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Mega Edition: What Happened To The Kansas City 3? (10/13/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Every
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: now and then we come across a story that's pretty
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  Speaker 1: damn wild. In this episode, we have come across one
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  Speaker 1: of those stories. And this story has to do with
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  Speaker 1: three friends who were found frozen to death in the
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  Speaker 1: backyard of another friend who has no idea, he says,
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  Speaker 1: how they got there. So we'll keep the whinging to
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  Speaker 1: a minimum and we'll just dive right into this article
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  Speaker 1: from the Daily Mail and see what kind of craziness
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  Speaker 1: awaits us. Headline. friend of three Chiefs fans who froze
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  Speaker 1: to death in his backyard, claims he has no idea
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  Speaker 1: until cops showed up to his door two days after
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  Speaker 1: the party, but Furious family claim he was unreachable during
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  Speaker 1: the search and now has moved out. So his buddies
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  Speaker 1: are found frozen to death in his backyard, this guy's
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  Speaker 1: unreachable by the family members, then he decides he's going
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  Speaker 1: to move out? I mean, I guess it's possible, but
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  Speaker 1: sounds kind of sus to me, no? This article was
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  Speaker 1: authored by Claudia Aora. The Kansas City Chiefs fan, whose
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  Speaker 1: three friends died in his backyard after attending a watch
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  Speaker 1: party on January 7, has broken his silence to insist
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  Speaker 1: he had no idea that they were lying dead on
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  Speaker 1: his property for two days until police showed up to
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  Speaker 1: look for him. And again, look, I guess it's possible.
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  Speaker 1: Dude didn't go outside or whatever. It's freezing cold. I
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  Speaker 1: get it. But it's a bit weird. And if it
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  Speaker 1: was my family member that was found frozen stiff in
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  Speaker 1: your backyard, you better believe I'd have some questions. Jordan
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  Speaker 1: Willis hosted the party for his three friends, David Harrington, 37,
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  Speaker 1: Ricky Johnson, 38, and Clayton McGeaney, 36, to watch the
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  Speaker 1: Chiefs play the Los Angeles Chargers. on January 7th in
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  Speaker 1: his home in Kansas City, Missouri. Like, how don't you
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  Speaker 1: know that people are frozen in the backyard, though? You
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  Speaker 1: invite these dudes over to the house, then you're like, alright,
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  Speaker 1: see you guys later after the game. What, do they
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  Speaker 1: go out in the backyard and decide they're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: a smoke and they all get frost-frozen like they were
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  Speaker 1: a woolly mammoth during the Great Freeze? I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: basically what this dude's pitching, right? He claims he went
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  Speaker 1: to bed, leaving the three men downstairs to hang out
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  Speaker 1: with an unidentified fifth man and knew nothing of their
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  Speaker 1: plight Until the fiance of one of the men broke
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  Speaker 1: into the home on January 9th and found him on
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  Speaker 1: the back porch. Now, why would she have to break
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  Speaker 1: into the home? None of this adds up. And are
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  Speaker 1: there any other wounds on these guys? Did they die
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  Speaker 1: of an overdose? Were they strangled? We need to have
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  Speaker 1: more answers here, right? Because as of now, just a
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  Speaker 1: lot of questions. Like, where was this dude at? This
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  Speaker 1: lady has to break into the house. You're not home.
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  Speaker 1: You can't answer the door. You can't answer the phone.
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  Speaker 1: None of that. So... This guy definitely seems like somebody
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  Speaker 1: who should be questioned at the very least about what
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  Speaker 1: happened here. And the fifth guy? Some unknown fifth man? What,
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  Speaker 1: did he just sneak into the house? Saw you guys
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  Speaker 1: were having some chips and watching the ball game and
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  Speaker 1: decided he was going to come over and kick off
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  Speaker 1: his shoes and watch the game with you guys? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: make it make sense. The police were called and soon
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  Speaker 1: discovered the other two bodies in the backyard. Willis opened
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  Speaker 1: the door to the cops in his underwear, holding an
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  Speaker 1: empty glass of wine. I mean, what? So bro decides
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  Speaker 1: to answer the door like Walter White in his underwear
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  Speaker 1: when Walter White was out there cooking meth in the RV?
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  Speaker 1: Let me just show up downstairs and open this door
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  Speaker 1: in my drawers. No bathrobe, no pajama pants, nothing. And
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  Speaker 1: not only that, but I'm going to be holding The
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  Speaker 1: medical examiner is yet to confirm how the victims died. Willis,
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  Speaker 1: who says he was close friends with the victims, says
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  Speaker 1: they froze to death. How the hell did that happen?
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  Speaker 1: How do you sit out there and freeze to death
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  Speaker 1: if you're somebody who is with it, right? Unless you're
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  Speaker 1: incapacitated in some way. If you're freezing out there, you're
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  Speaker 1: going to get up and you're going to move to
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  Speaker 1: a place that's warmer unless you can't do that. Were
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  Speaker 1: they drugged? Did they take something that made them incapacitated?
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  Speaker 1: Were they all taking fentanyl? Who knows? These are the
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  Speaker 1: questions that the medical examiner is going to have to
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  Speaker 1: chase down. But one thing's for damn sure, nobody just
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  Speaker 1: goes to sit outside, have a drink or a smoke
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, and freezes to death. But the families of
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  Speaker 1: the three victims say his story doesn't add up and
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  Speaker 1: are demanding answers. Police are also yet to confirm Willis'
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  Speaker 1: claim there was a fifth man in the house on
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  Speaker 1: the night in question. So, like I said earlier, there
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  Speaker 1: are a ton of questions here and really no answers.
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  Speaker 1: One thing we do know is this is bizarre as shit,
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  Speaker 1: because no grown-ass man should be freezing in the backyard
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  Speaker 1: after watching the ballgame. Nobody believes this story, said Harrington's mother,
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Marquez. None of his friends, none of the families,
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  Speaker 1: none of us believe it. Everybody is furious. Well, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not a friend, and I'm not family, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: believe it either. Something is not right, added Johnson's mother.
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  Speaker 1: They're demanding answers from the police, who were quick to
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  Speaker 1: dismiss the case as an accident. Again, we need more
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  Speaker 1: information than that. How can you just say, oh, this
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  Speaker 1: is an accident. Let's keep it moving. How is it
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  Speaker 1: an accident? What happened? Because it would take an extraordinary
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  Speaker 1: accident for three grown-ass men to freeze to death all
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  Speaker 1: at the same time. One of them couldn't go get help.
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  Speaker 1: One of them couldn't go inside and find somebody to
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  Speaker 1: call the police or something like that. So yeah, there's
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  Speaker 1: something else going on here. What it is, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But this isn't the real story. Certainly not the full story.
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  Speaker 1: In the meantime, Willis has moved out of the home. Initially,
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  Speaker 1: his attorney claimed he last saw the men leave the
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  Speaker 1: house when he went to bed. So why would you
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  Speaker 1: move out of the home? Unless this was planned previously
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  Speaker 1: and you have like documentation that you were moving out?
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  Speaker 1: I'd be a real suspect of this. And if I
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  Speaker 1: was the DA and I was the police, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be watching Mr. Willis. Meanwhile, the rest of us
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  Speaker 1: are over here like, what you talking about, Willis? Because
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  Speaker 1: none of this makes sense. And his whole story seems
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  Speaker 1: like a bunch of BS. Now his lawyer says he
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  Speaker 1: never saw them leave and instead left them to hang
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  Speaker 1: out with the unidentified fifth man when he went to bed.
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  Speaker 1: So nobody knows who the fifth man is? Just a
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  Speaker 1: guy that showed up out of the blue? Man who
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  Speaker 1: sleeps on the couch? Local degenerate? You couldn't even come
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  Speaker 1: up with a story that it was Slenderman? Just the
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  Speaker 1: unidentified fifth man? Okay, I guess. Two of the dead
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  Speaker 1: men had to park their cars on the street, but
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  Speaker 1: Willis didn't notice the vehicles because he claims he didn't
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  Speaker 1: leave the house on January 8th, probably in some drug-induced bender.
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  Speaker 1: If you're answering the door in your tighty-whities holding an
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  Speaker 1: empty wine glass, chances are you're on some shit. None
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  Speaker 1: of the family members of the three men had contacted
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  Speaker 1: him before police showed up at his house, he claims,
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  Speaker 1: but family members of the deceased can test this. The
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  Speaker 1: attorney said that two people came to Willis' home, but
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  Speaker 1: he didn't hear them because he sleeps with headphones and
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  Speaker 1: a loud fan. So because he had headphones on and
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  Speaker 1: a loud fan, he didn't hear these people? Pretty convenient, huh?
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  Speaker 1: Seems like a lot of this dude's story is pretty
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  Speaker 1: damn convenient. And frankly, like I said several times now,
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe any of it. He did say that
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  Speaker 1: one of the deceased wives contacted him on Facebook Messenger,
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  Speaker 1: but Willis didn't see the message until after the cops
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  Speaker 1: got in contact. Was this guy on a bender? Was
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  Speaker 1: he on so many drugs that he couldn't remember what
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  Speaker 1: was going on and he just like passed out or something?
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  Speaker 1: Because he better have an excuse like that, because without
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  Speaker 1: that kind of excuse, there's going to be a lot
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  Speaker 1: of questions to answer. Picerno said in a press release,
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  Speaker 1: Jordan had absolutely nothing to do with their deaths. He
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  Speaker 1: does not know the timing or manner of their deaths,
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  Speaker 1: nor does he know how or when they exited his house.
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  Speaker 1: Does that sound like something normal that goes down? All right,
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  Speaker 1: you dudes can come over, but I'm going to go
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  Speaker 1: to bed, and then you guys just, you know, let
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  Speaker 1: yourselves out. Now, I'm not saying it never happens, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's not possible. I have friends that
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  Speaker 1: I've been friends with since I've been a little kid that,
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  Speaker 1: They could come to my house whenever they want, leave
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  Speaker 1: whenever they want, do whatever they want, and all of
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  Speaker 1: it would be fine. But I have to call bullshit
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  Speaker 1: here because obviously that's not what's going on. Because if
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  Speaker 1: these were childhood friends, I mean, you would think that
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  Speaker 1: their wives would be friendly as well, right? They would
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  Speaker 1: know the person at least and be able to get
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  Speaker 1: in contact with them. But it doesn't seem like any
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  Speaker 1: of that went down, at least according to the deceased
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  Speaker 1: family members. In his first set of comments, he said
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  Speaker 1: the last time he saw the men was when they
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  Speaker 1: left the house. Captain Jake Bikina of the Kansas City
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  Speaker 1: Police Department said, first and foremost, this case is 100%
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  Speaker 1: not being investigated as a homicide. So, no homicide here, huh? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so let's get the story then. I need to know
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  Speaker 1: what happened. If these dudes weren't killed, then how do
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  Speaker 1: five or three grown men, excuse me, three grown men,
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  Speaker 1: freeze to death in the backyard? We're not talking about
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  Speaker 1: Mount Everest, we're not talking about on the summit of K2.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about in the backyard in Kansas City. Now,
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  Speaker 1: certainly cold, but freezing to death in the backyard? I
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  Speaker 1: have a very hard time buying it. There have not
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  Speaker 1: been any arrests or charges, and no one is in custody.
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  Speaker 1: There are no specific threats or concerns for the surrounding
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  Speaker 1: community at this time. The resident at the house was
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  Speaker 1: cooperative with detectives the day the deceased were discovered. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what else is he going to do? Nah, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to be cooperative, but you found a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: dead bodies in my backyard. Although relatives of the men
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  Speaker 1: feel investigators haven't given the case enough attention, the Kansas
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  Speaker 1: City Police Department previously said they are awaiting medical examiner's
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  Speaker 1: results on a cause of death before moving forward. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that sounds logical, right? You can't just move forward before
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  Speaker 1: you have any details or results, but there has to
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  Speaker 1: be questions asked. I don't want to hear, oh, case closed.
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  Speaker 1: There has to be some... legitimate reason for why this occurred. Look, again.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly something that has to be looked into. And if
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  Speaker 1: they're doing an autopsy, then they're going to do one
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  Speaker 1: of those panels is my guess and look for poison
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  Speaker 1: and all the rest of it. And they should. The
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  Speaker 1: two-day delay in finding the men and the lack of
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  Speaker 1: any reporting of their disappearance has also raised eyebrows. Johnson's brother,
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan Price, said that he heard the owner of the
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  Speaker 1: home had animals that would need to go outside and
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  Speaker 1: claimed the city didn't get enough snow to submerge the
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  Speaker 1: men for them to be hidden for days. So again,
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  Speaker 1: this is real weird. This is one of those crazy ass,
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  Speaker 1: weird ass stories, and there's no logical explanation for it,
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  Speaker 1: at least not yet. I'm sure something is going to
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  Speaker 1: emerge at some point, but right now, nothing that I
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  Speaker 1: can come up with that would be logical outside of
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  Speaker 1: drug use that would make people pass out in the elements.
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  Speaker 1: But besides that, has to be foul play, right? Because
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  Speaker 1: three people aren't going to be afflicted at the same
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  Speaker 1: time with a stroke or something. At least I don't
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  Speaker 1: think they would be. the chances of something like that
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  Speaker 1: happening have to be literally almost impossible. So if it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't something else as far as drug use, then we
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  Speaker 1: really need to know and understand what the hell happened.
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  Speaker 1: There's many different things that don't add up. We just
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  Speaker 1: don't understand how somebody would at least be investigated in
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  Speaker 1: any way, he said. We've heard that he's moving out
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  Speaker 1: as well, so we don't know if he'll even be
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  Speaker 1: sticking around much longer, he said Johnson. and his two
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  Speaker 1: friends were inseparable, but he did not know Jordan Willis
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  Speaker 1: and hadn't heard how his brother met him. Price said
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  Speaker 1: he didn't want to speculate over his brother's death, but
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  Speaker 1: said the circumstances don't make sense to him at all.
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  Speaker 1: My brother was a smart man, and there's no way
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  Speaker 1: that he would just freeze to death. Freezing to death
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  Speaker 1: is not a cause of death that I would accept,
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  Speaker 1: he said, and I don't think any of us would, right?
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  Speaker 1: None of us are going to sit here and just
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  Speaker 1: hang out in the backyard and wait to die. So
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  Speaker 1: there is something else going on. Another factor here at play.
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  Speaker 1: The question is, what is that factor? Well, when we
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  Speaker 1: have answers, we'll get it added to the catalog. But
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  Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one for now.
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  Speaker 1: And all of the information that goes with this episode
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  Speaker 1: can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone?
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: And welcome back to the program. In this episode, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to spin back down to Kansas City and we're
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  Speaker 1: going to check in on what's going on. with the
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  Speaker 1: Kansas City Three. And to do that, we have an
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  Speaker 1: article from the New York Post. So let's just dive
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  Speaker 1: right into the article, shall we? Headline, Did Suburban Walter
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  Speaker 1: White Poison His Friends? Unraveling Mystery of Kansas City Chiefs
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  Speaker 1: Fans' Frozen Fentanyl Deaths. This article was authored by Dana Kennedy. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's one hell of a headline, huh? Suburban Walter White?
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: That's quite a label to tag somebody with. April Mahoney
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  Speaker 1: was so desperate to find her missing fiancé, Clayton McGeaney,
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  Speaker 1: that she took matters into her own hands a little
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  Speaker 1: after 9 p.m. on January 9th. She pounded fruitlessly for
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  Speaker 1: 10 minutes on the door of the Kansas City, Missouri
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  Speaker 1: rental belonging to Jordan Willis, where McGeaney and his friends
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  Speaker 1: were last seen two days earlier. Now imagine your fear.
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  Speaker 1: You haven't seen your fiancé, your boyfriend, whatever, in two days.
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  Speaker 1: You know he was at this guy's house. Now this
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  Speaker 1: guy won't answer his phone, none of the other friends,
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  Speaker 1: or returning calls either. You want to talk about Panic Central,
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  Speaker 1: that's it. Then she broke in through a basement window,
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  Speaker 1: yelling to see if anyone was in the house, a
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  Speaker 1: relative told the Post. Next, she walked upstairs, looked out
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  Speaker 1: the large back window, and saw a grisly tableau on
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  Speaker 1: the snow-covered patio. Mahoney first spotted the frozen body of
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  Speaker 1: one man, David Harrington, seated upright in a lawn chair.
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  Speaker 1: And there's no doubt that there was drugs involved here.
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  Speaker 1: We said it from the very beginning, and I think
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  Speaker 1: just about everybody who took a look at this unfortunately
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  Speaker 1: saw it for exactly what it was. Grown-ass men don't
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  Speaker 1: just go in the backyard and die. There has to
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  Speaker 1: be mitigating circumstances. There has to be a reason why
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  Speaker 1: this happened. And the reason, obviously, is they took fentanyl.
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  Speaker 1: Now the question is, at least for me anyway, where
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  Speaker 1: did they get it? Did they get it from their
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  Speaker 1: dealer buddy? Did Mr. Willis provide it? Or, as this
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  Speaker 1: article is sort of inferring, did Mr. Willis make it?
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  Speaker 1: And if Mr. Willis made it, forget it. He's going
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  Speaker 1: to be in big trouble. But to be clear, we
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  Speaker 1: don't have any evidence to point us in that direction
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  Speaker 1: as of yet. Sure, there is speculation. There is some inference.
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  Speaker 1: But we don't have any concrete evidence to point us
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  Speaker 1: in a direction saying that Mr. Willis whipped up these drugs.
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  Speaker 1: Then she saw her fiancé dead on the ground beside
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  Speaker 1: a third man, Ricky Johnson. He was also dead. April
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  Speaker 1: saw David and she totally panicked and almost couldn't breathe
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  Speaker 1: and she called the police. Clayton's uncle, Jim McGeaney, told
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  Speaker 1: the Post, I can't even imagine walking into a scene
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  Speaker 1: like that The last thing you expect to see is
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  Speaker 1: multiple people dead in the backyard. But here she is,
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  Speaker 1: walking into this grisly scene, and now she's going to
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  Speaker 1: have to live with that for the rest of her life.
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  Speaker 1: You want to talk about PTSD, folks? That's going to
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  Speaker 1: be it. The cops showed up within minutes, and Jordan
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  Speaker 1: opens the door no problem, wearing his boxers and holding
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: only an empty wine glass. All of a sudden, he
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: hears the door for the cops, but not for the
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  Speaker 1: family members. He can hear the commotion when the 5-0
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  Speaker 1: shows up, but... If it's the family members looking for
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  Speaker 1: their loved ones, I had some headphones on. Are they
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  Speaker 1: special headphones that lets you hear if the police are
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  Speaker 1: at the door? Because if not, I don't really buy
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  Speaker 1: the BS. And I'm going to stick with my speculation,
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  Speaker 1: which is these dudes OD'd. He knew it. He panicked.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't know what to do. So he decided, fuck it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going to keep getting high. Because guess what?
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  Speaker 1: That's what drug addicts do. Since then, the mystery of
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  Speaker 1: how McGeaney, 36, Harrington, 37, and Johnson, 38, died seemingly
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  Speaker 1: simultaneously in the snowy backyard while Willis, their host, a
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: 38-year-old HIV research scientist, said he had been sleeping for
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: 48 hours and had no idea his buddies expired in
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  Speaker 1: full view of the house, has only deepened and agreed. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not willing to take the leap without any evidence
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  Speaker 1: to say that Willis is responsible for killing these dudes.
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  Speaker 1: but the more we learn here, the more questions I have.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think it was malicious, but did he
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  Speaker 1: play a part one way or the other? I think
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  Speaker 1: that's the question that has to be answered at this point.
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  Speaker 1: And if there's any culpability here, then Willis most certainly
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: should be charged. The temperature in the backyard in the
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  Speaker 1: early morning hours of January 8th when the men died
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  Speaker 1: was just about freezing. Preliminary toxicology results Thursday indicated the
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: men died from the effects of cocaine and fentanyl. So
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  Speaker 1: probably the most likeliest scenario is the cocaine was tainted
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: with fentanyl, like we said, from the very first day.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: People are out having a good time and they decide,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: you know what, let's get ourselves a bag of blow.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: But unfortunately, unlike the old days, you have no idea
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: what's coming along with that blow when you buy it.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: It could be tainted. It could be fentanyl itself. You
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: just don't know. I mean, I would think that a
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: chemist who gets down would have some testing kits, something
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: like that, to make sure that they're getting the right stuff.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: But I guess that didn't occur. And whatever these dudes took,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: however they took it, ended up killing them. The toxicology
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: reports were not publicly released by Kansas City police, but
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: some bereaved relatives were briefed on their contents, a family
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: member told the Post. Two family members told News Nation
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: that the bodies contained three times the amount of fentanyl
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: needed to kill someone. But friends and family of the
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: dead men say many questions are still unanswered, especially about Willis.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: More than one person said it sounded like Breaking Bad
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: TV series come to life. Willis has a PhD from
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Vanderbilt University. As an HIV vaccine researcher, he worked both
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: at the International AIDS Vaccine Initiative Neutralizing Antibody Center in
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: La Jolla, California, and from his native Kansas City. His
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: academic resume includes 55 published papers, five times the academic
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: output of ex-Harvard president Claudine Gay, and an award from
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: the Scripps Consortium for HIV AIDS for his contribution to
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the development of an HIV vaccine. So all of that
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: is noteworthy, right? But does that mean he had nothing
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: to do with his friends dying here? It doesn't. Now again,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: on the flip side of that, it doesn't mean that
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: he did either. Just because he's a chemist doesn't mean
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: that he killed his buddies. but it's certainly something that
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: should be taken into account, and I'm sure that the
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: authorities are looking at that. But his dead friends, they
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: all met at Park Hill High School, a mile away,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: had more blue-collar jobs. McGinney worked construction, and Harrington was
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: a flooring contractor. Some friends and family members have commented
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: to each other and the media that Willis might have
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: cooked up something extra in the drugs the men took
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: that night. A source close to the family disputed that,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: speaking to Fox News Digital. Now, again, the most likely
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: thing that happened here is they bought a bag and
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: that bag was tainted previously. Whoever they bought that bag from,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: whatever dealer, that dealer probably weighed out his fentanyl and
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: his cocaine on the same scale like a dumb fuck
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: and ended up with cross-contamination and that ended up killing
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: these guys. That's the likeliest scenario here and the one
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: that I've always ascribed to since we first started talking
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: about this. Willis was arrested and charged with the misdemeanor
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: DUI in 2011 in Tennessee, according to public records, hardly
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the mark of a Midwestern Walter White and has no
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: further criminal record. I think people just say things to
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: say it. There's no way this guy should even be
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: considered Walter White. Even if you whipped up some drugs
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: that killed his friends, Walter White was moving literally kilos
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: of high-grade methamphetamine. If anything, this guy used his talents,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: his chemistry talents, and whipped something up that killed his buddies.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: And that's a big if in my opinion. But certainly
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: something that has to be looked at. I'm not just
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: going to discount it. It's certainly something that has to
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: be investigated, considering his, you know, job as a chemist
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: and the fact that people say he used to do that.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Certainly something that can't just be ignored. But do I
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: think it's likely? I do not. The mad scientist agenda
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: is absolutely ridiculous, the source said. The fact that he
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: is a scientist is irrelevant. I agree. But not everyone
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: is convinced. A bunch of people reached out to Clayton's
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: sister and told her that Willis had been known as
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the chemist in high school, Jim McGeaney told the Post. Again,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: very possible. But does that mean that he was still
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: doing it now? Does that mean that he created these
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: drugs that these guys took and ended up dying from?
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I'm going to need to see evidence of that. They
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: said he would go to parties and make people feel
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: good with the drugs he enhanced. I don't know if
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: he concocted something or not that night. The police won't
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: tell us. April, he said, is all tore up. She
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: barely wants to talk. The funeral for Clayton was very tough.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: They were together for years and had a great life.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: And when I'm banging on about drugs all the time
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: and how terrible they are for this country and for
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: the people who are affected by them, this is what
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I mean. You know, many lives have been absolutely crushed
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: and ruined because of these fucked up, disgusting drugs. And
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: the fact that nobody wants to take responsibility for the
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: gigantic addiction problems in America or the fact that nobody
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: is doing anything to deal with it is just laughable. Look,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I get it. I hate the cartels too. And I
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: want to see them get taken out. but that is
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: only one part of the problem. One of the main
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: problems we have is addiction here in America, and that
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: has to get dealt with. And unless we have the
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: resources for wraparound services, it's never, ever, ever going to
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: be dealt with. Because as I've said before, even if
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: you got rid of every single cartel, do you think
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: that the drug problem would just end? No, it would
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: be somebody else stepping up to the plate and providing
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: those drugs. Because if there's a want for it, and
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: there's a drive in the market for it, you know
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: somebody's going to step up and fill that gap. So
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: we can be as prohibitionist as we want. But until
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: we deal with the addiction problem, it's going to be
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: all bad. Willis, the three dead men, and a fifth
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: friend gathered at the four-bedroom rental in the suburban Northland Sprawl,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: 20 minutes north of downtown Kansas City, sometime after the
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Chiefs defeated the Los Angeles Chargers at SoFi Stadium. 13
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: to 12 in the evening of January 7th. The fifth man,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Alex Lee Weimer, arrived at the home around 7 p.m.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: and told the police when he left at 12.01 a.m.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: The men were all up watching a rerun of Jeopardy. Now,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the Chiefs just won the game. They're moving on in
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. And these grown ass men are sitting around
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: watching Jeopardy. I don't know if I buy that either.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Maybe if they're stoned and they have the heroin nods
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: or something. But usually when the ball game ends, that's
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the end of it, right? time to head home. I
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: got work the next day, whatever. But that's not what
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: occurred here. Willis, whose stories have changed slightly when recounted
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: by his lawyer, John Picerno, claims he went to sleep
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: at around 1230 a.m. when his friends were still there.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: At one point, it was claimed he saw them leave.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Picerno did not respond to repeated requests for comment from
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: the Post. Early on the morning of January 9th, Both
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Mahoney and Johnson's mom, Norma Chester, texted Weimer Lee, asking
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: where the men were. Weimer Lee then texted Willis both
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: on his phone and via Facebook, but he apparently never answered.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: That night at about 7 p.m., a close friend of
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the men, Dakota Letier, pounded on Willis' door for about
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: 20 minutes with no response. But all of a sudden
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: he responds when the cops show up, huh? Convenient. Then
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Mahoney came by two hours later, saw two vehicles belonging
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: to the deceased out front, and knocked on the door
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: herself before breaking in the tiny basement window, getting access
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: to the backyard, and making her deadly discovery. She called
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the police, who arrived 10 minutes later. This time, Willis
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: answered the door right away. He was handcuffed briefly, but
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: released without charge, and cops said there was no evidence
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: of foul play. Michael Bodden, the former chief medical examiner
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: of New York City, who has investigated numerous high-profile deaths,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: told the New York Post it would be unlikely for
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: three people taking drugs to die at the same time,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: but it wouldn't be unusual for three people to pass
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: out at the same time. They usually pass out and
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: sleep it off, but you pass out in the snow
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: and cold, the body temperature falls so quickly that often
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: people are dead within an hour, Bodden said. He is
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: not wrong about that. My guess is they went outside
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: for a smoke and they all got hit with the
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: opioid at the same time. And, well, we know the result.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: On January 20th, Willis' defense attorney, John Picerno, sent out
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: a press release saying Willis was unaware that his friends
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: had died and that he had been asleep with earbuds
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: and a fan. Picerno did not answer more than a
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: dozen calls from the post. Willis is checked into rehab,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: according to a report. Oh, that's what everybody does, right? Oh,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I have a problem, I'm going to rehab. Oh, I've
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: been charged with sexual assault, I'm going to rehab. Oh,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I've murdered 5,000 people. I better go to rehab. Breaking news.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: That was something you should have done before you acted
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: like an asshole. Willis is facing his addiction head on.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: A source close to the family told Fox News Digital,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: calling the deaths of his friends an enormous wake-up call.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: As if the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: who have died all around us due to overdoses isn't
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: a wake-up call. After the shocking loss of three of
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: his close friends under extremely tragic circumstances, Jordan recognized that
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: he had a problem with addiction, the source said, without
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: elaborating on the exact nature. He immediately checked himself into
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: rehab after vacating his home and putting his things into storage.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Jim McGeaney said that Willis moved out of the rental,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: which is reportedly owned by his parents, the day after
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: the bodies were found. His beloved rescue pit bulls, Daisy
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: and Sadie, may have been with his parents all the time.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know about him, but these guys, the deceased,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: they weren't junkies, he said. They weren't drug addicts with
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: needle marks in their arms. You don't need to be
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: to die from fentanyl. It's not like the old days.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Back in the old days, you legit had to basically
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: overdose on heroin to die. Like, overdosing on cocaine, unless
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: you have medical issues going into it, very rarely is
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: that going to occur. Now, if you do a fuckton
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: of it, yeah, sure, like anything else. But if you're
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: just having a night out with your buddies... you're going
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: to be fine for the most part. Now you're talking
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: about all this other crazy nonsense that's laced with all
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: this shit? Yeah, you're in big trouble, man. They were
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: professional people, and if they were doing cocaine recreationally, they
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: never expected it to be laced with fentanyl and lethal 100%.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Fentanyl has killed more than 850 people in the nine-county
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Kansas City area since 2018, the Kansas City Star reported
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: late last year. Jim McGinney pointed out that on January 8th,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: as the dead man apparently lay frozen in the backyard,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: a 38-year-old Kansas City man and his 31-year-old partner were
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: arrested on charges of drug trafficking. Cops found more than
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: 105 grams of fentanyl, enough to kill 52,000 people, along
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: with supplies used to package and distribute the drugs in
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: their suburban home, according to a news release. So, chances are,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: that's where they got these drugs, right? Not from those people,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: but from somebody. I have my doubts that Willis whipped
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: these drugs up. It's so sad, McGinney said. I wish
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: people knew that if they're going to use drugs like this,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: they would at least buy one of those test kits
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: to see if cocaine has been laced with fentanyl. Three
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: families have been ripped apart forever over this. And how
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: many times have I said that? I know some of
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: you out there listening get down. I know some of
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: you like to have a good time. And hey, I'm
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: not judging you. I'm not saying that you shouldn't. I'm
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: saying that you should be responsible. And if you're going
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: to do cocaine, then you need to have a test
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: kit and maybe even Narcan with you if you really
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: want to, you know, make sure you're covered. Because if not,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: the truth is you might find yourself in a situation
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: someday like we see here. And I don't ever want
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: to talk about any of you folks on this podcast.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: So please be safe. And if you're going to party,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: do it responsibly. All right, folks, that's going to do
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: it for this one. All of the information that goes
• 29:07
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• 29:11
  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. In
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to spin back down to Kansas
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: City and we're going to get an update on what's
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: going on with the three buddies who were found frozen
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: to death in their other friend's backyard. Yesterday, we heard
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: from the fifth so-called mystery man who refuted the story
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: that was being pitched by Mr. Willis. Now, the parents
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: of the fans who were found dead, at least some
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: of the families are saying that maybe these dudes saw
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: something they shouldn't have seen, or maybe that they heard
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: something they shouldn't have heard, and that's why they ended
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: up dead. Now, of course, that's just speculation. The police
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: have said that there is no foul play here, and
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: they're not investigating it as such. But, when you have
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: this kind of mystery, and you have grown-ass men who
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: go out in the backyard for whatever reason, and they
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: end up freezing to death, people are going to have
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: some questions. Especially considering the circumstances that are surrounding this story.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: You look at this guy's house, he has all these
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: big-ass windows looking right out into the backyard. How don't
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: you know your friends are dead in the backyard for
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: two days? I don't want to hear about noise-canceling headphones
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: for two days. Now, maybe while you're asleep or whatever,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: but for two days straight, you're just laying around with
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: your noise-canceling headphones on? I don't buy it for a second. So,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: let's dive into this Daily Mail article, and let's get
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: caught up. Headline, Parents of Kansas City Chiefs fans found
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: dead in friend's backyard believe victims saw something they shouldn't
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: have as families await the toxicology results. This article was
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: authored by Claudia Aora. The parents of one of the
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Kansas City Chief fans that were found dead in their
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: friend's backyard believe the victims may have seen something that
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: they shouldn't have. And one thing that we should keep
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: in mind is that when family members lose other family
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: members in unexplained and unexplainable situations, they try to make
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: sense of things, right? Like everybody else. So in this
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: family's mind, they think that their loved one would never
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: go out into the backyard and just freeze to death.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: So there has to be something else going on. And
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: the family members, they're not going to just accept the
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: narrative that's being pitched to them. They don't believe it
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: for a second. And I think that until the toxicology
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: reports come back, the family members are going to have
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: a ton of questions. Then even when those toxicology reports
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: do come back, the question is, did these guys take
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: whatever sort of drugs they might have taken on their
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: own or was it given to them? Again, these are
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: all things that the investigators are going to have to
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: work out. And at these early stages of this whole situation,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: we just don't know. On January 9th, the bodies of
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: David Harrington, Ricky Johnson, and Clayton McGeaney were found in
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: the backyard of Jordan Willis at his home in Kansas City, Missouri.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: They had been there since January 7th when the three
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: men visited Willis to watch the Chiefs play the Los
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Angeles Chargers along with the as-yet-unnamed fifth friend. And yesterday
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: we heard from that fifth friend. And, of course, that
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: fifth friend refuted everything that Jordan Willis was saying. So
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: what's the real story and why is Jordan Willis allegedly
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: not telling the truth? Officials are awaiting toxicology reports, but
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the men's families are adamant that something more sinister is
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: at play. No one has been arrested and the police
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: aren't treating the situation as a homicide. Harrington's father, John,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: said that he believes the three victims may have learned
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: something or saw something that they shouldn't have before their deaths.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: And again, look, I'm not saying that didn't happen. But
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: what could it possibly have been that they saw? What
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: did they hear that would lead to this? And then
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: how would somebody administer some sort of drug to all
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: three dudes at the same time? So there's just a
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: lot going on. Now, of course, if they were all
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: smoking a joint or something like that, very easy to
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: lace that joint with whatever you want and give it
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: to them. Very simple to do that, especially if people
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: trust you. Oh, yeah, they're going to hit that joint.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: People who smoke weed, if there's a cipher in the yard, guaranteed.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Let me hit that shit. So is that something that happened? Maybe.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: But until we have the toxicology report, we're not going
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: to really know one way or the other what the
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: hell is going on here. The grieving father told Fox
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: News Digital, Harrington's mother and I are both convinced that
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Jordan Willis played a part in this somehow. We just
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: haven't figured out how yet. What else could it be?
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Perfectly healthy men don't just drop off the face of
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: the earth. That's a fact. And I think that anyone
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: who is looking at this story... is going to have
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of questions about how this happens. Grown-ass men
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: who are of sound mind and body don't go out
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: into the backyard and freeze to death. Not in Kansas City.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it was cold, no doubt about it. But
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: that cold, where you're just going to go out there,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: sit there, have a smoke, and freeze to death? I mean,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: we're not talking about Shackleton here. We're not talking about
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: being stuck on the Mount Everest summit. So what the hell?
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Jordan Willis is going to need a better explanation for
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: what went down Other than I was laying around with
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: my noise-canceling headphones on. Who the hell buys that? I mean,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: for two days, you don't know that your friends are
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: dead in the backyard, their cars are out front, the
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: whole entire thing? And then the parents over here, the
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: family members, hell yeah, they're going to have questions. You know,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: you would too. I always try to put myself, as
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: much as I possibly can, in the shoes of these
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: family members. And honestly, I don't know how some of
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: them get through the stuff that they get through. All
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: these crazy stories, all the media surrounding the death of
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: their loved one, this Jordan Willis dude not cooperating or
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: giving some kind of cockamamie bullshit story. Meanwhile, you haven't
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: even buried your loved one yet. There were four of
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: you in the house and now three of them are
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: dead and you're not. That doesn't add up. I'm thinking
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: that he, the three of them, learned something or saw
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  Speaker 1: something that they shouldn't have seen and he decided, well,
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  Speaker 1: I need to get rid of you now, friends or not.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: And just to reiterate, remember, that's a grieving family member
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  Speaker 1: that is saying this. That's a grieving family member who
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: is hurting and wants answers. And while I don't discount
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: what they have to say, I think that it's very
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: important for us to wait for the toxicology report to
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: come back. And then once that comes back, I think
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: we can go from there. But until that toxicology report
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: is revealed, I don't think there's anywhere near enough evidence
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: here to blame somebody one way or the other. Now,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, does it look good for Mr. Willis?
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: It does not. And whether he was involved in their deaths,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: either unwillingly or willingly, it's all going to be revealed.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: So all of it's going to eventually come out one
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: way or the other. But as of right now, I
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: think that we have to wait for the toxicology reports
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: to and for the results that they're going to reveal.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: But as a grieving family member? Oh, I completely understand
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: why the family members would feel the way that they feel,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: because I'd be saying the same shit. I'd be getting
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: on all these news programs and yelling like a wild man.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: He referenced the theory that the men's death were related
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: to drugs. Officials are still waiting on toxicology reports. Harrington Sr. said,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I'm aware that they may have done some substances that
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: were questionable, but the idea was to get high, not dead.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: If they were supposed to be friends, why didn't Willis
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: come find them? That's a great question. Look, the problem
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: with drug addicts, unfortunately, is if somebody ODs and dies.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: More times than not, the last thing they want to
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: do is have any sort of police involvement. When my
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: uncle OD'd and died, I've told this story before. the
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: dudes he was with, they left him in an elevator
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: to just die instead of calling the police or calling,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: you know, an ambulance or whatever. They just left him
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: to die. And that's because they didn't want to deal with,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: you know, the questions that come with somebody ODing. But
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: the reality is, if they would have called medical services,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: my uncle wouldn't have ODed and died. Now, we can
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: go around the bush all day about personal responsibility and
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you that you're right. If you're going
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: to do drugs, you're accepting the responsibility that something bad
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: might happen to you. But does that make it okay?
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Does that make it something we should just shrug our
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: shoulders about? Not in my opinion. These are people's loved ones, right?
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: These are friends and family members. And when something like
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: this happens, it leaves a hole in people's lives. And
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: even though your loved one was a drug addict and
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: they were living a risky lifestyle, it doesn't make it
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: any easier if they pass away. And I can tell
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: you that from personal experience, considering I've lost two uncles
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: and one aunt to drugs. I'm sure they have a
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: hundred different answers to that, but that's my question. And
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: he's not wrong. That would be my question too. Everybody's
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: here having a good time. They're partying, whatever. Nobody expects
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: something like this to happen. And if those three were ODing,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: why didn't their friend who wasn't ODing help them out?
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: And furthermore, if you're going to be a drug addict
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: or you're going to do drugs, you need to have
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: a test kit. You need to have Narcan. You need
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: to have all that stuff on hand, ready to go.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Harrington's mother, Jennifer Marquez, told Fox, Yes, I believe that
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: something happened that night and that Jordan had something to
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: do with it. We all believe that Jordan had something
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: to do with that. He sat in that house for
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: two days. He's had no drug test done on him.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: He's had no alcohol test. He's had nothing to see
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: how he might be included in this. They've given him
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: two weeks to get any evidence completely gone. Jordan Willis
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: has not been arrested and is not facing criminal charges.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: The mother claimed, according to Fox, Jordan's not telling the truth.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: When you tell the truth, your story is solid. It's
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: when you're lying that your story changes. And that's what's
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: been happening. I don't understand why the police don't see that.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: They probably do, but they don't have the evidence that
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: they need to make an arrest. Remember, it's not what
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: we know. It's what we can prove. The fifth man
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: who was present on the night stressed that it's absolutely
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: not true. that he was the last person to see
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: the three men. He is also now lawyered up, hiring
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: fierce criminal defense attorney Andrew Talgy. Now look, if somebody
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: gets an attorney and they're dealing with the authorities, that's
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: not an admission of guilt. That means that you know
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: the deal and you're trying not to get railroaded. So
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I don't ever look at somebody who lawyers up as
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: somebody who I should look at as guilty, right? Unless
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: the evidence is there. And so far, we don't have
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: any evidence one way or the other. A lot of suspicions,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: but not really any evidence. Talgy said his client arrived
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: at Willis's house at 7 p.m. and they were all
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: hanging out until midnight. The four other men were watching
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Jeopardy when he left. The lawyer also said on Tuesday,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: the day after, the fifth man texted Jordan Willis. He
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: sent this after Clayton McGeaney's fiance and from Ricky Johnson's
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: mother had got in touch asking about their loved ones.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: This contradicts what Willis's attorney, Picerno, said on multiple occasions.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: He said that his client had only received messages on
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Facebook Messenger, not text messages or calls. And that was
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: what we talked about yesterday. And the second you have
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: narrative changes, the second you have stories starting to change,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: you know that people are going to have a lot
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: of questions. And not just regular folks out there, but
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: we're talking about authorities, right? Investigators. You can't change your story.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: And if you do, well, you're opening yourself up to
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of inquisition. The Kansas City Police Department
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: has said that there is no evidence of criminal activity
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  Speaker 1: or a foul play at the scene. For two days,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: the families of the victims say they visited Willis' home,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: called him, and sent him Facebook messages asking where they were.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: but he did not respond. Eventually, the fiancée of one
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: of the men broke into the house through the basement
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: and found the first body in the backyard. She then
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: called police, who arrived to find Willis in his underwear
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: holding a wine glass. I mean, you can't find the
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: bodies of your friends, but you found a wine glass,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: and you're running around in your tighty-whities over here His
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: attorney maintains that he did nothing wrong and he's cooperated
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  Speaker 1: with the police. The medical examiner's office is yet to
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: reveal the cause of death or whether any of the
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: men had drugs in their system. And I think that's
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: where we're at, right? We have to wait until those
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: toxicology reports get back. And once they do, we'll know
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: a whole lot more. John Paterno said he has nothing
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: to hide. He went to the police station and spoke
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: with officers without a lawyer present. He allowed them to
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: search his home. These were his friends. He'd brought tickets
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: for them to go to the next Chiefs game. He
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: didn't want any harm to come to any of them.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: There was no ill will, attorney Bacerno told DailyMail.com. And
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I said this before, but there was no other home
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: games to buy tickets for. So what's he even talking about?
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Next season? He slammed internet sleuths and those assuming that
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: he is to blame, calling the speculation unfair. Willis insists
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: that he spent the next two days in his home,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: not thinking anything of the fact that his friend's cars
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: were still outside. and only learned that they died when
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: the fiancé of one of the men broke into the
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: house on January 9th in the hopes of finding him.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: He believes that after he waved the men off on
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: January 7th, they returned while he was asleep to hang
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: out in the living room. That doesn't make sense to me.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: We've talked about that before, and it doesn't make sense.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Grown-ass men, they don't just show back up at their
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: boy's house. Unless, of course, there's something going on. Were
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: they all partying? Were they all doing drugs? And did Mr.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Willis provide those drugs? These are all questions that have
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: to be answered. Maybe they didn't want to go to
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: a bar or hang out somewhere else, Attorney John Picerno
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: told DailyMail.com today, as the families of the three victims
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: demanded answers. He worked from home and his two dogs
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: were at his father's house, so he did not require walking.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Willis has now moved out of the property and deleted
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: all of his social media accounts amid a swell of
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: public interest in the man's deaths. Now, I can understand
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: getting rid of social media, but moving out of the house,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: that seems a bit suspect. His attorney says he did
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: not hear the victim's loved ones banging on his door
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: because he sleeps with headphones and a fan on. He
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: also claims he did not see their Facebook messages until
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: after the police showed up. Willis is an accomplished scientist
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: whose research into COVID and HIV has been praised in
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the medical world. In interviews, he described his two pit
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: bull mixes, Sadie and Daisy, as the light of his life.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: According to an interview that Willis gave to the International
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: AIDS Vaccine Initiative's website in 2022, he is the senior
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: principal scientist at the IAVI Neutralizing Antibody Center in Kansas City.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Willis said in an interview, that he conducts data analysis
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: and interpretation for the IAVI's HIV vaccine trials. He also
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: compared the search for an effective HIV vaccine to COVID-19
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: vaccine research. The Virginia native graduated with a Ph.D. in
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: chemical and physical biology from Vanderbilt University in 2014. He
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: previously studied chemistry and molecular biology at Northwest Missouri State University.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: In 2022, he received an award for his significant contributions
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: to HIV vaccine development. Now, does this sound like a
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: guy who's not going to realize he has some friends
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: out in the backyard who are dead? Come on, man.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I don't buy any of it. In the intro section
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: to his now-deleted Facebook page, Willis wrote, Walking the line
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: to be the funnest guy in the room and a
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: full-on mental breakdown. Well, on another social media platform, Willis
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: describes himself, saying self-proclaimed man about town. On January 9th,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Captain Jake Bikina of the Kansas City Police Department said
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: first and foremost, this case is 100% not being investigated
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: as a homicide. There have not been any arrests or
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: charges and no one's in custody. There are no specific
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: threats or concerns for the surrounding community at this time.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: The resident at the house was cooperative with detectives the
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: day that the deceased were discovered. Now, my speculation is
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the police know a whole lot more and they're just
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: keeping it close to the vest. And if there is
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: an investigation into foul play, they're just not saying it yet.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: But when the toxicology report drops and they have more
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: information to go on as far as, you know, solid evidence,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: I think we're going to see this morph into something else.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Either way, we're going to be here following along as
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: this crazy story evolves. And when we have more information,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: we'll get it added to the catalog. All the information
• 46:19
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