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Peaky Blinders · The Art of Costume Podcast

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Hello and welcome to the Art of Costume podcast.
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I'm Elizabeth Joy Glass. And I'm Spencer Williams Shelby.
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I would have married into the family.
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I went out there with the, you know.
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You would have been like the cute, nice boy Ada.
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Like filmed. Yeah, like it should.
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Be like what I was thinking should.
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Be like you'd be a good step dad.
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And everyone in the Shelby family would have hated me,
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yeah. No, no, no.
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They'd all really like you, but they'd be like, we can't tell
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him anything. We can't.
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He's a gossiper. Hey costume nerds, I'm so
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excited to be here rounding out our mobster March with a real
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interesting show. Yes, a excellent TV show I have
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been telling Spencer to watch for years.
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Yeah, and he wouldn't till just now.
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Yeah. And Elizabeth does not fully
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know my thoughts. But before we get into that, we
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actually have to start off with a special announcement.
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Yeah. I am so excited to announce that
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on Friday, March 28th, I'm going to be moderating a panel at
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Wondercon. This is coming out, I believe on
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Tuesday, so it's a couple days from this point, so you still
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have time to still get your passes.
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The panel's going to be called Threads of Fantasy Fright and
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High Stakes Action Friday, March 28th at 3:30, and I'm going to
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be interviewing so many cool costume designers.
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Jennifer Bryan from The Acolyte, Marie Schlee from Yellow
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Jackets, Cynthia Summers from The Last of Us Season 1, Annie
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Lopert from The Fall Guy, and of course, Christine WADA from
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Loki. Yes.
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I'm so excited for you. Giving such a good time.
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I'm very excited. I love all these women and I
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hope you'll all come out and see me talk costumes.
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I've never been to Wondercon before, so I don't really know
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what to expect. But I mean, you know, it'll be a
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good time and I'm just excited to be in this room with all
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these incredible costume designers.
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So come out and see me. Elizabeth, Are you ready to get
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to our order of business? I am Spencer.
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What did you watch for the very first time this week, Stop it.
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You watched Peaky Blinders, you know.
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I like, I wondered if you were gonna do something, but I was
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like you, you usually, like, let on that you're gonna do
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something. And you really, really kept this
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under your hat. Literally.
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Literally, I got this cool hat 'cause I want to be Thomas
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Shelby. Good news and bad news.
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Good news. My head is not a size large or
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extra large. Bad news is the hat doesn't fit.
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So that's unfortunate, I know. So the bit's kind of dead, but.
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But like it's, you can hide your identity real well with it.
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And your razor blades. By the way, yeah.
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Which you're set. You're set, Spencer, actually,
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so I'm not going to wear it, sadly, but it would have been.
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I'll just leave it right there. Yeah, There you go.
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Our mascot for this episode. Yeah, well, let's get the Peaky
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Blinders. Elizabeth, I'm so glad you got
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me to watch this. I am obsessed with the show.
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I told you had such a good time. I binged all six seasons this
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week, so I haven't really left the house much.
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Elizabeth actually got me out of the house this morning to go to
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breakfast. I've only been leaving to get
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like substance and. I had to yell at him through a
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window yesterday. Yeah, like, hey, but it was so
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worth it. And I'm just, you know, I've
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heard everyone talk about how great the show is before, but
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just some reason never got around to it.
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And God, it was so good. And I'm so glad to know that
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there's going to be a movie being made, too.
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I know it's very exciting. But we'll get into that.
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Just to know that I get to be a part of it, you know?
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I know. They're like I've hopped on
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board at the right time. I'm going to act like I've been
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a day oneer when this movie comes out.
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They're. Like oh, I've been here since
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season 1 episode 1. Absolutely.
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Well, there's obviously a lot to cover with six seasons, so we'll
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just jump right into it with a summary.
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This series was, of course, created by Steven Knight in
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Birmingham, England. Thomas Shelby strives to turn
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his family's business legitimate, but he has to
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contend with his tight but dysfunctional family, the
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criminal enterprises that made him a rich man, and a woman he
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falls in love with, and that is Peaky Blinders.
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That must be a season 1 description because that's.
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I mean, that's kind of what he does the whole time.
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Yeah, I mean, we'll get into it, but he has a love interest every
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other episode. But that's what I mean.
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He's usually got like a main love interest and like a side
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girl. Side girls.
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Side girls. Yeah.
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Yeah, take it away. But let's meet our costume
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designers. So over the six seasons of Peaky
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Blinders, there have been 4 costume designers.
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Season 1 we have Stephanie Coley.
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Season 2 we have Lorna Marie Muggin.
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Season 3 we have Alexandra Caulfield and for seasons 4
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through 6 Allison Mccosh. Now, when it comes to Peaky
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Blinders, Steven Knight had a very specific vision for the
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show that he shared with fastcompany.com, saying from the
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beginning, we were looking to do a period piece that wasn't like
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any other period piece that had been done before.
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Americans have No Fear of mythologizing their own history.
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19th century agricultural laborers became Cowboys, and
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England were almost embarrassed by that kind of thing.
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But I wanted Peaky Blinders to have the same kind of boldness
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you see in American Westerns, which I'm like, Oh my gosh,
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That's it. Yeah, 'cause like, it's so Peaky
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Blinders is so wild and it has so much just energy.
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Yeah. For something that's actually
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quite depressing at times, I'm just like, what?
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Like it's familiar, but so distinctive.
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And I'm like, Oh yeah, it's like a Western.
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Yeah, it's like a western. It almost feels like superhero
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esque at times. I mean, Thomas Shelby literally
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is like the immortal man. All of them are.
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I mean, I was hooked on the show the second the theme song by
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Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds came on because.
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I love that song. I mean.
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That's on my goth playlist. I've been listening to that
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forever. So as soon as that song started,
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I was like, oh, I'm hooked. Yeah.
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Episode 1. Oh man, such a good show.
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I think we should take a little break, get our head together.
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We have a lot to cover. Yeah, we'll dive into Season 1
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in just a moment. Hi, I'm Dan who does all the
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All right, Elizabeth, you've prepared prepared a lot of
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behind the costume facts for us this week.
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So I ready. I am.
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I am ready to dive in with Season 1 designed by Stephanie
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Cauley, who we unfortunately lost last year, but she has left
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behind a wonderful body of work. You will know her work from
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London Has Fallen and its sequel Angel Has Fallen, 2019's Hellboy
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and the first season of My Lady Jane.
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She I've put so much work into this first season that just
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really carries the look of the show all the way through.
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She spoke to Clothes On Film about the research process for
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Peaky Blinders, saying the real Peaky Blinders were almost 20
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years earlier. But because we went 20 years
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later, I researched lots and lots of photos.
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Getty Images have a great archive, very useful.
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There were there was also a book we loved called Crooks Like Us
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by Peter Doyle, which mainly focused on Australian convicts.
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That's actually where we got the haircuts from.
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And looking at some of these photos from the book, I'm like,
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Oh yeah, these are the Peaky Blinder like mug shots.
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Yeah, totally looks just like them.
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I gotta admit I actually was trying to get my haircut on
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Thursday and Friday just to get my undercut back because I've
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never won it so badly after watching.
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A couple of the times I've seen you with like a fresh haircut,
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I've thought like Spencer. Spencer looks like a Peaky
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Blinder. Thank you.
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But I never said anything because, well, you hadn't
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watched it. My girl Shelly at Supercuts just
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know I'm coming because I'm ready to just shave this back
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off. Because every time Arthur or
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Tommy, like all tussled, you know, it's like, oh, but yeah,
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they look, they look great. And that's challenging too.
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When the real Peaky Blinders this, you know, this show has a
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lot of content that's based in history.
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It's not, it's definitely a fiction that there's elements to
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it, but like having to recreate this, you know, some of these
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people, but 20 years later, that's kind of a tough challenge
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to wrap your brain it. Is it is?
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But she wasn't like super concerned about historical
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accuracy, which I really appreciated.
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And she talked about a little bit saying at the end of the
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day, you want it to be entertaining.
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I mean, I would never want to use anything that's historically
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wrong, but we heighten things to make them more relatable, which
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I feel like that's something Peaky Blinders does very well
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across the board is make everything very relatable.
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And especially 'cause it starts in 1919, which is like a year of
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change. It's like we don't have like the
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1920s flapper style, like Full Force, but it's starting to come
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into fashion. You still kind of have like that
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Edwardian look, like petering out.
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But where this show goes so strong are the Shelby boys.
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Yeah. Oh man, they kill it.
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They kill it. And her conversation with
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clothes on film, Stephanie said of the Peaky Blinder signature
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look. It's all about wearing a good
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suit with confidence and not being afraid to be individual to
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add little touches. For the Peaky Blinders, the
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clothes were about them showing their worth.
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They would go without to have that fantastic suit because for
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them it was all about status. It shows where they stand in
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their neighborhood. Yeah, man, that's good stuff.
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I mean, I it's true, though. There was individuality to each
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of their costumes. I mean, they all had their
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little trinkets, a little watches, a little.
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I was obsessed with actually like all of just like the little
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jewelry pieces you would see on their vests and whatnot.
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And you always say this, but you always say that you wish people
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dressed up. More I do.
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I'm I'm down for this. Yeah, this is what I'm talking
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about. Oh, one thing I want to bring up
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too Thomas Shelby's collars that he was doing phenomenal, right.
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I mean, I think it's maybe it's like a stand up Mandarin collar
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and some of the times. Some of them it's, well, this is
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in history, the time where collars detached.
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So a lot of times he simply does not have a collar attached to
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his shirt. Gotcha.
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But we'll, we'll talk a little. Bit about Tommy's collars in a
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bit. Oh, OK.
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But one thing that really comes through that she talked about
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for for the boys wardrobe was for her the best thing was how
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much the boys loved their clothes.
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And I think you get a feel of that by the way they walk.
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They have a swagger about them. Yeah, totally.
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Which, yeah, like the way they move in these costumes is so
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ingrained in the show. If she hadn't gotten it right,
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they would have different performances I think.
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Right. And just think about like all
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the time these costumes got, I mean, basically every other
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episode there would be a moment with them walking through, you
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know, the, the town that they that the Peaky Blinders have
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ownership of, just like long walks, you know, through the
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street with them in slow motion showing off their costumes,
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which are always my favorite poses.
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Of wind having the overcoach just blow.
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And then like that one auto factory just blowing up fire
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behind them all the time. Occasionally, like Polly would
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be there Ada too, just like I mean, it's so cool they're.
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Like we own this town. Yeah, and the costumes really
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got their showcase because of it, because they they're the
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perfect models, every single one of them.
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Oh yeah, absolutely. They're also the perfect model
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for the Peaky Blinders signature hat, which Steven Knight talked
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to the Fast Company about a little bit.
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And this was something I didn't know till this week because they
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never explain it in the show how the Peaky Blinders got their
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name right and it's from the razors in their hats blinding
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people. And I was like, this makes
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sense. I got that about like three
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seasons and I was like, I mean, it's pretty obvious, but.
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Yeah, actually, because like I like we're over here on the West
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Coast of America. Like, I don't know about the
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Peaky Blinders in England 100 years ago.
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And you? Could fit a lot of razor blades
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in this bad boy. Could.
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And then that's when he has like a little.
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Clip Yeah, you could put some spares in.
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There you could put like 5-6 razors in this.
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Yeah, man. Steven Knight talked about it to
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Fast Company, saying they had more effective weapons like guns
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and knives. But just the fact that they had
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razor blades as part of these crowns that they wore, it was
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like a uniform to scare people. And I'm like, it is their crown.
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They go. I have a thing about anything
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sharp, you know, knives, razor blades, exacto knives.
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Just seeing them, I always feel like squeamish.
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So if someone walked into my bar with a hat and I saw five razor
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blades poking out, I'd be like. To take whatever you want, yeah.
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Go for it. Well, talking about scary men,
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we have the wonderful Killian Murphy as Thomas Shelby.
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Man, what a man. You know that's Dan's man crush.
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I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised.
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We're yeah, he's a beautiful man.
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And he's so Daniel, if you're listening, which I hope you are
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because you're editing this, you got to watch the show because
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it's just six seasons of good stuff.
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Yeah, I'd be shocked if Daniel hasn't already watched this.
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He will be after this. Yeah, you will.
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Yeah, you will. But Stephanie talked about
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Thomas Shelby's look, saying for Season 1, Killian has literally
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only got one or two suits throughout.
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But hopefully you don't notice that because you're so engrossed
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in the story. Normally, of course, a man would
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have always worn a tie with a stiff collar, but we thought
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with Killian that wouldn't do to keep everything sort of pared
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down. Plus, he's got that beautiful
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face. What else do you need?
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His eyes are piercing. I know.
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I mean, you would almost think he's wearing contacts at times
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because they're just so like they look right into your soul
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in this. Show and I really love his look
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in this first season because yeah, like it's he's very
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polished, very polished, very put together, but still simple
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'cause he's still kind of like rough and tumble, like has to
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like fight people on the regular.
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Yeah, compared to like Season 1 to Season 6, you definitely see
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the evolution of Thomas, but you still see he's definitely more
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put together compared to like his other brothers.
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Yes. He also, like isn't afraid to
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like, incorporate a pinstripe, which to me says a little bit
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more like, oh, this is the boss. Yeah.
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You know, which even though it's not very clear that he's the
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boss in this first season, it's still.
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It could be Arthur, but everyone kind of knows this Tommy.
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So yeah, I think the costuming for Tommy is very subtle.
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It says that he, you know, takes this maybe a lot more seriously
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than other people and have like a more distinct vision for the
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future compared to a, say, Arthur, who's just kind of like,
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in love with the game of it. You know, they all look great,
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but you could see that Tommy is like, the guy's going to sit
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down and do the accounting at them today.
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Yeah, he's he's taking a look at the books.
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So season 1 of a show, they didn't have a huge budget so a
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lot of the stuff was rented or purchased, except for Killian.
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Suits were all made by Taylor Keith Watson who she was using
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for years. He started off on Savile Row in
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the 60s. So he is a master tailor, knew
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what he was doing and it showed. I'm like Stephanie, you knew
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where to put your money. Yeah, he knew a little something
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about this. I mean, he knew what he was
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doing. Oh man.
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And getting into who I would say the other main character, Aunt
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Polly. Man.
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You were not interested in watching this show till I said
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Helen McCrory. When Elizabeth said Helen
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McCrory is in this, it was in me.
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Like, OK, I have to watch this. Everyone else, I mean, she's
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like probably one of my favorite actresses.
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I would say maybe like #2 I to me, she's my favorite character
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obviously, and I think she's the heart of the show and we'll get
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into it probably a little later. But she also her costumes
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phenomenal. Phenomenal and Stephanie talked
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about it to close on film, saying we wanted to slightly
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manage quality to her. She was the 11 running
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everything when the boys were at war.
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She's been usurped really. I suppose her look is from
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slightly earlier. Edwardian with this period,
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everyone's not suddenly oh it's all 20s, let's suddenly be
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flappers. I love dressing Helen.
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She loves fashion and loves clothes so so was really
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interested in everything. She has a Navy pinstripe suit
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that was another recreation from an original.
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Yeah, I mean, she dresses like the boss all the time.
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She goes from like like she's like they mentioned some
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slightly mannish, so to say looks.
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And then there's somewhere you're just like, oh, she could
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be like the boss of this family. She actually one of my favorite
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costumes in the entire series is Season 1, episode 6 when she's
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talking to Grace and basically was like, you need to piss all
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the way off and never be in my presence ever again.
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And she sits down with her cigarette and that suit and
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you're like, like, like Aunt Polly does not mess around.
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And I would have moved to America immediately saying
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because I don't want Polly Gray after.
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Me, especially when she's like, the only reason I haven't shot
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you yet is because you did actually save his life.
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Yeah, yeah, pretty much. I mean, so scary.
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Her costumes are on point from beginning to end, I might add.
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And I love Polly's the one character you really see that
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Edwardian to 20s like shift 'cause I mean, she's an older
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woman. And back then it was much more
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common for women to like keep the clothes of their youth a
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little bit longer and like keep to that style.
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But you can kind of see her transition, like in the
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especially like in her coats. Yeah, she's like, I like the
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Polly. Gray has a couple coats or two
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of them, yeah. There are good coats in this
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show, but then on the other side of things, we have a grace.
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No grace. Who she's also especially like
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in her like, barmaid outfits, a little bit more Edwardian, but
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she's young. She's like stepping into that
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flapper style. And Stephanie talked about how
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much they recreated for Grace's character.
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She said we made a lot of stuff for the women, Annabelle Wallace
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especially. I think it's better to have
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something original to recreate rather than trying to design
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your own 20s outfit. I would always use original
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designs when I can. The red dress the animal wears
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at the races was also a copy of an original dress.
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It was actually blue, but we knew we wanted red for that
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scene. She was the scarlet woman.
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That's. Good, right.
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I didn't even think of that. I mean, I there was times where
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I was like, Tommy, come on, like she's so clearly like ulterior,
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like alternative motives that they do fall in love, which
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again, saw that coming from a. Mile away or her.
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I would too, I mean. This whole thing was so obvious,
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but he was so shook if when he found out.
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And I was like, she is a fashion model who walked off the streets
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and was like, can I be a bar maid?
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Yeah. And listening on all your
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conversations, it was like, well.
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That's like one of the things I think is interesting about this
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show, cause Tommy's very much like, oh, we're a modern
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enterprise. Like women have a say.
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Yeah. But he still shows all those
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like ingrained patterns of like prejudice towards women, which
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one would be not thinking this beautiful woman has any anything
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bad to do to him or any alternative motives.
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Like there was nothing in his mind that said wow, this really
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educated woman might might be up he.
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Immediately thinks like oh you're a rich girl who got
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knocked up and like your family like cast you out.
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But yeah, I mean, Amber Wallace is great and I'm so glad that
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they kept her storyline kind of going throughout the series.
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They didn't just end it, you know, with Season 1, because
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they totally could have. Moving on to season 2, we have
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Lana Marie Mugen who you will know from the 2012 miniseries
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Treasure Island, for which she got an Emmy nomination, Ripper
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St. seasons one and two for which she got a BAFTA
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nomination, Normal People and Chapel Weight.
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Unfortunately, she didn't really do when you press for Peaky
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Blinders or none that I could find.
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But her work is gorgeous and really follows what Stephanie
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was doing. But bringing it more into the
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1920s because it's two years later, it's it's 1921.
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And so we have a lot more of like that flapper influence,
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especially for the women. Yeah, major credit to all four
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costume designers. That's so hard to do a show like
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this with four different costume designers.
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But between the four of them, they were all able to keep this
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very cohesive vision that, like, very accurately showed the
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movement time. There was never a season where I
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was like, oh, like, you know, what happened here?
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Like, it all just, like, moved seamlessly.
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And Season 2, you know, you're talking about a little bit about
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how it's not quite like, flappers, The Great Gatsby
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vision. Yeah.
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Season 2, you kind of start to see it creep in, especially I
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think Polly Gray is kind of the cursor in that because you start
25:20
to see, like, some of those, like, drapey fabrics starting to
25:24
show up. She's starting to lose like the
25:26
very tailored look. It's starting to get a little
25:28
bit more relaxed, which I really appreciate.
25:31
But also Season 2 to me is like the season of like the horse
25:34
Derby, which is like its own fashion in general.
25:37
You know, with the hats and going to the race and just
25:42
giving like your Sunday best or I don't know what day it is, but
25:46
I'm going to assume it's a Sunday because that's why we're
25:48
dressed as like, they're just looking like so polished, ready
25:50
to be outdoors and like their spring colors at the same time.
25:54
The Shelby siblings never lose like that direction they had in
25:58
the first season. No, I think you're just.
26:00
Building on it slightly. Exactly.
26:02
But I feel like especially with like the younger women
26:05
characters, that's where they're pulling it in more.
26:09
Especially Grace's Derby outfit. I'm like, oh you, you've seen
26:13
what fashion is coming and you're ready for it.
26:15
Grace looks like, I just imagine, like a postcard of what
26:19
1920s Derby women look like. Like, Grace is very, very, that
26:25
there has to be like a, you know, vintage picture of this
26:27
woman somewhere going back to her name's Mae Carlton.
26:32
It was so obvious that Tommy was going to hook up with her again.
26:36
I just see the way that Tommy looks at literally any woman.
26:39
I'm like, don't do it man. Like, I'm so annoyed at Grace
26:44
coming back, right? And, like, basically cutting
26:48
this relationship short. Yeah.
26:51
I think they would have, like, taken their relationship slow.
26:53
Yeah. Like, been like, OK, you're my
26:55
hookup. Maybe like, it'll turn into
26:57
something else. But like, for now, like, you're
27:01
with me, I'm with you. We'll see what happens in the
27:04
future. But I do like they bring a lot
27:06
of like the 1920s in with her. Yeah.
27:09
And I also love that it just shows like, you know, she is
27:11
very wealthy and she's a widow and you do see her like in her
27:15
big fur coats. But just anytime you see her
27:18
like it's she's actually like wearing the boots and she looks
27:21
a little like little roughed up a little bit, maybe a little
27:24
dirty, which I think. She's not afraid of work.
27:27
Yeah, she's not afraid of work, which, you know, another reason
27:29
why I also kind of wish Tommy went with me.
27:32
I'm just Grace, I'm sorry, but like you mess it up first season
27:36
and you just showed up when things are starting to work out
27:39
for Tommy and that didn't go so well, but we'll get to that.
27:43
And you're like, I want a baby. I know.
27:46
Let me go have Thomas knock me off.
27:48
Yeah. And it happened very fast.
27:50
Yes, sometime in this show, sometimes I'm just like, what?
27:55
But. Also, season 2 is also is that
27:58
the first season where they start raiding like the London
28:01
bars also too? Yeah, seeing that like very like
28:06
kind of that Great Gatsby. Yeah, to the art Deco.
28:10
It's it's all very fun. I love, I love season 2.
28:14
That was a good one. But now we are moving along to
28:18
Season 3. Season 3 we have the wonderful
28:21
Alexandra Caulfield, who you might know from her Emmy and
28:25
BAFTA nominated House of Saddam. Beautiful season.
28:31
Really. It's probably like a year, I
28:33
think after Season 1, judging on the size of their child.
28:40
I don't think they actually tell us how far in the future this
28:46
season is. But like, everyone's like,
28:51
they're like, the Shelby's are coming up in the world.
28:54
They are coming up. They've got money.
28:58
The 20s is like really here. It's most of like the Edwardian
29:03
stuff is done with and then we have like the Russian Royals who
29:09
just look so good the. Russian Royals look so good.
29:12
I did not understand what was happening.
29:14
Honestly, season 3 is my least favorite, not the costumes, just
29:18
the plot. I didn't understand what was
29:20
going on, but I loved it. You know, of course, of course
29:23
Tommy had a hook up with the Russian Duchess.
29:25
I'm not even going to get into that unnecessary, but she looked
29:28
good and I she did like her. Their costumes did like kind of
29:34
speak to like that Russian, you know, aristocracy a little bit.
29:38
Like it was very because they wear a lot of darker colours,
29:42
lots of blacks and Grays, but still also like just very
29:46
covered up. You know, like, I get the
29:48
impression that even if it was, you know, 70° outside, they'd
29:52
still be walking out in a big, you know, fur.
29:54
Coat, Yeah. They just looked very
29:57
traditional, looked like years backwards.
30:00
You know, that's, that's the roaring 20s now for the Peaky
30:03
Blinders. But this Russian family shows up
30:05
and they're very much still in like the 1800s to me.
30:08
Because they're technically refugees, they had to flee after
30:13
the fall of the Russian Royals in World War One.
30:15
So they're definitely really like, there's some throwback for
30:18
them just because they don't necessarily have the money to
30:22
buy the latest fashions. Who does have the money to wear
30:26
the latest fashions, though? But where is this stunning like
30:31
1890s gown Polly? Oh, this is the season she gets
30:36
the portrait done right? Yes.
30:37
Oh man, I love that that. Oh, that's good stuff.
30:40
She wears that dress into that party with all the confidence in
30:43
the. World Yeah, she looks good.
30:48
And she also is like she's showing a new side.
30:51
She gives very much like president vibes.
30:53
You know, she shows up to the function looking her best.
30:57
And while she might not be the boss, she feels and looks like
31:01
the boss. So no one ever questions her
31:03
role in it. I mean, she's the one character
31:05
that kind of goes in and out of business all the time and but no
31:08
one ever questions it because she's the best.
31:11
Season 3 also had this perfect montage because season 3 is the
31:16
season where like you start to, you know, the the women's
31:19
movement and starting to really kick up in this season.
31:22
And there's a there's an episode where all the Shelby women go on
31:27
strike essentially just to join for today.
31:29
Literally they do it for a day because they're not like diehard
31:32
followers, but they're like that sounds fun for today.
31:34
Let's. Show Thomas how much he'll miss
31:37
without us. They have this moment, another
31:40
one of those montages or time out where they're just walking
31:42
down the street. They all look so good.
31:47
Esme, Lizzy, Ada and Polly. Polly with the sunglasses, the
31:54
blue, the hair Bob is bobbing. I mean, Polly's just killing it.
31:59
She is. She really is.
32:02
And like, I like the confidence Polly has in her wardrobe for
32:06
this season. Yeah, it's stunning.
32:08
It's it's killer. It's probably my favorite part
32:10
of the season. But I have to ask you because we
32:13
all know that you love a wedding.
32:15
Who got a quick shot of Tommy and Grace's wedding?
32:20
And Grace is wearing purple. Yeah, I like it.
32:23
I I wish they'd drawn like a slightly different direction in
32:30
like the cut of the dress cuz I like she's so stylish and I feel
32:36
like it wasn't, it didn't quite like suit her, but then also her
32:42
whole family's there and they're obviously very like judgy
32:46
people. So I feel like maybe it was
32:51
influenced by her family. Also, in this point in time, if
32:56
you had already been married, you were you couldn't wear
33:01
white. So I like.
33:04
I'll do it. Yep, I like the purple option
33:08
for her. It's especially 'cause I feel
33:12
like they're kind of trying to hide who she is at first, like,
33:18
hmm, like, did Thomas really, like get with Grace?
33:22
Yeah. Did he not Like what?
33:27
So I like that very heavy veil. And then when she it gets pulled
33:32
back, it's, it falls very beautifully.
33:34
Yeah. So I kind of like the little bit
33:36
of mystery. Mm hmm.
33:38
That they create around that, especially because like the end
33:42
of season 2, he's like he thinks he's going to die.
33:45
So he's telling Grace like, go back to her husband like.
33:49
He thinks he's going to die every season.
33:53
I I do like it. Yeah, I get it.
33:55
Like, I totally would like wish that because she's like, totally
33:57
a supermodel and, you know, every sense of the way.
34:01
So you're kind of hoping she's going to do like this big kind
34:03
of like what Polly's wearing, like in that portrait.
34:07
But I also feel like though that Grace is kind of while her
34:12
family is there, she's kind of blending in with the Shelby
34:16
family a little bit more and walking down that aisle with
34:20
that very heavy, like purple fabric veil.
34:24
It's to me, it's kind of like a nod to like the Irish Romani,
34:29
you know, heritage of the Shelby family a little bit.
34:31
It's almost like she's trying to, like, play both sides a
34:35
little bit, which is kind of what a marriage is, but I almost
34:37
feel like she's kind of giving like a bigger nod to the Shelby
34:40
family. I think she definitely prefers
34:43
the Shelby. She's like, yeah, my family's
34:45
cool, but Shelby's are cooler, which I get it.
34:49
I. Get it?
34:50
Yeah. Elizabeth there's a lot of
34:54
characters that we want to get into before we talk about our
34:58
final season. Yeah, so there are just like a
35:01
myriad of villains over the course of this show.
35:06
And almost all played by some sort of like Oscar award-winning
35:09
actor or Emmy nominee or like, there's no one cast in this show
35:14
that's like a nobody, literally. Not.
35:18
For example, Tom Hardy as Alfie who just shows up randomly in
35:24
any old season almost. You don't even know he's
35:26
connected until he shows up and gives us all a lecture.
35:30
Yeah, Tom Hardy is the great. I love him.
35:33
He's Tom. Hardy is great.
35:34
Yeah, he's. Great, I also love they kind of
35:36
carried his like Bane voice from The Dark Knight into this on
35:39
accident but made him just so much cooler, don't you hear?
35:46
It I didn't till you said that. Yeah, he's totally like, he
35:50
definitely didn't lose the bane. That was the voice he was doing
35:53
underneath whatever voice modification they had.
35:55
Yeah. Oh, for fur.
35:58
I thought Tom Hardy was great. Sam Neil, our guy from Jurassic
36:01
Park as Chester Campbell. Such a cringy character, but he
36:06
gave a great performance as that.
36:08
Character. He was scary and he he's like
36:11
the only person who wears a bowler hat in this show.
36:14
And he worked it. Yeah, that's true.
36:16
He does. He's like one of the few bowler
36:18
hats and it just it becomes like his signature in both season 1
36:22
and 2. I also love no Adrian Brody has
36:27
Luca Chengretta. You really loved him.
36:30
That was my favorite season, Season 4, when the New York
36:34
Italian mafia shows up to mess up the shelbies.
36:37
Come on, that was great writing. You're like, Corleone sent these
36:40
people. Yes, Adrian Brody is giving Vito
36:43
Corleone. He has the voice.
36:46
They all have the hat and the Tommy gun.
36:49
Like this is that was Pinnacle Mobster March for me.
36:52
I was like, this is what we're talking about.
36:54
Yeah, my pick of The Godfather and Elizabeth Peeky Blinders met
36:57
in Season 4. We could have just did the
37:00
episode about season 4 to me. Honestly I'd love like a
37:04
crossover season. I kept thinking about this
37:07
during Season 1. Crossover season with Downton
37:10
Abbey. Yeah, yeah.
37:12
And then a crossover season with with The Godfather.
37:16
Yeah, oh man, there's so many other good characters.
37:19
Patty Considine, who played the creepy priest in season 3.
37:24
Of course we know him from House of the Dragon as King Targaryen.
37:28
I've suddenly forgot his first name.
37:30
Some combination of Amon, Aegon, Damon, I don't know.
37:36
Oh, OK, so well, first I love Sabini the Italian.
37:41
Mobster, I love how like different they look too
37:46
compared. They have very like they have
37:47
the bold like tie that's almost more like a curvat.
37:51
And then they always have like really bold handkerchiefs and
37:53
like some sort of like lapel decoration, right?
37:57
But then I know we're getting ready to talk about the last
37:59
couple seasons and the second year and two of the main
38:02
villains are Jack Nelson and Oswald Mosley and his very
38:08
creepy wife Diana Mitford. First, did you know I love the
38:13
show because it like carried non fiction but presented in a
38:16
fictional way. Do you know that Jack Nelson was
38:19
inspired by JF KS father and JF KS father was like deeply
38:26
interested in fascism? He was Oh my gosh, that makes so
38:31
much sense. I.
38:32
Was Googling this at like 1:00 AM last night and I was like Oh
38:35
my word, yeah. Oh my gosh, that makes a lot.
38:39
His character makes a lot more sense now.
38:41
Yeah, such a creepy guy because he has, you know, he kept saying
38:45
he has like the year of the White House and so on and so
38:48
forth. Just to think about how close
38:50
like America almost got involved on the wrong side of history
38:56
there. I mean, you can make an argument
38:58
for a lot of occasions of history where America's effed up
39:02
like that, but that was a very, very close F up.
39:06
Especially when you see Oswald Mosley and his wife.
39:10
Like they are probably the creepiest TV characters I've
39:13
seen in a while. Yeah, she gave me the ick.
39:17
Seriously. Like more than him.
39:20
Which like, that's hard. To top.
39:24
Yeah, and she looks like so elegant the entire time, but
39:30
then what comes out of her mouth?
39:32
I'm just like, OK. Yeah, I mean, this whole like
39:35
last two seasons about the rise of fascism, which I was not
39:39
expecting at all, which I mean, if you look at history book, you
39:42
should be. But I was dumb and I was like,
39:44
what is going on here? Very creepy.
39:47
Lots of black. Lots of, you know, black and
39:51
red, which is never a good combination of colors.
39:56
Very, very spooky. Very spooky.
39:59
So spooky. It was so spooky.
40:02
But then we have all of our wonderful side characters to
40:05
keep it light or not, Yeah. I gotta get away from the Flash
40:10
stuff. Yeah, there are lots of great
40:12
characters also allow great performances.
40:14
For example, Aidan Gillen, who played Abraham of Gold, we all
40:18
know from as Little Finger from Game of Thrones.
40:21
I'm honestly, I'm very proud of my guy here because I've had a
40:26
very hard time of separating him from Game of Thrones and he
40:29
killed it. He does, yeah, he absolutely.
40:32
Actually liked him by the end. Yeah.
40:34
And at first, you see him when they arrive to, you know, the,
40:38
the town, Birmingham. And, like, he has the long hair
40:41
and he looks kind of like, disheveled.
40:44
Yeah. And you're like eye rolling,
40:45
like, here we go. Not this guy.
40:47
Yeah. And by the end, you're like he.
40:50
Cleans himself. Up.
40:52
He becomes a Peaky Blinder real quick.
40:54
He does, and I love his scarves. Yeah, they like, they just suit
40:59
him so well. Yeah, that's a killer scarf.
41:02
Literally. So many other good characters of
41:05
course, like. Esme Shelby, she always looks so
41:09
cool. Esme Shelby, which really, we
41:12
gotta give credit all the costume designers for doing
41:14
their research too, on like the Romani culture and like that
41:17
influence of the, you know, of the Irish coming over into this
41:22
area. It's it's that's a lot of
41:24
research, I imagine. So that's like its own challenge
41:27
as it is. I love Jeremiah.
41:30
I I really thought I liked Michael Gray at first.
41:35
I was really. Rude for him.
41:37
Same. And then his wife comes in and
41:40
ruins everything. First time on his Taylor Joyce
41:43
ever ruined anything. Literally.
41:46
But Michael Gray, like he looks like a young boy, like wearing
41:52
like a grown up gangsters, which I think is just such clever
41:56
storytelling by the costume designers.
41:59
And like, he's like trying so hard to like, stay on the right
42:03
side of the law while still like being OK with what Tommy does.
42:09
Yeah. Yeah, cuz I can't believe like
42:12
he's only 17 at this like when he's introduced in the show.
42:15
Right. And then by the end he's I mean,
42:18
he even tries like the mustache thing.
42:19
By the end, you're like, come on, Michael.
42:21
No, let's be real here. And then he loses and they
42:24
quite. I that was satisfying.
42:26
Yeah, sad. But by the end of Season 6,
42:28
you're like, whatever, gotta say, don't enjoy Linda Shelby.
42:35
No, no and. Linda, you kind of suck.
42:38
I'm sorry. Yeah, and her like her clothes,
42:43
she always dresses very well, but I, I always get like the
42:48
boring side of the 20s for her because she's so she's so like
42:55
buttoned up and like will not let her hair down in front of
43:00
other people even slightly. Yeah, Linda's just a little too,
43:06
and how she ends up with Arthur's beyond me, because they
43:09
just don't mesh at all. Right, well, OK, she's a I'm
43:14
going to fix this man girl. That's how they ended up.
43:18
For some reason, Arthur walked into a church one day, probably
43:23
looking real sad, and she, like, kind of knew who he was and was
43:27
like, I can fix, yeah. Linda, I that's just one project
43:32
I would not take on. Yeah, she she and she starts
43:36
this the show off like being like the very buttoned up kind
43:39
of boring instance where she's like, oh, like, don't do this,
43:42
don't do that. But then she kind of like bends
43:44
the rules every once in a while whenever she feels.
43:46
Fit. Yeah, like.
43:47
I'd fight Linda, honestly, when she left, I was like, go, yeah.
43:51
Yeah, go away. Yeah, get out of here.
43:56
All right, let's get into seasons 4 through 6.
43:58
Yes. So for seasons 4 through 6, we
44:02
have costume designer Allison Mccosh, who has a very prolific
44:07
career as an assistant costume designer for Louise, Megan Bach
44:11
working on all three The Hangover movies, X-Men Origins,
44:16
Wolverine, X-Men, Days of Future Past, and many other films with
44:21
Louise. And recently she has been the
44:24
costume designer for Small Things Like These, starring
44:29
Killian Murphy, and she's the costume designer for the
44:32
upcoming Peaky Blinders. Film Allison just pointed out
44:37
there, we're going to reach out when this film.
44:39
Comes up. Oh, absolutely.
44:41
I did not know there's going to be a film until I I did
44:45
everything I could not to Google this show when I was watching
44:48
it. And then finally, when I
44:50
finished late last night, I was like, please let there be
44:53
something else. Yeah.
44:54
And I'm so stoked I get to be a part of it.
44:56
It's going to be so good. I'm so excited.
44:59
I think it's going to be great and I love that Allison just
45:03
like took on these last last three seasons and I think just
45:07
like finishes off the series so strongly, she said to Sunday
45:12
Post about coming on to the show.
45:16
When I started the show, we're at 1927, so some time has passed
45:21
a little since the last series, which meant it was slightly
45:25
easier for me to put my own mark on things, which I think she
45:29
really does because she's right. It goes from the early 1920s in
45:34
Season 3 to the late 1920s in Season 4.
45:39
So that's quite the style shift. It's fully flapper.
45:46
They're fully in it in Season 3, and especially with the men, she
45:51
has kept that very polished look that Stephanie started in Season
45:55
1. But the women, everyone around
45:58
them, like she brings in the 20s with such force in Season 4 that
46:05
it's like, OK, like let's get into it.
46:09
I feel like Season 4 is a good like overall a good kind of like
46:14
mid series like revamp. Ohh yeah.
46:17
It's, I mean, I think Allison came in at the right time.
46:21
You know, it's the 20s. But maybe it's not so much
46:23
roaring anymore as like people are very much used to this way
46:26
of life. So like, it's not like people
46:28
are wearing their costumes where they feel so new.
46:31
It's like they are just very comfortable and made this their
46:34
part of life. But you also get to see like a
46:36
lot of these characters gain older in a way.
46:38
While they might not look it because it's only like a real
46:42
years past, but you could just tell that they've all become a
46:45
lot more polished and a lot more put together in very subtle
46:49
ways. Again, I think Polly is like a
46:51
great sign of that. There's also Ada too, but Ada
46:56
like has many like identity in this show.
47:00
I would say a new one every season.
47:01
So she's kind of hard to watch. But Polly and Tommy are
47:05
definitely like real cursors to like the movement that Allison
47:08
brought to the show. Absolutely.
47:11
And she talked about capturing authenticity in the show to
47:16
slashfilm.com, saying when you're doing a period show, it's
47:20
important to capture as much of period authenticity as possible.
47:25
I find that today's fabrics don't tell the true story.
47:29
So I find auction houses selling vintage clothes and fabrics, and
47:33
then I'll adapt from that. Sometimes we'll have to re weave
47:37
a piece back together, but what you get is in is the right
47:42
color. What I found is that when an
47:45
actor walks into an authentic piece, they really feel like
47:49
they're becoming the character. Yeah.
47:52
I'll say. Yeah.
47:53
And it it shows, especially with Thomas as we're going through
48:01
the series like he is a businessman now.
48:05
He has legitimate business. I mean he.
48:07
Wears glasses? Yeah.
48:09
Season, Yeah. Season 5 he start, he puts them
48:11
on a lot and. You're like, oh, OK, like we're
48:14
reading now, yeah. And she said for Tommy, the
48:19
change to his wardrobe, it's minimal.
48:22
With him, it is very subtle, very subtle.
48:26
But I think you can see that it's very subtle, but you can't
48:30
see it, which it's like, it's so true.
48:34
It's just like just a little like nicer coat nicer.
48:39
Just even like the linings in his coat are clearly nicer.
48:43
Yeah, his like he has more like the tie clips and the pocket
48:48
like the pocket watch chains are nicer.
48:51
Yeah, he has something, or he has a ring, or he has the gloves
48:55
or he has, you know, the pocket watch.
48:57
He always had something with the glasses.
48:58
He's very accessorized, like at all times.
49:02
I mean, like, if you haven't finished the series, Boiler
49:05
alert. But like, at the end of the
49:06
series, when he thinks he's Gary to die, and there's that moment
49:09
where he's taking off like every little accessory in his wagon,
49:14
like, oh man, this guy's wearing a whole bunch of stuff all the
49:17
time, like he's always put together.
49:19
He really is, But for Allison, it was all about the female
49:27
characters. For her, she's such as a Sunday
49:29
post. I wanted to bring the female
49:32
characters forward stylistically and really make them present and
49:37
on equal level to the men. Yeah, I feel that.
49:41
Which she definitely does with Lizzie.
49:46
Lizzie. I love Lizzie, she deserves so
49:50
much better. She does.
49:53
Come on man. I love when she's like, so I'm
49:56
your, I'm your biggest regret. And he's like, well, yeah,
50:00
'cause I couldn't give you actually what you deserved.
50:03
I was like, yeah, word. Yeah, yeah, Tommy.
50:07
She deserves so much better. Hated how he treated Lizzie all
50:10
the time and then I mean he's constantly like gassing her up
50:14
and then he'll cheat on her with like the fascist wife for no
50:18
reason. I'm just like like you.
50:19
Please give Lizzie some. Like some credit, some respect.
50:24
Lizzie's beautiful. She wears clothes so well.
50:27
Yes and like she just like lets Tommy do his thing most of the
50:31
time. Most of the time.
50:33
Like I get the feeling from her she's like what?
50:35
I don't. I don't ask for much, but what I
50:38
asked for I expect you to do. Yeah, still, he was like
50:42
business, Lizzy. And I'm like, come on bro. 5
50:46
minutes. Allison talked to Netflix about
50:50
Lizzy saying I absolutely love Ada story and Lizzie's.
50:56
She was a prostitute and then she worked her way up in the
50:59
world and she she's really arrived in Season 6.
51:04
She's confident. She looks the part.
51:07
There's this moment in Season 6 where they're at a benefit for
51:12
Mitchford and Moseley and she's in her glamorous evening gown.
51:17
When we were on set that that day, she turned around and
51:21
looked from the top of the stairs.
51:23
It's a great shot. It was as if she was looking
51:26
down on society, as if she had arrived.
51:30
It was her Hollywood moment. I love that dress.
51:34
That's. True, like every time you saw
51:37
her she'd turn around and she had like a glow about her for
51:40
like that one over the shoulder look that she does in one of the
51:43
seasons too. I think that's during the ballet
51:45
show. She just always looked so put
51:49
together, looked very glamorous, kind of like old Hollywood.
51:54
Lucy deserve better. She deserves so much better.
51:57
I also love a lot of the colors they choose for her.
52:01
They choose these beautiful, like, orange and yellow golds,
52:04
which just looks so beautiful on Natasha O'Keefe.
52:07
Yeah. And I'm like, I feel like a lot
52:09
of people can't pull that color off.
52:10
And I it looks so stunning on her and she wears it so well.
52:16
Lizzie is my favorite love interest for Tommy, and he's the
52:19
one that she's the one that he disrespects like the most, which
52:22
makes me crazy. But she's over Grace or the
52:27
trainer lady, or I mean, it's just like so on and so forth.
52:32
Like she was the best Natasha O'Keefe.
52:34
If you're listening, we got you. Yeah, yeah.
52:38
But also, I hope that you show up in the movie.
52:41
So hopefully, hopefully Tommy could say sorry at the very
52:45
least. That's all I want, right?
52:48
Someone get this man to apologize.
52:49
I want him to be like, on his knees, being like Lizzie, please
52:53
don't leave me. I thought I was dying.
52:55
Yeah, or Lizzie should be like in the movies and and in the
53:00
movie, like he drives to LA and, you know, she's like on the red
53:03
carpet. In Hollywood, yeah.
53:04
With all her men anyways, you kind of warned me but I was not
53:09
ready for Anya Taylor joy the show up, especially to be dating
53:14
of all people, Michael Gray. I was like, come on, she.
53:20
I love Under Taylor Joy. Yeah, and I didn't think she
53:23
could ever play a character I didn't like.
53:26
She killed it. So unlikable.
53:28
Yeah. She's Gina's awful.
53:30
She's awful, she sucks. I don't.
53:32
I don't know why Gina hated everyone so much, I guess.
53:37
She's. Especially because, like
53:39
Michael, I don't think was actually as mad at Tommy as he
53:43
ended up being. She egged him on.
53:45
She egged. Him on the whole time and.
53:47
Looks beautiful doing it. Because he went years without
53:50
trying to get Tommy. Yeah.
53:52
Like, you've kind of, you know, like sometimes you're like, you
53:55
know what? I really was going to fight this
53:56
person at a Walmart, but that was like, so 30 minutes ago.
54:00
That was very. Like, because him and Tommy get
54:03
usually annoyed at each other because, like, they have two
54:07
very different roles that kind of don't mesh well together.
54:12
Yeah. But like he was like, okay, like
54:15
here my cousin, like whatever. And then she just comes in and
54:18
was like, no. Yeah, this like East Coast
54:22
American socialite. Please get into these costumes.
54:26
They're so beautiful and unfortunately we don't get a lot
54:31
on her costumes. But British folk spoke to Julie
54:37
Nightingale, the leading hair and makeup designer for Peaky
54:42
Blinders, and Julie said of Gina's look.
54:49
I wanted them to look like the socialites they've become.
54:53
I was very much drawn to Hollywood glamour of actresses
54:56
just such as Jean Harlow, Ginger Rogers and Carole Lombard.
55:03
Yeah, I mean, she is very much giving Hollywood glamour.
55:06
That's all I could, especially in Season 6 when she was like in
55:10
that living room of some kind with like all the very heavy art
55:15
Deco inspiration behind her. Because they're in like the
55:17
early 30s at this point. So it's it's very Hollywood
55:23
glamour for her. She Anya Taylor Joy always looks
55:26
amazing and what can Anya Taylor Joy not do at this point?
55:31
She can do everything. She can do everything.
55:34
I'm with you on that. All right, so Polly really gets
55:40
an upgrade when Allison comes on.
55:45
She sent a Sunday post about Aunt Polly.
55:50
She's becoming a lot stronger, a lot bolder, and that's really
55:54
reflected in her costumes in season 4 and five.
55:59
I really loved the idea of putting her in a trouser and a
56:03
suit just to make a real statement.
56:07
You can really see the transition from Polly from
56:11
Season 1. Each season, the costume
56:15
designer has added something to reflect her growing well.
56:19
Yeah, yeah. Which, yes, all the way.
56:23
Yeah, yeah. Polly just every season kind of
56:28
like has like not like a full makeover, but you could just
56:31
really almost kind of like I said, she's kind of the cursor
56:34
to the times, but she starts showing up in like a lot more
56:37
suits. My favorite costume, I'm just
56:39
going to say it is when she's leaning against a car at the
56:43
beginning of I think it's season 5 when she starts.
56:47
And yeah, definitely season 5, she's leaning against a car with
56:51
her hat and the suit and the trousers, the glasses.
56:55
And you see Pauline like, oh, man.
56:57
Like she, you know, like she says, I basically died back
57:01
there. And now I'm just taking
57:02
advantage of my time to the full extent, which I think is a
57:06
really beautiful sentiment, especially for what Helen
57:09
McCrory was going through at this time, where this character,
57:11
she's really reflecting. Like, I'm taking advantage of my
57:15
time and doing everything I want to do.
57:16
I want to dress who I want to be.
57:18
I want to do the things I want to do.
57:21
Yeah. Such such a great ending for
57:24
this character in a sense that you really saw the full
57:27
evolution through her costumes. You.
57:30
Did you Did? And Allison talked to Netflix
57:33
about her collaboration with Helen, saying.
57:36
Helena and I were very collaborative.
57:38
And it was such a joy because she really understood the
57:41
importance of costume. She always had this sway in her
57:46
hips, this kind of youth and confidence.
57:49
The costumes were embellishing upon that.
57:52
The actor is the canvas. Whatever she was giving, I was
57:56
dressing, which I'm like that's that's wonderful.
58:00
We we talked about this too in like Penny Dreadful, but which
58:04
was a couple seasons ago now. But like, she just wears clothes
58:08
so well. I imagine she's like the dream
58:10
collaborator for a costume designer because you could tell
58:13
that she's really involved in a process and she'll make anything
58:16
you pick look amazing. Helen McCrory is so missed.
58:21
She is just such a light this show.
58:25
She absolutely is amazing. And I think she's the best part.
58:31
Yeah. And I honestly, I just, I just
58:33
the whole time I kept thinking about what other things we would
58:35
see her do at this point because she was really at the top of her
58:38
game and Peaky Blinders and such a shame that she didn't get to
58:42
do the last season. She passed away.
58:45
I sound like right before unfortunately, and if COVID had
58:50
not had come down she would have been into the final season is
58:53
what the consensus was. She was especially when we get
58:57
into Season 6 and we have Ada Shelby who has also come on her
59:05
own journey through these seasons.
59:09
Allison talked to Metro UK about Ada's very different wardroom
59:15
this season, She said. I think it would be really
59:19
interesting that Ada would want to step in and stuff off into
59:22
Polly's shoes, use some of the pieces I've created and designed
59:26
for Polly. If we can have Ada wear them, I
59:29
think it would be really interesting visually to show
59:32
that Ada trying to step into Polly's shoes.
59:37
So we did that. Sophie loved that idea and that
59:39
was the way for me to have Polly move on through Ada.
59:44
So a lot of these costumes are what she had already designed
59:47
and made for Helen and they just adapted them for Sophie to where
59:53
as Ada becoming like the matriarch of the family
59:57
essentially. That's yeah, I didn't know that,
1:00:00
but. I mean, I kind of saw that
1:00:02
though, too, because there's that one episode, it's just one
1:00:06
episode where Ada steps into the office because Tommy is out
1:00:09
searching for Esme in the mountains and Ada is like
1:00:16
totally stepping into Polly's shoes and see that in a way
1:00:18
she's dressed and put together that's really powerful and
1:00:23
awesome. I'm so glad Allison got to do
1:00:25
that. But also, just like, I can't
1:00:27
imagine what this cast was going through in this final season,
1:00:30
losing such like a pivotal piece to this.
1:00:33
And you could see it on their faces actually.
1:00:36
Like there's that whole scene, I think when they were at the
1:00:40
funeral for Tommy's kid. Like, it just felt all very real
1:00:44
to me that they were actually going through these emotions the
1:00:47
whole time. And Ada of most of all the
1:00:52
characters you could just see on her.
1:00:54
And that must have been such a interesting challenge for her to
1:00:58
carry Aid and Polly's clothes with her that Helen never got to
1:01:03
wear. So yeah, major props to everyone
1:01:06
who put that last season together.
1:01:08
That was not easy. And that brings us to the end.
1:01:13
Yeah, Peaky Blinders, Elizabeth, that was such a good one.
1:01:16
Right? OK.
1:01:18
Your overall like thought about Peaky Blinders.
1:01:23
OK 'cause. You've heard me talk about it
1:01:25
for years, and now I. Thought it was great.
1:01:28
We'll just get into our Stitch ratings.
1:01:30
I'm going to give it a I'm going to give it a 5.
1:01:33
It's a perfect series. I think that there are
1:01:35
definitely some seasons that are stronger than others.
1:01:39
But that being said, I don't think there is ever a time where
1:01:42
I was bored, started watching the show, I felt all the
1:01:45
emotions. I thought every single cast
1:01:47
member all the way from the youngest brothers to, you know,
1:01:52
Tommy and Polly, like every actor was incredible.
1:01:57
The costumes were fantastic. I I think the only season that I
1:02:01
didn't really care for was the final season.
1:02:04
But like you, I just have to give them so much grace because
1:02:07
I just can't imagine not only coming off of Kovid so things
1:02:11
are now so much more difficult, but then losing Helen McCrory.
1:02:15
I mean, like, how so? You know, they had to rewrite
1:02:19
things and it just didn't go the way they did.
1:02:22
That being said, it still was a great final season.
1:02:24
It was that last. Episode really was like the
1:02:27
perfect little period. I kind of wanted to punch Thomas
1:02:32
Shelby back. In the face there was.
1:02:33
Never like a redeeming moment for him.
1:02:36
And then it's like so dark and oppressing.
1:02:38
And I like also we're going to introduce fascism and you're
1:02:41
like, oh, OK, great. I wasn't depressed already.
1:02:45
But overall, I just thought it was a phenomenal show.
1:02:50
And I'm so glad that there's a good movie.
1:02:52
And it just blows my mind. I mean, explain this to me.
1:02:56
It must be because this was like ABBC show that this show wasn't
1:03:00
nominated for a single Emmy. I'm I'm on the same as you Like
1:03:05
I don't know how this isn't nominated every season doesn't
1:03:08
have like nominations across. The board, I was like, I wonder
1:03:11
how many times Kelly Murphy won leading actor and I like pulled
1:03:15
it up and I was like. Not even nominated and.
1:03:18
I was like, what? Wait, wait.
1:03:20
Yeah. So I I think it just probably
1:03:22
was not like distributed in American markets right away.
1:03:25
Was it like always on Netflix or?
1:03:27
Yeah, it was on. It was on Netflix Original.
1:03:29
That's just that was the distributor here in the US.
1:03:32
It had to be something like that, so.
1:03:34
It's it's such a. It got BAFTA nominations, so I
1:03:39
think that was like its market. I agree, but like it was so it's
1:03:43
so popular in the US. Yeah.
1:03:46
I don't. I too don't understand.
1:03:47
There must be some TV Cami ruled that we don't know.
1:03:50
Yeah, because there's no way this show was fantastic.
1:03:53
I know. And like, I think that Helen
1:03:55
McCrory and Killian Murphy and even like the guy who plays
1:04:01
Arthur Shelby, who's very awesome as well, like they
1:04:05
should all have nominations at least.
1:04:07
He's like, how did you not get nominated for best supporting
1:04:10
actor? Like, come on, tell.
1:04:12
Me like it's it's it's it's also good.
1:04:15
I too give it a 5 stitch rating cuz one thing I didn't really
1:04:20
like get into, but both Stephanie and Allison talked
1:04:23
about, you know, the collaboration with like set and
1:04:27
how like, you know, they're like in the meetings and stuff you
1:04:30
can only like discuss and like imagine what everyone else is
1:04:34
going to do. But they were always so happy
1:04:36
when they got to set and everything looked so good and
1:04:40
was cohesive and just told this dark but fun but disturbing
1:04:46
story. Yeah.
1:04:48
Like it makes me feel all the emotions.
1:04:50
Literally by the end of season 6, I was like, I'm so depressed.
1:04:53
But but like and like you said, like season 4 feels like the
1:04:58
perfect like mobster story where you get lots of action and
1:05:01
there's heart and there's love and there's it's it's everything
1:05:05
so great. Thank you.
1:05:08
I was really dreading you were and I was dreading telling you
1:05:13
how right you were about this season.
1:05:15
I wanted to do like a typical Goodfellas and call the day.
1:05:19
You were like OK, but what about Scarface?
1:05:22
Which I stand by but. Well, I mean, I'm.
1:05:25
Glad we did this. Yeah, there's more seasons.
1:05:27
We'll get to it. So Peaky Blinders for life.
1:05:31
I'm into it. Allison, we can't wait to have
1:05:33
you on the podcast to talk about the movie.
1:05:36
I don't know when it comes out. Well, I didn't even know existed
1:05:39
until last night, but it's going to be good.
1:05:41
One sounds like Barry Kogan and Rebecca Ferguson's me in it, so
1:05:46
I just hoping to see more of the cast pop up.
1:05:50
Let's play one costume rule them all.
1:05:51
Yes. Spencer or not, Elizabeth Daniel
1:05:55
hit it. The one costume to rule them
1:06:01
all. Spencer, what's your one costume
1:06:08
to roll them all? Easy Polly Gray's suit when
1:06:11
she's leaning against a car just because she looks like such a
1:06:16
badass. It's just like she took my
1:06:17
breath away. The way she even like hold, like
1:06:21
she's such a great actress. The way she's just holding a
1:06:23
cigarette or just the way she poses.
1:06:26
Like you could tell that she has like definitely like a fashion
1:06:30
training. I'm not sure if she ever
1:06:31
modelled but like just the way it like you could tell she's
1:06:34
posed on a red carpet or two. Yeah, absolutely, she knows.
1:06:38
But I did put a honourable mention to that Season 1 Episode
1:06:44
6 look that she wears to tell Grace to piss off, because that
1:06:48
was my one costume to rule them all.
1:06:51
Up until. I saw the car suit, like I even
1:06:54
wrote it down. I was like, all right, my one
1:06:55
costume because you never know. With six seasons, you're like,
1:06:58
I'm not sure how much I can remember by the time we do the
1:07:00
podcast. I remember that Season 1 look
1:07:03
where I was like, oof. And that was before they even
1:07:05
had the money. Yeah, yeah.
1:07:09
That was when they were, you know, illegal bookies.
1:07:14
What was your choice? My choice is kind of like season
1:07:19
3 through our season 4 through 6, Thomas Shelby, especially
1:07:24
that that Navy suit with the maroon tie, the maroon lining
1:07:30
and that, like, wool trench coat.
1:07:34
Yeah, his hat, like it's, you see this picture, you see him in
1:07:39
that ensemble and you're like, oh, that's Peaky Blinders.
1:07:43
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, even like that.
1:07:46
Nice lining underneath, too. Yeah.
1:07:48
Like this guy has money now. Yeah.
1:07:51
So much good stuff. Elizabeth, thank you for making
1:07:54
us watch Peaky Blinders. I thank all of you for listening
1:07:57
to this. This was probably a little bit
1:07:58
of a longer episode, but we had a lot to get through.
1:08:00
But I am convinced that you're all going to enjoy this episode
1:08:04
because I've known how many people have loved Peaky Blinders
1:08:07
for a long time. So I'm sure I hope to scratch
1:08:10
that Peaky Blinders itch that you have.
1:08:12
It's not how I imagined Mobster March going, but it was the
1:08:15
perfect, perfect way to just talk about everything.
1:08:20
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1:08:25
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