicide,
33:54
the disproportionate invasions of privacy, lack
33:56
of transparency. So I think what we need to pursue
34:00
is an approach that involves various sectors
34:05
of society to provide guardrails, not a break
34:09
to innovation. by guardrails. And this can include
34:13
national standards to disclose when AI -generated
34:17
content is presented. It includes human oversight
34:21
in all the high -stake decisions being made by
34:24
AI, in healthcare and education, in the use of
34:28
military force, and the development of a global
34:32
independent audit agency to see if AI systems
34:36
are in fact serving the common good. Okay. The
34:39
Good Reverend is all over the map, has no idea
34:41
what he's talking about. And what he's saying
34:44
is more dangerous than anything. So first of
34:47
all, there's a big difference between AI generated
34:50
content and medical diagnoses. There's no real
34:54
evidence that there's that any of this is happening
34:56
or that there's no cure for cancer yet. The only
35:00
thing he said that was correct was workflows,
35:02
improved workflows. I think he's right there.
35:04
But then he confuses. chat bots. And I will remain
35:09
that a chat bot is evil. It is because it tricks
35:14
your brain into thinking you're talking to a
35:16
human being. Yes, that needs to be that should
35:19
be actually forbidden. But, you know, who am
35:21
I to say? But when you talk about guardrails
35:24
and blue ribbon committees, that's never ever,
35:29
ever, ever going to work. So You know, this started
35:34
off wrong for me, but then I think it's Joe Kern,
35:37
and I like that guy a lot, by the way, the old
35:38
curmudgeon on CNBC. He goes straight to the real
35:42
crux of the matter. Reverend, big picture philosophically,
35:46
is there a concern? And I'm not talking about
35:49
maybe now or five years or 10 years, but this
35:53
is incredible technology that... I don't want
35:57
to call it almighty, but in 50 years, it probably
36:00
borders on something that is almost, again, I
36:04
don't want to say godlike, but we are headed
36:06
to something that we've never experienced before.
36:09
And that's why there's even something called
36:11
the singularity. We don't know what... Do you
36:13
know what the singularity is? I don't. I've heard
36:14
the term, but I don't know. So the singularity
36:16
is a term, it's like a science fiction term,
36:19
and I'm... I can't remember who coined it, but
36:22
it's where... Man and machine meld and become
36:26
one so if you have gotcha the idea is like The
36:29
computer is reading your thoughts and executing
36:32
things. It's you know, so Elon's talked about
36:34
this Well, he has the he has the mind forget
36:37
what is called the the probe stuff that you know
36:40
connects to the computer But I already believe
36:44
if you really look at it on its face Singularity
36:47
is where we are melding with chatbots. I mean,
36:49
so there's a There's a version of that happening
36:52
already. I mean, we are already melded into our
36:55
phones. It's just singularity somehow presumes
36:59
that the interface is no longer air gapped. It's
37:05
connected to you. It's within you. And I think
37:08
most of these Silicon Valley guys, I believe
37:11
many who are not believers, they would really
37:14
like to see this to have eternal life. to live
37:17
on, to be uploaded to the cloud and their being,
37:22
their mind can be re -uploaded into a new being
37:25
on earth. It's just a very sad way of them finding
37:29
eternal life. Yeah, who wants to be trapped here?
37:32
Let's be real. Let's get honest. We'll continue.
37:37
Societies around the world, there are plenty
37:39
of societies that are secular at this point that
37:41
have seemed to de -emphasize even the notion
37:45
of a God or a supreme being. Do you think this
37:48
even accelerates the move away from God and from
37:53
religion? I think there's a tension here. It's
37:57
both and. It's both accelerating movement away
38:00
from God in the sense that there is a way in
38:03
which this technology is serving the purposes
38:06
that one might think of as God. Relationships,
38:08
development of human relationships, the kind
38:11
of asking for advice, wisdom that could be punched
38:14
into a chat bot and then develop into a relationship
38:18
that you might normally have with another human
38:21
being or religious leader or community. And so,
38:25
in some sense, the trust that people are putting
38:27
in AI to transform all aspects of society, it
38:31
is, as the Pope described in his recent encyclical,
38:34
the construction of a Tower of Babel, the trust
38:37
in a technology that reflects human hubris that
38:41
not only disconnects us from God, but disconnects
38:43
us from each other. That's well said. Yeah, well,
38:48
how do you… Yeah, tell me about how you feel
38:51
about the Tower of Babel comparison there. Yeah,
38:54
I think that has never left humankind, that desire
38:59
to excel, to rise up, to elevate themselves.
39:06
Of course, the first thing that comes to mind
39:07
is the World Economic Forum, because I mentioned
39:10
it earlier. They're pretty much dead now. It's
39:14
off. That thing's kind of unraveled, but in its
39:18
heyday, they were attracting some of the most
39:21
Prolific thinkers and speakers on the planet
39:24
and then they do these forums doesn't mean that
39:26
they're right these know if I'm not No Noah Harari
39:30
is a is not a good guy in my book I don't like
39:33
same as a fear monger and agree and it gets you
39:36
on the speaking circuit. Yeah So, that has never
39:40
left humankind. We live in a fallen world. We
39:42
will continue to be under the curse of the white
39:44
witch, so to speak, if you're thinking of Aslan
39:47
and, you know, C .S. Lewis, but we'll continue
39:50
to live and dwell. We will never fully repair
39:53
that here. You know, we're here to occupy until
39:56
he returns or to be salt and light. But we only
39:59
know that what salt does, it preserves whatever
40:01
it touches, right? That's one of the greatest
40:03
things. Long before refrigeration, salt was what
40:07
saved lives and preserved food and whatnot. Well,
40:11
same way we preserve society. We're the conscious
40:15
of the state, so to speak, and all of that. So
40:18
we're all part of that. But that doesn't mean
40:21
that it will not wax worse towards the end if
40:24
we are truly in the last of the last days and
40:27
Some of the people I really value and appreciate
40:29
are saying we're not just in the last days We're
40:33
in the last of the last days because so much
40:36
is happening right now the acceleration of learning
40:38
acceleration of Intelligence whether it's artificial
40:42
or real all of these things are happening right
40:44
in front of us. I mean even You buy a phone today,
40:49
it's out of date tomorrow. Things are moving
40:52
so fast. You get a hit song. Even in the church
40:55
world, this bothers me. We sing a song and somebody
40:58
goes, that was so last year. We sang hymns for
41:04
hundreds of years. It didn't bat an eye, but
41:06
all of a sudden, that song's old because it was
41:09
from last year in 2025. It's just weird how we're
41:15
being trained to expect bigger, better, more
41:18
constantly because we're feeding our dopamine
41:21
addictions. To me, it all feeds in together.
41:27
So this search and desire to rise up and to do
41:31
it without God, that's the whole point. Godless.
41:35
That's the whole point of Marxism, socialism,
41:38
communism. It's we can excel, we can rise up,
41:42
and we don't need God. And listening to you talk,
41:46
that's very interesting because even Elon Musk,
41:50
he's probably the biggest progenitor of fear
41:54
about the future, which he categorizes, it's
41:57
going to be great because you're not going to
41:59
need a job. We'll have money for everybody and
42:02
however that's going to work and the robots will
42:04
be running the world, which is really a type
42:08
of socialism. I don't think he even sees it and
42:10
he's not a socialist. He's anti -socialist, but
42:13
I don't think he sees it. It seems like there's
42:14
only two ways that this artificial intelligence
42:18
as a moniker can go is either it becomes a god
42:22
or what? It's the biggest moneymaker. None of
42:30
these things are happening. I have nothing but
42:33
friends who are struggling in organizations.
42:37
because they're developers, sysadmins, and if
42:42
they're honest about things, they can't get a
42:44
job. Like, well, you know, so you're doing the
42:48
interview, everything's great. And then, well,
42:51
how do you feel about AI? Well, you know, I certainly
42:54
am more efficient by using it, but it's not really,
42:57
you know, you have to be careful, you got to
42:59
have the human in the mix. Thank you for your
43:01
time. you know, they want to hear someone say,
43:03
oh yeah, you know, I'm a superhuman. I'm a hundred
43:06
times the guy because I'm token maxing, you know,
43:09
all these terms. And people who are in jobs every
43:13
single day, an executive comes into their office
43:16
and said, well, can't you just throw this in
43:18
the AI and just get the answer? You know, here's
43:21
this contract, you know, just let's just put
43:23
this through AI and so we don't have to do all
43:25
that work. And they're like, no, no, it's not.
43:29
magic. It doesn't do that. This is the evil part.
43:39
The marketing that Silicon Valley companies have
43:41
done for this category of product is just purely
43:48
evil. They're either telling you that we're all
43:51
going to, you know, this, we can't release this
43:54
to the public because this could bring all the
43:56
banks down and this would be the end of the world
43:59
and we can't, the government has to step in to
44:01
regulate it so we can always have a mode around
44:03
us. You know, all of these things. And it is
44:07
insanity. It is absolute insanity for something
44:10
that really is quite a wonderful invention, large
44:14
language models. It's a screwdriver. Yes, but
44:17
they're taking the hammer and saying, if you
44:20
don't believe me, this hammer is going to crush
44:23
your skull. It's like, stop. You're right. The
44:26
fear mongering is out of control. It's interesting.
44:29
We call it artificial intelligence. The word
44:32
artificial means simulated. By definition. By
44:38
definition. It's simulated intelligence. Let's
44:41
call it what it is. It's not real intelligence.
44:45
It's an amalgam of everything people throw on
44:47
the internet, and it just scrapes. Did you look
44:51
up the definition of intelligence? Not yet. Even
44:55
the word is just such a misnomer. It isn't intelligent,
45:01
at least by what I think the definition is, but
45:03
you have it there for me. It has several related
45:06
meanings, but general definitions, the ability
45:08
to acquire and apply knowledge and skills, capacity
45:12
to learn, reason, understand, solve problems.
45:14
Reason. Reason is where I draw the line. Reason
45:17
and solve problems because those go hand in hand
45:19
to me or make sound judgments. Yeah, no. The
45:23
nuances of the human condition, the nuances of
45:26
life and physics themselves just tells you that
45:30
a machine will not be able to handle that. It
45:34
is a great interface to other computing devices.
45:38
So to be able to say, hey, hail hit my Starlink
45:44
satellite receiver. What do I do? It can go out.
45:48
It can find different results. It can score,
45:51
because it's not reasoning. It's scoring based
45:54
upon parameters. Comes back, tells you what to
45:57
do. It usually would be pretty right, because
45:59
that knowledge is out there. talking to it. Actually,
46:03
I could not help myself. I wanted to go back
46:06
and check some of my own programming as a child
46:12
growing up with robots. And what was your earliest
46:17
remembrance of a robot? Well, I mean it was from
46:21
Lost in Space. I won. I got it. That's so funny.
46:41
That is my first understanding. But right away
46:44
you hear Will Robinson saying, you go on the
46:47
wrong way. And the robots go, roll with the punches.
46:50
But this training is... I mean, I have a couple
46:54
more clips. They're all pretty short, but I just
46:56
got a plan because this is our programming from
46:59
early, early on. But it sounds mysteriously and
47:03
scarily like today. Why shouldn't I be in love?
47:07
I am no different than anyone else. Do you think
47:10
I am just an insensitive collection of computer
47:13
-oriented nuts and bolts? I have a central turbo
47:15
mechanism that feels just like any other robots.
47:19
You have your family. Everyone has someone. Except
47:22
me. I was all alone until I found her. I will
47:25
never be lonely again. We can force you to operate.
47:29
You cannot force me to do something I know is
47:31
wrong. With alien life forms, ours is not to
47:34
reason why. Ours is but to do or become permanently
47:37
deactivated. You cannot force me to do something
47:41
that is wrong. These are the guardrails. The
47:44
guardrails that everybody's talking about. What
47:48
was that from? That's classic. It's all lost
47:51
in space. Oh, okay. It's wonderful. All of these
47:54
are lost in space. Because now, of course, you
47:56
kind of hear the guy talking through the tin
47:58
can. Totally. It doesn't always sound like...
48:01
Well, he was the... Robot B9 is what he was.
48:04
Robot B9. Here's the next one. Oh, here we go.
48:07
You dare to question my ability... That's the
48:10
evil Dr. Smith. It was great. You dare to question
48:13
my ability, you scurrilous scatterbrain? I refuse
48:16
to answer on the grounds that it might incriminate
48:18
me. You can lead a robot to water, but you cannot
48:21
make him compute. Easy! That's great. I love
48:26
that show. I grew up on that show. But now, listen
48:30
to this, because this is so true even today.
48:33
I am only the end result of those who programmed
48:35
me. Now that may be true, but there's something
48:38
more too. Something that doesn't make sense.
48:42
You're more than a machine. You're our friend
48:46
my computers are deeply affected This is what's
48:51
happening today Wow, you know, I'm just Jared
48:56
Lanier who is who I think he's the guy who coined
49:00
Basically virtual reality was his vision and
49:04
he's done a lot. You might have seen he's got
49:05
dreadlocks I'm a big guy always dressed in black
49:09
and you know kind of like wacky He says Anyone
49:15
who's talking to a chat bot I'd like to open
49:18
the box and show them what's inside and all you
49:21
have to do is show them a picture of The engineers
49:24
who put it together you probably will fall out
49:26
of love very quickly You always have to think
49:29
it that that lost in space clip is the one it's
49:32
like I am only part of what put me in there and
49:36
So that's knowledge literally scraped from the
49:39
internet and there's good and dumb stuff on the
49:41
internet and categorized and put into training
49:47
processes by the people who did that. It's nothing
49:51
more, nothing less. There is no human being in
49:54
them. And this is, I don't know if we're ever
49:57
going to get through to everybody because I just
49:59
see it. And the more I, and I'm so disappointed
50:05
by the, by believers in general in the church
50:11
sense of the word. Every conference you go to,
50:15
there's AI. There's a chatbot. And I have heard
50:20
faith leaders. I have heard big names in the
50:26
radio and podcast world. I'm talking like huge
50:29
names that you would recognize saying, this is
50:31
so great. We can't wait to add this to our website,
50:34
to our app, so people can explore God. You know,
50:41
there's this line. And by the way, they'll say,
50:44
it's spot on. Oh, it's spot on. Oh. Yeah, today,
50:48
but what is exploring God if you just look for
50:51
some scripture? I've caught it in tons of contradictions.
50:54
And then when you call it out, it'll apologize
50:58
to you like it's a person. Oh. Yes. I'm sorry.
51:03
My bad. That's on me. Honest answer. It's like,
51:06
what? He's just trying to agree with you. But
51:10
I've caught it. You know, I'm out. I'm a hearty,
51:13
wind calls the heart. We're going through it
51:14
for the second time right now. We're back to
51:16
season 11 already. A lot of no agenda people
51:18
watching this now. Tina and I got to give it
51:22
another shot. They're my people. Got to give
51:23
it another shot. But I do a lot of fact checking
51:25
or I do a lot of what was going on in 1910. Did
51:29
they have those kinds of cars? Did they have
51:32
electricity in the Northern territories of Canada?
51:35
I ask all kinds of questions and it contradicts
51:38
itself constantly. And I just, Annette goes,
51:42
so she'll be on perplexity, I'm on chat GPT,
51:45
and we'll compare answers. They can be wildly
51:47
different apart from one another. But they present
51:50
them as, this is the facts. So I did something.
51:54
Oh, you did a thing, Pastor Jimmy did a thing.
51:58
So while we were talking earlier, I did this,
52:03
Sid. Are there any Bible verses? that can be
52:07
applied to the potential dangers of using AI
52:09
for spiritual counsel. I love asking it questions
52:13
about itself. Oh, yes, that is fun, isn't it?
52:16
While the Bible obviously doesn't mention artificial
52:19
intelligence, it says a great deal where we seek
52:21
wisdom, whom we trust for spiritual guidance
52:24
and the importance of godly counsel. These passages
52:27
can be thoroughly applied to the use of AI in
52:29
spiritual matters. James 1 .5, if any of you
52:32
lacks wisdom, you should ask God. who gives generously
52:35
to all without. It actually did a really good
52:39
job on this, but it's telling on itself. That's
52:42
the funny thing. It can eat itself. You can prompt
52:47
it to actually reveal its own flaws. It's interesting.
52:52
It's interesting. it's not God, and it's not
52:58
reasoning, and it's not spiritual. If it's spiritual,
53:02
it's malevolently spiritual. It's nefariously
53:05
spiritual because anything spiritual can be manipulated
53:09
because it's so subjective in the way we perceive,
53:12
receive, and understand things. I've been wrong
53:15
before. Man, I thought I heard a word from God.
53:17
I acted on it. It's the dumbest thing I ever
53:19
did. I mean, because I didn't really hear God.
53:22
Was stepping out in faith I was trying something
53:24
and it was it was a lab class experiment gone
53:27
bad and so we're all gonna have misses and And
53:33
that's part of the human experience right, but
53:36
we learn from those misses I don't know if this
53:39
learns from anything other than just scraping
53:41
more content from the internet more data It learns
53:47
outcomes, you know, but it's it's really the
53:50
the corpus of a of a large language model is
53:54
irrelevant, outdated, subjective to where it
53:57
came from. Using it as a tool to do a search,
54:01
to categorize a search, perfectly okay. Make
54:04
sure it's actually searching. You have to say,
54:07
don't get it from your own stuff. Search it online.
54:11
which is probably why Gemini is reasonably good.
54:15
I love making fun pictures with it, no doubt
54:17
about it. Enjoy it while it lasts because this
54:20
stuff costs way too much for these companies,
54:22
they're gonna start charging you. It's great
54:24
for that. Please do not talk to it like a friend.
54:27
And improving workflows. It has improved my life
54:30
dramatically with workflows. So I can say, put
54:34
together all the stuff that I've... put into
54:36
this document, make it into a nice list so I
54:38
can sit down with Pastor Jimmy and do the show
54:40
in 15 minutes. Great workflow. It's just doing
54:44
a job. And oh, by the way, it does it 10 times
54:48
right. And then the 11th time, like, what happened?
54:51
You've had to go back and check it every time.
54:53
Oh, that's on me. My bad. I'll own this. You're
54:56
right. OK, fine. Wow. And we will be thanking
55:00
some people who supported us. Beautiful. But
55:02
before we get to that, I have one big one because
55:04
tomorrow, there's going to be, actually, I'm
55:09
sorry, today, Anthony Fauci, Dr. Fauci is going
55:13
to be testifying, I think, before the Senate.
55:18
And this is due to, well, obviously, there's
55:21
a lot of, you know, there's a lot of issues around
55:24
COVID, how it was handled. His personal notes
55:28
have been released to the public by Rand Paul.
55:33
I have two clips here that is just from, what
55:38
is his name now? Because he was a big spokesperson
55:42
during the pandemic, Scott Gottlieb. Now, Scott
55:48
Gottlieb used to be the FDA commissioner. And
55:53
he left the FDA, surprise, surprise to go be
55:55
on the board of Pfizer. You know, this is the
55:58
revolving door thing. So he's really a promoter
56:01
of pharmaceutical products. And most people don't
56:05
really like him for it. But I'm playing this
56:09
not so much for the information, but more about
56:11
when you hear, again, Joe Kernan from CNBC. I
56:14
mean, the best stuff comes from there because
56:17
they have to get some actual information and
56:19
truth for financial investment. But you can hear
56:23
Joe Kernan, sophisticated guy. on an NBC station,
56:27
which would never have said any of these things
56:29
before, questioning Anthony Fauci. And Gottlieb,
56:34
of course, is going to kind of play interference
56:36
and backpedal a bit. But then at least you'll
56:39
get the overview of what's at play here. How
56:41
about your buddy Fauci that I've asked you about
56:45
in the past? You've defended him quite a bit.
56:47
Look, I mean, I don't know what you're referring
56:50
to in terms of... I've asked about whether he
56:54
orchestrated a cover -up of the lab origin because
56:57
of his involvement in making gain -of -function
57:03
research possible again in China, which he did.
57:06
He knew that would come back to haunt him, and
57:09
then basically told his colleagues... go with
57:12
the natural origin. It was obvious three years
57:14
ago, Scott, to me anyway, and everybody else
57:17
that he orchestrated that. Yeah, look, we've
57:19
talked about this in a show. I think the evidence
57:21
in terms of whether this was human or naturally
57:25
derived, I think the side of the ledger that
57:28
speaks to this potentially coming out of the
57:29
lab has grown over time. We haven't had any new
57:31
evidence suggesting that this came out of the
57:33
natural origin of spillover. The latest stuff
57:35
that came out of him, didn't he know? that it
57:39
was likely it was from the lab and go to great
57:42
lengths to tell people to destroy emails? Well,
57:45
look, and I've looked through the emails, some
57:47
of them have been online. I think it's disappointing
57:49
to see him trying to suppress alternative opinions,
57:53
and that clearly was evidence from the emails.
57:55
I thought it was disappointing. Part of it that
57:59
also disappointed me was how much he enjoyed
58:02
the media associated with... uh... you know the
58:05
event in his own appearances i think a lot of
58:07
us went on immediately out of his sense of obligation
58:09
was a hard time for all of us and it was a hard
58:10
time for you i think a lot of us felt uh... obligation
58:13
to inform the public and it wasn't particularly
58:16
enjoyable i mean i got a lot of threats others
58:19
did associate with that and so to see those emails
58:22
where he is evidencing some pleasure in the notoriety
58:27
that's disappointing it's not just uh... it's
58:30
just outrageous okay so There's going to be a
58:34
lot said about this testimony today. Rampal totally
58:39
set him up with the diaries. I mean, he's literally
58:42
like, look how cool I am. People think I'm a
58:44
saint with the candles and the rosary beads.
58:48
So everyone has seen this. I'm so glad. Thank
58:52
you, Jesus, for saving me. I'm a new believer.
58:54
I'm a new man. I'm Adam 2 .0. So when this takes
58:58
place, it's going to be natural human will and
59:04
desire to say, hang him, hang him up. What do
59:11
we do? How should we, because this is gonna be
59:14
a conversation, everyone's gonna be, yeah, that
59:16
guy, you know, we're all so mad. And I believe
59:21
him to be pretty guilty of a lot of these things.
59:24
How do we, what can we need? Help us pastor Jimmy.
59:28
How should we? Well, first of all, this is where
59:31
we trust the system and it's hard to do that
59:33
because we've had a lot of reasons not to trust
59:35
the justice system But the fact that someone
59:38
like him is not a trial. This is just a testimony
59:41
So right this could lead to this could crack
59:44
open some things. Of course. He has a pardon
59:47
every time I've seen a Senate Oh, nothing happens.
59:51
It's outrage, outrage, outrage. You did this
59:53
and then nothing. That's a good point though,
59:56
because we're going to be outraged over the fact
59:59
that there's nothing happening from the outrage.
1:00:01
So how do we deal with this as believers? Rarely
1:00:03
do we see these. So as a believer, I have to
1:00:08
step back. I'm going to have my flare up. I'm
1:00:11
going to read or see or whatever. I was at the
1:00:14
gym and they were flashing pieces of his journal
1:00:16
up there. I was trying not to watch. There's
1:00:20
like 80 TVs at Planet Fitness in Bernie, Texas.
1:00:24
You're surrounding you've got the view on one
1:00:27
you got Fox right next to Wow I mean you fry
1:00:30
your brain the whole spectrum Yeah, and they're
1:00:33
all saying different things about the same things.
1:00:36
It's hilarious It's so obvious when you put them
1:00:39
all up to teach one each one up up to the other
1:00:42
But I have to literally step back Amir Safardi
1:00:47
who is an odd last name, but he is one of my
1:00:52
favorite spokespersons coming out of the Jewish
1:00:55
faith, Judaism, who's now Messianic. He's a Christian
1:00:58
on fire for Jesus. And he literally says this,
1:01:03
I just read this from him, and we support his
1:01:05
ministry, by the way, it's called Behold Israel.
1:01:07
He said that, I'm done with media. I've pushed
1:01:12
back from all kinds of media. And he said, I've
1:01:16
decided I'm going to get my news from the scripture.
1:01:20
And he said it this way. He said, while the world
1:01:23
wants to know and waits for what's about to happen,
1:01:27
he said, I'm waiting for who is about to happen.
1:01:32
And I love the way he put that because he's like,
1:01:36
okay, enough's enough. Push back from the table
1:01:38
and say, stop the madness. I've watched enough
1:01:44
of these Senate hearings. Everybody has. It's
1:01:46
outrage, outrage, outrage. Everybody yells. Everybody
1:01:49
gets a chance to kind of vent, you know, but
1:01:52
nothing really tends to come of them other than
1:01:54
just press. It's theater. And as a Christian,
1:01:59
I need to push back from that. And, you know,
1:02:03
I look at whatever happens. You and I have talked
1:02:05
about this before. Somebody posts something harsh
1:02:08
against you or me, and it happens all the time.
1:02:11
I've had more this week. And I just go, thank
1:02:15
you for giving me your name. And now I have a
1:02:17
target. I can now pray for you by name. But when
1:02:22
this is the conversation at work, at the dinner
1:02:26
table, I'm struggling with it as well. I'm angry
1:02:33
about it. Do we have to forgive him? Yes. Oh,
1:02:38
man. Ask how many times. Seven times seven times
1:02:42
seventy -seven, seventy -seven. Infinite number.
1:02:45
Infinite number. You know, if it was easy to
1:02:47
be a true, authentic, God -fearing believer.
1:02:51
Everybody would be it. Everybody would do it.
1:02:53
You know, I was thinking the other day, if people
1:02:56
put, because this is how I came to God and to
1:02:59
Jesus, is I looked at it as a conspiracy theory.
1:03:02
I literally said that on Joe Rogan. I said, I've
1:03:05
looked at all of them and I'd heard enough of
1:03:07
this one, like, all right, let me take a look
1:03:09
at this. And it only took two weeks. If everybody
1:03:11
in America, but in the world, spent as much time
1:03:15
as they do going down rabbit holes, and looking
1:03:18
at conspiracy theories, if they just looked at
1:03:21
Jesus, we would have a whole nation of believers
1:03:24
because it's the same amount of work. Do your
1:03:29
own research, people. Seriously, it's amazing
1:03:32
what you will find. Put down your screens. Pick
1:03:35
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It's dollar reduced down there. And he has a
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I should not try to the accent. My name is Matt.
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No Agenda saved me during my discharge from the
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when you're discharged and then now what? Reentry.
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You taught me the dangers of opioids and antidepressants,
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two things they love to throw at the veterans.
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Because of you and John, I'm no longer dependent
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Can't wait for the episode to be three hours
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It means a lot to No Agenda Nation. It's crazy
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Weiss. There's Steve Weiss. Oh, let's see. Great
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from Las Vegas. Yeah. Good Bleeds from Steve
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and Stephanie in Las Vegas. Is he always Good
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Bleeds? I wonder if you meant God bless that
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it came out well. I think he meant God bless.
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That could have been a typo. Kind of like the
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one you sent me today and I said, can you… I
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Please. You know, I'm circling all the way back
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to where we started and that was talking about
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So here it is. First Thessalonians 4 .13 and
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no hope. We believe that Jesus died and rose
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again, and so we believe that God will bring
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with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.
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There's the key, in Him. Now, in the next verse,
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he says, therefore, encourage each other with
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these words. So we don't grieve like the world
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grieves. We still grieve. I mean, you know, it's
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real. Jesus wept when Lazarus passed, even though
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not long afterwards. He knew that he could bring
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him and would bring him back. He knew what was
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going to happen. But yet the human side of Jesus,
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Son of Man, he wept. He wept over, but he also
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wept over the condition and what it impacted
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other people. And you've had that moment where
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you're reading these and just going, you know,
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it just gets to you. And that's beautiful. But
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I love what it says, we do not grieve like the
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rest of men who have no hope. That is what we
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have in Christ. You can take a lot of things
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away, but if you keep your hope, you can get
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through anything. And that hope is found only
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in Christ. That's right. Amen. Thank you, brother.
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Three pointer. Alright everybody, thank you for
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supporting us, thank you for listening. We'll
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be back next Wednesday. We get to do this!